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Um, I don't have any. Dr. Oh, I'm sorry. We do have one. Hold on one second. Mrs. Lynch. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for this courtesy. Dr. Ben, please would you do me a favor and stand up by me? Please, what? Okay, this is for you for the board. I'll just be brief. Thank you for being our superintendent for the past 5 years. Your achievements during your tenure have been impressible to achieve fled and low accomplished. We on behalf of the board, the administrators, the teacher, everyone employed by Centennial, thank you and you will be missed. Thank you. Was I smiling? Wait, was I smiling? Oh, sorry. Yes, thank you. I just would uh because we have um the academic uh presentation the end of the year. I normally yield my time to help us save time to that. Yep. Okay. Mr. Greenwood, if you could have mercy on us, please. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Well, good evening everyone. And um I was looking at the slide deck. I think this is this encompasses 176 at the moment. So I'm hopeful that this will be the end of the uh the slide decks. Okay. Uh so most of this is repetitive. The budget hasn't changed much, but we'll just go through it. Um and at the end if we have any questions, we'll uh we'll fire through those as well. Um, as we've shared over and over again, right, that the budget's not just a bunch of numbers. I'm not just a number guy. Uh, I have feelings. Um, and and the budget is really a a a focus on our values, right? What we value and what we aspire uh of our students and of ourselves, right? That it's it's about that. It's about what we hold to be most important, right? as uh the professor uh Joseph Rutz said right it's it's putting students first all the time feedback from back in January when we started this process there was four takeaways that I had noted we've come back to these several times and I think we uh I think we've demonstrated and shown the improvements in the great work that is being done right which is really fant Fantastic. Uh the professor ruts will will dive into this at at a the next moment uh and share with us all of the detail and uh effort that is shown. But whether it's it's dibbles, whether it's I Ready, whether it's our work, using those tools have really been a huge benefit to the DI district and totally changed our uh our trae trajectory spec es especially excuse me when it comes to achievement which is also off the chart right our achievement this year is is 29.4% 4% better than it was at the at the coming out of the pandemic. Uh we didn't have a test in 2020 as you know 2021 the first of the PSSA uh tests 29.4% better uh across that's all grades reading and math. Um that's that equates to 500 students right 500 students have moved out of basic or below into advanced or proficient. I think that's really amazing work in such a short period of time. And almost equally amazing is we're pulling kids off of the bottom as well. Right? So the chart shows both, right? It shows uh the proficient and advanced in the blue down at the bottom. Our numbers of below basic are getting shorter and that's that's important for all of us. Really great stuff. And I couldn't help but uh taking uh Mr. Rutz is embracing growth, continuous improvement, and keeping the decisions in the best interest of our students. Identifying cost reductions that we could all live with. I think we were challenged with that again this year. Uh we'll need to find a way to more effectively do that. Uh the administration, the schools, uh as requested by the board pitched in. We looked at tightening up the budget. We looked at strategies around that. We pulled about $1.3 million out as you can see it identified there both at school level uh made by the principles and their teams and their teachers as well as the districtwide. And over the past four years, we shared this summary last time as well. Over $6 million has come from that same uh that same group, right? It's the same group, it's same departments. We're working at tightening our belts, but this will get increasingly more difficult, right? As we thin things out, there's only there's less and less room to go. So, it's just important to keep in mind. Um, and as I said, I think we need to find a way to work together in order to tackle the budgets of the future because it this process is only going to get harder as act one rates decrease, as Paser expenses increase, as federal government spending decreases or becomes flat. And the state, right, we're not really getting as much money uh as much new money certainly from the states as we have the past three years. Um and then there was a taking advantage of grant opportunities. I think we've shared that we have done that. Um Centennial has uh secured several PCCD grants are sort of listed there. Uh that we have been working for those grants are multi-year grants covering the 2023 I think through 2026 one mace uh inch into 2027. Um, but that's great work by our team. Um, and grants are sort of funny sometimes when you do a lot of good stuff, you're not able to get the grants, right? For safety, they look at, you know, hey, do you have locks on the door? We we got locks on we got cameras. We have all the technology we need. You don't, you know, you need to you need to wait until uh we get everybody to that level. Uh, so those grants are are difficult to come by, but we've been successful in obtaining them. Uh, and just a shout out to Mr. Mr. Gabriel, Miss Tomlinson, and Miss Platonova. Um, they they achieved what is in rare uh rare company, which is a 100% monitoring score. It is the perfect monitoring score. PCCD doesn't give them out. It doesn't happen. Um, and when I spoke to the director, he was said, "This is an incredible team you have. They're doing incredible work." And over the past 5 years, Mr. Gabriel has really driven that effort. It has been amazing. Uh when we got here, we had unfiled uh state uh grant reports. We had a lot of things that were open. Um we had a lot of uh a lot of ideas that were pointed out to us and he really tackled that and it was just awesome to see and I'm glad that he uh he got the 100. So hopefully that's hanging on his refrigerator door. Then on to uh on to the budget. I love the showcase. Sometimes I can't get enough of it. um things that we know, right? So, we'll start with the things that we know. Uh we h the structural deficit is going to remain. It's just a matter of how large the deficit is going to be. That's what you're going to ultimately uh decide uh tonight or Thursday. Um the act one index is going to continue to decline, right? uh we know that and that will limit doesn't uh it doesn't prevent but it limits the district's ability to raise revenue in the future. The district can seek exceptions to that. We certainly could um seek the special education exemption to go over the act one. That is uh something that uh central bucks just recently did this year. Um but we certainly have the expenses to warrant such an exception. Federal interest rates are going to come down. The FOMC met earlier last week uh and they're targeting two interest rate reductions in this calendar year. Um what is good for perhaps our bond refinancing isn't so good for our bond investments. Right? So that investment income that we have had uh the past several years. It has really bolstered our uh our budget as well as it's fueled our surplus because we as as a group and made smart decisions to not bank on a whole lot of money spending it. We were able to take that excess uh investment proceeds and put those into the debt service fund to fill up our savings account or piggy bank if you will. Uh Paser contributions are going to go up every year walking out, right? It's not as extreme as it was in the past, but it is going to go up. Based on on some quick math over the next four years over our planning window through uh 2030, that's going to average about 62% every month, every year as of an increase. And that's worth, you know, between $450 and $550,000 uh every year in added expenses. So that's almost a that's almost a half a act one point, right? So, as we look at things, sometimes it's important to sort of have that perspective. An act one point is worth $912,000 to us today. So, $500,000 goes off the top, right? The labor agreements that we signed and we put in place, those come off the top. So, you almost need to be taking money out and reducing those expenses as you go along. And as we indicated earlier, that is a challenge. We expect state funding to become to become more flat. Right? Over the past several years, starting with Governor Wolf and uh Governor Shapiro in the last two, our state funding has uh seen a great jump. Right? There was a lot of money pulled into state funding. There was a lot of formulary work that was done. We expect that to become flat. As we've shared, uh we are looking at $200,000 $25,000 increase over last year in both basic ed and special education. Um $200,000 doesn't even pay our Paser bill. Uh when you look at it that way, um but we are we are anticipating right now the uh state is funding uh directing funds to uh to the more impoverished districts. um which I'm not holding that against them, but that's that's where the money's going. So, it's sort of a redirection. Uh the state, as we talked about in January, they're no closer to getting their budget done. Um I was going to say, than we are, but I think we're much closer, I hope. Um and that's uh that there's a lot to be seen on how that uh final budget comes out. Federal funding is is is is much of an uncertainty. Um there's questions about how uh the closing of the Department of Education is going to play out, how funds are going to be distributed. Uh we looked at PASBO in the spring, talked about reductions to title funding uh and things like that that are part of our uh federal dollars, right? Federal dollars have historically been relatively flat. Um I think I was talking with Mr. Hartline last week and that number has been the same since, you know, 2010. uh with the exception of the ESRE funds that really juiced federal funding, it has been, you know, $2 million and we could take it to the bank. Um we have labor contracts that need to be supported and funded. Um we have inflation. One of the, you know, upticks, right, is inflation seems to be fairly controlled. I think the 5-year average, uh expectation is between 2.3 and 3.2. Uh the 3.2 two happening sooner, the 2.3 on the long end. And our aging buildings will begin to require ongoing maintenance. Right? We've gone through this with MBIT. MBIT deferred a lot of maintenance. It built up and built up and then all of the sending schools had to had to mail in a couple million dollars to get that work taken care of. I think it's important that we do that work when we can. We have pools at the middle schools that were sort of not not cared for and now they're inoperable, right? So, I think taking good care of your stuff, as my dad would tell me, right, allows it to last longer and you'll be happier with it, son. These challenges are are, you know, sort of been just restated. Uh so I'm not going to spend a lot of time here but there is opportunity on the government's on the state side with regard to uh the discussions around caps on cyber charter schools. Um depending on where that cap gets set that could save the district between $300 and $500,000. Um that's that's a a positive that is not included in the budget. Uh, and I I don't uh aside from believing something is going to happen, I'm not sure where that number is going to fall. Keep my fingers crossed. This chart just shows our history. So, uh, from 2014 school year through the 201920 school year just before the pandemic, uh, the district um put forth budget increases that exceeded the act one sort of year-over-year. Um, and since that point in time, we have, uh, lived under the act one, right? The act one is the state's uh, PTE's u target as to what is an acceptable increase. It represents labor wages collected across the state and across the country uh to be used to formulate that number. So it's not a pull it out of your hat kind of number. It's a scientific number uh to some extent with regard to schools because so much of our costs are labor. Uh and we've been living underneath that each of these years. I think when we look back that 23 24 year when we were flat 2.9 increase and a 2.9 increase and you can see that delta before between the act one at 410 and us at at 29 those those that kind of movement that kind of separation I think really began to hurt us because as we know and we've talked about the compounding impact of our uh tax increases and of the budget uh become uh become impacted by that you can see out to the right um the IFO forecast the independent fiscal office what they have forecasted out for the next 3 years I can just continue that trend into 29 uh 30 hopefully we're here and uh at that point and we are uh looking at at a much rosier picture this chart just is is perspective so centennial uh by millage rate we I showed this slide uh I think last week um and perhaps the week before uh but I didn't have the updated one so we went out scoured the books um this just shows where Centennial is on a millage rate basis so we are in the middle of 13 schools we are dead in the middle six have a higher millage rate six have a lower millage rate uh based on the descending order of proposed tax budgets uh you can see central bucks at 5.9 as indicated they went with a special education exception. Uh they are also introducing full day kindergarten and and have lived um as I was shared with me below the act one for a while and they're trying to recover from that themselves. Um and then on the far right what the what the tax increase is, what their median assessed value is, and what their median assessed uh tax bill would be, what their school tax would be, just for information. Again, we're sort of in the middle. Uh we're at seven. So, I guess that's pretty logical. I think it shifts a little bit when we look at the median home values, right? Cuz that impacts absolutely your tax bill. Uh so, on to the budget versions. This version with a couple of tweaks and some movement up and down is will be identical to what we reviewed um last week. The budget projects 151,90051,94,429 in revenue and 156,447,125 in expenses for a deficit of $4.5 million 4,542. Um the debt service fund is projected and we will get to that as we go through is uh projected to decrease 42 and a.5% from 15 million as it sits uh projected to sit at the end of this year uh to $8.8 million after reductions for capital improvements, debt service and offsetting this deficit um or whatever the deficit ultimately ends up being. Um, and it is interesting to know that, you know, what is that deficit worth? Um, it's worth almost a 5% tax increase. And again, sort of on the simple math, uh, if if an act one point is worth $900,000, five of them, five of them is going to be worth uh 4.5 million. So, I think as we look at the numbers, again, that's sort of how far away we are. And I think it really begins the need to to evaluate how we're doing things and how we can uh how we can better manage that. The 5-year picture projects deficits every year as we've mentioned um as uh expenses growth in expenses outpaces uh revenue. Uh so we sort of defined the definition of a structurally deficient budget. Um, and this assumes the full act one, as we have done year over year. As we look at our 5-year plan, we're assuming that we're going to have that full act one increase. Uh, although as the chart before showed, we we haven't been at that level. This chart looks at uh what it what it really means. So, if uh if the board approves a zero tax increase, um homeowners would see a credit, a net credit on their bill of $25 if they compared it to the last year based on the homestead. Uh those that uh applied and received the homestead, they would have a a decrease in their tax bill. The deficit would be 8.1 almost $ 8.2 million. um and our debt service fund would be uh 500 5,172. So we we'd take an enormous chunk out of our savings account. On the other end, uh if it was at 4% uh as we've shown here, the deficit's going to be $4.5 million and we're going to have a debt service fund at the end of 8.8 uh as previously shared. Any questions? That's sort of the focus on the budget. Does anyone have any questions? Now I can roll through. Yeah. I Yes. So that previous slide where you're showing the uh act ones and the deficits. So going to the full act one, we're still at a $4.5 million budget deficit. Correct. Which means that if we go any lower than act one, that budget deficit becomes bigger, which means we have to take more money from other accounts. Yes. To fill that hole. If we do that, what does that do to our bond rating? And if it does affect the bond rating, what does that mean for short and long-term new bonds, refinancing, things like that? No, thank you for that, Mr. Ghart, and appreciated your message earlier today. Um that is certainly uh you know the deficit spending will will not look kindly uh on our uh on our credit rating rating which could impact our um our bonds. Right. So we have two refinancings that are coming up as we've talked about. We have on the agenda today um with uh our 2017 series of bonds and our 2018 series in February. We're looking to refinance those uh collectively. We think we're going to be able to save uh another million dollar to add to the $4 million we saved uh last fall. Those the the deficit certainly could look poorly on our uh on our record, if you will. Uh and it could impact our uh our credit rating. I think we've had a fairly consistent credit rating. Uh but I it certainly is not not the positive. So, uh thank you for that. And I think that's uh another one of those what we know right a decline in our in our deficit continued deficits will impact that on the long term which will uh cause our uh our debt as we need to finance it to grow. I have one more follow you just stated what I was going to state too. It's not just this year but they're going to see those red marks right going consistently. And if you remember at one of the meetings, I made the point uh and I talked to Tom uh outside that because of what you're seeing and this issue, the sooner you get to refinancing, the better uh because it's going to have uh it it may cost you money. So, our fiscal structurally deficient budget for the average person sitting out there is going to impact what we would call your individual credit score. And you know the your credit score is what they determine your interest rate. So for the lay person, our bond rating is our credit score, which ultimately it eats away at how much we save when we're trying to do the refinancing. So I have a followup regarding that. So, I'm assuming that there's probably a tradeoff between saving money now with a lower tax increase, but paying for it down the road and higher bond rate or not being able to refinance. Well, as opposed to dealing with a high the full act one now, but saving money down the road. So, do you have any I know I might be asking what you can't answer, but is there do you have a sense of where that tradeoff might be? Uh, I I don't. Right. So the the credit rating, a lot of things go into that, right? And and the impact of that, right? We had a great uh bond offering uh last fall, right? We had we had great interest in in the bonds. It really drove a good return. Um it was really a fabulous outcome. Um you know, to be able to keep doing that, we'll have to we'll have to see. It certainly doesn't look good on us. Does it does it hit us uh with this next with our refinancing coming up? I don't know. Does it impact the ne the year after that it, you know, or in February when we plan to do our next refinance? I'm not sure. But it will certainly impact us as we go out, right? As we continue to utilize our savings to fund operations um and not use that towards capital improvements or things like that into the future, we will see that the capital budget will diminish, right? and we'll be here like when we when we started when I started here and we had $300,000 in the capital account and we had to refinance, right? We had we would had to refinance to fix an air conditioner, right? We lose an air conditioner, we'd be issuing bonds, we'd be increasing our debt. So, there is a balance uh to answer your question, which I think is understandable, right? If we take our like like you know like our homes, right? If I use my savings to do to to you know to do the regular stuff, right? take an extra vacation to do this and that when my house needs fixing, right? And then I'm borrowing money. I'm going to get get a credit line. I'm going to do this or that and borrow money to get those fixed as opposed to having the funds in the bank uh ready to take care of those uh those needs. So that that is the the reality of it, right? As we continue to use uh the funds that are in that piggy bank, right? In that debt service fund, our savings account that drops, right? If it goes from 13, whatever the number was to 8.8, eight, right? You could maybe do that two more years and then the money's all gone, right? And then you're really sort of stuck. And that's where I think financing will become more difficult. That's when the operations will become more difficult. Uh and at some point, you know, as we look at these and and not to not not to be accused of being a a car salesman, uh but as we look at these rates, right, the difference between a a a 4% increase and a 3.7 5% increase is $11 to the to the uh median home, right? So that means less for some people, a little more for some people, but it's $11 to the annual tax bill, right? What that that we'd say doesn't mean a lot, but to the district that means $230,000, right? It's it's $11 from everybody, uh, if you will. Uh, and $230,000 is somewhat meaningful, right? That's a quarter of a percent, right? That is a teacher and a half, right? And I think as we look at things uh like that, right, those are potentially the lens you want to view them from. So anything that's short to four is going to increase our deficit. It's going to reduce our savings and it could have long-term impact because of the compounding effect. Does that answer everything? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? Mrs. much. Uh, first of all, I want to thank you for taking the time today to go over a lot of these items that are in the budget. I got off the phone with you and I had this question and I thought, should I call him back and I said to myself, I've taken enough of his time, so I'll ask you now. Um, I'm asking you because I don't understand it. And if I don't understand it, then I'm at fault. So, here's the question. Last year, we had 2.6 million. Yep. That we were in the hole for. Yes. And I don't mean to put you on the spot cuz you're very, very kind to me today. So, we're now saying the 2.6 6 million that we're getting for the IU because they changed their building is taken care of last year. That's a fact, right? Yep. So, but we don't have a 2.6 million and 2.6 million is an estimate. So I asked you if you took it out of the fund and you said no, we didn't need to. That's where I had the question that I don't understand. You didn't take it out of the fund and we don't need to based on getting the money from your verbage maybe in September of this year of an estimate of 2.6 6 million exactly what the deficit was. Where you getting this 2.6 million to balance 25? Okay. Is it just on paper? Um, no. It it is it is, you know, it is coming out of our general fund account, right? So, in in total, right, we have a general fund uh balance, right? As as this chart shows. So there is money in our account if you will right it's not our savings account it's sort of our checking account uh for lack of a a better analogy right so we have money in the bank right we had anticipated at this point last year when we did the budget that our shortfall was going to be $2.7 million and that at the end of the year we would transfer that $2.7 million over from our uh debt service account to the general fund. Right? That was the plan if you will in February when we got our mid uh midyear uh reconciliation from the IU and as we have been following regularly certainly in the finance committee and in our week uh on our board meeting updates right we've had less students enrolled at the IU than our budget anticipated. So we have a credit coming back from the IU. So this try this chart tries to show that right. So the box that's circled that $2.7 million is is we was what we were going to transfer right over. Right? That's that's sort of then being moved over as a part of our $4.5 million. Right? So we haven't touched it and we won't need to uh because while it is a it's a couple of months we're not dead on. So, we are expecting, we don't have it today, but we are expecting $2.7 million from the IU. It will be recorded and accounted for in the school year ending June 30th, 2025. Right? It'll be accounted for. And that's the change in the IU. They used to roll those numbers into future contracts. Uh they are now recognizing them right away. This it's a good thing for us because right away we need it right away. So, we're happy about that. Um, but it also could go either way. If if you were short, they're going to come and collect the money anyway. So, we need to keep continuing as we've done certainly the last couple of years, maintain that active forecasting model, right? So, sometimes people budget budget to budget. We try to budget uh at Centennial from the current forecast to the budget, which is sort of a a clearer and more realistic picture. Okay. So, just to make it extremely simple. Mhm. Did you transfer the money from the general fund? I did not transfer the money from the debt service fund to the general fund because I didn't need to. Right. I have I have a 10 million I have $12 million in uh in my uh general fund. So that that 2.7, right, could shrink that, right? So I could go down to $8 million in my general fund in my checking account. uh not not have that loss. When you receive the money, are you putting it back? I'm not. No, because it's going to stay in the general fund because I I'm not moving it out, right? So that that difference, right, that money I'm getting offsets the expected loss I was anticipating. That's the We really just used one fund to balance another fund. Um I'm using one credit to balance our uh our proceed our forecasted deficit. Right. We did pay the IU. They are just returning the funds that we overpaid them based on our contract and based on having less students at the IU. So, and not to drill you. No, we're just doing things a little bit differently in a way. Or maybe that's the way that you know the accounting procedures are with school districts. I don't know. But we physically did not receive the money. We're just using other vehicles to balance it out. Yeah, we are sort of How about we are using our balance in our checking account until we get the money, right? So, it's like your tax return, right? So, I file my tax return. I'm going to get, you know, $1,000 back, right? I'm out the $1,000 today, but when I get it, I'm back to even. That's sort of the the perhaps an analogy that's useful. We we are going to be out the 2.7 until they mail it to us back, but we have a balance of $10 million in our general fund account, right? Which is the, you know, PTE suggests that number should be in the 8% range, right? Because that could take care of if if there was a problem if the government if the state budget didn't get approved and we had to then dig in, that could that's where that money would come from. Okay. So, it's a different account. uh to your point and as we discussed earlier this morning um and it's you know ironic the numbers came in so close to each other. It is an estimate. It's what we have estimated working with the special ed team as to what we think we're going to get back that $2.7 million. U but uh we're comfortable with that number. It may be a little higher, it may be a little lower. If it's higher then we will take that difference and put that in our savings account as well. And I appreciate everything you're telling me. The bottom line is we had a $2.6 million deficit last year. Yep. That's all I wanted to know. I'm sorry I took so much of your time. But um but we had that and we had that deficit because you know in in theory, right, we had $2.7 million more in our expenses in that contract. Right. Then we all I was trying to get was we did have 22 2 million.67 last year. That that was it and you you very well very patiently helped me reach that conclusion. I thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? Okay. So, just looking at the at quickly the capital fund uh the other three funds that we will seek approval for. uh the capital fund which is uh as self-described right it's used for all our projects whether it's uh parking lot paving whether it is bus refer uh refresh whether it's classrooms the data center technology uh athletic fields all of those things HVAC units uh it's all found in our uh capital fund fund 32 our debt service fund which is the fund 40 that is as we've been calling it uh our uh district savings account, right? And we do move money out of savings to fund the capital account. We could use money out of savings to fund the general fund. Uh and those are those are the movements that are taking place. And food service is our standalone proprietary fund which manage our which manages our cafeteria operations. This picture just shows our tennis courts. Um actually this was weeks a month year ago probably I think it was last year. Uh you can see the kids on the far end of the picture on the left. They were downplaying on the two courts that didn't have big cracks in them uh but were using them. Uh Mr. Wartman uh joined. He had uh them resurface and really did an exceptional job. We have been patching the cracks as they have formed over the years. Uh you can see the sliver in the middle cracks sort of became larger and more difficult to do that. So he reached out, did a lot of homework, uh came back with a proposal to the operations committee which they uh they took and they have completely redone that they've grinded it down. They have filled the holes. They've painted it nine times I think uh and really worked that ceiling and I think it looks beautiful. Uh and I'm excited for uh the students who have been limited to the courts that they play on to actually have all the courts now available to them as well as the community. Right. The tennis courts are a community asset uh and are there once we uh once the paint dries I think and once the nets get put on uh for our en uh collective enjoyment. This shows uh our capital projects uh identified uh down the left side that we are looking to tackle in the 2526 school year. Uh as is always the case, this is sort of just a snapshot. It's not it's not a given. It's not scientific. There are estimates that we've put in. Uh you can see the FCS classrooms. I think they've been in our capital plan for the last two years unfortunately. Uh we are sort of committing ourselves to them. So that's one thing on here I'd really like to make sure we get done. Um uh those classrooms in at both Clinger and Log. Uh but then the list goes down, right? We talked about every year bus refresh uh compending about $500,000 $650,000 if we look at all vehicles to make sure that we continue uh to be able to keep those buses in good shape. The average age is nowadays it's close to just over 10 years. So we have buses on the far end of that and we have buses that are brand new uh on that 10-year average. as well as technology. You can see across the bottom uh what we have expensed in capital uh over the past several years. Uh when we were in COVID, we sort of pushed because we weren't sure what the world was going to end. We really didn't do any any capital projects. I remember with Mr. um Whartonby going wild saying, "Hey, I'm not doing anything." Um but as we've seen, right, we spent $2 million in the last school year. Uh we anticipate spending uh 2 million just over $2 million in this current school year and this budget calls for 3.6 um in 206. This just shows the long-term Yes. I I think it's important for you, you mentioned it, but I I think the public really needs to be aware and remind the board of the statement he made about because when I fell out of my chair, too, when I got here and he shared that we only had $300,000. Well, $300,000 in capital is basically an air conditioning unit on a roof and that's it. After that, we're done. And one of the things that helped us a lot was redirecting better than anticipated interest that came in and that allowed us to do a lot of things uh that is now long no longer going to be there. So had we not had those additional funds we'd still be in a significant challenge with our capital improvement. I remember my first visit to log and you all I say it because you had the benefit and some people said, "Oh, wow. This is nice." I didn't realize it was this nice in Log. Well, when I first got here, I remember walking around with Mr. uh Goldier and saying, he told me, "Don't sit there." And I go sit somewhere, don't sit there either. And I look at him says, "Well, where am I supposed to sit?" He said, "Anywhere where you won't get a splinter, you won't fall out of the chair." And you know, I would say, "Mr. Heartland, you probably know what I'm talking about because you've been around long enough how bad it was. Well, and I remember too though that we had done I mean there were some significant expenditures made for the middle schools out of the capital fund there for several years. You know, they did a a significant amount of work. We did a lot of the Esser's work redoing the lighting. I mean there was a lot of work that was done that depleted the capital fund as well, you know. So the money was being spent on on capital projects at the middle. warm, safe, dry mandate, right? Catch up with the benefit of revenue from higher than anticipated interest gains. And the challenge going forward is how do you maintain meeting those needs when that fund won't be there uh to to do that. So I think that's a complement to the decisions that were made and how to redirect that money. But it also needs to be an alarm and alert to pay attention that that's going to be a challenge going forward. I think that that investment in those auditoriums, I think they get used regularly by the students that are there. Um, and I think they look beautiful, right? If if you hadn't seen them, I remember going to bringing my wife to my first middle school uh play and sitting in the wooden seats and I'm like, "Wow." And I had seen the plans and the designs uh for what it was going to look like and and they are outstanding. Should have uh had included some of those select, but that is a a good thing, right? I think that students are proud to be in there, right? They take uh pride in what their schools look like. It's like athletic fields and the other things, right? Those all help. Uh we've done a lot of stuff around that. We've done stuff on the softball fields. We've done stuff on the baseball fields. We've replaced back stops. We've replaced the turf on the field or track, right? Because that's that's what it's about. You know, schools now, if you you'll notice, uh they put all of those things out on the road now, right? So, the new architectural design mapping isn't that your stadium is behind your building. your stadium is next to the road, right? So that everyone can see it because parents love that kind of stuff, right? They said, "I got that, right? I I live uh in in McGomery County. I drip drive past Springfield High School every day. There are lacrosse fields there. There are football fields there. It's all right on the road. I drive past Happer Horsam's Middle School. They're putting their fields on the road. That's not going to be behind the building, right? It's going to be on the road uh for people to look at and say, "Hey, this is great, right? It's it's good for the community. It's good for my property values. It's good for our kids. Uh so those things are all going to be happening. This chart just shows the five-year uh plan. So thank you very much for that, Dr. Ben. Uh this just shows our capital fund going out 5 years, right? So we're transferring in every year money from the debt service fund to sort of fuel um that. We anticipate that running out in the 2829 and at that point we'll be sort of where we were 5 years ago, 6 years ago. uh and we'll be looking to to either finance or issue bonds in order to continue to fund uh our maintenance projects and that's not a very long window uh if we think about it right it's really 3 years um unfortunately we've been working on that FCS classroom so if we don't get it done in 3 years we're going to come looking for you all right um so I think that's that's as we look at that right any questions on the debt service or on the capital fund this just looks at um um Mr. Wartman's five-year plan as we've moved things out. Again, these are placeholders. They're identified. Sorry for the small writing. Um Miss Roo warned me this morning about it. I just couldn't get them any larger and get all the numbers on there. Um looking at our debt service fund, this shows transferring f funds from the debt service to the general fund to offset death the deficit as well as debt service uh and the capital fund. You can see that that totals uh that $6.7 million budgeted. This shows sort of the five-year projection. The proposed activity for uh 2526 is that $6.7 million coming out. Money going into the debt service fund or into the capital fund, excuse me. Uh our refinancing contribution from the de uh debt service fund uh as well as the deficit reduction. Right? So we sort of have that highlighted because that seems to be the number most in play. Um and this assumes as the red box says that we fix the deficit next year. Right? So, we're not drawing down on it any faster. If that's not the case, um we'll continue to draw money here and the fund will run out just that much sooner. Um and this is our food service fund. Um uh Lori Denny and her team do an absolutely incredible job, right? uh those who have children in the school. Uh from smoothies to uh sandwich bars to Mexican food to Chinese food, it is really just an incredible uh incredible effort that that they put in and the caring and uh the ef uh the real sincerity of their efforts uh is shown. Um, for the third year in a row, the district isn't intending to raise our uh price for uh school lunch, which is wonderful. Um, and we will uh we'll continue moving that through. So, that is the budget um for uh for the food service fund fund 50. And I think that's does it. Any questions? All right. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Greenwood. Just a quick question for you. Just a quick question. So, and and I know it's possible and I'm sure other districts do it. I would love to see us have a five-year plan and actually stick to it. Y and I know we've been under the act one, but we need to come up with some We're going to have the same issue every year if we don't get our get our act together. Yep. That is true. We need a 5-year plan that shows this is going to be the act one regardless of whether it's over or not. We have to get get our financials correct. Right. Yeah. And that I mean we we pushed a 5-year plan. Not a lot of schools show 5-year plans. Um you know Dr. Ben's urgency or demand I think it may have been. He said we're going to have a 5-year plan so let's see it. Um it does include that act one number. Right. So those are all we've always shown it that way. We've never been at the act one. Um, and if I look back historically, right, our five-year plans haven't been too far off, right? They've forecasted deficits uh as anticipated. Um, you know, we've had we've had, you know, new expenses come on uh that have been uh that we need to take into account. But you're absolutely right, Miss Crossing, right? As we look at that 5-year window, it's not a pretty picture, right? And uh and our future budgets um that's another thing we know aren't going to get easier, right? the process doesn't get easier. Uh it doesn't get easier by you know by something less than the act one. Um it will be challenging, right? As all other revenue streams tail off, right, the ability for the school district uh to continue to uh to fund operations, to fund agreements uh will become ever more challenging. But I absolutely agree, we need to figure that out, whether that's structure, whether that's operational. Um we and you know, we certainly need to do that together. And whether it's a three or 5year plan, we need something in place to guarantee that we're funded. Yes. Thank and thank you for this presentation. It was wonderful. Okay. Um public comments by residents on agenda items. We don't have any agenda item um public comments, but we do have one. So yeah, we do have one comment that's not on an agenda item. So our options are to adjust the agenda to add public comment at the end or to just let that person speak now and adjust the public comment section on agenda items. Let them speak now. Everybody okay with doing it now? I would say let them do it now. Let them do it now. Yeah, it's fine. I make a motion that we um allow comments on non-aggenda items under item 1.7. Second. Any questions? All in favor? I I opposed. Extensions carries. 8 Z. Okay. Um Tina Leeb, if you could please state the street you live on. You don't have to say the number, but the street you live on and which township. You have three minutes and let's try to be respectful. Sure. So, my name is Tina Gay Lee. I live on Joseph Avenue. So, I just wanted to address um Mr. Martin's display of mudslinging during the last meeting held on Tuesday, June 10th, where he read an email that each board member received from the board at Central Bucks. This was regard regarding some statement that Mrs. Mary Alice Broncado was quoted in the media. But what I witnessed after the meeting in the parking lot was even more disturbing. Mrs. Broncado walked up to his vehicle asking if she could talk with him. He angrily blurted out some profanity and recklessly pulled out of his parking spot. Luckily, no one got hurt. I'm very disappointed Mr. Martin, who spent the last four decades always doing right by the people, but now seems more interested in punishing or attacking someone he dislikes because he was not chosen to be president. For the past few years, I have either sat here in these meetings or watched online to witness sarcasm and sneers from the administration sitting off to the side or more recently people filling this room outside of our community enabling parents with children in the district to come voice their opinions. Many of us in the community are watching. We see your hurtful words and lies on social and about other members in this room. It's the same for board members who would rather score political points than do what is best for the children. So I want to share what I have also witnessed when scrolling through Facebook and coming across posts in one of the community groups from anonymous person asking for help such as shelter or a job or something other than that. Time and time again I see Mrs. Broncado commenting to message her privately. She always shows up to school functions and she's always willing to help. Two weeks ago when I attended Embid's executive meeting, I again witnessed Mrs. Broncado's passion for the students. Students from one of the programs showed up respectively, asking the board to reconsider um firing their beloved teacher. Each student spoke and shared how that teacher was there for them in their time of need. Mrs. Broncado with tears immediately spoke up and letting them know that she heard them and that she sees them. Mr. Ginhart also was there and spoke up and shared how impressed he was with these students. No other board members spoke up. One young man in particular who seemed troubled also spoke about how his teacher was there for him when he was in a very dark place. He left the room before the rest of us was dismissed and I saw Mr. Broncado missed jumping out of her seat after him, but instead she whispered to someone asking them to come out and talk to the students and see if they knew him and if he was okay. This is why I and so many others see from Mrs. Broncado. She is a pillar in our community. Frankly, we think it's disgusting how she's been treated over the years. I would like to remind you all that you are stewards of our schools. You do this job for a short time. I'm sorry your 3 minutes is up, but thank you. Okay, so just so you know what, you know, the things I do in my private life have nothing to do with schoolboard. Um, they just don't and you know, I live here just like everybody else and that's just that's has nothing to do with what goes on in this room. But thank you. Thank you for your comment. Thank you. Um, if we could move on. Okay, moving on to item two, approval of the agenda. Be it resolved that the Centennial School District Board of School Directors 2.1 approves the June 24, 2025 committee of the whole agenda as per the attached. Are there any corrections that need to be made that are allowed by PA law? Second. Any corrections or any comments? All those in favor? I opposed. Abstain carries. 8 Z. Moving on to new business. We have a whole bunch of stock. Does anybody want anything pulled? Um, 3.2. Yes. 3.2. Who can see that coming? If we could I I don't know. I don't know if Mrs. Lynch has questions. I would just like us um to do a roll call vote on 3.2, please. Uh assuming that 33 and 34 are related to what happens in 32, should we also pull those just for separate votes? Yeah, you you will need to because if whatever happens to 3.2 the rest of the Yeah. So we should hold off on those and pull those separately till we know if we get through 32. Anything else? Okay. So, we're doing 31 and then 3.5 through 3.19. It's a lot of reading. Deep breath. That's why I have two bottles of water. Um, we good there. All right. Be it resolved that the Centennial School District Board of School Directors 3.1 approves the personnel agenda including rescending rescended job offer, resignation, authorization to employee, leaves of absence, end of assignment, change of status and co-curriculars, clubs and activities as per the attached 3.5 approves the renewal of the memorandum of understanding between the district and river crossing YMC. CA, formerly known as YMCA of Bucks and Hunter counties, for the continuation of the partner well live well collaborative program for the 2024 2025 school year, no cost to the district. 3.6 Six approves the service agreement with the Bucks County Intermediate Unit for Pennsylvania Information Management System PIMS support services on a part-time as needed basis from July 1, 2025 through June 30, 2026. District cost is $60.71 per hour. 3.7 approves the renewal 2025 ESY extended school year tuition contract with New Hope Academy for student 4-8 to attend ESY services during the summer 2025 at a tuition cost of $6,000. 3.8 8 approves the 2025 ESY general correction renewal contract with PA school for the deaf for two students. The tuition cost of $7,660 with PCA fees of $4,416.80 equals $12,2340 per student. 3.9 approves the 2025 2026 educational services agreement with the springtime school for student 7-9. The total tuition and services are projected to equal 154,95269 3.10 approves the 2025 2026 educational services agreement with the springtime school for student 9-10. The total tuition and services are projected to equal $11,3952. 3.11 approves the 2025 2026 educational services agreement with the springtime school for student 9-17. The total tuition and services are projected to equal $19,829.17. 3.12 approves the renewal Martin Luther school extended school year contract for one student from June 30 to August 1, 2025. ESY tuition is $6,710 per student plus any related services as required by the IEP. 3.13 approves the agreement for student 13-9 providing tuition to the Quaker school in lie of and in full satisfaction of the provision of a free appropriate public education FAPE FAPE tuition is estimated to be 61355 for the 2025 2026 school year 3.14 approves the 2025 5 2026 renewal agreement for services therapy between therapy s let me try that again approves the 2025 2026 renewal agreement for services between therapy source and centennial school district for psychological services as per the attached 3.15 award special education and student affairs related services RFP 2025-15 to Austin's Rehabilitation Services as per the attached 3.16 approve the renewal of the appointment of Colleen Rouge as board secretary for a 4-year term effective July 1, 2025 through June 30, 2029 as per the attached 3.17 appoints Thomas Greenwood as board treasurer for the 2025 2026 school year with no additional compensation. ation. This action is required annually by section 404 of the public school code as per the attached 3.18 approves a professional services contract with Linda Finelli to provide part-time support to the business office through June 30, 2026. District cost not to exceed $39,312. 3.19 awards a health services contract to Dr. Devish Patel for the 2025 2026 school year beginning July 1, 2025. District cost not to exceed $2,000. Second one second. Um he needs to get a um motion to accept and then I'll tell you what needs to be fixed. All right. I'll second. I'll second. uh you we need to uh make a correction if you notice on 3.5 the year should be 2025 and 2026. Oh, right there. Catch it. So, um obviously I can only point it out. Someone needs to make a motion to correct that year and then second it and then you vote to approve it and then you can go back to the normal agenda process. I'll make a motion to correct the years in 3.5. I will second it. All those in favor I opposed. Abstensions carries. Thank you. So now we're back to approving the whole approving the whole thing. And please nobody asked for it to be reread. One more time. Just one more time. So all those in favor? I opposed abstensions carries 8. you um do have as in the past uh the assistant principal that was appointed in the personnel agenda for the high school here. Uh Mr. Carak Kappa if you could Dr. Caracappa excuse me uh introduce her to the board so they can see a face with a name. Some of you met her in the parking lot of course. Thank you Dr. Ben. It's my pleasure to introduce Kylen Wood as the candidate we're putting forward for our ninth grade house principal. coming. Thank you. It's very nice to meet everybody, especially in the parking lot. I'm excited for this opportunity and I look forward to the school year. Thank you for having Thank you. Welcome aboard. Yep. Okay, now the fun begins. Be it resolved that the Centennial School District Board of School Directors 3.2 two adopts the final budget of the school district for the 2025 2026 fiscal year on form PDE 2028 with a tax increase of 4% as the final budget for the school district general fund in the amount of $156,447,125 in expenses and with revenue of 151,94,42 29 authorizes the 2025 2026 annual tax lever resolution, real estate tax installment payment plan, and the homestead farmstead exclusion resolution as per the attached. I get a second. Any discussion? Okay, moving on to a roll call vote. So, wish me a roll call vote on 3.2, two, please. Mrs. Lynch. Thank you. Absolutely. No, we are continuing deficit spending for two years now. Thank you, Mrs. Branado. No, Mr. Ginhardt. Yes. Mrs. Crossen. No. Mr. Hartline. Yes. Dr. Maguire. No. Mr. Saddowski. No. And Mr. Martin? No. Motion fails. We have eight. So 62. So, we can't do 3.3 or 3.4 because they need to be Mr. um I think that uh it's a Are we moving remind me are we moving any money from the general fund to the capital fund at all? Uh yes. So, effectively, if we're moving something from the general fund to the capital fund, not having that approved, you don't have money to move. Right. Right. No. So, I think 3.2 has to wait. um for that, right? 3.4 does not, right? 3.4 is is a regular resolution to close the book. So, so he can delay that or you can approve that. So, you can do 3.4 and then either keep moving after that or have a discussion about 3.2 and 3.3, but I would go ahead and do 3.4. Can I can I ask before we move on if there is a percentage that majority of folks would be comfortable voting for for the budget or do we want to wait to talk about that two nights from now? I I start the discussion now. I think I've said in the past and I'm still at the place where I I don't see how we can go below the act one even though I just voted no. But because we haven't had any substantial discussions about ways that we might try to save those costs, when we brought up the idea of, you know, this more serious measures, though they're only a one-time thing, like redistricting, like the classroom sizes earlier this year, we didn't have a majority of folks who were even willing to consider those. So, we just kind of sat on it until now. And do we do we have the appetite to talk about things we might want to look at so that we can minimize how much we're going to try to take out of our savings account for the future or do we just want to like steamroll through and try to push whatever number we can get through and pretend it's not a problem this year and then deal with it next year because it's irresponsible either way. And I I would love to have an idea of like what everybody has the appetite to even talk about. And if it's not going to happen, it's not going to happen. But, you know, we might as well say it now. I I I agree 100%, Mr. Sidowski. We need a structured three or fiveyear plan that we follow. We can't keep winging it every year and hoping for the best or taking out of our savings. It just can't be done. We need a structured plan. Isn't that what we've been presented with though? Every year when we have a budget presented, that's a structured plan and we we it's been projected out what four or five years. So, it always it's not a structured plan. Every time we come across anything to bring bring our costs down, every all the board votes no or however they want to do, which is their option. But then when it comes to vote for the budget, if you're going to vote yes to certain things, like I understand we have great teachers, we vote yes for the teachers contract. If you vote yes for contracts and yes for all the stuff we need, especially security, we need all that stuff. Then you need to vote yes to fund it. And that's the problem we have on this board. We all want to vote yes to have all the good things that we need and all the security that we need and the to fund our teachers who are fantastic. And then we vote no for a budget to fund that. But didn't you just vote no? I did. We need a structured three-year plan. I voted no. Did you vote no? I did. But it sounds like you're saying that that we don't have it's up to all of us. Well, I I think Mr. Greenwood has put a good plan in place, etc. It's just that it and he gives you up to how many up to 28 29 or whatever it is. But I think that we need to look at numbers. What would the board agree upon if we're not going to agree upon what 4%? What is I feel like this is deja vu again from last year. What percentage would you be okay with? So, we have to move forward. We have till what? We have June 30th, Mr. Greenwood. So, we will be here on Thursday night. Some of us will, right? No. Only [Music] Why would Why do we have to be here on Thursday night when we can discuss it right now? Well, if it doesn't if it doesn't pass tonight, we'll be here on Thursday night. Okay. So, let's see what people's thoughts are. Patty, what what is your desire or thought of uh percentage rate? I don't have one. I don't have one in mind. I have a In my mind, it has to be something that the whole board agrees on. It has to be something we can't have the same people every year voting zero. We can't. Okay. We all have to be part of this. We all have to take the hit for the increase. No one wants to give a tax increase. We do it every year. Unfortunately, nobody wants to do it. So, what would you be agreeable with? You're not saying I don't know. I don't have that number. Tony, what is your thoughts? I'm still at a at the act one right now, but what I don't know is that if anybody seriously would consider any of the the larger costsaving mechanisms that we talked about earlier this year. I don't know that we do have an interest in that. Um, we don't have a lot of time to talk through it as a board at this point, but we've been distracted by other things over the past few months as you all know. So, we haven't really been this hasn't been top of mind. Mr. Martin, any suggestions, thoughts? My thought is that the leadership of the board has managed to get five votes to not renew Dr. Bon, get five votes to hire Dr. Luck and can't seem to get five votes to pass a budget to do it or not. I mean, I I just keep coming back to the deficit gets bigger. If if we don't like Nobody wants to go to the full act one, but if the the deficit gets bigger, we're at a place where we are going to have a hard time just operating the district and then the deficit gets bigger, we take more money out of the other accounts, which hurts us down the road with the bond rating. I mean, Mr. Mr. Greenwood, I mean, is there any realistic number we could drop this to and still operate the district efficiently and effectively and still provide the education for the students we need to do? I think as we've shared over and over again, right, you know, not going to the act one is going to continue to make uh continue to expand our deficit, right? It's not doing anything to reduce the deficit. So that is that is up to the board, right? We show you what the math is. Uh but it's up to the board uh to approve that. Um as we shared, we certain we haven't been at the act one. We've been below it by a whole point. We've been below it by a half a point. Uh and and each one of those aids, as we talked about, as I shared moments ago, uh in in where we sit today. So, if we're not going to make the decisions that that fix it today, we are we are kicking the proverbial can off to pull out my bus slide uh with a can down the road. And go ahead, Mr. Lynch. Thank you. How are we going to clean up the mess we made? I don't know, but we sure did make a mess. We are in deficit spending two years in a row and now you're asking us wherever you went Mr. Greenwood and it's not your fault to approve the index. Mrs. Lynch, you have to talk into the microphone. I don't think it's coming through. Is it coming through? Yes. Okay. Thank you. This is insane. You just don't keep using your savings account to bail yourself out. So, we did it last year. Took a while to finally get to the emission that it was 2.6 million. It's over 4 million now. Almost five. And we keep doing this. So, you can say to me, well, what percent do you think? Whatever percent I think is going to be an increase to everybody, every taxpayer, it's not going to adjust the amount of debt we're in. We're just placating it for another year. I must say also, other school districts are facing some of this. Maybe not as much as we are, but down the road, as Mr. Greenwood told very eloquently, "Funding is going to be cut from the House, from from Pennsylvania, from the government, different programs. We're going to have to make them up." Now, here we are right now, uh, where we have a large deficit, almost 7 million in two years. What percentage? That's a really interesting question. What relief do we have for the debt? So, if someone can tell me what relief we have for the debt, that could play into what percentage, but I haven't heard that yet. Thank you. Well, we did poll three people. Does everyone want to give their thoughts on the budget? It was myself, Charlie, and Tony that got pulled. Does everyone want to give their thoughts? I I recognize the fact we need to raise it as much as possible. There are things that are out of our control that are causing our budget to go up. Special education expenses, even though we are receiving a credit back from the IU, we just approved $450,000 in off-site special education services. Our special education went up 8 to 10%. 3 to four times what inflation is. Our benefits went up 8 to 12%. Again, three to four times what inflation is. And that's on top of the fact that we switched benefit plans to a cheaper plan. Our formulary drug plan went up 11%. 12%. These are all items that are going up 3 four times the rate of inflation. that are things that we can anticipate and they are what is also playing into what you're seeing as the deficit going forward because we have to anticipate the same type of increase year-over-year. The fact that Harrisburg is giving us 1/ half of 1% increase. So they are giving us an increase six times lower than what inflation is. So we're getting no help from the state. None. And basically the when we ask for money from the state, they say raise taxes on your taxpayers. When Philadelphia asks for money from the state, they find the money, but we're told raise your taxes. Right? That's the facts behind it. And there are things that are out of our control. We have attempted to ask, can we shift the population or shift the number of students by one or two in classroom sizes? And that was a resounding no by this board. That is something that if necessary, not necessarily was necessary, but if necessary for administration to do that that we ended up hiring two new teachers last year because of that. So there are expenses, you know, I mean, if you want to go to the extremes, you know, busing is something that we don't have to do. Okay. But nobody wants to get rid of busing. Mike, you know that's the same this the same exact I like I have deja vu about the busing. We can't take No, I'm saying it's it's a hyperbole example here. Okay, but I'm saying but you know, so let's not do this. You know, we were one of the first school districts to go back to full day kindergarten. Other school districts are now following our lead. That costs money to do, but that is something that is here for the good of our students. the fact that over five years we have not raised taxes to the full extent of act one and nobody likes raising taxes but it left money on the table that could have relieved this situation 2.6 6 million on the plus side. We be okay. So, you know, it's it's not that we want to do this. It's that your hands are tied. Now, we are between a rock and a hard place here. We all want to do what is best for our students, but we all also don't want to raise taxes on our tax on our constituents. And even if we do raise taxes on our constituents, the expenses out there are far more than what we can possibly raise taxes. And it's just because that's the cost of things. It's not something we have control over. We cannot self-insure all of our employees. Won't happen. Okay? Would cost us way too much. You know, we cannot we have to place students in out placement services. It is what is best for them. Last week or last two weeks ago, 3 weeks ago, whatever it was, it was 3.2 $2 million in outplacement services. Okay. They control it. Um, go ahead. Excuse me. I have a comment to Mr. Hartline if you don't mind, please. Um, you said a lot, Mr. heartline and I know that you work very hard on this but our contracts that had been approved attribute to our cost absolutely highly absolutely so it's not something and I respect your opinion and you know that it's not something that we are forced to do to the percentage we do do is what we end up doing if that makes any sense in all that stupid English. We're talking about the grandio and I mean grandiose health plan. Now I will not go through some of the things that I thought were unreal that nobody for the most part in this room has. So they're not something that was pushed on us. It was something we did to ourselves. Every labor contract that we have done, if it has escalated, now I'm not saying people don't deserve race. Don't walk out of here and go to social media. Jane Lynch doesn't want to give people races. That is not true. But the thing with it is we are responsible for that. So that's the only things I wanted to say. some of the things that you said. Yes, the the cost are unbelievable and we can raise taxes over and over and over if we don't reduce some of the expenses we have. How do we do that? Do we have a plan? No. Dr. Betting can tell you um one year 500,000 yada yada and then we got a windfall of 2 million for interest which they use for capital. But the bottom line is what happened last year is happening this year and Michael you know it's going to happen next year and the following year. There's no relief in sight. Action is taken. There is no relief in the contracts for at least three years and there's no relief in sight. So Mike I I attempt so Mr. Martin I'm just going to tell you I attempted to call and contact each person on this board. Several of you chose not to respond. That is your business. I can't make you respond. So, the next thing I'm going to say is, well, you said it was poor leadership. It's kind of hard when people don't communicate. But there we go. And then, Mike, um, if somebody wants to make a motion at a lower rate, then we can do that. If it doesn't get done, we will see you all Thursday. I never said poor. Number one. Number two, I did respond to your email. You might not like the response, but I did respond. And I always respond to your emails. First of all, Mr. Mr. Martin, I asked in a text message is what it was. Will you be there on the 24th and the 26th? And what is the percentage you're comfortable with? You gave me no percentage. None. Right. So, if you want to blame me for something, well, people don't communicate. I can't help you. I never mentioned your name. I I don't recall mentioning your name. All right. So, do we want to do this or not? Do we want to sit here and say, "All right, I'll make a motion that we now make it 3.75% increase and the associated numbers that will go with that that are put forward by the business office and then just start whittling it down a quarter percentage till we get a a a deal here." Wasn't that the plan? Isn't the plan? Isn't 3.75? I thought we were going to poll everyone and see what they were willing to do. Well, oh, so it was only three. I don't care. We could pull every I mean, obviously, Mrs. Hart and I already number one, nobody said you had to be pulled and nobody said you had to answer. Is that correct, Mrs. Lynch? Mrs. Lynch said to me, "People don't have to answer if they don't want to." I agreed. We don't. You don't have to answer. Somebody asked you a question, you answered it. That's on you. Well, Mrs. Brinka, excuse me for just interrupting in that respect. In normal circumstances, that was precedent. In this case, it really shouldn't be president because are we in negotiation for a another percentage of the chosen one that I've heard floating around 3.75? Um, or are we just going to sit here and tell what we think? So, nope, we're not. What are we doing? Either somebody can make a motion and add a different at a make another motion or we'll see everybody here on Thursday night. That you have a motion on the floor. Was there a second at all? I'm sorry, Mike. Make a motion. I'm sorry. And if my mouth would have stopped, I apologize. I did not hear you. There was no second. So, I'm not sure everyone heard your motion. Would you please make the motion? If no one seconds, it will die. But I'm not sure everyone heard your motion. Motion to set the tax increase rate at 3.75%. allowing the business office to provide the necessary numbers to accompany that with the motion. Second. So, madam chair, you have a second. You need to ask if there's any questions or comments. If not, then you need to decide whether you all going to do a roll call vote. Are there any question or comments about that? Okay. So, you would do a a roll call. Yeah. Mr. Hartline. Yes. Mrs. Branado? No. Mrs. Lynch? No. Mr. Ghart? Yes. Dr. Maguire? Yes. Mrs. Crossen? No. Mr. Saddowski? No. Mr. Martin? No. Motion fails 35. So we'll be here on Thursday night. Excuse me. I want to keep going. We keep going where? To get to We need to get this done. What's that? Coming back in two days isn't going to change anything. We need to get this done. Yeah. 3 to 5. What would you like to do, Mr. Mr. Ginard? Breath. It It's very frustrating. Extremely. What's that? I said extremely. Yeah, it's because I mean I think looking at Mr. Greenwood's presentation, looking at the numbers, I mean, we know what needs to be done. Nobody wants to do it. Nobody wants to go to the full act one of 4%. But the math is the math. I mean, we we are where we are and it's only going to go worse. Keep taking more from our our funds. Mr. I I agree with you. and we're getting further from where I think we should responsibly be. My point in my no vote and trying to reopen the conversation was to see if we had any appetite for anything they may take down the percentage that we'd have to borrow from our savings. What I remember from last year really substantial draconian cuts right now ended up in some really significant discussions and and problems last year and I don't m Mr. Gwood I'm assuming that all those things you want to do last year changing the schedule at the high school class size they would be the same things this year to reduce the number they're the big ticket items it's just we faced with what we're seeing over the next 5 years is my my point was do do do we want to try to deal with that and see if we can move forward on anything now or do we want to again borrow from the savings and then try again next year we're in worse shape you know what I mean like it's it doesn't get better for us to Mr. It just gets worse and our bond rating gets worse. So it's it's you sound like you agree with the 4% but you're voting no. Is that correct? Yeah. I wanted it to it's it's a thoughtless budget right now. There's no it's just a let's take from the savings account and push it through. and we didn't really have a substantial discussion that I remember here about anything that we might even consider for some of those larger ticket items that may take down the amount that we would have to borrow from that that reduction fund which is what we we want to avoid because ultimately we can only do that so many times before that's gone and we've we don't just kick the can down the road we kick it off the cliff right there's no can anymore we can't kick it any further I'm not getting it you agree with the 4% I think it's irresponsible to do anything less right now to the point that the other, you know, my gentleman, fellow gentleman directors are making, but I my my point in holding off on that vote was we haven't really hashed through in the same way that we did last year. Does anyone have additional appetite for any of the other things or consider any of those potential changes that might take place a couple years down the road that we just keep kind of putting off? If we put it off again until next year and we can get something passed, that's fine. But we still have to deal with it at some point is is what I'm is what I'm saying. So any change, for example, in the high school schedule would have to be for the following year. It would not be next year's, you know, there would have to be a modification two years down the road. Isn't this the same threat? It's the same last year. It is the same sequence as last year. I mean, it is there are those items. There is the augmentation of classroom sizes. There are um you know there are contailment of of you know um of curriculum or of programs and services but there are all those things that have been built up to bolster what's going on to drag us out of this malaise from from um co and then you throw in on top of that the additional need that we have for special education ation teachers and and our expenses are going up. I mean, it's those are the things that we cannot and I I think we said last year there are only bad cuts. There's nothing anyone wants to do, right? So, without without the opportunity for us to talk through it and see if there's anything that's even on the table that we would consider like the only opportunity if we don't cut things is to keep raising. I mean, it's, you know, administration did come back with 1.3 million in cuts. So it's not it's not for lack of lack of crying savings over so there were there were cuts that came back you know and two last year we pushed off a refresh um you know it's you can only do that so much I would not push off necessarily redoing the Alcatel switches because you're dealing with security issues there and you're dealing with conductivity and and for how much of our organization is online and you know that is done through our Chromebooks that we're no longer buying classroom books for right you know that where we saved money in the past on that um you know it is difficult same thing with redoing the monitors the monitors are an integral part of the teaching program excuse me gentlemen but none of those things are on our agenda no so they cannot be approved tonight any cuts you would like to make none of it can be done it's not on our agenda so the only thing we have on our agenda is whether we're going to agree to 4% everybody voted you made a motion for 3.75. People didn't agree on that either. So, the only the only answer I have is see you on Thursday night. That's the only one I have. But what's going to change between I don't know what's going to change when you're if I make the effort to be here on Thursday night and everyone else can make the effort also. I don't know what's going to change, Mark. I don't know what's going to change. We need to do this tonight. Well, we can't we can't decide on cuts that aren't on an agenda. You can't vote on those. Can I put um make a motion for 3.5? You can make all the motions you'd like. Yes. So, somebody has to second it or it doesn't go anywhere. Can you repeatedly? Yes, I will. I like to make a motion to um the interest rate to or the F1 to 3.5 second. I'm sorry, I stepped out of the room. Excuse me. What is the motion? Motion is to set the tax rate at 3.5%. The motion is to set the tax rate at 3.5%. And keep the debt the way it is. Mrs. Roo, excuse me. I'll be here all night. Is there any comment? Oh, okay. Mrs. Ru, if you could take a roll call, please. That I appreciate that. Mr. Ghart, yes. Dr. Maguire, yes. Mrs. Crossson, no. Mrs. Brancado, no. Mr. Hartline, yes. Mr. Saddowski, no. Mr. Martin, no. Mrs. Lynch, no. Motion fails. 53. I make a motion that we table this until Thursday night and revisit it then along with 3.3. I still think we can do 3.4 this evening. Um, second. You made a motion discussion. I do have a question on this. I know there's a motion made. I know there's a second. What do you plan to accomplish on Thursday night? I have no idea. What I plan to accomplish tonight is getting to the rest of this agenda for our individuals that are in the audience. Thank you, Mike. So, the thing with it is unless we change something. Correct. I will be here on Thursday night or I'll be on Zoom, we're going to leave this meeting status quo. Yes. Thank you. And hope that administration can come up with some ideas that Mr. Sidowski had brought forward that maybe we can start a discussion on Thursday night as to correcting some other ideas. I don't know that that's possible, but we will see. I mean, to be very honest with you, Mr. Hartline, I feel that Mr. Greenwood has tried for months and months. Yes. And uh we as a board have not been reciprocal to his suggestions. Correct. I would agree with that. Thank you for your honesty. Okay, so there's a motion on the floor and the motion's been second. Is that correct? That's correct. Okay, Mrs. Lynch. No. Mr. Martin? No. Mr. Saddowski? No. Mr. Hartline? Yes. Mrs. Branado? Yes. Mrs. is to table it. Correct. Mhm. Thursday. Mrs. Crossson, no. Dr. Maguire, yes. Mr. Ghart, no. It's a motion to table fails. 53. Since you still have them act, can I make a suggestion that you complete the other items and then come back to it? Yeah. Fair. Yeah. Let's move on and finish the Sure. Sure. So we can do 3.4. Correct. Uh correct. Okay. Be resolved that the Centennial School District board of school directors 3.4 4 authorizes the business administrator to close the 2024 2025 Centennial School District books as of June 30, 2025, incorporating all acrruels therein to pay the 2024 2025 bills that are due by June 30, 2025 as acred to transfer the budget amounts necessary for processing these expenditures subject to review and ratification by the board of school directors on or about August 19th, 2025 to pay clarification. to pay the 2025 and 2026 bills that are due before the August 19, 2025 regular meeting of the board of school directors subject to review and ratification by the board on or about August 19, 2025 and directs okay the administration to proceed with the preparing for the necessary audit for the fiscal year 2024 2025 further directs the business administrator and/or designignate to record or adjust commitments of fund balance in any or all of the following categories: future capital projects, other post-employment benefits, and retirement contributions. Finally, authorizes the business administrator and or designate to transfer an amount not to exceed the projected 2024 to 2025 fiscal year surplus if there is one at internal closing to either the capital reserve fund number 32 debt service fund 40 or combined or combination thereof consistent with the district's multi-year financial strategy. I get a second. All in favor? I I opposed it. Well, I'm going to just to because she asked questions and I answered for her for the benefit of the public and anyone sitting here. What that did was allow the financial officer to reconcile and start the process for uh filing all the necessary paperwork with our uh uh revenues and expenditures for only this school year. It has nothing to do with anything next year starting July 1. So my question and he can't do anything outside of what you all approved in this budget. Correct. So all those revenues and expenditures that you approved as part of this process, that's all he deals with right now. Well, the 62 2.6 million from IU that's anticipated, but hasn't been received. Oh god. The 2.6 6 million from the IU that's anticipated 425 will be received in the end of this year September on a new budget. So how can you unless you want to do um because we have money in our general fund still that allows so we could do it through the general fund which will close everything out and we'll just start straight. So in essence, he and then pay back when we get the money the 2.6 million. Correct. Once we get a refund, he just put it back in the general fund and it would increase your general fund back up. So think of it is simplify the math. If we got $10 million left in the general fund right now, um we're what I have in my hand is what I have. Correct. But we're spending 2 million. So we're at eight. When when that 2 million comes back, we would go back to 10. Okay. answer my questions. Thank you. [Music] Okay, so that and we had no extensions. So that passed. We're on to item number four, presentations. And we will start with 4.1, the high school ATSI school plan. Good evening everyone. Um we're here to present to you the ATSI plan for the Williamtown High School. Um essentially I'm going to hand it over to Dr. Calibri. But the plan itself revolves around three important concepts. Teacher le plans the common assessment piece and what we're doing with technology as far as Canvas. and we feel that focusing these things around in our ATSI plan will get us the results we need moving forward. So I'm going to turn it over to Sarah. Thank you. Hi, good evening everyone. Um I just want to on behalf of Dr. Cara Cappa and the entire Willing Tenant administrative team, we just want to thank everyone on the ATSI committee which included students, teachers, community members, parents. Um so we really appreciate and the ed committee also for reviewing the ATSI plan. Um so as Dr. Dr. Caracappa mentioned um we took a look at our performance data um and just we've seen in increased growth in our PAS scores um as we shared with the ed committee we were really excited to see all of our categories in blue or green for the last school year so we're really excited about the growth that our students are doing but we're trying to start chipping away that achievement um and so we've seen inconsistencies in the achievement now some of that is related to the pandemic and coming out of the pandemic um looking at our comparison of data compared to the state average. For example, um we're at 50 around 51% proficient or advanced when it comes to achievement in literacy. Um 53% is around the statewide average. So we're not that far off in the state average, but we looked at our math and also our science categories and we see more of a discrepancy there. So um as we've done the committee for the ATSI, what we heard from our students is the experience that they have. So we really wanted to hear from them what is it like to be a student at our high school and how is it like to learn in the classrooms that you're in. So, we saw a variety of feedback and some inconsistencies of what they were learning. Um, and that's just for a variety of reasons. Um, in addition, our administrative team, we conduct walkthroughs in classrooms. So, we're seeing what teachers are doing when it comes to planning, especially aligning to standards. Um, obviously in the state of Pennsylvania, we also have some new standards coming in for science. For example, we have the STEAL standards. Um, and so we are trying to see like where can we do to close some of that achievement gap. It's not a complete, you know, slam dunk, but it's something we can start doing now to see improvement for our students. Um, so the lesson planning, we've been working with our teachers on having objectives, activities aligned to the lesson that engage our students, especially at the high school level where we see some disengagement sometimes happening and also how are we assessing our students? Um, is it based on that grade level standard? Um, additionally, we looked at common assessments. So, our teachers um for for many years have been using a variety of assessment data. Um, but we found discrepancies in the type of assessment data, the rigor of the questions that it wasn't apples to apples when it comes to state assessments. Now, we're not teaching to the test, but we want to teach to that standard. Um, so Dr. Carappa and um the biology team actually started this school year piloting and looking at creating common assessments and really empowering our teachers who are the content experts to develop the common assessments. um they were then able to look at the data afterwards and kind of make more informed decisions about what do we do with that data. Um the last piece of our ATSI plan ties into that data analysis. Um Dr. Caracappa knows that um probably last summer I wasounding the office of teaching and learning like getting our keystone data. Um unfortunately that's a reality for us at the high school level. We don't get data in until the fall and by that time those teachers those students have moved on to new subject areas. So um allowing our teachers um to kind of dive into that data. We've done a lot of work in building data literacy which is why I think our PAS numbers have definitely increased um over the past year but looking about how can they inform their instruction in uh to change how they plan to look and see how they can do small group instruction and provide the needs that all of our students have knowing that we have a variety of needs within our school building. So, um, we've been intentionally using professional development time at the end of the school year to try and get a jump start into this upcoming school year. Um, so we're really excited, um, about the plan. Um, the students, the teachers, the staff, and the community members that we met with to develop this. We're really excited about the direction. Um, and we've already started as an administrative team looking about how can we break this down even further into the upcoming school year. So, u, we hope you consider our ATSI plan and we're going to move our school from good to great. Just a final word, I I actually want to thank Sarah um for taking the lead on this project. While she went through very quickly on a number of the things that we're doing, um these were large um projects that we needed to move along throughout the year. So, I give her uh a lot of credit for working with our teachers and with our departments. Um one of the biggest shifts we had to look at, like she mentioned, is the common assessment piece. Um, when we really dove into our data, what we were finding was kids in certain sections of classes weren't being assessed exactly the same way as in other areas and we needed to work with our teachers to make that more um data friendly because you you weren't comparing apples to apples. It was apples to oranges. So um we're feeling is the work that we've done in this and the plan will get us to where we need to be. So thank you to Sarah and to the team and you know why I brought her now. So thank you. Thank you. Thank Mr. Rush. Yes. All right. All right. Wait for this thing to Chris, are you opening that? Are you guys Thank you. There we go. Thank you. Thank you. Um, thank you. I'm actually going to ask uh Miss Murphy. Oh gosh, I thought she bailed on me. I'm like, jeez Louise, come on. Look, I know the Phillies are on, but come on now. Um, sorry. So, an expansion of the the preview from two weeks ago for our end ofear data, but I asked Miss Murphy to present a few slides because we had a perfect storm here of some of our climate and culture uh survey results come in and a lot of that work feeds what we're seeing happening in the classrooms. So, I asked her to take the first part of this if you wouldn't mind. Um I'm going to for the sake of time get through our usual spiel. Is that okay? Yeah. And I'm going to get right to I love it. the usual spiel. I had to beat Sarah. Sarah was four minutes. So I I I had to that's my benchmark time. Um so just real quick, what this slide shows um is our climate and culture survey. Going back to Dr. Bton's point, during meetings, we don't just give surveys to give surveys, but we're also giving the surveys to have action steps behind them. Uh I inherited this position and the foundation was laid by Cassie before me and also the teachers and the administrators. So in looking at fall 2023, it's the orange and then spring 2025. So we can see if we're uh stable. So when I showed this to extended cabinet, I was looking at it, we can do more where also a perspective was shared with me is like there's stability here. So how can we like take it from being stable to increasing it and what do we want that to be? The main thing that I want to um hit on is that we always talked about how adult actions change student behavior. It's important to understand how our adult actions are going to change the behavior of students. Um that's where this student feedback comes into play. Then teacher and staff feedback. Here's the adult actions and um what we're learning and the feedback that we're getting qualitatively and also from the survey data which is quantitatively. Uh, as you can see that we compared fall 2023 to spring 2025 and the increases are in green and then the decreases are in red and the topics are on the left hand side. there areas that we're focusing on. We're working with schools individually so that we can connect it to Julia Skolnick and the climate and culture think tank work with the science uh of the brain areas of strength that we're working on. Um the last bullet point for the areas of strength that I want to definitely highlight. It's it's important to look at school climate and culture along with academic data because Joe is going to share the academic data and how our academic data is doing. Uh we're hitting the achievement targets. It's really great to be hearing that and saying that. Um, but I want to leave with a summarization of our climate and culture think tank work. Um, trust is was mentioned by four schools. It was implied by all six school like it was implied by two other schools. So all six schools hit on trust as a key component of climate culture. Respect, three schools mentioned that. Collaboration, three schools mentioned that. Safety, two schools mentioned it. And communication. So when I think of vision for climate and culture, there were 12 words that were used to summarize in addition to three by um our central office team authenticity, inclusivity and service. So that's a reflection of our quantitative uh the numbers and qualitative the feelings and that's how just re research on how climate and culture impacts our student outcomes. Thank you. Yep. Thank you so much. Okay, so uh two weeks ago we had kind of the movie trailer. Um so tonight you get more of a the full feature uh going through the spring local assessment data, the end of year data. This is just going to be the local data. Remember two weeks ago we shared some preliminary PSSA data that's state level um that we'll be sharing out in the fall when we get all of the PEOS back and the Keystone data that's not been released yet. It usually comes in mid July I believe. We talked about our Dibbles composite score summary. This is across the board's uh fall to winter to spring and you can see that across the board in grades K through three uh students uh scored above the end of year benchmark. Um this is great to see because this is going on four years of this coming out of the pandemic. We spoke in the fall. Thank you Dr. Ben. We spoke in the fall. You may remember because I know it was a riveting uh presentation then that we are seeing uh kindergarten and first grade students still coming in further behind. So the fact that students are coming further behind into the school district, but yet we are still ending up at above national benchmarks is a good sign that the programs, the structures, the systems we've put into place are working. That's systemic. We talk about our MTSS multi-ter systems support our tiers. Tier three generally students two or more grade levels below. uh tier two one grade level below and tier one at or above grade level. Our goal is to move students from tiers three and two into tier one. This was our K8 reading. Uh last time I don't think I had the pyramids. I can't remember. Uh but you can see that we have had a 27% increase. We've moved 27% of our students in K8 reading out of tiers three and two into tier 1, meaning they are now at grade level or above for their reading skills. That 27% of students is almost 950 students. I mentioned a few weeks ago that that is um a couple school buildings uh in our district. Um so this is really really great work. Um reading as well. Uh I always talk about my famous bucket of 100% of growth sitting there available to us at the end of the year. Uh this year students were at 137% of that annual bucket of annual typical growth. At this time last year was 132%. Darn if I'll remember the year before but I think it was at about 128%. So every year it has been increasing the amount of typical growth our students are making as they're metriculating through our system. That's a good sign. It's good trend. Uh for K8 math similar we had a 39% increase. We moved from tiers three and two into tier 1 with math. That 39% is almost 1,400 students which is almost the enrollment of William Tennant High School. moving students out of tiers three and out of tiers two into tier one either at or above grade level for math. The typical growth was 119% for this year. It was 115% at this time last year. I think the year before was 114%. I don't think the movement was as great one year over the other last year, but it was pretty good this year. Uh switching gears, I ready to uh 9 through 12 only. 9 through 11 really only. Remember I ready is K through 8. This is a composite score of 9 through 11. This is just the big picture. I want to get into the specific grades here with you. Um I put a little note here um right to the right of Mrs. Roo's um head there on the screen. Sorry about that. Or shadow. um that within the LL platform a 100% point uh 100% 100 point increase equals one year's one year of academic growth. Okay. Um so you can see for grade nine only this is grade nine reading only where the different categories is four categories within where that growth was. for grade 10 again across the board we're seeing growth across the board grade 10 reading and then similar pattern that we've seen for three years and I'll speak to this when I get to math there's a great conversation we had at ed committee uh with Dr. McGuire and Mr. Ginhard Mr. good extent about this. Um, this is a three-year trend. Now, we're seeing this drop off in 11th grade across the board in the LL scores in reading. And I'll get to math momentarily. Here is math. This is composite. Grades 9 through 11 in two main categories. Algebra and geometry. Students have algebra 1 and 9th grade generally and algebra 2 and 11th grade. And in the interim in 10th grade, they have geometry. This is a composite score. Ninth grade the focus is algebra. So we saw 127 point increase in algebra from fall to spring which is over a year's worth of growth in the LL platform for algebra for math. And even the geometry which isn't uh the focus of 9th grade math uh was was pushing 80 80 points. So that's a good sign. Uh grade 10 is geometry. We had 194 point increase. Um, huge. Uh, teachers are killing it with that. Students are doing excellent work. Uh, with geometry in grade 10 and grade 11, again, we saw a decrease in geometry. But in algebra, that's algebra 2 and 11th grade, 123 point gain, which is over a year's worth of growth. What we've decided in the office of teaching and learning is we're going to compact uh not just as part of the request to do budget cuts across the board to save some money uh but also logistically move uh move um just up to grade 10. So we're going to be running um generally grades 3 through 10. Uh we use it for assessment in grades 9 and 10. What we're finding three years running now, right? So one time is an accident, twice as a coincidence, three times is a pattern. Um what we're seeing here is a pattern over three years that we have a drop off in 11th grade with the assessment scores in mainly due to two factors. There may be others uh but we believe the two main factors are one it's now postkeystone testing. So, the motivation to engage with an assessment platform once I'm I'm a high school student and I've got the keystones behind me, that engagement may not be there. And two, because of the wonderful structure we have at the high school with the Panther Pathways, students come out of 9 and 10 are kind of finished their core uh courses, if you will, and now they're going into a plethora of choices. Most of those choices are halfyear credits. So, we might capture a student's assessment in the in the fall and we're not catching their spring assessment because they're out of that an English elective or a math elective. So, there's no efficacy to try to use I excel post 10th grade to c we're not going to capture valid data at this point. Some areas of strength. I'm not going to read these at you. Everyone has access to these. What I really wanted to get to, we talked about this at the end of last year, is why are we seeing sustained growth framework, right? Core practices framework, systems. We put systems and structures in place. In addition, it all comes back to what we talk about all the time here. curriculum, instruction, assessment and systems, MTSS structures, the re-imagined school schedules, middle school and elementary school. Distributed leadership, our teacher leaders are amazing. And a professional learning plan that goes out multiple years. We've we're years away from being one and done in professional learning, professional development. that sustained professional learning makes a difference in classroom instruction and in growth and achievement. And lastly, what Dr. Bettton says all the time internally with our team, it is the Wii. It is the Wii. It is the collaboration of our teachers who have been amazing with all the curriculum alignment and the instructional practice improvement coming out of the pandemic. the reading specialists, the math spe special specialists, our amazing coaches, the best in the state, our coordinators, our supervisors, all our instructional leaders, including building admin who serve as instructional leaders for their building and the administrators that we have in central office. It's everybody rowing in the same direction that you're starting to see this. And I'm sorry Mr. Ginhard isn't here. He was for the ED committee meeting because as Dr. Bennett has mentioned before, we've talked for a couple years about having to have and I'm terrible at this is having patience to waiting for the growth comes before achievement, but now we're starting to see the achievement pop. It's not where I want it to be, but it's starting to trend upward because we've had several years now of growth and growing our kids from September to June in these aligned curricular areas. I made that as quickly as I could. I think it was four minutes. But Mr. is here, Mr. Fle. Oh, Mr. Godic said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My That's what I think messed me up. Thank you. You can't do that to me. Um, any questions? Uh, just to thank you for the the leadership and the systemic focus, the kind of goal oriented vision that you've had for the past several years, moving everything in the right direction. It's been great. And we remember the conversations about, you know, growth, growth, growth leading to achievement over time. and we have to be patient. And we go back, you know, 3 5 years to where we were and look where we ended up. It's because everyone was on board. We had alignment. We had buyin from the teachers. We had clear expectations. Everybody going in the same direction. And that's how you get here. So, great job to the students for stepping up. Great job teachers. Great job to the leadership. And thank you from the top. It it really does take that that commitment from everyone. Yes. Thank you to the entire team. This steady growth is amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Great. Thank you. The numbers are fantastic. Okay. Committee reports. I'll start with education committee. Um we met on June 11th and we discussed the things that were just uh presented to us. The uh high school school plan and got in depth on the uh assessment data that Mr. Lutz just presented. We also uh discussed items to uh be brought forward that are going to be running being brought forward next which are purchase of of books for the reading Olympics and the teacher leader positions. And that was the extent of the meeting. There is no other meeting scheduled until we start up the new school year. Okay. Uh finance met on the 12th. Um again, just about everything um that was discussed has been brought forward in one fashion or another. Obviously, the budget also um there are seven items that will be up for approval this evening. Most of them are bids that were awarded that are going through. There is some information on the Pennsylvania liquid assets fund. We also had some additional information on surrounding financials throughout the um throughout the country really. So that is all part of the finance report or the finance meeting. If you want to go back and look at those reports, they were there. Thanks, Mike. Um operations committee, we met on the 13th, I believe. Um the repairs to the tennis court have been done. Um they look good. Correct, Mr. Wman? Um uh the paving at Log College in William Tenant will start the second week of July. Um the classroom um I'm sorry, FCS classroom refurbishment. Um uh our team completed some electrical work, appliance installation, and some plumbing. Um that was at Log College. Clinger is estimated to be less due to not having to remove a wall. Um, Turac is a company. They're uh completing our roof assessments of all of our schools and buildings and they will provide us with a report by early July. This is our first step in the evaluation of adding solar to our district. Um, you have to be patient. I I'll be with you in one second. I'm trying my best. Uh um tonight we have on the agenda um to approve the testing for lead in our water and I think that's pretty much it. Um Mr. Godson [Music] did you do the education student services committee? I did. Okay. So we will move on to 6.1 education student services. Items presented for information are the teacher leader positions, reductions and updates for the 2025 2026 school year that's attached for the board members and for anybody that goes to board docs to see it. Moving on to items for approval. Does anybody want to pull anything? Okay, moving on. Item 6.2. Items presented for approval be it resolved that the Centennial School District Board of School Directors 6.2 2A approves the purchase of reading Olympics books for the William Tennant High School library district cost not to exceed $16.79. 6.2B approves the purchase of reading Olympic books for the Clinger Middle School library district cost not to exceed $661.18. 6.2C approves the purchase of reading Olympics books for the Log College Middle School Library. District cost not to exceed $456. 6.2D approves the purchase of reading Olympics books for the Willowdale Elementary School Library District cost not to exceed $481.58. 6.2E 2E approves the renewal of databases, licenses, and software for the 2025 2026 school year, including Educere, Imagine Learning Online, Imagine Learning Readers, and EXL. District cost not to exceed $179,46.50. 6.2F 2F approves the revised list of teacher leader positions for the 2025 2026 school year cost not to exceed $124,000 which is a reduction of $9,175 from last school year. 6.2G approves the list of candidates for the teacher leader positions for the 2025 2026 school year. 6.2H approves the 2025 2026 Wayen High School additional targeted school improvement plan the A-TSI no cost to the district. Can I get a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I I opposed. Extensions carries. 8 Z. Right. All right. Finance uh items for presentation is the PSDLAF monthly report. Um previously mentioned we have seven items up for approval tonight. Does anybody wish to have any of these pulled? Very well. So be it resolved as theennial school district board of school directors 7.2A 2A awards furniture bid 2025-23 to Hines Furniture School specialty staples STS Innovative Interiors and WBM Mason in the aggregate amount of $25,71786. 7.2B 2B awards the bid 25-9 for the football equipment cleaning reconditioning and replacement for the district's secondary schools for 2025 2026 2026 2027 2027 2028 school years to riddle annual cost will be vary with the volume and and need but would not anticipate an expenditure of about $25,000 per year 7.2C 2C awards art supply bid 2025-202 to Brick Blick Art Cascade School Supplies Kuns Brothers Lakeshore Learning Nasco National Art and School Supply Quill SNS Worldwide Sheffield Pottery Staples and WBM Masons in an aggregate amount of 58,8521. 7.2D 2D awards the stock supply bid 2025-21 to Cascade School Supplies, Kuns Brothers, National Arts and School Supplies, Pyramid School Products, Quills, SNS Worldwide, Staples, and WBM Mason in the aggregate amount of 27,64528. 7.2E 2E awards athletic equipment and supply bid 2024-22 to BSN Sports, DJ Sports of Pennsylvania, Lux Sports, MFAC, Pyramid School Products, Quills, Ridal, SNS Worldwide, School Health, Sportsman's, and Winning Teams in the aggregate amount of $25,9721. 7.2F adopts the 2025 2026 payroll calendar. Second. Seconded by Mr. Ginhard. All those in favor? I I opposed. Abstension. Motion passes. 800. Uh 7.2G. Be it resolved that Centennial School Board Board of School Directors 7.2G 2G adopts the resolution in the form presenting authority authorizing amounts other things and increments of non electoral indebtedness of the school district in the maximum aggregate principal amount not to exceed 36,5 $750 for the purpose of refinancing all or a portion of the Centennial School District's outstanding general obligation bonds series A from 2027 from 2017 general obligation ation bond series B 2017, general obligation bond series D of 2017, and the general obligation bond series of 2018 in order to achieve certain debt service savings. Just clarification, I'm sorry. 30 big difference here. $36,750,000. I'm sorry. As corrected. Second, please. Second. Second by Mr. Ginhard. Mr. Martin. Um, Mr. Parl, three very quick questions if I might. One, uh, what's the projected savings for doing this? Two, what is the cost for the professionals to accomplish it? And three, is it as is it predicted that they will use the existing bond rating or will they use a new bond rating based on what has happened recently? They're my questions. Thank you, Mr. No problem. I believe the anticipated savings is north of a million dollars over how many years over the life of what was it 15 years over the balance of the of the loan of the of the for next year's budget this year's coming budget it's I I think it's about $50,000 a year it's $50,000 okay thank you annually that one and the expense was 25 the expense that is that is after any expenses I'd have to get down the breakdown down of everyone involved in it. So I can come back to you with that number. Okay, that that's fine. And this the interest rate is a moving target. So we won't know until we get closer to the date what the anticipation on the interest rate is going to be. The rough estimate that they had given us was 3/4 of a point less. Yes. Um which would take us from 5 to 4.25. The last issuance we did, we were as low as 3.9 3.91. Yeah, it was a much larger. So, and it is set structured so that if the market does go south on us, we will not do the restructuring if we're not going to see savings. Right. Okay. Now, my question what I meant to check and Mr. Ginhard raised it earlier. What what is is it projected that there will be a new rating done by Moody's or whoever or will they use the current rating to do this and move it forward? So with every f refinancing you do or any financing whether it's a refi or or new a new issue um we we go through an interview process we go through an assessment uh that happens right so we there's a a call that goes on that you know I share the glories of of Centennial School District and and all our all our strengths um uh leaning in pretty hard and uh you know that's what drives it since we did a refinancing less than a year ago. We anticipate that to be a shorter call. Uh just highlighting the the different pieces, right? So I I don't we don't know for sure, but as certainly we talked about, you know, in in the beginning of the night, um long-term uh deficits, right? I I think hurt us, right? Um but uh I'm I'm hopeful and you know, as Mr. Hartline, I think asked or Mr. Garda asked uh earlier if it it's going to impact us, you know, in in August. I don't know. Is it going to impact us in February? I don't know. But it it doesn't, you know, it it's all all in the work. Thank you. Sorry. Yep. Okay. Any further questions? Seeing none, all those in favor? I opposed. Abstension. Motion passes 800. Can we turn the lights on? Excuse me. Can we turn the lights off? Turn the water off. Okay. Uh, operations committee items presented for information are the water. Come on. I'm old. There's no way I'm ready for lights on. That's extra items presented for information is the water testing for lead that Mrs. Bronaid talked about earlier and the only item we have is one. So we'll get right to it for approval. Be it resolved that the Centennial School District Board of School Directors 8.2A 2A approves a 35% reduction of fees for the use of Centennial buses and drivers to provide transportation for Upper Southampton Township summer camp participants for trips and swimming cost to Upper Southampton including reduction of fees is $4,21054. A second. Any discussion? All in favor? I any opposed? Abstensions passes 800. Thank you. Uh board comments. Does anybody have anything they would like to say? I do. Sure. Is Dr. McGuire go ahead? You spoke first. Did you have something to say? No, you're first by all means. All right. First and foremost, I want to thank everyone who is attending here this evening, those watching at home, the CSD faculty, staff, etc. And I want to express my appreciation to hope for PA for their unwavering prayers and support. Thank you, Dr. Bettin, for your years of many years of service and dedication. As we wrap up this year, I am ready for a brighter nonpartisan future where CSD administrators and cabinet members respect board members and that respect is mutual. This respect must extend not only among board members but also within the community. Let me be clear. If you miss my remarks tonight, don't worry about it because you'll see it in the papers tomorrow. whether it's the right things that I say or or it'll be just made up as it usually is or we'll see what it says. However, um you know, when it's presented in the paper and it's likely far from what I said, okay, um what I just mentioned, unless you're among the select few who prefer to relay distorted information to rile up the crowd, the gloves are off at times. The past several months have been challenging and I intend to address that head on. There are important details that many of you might not be aware of. And yes, Mr. Greenwood, I have feelings too and so does my um fellow board members. But let's be frank. If board members had not voted in line with certain community members, our personal information could have been exposed to the public. These are allegations, remember. But I want you to understand the gravity of the situation. It's unacceptable. Did you know that a board member was followed home after a meeting all the way to until she reached he or she reached the police station? This again is entirely unacceptable. Yes, Dr. Bett and I have a permit to carry. But guess what? I don't even own a firearm. If you are so concerned, check with the rest of my colleagues sitting here at the table. Why was the letter from a school district read openly? It should have been discussed as at an executive meeting. While I support transparency, this was not about that. It appeared to be an attempt to undermine an opponent or to make someone feel relevant again. A few months ago, we all attended meetings at the IU and by a majority vote, we agreed to work together in crafting questions for the superintendent search. We all had the same opportunity at those meetings and I was present. Sometimes I question, was I really at the same meetings as everybody else? Yet with all the misleading rhetoric, I began to question what was happening, especially given the unprofessional outburst from a particular board member who didn't get his or her way. I am uncertain who Mr. Martin's initial choice was, but initially James and Tony ca said, their first choice was Dr. Abe. You can correct me when I'm finished, Tony, if you like. Of course. What caused the shift in their opinions? Was it the pressure from the crowd and the scripted emails we received? Some of those messages were down downright hostile. Yes, and they were sent in mass. The supporters of Dr. Abe, however, were more respectful and chose not to disrupt the process. Those opposed to our decision jeered and booed during our board meetings. After the vote in May, at the end of May, they retorted to shouting vulgar names and profanities at the board from the in the auditorium. And I cannot and will not repeat the words that were screamed at us that day, and I'm sure you can't hear it on the video. This behavior is unacceptable and does not represent the community I know. Speaking of unacceptable behavior, does anyone know the owner of this following email? G W2P prince as in princ@gmail.com. If you do, please reach out to me or contact the Warminster Police. Is anybody familiar with this fake name, Daniel Dumile? His remarks directed at me on social media are cowardly and shameful. And let's not forget two other people, and I have their paper the papers here, who claimed and I quote, "I am in the Centennial District. I agree that a certain board member is his newest trrist." And then their friend added, "Oh my god, ew, he's sleeping through the school districts." This was also brought out at one the May 13th meeting out loud and it was recorded and I don't have the exact place on the recording that alleged that some of us or maybe that's what we like is having an affair or a trrist with the new superintendent. Well, you know what? My god, let's get real. It's not me. As Paul Newman said to about Joanne Wilward, why would I go out for something else when I have steak at home and it's not Mary Alice? We've had a major conversation about that. So, who is it? Certainly isn't me, Mary Alice. Whatever. So, who are these accusations aimed at? Excuse me. Now, let's pivot to some good news. The 4th of July is fast approaching, bringing with it numerous township area parades. If anyone is interested in riding in a CSD golf cart with their friends, which raises significant risk management concerns, I encourage you to contact the CSD. This is financed with your t tax dollars. Were you aware of that? Yet only a select few are given this opportunity each year. Interestingly, it appears that no news outlets received any reprimand for their coverage of the recent firings of five employees in a particular school district. No notable action here. Lastly, did anyone notice the beautiful dedicated bench outside the doors? It offers a serene space and honors Jane Shrader Lynch for her years of commitment. Thank you, Jane, for your years of commitment. But then again, who else is allowed to rest and smoke on school property? I forgive people, but that doesn't mean I have to accept their behavior or trust them. I forgive them for me so I can go around and move on with my life. And in this district, my goal and my mission and be voted to this position was to think about the students and their education of Centennial School District. It's time we address these issues openly and honestly and again, think of the students and the rest of the district and the community. Thank you. Madam Chair, yes. I am absolutely not certain where this question about a permit to carry. I've never inquired Dr. McGuire about you having a permit. Never raised a question. What was raised a question were two things. One was we received a call from the sheriff's office inquiring about us allegedly having a lack of security preparation at law college which had already been coordinated with the police department. And as any law enforcement officers do, they talk to each other. So the call went to them. The call came to us, our law enforcement, and then to my office. I did the right thing. I reached out to you to speak to you directly rather than go on rumors to inquire about what concern existed and I left it at that. You refused to respond to me. I left it at that and moved on. I did not refuse to go ahead. Yeah, you did. I did not respond. I am not on my I Ma'am, you actually did not ever respond to me. No, I don't. And then you made then you made Well, no. And then you made a comment. I'm not going to call him back in a public form cuz people told me you were made aware that I was trying to reach you. My point is I did the professional thing and went straight to you to talk to you to get clarity because we got a call from law enforcement. Okay. Okay. Secondly, the issue that was brought to my attention, which is my duty as a chief executive officer and a superintendent, when people make a concern about reference to a firearm being brought on school property, I followed up and asked, "Where is that concern?" when they shared the actual information regarding which was allegedly a comment you made in public that they had a concern about about your spouse having a weapon on school property which he did not I don't know if he did or not I asked and I said to them my response was this there's nothing we can do about it now I hope it's not true it's after the fact and I moved on so nowhere was there any conversation about whether you carry have a per permit I don't know where that came from and the law enforcement thing was the legitimate concern concern for me following up with the board member and say if there's a concern about safety we can tell you and by the way as you can see we had more than enough and the police department was there. The sheriff would not come into our jurisdiction without coordinating with our local police department. That just doesn't happen. What it did was rile up our police department and make them feel like what's going on here? we're working with you and why are we getting a call and and what maybe made them feel like they weren't doing their job but you never reached out to the superintendent to ask if ma'am don't you even dare don't you chastise me I talk about respect ma'am would you but you know there's nothing for you to say I respect what I was going to do you don't talk to I'm sorry sir you don't talk to anybody no idea what I was going to do but there's nothing for you to say let me finish you're going to cut me off and that's what you getting ready to do. You know what I was going to say to you? Take a breath so you stop getting so that's exactly what I was done to you. Thank you. But at the end of the day, I wish you would intervene with the the the inaccuracies. I'm not sure where you get this information from. The issue is you never talk directly to the person like I try to show you you respect and come directly to you. Okay, let me be clear. The reason why I called Sheriff Harry, I'm not even concerned about that. What I wish is that you would come. You always have something to say and I'm speaking. I have nothing to speak. I am speaking. I'm speaking. Slow down on Centennial School Board. Um, oh my god. The reason why we I have a budget. I called Mr. Officer or Sheriff Harren just to ask him for advice. I did not ask him to I don't know to contact all the police. that was his business to do that. And so when you I found out that you were reaching out to me at that meeting that night and that's when I thought I don't sit on my computer 24/7. Not at all. But that is the reason why I should talk to Sheriff Haron. Wasn't questioning why you talked. That wasn't even a question. My call was to ascertain what concerns you may have had. Yeah. There was concerns about safety. Yes. And I could have answered those. You never initiated. And your words that were allegedly shared was that I'm not calling him back. Period. No, because I would see you that night. But you still didn't get back. You just still didn't speak to me about it. My point is you came here and grandstand stood what you did just now. Oh, that's you never you did because you just made reference to something to me that it was not accurate. Okay. That's grandstanding. It is. Madam Chairman, I just have a brief comment if I might before we adjourn. very briefly on that budget to go with. Yep. And my comment is I want to thank Dr. Breen for his five years. I think he has accomplished a lot in our district. We should thank him for what he's done and been able to do. And I don't think we set a very good example for the students of this district in the way we conduct our business. We should do better. And uh I'm not going to dignify any other comments with any response, but thank you. And thank you, Dr. Brendon. I wish you well in your new endeavors and I know we will miss you and appreciate what you've done and you're working right up to the last day instead of uh instead of not. But thank you again and uh because it's late. I could say more, but I won't. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. I apologize to you, Mado. And Dr. Ben, I just I just wanted to um piggyback on that. Thank you for your strong leadership over the years. You will be surely missed. Dr. Bad, hold on one second. Is there just one second? You can go next. Absolutely. Is there anybody else that needs to make a comment? Okay. Go ahead, Mrs. Lynch. Thank you. I have been fortunate. Here we go. I have been fortunate to work with six superintendent. You are the best. You are the brightest. You know school law like nobody knows it. I have learned. I have grown by being acquainted with you and you being my superintendent. I didn't think I could learn additional items considering my longevity on this board, but you have taught me to be extremely thorough to dot my eyes and cross my tees because I really at some point, and this should have a little bit of humor, I enjoyed when you challenged me and I challenged you because you pushed me into thinking deeper and deeper and I grew from that experience. So, wishing you well. You will be missed and uh thank you. Thank you, Mrs. Lynch. Is there anybody else? Okay, we still have budget to get to people. So, so I guess I need to rewrite this to open it up again. All right. Yeah, I think you would you need to reintroduce the motion. I'm going to reintroduce the motion. Be resolved that the Centennial School District Board of School Directors 3.2 2 adopts the final budget of the school district for the 2025 2026 fiscal year on form PDE 2028 with a tax increase of 4% as the final budget for the school district general fund in the amount of 156,447,125 in expenses and with revenue of 15194,429 authorizes is the 2025 2026 annual tax levy resolution, real estate tax installment payment plan and the homestead farmstead exclusion resolution as per the attached. Can I get a second? Second. Second by Mr. Hardline discussion. [Music] All right, let's move to a roll call vote. Mrs. Branado, no. Mrs. Crossen, no. Mr. Saddowski, no. Mr. Hartline, yes. Mr. Martin, no. Mr. Ghart, yes. Mrs. Lynch, no. Dr. Maguire, no. Motion fails. 62. Okay. Um Okay. We will have be here on Thursday, June 26th at 700 p.m. Um that will be the only thing on that agenda. Am I correct? Yes. Well, we'd have to do Did we table the other 3.3? What is it? 33 3.3 3.3 and 3.2 2 will be on the agenda for Thursday at 7. I have to table this if we're going to Okay. Well, I'm just letting them know and then you can take you whatever. I'm not I'm going to get it done tonight. You what? I want to get it done tonight. I'm not going to table it. So, what would you like to do? We going to get this done tonight? I mean, we have a responsibility. Quite honestly, Charlie left. I guess Charlie left. I mean, we have a responsibility to the taxpayers, to the to the parents, to everybody. We have a responsibility to get this done. Why are we booting this down for what's going to change in two days? We're going to be here for another three hours on Thursday and get nothing done, right? Then we'll have a meeting on Friday. We'll have a meeting on Monday. We have a responsibility. We need to get this done. This is a huge This is one of the biggest things we do. And to sharp this responsibility is irresponsible. We need to get this done. I'm going to be real honest. I don't know that I will be here Thursday. I'm burying my sister on Friday. Today was hard enough for me to come here. I'm still here. I have kids blowing up my phone because they have questions about their mother's funeral. But I'm here now. So, I don't know if I'll be here Thursday. If I'm not, I mean, I will do everything in my power to be here, but I can't promise. I might have to be virtual. I have no idea. There's no reason. But it just seems like there's a there's a game going on here, and it's people agree that it should be 4%. I do not. And I'm entitled to feel that way. But because I'm saying no, everybody says no. That's a game. Just like emails that I got that said, I will agree to whatever Mrs. Mano agrees with. That would be a first. I'm not I'm not putting anybody down for what they would like the percentage to be, but I am entitled to feel the way I want to feel. I'm not judging any of you. You have no right to judge me. So if you I hear people saying 4%. I've heard Mrs. Crossen say it for weeks. I think Mr. Sidowski agrees with 4%. But because I'm saying no to 4%, you're all going to play with not I shouldn't say you all. Some of you are going to play a game. Well, then we're going to say no, too. You know, you do what you want. Oh, my turn. You know, Mrs. Lynch, I have been respectful to every single person when they've had something going on, and yet here we are. So, go ahead. You can now you could say whatever you want to say. It's fine. I wasn't talking about you, Mrs. Lynch, but go ahead. You had a comment. Go ahead. Okay. Thank you. I comment. You have to turn your microphone. Wow. Now my mic's on. I know the hour is late. Mr. Ghart, the heavy burden of a tax increase is huge to every one of us on this board, to everyone in this audience. And we need to do something. And I agree with you. But how long can we continue deficit spending and taking money out of our savings and reserve? How long will we how long will our school district survive? It won't. It won't. And you know it, right? So, we have to Excuse me, please. I'm sorry. We can get a percentage, but that's not helping the deficit in the respect of the amount of money that we are spending each year. in my mind until we get a foundation, a deficit, a a plan to curtail some of our expenditures. We're going to be in this position for years now. I'm not talking about I don't want run out of here and say about busing or the music program. That's not what I'm talking about. I wouldn't put I through the years they have put those fears as soon as a class size and other stuff are pin things to scare people to vote for things. We have to get our house in order period and for people and their comments. I have to laugh um not laugh at the budget but laugh at dissertations from individuals. If your house is clean, you don't have to worry. Thank you. And I hope that things go well for you. That goes more ways than just one way. Okay. Motion to adjurnn. Yeah. Make a motion to adjurnn, please. Oh, sorry. I just did. Things are still Okay. Excuse me, but I just made a motion. Oh, did I'm sorry. The motion was made, but unless someone seconds it, it dies. So, you can make a motion to adjurnn. It just takes someone to second it move and then you have to do a vote. And in this case, since there's a disagreement, you probably roll call vote on that second. They're open. And so, the issue, you can do it. It it really if you're going to do a motion to journ, you need motion to table those things to the next meeting first. Well, the motion failed, though. Yes. And if you The budget failed. There was no second motion on the budget has voted and it failed. Therefore, we would need to table 3.3. Um and actually I don't have my book with me. Uh Mr. Harline, I'm almost I'm trying to remember two things. One is if you don't table it, can it be it may it may by it may be if someone does a motion to to journ it may automatically uh die and have to this does it need to be we have to vote something on it because it's an action item. Yeah. Yes. Thank you. I was trying to Yeah. cuz I was trying to figure out you can't even close it out properly without an action cuz it's still sitting there as an action item, right? So, we have to vote yes or no. Is that correct? No. Yeah. For 3.3 on 3.3. We haven't done anything with that yet. And then but I believe because the budget failed, it can still be brought up at the next meeting which would be on Thursday night. It it can be right. I believe that it has to be from someone who voted uh in favor of it. Like you can't like someone who voted against can't bring it back cuz then you'd have a repent. Exactly. Yes. So I would have to myself or or Mr. Ginhard would have to reopen it on Thursday. Yes. Correct. Yes. Okay. So we need to vote on 3.4. Is that correct? No, that's done. Oh, it's already done. 3.3. Yeah. 3.3. Okay, we'd have to We need a motion to table 3.3 to Thursday's meeting. Got it. Got it. So, I will make that motion. Okay. Second. Actually, excuse me. One point of order here. I believe because we have an open motion from Mrs. Lynch, if you would like to withdraw her motion temporarily. Thank you. Okay, we're good to vote on tableabling 3.3 until Thursday night. Okay. Is there a second? Mrs. Yep. Mrs. Bronado seconded. All I think we're Thank you, Doc. All those in right. That's all we need. All those in favor? I I all those against. No. Excuse me. I didn't see just two. Two. Okay. Um motion passes. Correct. Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Is there anybody wants to abstain? Okay. Public meeting on Thursday. Yes. Absolutely. Must be. Wow. Okay. Mrs. Lynch, can you reintroduce your motion to adjurnn, please? Second. No. No. No. Okay. Um, interesting. [Music] Uh, the next meeting the next meet the next meeting will be Thursday, June 26th at 700 p.m. Um, motion I mean meeting adjourned. Correct. There we go.