meeting to order at 6 30. the first item is to adopt tonight's agenda so moved question's been made and seconded to adopt tonight's agenda any discussion all in favor say aye aye aye motion passes we have an agenda next item is to approve the minutes from the June 13th meeting I will make a motion to approve the minutes oh seconds all right emotion's been made and seconded to approve the minutes from the June 13th meeting any discussion hearing none all in favor say aye aye motion passes item four Park financial information Nate once again the first page is our Park uh Capital funds we have the park acquisition and Development Fund with uh pretty much only eight thousand dollars in that balance and then our part Capital fund which has 187 000 the only expenditure so far this year was for the John Anderson Paving of the John Anderson Trail and that was 58 200. we do have the playground coming through that's another thirty thousand that will come out this year and then what we decide for um booster West with the skateboard park and then a trail on baton so everything's on peace with that one the second page is our operations budget and if anybody doesn't have any questions on there I can answer them but that one's on Pace as well I was looking at the motor feels because we're only at the end of July here and we're at 13 5 and we only have 20 000 budgeted what does that look like if we have a lot of snow like we could go over on that we've that does happen time to time especially on those ones that are variable with the storms and whatnot we do have some other cushion built into this the bottom line is kind of what we look at for the whole budget and we do have some capacity if you do go over on motor fuels we I think we did bump that up for uh 2024 as well prices on fuel are up quite a bit right now I think they're pushing three dollars and eighty cents for a gallon of unleaded so some of this money is not just for Parks like we've explained before yes it's street street projects as well snowplowing and stuff it's just split by a formula for this for this budget as well because I was also curious about the building facility repair supplies yep and I don't remember I think that was I'd have to go back and look on that one what that big deal was I think it was I can't remember what that one was about to look that one up was it some kind of vehicle no that one's for if we had to do a major repair um it can be anything from uh well repair for an irrigation system or a vandalism on a building so 2500 doesn't get you very far so we've a lot of times we go over on that one but other years we don't use hardly any of it so basically kind of we look at the bottom we're at 50 50 55 for the year and we're you know over halfway through so we're pretty much on Pace it's good to me Nate you wanna uh motion on it or anything or um sure we can do emotional to prove it and it's been made and seconded to approve the park financial information any more discussion hearing done all in favor say aye aye motion passes item five Hidden Prairie Park dedication item 5.0 consider a recommendation on Park dedication for Hidden Prairie Hidden Prairie is a revision of a previously submitted plat that was reviewed by the park Commission in November of 2022 the revision includes the addition of 18 acres and increases the buildable Lots from 10 to 17. the development includes one street that will connect to East Bella Boulevard which is county road 15 and will terminate in two cul-de-sacs with any flooded property the park commission can recommend 10 percent of the land be dedicated to Parkland or recommend a park dedication fee in lieu of land the park dedication for this development would be two thousand dollars per lot or thirty four thousand dollars in total staff is Seeking a recommendation for the park commission to City Council on acceptance of Parkland or Park dedication fees for the proposed development so this is when we already looked at in 20 like I said November 2022 they added they combined some property here and were able to this this piece here and make this actually a little bit better more functional development too before it had to uh temporary cul-de-sacs and these would be permanent call to sex now because all the property around here is developed is this pretty close to Whispering Oaks um I can bring it up on the on the full map it's kind of across from the cemetery on East Bella Boulevard just north of the fire station yeah this is near Sioux Falls so this is Whispering Oaks here and development we're looking at this one will be this piece here this is Clump where Klondike comes out to East Bella Boulevard fire station one is ready is that a safe connector from the plan to the to Whispering off uh there's no there's no connection no from those two because this exits right on County Road 15 which doesn't have a shoulder so it's this parcel here and then this piece here is that a tree line there this year yeah yes excuse me yep okay folks is right here okay um it could be more than a mile is the crow flies can kids fly pretty soon how much land do uh this was about a mile and a half because the city council already seen this change and approved it too or they have looked at the preliminary flat but not this not this changed one I don't think so the Planning Commission has looked at it so far so it is 22 Acres on that piece about 40 44 Acres no I mean for the if we took land ten percent of that would be 4.4 0. well I'm a land hugger I know we've got we always bite off more than we can maintain but that's my two cents worth is the land that they're proposing quality there is no proposed parked land on here right now it's all set up as uh buildable lots for houses okay and those are all two plus acre lots this is all yep real residential [Music] I guess I got to say I was kind of leaning more towards taking the cash at lieu of the land in this case I sort of feel like when people come out to East Bethel they have a larger lot they're less likely to have a need to go to a park you know there is still one relatively close that they could buy two or or drive to um yeah what's the smallest lot what's the smallest lie in this development yeah two acres okay and and I also think that taking that money you know we could maybe put it towards a trail um you know I look at um well number one the city ordinance still says that there has to be a sidewalk or a trail in a rural residential development um and I don't see one on here but rather than have it in the ordinance like like it says uh on one side of the road you know in a case like this what if there was a way to snake a trail in before it's developed I don't know connecting one cul-de-sac maybe around the back of those lots or or even somewhere else to kind of make a almost like a loop that somebody could walk through on it I realize I guess that that's really not part of our our question on this but I think we'd be better off with some cash versus land that we don't have the cash to develop or make into a park anyway land's a great idea but you got to be able to develop it if we're going to have it right and we do have some parks land dedicated already that we haven't been able to develop I Surrender what I get where you're coming from too Bonnie I mean we don't want kids crossing a busy road no I agree every in Parkland once that's developed is impossible so I get that but you know we've got little chunks of land here in there for Parkland that you know if we don't do anything with it it ends up reverting back to the development questions property's kind of landlocked all these other all these are all developed around the top here these this is this is all developed these are individual properties here they might be able to split maybe one lot out of them in the future this piece back here could be a potential property at some point then you're getting into the Hoffman sod farms out here where's the where's the back of that thought on that map right the tree line all that okay who does own that other part there from there too these are come off of the end of the ANSI so that's a private I think this is hot and that was this Johnson from Moorhead well do we make a motion to move forward with the park dedication fee are you making the emotion I'll make a motion to move ahead with the park dedication fee second I'll second motion has been made and seconded to go forward with the park dedication fee any more discussion hearing none all in favor say aye aye item six strandlin Farm Park dedication and along the same lines this is item 6.0 consider a recommendation on Park dedication for stradlin Farm the surroundland farm concept plan shows the development of approximately 76 Acres of rural residential zoning with 21 single-family home lots proposal includes the addition of one new road that would access County Road 74 and connect with 219th Avenue The Proposal also includes an internal street with a cul-de-sac with any planted property the park in Michigan recommend 10 of the land to be dedicated to Parkland or recommend a park dedication fee in lieu of land the park dedication for this fee or excuse me for this development would be two thousand dollars per lot or forty two thousand dollars total staff is Seeking a recommendation from the park commission to City Council on acceptance of Parkland or Park dedication fees for the proposed development so this one is right down past our building here on the corner where 74 makes the heart rate turn um so they're between Booster Park and Whispering Oaks correct yep there may be some issues with this one they're still trying to figure out this this layout might change the access with Anoka County is still up in kind of in limbo they're trying to work on that but for right now it's what we're working with you pull it up on the big map again the gis map and this one because this one gone to city council yet have you guys reviewed Australian farm I don't think so I think it's only been the Planning Commission okay they had a pretty full house there for that meeting I believe I bet they did so it's this 40-year they split the uh existing Farmhouse off in this 40 here just kind of orientate you here's City Hall Booster Park this is right at this corner so that's really close there's a road that would connect off 74 and then connect with this gravel dirt road possibly they show a cul-de-sac coming down here they might have to do a cul-de-sac going this way to limit these access points driveways going out onto the county road so they're still working on that part of it but they kind of wanted the park commission to weigh in just in case this happens before the next meeting that it goes so the timing fits is there a way I mean I can't this is so tiny to bring our trail from Baton all the way across into this neighborhood that's a good question you'd have to probably um purchase some land it's a couple hundred yards east of the town where it starts well is that is it xilate is that what's over there um phylite and then so here's baton and connects right in that top corner oh I forgot about that right across the road and that that corner is actually cut out of the proposed development yeah so it doesn't touch but it's pretty close yeah we'd have to go past the Farm Center that wouldn't be so bad though and then eventually even if it was close you could jump over quick got a bike and you can head up and keep in mind too and eventually Anoka County has a regional trail running along this this whole route that's in their their plan their master plan how far out yes on the southern tip what was that trail and right now right now it ends at right here we're gonna build this piece this summer this fall this will be kind of the this is kind of the a little bit tougher spot as we go from here down to here it did not continue past 2 222nd in the original plans it goes into here and this is how you get back into booster thank you the city does not own that right away or do they we've got the right away yeah okay all the way down to two okay we never looked further than that because there wasn't anything to the south of it to right okay draw anybody makes sense there's only two landowners there from 222nd down to 221st and then one house is brand new yeah well both of them are both both are in the near future you know not very far long ago right so because the one had The Farmhouse that was like hundreds of years old or something Alice restaurant but that's out of there now well I guess I'm in favor again of taking the the park dedication funds in lieu of the land and you know maybe we work in this one we work in trying to get a trail to connect to the north and maybe eventually up to booster so this is our long-term Trail plan um blue line is the Anoka County's proposed Regional Trail that would cut through the city connect Lake George to Martin Lake so our you know our plan our Trails kind of Branch off of that for the future playing you know it's a long ways up we're trying to think quite a ways of the future and project stuff it's kind of hard to do sometimes but baton Trail would connect from there connect to Wooster Park and eventually connect up to the Fish Lake nature area well if they end up with a cul-de-sac on that north end of that instead of going off driveways off to it would be nice to get Trail access in there prior to stop going out that end you mean yeah right the other side because once that's in and then we'll run into the same thing we did over in John Anderson with because I don't want that going by my house these are the two Parcels here we're talking about and you could you could put that trail stub in right away whether there was a cul-de-sac or not well but if they end up with a cul-de-sac there that would be an ideal spot that would be shorter it'd be a shorter Trail yeah we also have um so you can see on here on our master plan there is a trail playing on the south edge of the property and connecting to the Sanyo crane nature area because they will have a road coming in right here to this is this is owned by the same family but it's not part of the development sounds like that might be up for sale or developed here fairly soon too I can't blame him yeah if they come back with a different plot plan with uh cul-de-sac in there we definitely need to get some kind of trailer some kind of trails up the north end of it yep I agree even if we do that trail in lieu of Park dedication fees or sometimes it's a combination yep right so is that is that any kind of you want to make a official motion I think we got one I don't think anybody made a motion yet Oh I thought you did Bill I'm sorry I kind of said word I was in favor of but I guess I could turn it into a motion go ahead I'm in favor of or I'll make a motion to accept the park dedication fee in lieu of land also add that trail into that and uh trying to get a trail from the the cul-de-sac to the north if that's if they change that way if the plot changes to a cul-de-sac there yeah and if if this plaque changes and we have time before our next meeting I'll bring it back so we have an official one to go off of two um like I said this one's kind of up in the air so Bill made a motion I'll second it motion's been made and seconded any more discussion hearing none all in favor say aye motion passes item seven Viking Metals concept plan discussion this is a discussion item on the Viking Meadows concept plan no action is required for tonight um development consists of approximately 160 Acres of which 115 acres are developable and is located at the at 1788 Viking Boulevard Northeast which is currently the Viking Meadows Golf Course it's part of the preliminary review staff has offered the following comments access Ingress and egress development will be accessible from Viking Boulevard Northeast and Sandhill Parkway Northeast for open space Capstone is proposed approximately 45 Acres of open and green space with within the 160 Acres of the development which includes over one a one acre community park space in addition to walking trails and unique landscaped buffers that is attachment two in your packet streets and cul-de-sacs along with utilities would be constructed in compliance with city code section 66 164 which requires the streets shall provide for future connections to adjoining undeveloped unsubdivided land for housing the plan consists of a a neighborhood of 250 to 350 new single-family homes in two lot styles with combination single level and multi-level or two-story floor plans city services the plan indicates the new single-family homes will each be connected to the city's sewer and water as a majority of developments within the Metropolitan urban service area Med Council has confirmed that the music boundary adjustment would be would require an amendment to the city's comprehensive plan to extend service to the parcel outside of the boundary the density for the development is 3.04 dwellings per acre which is within the 2040 comprehensive plan density range and close to the Target average of three dwellings in units per acre in the Musa and in fire environmental assessment worksheet this proposal will require an eaw which includes but not limited to a detailed evaluation of land use natural resources water use geological conditions traffic air emissions historical and archaeological resources impacts on future infrastructure and more staff is seeking comments from the park Commission in relation to the park and open space plan once a preliminary plan has been submitted the park commission will provide an official recommendation of Park dedication and we do have Matt Barker here from Capstone homes let's invite Matt up to kind of go over the plan and answer any questions you have I've also given you a handout that we had today that kind of shows a area that we're kind of looking at for um for the discussion tonight that's included on your up on your desk there high-tech diesel here tonight hopefully it'll stay after the whole presentation my name is Matt Barker thank you Nate for the introduction and thank you for your time tonight committee members I'm joined tonight by Heather lorch from Capstone as well Heather is my Park specialist at Capstone which is really been a lot of fun working with her as we've worked on designing this concept for a neighborhood here in East Bethel I just want to give you a quick overview Nate kind of ran through a few things but I'd like to just show the plan as you see it right now when we first came forward with this plan and did our public hearing a couple of weeks ago we did get a lot of feedback from Park Commissioners from the council and also from the the public and so we've been taking time over the last several weeks to actually continue to rework this plan and it's not in its final form yet and that's one of the reasons we're here tonight is we need to have some additional feedback we'd like to hear more from the park committee members and hear a little bit more about your thoughts as we continue to kind of work through what is needed to really make this concept become a reality here for East Bethel one of the really big components of that discussion came from somebody that was a part of the public the public hearing and they did mention concern about what our original proposal was which was a one acre Park and it was an active play area similar to what I have here on our on our display this was the original original plan which was just a one acre City Park and and through this whole process our our understanding was uh we would be we would be paying a park fee uh we anticipated that throughout the uh the initial discussions of this and then also making sure that we dedicated some land for that uh as Nate mentioned there are almost 50 acres of open space in this entire Community you can see we we had to stay away from a lot of different open areas throughout the plan in this lower section and then there's almost 30 Acres that are open space all throughout this area here where the city park is we after that public hearing we took some time to actually open up what exactly we could be using for active and passive Upland Parks Park land so instead of one acre our proposal to the park committee and and to the city is to increase that to eight Acres of space so it is a fairly substantial increase from what we originally anticipated providing for land yes go ahead quick quick question on that you said that was the original our original concept we presented was just this one acre city park space right here and that's the same as this one where's the eight Acres this chunk right here yeah so then what we did um we took we talked with City staff and they encouraged us to look at the possibility of this which currently is a is a a Green Wave right now so this is all Upland Acres so this in addition to the city park and then also this trail trail system that we've now plotted through that runs all the way through and connects back up to the southern part of the development and then there's sidewalks that go through this whole area too so you have a connection Trail to sidewalk that then basically loops and gets all the way back up to Sandhill Parkway up to Viking Boulevard or just reconnects to the city so there's this whole Loop of trails with the sidewalk through the neighborhood that are all consistent now this 8.1 is the Upland Acres that are available throughout here but like I said this whole open space it's somewhere around 30 Acres of open space okay there so yeah it looks like a lot of wetland and ponds which is really not you know it's got to stay open yeah and it's what's great about that and I like I said I'd like to have Heather share a little bit about this nature play space that we we've been doing in a couple of our different communities now and it's an awesome feature and uh what it does is it ties in with those Wetland and some of those open space features really well but creates a nature-based play that's for all ages for a lot of different people to really enjoy with the fees if we continue with a 350 unit Community here you're looking at over a half a million dollars in park fees that would be coming to the park committee that's the 1500 Park fee since we're putting in a trail system to go along with that so there's a lot of dollars that come to the park committee and by giving the additional Land by giving this 8.1 Acres of additional space our hope is that those dollars can then come back to help build this nature play area and if it's okay unless there's any questions I maybe can stop there and give folks just a little bit a chance to ask me questions if you do but I would like to follow it up and let Heather share a little bit about that nature play feature as well I don't I don't have a question but I these guys all know I love the off Street Trail segment there you know just to have the loop so just a comment so is all his face dedicated to Trails part of that 8.1 Acres yes that is trying to visualize where it was going from that one acre green box to the other green area there's not a yeah do you have the um the other side I presented to you it kind of Zooms in a little bit here we can kind of get a little closer look yeah I think I tried to shoot this over to you too so a little bit of perspective this Square you're looking at right here is a 40 acre parcel so out of that 40 acres but we're sitting about the halfway point of that is what's going to have homes in it the other half of that whole 40 acre statement and then it goes down into the lower section here and continues that kind of Zooms in a little bit there's I mean perspective wise it is a pretty big area there and I I do understand the comment that there is what is going to be your dry Wetlands so I think these are going to be some nice Grassy Meadows through here and then over here I believe Jack had mentioned maybe there's an opportunity along the trail to do or some some different ways to give people a place to stop and enjoy that nature connection that's out there so you do have the ditch that works through there so you might end up with a nice little bridge and some other fun features that could come into that trail system that top section there that's a little different color is uh that's the smaller homes these are the homes the smaller homes that back up to that okay and these are also the same so these are all homes against backing up to sort of this is just a regular road down in this lower section the current design we're working with these are cul-de-sacs that push in here so these are all homes that are backed up and looking out a whole lot is there a homeowners association that's going to take care of these trails and that sort of thing or will that be the city so there is anticipation of a homeowners association here on the bigger plan you can see that there's actually also an additional recreational space that we've got in that smaller Community or the Liberty single family homes area so that is going to be something that we right now anticipate will probably be H1 we also have some improvements on all of our entrances that will be HOA maintained as well so there is going to be an HOA just in that part of it though right that's I mean it'll be a master HOA so it'll be over the entire community um trails and maintenance of trails generally those would come to a park we would dedicate that land to the park for those to be maintained sorry to the city so the city would be maintaining those Trail systems and those two roads going north are those the only two roads into the development or is it possible to get in from the south side uh yeah great question the city is uh originally there was a 189th wizard connection uh City staff has said no to that being a connection so this is no longer a connection for Public Access it'll be an emergency access only we're walking through what that looks like right now then there's connect future connections to Future Parcels what was mentioned earlier this will actually become a future connection here so the main connections to current roads are sandhill and biking Boulevard and you do have improvements along Samuel Parkway am I correct on that are there is there is a sidewalk that's along Sandhill right now only down to Quick Trip so I was going to bring that up to you right here this so this is the elevage property that's being developed right now as part of that plan we have a easement for a trail connection uh it's about right here I think so this would in theory would connect right here so you could walk out of this development cut down into the elevage and get over to any first future commercial that takes place over here restaurants whatever so there's connection here and there's also a connection shown here they'll have to try and figure out with both developers and how that's going to look because originally we had a betrayal all along Sandhill Parkway but there wasn't enough money to pay for it at the time so it was taken out so they were hoping to have some kind of Trail connection for you know to get into this future commercial area grocery store or whatever they put in here from this part of the development and then here and then obviously if something takes place on this side coming south as well the the photos show some parking spots there too is there going to be parking at that Park yeah this so this is bump uh they call it pump out yeah parking area so when you come up to the park the the road widens out there so you can park alongside of it so yeah I believe that would that would definitely be something to consider it is a little interesting with the T right there so you'd have a little bit of consideration exactly how that tea works with that type of parking um we really when we put this together we saw this as a central focal point for the community so everybody coming in to the community is going to stop right there or from the other ways that that is a perfect place to make a nice three-way stop or whatever it looks like would work for that so how you would park on either side of that could be maybe adjust it a little bit to make something like that work is that one an existing part that you show on the picture there yeah absolutely Ramsay Yep this is in Ramsay and um yeah let's let's let me let Heathers come up and just kind of explain what this all entails this is pretty pretty special and I think uh she's got a little bit of material too so I'll let her share a little bit more on that thank you I may I have an article I have seven copies of an article I found this article today online um there how many of you are familiar with nature based so we've um I've been with Capstone first almost seven years I guess I don't have time we're married so my name is Heather Larch and I also work with Matt at Capstone and I'm a land manager for the land team and I've had the privilege of working with multiple cities to create an environment where we have optimal use of open space and Parkland to be able to enhance the community to bring areas for the homeowners and Greater Community to participate in the neighborhood and so at Riverstone this is a park in Ramsey we work very closely with the park board and the city staff to create what's called a nature-based play area and it's difficult to see here but um there's actually we actually graded a hill a natural hill here and then we worked with Saint Croix Recreation and a landscape architect and City staff to build oops sorry this wonderful raised area that has like a gang bridge and a slide and it's um and it it the the chamber is from Tamara is a Tamarack Timber that was imported from northern Minnesota and brought down and then there's also an area you can see briefly here where you can come up and take a look they're actually tree pucks that they cut and they the kids can move them around and they can create stepping stones and then right here they call it a stumpery and it's actually different levels of um tree stumps that the kids can walk up and down and just spend hours we actually took my grandson who was two at the time and my husband and I stood on either side and he walked around for almost a half an hour he just had the greatest time and then up here they call it a story area and it is just big stones limestones that create a circle for story time if anybody wanted to ever take their family there and have story time so the idea of nature-based play is to use natural elements to allow for Creative play for children and it it's really a wonderful opportunity for the families and children to to Really utilize the natural resources that are available the Landscaping here is mostly naturalized and just it's just very a very beautiful location and we would love to invite all of you to come down and and take a look at it and experience what the Riverstone park is all about we're also in the process of building one just South of Highway 10 in Ramsey that has a zip line and they've actually maintained a lot of the trees because there's a beautiful tree stand there so it'll just be like when we were kids and we would just go play in the woods um and we would spend hours and you know when the street lights came on we had to go home or when Mom rang the dinner bell we had to go home that's what these type of play environments are and that's what we try to create in our communities because we realize that a lot of children these days don't have the ability to um experience that anymore they have their screens or they go to the plastic playground and it's just not quite as organic and natural and and one of the things that Capstone tries to do is create environments where it's a little bit more natural play I think I asked Matt this when we when we met at the first meeting is it steep enough to do sledding on those Hills that you've created or is it um yes the back and the back you could we haven't seen that and there's a pond there so um but it's you know there's all sorts of of natural environmental opportunities for kids I haven't actually seen anybody walk around the lake um or the little bits it's actually a storm Pond but I haven't seen anybody walk around it when I've been out there and I don't know did you happen to notice last winter if anybody snowed down the back hill there certainly was enough snow last winter and and the ponds were frozen so um are there any other questions well where exactly is that this is in Ramsey do you know where North Fork Golf Course is yes yep it's just it's just on the um yep it's it's actually between Armstrong and Ramsey Boulevard um but I never it's to me it's on the north side of Highway 10 but I think it's really the east side of highway 10. and um and then and then we're also the Riverstone South is on the south on the south or west side of Highway 10 on the Riverside of Highway 10. 10 so it's just it's in the northernmost part of Ramsey um near the way station as well um so if you were to get off um actually you would come if you came through Andover and came down Bunker Lake Boulevard pretty much take Bunker Lake to the end and you'd run into Riverstone oh okay if that helps I was getting my bearings from here yeah yes ma'am liability you know we could certainly connect you um with the parks director at the city of Ramsey uh these parks are really his brainchild and he could really help help you coordinate um any concerns with with liability insurance and a similar question I was going to ask about it I don't want to assume it but it seems like it would be simple to maintain is there any feedback it really is simple we actually don't have any irrigation there Matt actually helps with um the HOA part of it and we have had some coordination because of the HOA with maintenance um but he can certainly speak to that yeah it's it's uh really it's a really interesting relationship so the city owns the park obviously and what we did is we entered into a maintenance agreement with the city through the HOA so the HOA takes the responsibility of going in uh and doing a rough cut on some of that on the back side here where some of this taller grass is and then they also come through and do like a leave cleanup and do some of the cleanup things so the HOA is in there every week doing their normal maintenance for uh the lawn care so they just were able to piggyback on top of that when it came to maintaining the actual structure and some of the logs and some of those things the city maintains that portion of it but the Natural Area there was a partnership between the city and and the HOA to help and it's not the one thing that is great about it it's a very low cost when I was writing the budget on this for maintaining it for the HOA it was a very low impact to the homeowners and to the association but it gives them the the ownership component of it they're they're invested in making sure that the park continues to look nice and is a good part for their community the other thing too Heather didn't mention we just finished up a natural Trail through an island in a lake of our community out in St Michael that was a lot of fun we can work on that for the last several weeks getting that all finalized and that just opened up and it's uh there's a little island and we actually built a little bit of a ramp out to this island that then people can walk through and enjoy the perimeter of the islands it's a it was a really neat feature we just had just had community of it was at 1200 homes when it's all finished up so fairly soon what did you say the main surface of most of that playground is the it looks like from here it looks like a crushed rock kind of thing or something that isn't it a small rock that's through there there's so there's some Turf artificial turf underneath the structure itself and there's rubber a rubber underside of it so it's softer and then beyond that it goes into I believe it's like a pea gravel smaller smaller rock around there yeah it's a real small fighting Rock is there any ADA compliance or anything like that I think that I don't know if you worked through that but that's one of the components that's nice about this this is a ramp that kind of goes up all the way around gives people access to the top structure and then out but you know once you get into any play structure where you have to have the landing surface be soft and malleable for injuries there's not a lot of ADA access through that type of a subsurface so this does add that and gives people an opportunity if there's Ada issues to get up to the top and actually enjoy some of the panoramic viewpoints up there there's that bench up on top or even across the bridge is a wide Bridge made to you or your team have any concerns or anything with that guy we're still getting used to the idea where we'll be working with them as we go through this process on it okay I like it anybody else have any questions or comments discussion is there any opportunity for it like I've seen just on the news and of other cities that have developed their own you know kind of Natural Parks or whatever and sometimes they have like an educational component where they have Gardens and stuff the kids can do something like educational value with that is there any um input on anything like that I believe that having a nature place like this opens up that opportunity for a Parks Board a Parks committee to really engage that whether it's through Partnerships with DNR I know the DNR loves to come and do educational seminars with cities and communities or through Minnesota that the colleges and the universities they really enjoy those kind of things too so when you tie it especially when you tie it into the Watershed or to the Wetland areas that are behind it there is a lot of learning opportunity there so I I absolutely believe there's plenty of opportunity that would come with that um I know in our other Riverstone Community where they're just getting started right now there's some really cool habitat that's there in the trees and so the parks director is really excited about educating the community about some of those habitats that are part of their trees that are in that development a little bit different than here this is a pretty open space most of the trees that are in the community are trees that were put in there by the golf course we're working around some of that a lot of this open space that's here there's going to be a lot of tree structure that will remain in there but there's also some changes with storm ponding and how we have to water control in there too it's definitely in an area that we've identified as needing and wanting a park too so Matt is there any additional trails that you guys are working on now that will connect to some of these cul-de-sacs or any internal trails that aren't showing on here that you guys are that you see or is it all going to be pretty much it's all sidewalk in there yeah we've we've worked with the idea of trails in front of homes you know running through a front yard of a house and it it really is difficult to keep those maintained because there's a lot of impact on a trail through a front of a home yeah so we've stayed with the sidewalks so the trail going through open space to sidewalks in the internal portion of the Community where the homes are at just to keep that trail system protected what about like kind of like on this one you show uh like this Trail connecting through here do you have any is there any I guess is there anything you guys are working on that's not showing on the plan yet I know a lot of the internal streets aren't showing right so you know you got to Trail through here yep there's no other additional Trail other than what we're showing that is what was the name of that trail cytasca Trailhead so right North is a big Itasca Regional Park and so that trail connects to that runs through the community and then back out on the south of the community so that was why that trail trickled through there it runs through storm water ponds basically connects back up to the park and then and then out through the southern part of it so the Itasca Park is right on the north side this is this big Park here it's not developed or anything but it is future development so the trail comes across Alpine and it does it stays right here in the storm Pond structure and water where the wetlands is and then it comes down here comes back and stays along the storm ponds and then it goes to sidewalk here and then it does catch more Trail here and then back to sidewalk but it also turns right here and you can see where it turns and then goes out to the city's main Drive Puma there where it connects into this so I I definitely believe there's opportunity for more discussion on it I don't I've been saying all along we're open to understanding what what the city would like to see happen so if there's opportunities to maybe direct that trail in different ways I think our main goal is just to show it's a little bit unique I know in your proposals you said usually it's land or dollars and we're wanting to do both we're wanting to put all the dollars in and also include land um and and with that just the hope of of some good conversations it creates some flexibility to make sure that there's good opportunities for what could be 350 new homeowners in this area plus you have elevage coming in as well so there's is there any Parkland on the Yellow Box Thing what's that was there any Parkland in the elevage the trails in reference to that map right there where is elevation is it elevator needs to okay right right there yes what does that does that trail connect to the Isle of us trails uh so on elevage we have a trail easement that will connect I think it's just north of this Pond a great in this area there's a connection and then the elevage also has a trail that connects to the South uh towards the Osborne property and then there's a trail that just a little stub that connects up through here too so this proposal doesn't does not include that or it wouldn't it well I could easily make a connection right here okay yeah we we have not seen elevage's plan to know how that connection will need to work but there's no concern with us making that connection if it was got it we have to work on some sewer and water connections and stuff like that there's so there's still a lot of moving Parts on both of these proposals I like what I see yeah I do too thank you yeah I appreciate the feedback that's what we were hoping to do is just spend some time talking with you and hearing a little bit more about you as a committee and how you guys are looking for the growth of your Parks here in the city so thank you for the time to spend in discussion tonight thanks for having me thank you thank you thanks Heather appreciate expanding our brands all right item eight city council report Tim you got anything for us we've been pretty busy on a variety of things up there right now as you know we had another successful booster Day event we'll conclude that tomorrow night with a meeting kind of a degree debriefing and we will start making some plans for next year Nexus is wrapping up it's taking a lot of time but we feel the console by taking its time that it's due diligence and it is working out what we feel is the best we could do for the city and its residents keep in mind when we table something it's not because we haven't read it it's because we need more information and to fill in the blanks and the numbers we take a lot of pride in the extra work we put in our residents expect that of us and uh we're trying to do the best we can by making sure that every blank spot is covered and we need to know from both sides what's going to work and we want to make working relationships with businesses that come here and it's the best way to do it is to sit down and talk um when we talk about what has happened tonight in terms of Hidden Prairie and strongly I want to tell you I agree with what you're saying I think that's the right direction to go I'm happy you came up with that concept and we're looking forward to seeing some of this down the road here I'm not going to speak too much on Viking Meadows because we've got some meetings coming up with them I know we've got a meeting this week and we're going to continue to try and iron some stuff out here for the residents and for that development because we really would like to see something come in there we've done our research on Capstone they are a very good local company they built a lot of nice houses throughout the area and around the state and it's just a matter of sitting down and doing the work needed to make sure that it's the right fit and right look for East Bethel other than that um budget the budget has really been a Hot Topic lately we've had a couple meetings on that we've already directed staff to come in and sharpen their pencils a little bit obviously we'd like a zero percent increase in in the budget for next year we know that's not a reality but we're going to go through everything line by line and hopefully we can get it down to about two or three percent uh which would be a huge Plus for us and the residents and uh pretty much so that's all I got for a council report thanks Tim thank you I have a question Tim um Ham Lake is putting in a service road south of Route 65 there do we know where that's coming out is that coming out on the back side there they're not building the service road right now they're just clearing that land okay um we jack met with their City administrator to talk about maybe applying for a MnDOT Grant to connect that at some point uh to connect up to would be it's Baltimore now but it's actually considered Sandhill Parkway okay and they're working with the developer there that wants to maybe do some stuff on the down there as well because everybody keeps asking about it and they're like well that's where the quick trip is I'm like no no that does not no the Ham Lake portion from what they've put ham Lake's told us and what they've told us is they're putting in a Christmas tree farm and uh basically just getting it ready for development I think is what okay it's owned by uh Investment Group so okay I was just curious if they were going to come into our like connect up to eastbound if they're gonna be on the county road or what they were going to do it'll connect eventually to where that hard 90 is when you're coming off 181st there there's a little stub that would run down past Burger King eventually is what kind of the overall concept would be okay they'd probably cut they'd probably lose that access at Ham Lake liquor there to the highway okay that's part of the deal when you get these grants from MnDOT is we have to reduce the access points on Highway 65 is kind of the trade-off you know kick some money back to us that would sure help traffic though in the Viking uh metal okay that area right yeah because you'd be able to go all the way from Viking down across town you can get out of that intersection and you take off an exit entrance to Highway 65. and to keep some of the local traffic off of the mainline Highway if they're just running up to the grocery store or liquor store whatever they're going and going well and they're going to redevelop that Crosstown intersection anyway right or just upgrade the lights whatever I don't know for sure on that one um well MnDOT was here at the town hall meeting so most of their Focus right now is Blaine okay they're going to start at Highway 10 and work North all right cool thanks man thank you Nate you got anything just one quick thing uh I think it was Denise Centauri um deal on the kayak rentals as an option for maybe John Anderson Park I've been speaking with the people that run it thanks a lot thank you thank you um so what they are is they're self-serve kayak rental setups or this would work actually at Lake Beach too if somebody wanted to do it down there at the community center but um they have The Kayaks the paddles the life jackets all in there they take care of all the uh setup and all the maintenance on it the city has to pay an upfront fee and then all the profits are split 50 50 from the whoever owns the property and the in the company so a four a four unit kayak um I think you've got a picture of the mirror so there's been coming four eight and twelve um they're 3 500 per kayak so I think it'd be about 14 Grand for a five-year lease and then you get half of that money back that's made on a profit so something to think about when we're talking budgets I've seen some of these pop up uh more down in the cities more it's a little bit of a little expensive to get started I think right now but it might be come down in price a little bit too so well I know a lot of people like to bring their kayaks to Coopers or Cooper's Lake so John Anderson would be an ideal place for boys used to go there all the time with kayak we take everything like a lot too going down by the community center and drop in there uh up on the northern part there where we did that nature trail yeah that's the John Anderson no no not oh and Fish Lake yeah uh they they had a deal where they were going to leave a canoe there and I don't know whatever happened to that the uh someone borrowed it [Music] yeah they have a they had a yep you're right too it was a fish lake and they were going to do a canoe rental yeah set up there there is a dock that goes out there and then you can access it maybe with the buffalo that's so that'd be that's not a good leg for it too that's all right we can just try it at one and see how it works with liability they well according to the proposal I didn't get too far into the weeds with it but they assume all liability um basically you download like everything nowadays you download an app on your phone and uh you put in your credit card and it gives you a code to unlock it and you take it and you're if you don't bring it back they charge your credit card so then also it's a self-service deal yep I think you're providing it if someone were to to get hurt yeah who's responsible I'm not sure yeah that that would be a little bit so probably the same that would happen if you fell off the playground equipment I don't know if somebody drowned because they fell off of it you know but just curious this is what we want to pursue that's that's an option out there it's kind of different than what we've had in the past I think Lake on one of their proposals for the new cool Lake um yeah I think it was in there they had that on there so maybe we let them do it and see how it goes there you go yeah yeah learn from their mistakes or well I just thought it was kind of interesting it seemed like a no-brainer since we don't have to buy The Kayaks right all that right make some money back it's a very cool concept you could be you could be generating a little bit of Revenue Maybe but it's a great lake for it too with no motor boats yeah so we had a um theft of all the electrical wire at the outdoor rink again at the ice arena so we have an insurance claim going in a police report I'm probably seeing people that did it a few years ago do we have cameras outside of the rink do they know who did it no we do not we cut all the pulled all the wire out of the lock door lights remember the lights we just put up not that long ago we got a proposal for that we're gonna have to uh try and figure out a way to beef that up they talked about maybe electrifying everything so it was hot all the time what could go wrong other than that some little kid you mentioned booster day went well um that's all I've got if anybody else's any questions or anything else for us [Music] I have I've been in conversations with them I showed to have something for so for next for our next meeting we're looking at doing it at link each is that okay with everybody it would be uh outdoors in the Pavilion unless it's raining we could maybe talk to them about moving it inside there can we look at the softball field and all the improvements down there too at the same time yeah it's a little bit uh it's you'd have to probably drive your car over to take a look at that but the fencing just got completed this week on that and they're doing their tryouts for next year on it we've got a little bit of uh black dirt work to do down there and some stuff yet but uh it looks pretty nice we're gonna put doggo covers on this fall and winter as well too so have we had any feedback from the smoke they are ecstatic about it oh that's really looks good yeah it's fun to see them there yeah so I had a question about that just driving by there's there's cars parked in and around the Outhouse that's there in the grassy Underground when they're practicing in place no no I think people like I can talk to it is it in the Outfield and they think their car is going to get hit by the ball the parking lot's not no the chance of getting hit by a ball it's more where they're at than yeah I think they're just parking Fields close to the field and maybe there's shade maybe or if they're unloading gear they're kind of by that could be yeah don't they have that little Shack kind of thing yeah there was one vehicle that does Park kind of down in right next to the Outhouse and there were three or four when we left we drove by there today that were playing around there seems like a weird spot to park but it's in the grass yeah and I'm sure it's probably because we can get in the shade and a lot of sunbeating on the car sounds like that would be a target for a fall ball down there it would definitely that would be yeah more chance of your car getting hit there than in the parking lot for sure exactly um kind of with regards to that skate park too I've been watching that and I have I drive by there quite often and I have not seen one kid at that skate park all summer long that's unfortunate the one over here gets used day and night yeah there's just yeah no problem with the skateboard part is but I the feedback I am getting is it's not safe what's there is that safe I've Been Told together with him okay he said he don't he won't let any of his kids or any of their friends to plan it because it's not safe is it damaged or or something worn out it's worn it's pretty Old Second Hand so that'll be kind of the main topic of that meeting down there we'll invite the neighborhood to discuss what we have planned for next year down there and uh go over the skateboard park the playground and any other improvements for the park they just repaved the parking lot there I saw yesterday the other things stay off I'll have the the problem with some of these skateboard things uh the ones that are designed for cities are expensive you can find the same thing for uh you know the homeowner style that's a tenth of the price but the uh we're required to buy the OSHA approved type stuff right the safety yeah so but we will have those hopefully then for that meeting to talk about half pipe and maybe if we're going to redo that is there any way to make Bonnie sledding hill we could make a Flooding at least we just have to find a location I've got plenty of material location [Laughter] we'll take her on her scooter without it we don't want to give anybody any ideas put some Sleds on it well I'll just add to this as long as we're on it instead of getting in front of everybody and making a big hula I'm open to anything that anybody has to say in the community this one individual has offered a put out some money possibly and Mike I mean I would love to see a little piece of playground equipment for the kids for the ball field but then we've got to take that big slab of concrete out and that's that's quite a bit of money and if there's some way we can utilize that and it just means flipping hands sure you're talking where the uh the skateboard park is okay got it yeah if we were to put something a little yeah playground or something instead something right it's another thing to look at wish list maybe we could put in a shuffleboard outdoor meeting should we start it a little earlier good if everybody can make it everybody makes six I think it's going to be getting darker earlier too we usually started our meetings on our tours earlier just to accommodate if it's okay everybody else we can I can start at 3 30. we're retired so you know [Music] go too early then six o'clock works for me if it works for you guys it works for me are we gonna have a bus or are we gonna we'll just meet there okay they explain that small piece there you go we can check out the new outdoor area I thought that was Tim's job [Laughter] I'm volunteered I like it I just finished I went there anybody have anything else been made when second seconded to adjourn all in favor say aye all right