All right, 6:30. So, I will call the meeting to order. First item is to adopt the agenda. >> So, moved. >> Seconded. >> Motion's been made and seconded to adopt tonight's agenda. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Agenda passes. Item three, approve the minutes from the August 12th, 2025 meeting. >> Second. Motion's been made and seconded to approve the minutes. Is there any discussion? >> Oh, they look good. >> Hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> And the minutes are approved. Item four, park financial information. Nate, you want to give us your summary? >> So far, um, as you see on the print out there, we haven't taken anything out of either fund, but we did purchase the zip line that has been installed out here. We just have to hook the cable on and that'll go on hopefully tomorrow. Um, turned out I think it's going to be pretty nice. We had to buy some wood chips for it and the edging we had in place already. So, it'll be about 22,000 will come out of the park um capital fund. So, that'll be around $153,000 balance in there. Um we still have a little bit more few items to purchase for this year, but uh looking at maybe doing um the pad for the pickle ball out in East Booster West yet still this fall if we can squeeze it in, but nothing in the park acquisition and development fund. >> You said the pickle ball would come out of that capital fund. >> Yes. Yep. >> Can I just say people are beyond excited for that to happen >> for pickle ball? Yeah. We originally were talking about doing a pickle ball at Viking um Meadows Golf Course as a as a possibility. We talked with the developer. I think we're going to kind of shelf that for right now. And if we do build pickle ball courses or courts, put them all together in Booster West. Seems like people want a group of them together more than just individual ones. Kind of >> Well, I think they want to run their own tournaments and things. >> That's a big part of it. They'd run some huge huge groups. They'd like to see 10 if if we would build it, but that's not in our budget. But >> Nate, Nate, can you remind me too on on that one? Was that going to be a twocourt >> or what? Where did we land on that? Did we >> um We're looking at two to four to start. >> Two to four to start. >> Kind of in that it depends on uh what kind of cost we get everything. >> Thank you. >> And that's here at Booster >> Booster West. Yeah. >> I think that's the only place we have really available. It's >> not real close to any houses and uh we have parking available. We have Okay. >> So, >> it's kind of flat there already for the tractor poles. >> Yep. Is there space enough to expand it in the future? >> Yes. Yep. The only negative part is it's a little bit of a walk from the parking lot over to the court. You kind of go around the skateboard park and the playground. It's kind of the area we're looking at. It's about as good as we can do. >> You can warm up then. >> Yep. Yeah. >> The equipment is light. >> Yep. >> Right. Just a paddle and a ball. Yeah. >> Isn't it a whiffle? >> I don't know. >> Yeah, it's almost like a whiffle ball. >> That's really light. >> On the second page there is the park maintenance budget. We're at 72% uh going into the last quarter of the year though, so we should be okay. A few of the items are over, but a lot of them are underneath still. I'm not too concerned. We don't have any big uh worries in that budget at all. >> Good. Excellent. Barring snow, right? >> Barring uh calling snow storms again. Yep. >> And how did our part-time employees work out? >> We had two excellent ones this year. >> Oh, good. >> Yep. >> Were they interested in staying to because I see we need people for the ice arena. >> Uh both of them were going to school, so it's kind of difficult for them. One of them is actually a teacher, so he teaches in the fall and through the winter time, but >> we do have five seasonals right now at the ice arena. We're kind of looking for one more if anybody knows of anybody like to have six there just to kind of give some flexibility because sometimes some of the shifts have two guys working for some of the bigger games, high school games and the the outlaw junior team that's been playing there. So, >> how is that working out? >> So far so good. Yep. They've had a few games uh pretty well attended. Um yeah, they've got their own locker room kind of storage area that they brought in behind the ice arena that they keep for themselves. So >> for your um staff, do they have to have their license and be 16? At least >> they have to be 16. Um to get there, they probably need a driver's license. We did hire a young man who lives right behind there that didn't have his driver's license yet. He's planning on getting it this winter. Okay. Um, as long as you can get there in time and get a ride home, it's >> Yeah. >> How you get there? >> Yep. >> We show them how to run the Zamboni. It's a lot of just running the Zamboni and doing uh cleanup basically. It's pretty >> pretty easy job. >> Well, that would be the bonus. The Zamboni. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Drive the Zambon is fun. Everybody should get a turn at that. >> Well, maybe our next offite everybody gets to drive the Zamboni. >> Oh, whoa. all show up for that meeting. >> Yeah, I'm I'm up for that. >> Me, too. >> Garfish in the in the arena, everybody shows up for those meetings. >> Any other questions on the uh >> actually it looked really good. Surprised because normally there's some weird anomaly at this time of year. >> Yeah, it looked really good. >> Two two months left in the year and >> yeah, we're looks great. >> Good job. And then we get to keep this money if we save it, right? >> The city gets to keep the money. >> Good. >> Start all over again. Yeah. Goes into the >> Anything else on the park financials, guys? >> All right. Item five, park dedication and trail dedication fees. So, we we went over this in the spring of 2023, but uh we made a change to the park commission and the um to the park dedication fees along with the city council to uh set a fixed rates for new developments for based on the number of plots in there. Before that, we had a system that was based on the value of the property. It was kind of cumbersome. It brought up some chance chances for uh disagreements and valuations and some extra costs that the city would incur. So, we we went with a flat rate of $2,000 um per lot on single family homes and $1,500 per lot for multifamily homes, town homes, apartments, those type of things. They did get a discount if they had some uh public recreation facil facilities on site. And then for commercial development, it was just a flat rate of $2,000 per acre. Um we also talked about the trail dedication fee. We had that ordinance in our in our uh code that required develop developers to build new trails and and uh sidewalks in every development and the city hadn't ever really enforced that based on kind of an didn't think it was needed I guess at the time. So, we looked at doing a instead of uh having to make a decision on that, just doing a um trail dedication fee. And the recommendation from the park commission was $1,200 per lot if they don't build the trails. That never made it to city to the planning commission because right around that time, our community development director left. So, that the planning commission hasn't weighed in on it yet. What we're looking to do um based on some comments from the city council at the last meeting is looking at possibly raising the park dedication fee and going forward with that trail dedication fee. The number they threw out was $4,000 for the park dedication fee for single family homes per lot and $1,000 per lot for a trail dedication fee. >> A th000 did you say >> a thousand? Yeah. >> Okay. So it's pretty close to what you guys said for that. I think we had,200. >> So where would that money go for that part or for that trail dedication fee? >> So the trail dedication fee would require a change to this the city code. We'd have to add that um as a way to take cash in lie of uh trail dedication or trail construction actually and we'd have to set up a dedicated fund just for that money and it can only be used for trails. you realize we did have a trail fund. >> Yeah. And it was taken away. >> It was taken away. >> Yep. And that's a little bit different setup there. That wasn't a trail dedication fee. It was a trail there was a transfer fund. So So our on our two on our two uh funds here, this park acquisition development fund cannot be taken away. This is from developers. It by law it has to be used for capital park improvements or given back to the developer. Those are pretty much the only two options for that money. The park capital fund is a general fund transfer. So, this money in theory could be taken out if it was emergency or whatever. City council decided they didn't want to use that money for parks anymore. >> So, the trail dedication fee would >> the trail dedication would be the same as the >> park acquisition. >> Yep. No, it's g >> the trail would be trail dedication would be the same as the park acquisition and development. Okay. >> They would be set aside only for those purposes or they would have to be given back to the developer. >> Well, it'd be kind of disappointing to see it get built up again and then all of a sudden just disappears. >> Yeah. This would protect that with this way it's set up now. >> We did have a pretty nice chunk in there. >> Yeah. We had grants and all kinds of stuff. >> Yeah. There's some of us that don't forget that. >> Yeah. It's not that we're bitter. >> 180,000. Y >> So, so essentially Nate, we would end up with a third >> a third line. Yeah. >> A third fund that we would manage. >> Correct. >> The park acquisition fund could only be used for parks. The trails could only be used for trails. >> The parks in theory could be used for trails, too. That that would still qualify for that. Okay. >> The trail would have to be for trails, though. >> Okay. And then the capital could go to improve anything. >> Yeah. We changed this um I think you said it or you were getting to it um roughly was it about a yearish ago? >> It was the spring of 2023. >> So a year and a half >> year and a half or so. >> Yep. Yep. >> Um and that went from a a percentage or amount of the land value to this per unit which makes it easier for the city. Um, do you have any idea in the last year and a half what difference or, you know, is it roughly the same amount we've collected or with it with it being at the 2,000 that we're at now? >> With the two examples that we've had since then, um, it's hard to it's hard to say on the Viking Meadows one because that one they they dedicate so much land. They constructed quite a few trails. Um, a bridge. The bridge alone was $100,000 that they put in there. Um, and then on top of that, they're paying $1,500 per single family home. So, that one is it's hard to hard to compare. The other one we had was a 20 um unit or 20 lot development, and those were basically the same as before. Every city that I've researched around here does it this way with a set fee per acre. It makes it easier for the developer. They know what they're getting into ahead of time. The city knows what they're going to have ahead of time for planning. There's no uh legal fees involved with trying to different do different appraisals, that kind of thing. So, >> yeah. And I guess is where I'm going with it is I I agree with the structure that we have now. I think it's just a matter of what's that right dollar amount to put per unit. >> Yeah. Um, you know, I I look at um some of the the developments that that the city put in um and if there's I would say a smaller development but yet smaller in the number of homes going in >> but yet they're spread out, it's hard to justify. You know, we take, you know, $4,000 per unit and there's, you know, maybe there's a small development, maybe there's only four or eight homes going in there. Um, I don't is the goal that every development is going to end up with a park and and I don't I'm all for parks. >> Yeah. >> But I don't necessarily think that we need a park in every development, >> right? >> That being a waste of >> Yeah. >> resources. Resources. So, so to to invest that money and have more money and to to actually finally have some money to to actually do some cool projects and really develop and enhance the parks that we have now. >> Um, I think some of the more dense areas, you know, we're still going to take in the same amount. Maybe we're going to have enough money and in those more dense we're uh not the real residential, but the the more residential, the ones right along 65 here, >> right? you know, where the people have the smaller yards. >> Well, even like >> then we really need to consider putting a park in there so that there is green space for a dog to run and kids to play a game of ball or whatever, >> right? >> Because even when you have a farm where the families divide the farm up into different lots and build, you know, houses, we're not going to put a park in there, right? When they divide it into four lots. >> Well, we don't want to end up with more deer havens. >> Yeah. maintaining parks that nobody uses. They're uh >> Yeah. >> Mike Rod and Norma Smith. >> Real quick, does everybody have I think someone's cell phone is close to the microphone. You get that ticking noise up on there. >> Mine is on the floor. >> No, I'm still going. We've had to deal with that for a while. >> It's coming from over there. Is it that microphone there? >> No, it's it's a problem we have with our audio system. We've been trying to get it figured out for a while. >> Ghost in the system. Sometimes micro some if cell phones are on the dice, they'll cause feedback to the the microphone, but >> um I I guess is where I'm going with it is I am in favor of increasing it. Uh but I also want to be >> fair >> fair. Um you know, the the developer is the that's going to end up paying it, but they're going to pass that C cost on to the homeowner, >> right? >> So, that's kind of the, >> you know, is is does this need to go I know council brought it to us, but does it also need to go to planning commission or anything like that just to does it fit with the the um the vision of the city as far as the amount of development that they want and stuff like that, too. So, you know, don't get me wrong, I would love to set it high because I' i'd love to have some some budget to start doing some cool projects. >> Sure. >> So, >> that was that's my concern as well. Are we going to discourage because what I'm hearing or seeing is maybe we're higher than our neighbors. Are we going to discourage development come in because of this? >> This is a breakdown. I updated the numbers from when we did it in 2023 based on some of our neighbors and comparable cities. Ham Lake was at 2500. Hulk Grove is at 2,300. I was 1,500. St. Francis was 2500. Forest Lake 2500. Andover was 5,256. I don't know how they get that. >> They're a little denser. And then they've got they've got the ice arena and all that stuff going on over the community center. Cambridge 1600, Blaine 4,894, Columbus 1525, and Rapids is 2500. So, >> was this from when you did the analysis back in 23 or is this current? >> These are updated numbers. >> They are updated. Okay. Thank you. >> A couple of them went up. A lot of some of them stayed the same, but a few of them went up. >> Okay. >> There is a legal component to this as well. Um, there was a a case, I think it was in Burnsville, where a developer sued the city. It's more focused on the commercial side of things, but the guidance from the from the league and from the other attorneys is that whatever money we are requesting for our dedication, we have to be able to show that we have a need for that, which we do with our park capital improvement plan. Um, we have to be able to show that the money justifies projects that the city has planned. So that's one of the one of the sticking points that our attorney mentioned, but I think we have that all covered in our capital improvement plan. We're always falling short on our projects and and stuff. So >> that makes sense. >> The commercial side is a little bit dicey because they uh they're they're saying commercial um properties don't really contribute to park usage. The flip side is most cities say that it's needed for the benefit of this of the community that they're located in. So the commercial sides may be a little bit dicey on the legal side, but I think it's pretty well pretty well established for the residential side. You build the homes, you're going to have families. It's going to put you're going to have a need for more recreation, parks, open space, trails, >> right? >> It will go to the planning commission on the trail fee because that's going to require a uh change to the city code. And then from there, we're going to probably hopefully have it after a recommendation from the park commission plan. We're going to have in the planning commission on the 28th of October. I'll go to that meeting and explain. They won't really have to weigh in on the on the uh park dedication value, but we can just certainly get their input on it. It's just a change to our fee schedule. So, it's not a really big process. It won't probably go into effect until January 1st if a change is made. So, >> well, I guess I I personally am in favor of making a small increase. Um, and we can revisit it again in a year and depending on how it worked, we can adjust it again. U, but before I say that, for sure, I' I'd like to when you guys are ready, kind of just talk about the trail side of it a little bit. >> Yeah. I'm kind of curious. Do we want to be more specific on what we mean by a trail or are we just going to kind of leave that open-ended for us to decide when we need to make the trail? >> What you mean like what qualifies as a trail? >> Right. >> We're taking the the trail dedication fee would be in lie of building actual offset trails >> or sidewalks >> or some of them are sidewalks. Yeah. So it would fall under those two categories of what could be built with it is the way I see it. >> So there was the development over this way that >> I think there was no sidewalks going in there. >> No. >> Where was there those old part? >> Yeah. Where I said we need to put something in there because that corner is so dangerous. >> Was I think there was nothing going? So, this is a case where we would have been able to say if you're not putting in a trail, >> we're going to collect if if we were to move forward with this, we were we would collect that money to put into a trail fund >> that we could use >> anywhere in the city >> for a trail. Is that correct? That's correct. That's kind of what we're talking >> for that. Okay. >> So, that would have been rural residential. So, they would have been required to put a trail on one side of the street. And our ordinance already says that. Correct. >> Correct. >> So it would just be changed then to say that >> or the city cash or >> they're doing cash and we have the say >> of what gets done. >> Yep. Well, the park commission would make a recommendation to city council. Yes. And city council. >> Exactly. Sorry. That's what I meant. >> Yep. So, where's everybody sitting as far as the fee amount for the um not the trail but the other period? >> That was my concern. >> Park dedication. >> Yeah, the park dedication. >> Are we discou do you guys feel like we're discouraging it? Because to me it seems like we're a little high. >> I know the last time we based it on surrounding areas. So we had looked at St. Francis and Oak Grove >> and we kind of tried as I remember >> we kind of went in the middle >> looking at Ham Lake. We maybe wanted to be more in line with Ham Lake, but Isani is our neighbor. Yep. 4,000 I think is a pretty significant increase compared to the neighborhoods around us. Other than >> uh Cambridge or I'm sorry, Blaine and Andover, which probably have a lot more to offer. They have like >> quite a bit more people that they're ser serving and the demand is much higher too probably >> at this point. >> Do you know if those cities also have a trail ordinance? >> Andover does. Ramsey does. The other ones I do not think have a trail a trail fee >> fee. >> They require trails to be built in certain areas. >> So do you think that they're they built in their trail fee into their park? Yeah, like Lane has sidewalks in all their developments. Um, Andover has trails in most of their developments. >> Yeah, >> and sidewalks. The ones up Prairie Road and stuff, those all have trails. >> Yeah, some of their some of them they had the asphalt right or sidewalks next to the major roads. >> Yeah. >> What if we were to just suggest raising it to 3,000 rather than 4,000? It's not quite as steep. We're higher than those towns that we're speaking of better or cities that we're we're referring to. But still, it's an increase because what are we at? 2,000. So, it'd be $1,000 per unit higher. Is that still too steep? Do you guys feel? >> That's that's the number I have in my head. >> I don't think that's out. It's not as extreme in my opinion. >> Yeah, we could always revisit it in a year or two. >> It can be reviewed every year with the fee schedule. >> Yeah. Right. >> The fee schedule is really easy to change. U we just go through that every year. We can make a recommendation on that. >> So if if everybody is okay with that, where are we at with the trail side of it? >> Are we are you saying do that and not do a trail or should >> Oh, no. I think we should still do the trail >> and I'm comfortable with >> vacation is a good idea >> not knowing what others do do we know what the other cities might >> um >> for the trail. Yeah. >> Um they had they had it in the I think it was like 1,500 and 1,600 or something like that. >> Okay. So we're kind of in line with with that. >> I'm not uncomfortable with a thousand. I don't know what the rest of you think. >> Do you know why in our thing here it said we decided on 1,200? Well, how did we get to,200 in the past? >> You guys decided on that. >> I think we were at 1,500 and 85,000 thousand was too not enough and 1500 was too high, I think. >> So, do we want to go back to 1,200? Keep it at 1,200 or Well, we haven't ever really had that approved, right? So, this is the first time we're going to go >> never been implemented, >> but we're increasing the the per unit for the m the single family. Do we want to go 1,200 and 3,000 or do we want to go 1,000 and >> the trail is a separate fund. So >> what was that? >> The trail is a separate fund. >> Yeah. Yep. I know. I'm just thinking because they're still paying the same group that's trying to build is still going to pay all of this, right? >> Yeah. So developer would come in with they'd be end up paying with what you're saying if it was a,000 3,000 end up paying 4,000 out of pocket, >> right? th000 will be dedicated trails, >> but a chunk of the 3,000 could also be used for trails. Correct. >> Correct. >> That's part of that park acquisition fund that can be used for trails, too. >> Mike, our finance director, maybe thought about even just combining it into one. >> Um, just for simplicity, he was checking on that. We'll we'll give that information to the city council once I hear back. >> I think that would get messy. >> I would rather not combine it. It would be nice to have our own trail. >> We really have a hard time getting trail, >> right? >> I mean, look, it's look what's happening to Baton. Like, it's taking forever or John Anderson even little >> if we have it separate. Then we know what we have, right? >> That sort short section on baton that's done is used every day. >> It is busy. dozens of people. >> Lots of kids on bikes >> and it just ends at 225th. >> It just it would be used a lot more if we had the rest of it done, >> right? >> And there's a lot of young people would have moved into that neighborhood. >> Yeah. Our neighborhood too. Every all the neighborhoods are flipping now from >> turning over >> back to little kids. But if we have a separate fund, at least that's something that we can >> look to and go, "Hey, you know, we've got this and our trails fund. Let's add a little bit out of the out of the other fund and let's get a trail done." >> Mhm. >> Cuz we've been working on trails for 20 years and not gotten anywhere. >> Wow. Well, we got that little segment done on baton. >> Yeah. A lot. a block and a half, >> right? >> I will say I've been back on the trails and liking meadows. That's going to be really nice back in there. >> But then we caught it early. That's the thing is we need to do it before these >> for people that live in that neighborhood. You're going to have a really nice walk around the pond and make a nice loop. Like I said, they put in a bridge. It was $100,000 for the bridge. >> And the bridge they put in is kind of what we need at some of our wetland crossings. It's a elevated boardwalk basically. It's only Uh, I don't know, maybe 30, 40 ft long. It was $100,000. >> But it's going to last a long time, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Tim, if you have anything you want to add to our discussion, feel free. Um, you know, do these numbers that we're kind of talking, the 3,000 and 1,000, do they kind of seem like they would work with uh what the city council had discussed at the work meeting? >> Sounds like council discussed 4,000. That was a little higher. By all means, East Bethl is in a very unique situation becoming a buffer between country and the city because of that. There's no reason that 3,000 is a great number. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see it shoot for four because I'd like to see what this actual group can do with some money. Otherwise, we're going to we're not really going to be adding substantial amounts unless we start talking the price a little bit. Um, nobody wants to raise prices. Everybody wants to go. They think this is the place to go. East isn't cheap anymore. Our land is not cheap. Our scenery is second on the cities. And it's something that I think should take into consideration these For example, if you can get around8.1% of the value of the house, that's right in line with what we should be collecting. Now, these houses are going 400 460. So, when we start talking $3,000 plus the $1,000 trail fee, we're coming right. We're actually coming in a little bit less than what um if you look at the state statutes that are out there that have decided what we can charge, charge 5500 out of line for this area at all. I think it's a dramatic chunk that shouldn't take. I think anywhere between that three and four is where we need to be. Um and council will support that 100%. We also know that this uh commission has been short changed so to speak from different projects that went on in the past. It's time to catch up. This is the one department that hasn't been able to catch up. U and by doing some of these changes, we're really making a solid investment into our park system, establishing that money for our trails that we can use. Um and then see what we can do. Now, when you build a 10 or eight home development on the country and you pay a fee like this, for example, say we want 4,000 or $3,000, first of all, lot that's on the park. Okay. Um and they're dedicating or investing themselves into this city's park. Whereas in our our one area, there's a plan where we need the park. That's very crucial. You know, that that goes into so like and it's a good feat. Um I don't think there should be any forgiveness in places that are going to put in 150. >> I I think they should pay what everybody else is paying because that city after they make the initial investment, the city takes it over, the city's got lifetime of maintenance that they have to be concerned about. And that's one of the reasons, you know, giving them a discount deal may not be at certain times. certainly attracts them, but long term for the city, it shorts this commission and it might cause more problems down the road with the amount of maintenance that we have to actually do in some of these places. Just something to keep in mind, but I know council is is very concerned with where we're at. That's why it was brought up. We'd like to see what this, you know, commission can do with the funds. We've seen what you can do with little funs. and the people who go to our city parks have nothing but price. We'd like to continue that and make sure it's funded properly. And that's pretty much what we're seeing right now. >> Cool. Thank you for that. >> I kind of like the 4,000 and the,200. >> 4,1200. Leave the,200 as is. >> Yeah. >> Should we up it to 1500? >> No reason. Well, we could up it to 1500, too. I don't think there's any reason to roll back. >> We know people want the trails. That's all I hear about when I talk to people when I'm out and about. >> I hear it a lot. They want the trails, but they don't want to pay for them, >> right? Well, who wants to pay for groceries? Nobody, but for sure the trail fund should not roll back. So, is there any concern about overpricing from the city council's thoughts or comments? >> As of right now, the council people that I talked to, no, we think we're extremely low. In fact, 55 for rural residential and 45 for R1 would not be off by any human means. Personally, just because the Supreme Court says the state charge that much doesn't mean certainly can and we're backed up. So, we're not doing something that is out of line with any statutes in the state. But when you consider our situation, we really are a buffer to the city. People want trails because they don't want to walk in the city, walk out here. They want the bigger lots. They want, you know, there's going to be a change and the change is coming. And by us just adding a little bit, I don't think we're pricing ourselves out of the I think those developers are going to look at those land plots that are available and say this is where we want to build and they're going to pay what the city wants because they know the city's it needs to stay very similar to what it is. But our but our parks and the residential areas, they need to stay how they are. You know, in order to do that, we have to charge certain things. we have money to do what we need to do and that's why I don't think so I don't have a good feel for how competitive our neighboring communities are um >> for the developers >> for the yeah for the developers when they're looking at at areas to to develop >> there's a lot that goes into that part of that too open space, >> right? >> A lot of those communities don't have a lot of open space that's even available. >> We've got plenty of that. >> True. >> No reason to sell it short either. >> No, no, I agree. I I just >> learning. >> Trying to get a better feel here. >> Yep. >> We're just learning. When we talk about like putting in a rural residential neighborhood and we talk about a sidewalk through there, how much of that and maybe that's where we came up with the,200 I guess. How much of that gets assessed back to that property owner or how much per lot does that sidewalk cost is what I'm wondering. >> To build it would be a lot more than $1,200 per per lot. Just looking at what we did over here, we went down two basically two lots length and was $22,000. And we did a lot of that ourselves. >> Wow. >> So, if we take that trail money for some of the smaller developments maybe or something, we would take the trail money anyway. We're doing a favor to the developer, >> right? They're getting the but it's also better than what we have been doing because we haven't been getting anything out of it. >> Right. No, I agree. I agree. But when you compare to what it would cost at the time of developing, >> right, it would be much less for them to pay the fee than for them to develop it. >> And same with park dedication to give up 10% of the land is quite a bit compared to cash in little of that. >> Um, you know, >> it's basically a whole lot on a 20 20 acre development. You're giving up two acres, right? >> That's one whole lot. And what's a lot go for nowadays? A lot. >> A lot. >> Yeah. I know you always have >> the developer donate 10% tax. So it's going to be way cheaper for them to pay our fees, >> right? >> I think the when we were doing the percentage though, the money was all over the board kind of thing. >> Yeah. For the percentage of the of the cash, but you can also do like 10% of the land. So they have to donate 10% of the actual land for park for developer. That's a big chunk of their of their profit. >> So they probably would rather pay the dedication fees. >> Well, they always want to give us the swamp land. >> It's usually swamp. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They always want the nonbuildable land. They're like, "Here's your park right here." >> Sure. >> Bring a boat. So, so I guess based on all that then I'm I'm in favor of the trails being I'll just throw out a number $1,500. >> Um, but I think I'm still hesitant to to make too big of a jump in one short time. So, I'm kind of at the 3,000. >> Well, what if we did 3500? >> Um, I I'd be okay with that, too. Um, but I'm also going to say whatever we do, let's re bring it back in about a year. >> Sure. >> And let's be open to let's see what effect a change has. >> And bring it back and plan on bringing it back in a year to review. >> See what effect our decision had. Did it stop >> development? Will tell you, >> you know, >> that they won't come. >> No. >> So, >> yeah, >> I'm good with that. Yeah, I would think 3,500 maybe and 1500 on the trails >> trails. >> That's essentially doubling where we're at now. >> And we're you're marking it differently for for trails. And >> so are there any any new developments in the works that that um we're thinking might even show up in the next year? >> Oh, in the next year. Yeah, I think some in the next year. I don't know of any in the next two months. So, this wouldn't go in effect until January 1st. >> Hey, >> um I don't believe there's anything at the that's been turned into the community development department that I'm aware of. >> Well, I can just tell you from my experience, single family right now is down considerably. A lot of that has to do with mortgage rates. You take a half half point out of those mortgage rates and >> could take off. >> It's going to get nuts. >> But I can look at my own business and we're doing both in single family and in commercial. And it all comes right back to to mortgage rates. >> Institutional, you know, government stuff. That's, you know, the money's been here for a long time. That stuff's still going pretty good. even multif family started to slow down a little bit. We're going to see some changes if the if the rates come down and it looks like the rates are going to come down. >> You get that writing >> so keep listening to the Fed though and the Fed keeps talking about dropping the rate again. >> Yeah. So >> because >> excuse me based on these numbers, do you need a motion on that then? >> Yeah, I'd like to get a motion, a vote, and then we'll get that to the council for them to >> Well, you don't want me to move because that'd be at 415. >> So we decided on 3500 and500 for So >> 3500 for the park dedication fee and 1,500 for the trail dedication fee. So, I'm making a motion >> with a review in a year. >> In a year. >> In a year. With a review in a year. And what else? Anything else with that? >> No. >> But I can >> all in Oh, no. >> That's my job. >> Sorry. >> All right. A motion's been made and second. >> Really tired. >> Any more discussion? >> No. >> Hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. I can do that. I think we see our next uh >> say again. >> Yeah. >> The next uh >> next year is right here. >> Yeah. You and I can change seats. >> No, no, no, no. >> Bill, you might get out of it. >> No. Yeah, >> you do a great job. >> Finally. I'm the Well, other than you guys, I'm the newest one here. Um item six, city council report and other business. well prepared tonight to come in and talk. [Laughter] >> So your work is done. >> We can. >> So we can go to >> Oh, good. >> Good. Thanks. >> Yeah. Uh like I said, the zip line should be open tomorrow hopefully. Um Did you guys test it out? >> We haven't The cable's not hung in. We wait for the concrete to cure. Um >> Mary Helen's going to adjust it out tomorrow. >> I will bring some grandkids come over. >> Uh what else? We're doing a lot of our fall cleanup right now. We're shutting down the parks. The portable toilets will be removed at the end of the month. Fall fields have all been shut down, blowing out irrigation. So, it's getting to be that time of year. We're hoping to have uh some playground designs for if we do a November meeting, it might be the December meeting for Viking Meadows. I think I'm going to invite the uh salespeople in to try and sell you guys their design so you don't have to deal with that. But that'd be good. >> We think we settled on $140,000. Um we just that uh second addition was approved last night for Viking Preserve. So, they'll have the park dedication coming in for that year shortly. So, >> Oh, good. >> Have they sold a bunch of the property there or are they still just >> uh there's two so far? There's two sold and they said they had a lot of people coming through for the pray of homes. All they're putting in a lot of a lot of homes. They're breaking. There's a lot of basements going in right now. Slabs. I guess >> Viking Preserve is the one on the >> I keep getting them mixed up. Viking Meadows. >> Okay. >> Yeah, Viking Preserve is already built out. >> Viking Meadows. There's another segment to that though too, is it there or not? >> It hasn't been platted yet or anything. They're planning on it, but Okay. Yeah. >> No, Viking Meadows >> Capstone. >> Y that >> But they uh they put a nice like entrance sign in there. It's really nice landscape in there. >> That looks really nice when you come down 65 to see the big sign, but they really need to take down the golf course. >> I was going to ask about that just now. >> It's very confusing. >> Yeah, I bet. Especially if you're not from around here. people in the neighborhood there golf. >> Yeah. Where's the golf course? >> Well, it used to be here. >> Back nine is still there. The grass is about 3 ft long, but it >> you can practice on your chipping or whatever. Right. >> We started mowing the uh green space there. It's going to take a little bit to get kind of mowed down. It's kind of a hay field right now, but I think that that's going to be a nice area back in there >> for residents from both elements. >> Is that what we looked at last time? Uh we have a picture of the tree area, but there's a great big uh green space behind there. If you remember the golf course, it's the whole ninth fairway. >> Okay. >> So, it's all, you know, >> blue grass fescue growing in there. And >> nice. >> It's going to be pretty nice. Very nice. Landscape trees in there and stuff. So, >> better than the swamps. >> Yeah. >> You're all set to make winter ice out outdoor ice the arena. >> Yep. We'll be flooding that. We painted the rink this summer, so it's it's good to go. Are we renting a warming house? >> Not we don't have one land. The prices went way too high. >> We didn't have one last year, did we? >> No, we haven't for a couple years now. They can use the building. We have uh that open for them to if they need to come in and warm up till till 10:00. So, >> they've had three home games so far. Um >> we lost all three, but they made a game out of >> It's a rebuilding year. >> Yeah. the junior team. >> So, yeah. So, I got it. >> I have one question. Yeah. Um about the Lake Park, the basketball court. >> Mhm. >> Has a big area where the concrete is sinking and >> and there's getting to be hedges, trip hazards, and and that park is getting a lot more a lot more use. We're getting a lot more kids, I think, moving in our neighborhood. >> A lot. >> So, I don't know what one we need to talk about maybe doing something with that. >> Yep. >> I think we know I think we noticed that when we were there for a tour, right, that >> it's been that way for a while. I think it's getting worse. >> We talked we talked about how we could do something with it, but >> nothing's anyway. I just want to >> either have tear it out and report it or uh they do you do that concrete jack or they check the expanding foam underneath there, >> which would probably be cheaper than redoing the whole usually. And it does work pretty good. We did a lot of that on sidewalks and stuff better. >> It works for stuff that's low on that are tipped up. It's hard to get to the correct place. >> There's a little bit of both in there. >> So, well, El's going to have a lot of questions now because he just got voted in as president of the um Lake Community and Senior Center. >> Oh, congratulations. >> Last night >> just for an interim. Yeah. Till April. We have experience running meetings. >> Oh, yeah. He's good at that. >> Just to fill out the rest of the uh term, our uh president that was in place resigned. >> Um when did when did that resignation happen? >> Month ago. >> Oh, a month ago. We were meeting somebody down there to let us in to blow the sprinklers out tomorrow. I can't remember who. >> Oh, probably. >> Yeah, I think it was. Yeah. >> Yeah. I had him scrambling down there this morning because I saw your mowing guy go by and I thought maybe it was the same guy. So, >> I panicked a little bit and ran right down there and realized it was tomorrow that he's meeting the guy. So, >> he'll be there. >> Marlin and El worked together for 40 years almost. >> Yeah, we still talk to each other >> at Caterpillar. Best friends for uh >> he was the best man at our wedding 45 years ago and now he lives right across the street. So you guys are building your own little neighborhood. >> Oh god, it's hilarious. >> You got your grandkids living next door. >> Yeah. Yeah, they live on the other side. >> Yeah. Um, somebody noticed the corn holes >> that we put up the booster. >> But asked, "Where are the bags?" And I said, "Well, you can't have everything. Like, bring your own bags." >> Like, >> we have some bags, but they don't seem to stay there. >> Yeah. I said, "Some sometimes things don't come back." So >> Oh, yep. >> That's so sad. But now people are noticing that we're making those improvements. So when they have their picnics and stuff now they're hanging out longer. So >> should be a lot of excitement around a pickle ball courts. >> I know. I was thinking of that when people people have been asking me about it like is there going to be a club like big like is there going to be like a clubhouse? Like what is it going to be? >> Oh boy. >> We're just starting out with a couple you know testing the waters. You could get a tent and put it up or something. Call that the clubhouse. Is there a date for fall towing hall? >> November. >> It's the Thursday of deer hunting. >> Oh, >> well attended. >> What is it? >> Is it the 13th? I think >> 13th. Yeah. >> Better have your bag first. Well, >> anybody have anything else? >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Motion's been made and seconded to adjourn. Any discussion? >> I think we're good. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Meeting adjourned. >> Happy Halloween.