[clears throat] came from the opportunity. >> I went to your to your >> dancing. We have the opportunity to be on a record tonight. >> Okay, we're live. It's good. >> There's been Sherburn just because of is like very small. You ready to go live? >> Yeah. >> Everybody ready? >> All right. We're going to open the meeting 14th July 2026. Let's go to the to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Johnson, will you do roll call, please? >> Yes. >> Mayor Hib >> here. >> Member Brian >> here. >> Council member Glazer >> here. Council member Rainville. >> Council member Swenson >> here. Lieutenant Ber >> here. Fire chief here. >> And myself Johnson. All complete. Oh, and attorney groupy on Zoom. >> Yeah. >> All right. All right. So, uh, take a look at the agenda. We need somebody to make a motion to approve the agenda. >> Mr. Mayor, >> Council Rainbow, go ahead. >> I would move the agenda with the additions, um, under new business, B, which is related to the noise ordinance, and C related to the, um, Well, I'll second that. Is there any discussion? Was that right, sir? Okay. Any discussion? Hearing none, move forward to approve the agenda. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. >> All right. We'll go to move to the public for porn. We definitely have some people in the audience tonight, which is great to see. We appreciate participation. Um, so if you'd like to speak, make sure you're please signed up on the back. Miss Johnson, will you tell us who's first? When you approach the podium, can you please tell us your name and your address? And we're going to limit it to three minutes uh per person. >> Okay, we have one person signed up, Steve Schultz. >> Take the podium, sir. >> My name is Steve Schultz. I'm at 9167 194th Lane Northwest. I've been a resident of Neland for 20 years now. I grew up in an NOA. Um, one of my good friends is Brad Johnson in your office. Um, I would gone to him or anybody else. I thought I'd just try taking care of this on my own. I went to my neighbor and complained about noise and she told me I could move. So, that's the reason why I'm here is because we can't outlaw inconsiderate group people. But what we can do is we can prevent others now then from what's happened to me. I'm not anti-chick. She's had chickens. Other friends, my grandfather's had chickens. They're fine. It's when it impedes the peace of your neighbors. Whether it's a rooster that's crowing non-stop or a teenage boy next to you, next to your house decides he's going to crank the radio all day long. Those parents are at work. or a barking dog or you know somebody has their race car going at the 2 in the morning or anything that impedes the enjoyment of you enjoying the peace and quiet out that's the problem I'm dealing with guinea hens I've dealt with chickens years and years no problem chickens are fine problem is is that I go out there for coffee in the morning and I hear I go there for a beer after I get home from work. I just want to relax again. I I sent videos out kind of this is what I'm dealing with. It's just obnoxious and loud. It's just awful. I don't know if you guys want to ban guinea hens. That'd be awesome because again, no problem chickens. But I think what it comes down to is like, hey, we need to do something in the future of preventing a neighbor moving in from the big city. They come out here and they think they can do anything they want. They can have a dirt bike track and whip it up and they can scream and loud and it's like, oh yeah, we have two acres, three acres. I live in a residential area. I don't live on a farm. I bought the place 20 years ago. It was anywhere from 2 and 12 to 6 acres lots. It was just a a little development. I came out here for the peace and quiet. It's always been peace and quiet. It's why I lost three. I lost two rows of pines when they're riding the road. But again, I love it out here. I'm dealing with a neighbor that is inconsiderate, rude. I went over there. I tried to say, "Hey, you know what's going on? Why all of a sudden this spring I open my windows up and I hear these chickens nonstop and I know some of you are chicken experts because you know you said well they only slash when they're scared or whatever. Stephen, you're wrapping up for the next 30 seconds. >> Okay. All I'm saying is please do [clears throat] something. I mean, all all I can say is that please I I I I have, you know, the different um an NOA County rules about chickens where, you know, Centerville is allowed to have um uh up to four hens. She has 19. She's right on my property. No set back. Um, other counties have asked for uh uh permission or or like the neighbor like a permit like neighbors uh okay to have them. She can move them way back on her fence line, but no, she has it right cooped up right on my back fence line and I can't plant a tree. I can't build a fence. All I'm doing is listening to this noise. There's a police report that I did back in May. She said she was going to rehome some of the noisy ones. They're all noisy. I have recordings of it nonstop since then. I can call back the Noa County Sheriff and they could probably give her a, you know, citation, but we just need to prevent this from it happening to one of you or your neighbors. And I'm just asking please, please do something. >> So, thank thank you for It is on the agenda tonight is number 17. Oh, and kidney hams. They're known to make loud, earpiercing, repetitive screeches, often described as rusty trampoline springs and a squealing car alarm or jackhammer. That's [clears throat] like their definition of them. So, I just get rid of kitty. They're just awful. Anybody else signed up? Did anybody else want to speak tonight? Hearing none, we'll move past the uh public forum. So, thank you. Moving to the consent agenda, >> Mr. Mayor, >> Randle, I would move the consent agenda presented. >> Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, move to vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Chief, fire department is up next. Absolutely. >> And you have an RCA in your fire department, correct? >> I do. That's right. Uh this is false. I want to present the the monthly report for June. 18 calls, 15 were medical, three were fire related. Uh month of June on average number of calls for service with medical services dominating our response. The [clears throat] department is experiencing better than average response from our personnel to each call. We averaging three to four personnel personnel per apparatus responding to emergencies. This really showcases the commitment of our personnel. um to rise up and answer the call for help. Um we are preparing for uh 199 August and having a presence at the farmers farmers market this summer in fall. So we've got a request for that. Um four of our new firefighters have passed the initial firefighter training are being prepped for full response to those types of instances. They will begin their medical training in September and all are in fact be fully being fully response capable by November of this year. So meeting their probationary requirements. Um the department is also scheduled to attend uh emergency vehicle operations course or better known as EVOC at the transportation training facility in St. Cloud during the months of October, November, and December. Um the reason why we're doing it in three month increments is we're only sending a portion of the department out each time so we're not stripping the entire department um out for a training day. Um this course is both uh didactics and hands-on um with the concentration in safety, cooperation, and collision avoidance. Um, having each employee certified in EVOC will be a first for our department and will serve to reduce our liability and surrounding drivers training uh, and emergency declaration. So, I'll stand for any questions. >> Chief, can you just talk about the total number of firefighters with the addition of these four? Does that put us up to 16? >> Puts Well, it puts up to 16 firefighters and 17 including myself. So, we've got uh, you know, signs popping up around the community. Um, we're going to go for recruitment again this this fall. Seems to be a really good time for us to do that. Matter of fact, within uh a week of sign up, we've already got one application in. So, um, so we're uh we're striving to to increase that. Um, we really want to get to that to about 25 firefighters. That's where we feel feel very comfortable. Um, we'll see what we can do to get there, but it's incremental growth. >> What is your goal for this year? To add four more? >> Our our goal is to add as many as we can. I would assume that we're probably only going to get a small handful. Um like every other credit department around us, um I think four to five is probably the the max I would get out of any kind of hiring unless we get an astronaut number of applications. >> Mr. Mayor, go ahead. >> Chief, would you please qualify the three fire data calls? Were they within the city? Were they structure? Were they mutual aid? >> Sorry. Um I believe one of them was mutual aid fire. Um the other two were were fire alarm calls. So we didn't actually have fire. We have fire related. We have people who have fire alarm systems within the city. Um a lot of wet weather in in June. Um which put grass fires down the toes. >> So these are residential alarms. >> Yes, residential. >> So July might be a very different month for you. Any other questions for the chief before we move on? >> How did the fourth July? >> Actually before July was a was so a lot of surrounding metro cities not so quiet. Um but also was that helps a lot. [clears throat] Okay. Uh so moving on, we'll do uh we'll take a look at the uh request for council action. Um again, just bring this back for council action. Uh I went back to the uh to the contractors involved um federal signal to make sure that the um siren map that they had come up with was um actually um what was needed for for nail. And again, this is a discussion that can be had at at the council level [snorts] um as to what you would like to provide the city. So, you can do anything from no sirens to 10 is the recommendation. Um we do have in the budget for an additional siren this year. Um speaking to the contractor, they still feel that Twin Lakes is the is the optimal location if you're going to add a siren. um being that it is a heavily outdoor used facility. Um and I could verify that by um um going down there um Monday of this week to uh to do maintenance on the the dry hydrant that's at the lake. Um the pole launch was full and the beach was full on Monday, which surprised me. Um partially probably from the heat, but but I think partially that lake is just getting used a lot in the summertime. So um so again I um if you'll see in the report I provided an executive summary with the background for the project again um with the sound propagation study. Um I am and the uh the consultants are recommending that if you do move forward with the siren this year it would be twin lakes um being that is the the one of the most populated outdoor areas in the city along with the city um already owning the property and it being a fairly easy installation for that um site. So um so you read the background supplemental information um at the end of 25 city council requested an update we provide that provide a summary as part of the signal south plan analysis determine the existing siren effective coverage in central north now then we'll leave significant warning gaps. Um the financial impacts of this is uh you see that the equipment has gone up by about $2,000 since the since the initial um budgeting period to be budgeted for uh $40,460. Um we would be short by $2,238 um which talking to financial consultant [clears throat] Miss Jagger um would be just a budget transfer that we did at the end of the year for that. So, I will stand for any questions or concerns. [clears throat] >> Chief, you're also recommending a contingency of which would cost $4,270. >> That is right now. That is just if we run into some issues down the park. I don't believe we're going to run into some issues with with with the placement of the placement of the pole or anything like that or or the electrical. We've looked at it. I don't [clears throat] see any issue with it, but I just wanted to bring it as a concern that um usually in a project like this, we just look at a 10% contingency on on project for for that just in case things have to come up. >> Isn't isn't [clears throat] isn't that the responsibility of the installing contractor to make sure they fit their job properly? I I can't [clears throat] I run a business. I don't build a contingency into my uh >> my estimates. >> Yeah. Mr. Mayor, council members, we can't see underground. So, I think that's that's where I'm looking at if there's something that we're running into underground. If we run into a big boulder, we have to move a post, something like that. Um, that would be the contingency is we have to move this 100 ft away or 1,000 ft away from the building. That's something we haven't planned for and we don't know what's underground. So after running multiple large projects and building expansions, there's a contingency fund typically built in and it could be up to 10%. And it's only used if needed. So that would be the only goal of approving it because we're short on budget by 20238 is what you recommend. So the the goal would be not to use the contingency at all and roll it back in. But if something happens, you're getting approval in advance to say, "Hey, I get 10% to work with if needed, but the goal to put it all back in." >> Correct. That's great. Mr. Um, do we get any other bids aside from the electrical contractor and federal signal? Mr. House members, um, the the federal signal is the only manufacturer that makes the siren that we currently have. So, you want to try and get the same siren so that you have the same controller, um, same maintenance plan, things like that. So, if you want to deviate from that, there are other siren um uh manufacturers out there, but they're not compatible with each other. So, we'd have to have a maintenance contract with a with a different vendor to maintenance that siren. So, it' be advantageous for us to just go with the same siren. Um, and as far as the installation contractor, ready is about the only one that does it the state. I haven't found another contractor that's installing warning signs. Obviously, these aren't something that everyone's putting up every day, so there probably is not many contractors out there to cover. >> Well, I was going to ask followup question if we're stuck with federal signal if we go with them. Sounds like we are, but um sounds like there's nothing wrong with that if you're satisfied. Um, this is sort of a goofy question. Maybe you not just from experience, but is do cities ever let the poles pull double duty? Like, can we put anything else on that pole that would make this less painful? >> Uh, Mr. house. I am not familiar with um the the sarm poles being double duty, but then again, you know, generally when cities put them up, they're in locations that aren't necessary in line with power lines, things like that. Um cities want to own the infrastructure so that the power company, whoever else can't take the infrastructure away and not end up trying to figure out what to do with sirens. >> Thank you, Chief. Y absolutely. >> So Mr. Mayor Chief um on Ready estimate um they talked about um every move pieces concrete sidewalk and reinstalled in others at no cost to ReadyWA. Is that do we think that'll be part of that contingency or do we need to get a bid on that? And then he also states siren will only be programmed by at the county by radio company does not include that if that charge if any. Do we know if the county has been charged or if we do this for our house? Um speaking on the the sidewalk piece um that was a piece that we may have to um but they think they can work underneath it and not destroy the sidewalk. So again that would be part of that contingency. Um, as far as programs from the county, um, to the best of my knowledge, the county programs are free because they have to program them into their councils. So, >> chief, I did have one just talking about federal uh, signal. Is that have you worked with or been involved, but do you have these in Brooklyn Park? Are they are they common in the area? >> Mr. Rivers, uh, Federal Signal is probably the most prevalent siren manufacturer out there. Um, probably the most probably in Minnesota. Okay. >> They have a very >> So, this would not be a one-off at all. This is a very common product. >> Very common product. >> The county is going to know it. They can program it, corporate, and >> 100%. They already have ours. Um, the city of Ramsey has federal signal that I know of. Um, and they're all program. >> Mr. Mayor, >> question for the chief. Um, do you know that uh with that uh $7,000 donation that was given to the fire department, is there uh possibilities of re uh adjusting the current existing budget to free up the money to pay for any to pay for the extra 2,000 and or any of the overages that may come in. >> Mr. Mayor, council members, I haven't looked at that donation, so I don't know what's earmarked for or what we have to. So, it would be a question that I would have to ask the the donor itself. Um on that >> we just accepted it tonight in contingency so or in consent agenda. Uh Miss Johnson is there any guidance on is there any specific use >> when we accepted it? There was not it was just given to the fire department. The other donation was given to the veterans memorial. So no not anywhere. >> So the answer is it could be is that is that you want to make a recommendation council? Well, I would think if if if if there's any excess, I mean, right now we're looking at it. We're being we're 2,000 some over budget and theoretically [clears throat] a contingent of 4,000 some that song gets really close to seven. >> Right now, with the contingency in there, we're short by 2238. Isn't that what you said, Steve? >> Yes, Mr. May. >> Does that work out on on the math that you're looking at? >> Mr. May, I'm sorry. That's with $42,000. We're $2,000 short. >> 2,000 short on 427 total project cost. >> What was budget 40? >> I missed that. >> Mr. Council members, 40,460 was the budgeted number. >> The project number is 42,698. >> Not. >> So that would almost cover exactly. You covered the entire contingency. If you do that, that's your record. Now I'm dragging. I missed the budget. >> And then the only kicker was that there was a specific earmark for the fire department because this would not only this would more this would be in theory more for the public use. However, [clears throat] the current fire department budget could be reduced by seven if that's the case, but it doesn't sound like it is. And then that 7,000 could be moved to the >> right. It was I mean he was specific that it should go to the fire department, but he didn't say anything in particular. >> But if we budgeted $10,000 for equipment, we would be taking 3,000 out of the current budget and using this $7,000 and to free up $7,000 to pay for the rest of the project. Correct. >> Mr. Councel, um this 40,460 is actually in capital. It's not Yeah, we're totally understood. Yes, >> we're just talking the 7,000. If it goes to you, can we shift funds and cover this so we're not over budget? >> Mr. Mayor, >> I know we've discussed this in several meetings, but my understanding is purpose of the siren, just like you said, is to alert people outdoors, not indoors primarily. Are there any alternatives to alerting effectively outdoors? I know there's like phone alerts, all that, but there's is this really the only way for people without cell phones with those phone alerts here if they're in the park. Mr. Council members has as far as I know that is the only way out to let somebody who's outdoors who doesn't have a radio or a cell phone or something like that. >> Mr. Chief, has there been any changes or updates from the county regarding the alert system since we talked last where you mentioned at one time that the county was, if I recall correctly, that the county was was looking at enhance doing some some sort of enhancing to to be more specific or geofencing with the rivers. >> Mr. uh or Mr. council member council members the they're doing what's called an iPod alert um for um different types of emergencies including weather and and that's strictly on a cell phone basis. So um they can narrow it down to a specific location or do something countywide. Um they're u they're moving that system forward. Um and that's currently for the most part I believe and Lieutenant you can uh agree with me or speak to this. Um the county is currently using that for different types of events. >> Yeah, within the past few weeks it was used for a shelter in place order for an incident that we had. I can't speak to exactly what dispatch would do for weather alerts. Um that'd be something within their protocols. So I don't know exactly what would be included for that. >> So C council member uh Swinson talked about you know what is the primary chief can you just talk about typically how redundancy works and I think that's an important point for our residents um a redundant system. >> Yeah so m council members um if we rely on one system say tornado sirens um uh for weather alerts. Um only people who are outside and only people that can hear them um will be alerted. Um if the system fails, there's no redundancy to it. So the reason why county agencies like county and others have built in now with new technology, cell phone, things like that, um the the you have a redundancy between the between the tornado sirens and the cell phones if you have them. the the last resort would be um AMF and radio and TV. With Elmore, there's not many local channels that people watch anymore. Um so getting that notification via television is probably not the the best redundant system. Um but I think it's important that if you don't have a redundant system, somebody within that within that jurisdiction may be missed for the warning notification. >> Mr. Mayor I just want to put it out there that um this is my opinion. Um the fact that I get a weather notification uh emergency weather notification on my phone before I ever hear any sirens and I think silence from my house, I would consider silence to be the redundancy. And you know, with the costs continuing to go up. Originally when when um this was brought to us last year in 20 early 2025, we were talking about maybe $30,000 and that's continued to go up and now we're being asked to add another $10,000 in contingency. Um, I I I think personally think this is the way for the future and it probably be cheaper for the city to buy a bunch of weather radios so people could have them in their house if we want that redundancy than it would be to now we're talking about clean up. This won't be the only siren because you're talking about nine additional sirens in total to get us to 10. Correct. >> Mr. Cers, that would be the recommendation um from consultant. Um, and that'd be a recommendation. If I want to follow professionals, I would I would follow that recommendation. >> Andrew, follow that. Is it 10 total, including the one we already have? >> Correct. 10 total this would be nine or in this case, if this one goes forward, then it would be eight, eight addition, but it's still a significant cost. >> Yeah. at at uh and if we consider having to add a contingency in in for everyone, it's about $422,000 total. Tell us about that be about correctly comes back to public safety and what is the you know if we lost a resident because we didn't have it. Now you can look back and say hey we haven't met a lot of tornadoes but all it takes is one and that's the balance is it's risk versus dollars and public safety what makes sense and How much risk is a person willing to take? But if it did come through and if you look at Twin Lakes and they can happen in a short period of time and if you're on the beach it could be really bad. So that that's the risk versus you know you can look at another option like you said weather radios but to purchase weather radios for every resident but that means they got to be at their house and these are typically for outside. >> Mr. Mayor Council member >> uh I think Councilman Glazer makes a good point. I I would have to give it more thinking, but I might be inclined to agree with you for the residential areas and the agricultural areas of our city. I think specifically to that park, you know, I I guess I haven't been there for a tornado siren test, so I don't know what it sounds like if they can hear Elers, but I mean that seems to be the the one place in where this definitely is needed because they're not alone. Chief, on your map, good point. On the map, you've got the two and now that Do we have any idea where sirens are located at? >> Uh, Mr. Council members, um, I believe there's a not exactly, but I believe there's a tornado sign more over towards that Walmart, Menard's area in there. Um, and the thing about about talking about outside city sirens is we don't control those. They're set up by Sherman County, not a Milka County. And so they they may or may not go off in weather. Um and so we don't control that. And so I would I would not recommend um or um I [clears throat] would not recommend us to uh kind of hang our hats on what the other cities around us are doing um as much as what we should be doing as a city. Mr. Mayor, >> um I come from public safety. Um it is a lot of money. It is a lot of money, especially if we go with another eight of them after this one. Um I can see some reasoning for having it. Um, also every time you go by somebody, they're on their phone. And if you're there for a softball game or a soccer game, your coach is watching the weather. They know what the weather was before the game started. Um, people are very aware, but that is one place that people are outside and maybe not have the ability to to get that that alarm, that alert. Um, though it would come second, like you say, supervisor, it's usually your phone first. Um, I I have a hard time going and looking at eight other locations just dollar-wise. I would support hesitantly support this one. Um, and I know you put a lot of work into it and I appreciate that. Um, but I would hesitantly support this one, but going to additional ones, I'd have to >> Mr. Mayor. For just to put something in perspective, at $50 a piece, nine sirens is not one weather radio per household, but more than one weather radio per 70 would be 7,200 weather radios. So, >> are you talking all >> No, if we did all nine at 40,000 a piece. >> Yeah. Using 420,000 talk. So just as a approximation. So So yes, I I I would be hesitant to to have to put put um weather sirens throughout the entire city when when that's that would we could literally buy a weather radio for every house for half the cost, if not more. I just pulled up a map on Elk River Shimmer County location of tornado sirens. And I mean it looks like actually Twin Lakes Park is within the zone of two different sirens in Elurn. Little circles around them. >> Is it covered? Is that what you're saying? >> But to the chief's point, I mean, it's Sherurn County or Elk River, whoever managed this. Is that a significant? >> It's a company. Uh, Mr. Mayor, council members, county is the county is who actually set the sirens off based on information from the National Weather Service and the county's emergency management. So, on the NOA, the the to set the sirens off, they have to get um uh indication from National Health Service has to go to the county emergency management team and then they get the okay to to trip the sirens. And so, in Sherman County, it's the same way. So that go National Weather Service to Sherman County Emergency Management to Sherman County Dispatch. Again, all those control. >> Well, as you were speaking, I just had another thought. You know, most weather storms move from west to east. Sherburn County is going on. I mean, that's better than the opposite. You know what I mean? >> Mr. Council members, I I I don't disagree with you. I think there's there's pros and cons to all of this. Um, I'm bringing council action forward because this is what the budget is. Um, the the council action is for one siren tonight, not 10 are committed to that. Um, and this is solely in [snorts] your in your um hands to decide. Um, I'm just giving recommendations on where we should be um as a as a city and as a public safety service. Um, but but I think that It's I think it's a gambling the way if you're relying on other entities to trick their sirens and do the things that they need to do. And is there stuff working and maintaining all of that? So >> any other comments back to the chief council >> gentleman? Um sorry for interjecting. I just I dealt with this just a week ago. Um we were boating on Cross Lake and severe weather was coming. Still nice out. there was some bad nasty weather coming. Um, I text everybody what the National Weather Service did. I didn't sign up for any alerts. It's like an Amber Alert. >> So, this service is already done by the National Weather Service. It was actually sent to my daughter's cell phone on the shore, my son and I fishing. It was them alerting us before the siren went off. It was incredible because it still looked nice out, but it gave us plenty of time like if you're out on Twin Lakes to oh, we better get out of the beach area. We better get off the lake. Um, so I just thought I just dealt with it just a week ago. So it it was really cool because again, I didn't sign up for any weather alerts. It just automatically got to send to all our phones. Somehow [clears throat] they know exactly who's in the area. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. >> Mr. Go ahead. >> Chief, was so when did the updated study get done? >> M this spring I would have to look back at it, but I believe >> I'm just going through email. Was that sent to council? >> I miss council members. I believe I brought this back our to council back in >> I was saying April >> April somewhere in there. >> I just don't remember seeing a map. >> Yeah, the maps were included. >> I'm just not finding anything. >> M Johnson, did we we did not budget a weather a weather summary for 2027. >> We have not started the 2027 budget yet. >> We'll start that with the I don't believe it was in the capital. >> Okay. in the CIP. That was really my question is really if we take a look at this there's a lot of hesitation from the council to move forward or not and if we do one does that mean we can the answer is no because I think you have to look at these in an individual basis but given the hesit hesitency and the cost of this if we get one that might be all that now then gets is is really the concern because they're expensive. They don't give these things away. Be different if we had the ability to install and do it ourselves, but we don't. >> M the cheap part is the siren. It's the installation that gets to be the most expensive. The siren itself is is $15,000. The installation is 27. A lot of labor to put that in. We just plop it on top of the building. >> If it's only intended for the park, >> it's 55 ft tall. >> Mr. But >> also, if I recall correctly, a note, the county just somewhat like recently redid their sirens and and went through the county and went, "Okay, all of these sirens are going to have to be replaced. Oh, and by the way, here's your bill." So, if they replace if they decide to go with some different technology, they're going to be coming back to us to to pay for the cost. >> But these are a city asset. So, >> no, but it's coming from the county and the county is in charge of what the protocol is. So, so the county went >> Wait a minute. >> Chief, can you ask that please? >> Yeah, just for our council members, um the county is not in charge of necessarily the protocol. They may be in charge of how they how they um uh send the signal to trip the sirens. So, we own the asset. They may tell us, well, you need to maybe upgrade the the the panel inside of the siren so that they can receive the signal. >> Um but I haven't I haven't heard of that coming. This has come up at a local government meeting in the past and the county said, "Hey, we're updating our hardware and by the way, you're going to have to pay for it." >> Okay. I don't know that. I I can't answer to that now. I don't know if if when they say that they're updating their hardware, is that at the dispatch council center? >> No, it was per city per per m I'd have to I'd [clears throat] have to look into that. I' not heard that. We've argued when we debated it or discussed it. Um, was there any other discussion? Do we have a motion? >> Anybody? >> Mr. I would move that we um authorize the purchase of one siren for the location of money coming from the capital. >> Did you want to consider what council Brian said about the $7,000 holding that into cover so we're not budget? >> Yes. as part of the motion. >> Yeah. >> Is there a second? I will second. Any other discussion? Move to vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Oppose. Name. >> Motion carries. Chief else right moving on to the next one. Sheriff's report. Mr. Mayor, members of the council, citizens, and now then the following is the sheriff's office report for the month of June 2026. Deputies responded to 120 calls for service. Of those calls, we had one to bar none, hopefully the last one. Six alarms, 17 medicals, and 12 animal calls. The last report I got from Bar None is that they were planning to have all of their residents rehoused by the 30th. I emailed them early this month and have not heard back. I don't know if Natalie got a confirmation or not, but as far as we know, they were going to be empty by the 30th of June. 30th of June or 30th of July of June. >> Yeah. Last I heard that they only had two residents left to place. They were going to be placed on the 29th. >> So, I'll try and have confirmation of the exact standing by next month's meeting. Uh moving on to other noteworthy calls within the city in the month of June. On the 4th at Norris Lake and Jarvis Street, a deputy initiated traffic stop on a vehicle for speeding. Uh that driver was found to have a felony warrant out of Max County. They were arrested, cited for speed, and transported to jail on the 13th in the 21300 block of St. Francis Boulevard. Uh, this one was all over social media, so you may have heard about it. Uh, deputies responded to some untamed horses and with the help of some citizens and the Sherburn County mount of patrol, they were able to corral those horses and get them safely into a trailer. On the 24th at Clearary and Norris Lake Road, deputies responded for a two vehicle crash with injuries. Uh, one driver was arrested and transported to jail. She was charged with secondderee DWI and criminal vehicular operation. On the 29th at Rabbit Street on 181st, deputies were dispatched to a suspicious vehicle. In that vehicle, a lone adult male uh was located deceased from an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound. That incident is under investigation, but there is no suspected risk to the community at this time. With that, I can stand for any questions. Mr. Mayor, >> does county have a mounted patrol? >> We do not. >> We do not. I'm sure they're respond. My my niece is my nephew's my nephew's wife is on. >> Yeah, they're not too common anymore. There are a few counties that have some more rural counties that have search and rescue that have some mounted stuff, but as far as sheriff's offices, there's not a ton left around the state. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Lieutenant, I just thought of it because we talked about it briefly and walking up today. Has there been any updates or any news that could be shared regarding the incident in Melvin and the house fire? >> Which one you're talking about? The barricaded suspect fire. >> Yeah. >> Um it's still in the court process. So really there's no changes still be shared public data. >> Yep. Going back to the mount of patrol, there is multiple upcoming residents in the Shiver County patrol. [snorts] >> She was on that when she >> Any other questions for Mr. Mayor? >> I just want to say thank you to all the deputies that dealt with bar for so long and did it so professionally. Um, you know, It's not that we didn't appreciate what they were trying to do uh for the residents that they took in, but it it did tax the um the sheriff's department um surrounding cities as well to provide mutual aid and uh so thank for always being professional and um but I am looking forward to the fact that we're not going to be getting those those calls on basis. Thanks. >> Thank you very much. I'll be sure to pass that along to the deputies as well. And obviously I'll keep the city praised if I hear any details about what the next plans are for the property and certainly there would be a plan in place of the city for a permit for that. >> Statistically looking at what we have what what is shared every month as public um if any resident was looking to move into Dallas and he looked at the statistics you would not move to DA but we know what the main cause was. So they'll very quickly clean themselves up and we're going to reduce our call volume significantly. Great point. Thank you for bringing that up. >> All right. Thank you, sir. >> M Johnson, you're up. Update. Um there was a save the date for the hunt fish dinner uh for September 21st to be held over at the now church for the fire department and first responders. So, Lieutenant, before you go, you want to mark that date as well. >> It is something that um Comcast is working with that group to um honor our first responders. So, plan on being there. They um will bring in all kinds of hunted and fish items and we'll be cooking for everyone. >> And all council members are invited to do that. >> All council members and spouses. >> And spouses. Um, so the uh formal invitations will be forthcoming. Um, Chief, I believe Adria sent you an email today to verify times. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um, you guys may be excused. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> We will also be getting uh it sounds like a donation up to $5,000 to be granted to the fire department uh provided we provide a list of the equipment that it's going to be used for to purchase. So, I know Chief was working with them on that. Um, oops, I guess we have it on here twice. The $7,000 donation, which we already talked about from the Lions. We have um one to the fire department, one to the memorial fund. And that pretty much closed out the Lions and Galin will no longer have the Lions Club. >> Didn't they just put in something in the consent agenda? >> That was that they were closing out their checkbook. So, they gave $7,000 to the fire department, $7,000 to the memorial fund. >> Didn't they just ask for a liquor license or something? Oh, that's Ramy. >> That's Ramsey Lions. They do love the liquor license. >> I missed that. >> Yep. >> Uh the primary election is now open for the early voting. Any residents can go down to the county if they'd like to do any early voting uh for the primary. Um, we will be open for early direct voting at the city offices on July 24th through August 10th. Um, and then the testing for the DS200 is held on the 22nd at 10:00 a.m. So, if anybody has any questions about how the election equipment works, you're more than welcome to come into the city to see how that works. Uh candidate filing for the open positions opened up today at 8:00 a.m. and it will close on July 28th at 5:00 pm. Uh the positions open are the mayor and two four-year term council members. Um the public works I'm sorry >> question question about that. Um it's my understanding there will be a special election in November for the the for the appointee. Is that still the case? >> I have Yeah. Well, yes, that would be because this is for um Mayor Hib Dan Spencson's position and your position, >> right? >> But there's a special election that we were having in November to actually for for that position. >> Question was, was it combined or is it a separate it's a separate special for the last two months of the term? >> Yeah. Yeah, there definitely was because we talked about it like multiple times. So, yes, there has to be one. So, I guess I will have to work that through with Tom because when he and I talked about it, he said it would just be the general election, but I can certainly try to >> Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> the public works replace the culverts on Marville Street last week. I think I gave you an update, Paul, in the um weekly update. >> That went really well. Um we don't have all the invoices yet, but Isaac will be putting together actual cost versus our estimates and we'll see exactly how it went. There were a couple things that um you know the um ho didn't show up until noon instead of at 7. There were just some little things that kind of came up. Um they ran into I think it was called blue clay. Lots of blue clay underneath and that would explain why it was heating up so much. Um so but they did get that taken care of. They have two of them. Um the public works and city clerk now have the city issued cell phones. Um, so if there's anything that you need for city business, just don't use any of our personal phones. Um, yesterday and today had quite a bit of um, conversation with Comcast. Um, today we had a meeting with Kexus as well and Kexus should be done with Bos hopefully by the end of this week. They're hoping to open up to Comcast so that they can go in. Comcast will have to do their locates. They're hoping to start in two weeks. Again, it's all dependent upon um Kexus. Um in speaking with the county and speaking with Comcast, it does seem like Kexus has been the hold up on lots of things on this. >> [clears throat] >> So, they do have to do a little bit more um underground on that first half on the south half than they were anticipating. It's about 3,000 um square lines of it. Um due to the lack of rerouting and that they have to just have to go a little bit farther underground instead. So, we've done a lot more of this up and down on the poles. Um so, we're hoping that they're going to get started in about two weeks. Um, I also had had a meeting with a resident and was brought up to speed on um, quite a few concerns with Comcast and the vendors that they're using to put in the lines. Um, so I was able to talk with Jeremy and get that kind of rolling. Um, they have changed their vendor now. I believe on the the third time. Um, we have several issues that need to be addressed. So, if any residents have any kind of um issues with the install or under underground or where the um they call them flower pots are or they're coming up where you would hit them with your lawn mower, anything like that. Anything that was done in about the first half of the install going under are the ones that we'd love to hear about. You're nodding your head, so please at the end of the night, you can give me your name and number and address and I'll talk to them. Um they are doing some additional quality control but you know they picked a random 10 with the state last week [cough] and the [clears throat] state passed everything with flying colors. The speed was great and they didn't catch anything. Um but we do have several things that are you know the wires are still exposed after supposed bearing. They went across roads instead of under roads. They went across fields instead of on the right of way. Um, so I do just want to get that out there. If you guys know of anybody or have anybody else, please send them my way. I'll see what we can do to get fixed. And that is my pretty much the update. >> I want to give one qualifier. I didn't get to attend the Comcast meeting, but being very careful not to throw Kexus under the bus. So if you look at Comcast is reliant to run the wire on the Kexus poles. Kexus has added a bunch of poles because of the Boss Street project. it it's not on Kexus at this point. It was on the county until they could Kexus could get in. There is delays, don't get me wrong. This whole project should have been wrapped up, but Kexus and Comcast have worked very well together as a whole. So, I just want to be careful not to throw >> Sorry, >> throw anybody under the bus because it's not on one agency or the other. There's a lot of moving pieces and the Boston Street project we put a damper on our last unsubsidized area getting them finished. >> That is correct. >> Okay. And so one August they're going to start again. Do we have a projected completion [clears throat] for our unsubsidized area for >> He thought that it was going to take three to four weeks by the time they would get everything all done and be able to hook up, but >> I don't want to give exact dates. >> Well, they never wanted to project exact dates, but looking at we're probably looking at hopefully by midepptember we should hopefully have unsubsidized >> and that that's at least we can give residents an answer. uh doesn't mean it's going to be correct, but at least we can provide an update. >> We do have 643 people of the 1377 residents that are hooked up and that is um it's like almost 50% it was like yeah it was like 46% and piece of that was Comcast is very very happy with that kind of result. >> Ma'am I got one more question. You said voting opens 24 July through 10 August. Is that just normal office hours then? >> Um, it is with the exception of two Saturdays and for the primary one Tuesday night. >> Okay. >> And all of those will be posted on the website. >> Okay. That's what this was up for. So, if they want specific time frames or hours um hours or days, it's it's on the website. >> Right. And for clarification, the primary is specifically for um state and federal offices. Now, >> any other questions for Mr. Johnson? >> Mr. Go ahead. >> Um, just back to the election. Um, and county sent out it's a quarterly mailer that they do not quarterly mailer and the last one have a lot of good information and links for people to to click on um in regards to how the elections are are run and the equipment and and the um process that was anybody has questions they can check with the county on that and look at their complete. So moving to new business, you want to talk about uh the RCA for this. This was brought up uh when did this come up? >> At the June meeting. So, um Bob Grooy, our city attorney, I'm going to ask him to kind of step in on this one. This is the request from some Balt Street um residents. They want to figure out what we could do to asphalt it went through. I did send it to the city engineer and to Bob both stated the first thing that we need is a fa feasibility report. It's not currently in the budget for 2026. Um, we also have our 5-year CIP for the road improvements and unfortunately it does not include the Balta Street and for council and public's notice. Um, we don't have any dirt roads in our um plan to do any kind of building for it's not to be done at all. >> So, basically what I'm looking for is because it was brought before the council, there were several residents on it. They did bring some numbers with um Bob will address any questions that you have about it, but basically looking for some direction as to what would you like me to do with this request. >> So, Mr. Rupy, you're up. >> No, I think Natalie summarized the discussions that she and I had when this issue was first brought to my attention. [clears throat] Historically uh historically the city has always when they have done road projects they have asked the residents to contribute financially as part of the funding package that would for cities that methodology is chapter 429 which you have historically used for all of your road improvement projects. that does require feasibility report to initiate the action, but that does have a cost associated with it and as as the city clerk Natalie Johnson uh uh stated, it's not currently in your budget to pay for that. Um if one option is to immediately order the feasibility report, uh another option is to incorporate this road into your capital improvement plan. But I think you should be mindful that when Shane Nelson, your city engineer, was asked about in general about improving this road, he said that uh one item the city would need to consider is your financial picture. If this project such as this type of road, size of the road were to move forward, given your historic methodology of assessing 429 at 50% where the city pays 50%, the residents pay 50, this is could cost the city uh several hundred,000 for for its portion. So again, it's more of something that the city has within its legal ability to move forward on. It's just not something that was planned for financially. And how does the city wish to accomplish that? If if it does, my recommendation would be to put it in your capital improvement plan so it could be studied at due time. >> Thank you, sir. Does anybody I didn't see a cost in here for a feasibility study. Did I miss that? >> No, it wasn't included. >> Okay. >> So, that's the first question. It wasn't >> What is a feasibility study cost? >> Yeah, Bob. Normally, it's what between 40 40,000 >> feasibility study. >> Yeah. Isn't that what um the overlay project was? >> I can't tell you. I thought they were more in the line of about f four or 5,000, but I haven't talked with Shane Nelson, the engineer, lately about what the feasibility reports cost. It could be time. I'm I'm just not familiar with it. >> Pull it up in the um in his invoices and email you. >> Mr. Mayor, >> Mr. Ruby, this this is going to be this conversation has multiple parts to it. So the residents have come to us with three estimates to pave this road. Part part of that includes a couple of the residents in the area absorbing the cost and doing the work to do the the >> [clears throat] >> uh the preparation of the roaded itself prior to paying. And this this person's a professional excavator with all the necessary equipment licenses. One of the things that you that um was shared with me by the clerk this afternoon when we were talking about this was the fact that you believe that this has to go out to steal bid. Is that correct? >> It is. If if Shane Nelson is correct that this project is cost over 175,000, yes, it does have to go out for seal bid. So, one one of the estimates that that the city was given um by Miss Paris was for $157,000 assuming that the the roaded prep work was going to be done by somebody else. Um and it would be done at no cost to the city. So would that um keep us from having to do that >> potentially if you if you looked at those as two separate projects. But again, that is assuming that there is no I guess what what I thought I heard was that there was no base work that needed to be done that the road as as it currently exists is in such shape that the patuminis could just be added to it. there was no no underlying base work that needed to be performed on that which I find to be difficult because in all the different projects that I go to a lot of meetings were road projects and usually the they always have to have some sort of work done as part of getting the road base in such shape to be able to uh receive the batuminous for the long term. I mean, you could put batuminous on anything, but generally what we what I get called about in my office is sort of warranty because they did not do the correct base work and the patuminous broke up in a couple of years, >> usually sometimes within a year or two. >> So, I'm assuming that that part of a feasibility study involves um establishing a specification for the roaded, the prep work as well as the pavement. And we understand that there was there will need to be some work done to the roaded but that is that is going to be done at somebody else's expense not the city's there will be no there would be in this case there would be no expense to the city >> if if you are looking at assessing any portion of the project cost to the residents along the road ride ofway you have to do a feasibility study it's a statutory requirement there's no question You have to do a feasibility report. So if you're going to look at it and do a feasibility report, it probably is worthwhile to get a quote from Mr. Nelson about what that cost might be. What's the timeline for preparing that and then take that ender advisement about because if he's got to prepare it and he can look at the base and give you some indication, then let's see what we have to work with. But I if if you are going to assess if this is something that you are going to have the property owners pay a portion of under 429 it's a legal requirement to have a feasibility report. >> Understood. >> You got a question? >> Yeah. >> So I have a question on the bids. So page 116 is the one bid for $156,900. Where does it tell me that none of these other that the rest of the work is going to be free and who is doing that work. I don't get that from here. So, I don't know. Can I say something as far as it goes? >> You just come up and call you. >> Okay. >> Tell us your name and your address. >> CC Paris 20231 Street. So, the bid that we got from Omen's was 156,900. That's just a black top bit. The bottom that they got down on there is all extra work for getting the road in shape. Paul, my husband, is willing to do all the dirt work on that road at our expense. So that's about $80ome,000 that we will be doing for work and they come in and black top over the work that we did. So basically all the homeowners then we would be splitting whatever home contracting will charge for the black top. Does that makeain? [clears throat] So that's I don't understand that. Um and then a question I have too is were these bids were were the bids that were were sent out requests for proposals that were sent out did they meet our current specs for paid loads? Were they are these apples to apples? Are they apples to oranges? And I I can't tell that from here, but I'm also not a road. So, >> well, I I mean, I would think that they're up the steps. There's Fairfax, there's North Valley, there's Omen Contracting. So, I would think those, >> but we don't know what was provided to them. That's that's >> I just went in there and told them I I called them up and I went and seen them and said, "I need a price an estimate for Black Dop on the Salt Street." And this is what they came back as. I guess North Valley did estimate a couple years ago for assault street also. >> Um, >> so is it been spec? Yeah. >> And I can't look at it and tell. >> And the other question I have is so the city's never paid a dirt road. >> Some point they did. >> Well, no. >> Within the city. We've never we've never paid a dirt >> since 2008. We've never done any asphalt. and the the asphalts that went in are either county, state, or they went in as a development. We've never taken a dirt road to my knowledge um and made it a paid road. So, we don't have any type of policy or procedure to do that. And I question to Mr. Ruby is are we obligated? This is something the residents have requested or 37% of them based on the sheet we got. Um are are we required to do a split or is if they're coming and asking that this be done? It's not in our plans. We don't have any plans to do any dirt roads. Are we obligated to to cover half of it? And did the people that sign it, did they know that there is that there is a possibility that they're either going to pay half of the cost or maybe all if we're not obligated to? >> The people that I talked to that are on that list, >> they are showed interest. So once we figure out what it's going to cost or what the final cost is going to be, then they will, you know, say whether they want to do it or not. But I just got to figure show the interest, but they're not going to give me a yes or no until they know what our proportions going to cost. >> And Mr. Mayor, >> and I believe that years back we did get a price to do it. that price went back to the residents and we got nothing in return from no responses. I just didn't want to go through the cost of that. So I I'd be interested to know what a feasibility report cost and are the residents willing to pick up the cost of that? Are we building them for that? Because this is not something that we as a council have talked about doing. Um, and if we set a precedent, we had a lot of dirt roads here that people maybe want to have paid. And then as this is the first time that we we would pave a dirt road um to Mr. Ruby, are we obligated to use the same procedure that we do when we reclaim a pave road or is this on the citizens because they want it? >> Mr. to answer the question if if I thought I heard it correctly and I apologize some of the sound but no the city council is not obligated to to undertake this road improvement project as requested even if it had 100% of the property owners requesting it you're the city is still not bound to undertake this project with regard to the how you aortion any cost sharing the city council is not obligated ated to share any cost. The council's policy could be 100% property owners be the assessment. The engineer when he was responding to Natalie's question about this proposed project was utilizing historic data that the city has done in in other situations which may not be exactly apples to apples to this situation. This is all within the the purview of the council to determine what your policy for any cost sharing might be from all of it where the council will pay 100% to the council will pay nothing. So it is but if what I was trying to just emphasize it if you are going to have the residents pay a proportionate share of the cost then you know we we're going to and we're going through and it's not 100% driven by all the property owners then we are going to need a feasibility report. That would be the next step to to identify the potential cost identify the area that might be assessed. what that assessment amount might be. The typical information that that we that Shane Nelson typically provides at an improvement hearing. >> Mr. Mayor Counc question question for you Bob. If we're I was trying to comprehend what you were saying. Um, if if there was if the entire cost was assessed to the residents, does that still have to go I does that still go through a feasibility study? >> Yes. If the if you're assessing any portion of the cost to the residents, chapter 429 mandates the the uh use of a feasibility report. >> Okay. No, that Okay. I was just just clarifying because I thought I heard something different. So, I just wanted to make sure. and is and I know you don't know exactly but as far as the 429 it has to um you'd have to basically prove that it's improving the um property by a given amount. That's true. It's what it under chapter 429 what it's referred to council member is the benefit test >> right >> and the easiest way to understand it is if my house is worth a h 100,000 in the before with a a dirt road and then it's worth maybe and then the question is how much is it worth after the roads improved with puminous and that that say it's worth $120 20,000 that 20,000 is the benefit and that's the amount we up to that we could assess but that amount is subject to interpretation and that's usually played out by appraisers and if somebody disagrees with the city's amount of the assessment they could challenge it and then it's we we fight it out in district court with experts and with the property owner getting their engineer and and appraiser involved, the city getting their engineer and appraiser involved and ultimately the tri fact the judge or jury makes that decision. Is there that benefit? >> Sure. >> Let's not go there. >> No, no, so as a follow-up question. Sorry. Um, in your opinion, and I completely understand, you cannot give a specific example because of these specific circumstances, but is there some ballpark number that theoretically could be used in a a um rural community that going from a gravel road to a asphalt road would roughly increase the property value? >> I could say maybe. I I'm guessing, but what I've seen is usually it's o over 10 and usually the if if you're going from basically a gravel or in a maybe or a dirt path to paved, of course there's going to be more of a benefit. I can't tell you exactly in your community what that benefit might be, but typically I I would think you could easily, you know, most uh appraisers I believe would probably look at it if it was over a $10,000, they probably wouldn't bat an eye, but I can't tell you that for certain. >> So, I'm just doing rough math in my head. If you took 240,000 divided by 16 properties for the whole project, that would be $15,000 per property if my math right. And I'm so I'm just trying to see if that would in at all fit in with the 429. >> Right. One one option would be if these residents were really wanted this project, they we could get a a feasibility report, know what the engineers estimate of the cost might be, and then we could ask the residents to uh sign a waiver, basically an agreement to pay that assessment amount over usually it's over a 10-year period. and with the interest being typically two percentage points over whatever we had to borrow the money to to be able to do the project. And so if we had to borrow the money at say 4%, we have to have a gap between what what the interest rate that we're charged and what we charge them of a point and a half to two percentage points by under the bonding statute. So usually that would make that about 6% interest and we would basically if the engineer could put a feasibility report together the residents still wanted to look at this project and wanted to proceed then I would suggest if there if there's going to be a high assessment amount that we get waiverss from the residents ahead of time before we entertain it because uh [clears throat] this is not something that you would want to pay my office to defend in court because it's not covered by your insurance. >> Almost. >> Dang it. I lost it. Go ahead. >> Go ahead. >> Are you sure? >> Yes, I'll come back. >> Mr. Mayor, go ahead. Mr. Ruby, I have a hypothetical for you. So based on all this conversation, it seems to me that we could make a motion this evening to get an estimate from Hawinson Anderson and engineer Shane Nelson to do what the cost of a feasibility study specifically for Basalt Street. Find out what that cost is. bring that back to the council and bring that back to the residents [clears throat] because you know more than likely that I'm trying to I'm trying to think back I think our last feasibility study but it involved like five different areas five different roads >> yes >> and I believe that was about 30,000 for five roads >> so I'm assuming that feasibility study would be rolled into the cost of the um of the project if we if the residents chose to move forward forward and before anything that would be done, there would probably still have to be some type of public hearing for the the residents who didn't especially for the residents who didn't sign this document that we have here as far as showing a level of interest in having their road paid. So, are we out anything by making that motion to at least move forward, find out the cost of the feasibility study, get back to the residents, find out what the true level of interest is, come up with um make sure that the the the contractors that have provided these public bids have the proper specifications so to know that, you know, their costs aren't going to go up and at least start there. I I think >> I think that is I think that is a a valid method for approaching this. It solves the it it it meets the requirements of the statute. So basically what I thought I heard Mr. Mayor was order a feas order get a quote from Hawinson Anderson for preparing a feasibility study for uh this potential road project. And once that feasibility report is come back comes back, the next step is to on the on 429 as you guys know from doing these projects is to order an improvement hearing and that is the improvement hearing is where uh engineer Nelson and myself explain the project, tell people what their options are, get feedback from them. By that time, we will have information from the engineer about what he thinks the cost might be. And I would suggest if you do decide you're going to or uh go for the feasibility study, which is going to be required before we hold that public hearing, I would suggest you provide to engineer Nelson all of these different quotes and stuff because that may, you know, alleviate some of his work and cost, but gives him an idea of what people be willing to do. Um, if if somebody was willing to do work for free on our roads, I would we'd want to enter into an agreement with them to memorialize what they're going to do, when they're going to do it, and at at no cost to the city. If that option from I heard somebody named Paul, but if Paul was still willing to do that and had the means, methods, and equipment to do it, that may be something to to bring down the cost. But the the law requires a feasibility study to be the first stepping stone and I think getting a quote for that would be appropriate. >> We've had very very good discussion on this. So if we can summarize this feasibility study, we would like to get an estimate with that that talk about how many residents because I don't know if they've all signed or not signed and if with that leading to the uh improvement period. So we still got to talk about who would paid for the feasibility study but that can be done after we get the estimate. So >> one more comment there there has been history in the past for now and angle township that we have we have done road repairs like replacing culberts and have necessity 100% back to the residents. So just that it's not that it's not that we've only done 50. We have we have done 100% of that. >> Thank you for bringing that up. I did not know that. >> That's true. [clears throat] >> Under the old township please. So with that, um, we've got a request for council action here, but can we just summarize if I just make a motion to request an estimate for a feasibility study and then we can go from there? >> Mr. Mayor, >> I'd like to make a motion to authorize the city clerk to engage with engineer Nelson and Hawinson Anderson to get us an estimate for the cost of a feasibility study to pay the sol. Yes. >> Well, for I think first we need to because the residents need to know what that feasibility study is going to cost. >> Well, yeah. If it's only like $500 or $1,000, I can write you a check right now. It's good enough. >> So, it's going to be more than that now. >> Well, I'm sure. But I'm just saying, you know, I mean, >> well, donate 80,000. What's another 10? You know what? >> Right. We're going this far. Why not? >> Included with that um getting a specification from Mr. council [clears throat and cough] so that uh these contractors can be engaged uh in the meantime. So so not as not to delay any uh um revisions to the assets. So so this would be something we could get an estimate um literally once that estimate is in we could I believe we could plan for the improvement hearing so we could move forward. So it's a date we'd have to set um to do that. So, I'm assuming you would rather move quicker than uh slower on this. You're looking to get something done this year. Now, I don't know if that's possible. I'm not saying it is or it's not. >> Sometime in the near future, we'll be good with at least an idea. >> Well, yeah, cuz the calcium chloride that they just got done putting on is already drying out. So, it's not even lasting. And I get it. It's hot weather. It's dry. Blah blah blah. I get it. But it doesn't help when cars go down the road at 55 60 m an hour and you're all covered in dust when you're mailbox. No, I'm not. I just don't like it anymore. It's not [clears throat] fun. >> I put 35,000 gallons of water on it. >> It's a lot of water. >> Customer I think we need to take it one step at a time. The first thing is to get the feasibility the estimated cost for the feasibility study. Um send that to the to the residents and said this is what the study is saying. >> Yeah. And that's the motion on the floor. >> Well, you know, now it's discussion. So >> did we get a second? >> I'll second. Okay. Now discuss a second. >> You got a second. >> All right. So, so we'll get the feasibility study, but we already jumped to having a public hearing. We don't know whether or not the city what the city is going to how we're going to respond to this. If we're going to say we'll cover it all, we'll cover 50%, 60%, the residents cover it all. Before we have a public hearing to say this is what it's going to cost residents, we need that to as a council decide what our policy is going to be for taking dirt and and we could add that to next month's agenda. So right now we have a motion. We've got a second. Any other discussion on giving the estimate? >> Mr. Mayor, >> so to clarify, I heard two different things on this issue. One is to only get an estimate on the cost of the phys feasibility study. The other thing that I heard was to actually do the phys feasibility study and send it out to the residents. I just want to clarify what this motion is for. >> I thought I heard correct. >> Yeah, >> that feasibility study is going to be assessed to the residents. >> No, I I understand it. >> Yeah. So, it was it was to get an an estimate from Hawkins and Anderson what it would cost feasibility for that specific order. That was a motion and a second. But >> Mr. Mayor, we don't have a policy that says we can assess that the cost of the feasibility study, >> but we have we're we're not assessing it yet. We're finding out first. We're finding out what the cost of the feasibility study is going to be. >> We're we're not we're not employing Hawkins and Anderson to actually do the study >> before we know what the cost is. >> I heard you say assessing it to the residents. We haven't made that second step. So we're just getting >> we are parallel pathing this guys and we're getting here to get estimate over here. We can work on this. Nothing's been decided other than would like to get an estimate so we can inform the residents on what and we can figure that out but it's parallel path. Does >> that answer your question? You have other [clears throat] >> good enough? >> Okay discussion. >> Okay. We'll move forward with the vote. All those in favor say I. >> I opposed. Motion carries. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Got that part. >> I wish you were my >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you very much. >> Show us more support. >> Next one is the noise ordinance. Um, >> hold on a moment. Are we good to move on? >> Okay. I would like to move on to 7D, which is the noise ordinance. Um, there's two things. I know that Miss Johnson had to ask Mr. Rupy to clarify what what what his recommendation was on. I don't know if you have a full recommendation, but we can start with that. And then council member Glazer brought in the document also that Mr. Number one, uh, in looking at your ordinances, it does the only provision that I found applicable to the situation with these chickens was a a a provision in your nuisance ordinance section uh of V, noise ordinate, noise violations. And it said basically summarizing it says for for per noise violation for purposes of this section if it's a violation of Minnesota's rules chapter 7030 which incorporates it by reference it's it's considered a nuisance. the and the pro all of the other provisions in your ordinance that deal with sort of noise violations all relate back to dogs and and it's the chapter is in is titled dogs. So this is the only generic uh going under your nuisance ordinance which is typically this would be it's something that uh causes annoyance and so in this case it you know barking, baying, crying, howling are generally things that are considered a nuisance under your ordinance that would consider a noise violation. And this chapter uh incorporates by reference Minnesota rules 7030 which is the Minnesota pollution control noise section. The problem with this section is it's not user friendly because this is more for a industrial noises and so forth where the mindot is going to be doing this is more for industry and it requires measurement methodology. You have to have specific equipment that's doing it. You can't just go out there and take a tape recorder or on your on your iPhone and do the memo function and tape record it. You have to have specific equipment. You have to calibrate it with specific equipment before and after you do the measurements. You have to be you have to take the measurements in a certain distance. It's very very technical. So, it really I don't think would be something that would be as helpful as but that's the only ordinance that you have right now because this is a nuisance ordinance. I do believe you could modify your ordinance to try and take some of the language that you currently have that relates only to dogs and you could try to modify it for this situation and then take measurements because you do have in sort of the noise nuisance section for dogs. anything any dog that is, you know, barking uh for a five minute period. And so if you go out there with a and I'm sure this neighbor has done that, take a a take measurements and you have at different times of the day five minutes, that's a violation if you adopt that language. that that would probably be the ideal thing to change because that adopting some change in your nuisance ordinance does not require a public hearing. It does not require notice. It it it's something that you could do at your next city council meeting. You know, we have the language and you would adopt it. We publish it in summary format. Once it it's the newspaper and is published, it becomes law. So that's one option. And then the other option is sort of what I was emailed how other people handle it. Uh they where they have made changes to their zoning ordinance to prohibit them outright in certain areas of the community. And that problem is twofold. Number one, you have to go through a formal process. Public hearing planning in front of the planning commission notices have to be sent out has to go to the newspaper. And also anybody if you change a zoning ordinance, anybody that you change the ordinance on, they still are grandfathered in. So they have grandfather rights. So, I don't see prohibiting them and changing your subdivision ordinance to do that. You know, making it you can't have giddy hens or other types of chickens on certain size lots or within a certain number of feet of another property or whatever you or prohibit them outright that is going to that it wouldn't affect this neighbor because they would have certain grandfather rights. And so I don't know that that would be appropriate. I think the most appropriate method for dealing with this would be to change your language of your nuisance ordinance which you don't get grandfather rights in. And that's how we would propose to address it if if given the instruction by the city council. >> Mr. Mayor, go ahead. >> That change would certainly help because we have We don't just have residents with an issue with guinea hens. We have residents with issues with dogs that bark incessantly, you know, all hours of the day. So, this could be very helpful in uh across the city making that change. and and twofold. While we're we're in the process of rewriting our zoning ordinances now, you know, we we do something uh f for the future making some stipulations regarding um different types of animals that and it's not necessarily to restrict them because if you look at St. Peter, St. Petersburg, Florida. They permit any foul on residential properties, but um if there's a nuisance to any neighbor within 100 ft, well, they have to be removed. So, we don't we don't necessarily have to exclude something, but we can certainly do something that benefits everybody. So, any ordinance just they would be grandfathered in. So it' be a dual target looking at the nuisance or ordinance updating it now and then looking at our zoning ordinances afterwards because it' be grandparent there there are there are ways to manage a certain number of data fell and how they behave. Um, but you know, you still have to make sure that you don't imp impinge on the uh quality of life of your neighbors. >> Mr. Mayor, >> Bob, I have a question for you. If we do it through the nuisance and you change the dog ordinance to say animal ordinance or something to that effect, so because we do have it in place already for the dogs. Um, I've not received any complaints about consistent barking. It's more roosters. I've definitely had >> Yes. What we probably do is add a new section to your nuisance ordinance and then carry it over that same sort of language. bark, ba, cry, howl, or make other noise repeatedly over a five minute period of time with a 30 second or less laps of time between each animal noise during that five minute period. We need some sort of objective standard and usually most communities use five minutes and and and we need something like that. So what we would happen in that situation, we'd amend the ordinance. We'd have to have some evidence of the the the guinea fowls making the noise over that five minute period over a couple of different days. We keep track of it and then it would be if the property owners, you know, will not work with us to get rid of the the guinea fouls, we would have to bring a lawsuit >> that and we have done these enforcements for dogs. I've never I've never done one for for for for chickens, but we just just recently did a successful howling dogs, dogs barking all the time. And we did that same thing with with noise me, you know, with with just constantly measuring the the recording the noise. And we asked the judge at at summary judgement when we made a motion to to to for for the to just win this case without going to a trial because there was no tribal issue of fact. We asked the judge, "Do you want to listen to all this or do you want to just take our word for it in the affidavit?" And the judge said, "No, I'll I'll we had these on a drive for the judge to listen to if they wanted to, but the judge declined to do so. He took our word for it." So Bob, so the steps would be our nuisance. We would do first the letter, the warning, and then the couple of fines, and then I would send it to you. >> Yes. So typically a court wants to see that we tried to resolve this. First would be the ordinance would need to be amended to address this specific situation. Then once the ordinance is in place, a letter to the property owner saying, "You're in violation of our our nuisance ordinance. Cease and desist. You've got a certain period of time to to, you know, relocate the the guinea fowls." And if they're not going to work with us and do this, then the next step after that would be to initiate a court action. All we need from the council u we don't have an RCA in front of us that we can talk about this is make a motion to um have Mr. Ruby update nuisance ordinances to include animal to include animals not just dog >> okay do Mr. Mr. Mayor, go ahead. Do we want it to be that broad or do we do we are we do we want to be specific like some other cities are about Mr. Ruby in amending that current >> um the nuisance ordinance >> can we be specific as to the the the species of animal? >> Yes, you can. So, you know, if we follow what other cities are doing with guinea heads and poll, I I don't know what a poll is, but um sounds interesting. Uh [clears throat] >> do we include roosters in there? >> Yes, please. >> Can I Can I ask a question, Mr. Mayor? >> Go ahead, sir. >> What What is making the noise? I heard I thought I heard chicken. I mean, is this a If we're going to be very specific, I'd like to make sure I address whatever type of animal is making the the the creating the nuisance. >> It's a guinea, mr. Guinea are are a uh species of fowls that are originally native to the continent of Africa. >> Okay. >> They're not chickens. Would the Would the Would the council be looking for something like what Sacramento County, California did, which prohibits guinea hens, peels, and roosters? >> That's that's the z that's a zoning. But is that the type of animal that you want to be subject to this nuisance? >> So, I think yes. Guinea, guinea p is what they're calling on here. Uh, rooster specifically, uh, is the other one we've had multiple complaints about. Is there anything else other than those two? >> So, I think we can be pretty specific. >> Would it be better to be a little bit more broad though, so that if someone else does have something else, I mean, guinea hens is something that was come up, the roosters has come up, and suppose somebody's got one of those, you know, pigs that make all the noise or whatever. I can promise you that if we start going down this road, all these neighbor issues will be coming forward. So, >> I would like to be specific with those two and have it written broad enough to include other animals. So, we don't have to write every specific, but we have two specifics right now. So, let's put them in there. I I'm going to advocate for the rooster because we don't have a rooster at home at this time. We do have tickets, but um I personally and I know some roosters can be an issue, especially if there's more than one. That's tends to be where it becomes more of an issue. Um, so I we have a lot of hobby bars and you know this could get into a situation where it's not necessarily a quality of life issue is maybe somebody that's moved to the country and and isn't used to you know any foreign office. It's a great >> I can tell you two of the complaints that we have are from residents that are long-term and people that have moved in and they've gotten roosters and the rooster is like crazy and just goes all day long like that. He's come in and shown me or you know given me recordings of the same thing. So >> it's it's a misnomer that the that the rooster only cry crows at dawn. >> Yes. So, but it's no different than these guinea pins as far as a complaint is, you know, goes for more than five minutes continuously. >> Mr. Customer, >> have we with all these complaints, have we actually got physical written complaints submitted to the office? >> We do. >> Okay. >> Okay. And and have we verified via our current ordinance about the size of the parcels whether they they're in compliance or not? >> We have. And they are in compliance. are us typically more than 3 acres. >> Yes, >> but they could be 3.25, >> right? No, I understand that. I But but you know, we do have things that if you're less than 3 acres that shelters have to be so many feet off the yard and and all this stuff that I don't know that how much of a difference that's going to make, but at least we we already have some ordinances, some uh ordinances, rule of regulations already in place, and I don't know if they're being enforced or not. Any other discussion on this? >> So, we have a motion to have work on them. >> I'll make a motion. I would like Mr. Ruby, excuse me, Mr. Rupy to uh update our nuisance ordinance to include guinea fowl hens, guinea hens, and roosters to the noise ordinance. You have to be careful with roosters. I get it. But at the same time, that's my that's my motion. Mr. Mayor, would you mind amending that to include PAL because >> it could it's it could come up. >> But what is PA? >> P. So if you look on this on this sheet of different cities that have different or ordinances pertaining, it's it's another type of noisy bird. >> Yeah, absolutely. We should probably put PAL. So amend my ordinance to include PA which I don't know what it is. >> So gauge fel and pow. >> Okay. because I'm assuming many hands are included in the ven diagram of gine fowl. >> I will restate my motion. All right. I would like to have Mr. Ruby update our nuisance ordinance to include guinea foul p fowl and roosters. >> That's clear enough. >> Mr. Mayor. Yes. Question. Are you [clears throat] certain that they're getting hens? >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. I you verification. I I got plenty of verification. >> That would just work if it turned out. >> No, no, you can tell based on the noise reach alone. [clears throat] >> You you can >> the bird app >> the bird app just says shoot yourself because you can't deal with the the noise. But I mean I I I'm sitting here thinking and again you know somebody has a loud radio. Do you ban radios? No. Somebody comes in and they have a like let's say I take my muffler off my car and I park it on my border and I just rev it up nonstop. It's almost like these people have no conscience of anybody around them but themselves. So I'm kind of thinking, you know, there's a reason why other cities in an open county have prohibited roosters because they can be annoying and they just said you can't have them. It's the same thing with these guinea hands or it's and again I'm thinking you can't outlaw stupid or you know you just can't. But at the same time I'm almost thinking you want to be able to anybody coming out here thinking they can do anything they want and it's bugging their neighbors. You guys got to want to be able to do something about it because right now I'm told can't do anything. Too bad. You know, it's it's frustrating because again, they have six acres, I have three acres. It's a it's not a farm, it's a residential area. >> Okay, we got to move on. Did we get a second? There we go. Thanks. [clears throat] >> Anything else? Discussion, move to vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed? Motion carries. All right, we're working on it. >> Okay, ma'am, you are up on the award. Um for contation, I presented um budgetary information as of basis of today. Um where we sit in project costs and donations. Um we were [snorts] as much as we we tried to get people we were very um fortunate to have businesses and individuals donating but it was a big mountain to climb. So in conversation with myself and um we had a I had a conversation um that how are we going to get the dollar amount down? Okay. >> Can I ask just for clarification? So on the left side was the original budgetary information. On the right side is the updated. >> Yes. >> Okay. So just so when you're looking that doesn't make sense. >> We originally had $47,560 budget based on estimates for >> not not budget cost. Yes. I'm sorry. Cost. And that was not we weren't doing anything illegal. Um it was nice. It was respectful. Um which is what we wanted to do for our veterans. Um, but looking at what we were able to get in donations, and we were very fortunate to get a nice donation from the Mel Lions, we were short money and about $13,000. So, and myself, I thought if we take out the flag poles and we just stay with our one existing flag pole, we could save $10,660. Original thought, we're going to have three five 5 in poles, two new, one existing. Um, by taking out the two poles, that also decreases um our concrete costs because along the base of each pole, we are going to have decorative blocks um to set them off and to hold the electric the lights. And those were bid at $2,500 a piece. So, I took two of those out. So, that went down5 5,000. We can also look to maybe scrunch the square footage of it a little bit too. That would help bring that cost down. But with the change of no flags and less work from B construction, we're down to 32,22 32,260. We have raised funds at this point where we have a surplus now of $19,64 >> 1900. I'm sorry. I've been looking at these numbers. $1,964. We continue to take donations because we don't have any overages in here. If they find something underneath that, the wiring goes really bad. Um, so we would still continue to raise some funds. Any funds that are raised will go into like extra is landscaping around it. We really haven't talked about [snorts] landscaping. We could now do some some landscaping around it to have some soft skates. Um so I would like council to direct um the committee to move forward in contacting the um vendors to say it's a goal. I would contact the light company and tell them we're unable to do it this year. >> So moved. >> So that's a second. >> That would be a motion. >> Did you make a motion? >> I I thought I said it. >> It didn't sound like a motion. So the motion on the floor has been >> Yes. >> Second. Any other discussion? >> Any other discussion? >> Okay. So, was it Mary or Dan? >> Give it to Mary. >> We will state that we budgeted 20,000. We are using that 20,000. Excellent job, uh, Council Rainbow on getting donations and thank you to the now Lions for the $7,000 donation which really bumped us up substantially. >> And we're currently with the revised plan. We're under budget, but there's theoretically a bit of a surplus that probably might be used to cover any extra added expenses. >> Any other discussion? >> Let's move to vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. >> Thank you for all your work. >> Okay. So, at this point, we need to close the meeting. So, we can't go to >> No, we have all that's right. >> So, Bob, what is the right thing to do? Well, are you at the point where you're ready to close? >> We're ready to close the meeting. >> Then, Mr. Mayor, I request that you announce that the city council will be going into a closed session pursuant to 13D.05, subdivision 3B, in the matter of to discuss with the city attorney the ongoing litigation in the matter of Jill D. Gustson and Daniel E. Gustiffson versus the city of now then. >> Okay. So, at this point, I'm requesting that uh to everybody that we're going to move into a close meeting for section 13D053B to discuss with the city attorney uh on the gusto litigation. So, we're going to close the meeting and then I need to ask everybody to step out because it's close. >> Thank you for attending today. Thank you. Thank you, Bob, for the guidance on what to say. I I wouldn't have put up with that myself. That's Swson. You probably had