6 o' Good afternoon. It's July 8th and we'll start our city council meeting here at 6 o'clock. So, start with the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to stand with liberty and justice for all. Miss Johnson, you do roll call, please. Council member Wayne here. Council member Spencson here. Attorney Rupy here. Lieutenant Banger here. And fire chief Miller here. And myself Natalie Johnson. Roll call is complete. All right. So the code of contact is posted on the back there if anybody needs that for reference. Um we got one interesting fact agenda but so June 30th of 2008 city of Alvin uh voted to become a city. So it was on July 8th 2008 that they had the actual first city council meeting. So 17 years ago today was the first council meeting this city would now then. So interesting fact to share. Um, I'm sure it's evolved a lot in 17 years. Some of you may attest. All right. So, let's go on and uh talk about the agenda. Mr. Mayor. Yes, sir. If there are no amendments, I'd make a motion to approve the agenda as presented. Mr. Coach M, but I do have an item I would like to add under old business B and it's in the stack of things now Natalie or Gla gave you and it's just an update on the Veterans Memorial redesign and I have a specific question for our two uh military members on how something needs to be worded. Any other on make a recommendation to add the car show to the consent agenda that was also printed. Um it's approval for temporary golf club agreement and car show. It's a combination of both adding to the consent. We also had one more that uh since Mr. Rupia is on and he's going to be on during the JPA portion of it. I would like to move the comments from 11B which is uh the zoning ordinances and let them talk right after the JPA so it'll become 4A or 4B or whatever the case is. So why we have him on and then he doesn't have to stay on for the whole meeting if that would be acceptable. So Mr. Mayor Councel just to clarify you mean 11 A. Um and West 9 is different. So it would be 11B residence for the zoning ordinance update. 11B would move to 11. Okay. I have a different agenda. So 11. Okay. Thank you. Yes. My agenda got updated. I guess is there any other recommendations for a motion? Um, I'll take a motion to amend the agenda as amended. As amended, the agenda as amended. All those in favor say I. I. Oppose. Motion carries. Agenda is complete. So we move to public forum. Have anybody that has signed up to speak tonight? Mr. N. All right. Anything else to public forum? Might be complete. Let's move to the consent agenda. Mr. R. Motion to approve the consent agenda as amended. Second. Second from Council Member Glazer. Any comments? All right, let's move to vote. All those in favor say I. Motion carries. Sent is complete. Let's move to the uh number three JPA conversation uh with Jer County improvements. Like yes sir. Okay. Just start members of the council. Thanks for having me in Oklahoma County here at your meeting tonight. My name is Jerry Roger. I'm an assistant county engineer and I'll let Jeff introduce himself. Jeff County Jeff County design. Um, thank you again for having us here. Um, can everybody hear us? I am running. I'm trying to talk to the microphone. Can you hear them? We have a green so um as part of our road project uh Boston Street Cassad 22 um we are at a critical point on this project where we are moving forward um with acquisition of rightway And I know Mr. Foster has been here before and may talked a little bit about the JPA um as part of this project and there is some cost share but um for our current cost participation participation policy um which is consistent throughout the county um does have some elements that uh we do share in the cost with the um the cities that we do do the work in. Um I would say that it it's small elements that are in the project that we do have um cost share. I would say that as part of this cost share with the city of Navan um a majority of the costs are attributed to storm water um storm water treatment as part of the project. A lot of the the storm water for the city comes off of private properties that flow towards the county roadway. And as part of those um that drainage that comes this way, we actually um have to treat that as part of our project. So um there's also some other elements such as concrete curb and better that are outside of the road. Um the reason we're putting in some of that concrete curb and better is to reduce the impacts to the private properties um along the corridor as well. So, um I guess from from this point here and I I haven't been bring the previous meetings. Um I don't know if I want to mayor if you want to open it up to questions or if you want me to keep talking about the project. Do you want to get ready to I'll open up for questions and see what questions the uh the council has there and then we can start from there and then we can continue dialogue if you have more to present. So open it up to Thomas. Any questions for uh for Jio direct from the county? Council member s um just uh uh you know I'm right here. So this is my first time around with you know county projects and I understand you know you're looking for us to chip in a fairly minimal amount compared to the overall cost of the project but it is a county road. So, I'm wondering, is it typical or even 100% standard across the board that cities are contributing at least something to these county road projects or are there any county road projects where the cities don't contribute? Um, mayor, members of the council, that's a good good question in regards to projects um such as reconstruct projects. Um, that's where we have a lot of the cost share that comes into these projects. Typically when the county does a resurfacing or a reclamation project where we come in and we uh resurface the road and we don't do excavations, regrading, adding shoulders to projects. That's where the county would come in and do um we pay for majority or all of the real work. Um for instance, five out in front of city hall. Um in the past the county came out, redid that project. There was not a cost share as part of that project. It was a reclamation project. We ground the road up and we repaved it and I believe that was done last year. So that there was no cost to the city. This is actually a reconstruct. We're adding safety improvements to the roadway such as shoulders and turn lanes as part of the project. And again trying to make the corridor safe uh for all users whether it's the people that live in the community or the people that are passing through the community. And with the project such as Bos Street, um it's such a narrow footprint, we are expanding the footprint of that roadway to include include those safety elements as part of the project. So to answer your question, it's very typical um when we get into the reconstruct projects that cities throughout the county according to the same cost part cost participation policy. Yeah. And I guess follow up, you know, I'm pleased that we're going to get, you know, a new road potentially. Um, and you know, only have to contribute what we contribute. I think our residents tend to benefit from that quite a bit, but ideally, you know, ideally we chip in as as little as possible. Is there any way for us to minimize the amount that we're chipping in? My understanding is it's based on the percentage of of storm water that comes from now then property versus county property. Is that correct? That is correct. And I mean is there a way to I guess minimize that um you know change the plan at all or is this sort of a thumbs up or thumbs down on this thing? That's something that's basically the drainage itself. Thank you. something that isn't going to really change the drainage that flows towards the road will drain that way in the future um outside of changing the properties outside of the project. You could not change that flow of water. So that's why it's based on the contributing flow and where where I get a little hung up I guess is that water currently does go somewhere and it will continue to go to wherever it goes now without those projects. That is correct. But any water that comes to that project and gets into a ditch system, that water has to be treated and that's not our requirements require MS4 requirement to treat the water. So we're taking that water that's going there today and we're actually going to treat it and take out the particulates and the silt and all the other things and that will actually end up at our pond retention pond where that will be treated. Whereas today it's just going straight into the wetland. So, it's actually going to better the water quality. I like that. Also, also the, you know, not only our roadway water is being treated, but also the outside water that's coming towards the roadway is also going into that drainage system and being treated. That's a requirement of MS4 just to keep our waters clean. All right. Well, that alleviates sort of my one big concern with this project is that the water currently goes somewhere. So why all of a sudden are we having to chip in tens of thousands of dollars to have it go the same place? But I mean that's that's a good explanation. I think it's sort of currently where or it is currently untreated and theoretically this is going to improve the water quality and yeah. All right. Those are all the questions I have. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I I understand the value of this project. What I'm not comfortable with is getting a bill that is due almost immediately for 73 almost $73,000. Um, we set our 25 budget. We are trying to stay within our budget and now we're looking at uh trying to come up with $73,000. I mean, I'm How do we do that? Do we lay off a public public works employee? Do we lay off an administrative staff employee? Do we increase all of our fees to our residents for a certain point to to cover that? Um I I just am very uncomfortable with that. I don't know how long the policy has been in place. I this is my 13th year on the council and I've never had the county come out and say this is what we're considering. What are your thoughts as far as um being able to impose these costs on cities? And so I I would be a no vote. Um I I do understand the value. Um but I just don't like that process. So mayor, may I respond? Member um in regards to your your question about paying for this um this participation in this project currently in 2025. We know that your budgets are set. Um we know that for a fact. This project's a 2026 project. Um what we would We want a little bit of flexibility and this is where I would say we would offer it up to work with your city staff and how you're going to move forward um in the future on how to um pay your portion of the project. we have provided some flexibility to other communities that are in your same situation where things are tight and you know you're looking at certain budget issues um with your community and I think we've also in the past have pushed out those payments um or we've split them into different calendar years to help offset some of those costs to the local governments. So, we'd be willing to um move move that money into say like 2026 or 2027 um to pay off uh a portion. We can do both years. We can push it all to 27. We do have as staff some flexibility to do that, but it but as part of our cost participation policy on what the communities pay for, we don't have a lot of flexibility there just to keep it fair for all of the other communities that are within the county. Sir, did you have a formal proposal on these uh you basically called a cost of fermenting? So, is there something that finally came across uh with that or is this just discussion or are you looking for proposals or this this is a really something that we can negotiate with your uh city staff or if you wanted us to negotiate at the council meeting, I'd prefer to work with uh your city staff to see what's the best fit for your community. The decision makers right here. probably the best format to talk about it and get buy in uh to get to get the vote to go forward. So if you had a proposal on exactly what you were offering. Okay. So just give an example. Can we pay half of it in 27 and half of it in 28 and pay nothing in 26? Is that possible? That is possible. Okay. Mr. Council me please. Was there when 22 was reconstructed, was there any um cost sharing involved with that at all? Um council members, I I was not with the county at the time. That's a that's a good question. We can do some research and find out unless Mr. Foster knows. I don't I don't believe in historically that there has been because we have not created any county ponds within the city of Nel then. So a lot of this has been a rural like 22 is rural. It didn't have ditches but we weren't conveying water at the time. This project right out in front of the businesses here it was so flat in the area there that we couldn't convey water to a centralized localized area to actually treat the water. So that is a requirement of MS4. If you can treat the water, you shall treat the water. If it's impossible to do without creating giant hills and creating your own flow, um then MS4 will allow that if it's absolutely cannot be done. So this stretch right out here did not have retention funds put into it. That's the reason we are looking for the JPA and the cost sharing agreement for B Street because we do have considerable flow from that large hill that flows from the north all the way to the south. So, um that's why we're street ponding locations on that project. So, that's the need for the JPA where this portion did. Thank you, Mr. Council. Are you done? Um also there was no costs associated um or payments required by the city in any of the com road projects that have occurred since I've been on the council. So this is the first one. So going forward, we have numerous county roads in our within our jurisdiction here and I would say B is probably one of the shortest ones. And so going forward, what is the plan to advise cities that 3, four years out, this is what we're going to do so that we can start to plan if this is going to be a mandatory um participation from the city. What can we do to plan forward um going forward? What what's the kindest thought on letting the cities know that you be you could come up to um be coming up to another another uh expense? Okay. Mayor, members of the council, um we do we do a five-year program and we do work with the cities about putting projects into the program. Um we did work with the past mayor to get this project into the program. Um, so it was it was put in as part of a project. Um, a county engineer Joe McFersonson and the mayor at the time worked on trying to get this project done. I would say we did an overlay or resurfacing on it. It's temporary to bandage the roadway together because at the time Highway 10 was starting to take off in uh Anoka and also in Ramsey in regards to the reconstruct out there and we knew that traffic was going to take alternate routes uh potentially on Bos Street. So we wanted to make sure that us as the county didn't have to send out the patch um daily because the road was at the end of its life. um we put a 2-in overlay over it just to bandaid it together for a few years to buy us some time to do the reconstruct. So, um, you know, we knew about this maybe 2, three years ago when it came into our program and, um, we can in the future make sure that we communicate to all of the council um, better to inform you and work with your staff to make sure that they're well aware of these projects to budget for them um, in the, you know, for the upcoming years that they come in for the program and they're delivered. So, but maybe one question I have is, and I should know this, is you're not um a state aid city. So, you don't have the opportunity to um use state aid gas tax that's allotted to the state aid cities. Um I don't know where you sit in your population, but I think that's um 3,600. You're very close. So, I know some communities are literally um they use that those funds to help fund the cost participation on some of these projects. So, that's an opportunity um when your community grows to the 5,000 mark. Um that's like 2050 a long time. Yeah. So, since now we don't get the gas tax, can the county do the tracks and reduce the cost? Unfortunately, not we cannot. It's for the cities. Mr. Mayor, to clarify, I think one of the challenges is when when I I know when you were out here presenting it, we had the the the community meeting here, we did have staff and the mayor at the time who who were in attendance and I think it the challenge was it was presented and oh yeah, you know, the the whole drainage ditch issue came up and that MS because it's MS4 that the city's going to have to pay something for it. So, it was brought up at the time. the question is it's kind of hard to narrow out the time exactly what the cost is and then now that we're getting closer to putting the project in it's like oh by the way here's you know we're getting ready to do it and now it's $70,000 versus you know I I don't recall because I was here for those meetings too to go well we probably guessed that it it's probably going to be about x000 so that maybe our staff could have been aware of it at the time because that was last that was last year sometime right when we had the the open house was there was a house. Yeah. On September 11th, right? Last year. Yeah. So, so but there was no dollar amounts or approximations and that's the challenge and I give it because it wasn't out for bid yet. You don't really know exacts. And that's the challenge that we have. So, now that we're kind of getting more closer to the time, it's like, oh, by the way, your part's going to be $72,000. It's like so yes, we were we our staff and mayor were aware of that there probably would be something but there was no suggestion of what and how much. So that's the challenge that we're running into now. So, and yeah, for um for a street like DA, when you look at it, even though it's it's a $70,000 bill, it's it's not a a long road stretch of road like Viking or Old Viking that we're we're you know, you're getting a little more um your cost per mile is a lot less. That's kind of part of I would see that to me anyway that's part of the challenge is the cost per mile is it's very it's very large when you if you just did some rough numbers and that's kind of a bigger pill to swallow ahead um not sure that anyone has the answer to this question but if we were to look at this as an opportunity to I guess do some of our projects maybe more cheaply say there's a road that comes off of BA and we want to push that ahead on the schedule and redo that road. Is there any way that the fact that is being torn up and redone at the same time creates cost savings in a project like that if it was directly perpendicular coming off of it? I guess I don't really know if if that does save any money or I can speak to that a little bit. We do do some uh city street improvements going back on a city street, but to do like an entire city street, an entire city street um is not really in the realm of our project and outside the scope of what we're doing. But to say if you had issues, low points or something, you know, 100, 200 feet down from the radius of Bos Street to fix something that needed to be fixed, something that was an issue that could be added into the plan, and that would be part of the cost sharing as well. That would go into your proportion of uh items that needed to be done, and it could be bid out at the same time, but those costs would be incurred by the city. Well, and I guess the there's that really only makes sense. There is a benefit if there's cost savings. So, like, you know, the overall project is what, like $6 million or $7 million. So, if that's the bid and we also threw on this crappy little road coming off of it, will it make redoing that little road cheaper for us than it would be just doing it on our own separately two years later? You know what I mean? Like, is there any transferred cost savings from the size of the project? In most cases, I would say yes, there would be. But like I say, we wouldn't go that far into the city street to do. You know, if there is something, you know, in the first block or something of that nature that needed to be repaired or fixed or something, that's something that could be added into the Bow Street plan. But an entire street or, you know, a development or something of that nature, it would be outside the realm of the of the county project. But there would be some cost savings because when they bid a large project like this, quantity is based on volume and price is based on that. So you could see some cost savings by doing it that way by adding it into a much larger project. So in that particular example, you'd have to partner with the contractor that is selected. You wouldn't partner with the county. Actually, it would be bidden with our project and it would be constructed under our contractor, whoever bids that job. Mr. Yeah, it'd be like our it'd be like our JPA we had last year with between Ramsay and now then to do the the the streets down by Rogers Lake where it was one big project but we shared it. So we had but it ended up being some I would see it be ending some something similar to that where the county there'd be a not the Nelan piece that we'd be responsible for paying for and then the county piece but it would be one big it was like Ramsay it was one big bid that they were responsible for and then they went hey Nelan this is your piece. Are there any roads coming off of that are on the list for the next five years? Potentially we'd again we'd have to go back to the road study and see what's what. But I I don't think that's going to be a decision that we're going to make tonight. I mean it just it would make it more palatable if the savings on whatever theoretical project that would be would be more or at least eat into some of what we're contributing to the reconstruction of B. I don't know. Just like that. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Council member, go ahead. To council member Spencer, council member Brian. Yeah, in order to do that, we would have I understand and it's good like we did with Ramsey last year, but we worked with Ramsey from the beginning and we were able to get our specs and all that and and done. So, um, have these bids gone out and you've accepted bids? Not yet. Okay. The bids have not gone. Okay. So, it may be something we could look at, but I don't know what the county's deadline is for needing information from us if we were to look at our five-year plan. And if any of those side streets off about um east or west needed to be redone and were within the next two years, it would be something we could look at. But again, I don't know what the county's deadlines are. Um, I don't know where those students come in with that within our five-year plan, but again, just coordination. Awesome. So, I have another question for you. So, we said this time because of the um and MSO, we have to pay for the water retention. But if you look at 22, it's got multiple large hills on it. Also, when 22 is done, was MSO in place at that point and that's why there was no cost or MS in place yet? It was in place, but it also had full width shoulders. So, we're because it already had the twoin shoulders. We came in, we did the concrete roadway and then added the batum shoulders back, but the footprint was the same size. Okay. When we were done with it, all street will be increasing that footprint and increasing the impervious by large amount and that's the reason for having that treated. No question. So, you're coming here and you're going to you're either going to approve or not approve. What are the consequences if we don't approve this? Does this project not reserve? Yeah. Members of the council, in regards to this project, we're at a strategic point where we do need to start acquiring right away for this project to continue the project forward. If the city is not interested in moving the project forward, we would um we can have even more conversations, but we're kind of at a critical point where in order for us to deliver the project next year, we got to start acquiring now because it takes about nine months um to acquire the rightaway in order for us to deliver the project. So, um, if there's some hesitation on the city's part, um, we we want to know that now before we start acquiring property and potentially not having a a future project. So, answer your question, if it does, if you're not interested in moving forward, I think we have to regroup as a the county and say, what do we do? Um, so it's not it's we don't know. Well, no. It is right now the roadway is in I would say okay of shape. Um it may last a couple years, might last three years just with that pavement that we put on there. Um there's no safety elements that is part of um what's out there today. This this project is adding safety elements to the to the corridor. So not having a willing partner, we do need to get consent. we do need to get a JPA from the city and if city doesn't want to sign a JPA then we don't have a partner in the project and we wouldn't move it forward. Okay. So, can you summarize the benefits what the residents and all of them would get if this goes through? Okay. They know what the consequences are. We're going to pay $72,000. Yeah. So, as part of the project, um part of the big element of the cost is storm water treatment. Um and and 44% of that is water that comes from adjacent properties that is not from the county right away. So it's out of the private properties or the city roads. Um there's some curb and gutter that we do a 50/50 cost share on. Um and that's curbon gutter to slide the roadway over so we don't have we have less impacts in some of those uh near properties that are close to the roadway. And then there's also uh some prrated uh traffic control for the city uh city's cost share portion and then also mobilization. So um Jeeoff, am I missing anything else? That's get a completed road that is has shoulders, has turns, it'll be safer for the residents to drive on. That is correct. That's probably the most important thing that the smooth smooth riding road and safer streets for the res. That's what you already said in 2000. So the question is what do the residents want to do? Okay, Mr. Mayor, go ahead. Let's say let's say hypothetically there was a no from the council at this point in this case out three years. Is the design going to change? if it even if it gets pushed out that I couldn't tell you straight up be changed or if that would be uh we'd have a different design consultant at that time. Right now we have WSB a consultant that's doing the design on this just overseeing it but um other elements may change with it but uh overall footprint of it it would basically be the same thing and is it it's going to next year correct mayor can I jump in so maybe two things to consider if the water treatment requirements change then we have to upgrade the water treatment so whatever those standards may and they may not. They may be the same within say 3 years. And the other thing that you mentioned, council member, costs are probably going to go up. They're not going to go down, they're going to go up. So this is probably the cheapest at this point and what it would be for the for both the county and the city. Um I don't see our cost participation policy changing. Um we have looked at the cost participation policy compared to the other seven counties in the metro. I would say Inoka counties is the fairest out there um compared to what other counties are charging their community uh partners. So they're um ours is relatively the least expensive to the cities. And then have water treatment requirements ever become less restrictive when when they've been changed? Typically every five years they ramp up a little more and a little more. or some more requirements. Thank you. Any other questions for Jerry or Jeff County? Mr. Mayor has had a comment to make. If we're looking at, you know, granted it's it's kind of hard to fit in the budget, but if the county has said they're willing to work with us for as far as a payment procedure, even stretching it out to 28, theoretically that splits this out could theoretically split this out for four years, uh, depending on where our budget ends up this year. And so that's less than $20,000 a year over the next four years. and and with everything else about cost costs going up, requirements changing, um you know, I would say let's it would it's probably worth a while to just do it and get it over with because yes, the having the safer road with the wider shoulders. I mean, I have heard comments and seeing comments all the time about, you know, there's no shoulders on on everybody's, you know, you can't it's even just to have an extra shoulder so you could, you know, cross on on your bike, you could you could be able to do that then. can't really do that now easily. We are safe. So, just wanted to make that comment. All right. Any comments? Mr. Mayor, do you want to get Bob's comments? Yes. Yes, please. Mr. Ry, do you have a comment to add? Yes. I've reviewed the proposed JPA with the county. I find the the contract uh lays out exactly as the county proposed. It's a basically the t the count the city's estimated cost share is about 1% of the estimated project cost which although maybe uh uh something that wasn't planned for by the city in its budget is is lower than what I've seen in other JPAs that I have reviewed for other communities and the other aspects of this contract it is Shane engine uh Shane Nelson your city engineer has expressed that he supports this project because it improves the safety of the for the traveling public. Uh the one thing I'd like to point out is that this contract does have the city being responsible in the long term for any storm water ponding infiltration basin maintenance. My understanding from talking with engineer Nelson, the city engineer, is that he believes that's acceptable for the city uh from uh that and so that was and then the other aspect of this contract that I had some concerns with uh engineer Nelson has been in communication with the county and clarified the county's position. we would only be responsible for additional cost other than the 72,000 approximately of 72,523.36 if we were going to do our own any sort of additions to this according to engineer Nelson when I talked to him there wasn't any plans for that so I don't anticipate any additional costs other than what was been discussed here tonight and according to engineer Nelson. Uh the the storm water ponds. Um the maintenance, the long-term maintenance of that is something that the city needs to recognize they'd be responsible for under the terms of this contract, but it is not something that at least engineer Nelson thought was something the city could not undertake. Sorry to get something. Please note coach stands you have a print out from Miss Johnson giving Shane Dawson's comments as Mr. Ry just talked about. Mr. W is there any other comments? Not on this contract, your honor. Okay. So, are we ready to move forward? Any other discussion? Can we move forward and debate? Mr. Mayor, right? We're going to make a motion to approve the joint pilot agreement for the reconstruction of county state aid highway 22 between county road 64 and county road uh 22 in the city of Nana second. We got a second from councel grazer. So move to vote. All those in favor say I. All right motion carries. We're going to move on to the next one which is engineering. Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Whippy, you have additional comments uh in the zoning ordinance updates which was 11. Mr. Mayor, I was provided a copy of both proposals, one from WSB and one from collaborative planning, who is your current planner, Cindy Nash. And I've reviewed those. WSB's proposal is a is a fee is proposed to be 30,000 whereas Cindy Nash's proposed fee is 20,000 a $10,000 difference. It wasn't clear from the proposal submitted by WSB if this was a fixed rate not to exceed amount of 30,000 where Cindy Nash's was for the work that she quoted was a fixed rate not to exceed. So that would have to be clarified so that the city didn't get additional costs that they were not anticipating if they were going to go with WSB. Another major component of this proposal is that WSB schedule is approximately 10 months to a year before a finished product versus collaborative planning. Cindy Nash proposal said that this could be scheduled within six months. Uh so basically kind of a six months difference. Uh this could be important if the city looked to be putting any sort of a moratorum on new applications pending zoning ordinance review and updating. Uh, with regard to the WSB proposal, my other general concerns is it appears that they have a $3,000 portion, task number one of a for $3,000 of basically uh getting uh familiar with the city staff and the planning commission and your ordinance, a kickoff, a tour and kickoff meeting to review everything and stuff for 30,000 where Cindy Nash is already familiar with your ordinance and is been the one who has been working with my office and with me on each of the various issues that have arisen in the last couple of years with regard to your zoning ordinance where she identifies potential problems. She's in the past called me to work through those problems. And then she has told me that she's keeping a a checklist of items that need to be addressed in any future updates of the zoning ordinance. So I think that is something that WSB would not have because they don't have that intimate familiarity with the zoning ordinance as it currently is to identify the problem areas and what needs to be updated and and sort of fixed. Uh so that keeping of those notes of the items of concern that she's had over the last couple of years would be very helpful in amending your ordinance to get a a good product. Uh I'm not sure that if WSB updated without that level of experience with the zoning ordinance would they capture all of the different uh areas of concern or problems. I know that I did not keep that that list because Cindy told me on the phone each time that she was going to add it to the list. So, she's been keeping that, not me. So, I wouldn't The other issue that I would have if if the WSB is preparing the zoning update, then I might have more work to do and reviewing it. And clearly both parties anticipate the city attorney review and editing this. If she does it, if Cindy's doing it and she's got the list, she'll capture everything that she and I have talked about that we have discussed both to you as a council and you and various council members individually about over the past year or two. The So that's one other item. So I think you might and my time is not kept by any of these proposals and so I would like to limit my time in reviewing this and I believe that might be uh best by Cindy Nash's proposal. The one thing that that Sydney also proposes is a summary memo, which would be something I believe that would be helpful for the city council and for residents if especially if you're going to put that on the website to identify the areas that have been modified and updated. So, that be helpful. One thing that WSB proposes that Cindy Nash does not have in her proposal is an openhouse or community meeting. I think that might be helpful to explain any proposed changes in the in the zoning ordinance to residents and to ask questions. That is not included in Cindy's proposal. It is included in WSBs. Um and uh the other issues that I I saw here that I would need to uh the scope of the work that Cindy Nash and the other planner proposed, we'd need to clarify. Cindy Nash is clear in her proposal that it's only submitting a first draft. However, in her proposal, she refers to meetings with the uh steering committee that is going to be appointed to work with earlier drafts. So, I would want to know from whoever you're choosing here, what are they looking at in what they're proposing to provide and how many meetings are they doing it? Cindy Nash is clear of what meetings she's going to propose. The WSB proposal talks about two planning commission meetings and two city council meetings, but that's under task number three that you saw. But task number two, when she's creating this and diagnosing the the zoning ordinance, doesn't list any meetings. Does that mean that there are no meetings scheduled? Is that meaning there's no limit on meetings? I don't have the answer to that, but we'd need to clarify that with WSB if this was somebody the planning comm uh the city council was planning on going and doing. Um those are I guess the comments that I would have overall. I would probably suggest it's cheaper probably with Cindy Nash to stay with uh updating your zoning ordinance in that her overall uh fee is 20,000 versus 30 and she's got more familiarity with it. There's a better chance that she captures all of the problems that you guys have identified over the course of of the last couple of years. And uh I'll be happy to stand for any questions you might have. Questions for Mr. Rippy? Sorry. One comment just uh to say is just like you stated the scope of work. Uh if you look at the deliverable as we're looking at from Miss Nash, it's it's only through draft. It's not a final copy. Uh and then switching to an hourly basis. So I'm a little bit concerned on that is what I would like is a a complete delivered product. You know, I do understand that from draft to filing there could be some evidence that need to be had, but I do have that on WSBs that they're talking about delivering a final product and they give a a complete cost. So I think uh some some differences in their proposal like you stated. Yes. Could I ask Natalie or someone else to summarize your your question for me because you you are garbled on my end? I think that's due to your position and according to this and we're going to have Okay. So Bob, yes. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes, I can. Okay. So, what he's asking is Cindy's doesn't come through uh the full final ordinances and WSB does um meaning that she's going to go to an after the first draft. And I think I can probably add a little bit to that is that with the history of the city and the numerous numbers of meetings that we have to have to um complete something. She was worried, you know, that she would get, you know, stuck with eight meetings and not getting paid for any of that. And I believe that's a I imagine that's a probably accurate uh comment, Natalie. But the other thing that I would suggest if that's a item of concern is that before if that was if you were thinking of WSB we would want to be very clear that WSB is not putting any limitation on the number of meetings because I as I stated earlier in my comments that is something that needs clarification. In task number three, they listed two planning commission meetings and two city council meetings, but in task number two, they didn't. Does that mean that they're just going to listen to what people have to say in task number one, then they take it aside, do all the work, and then they do reference meetings with steering committee and staff. Is there a cap on that number of meetings in task number two? And I don't know that. Hey, Counc. Yeah, I guess my thought addressing that is let's get an apples to apples good bit out of these two. And I I do get the I do get what you're saying, Mayor. It would be nice to have a a set bid all the way through final product. But I also understand Miss Nash's concern and what Miss Johnson pointed out and Mr. Ruby that, you know, there's no telling how many meetings it's going to take, how many comments, etc. So, I mean, maybe an idea would be to ask Cindy, you know, if she could include in her bid the thought of, you know, exactly what WSB did, two planning commission meetings, two city council meetings or whatever is, you know, our best prediction of how many meetings it's going to take and have that in the bid and then anything beyond that would be up for hourly fee or or what have you. Um, you know, I um and then also asked Cindy, you know, what she would charge for a like an open house to explain this thing to people because I I agree with Mr. Ruby that, you know, that sounds like a pretty good idea. And so, it would be nice to get an apples to apples bid here for the exact same scope of of work because right now they're a little inconsistent. Um, but it does appear to me that Cindy's is probably still the cheaper of the two when considering the work. But I guess I don't know for sure. That's my thought. Mr. Mayor, um, I I prefer to go with collaborative planning. She's been with the city. She understands our issues. I think there'll be too much of a learning curve for the the WSB. Um there are some things that need to be clarified. Um but Cindy understands our our our problems and because she's had to deal with them. And um I think in previous communications she's given some good ideas as to how to make the process easier for the residents and the staff and our and our planner. Um, I think if we get those questions answered, um, I I'm comfortable with collab collaborative planning unless there's some big difference between the two. So, I'd like to not vote on this tonight at all and ask the staff to take back try to get as much apples to apples comparison with the additional meetings. See if somebody will take it and put a complete cost in there with a limited amount of meetings, what that looks like. Um, and go that way. We'll bring it back next month or whenever it's ready to be presented. Good with that. Go ahead. Is that including what it would take to actually get it from draft to final product? Yeah, I would think that would be be worth doing and it's really important so that we can actually just have that one done and what what the actual cost would be. And I think there's there got to be a way to figure out roughly how much that would cost. And if it's one meeting or two meetings or whatever, then that I would think city should be able to collaborative planning should be able to factor that into that it may or may not be needed. So Mr. May, go ahead. For clarity, I just want to make sure that we also want to have the open house. That was one of the things that hers did not include. Do we want to have her include that? open house. So, Mr. Mayor, could that open house just be part of a PNZ meeting? I mean, our P&Z agendas have not been real heavy. The future will be um she's already doing a PNC meeting. I think that's a fine recommendation. Yep. You're all right. Good. So, Mr. If there are no additional questions, I would move that we table this until um the August or September meeting depending on how long it takes for staff to get our questions answered. Second move to vote with any other questions. Oh, it's just table, right? Do we do the other table's just table? Table is a table but better better to vote. Practice we can vote. Yeah. I don't think it t you guys unmute. All right. So, um, is that it for Mr. Whoopy? Unless the council has anything else on the agenda you'd like Mr. Rupy's opinion on. All right, Mr. Whoopy. Thank you for attending and uh, you get to sign off. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Councel. All right. So we will move on. Um under engineering we know from sitting on the JP and says he's not deployments. Is that correct? Engineer. I had a council member request that we go through the street assessment process so that residents understood um exactly how that works with all of the steps. Um I believe you've all had a chance to review it. Is there any questions on that? I don't have any questions on it. Mr. Mayor, Council Member, I don't have any questions about it. I'm glad to see this. Um, is it something that we can incorporate on the website? Absolutely. So, this was uh we had some residents even here asking questions on how the process works, how long we'll have to pay for it. So, it's clarification. So, posting on the website would be fantastic. Mr. So, I know there's one question on if that's to say I didn't if as resident I chose not I chose not to make the one-time payment and that it got assessed over 10 years. Is there possibility of say in year five paying it off? There is not with the county at this point. Well, I think that needs to be in here because that that would save that question from that would answer that question before it's asked. You know, I should rephrase. You may not make larger partial payments. They can pay it off. When you're fired, I want $5,000,000 and I'm done. You pay 3500, meaning you can't however it is. I think it would be good to have that in here. Okay, those are key questions that need to be answered. So that so that if it does come up that is taken care of. Um, and um, I mean there just some generic wording things that I can just email you and you can decide to incorporate them or not about not changing the overall meaning just about what step five, what step five actually is and whatnot. I can just email you my changes. Perfect. Thank you. Or recommendations I'll say. All right. And you want something to do that'll be posted on your website. We move on to the department. Truth Miller. Thanks for accept M Johnson and M. All right. Counc here to give the monthly um update for June. Uh June was a busy month for us not only in calls but in activity for the department button itself. So, uh, we'll start out with 19 calls for service. Um, three of those are fires. Um, and all of those were mutually players to other cities, which, um, that's kind of standard for us. Um, nine, two personal accidents, one hazardous condition, carbon dioxide um, detector and four calls for service for good intent calls. Things like, uh, standbys, uh, cancel routes, questions from citizens. We get those on occasion. So, um, all that not uh too terribly of a month for calls. Um, bring some exciting things for the department. Um, we're still doing the tanker. Um, tanker is leaving Florida on Friday. Um, and with that, uh, Captain Os, Captain Nelson, and firefighter Paints went down in June to finalize the tanker and found some issues that had to be fixed before it could be sent. Um, and what they did is they took the the spec and the bid that we basically what we had paid for. Um, went through that and made sure that everything matched. And so that was a a three-day kind of project for them. Um, and they found several items that needed to get fixed, which was um, awesome. And so factories fixing those before they send it up here from Florida. That's fantastic. And that's why we do uh, a factory acceptance test. Absolutely. And so um, so those items are caught. Um it now becomes uh it gets shipped up here. It's uh it's leaving Florida on Friday. It'll be up there next week. It's going to be at the the local um manufacturers hub here. Um fire safety when they're going to do the final installs, things like radios and stuff like that. That doesn't get done at the factory. So that'll take about a week and a half, two weeks, and then we should be um ready to put that in service. So in July it will be a no then. In July it'll be a no then. That's that's where we're at. So, which is a great thing. Um, also, excuse me, also in June, Lakeside Governments, um, Benny, uh, office space for us in the in the fire station. So, those of you who've been in the fire station, we did have a a small office space there that, um, kind of a makeshift desk. We shared it with the the, uh, sheriff's office. Sheriff's office had a really nice plastic table in there. uh over here wasn't conducive to writing reports and things like that. Um this spring I had approached Lakeside Academy to um give us quote on on redoing that office space um to make it um well an office space something that we could actually use. Um they came back and said you know what we're just going to benefit this project. What do you need? Um and so um we worked with Winds Planetry to to design this space. Um, if you've seen the pictures on the website, I think they did some posting, not on the website, but on the on Facebook, they did some postings. Um, it turned out fabulous. We have three cabinets in there for files. We got a a continuous countertop that runs the the room that allows for um, uh, the sheriff's office to actually sit down and write reports. It actually allows the fire department to sit down and write their reports at two separate locations in that space. Um, and I can't thank uh uh Lakeside Academy enough for that donation and for what they did for that department. It was it's amazing. So, it really helped us out a lot. So, um we uh we also participated in uh training a lot um in uh by the fire department. Um again valable really nice training a really rural training and also personal practice in in fire events on that basically an old house or structure that they um that they conducted live burns in. Um we supported that with our tanker um and our personnel. And so we're able to um deliver water to them and then actually have our fire fire personnel participate in live burn training within that. And at the end of the live burn, the structure gets burnt all the way down to the cone. Um, and then the residents um or owners are left to kind of that's their um requirement for cleaning up. And so we're able to help that uh community out in that fire department. So it just goes to a collaboration that we're seeing with all the fire departments in the area. Um, and it's amazing how how um in the six months that I've been here, how much NAL then is has been contributing over and over and over again to our neighbors and how much they're they're helping us out. So, it's uh it's been a very um positive um effort that's u come out of this. So, um let's see. We also uh were requested by North County Sheriff's Office to support um an investigation that was happening in Elk River at the landfill. um what they needed from um area fire departments was support from um emergency medical personnel. They could not conduct their their operations without having two EMTs on um on the premise at all times while they're doing investigations. And so um for them to um s hire a private company like Alina or something like that um was going to be very costly and and for a private company to provide that um they wouldn't have the personnel to do that. This was an operation that uh lasted um upwards of a month, month and a half. And so we were able to to support that operation with our personnel. And when I when the call came out and I sent the message out to our personnel, I had several of them jump right on it and say, "Absolutely, what can we do? What can how can we help them?" And so, um, we have amazing group of people that that stepped up and and helped the sheriff's office. And I believe that investigation is somewhat, um, finalizing and closing out out there. So, um, so great thing for for now. them. Um we also are working closely with Atlanta who are postpon as a um temporary staging if you will um um for ambulances in the area. So they're training their deployment model and their deployment model is um is kind of a a system status management and so they're constantly moving ambulances around. Um what they'd like to do is use now then um fire station to to be able to park an ambulance outside where the crews can get out and take a break, use the bathroom, maybe sit down in a chair that's not attached to a vehicle um and be able to do that. And so what that will allow us, what will allow the the city now then is to have maybe a little bit more of coverage from an ambulance once in a while, but again, it's system status management. So how long that ambulance will be here is is, you know, it's kind of up in the air. Um, but the good thing is is it's a base that they'll always come back to. So that's going to allow for better coverage for for advanced life support coverage for the city and island. So right now we're talking to Atlanta about possibly doing that. Um we look at the facilities that we have there wouldn't be parking in our in our garages or anything like that. Um and I think there's space within our our station that they would be able to utilize and it benefits um not only us as a department, the citizens but itself. So, um, further to come on that. Um, so we're looking at that with the situation right there. It does. It absolutely does. And so, lastly, I want to add, um, because this appeared after I wrote the the the June update because it happened in July, but I think it's so recent and so impressive that I need to to talk about it was um July 1, I decided um to look at how do we strategically move this department forward. Um, and part of that is we want to do a recruitment campaign and for for for myself to do a recruitment campaign, I need support to do that and so I need officer staff to do that. So I met with the two the two captains um Nelson and Tony Overson. We discussed um some commercial opportunities within the department. Um in surgery highest um are promoted Mike Nelson to assistant chief. Um um is promoted to um training captain and Isaac Schultz is promoted to um operations captain. And so what that allows um myself is to be able to have a staff that can support um the firefighters that we currently have and firefighters that we're going to recruit. And so um and so uh we will move forward with a a badging ceremony for for those individuals um probably in August um and bring um uh probably bring them before the council for that. So um that was a a a huge win for us for um those individuals willing to step up and and take on those leadership roles. So um we're moving this department forward incrementally a little bit at a time. So I will stand for any questions or any other comments. You need to discuss that the member that you also submitted. Well, it's primary but talking about fire truck. Absolutely. We can I think it needs to be discussed because you know for a bonding court correct. So I sent out a councel about um the replacement options for the rescue. I gave four different options. um 7700 uh sorry F750 pump and rescue um that will have an ISO related pump um with uh with a price tag of about $500,000. Um we could purchase uh option two would be to purchase a smaller upper rescue combination and an F550 chassis um that would still allow for an issue capacity. Um the budget impact would be about $380,000 from that. Um purchase the same F550 chassis that we currently have and eliminate the pump um and duplicate out our current rescue equipment capacity and that's about a $300,000 um option or we do nothing with the vehicle and we build in a maintenance budget for that that vehicle. Um and that's about $100,000 annually. Um, and that's I think that's conservative at best on that vehicle. So, um, my recommendation is um, I'm comfortable between one and two um, for recommendation. one being that the best option. I know it's the most expensive, and it's not that I want to to, you know, I think we need the to have the best option, but it's the option that allows us to have the most water, the most equipment capacity, and be able to accommodate anything that comes at us in the future. And so, um, it's hard for me to predict where we're going to be in 10 years. Um, but I know a vehicle like that will accommodate or should accommodate where we're going to be in 10 years. So do you want to touch base on the ISO rating for the one two three and four and the impact of that is Absolutely. So this is so having an ISO in a pump and having water capabilities um is a piece of the ISO puzzle. It's not the biggest piece um and it's not the entire ISO puzzle, but it is a piece of the ISO puzzle. So having a um an ISO rated pump because again like I think like I discussed in March um we don't have full pumping capacity for a full ISO rating currently today. Um again one pump and a tanker with a pump on it um that's ISO rated. The tanker is either a tanker or it's a pumper. It's can't be counted as both. And so really we're at one ISO rated pump. So having two ISO ISO rated pumps helps us in our ISO rating. But again it's a small it's piece of the puzzle. It's a small piece of the puzzle. Um there are other things that factors that are going to come into effect in ISO training being a very large um portion of that personnel being a very large portion of that. Um and so if we have training and um personnel and the vehicle to carry them in with the ISO rated pump, that kind of puts all the pieces of the puzzle together. So um and so yes, we can um with option number two, we do have an ISO rated pump. We don't have as much water. Um it limits kind of what we can do with that vehicle in a in a in a first out or attack type of of scenario. um but it still gets us credit and so um but it also doesn't carry as much equipment because we have to make room for the pump and the water um to get that uh rating um or credit for it. And so those are probably the biggest differences between the two. um not having our income um just means that we're going to lose those points um and we'll have to figure out a different way to lower that um insurance service rating. So of their needs. Yes. Um between options one and two, if we were to pick option one over two, would it realistically save any hours on any other equipment or you know if you're going to deploy two trucks, is that going to happen regardless of option one or two? You know, Mr. Council member, uh wonderful question. Um, I don't even say um on trucks right now. If we have a if we have a car accident um and the car is on fire, we will dispatch our rescue um uh out to that and also an engine. Um and depending on, you know, how big of a fire it is, it could be the tanker. Um with a truck like the option number one, we would already have water, air pump, um probably sufficient enough to cut off fire. um more than likely wouldn't would only have to dispatch one truck, maybe two at the most. Um so it would save on on out of the wear and tear, if you will. You know, how many calls a year do we do that? That's probably, you know, 20 25 calls a year. Um you know, it's probably negligible either way. Um but I think, um what's probably most important is are we setting the right piece of equipment with the right equipment on it, um with the right capacity. um to do that job. And so clearly I'm not comfortable sending out, you know, this rescue that we have to to to to deal with some of these calls because we still have to back it up with another piece of equipment. So Mr. here. So, Chief, this this isn't um the information that I want to share is for helping us make a decision, but two and a half weeks ago, um one of our residents had the unfortunate mishap of on Clearary Road of dodging some geese and ended up ending up um there was a car headed southbound on on Clear Road um just in front of uh uh the Lindberg's house. He slammed on his brakes. He swerved to miss some geese. Ended up shooting across the road, flipping over and over in um into the ditch. The point I want to get to is there there were two other residents that I think observed what happened. I was the third on the scene. I had just left my driveway when it happened. So I pulled over um was helping the gentleman out of the ditch. Jerry Strike um was the next person on the scene. He had a medical bag in his truck. So I got got him over to his tailgate. Jerry started, you know, addressing some of the lacerations that he had. Um, the next on the scene was the Ina County Sheriff. Um, next was St. Francis Fire Department and a fire captain from St. Francis started administering first aid applian uh uh applying a collar to, you know, in case there was any type of neck injury. Um, and then, you know, more of the the sheriff's department showed up. I think the next on the scene was um Ramsey Fire Department SUV. Um our fire engine was one of the next vehicles to show up and the last vehicle to show up is our rescue truck second to maybe just a little bit ahead of the ambulance. So, when we were, you know, asked a couple of minutes ago when when you first proposed, you know, residents invest a half a million dollars in an another vehicle that may or may not significantly lower their homeowners insurance because of the ISO rating. Um, and I can tell you my owner's insurance just went up almost 100% due to failing wind damage. Um, and so I had to address that. That's a bigger issue for residents as far as their insurance goes. Is even $380,000 necessary um for uh a new rescue truck for the city of Malvin Cinder. Um I was on that call. The the SUV was me. Um yeah, so um there wasn't a Ramsey SUV there. So it was it was myself. Um it was uh a captain from St. Francis right now, St. Francis and Mel then have a joint response to to accidents by accidents. Um partially because um both of us are struggling with daytime um uh uh staffing. Um so we both respond and so um and on that particular because it was a rollover, we started our engine instead of our rescue um because it has a little bit different equipment on it for a rollover versus just a straight up car accident. So, it's a little bit different in protocols on how we how we move equipment. Um, having having a larger vehicle that we can carry all that equipment now puts that vehicle out first. And so, um, and so that response may be different in the future if we had a different truck. Um, is to answer your question, is spending $500,000 worth the ISO? Again, it is a small piece of the puzzle, but it's still a piece of the puzzle. Um, and we're trying to to to put all the pieces together, one of that being a a a vehicle that is reliable. Um, right now the the rescue is questionably um reliable or not. Um, and having the the training, the staffing, and the equipment is kind of puts that entire piece of the puzzle together. I Does that answer your question? Well, but chief part of it part of it is response time. You know, St. Francis, you know, St. Francis was there very quick and you know, I I imagine that gentleman was was at the firehouse, correct? He was staff. So, there's a huge difference in the response of a full-time staff versus, you know, a volunteer staff. And I'm not knocking it. It's just the fact that, you know, our guys want even the hands-on, you know, addressing the injuries of the of the uh the motorist. So, um not that that's always the case, but it's, you know, it's an example of, you know, are there other options for outfitting a vehicle um that wouldn't cost as as much as what we're looking to spend? I think we have uh sorry council member and council member um we have other options. There's four options here that that we can from um if you want more than four options I can definitely go back to the to um uh to the drawing board and look at other options um for you um to address the staffing issues that the the that's why we're going to do a recruitment. We we have a staffing issue. There's no doubt about it. Um, we have a paid on call fire department and that means that people are going to respond from home. It is going to be a different model coming from home to get the equipment. St. Francis, um, you know, they're staffed during the day. Um, they have a reliable response. Yes. In certain instances, um, when we have a joint response, they're going to get there first. And by all means, I love that. I I hope whoever shows up first and who can help our residents, it doesn't matter the color of the truck or the the patch on the on the side of the shirt. It's whoever can help our residents and that's the most important piece of this. Um we have a you know we have a fire department. We're working very hard to to um increase that staffing. We're are um I think our response times are are very um uh professional. Um, there are parts of the city that we can't get to quick enough because our fire station sits on the very south end of town. Um, and it's it's not ne you know, it's not necessarily located anywhere close to some of these calls that we have. And so there's travel time that's involved there. And so um, is there other ways to do things? Absolutely. You know, um, you know, overall has a staffing model where they have a duty crew and there's a cost to that. Um, you know, I I don't believe that we are at that. I think we are doing a wonderful job responding the calls that we have. Um and I think we're doing it with fiscal responsibility in mind um for that. So um I think we're doing as good as we can. Um if these four options um don't work for the council, we can definitely take a look at some other options. So um and I I will take direction from the council for that. Mr. Johnson, just a quick question. Does Mr. need this to know this tonight. How much time do we have before we have to make decision whether it can be bonded or not? Really the sooner the better. Um because we've got we're starting the bonding process and they're looking to close in August um end of beginning of September. So as soon as we're ready to come with a preliminary budget on this tonight is what I'm hearing. We can but might be to bring some additional options with what I'm hearing. Um, and I believe that she would ask for as a special meeting then prior to the end of the month so that we could get it discussed so that we get that final bonding number to Ellers. Okay. I think another two questions I have for one um is used equipment option. I think I know the answer on that one. And then just following that up, if you look at projecting all over the next 15 years to fire your equipment needed, you know, right now you're proposing if we put a a pump on this particular truck, is there another truck that's going to need a pump in five years where if we didn't buy it, you might make options more attractive. So anything on on those two, a chief, would be helpful. Thank you, Mr. and council. Um, used equipment is is a crap tree at best. Um, fires get rid of equipment because they either have no or any use for it or they've worn it out. Um, I've been doing this for 37 years. the fire trucks that I've driven I know and there when we when the trucks that I have um operated and been involved with when we when we get rid of them they're pretty worn out and so all other people's problems um can be an issue and that's that's clearly what we have the rescue that we have was bought used um and so we're in the this kind of predicament because of the problems that we bought from somebody else and so to end life when they get rid they are and it's it's going to be at the end of life. Um or they've been abused so badly that um they're trying to figure out how to unload them. Um and so it's not a particular option that I would like um but we can definitely look at those options. There's always that diamond in the rough out there um to to find. Um as far as equipment moving forward, right now we are at the max of equipment that that we can can get. So, we have a pump on our on our fire engine. We have a pump on our on our tanker. Um, we have a tanker that carries water. We have a rescue or I'm sorry, a grass rig. And so, as far as another truck being replaced in 15 years to add to a pump or add a pump onto, that would not occur. Um, there are there are within the capital improvement plan, there are trucks that need to be replaced coming up. Um but that's scheduled out and you need to have that um that plan um in your in your budget books. So um so you'll see that. Any other questions for Chief Council similar to my question on saving on hours of the equipment? If we bought say one versus three or one versus two, would it save on staffing needs if we only had to send out one truck versus two? Is there a a measurable benefit there? Possibly. Actually, Mr. Crossson, it's it's it's probably melageable as far as um you know what we send out, right? So, now our current rescue truck carries four people. We'd send four people out in in a new rescue truck. The difference is we would have all the equipment, we would have water, we would have a pump, we'd have a lot more things that they could do with that where we wouldn't have to necessarily send out a second truck to to support that vehicle. And so I think that's probably the the savings in personnel. Um whereas, you know, right now, you know, our calls come out, people respond to the station. um if we don't need that second truck, excuse me, those um those personnel are at the the station standing by ready for another call that could come in um so they can immediately respond um if need be. So what is another example of the type of call that a rescue truck like this would go out on if it's say one or two? So you mentioned like a car fire will really go to a a house fire just as backup or will sense and absolutely it's it's um because it has an is ISO rate pump um we can use this as a quick attack and so little bit faster a little bit lighter than a than a large fire engine. Um we can attack house fire with this. um the engine or the tanker can then then support that um truck and you wouldn't have to necessarily move that truck or or replace that truck in the fire. And so that does allow for us to to have a a faster, quicker attack. um these trucks can support um because they'll have optional road and a larger uh tank on it. We could support um grass fires, things like that where right now we either supporting a grass a grass fire truck with an engine and a tanker. Um we don't have another light vehicle that we would be able to support um the grass fire trucks with that. Thank you. So chief, if this was your budget, you stated you would like number one, but number two is acceptable. So if you were if you were buying this out of your own budget plan, just say that if you personally were buying this, what would you buy? What is the most economic but also feasible option? Truly, I know 500,000 is that that's a lot of money. It is. is absolute that the number one you would pick that is number one and and it's only because of the amount of equipment that we would um be able to carry on this. Um clearly the all the rescue all the equipment that's on the rescue plus the water plus any future needs would be supported by this truck versus um option two which would be we could carry some of the equipment but not all of it. And so we're going to have to we're going to we would have to um disperse some of that equipment between trucks which is then probably going to push us out um putting more vehicles on the road for the same call. I understand it is a it is a it is a financial um uh number. It's a it's a big number. Um, right now are are well over a million dollars and so um I'm trying to stay that off as long as we possibly can. So um by doing this um my hopes is that um you know we can look at what is our our capital um uh our capital improvement in the future. Is there a way that we can make things last a little bit longer? Do you have a question for Chief Miller? M um I I tend to encourage number one. Um and I know it's a lot of dollars. It's a lot of dollars. Um but I think the benefits of having the larger vehicle, more water, more equipment on it will be a benefit to the firefighters when responding to to cases or events. Um to council member Glazers, I'm glad you brought that up because I wondered what happened with the skid marks going in on clearly. Um you know, if you had 50 events, the order of response to that event is going to be maybe three times. It'll be the same. And it depends on staffing, where it is, what the other officers are doing, whether it's fire department or sheriff's office, other divisions. Um, but I think when we get there, we need to have what we need and and I see that that is what we get with with um option one. Um I that's that's I I I'm for option one. I just think that's our best deal. It was a lot of money. I don't I don't disagree with that and it'll be reflected in my property taxes. Um but I think that that's our best option. Is there any other questions for chief or any other discussion on this? Right. We accept the motion for anybody wants to make it so we can talk about this. If we feel we don't have enough information, we can do that and have a special meeting is what it sounds like. Any comments? Council member O'Brien, Council Member Glazer. I mean, I'm I'm still in favor of, you know, are there other options? But that um one person on the council, but there are more options. Yes. Let's come to vote right now. Council member, you've talked about it and I know we've talked about it in the past. Is is there is there theoretically a stop gap that might work? And that's where I think the discussion about is there something that is there something that might have five more years in it or 10 more years in it that would be used that we can that we can use. I understand it's not the best option but it might be something that it might be pursuing or at least looking at. I mean I as I recall was the the conversation was we found a rescue rig that and we could really use a rescue wig in its use but we really should get it. So that's what that was what was recommended and presented to council. So that's what we got whether right or wrong. Um and it was get a used one and that that that'll work great for what we're for our situation. There was no option for for that we needed to um look in a capital plan to get a brand new one. So that's just a different experience that we're that we're used to. So it's not like it was okay we have to get new. um you know use was an option and that would work great for the city and we have been able to use it and I understand trucks you know any everything will wear out but I think that's kind of what we're what we're kind of going through right now so I'm you know so if if there would be an option if there's an option for you know five or 10 years is that kind of what we're looking for when we're talking about other options I don't exactly know um because yeah 500,000 is a lot of money and since 500 options which is what we're looking for. Yeah. It could be 200, but it's not $500. And I'm trying to I'm trying to evaluate. Okay. Well, I I understand the ISO thing, but you know, is it is it is the expense to the city um what benefits is that $200,000 going to benefit us? and if it really isn't going to change insurance because I would agree damage tends to and wind damage tends is seems to be taking a bigger hit on people's people property um in in homeowners insurance and versus you know other things like that. So it it'd be interesting to know approximately okay for every point that you dropped your that affects your insurance by I don't even know if that information is available or not but you know that kind of can you we can use that to offset you know if it does can't come out that you know one point gets you um enough to cover you know obviously it's a costbenefit thing but if it if if that one point drop it saves us $250,000 then theoretically spending the 200,000 in the long run mathematically playing math games might be of value to the city. So that's kind of kind of where I'm at. So and yeah, I can see benefits, but yeah, 500,000 a lot of money to spend. So Mr. Mayor, Chief, I can ask a couple questions in regards to some of the maintenance items on the current rescue truck. One is the fact that I think it's got a 60 power stroke, correct? Yes, that's correct. and it and it's never been bulletproofed. Correct. So, that's one thing that could be done. That's one thing. And then I think the next major concern or and maybe even a greater concern is the suspension suspension in the chassis. So, is is there are there structural issues to the chassis as a result of the weight that that vehicle's carrying? Yes, there is. We've already had to beef up that suspension um and and those are failing. So, we're we're really in a in a predicament here. And again, um to to talk to Councilman Ren's um you know, comments about what has occurred in the past. Um obviously, I wasn't here when decisions were made, right? Um what I can tell you is I'm you know, I'm standing in front of you with some strategic planning experience that says, you know, it's not a it's not a want um or this will work really work well for us. This is strategically trying to plan for the future of where this city and this department needs to go. And so um you know when when I present options one and two um as recommendations, two will work. We'll make that work. It's not the best option. Um one is actually the best option that's going to bring us into the future and allow us to um a little bit of room to grow um because we still have to look at heavy rescue um extrication things like that. tools that we don't currently have but we're going to need in the future that we don't have room for today driven comments everybody's been around. Yeah, I mean we sort of corner one here and point out you know if it even save one life you know it's probably worth it. We got to also consider that and I would imagine an actual pump and bigger capacity probably you know I mean it might be difficult to trace it directly back to the decision to go one versus zero one versus three but anything that increases you know our response time you know making it quicker you know more ability to attack a fighter I mean I don't know all your lingo but you know what I mean and so one like the idea of, you know, the potential of a fire in my house potentially being put out or one of my kids being saved or something like that. And so if it does bring us into the future, increases our ability to respond more quickly or more effectively. I mean, I think it's not just a financial consideration. I mean, the whole idea of a fire department is not a financial consideration. It's a service to the residents. And um I I I think we can't lose sight of that when we're talking dollars and cents here. Could you tell us which one you're leaning towards? I lean towards number one um just for those reasons. And I do get, you know, you know, Councilman Brian's point about, you know, maybe five, you know, if we can find an option for five or 10 years at the right price, I would get, you know, pushed down the road a little bit. But I, you know, I I guess I would, you know, lean away from sort of a band-aid solution like that. And I don't mean to put words in your mouth or characterize it in some flippant way. But, you know, if if this is what we need and this will help us going forward, I would like to just sort of bite the bullet and let's get her done and bring you this for for today since we we definitely not treated music. We're all over the map. Please come back. We'll schedule another meeting. It's going to be another meeting, okay? But I think we need we need some options and and out of that we're going to have to bring it to vote. But I think you need a $200,000 opt $100,000 option and somewhere in there we got to figure out amongst our group and vote for something which could be you know which is to do nothing. Um but I'm talking with boss I got I got to tell you I understand saving lives but may I have one more thing Mr. Mayor? Absolutely. Those people may change how we respond, but now then as a bedroom community. So response times from day to day based on the day of the week, time of day, and so forth, that's not going to change a heck of a lot as far as our ability to respond and how long it takes us to get there. So just I want to I guess I want to be clear about that. We need we need an option. when we knock a rescue vehicle off to serve the residents of Mamm and people passing through Malam. Not saying we don't need that just, you know. Yeah, I would speak to Council. I'd speak to the fact that it's it's not about the response time. It's about what can you do when you get there. That's really what it's about. And so having the right piece of equipment with the right tools on it makes all the difference. Um because we can't change response times in a paid on call model. They are what they are. Um, and so, um, I completely understand that and and my perspective is making sure that that the the men and women who are serving the city of Maryland have the equipment that they need, that they're ready when they're respond a 350. Is that what it is? I believe so. I'd have to I I have to look at it. It's a It's pretty chassising um vehicle. So, should I make a motion to favor it? Anyone second that? All right, good. We're coming back. Can you go ahead and get something scheduled then so I can let Lorie know? Yes. Everybody grab the phones, please. Yes. Have a lot of meetings this month, guys. But maybe like the 29th or 30 of I believe we're going to need it before that. Our first budget meeting is set for the 23rd. Okay. So, say sometime the week of the 14th. The 16th meeting. Is that an option? 16th. I'm not available. You are not not available. I'm not available. The 17th. Is that I'm not available. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I'm back the 14th. Would that be an option? Um, which is next Monday. Chief, would that be enough time to gather? I will I'll do my best. Did you make that work? I'll make that work. 13th 14th 14th 14th at 6:00. Yes. Um and hopefully it can be it's only going to be specifically on that subject. Yeah. So we just never concept. So hopefully we can make it as quick and I'm just punching this in so I don't forget. So that's complete. Thank you, Chief. We move on to sheriff's department here for 35 minutes before you get tazy. He doesn't have a taser. All right, Mr. May members of the council, city staff, citizens announced the following is the sheriff's office report for the month of June 2025. Deputies responded to 134 calls for service. Year-to- date calls are at 785, which is up about 13% from this time last year. Calls for service included nine barn, five alarms, 13 medicals, and 10 animal calls for service. Diving into the barn calls, I'll save us all some time. The theme of the month was juvenile runaways. All of them were located and either returned to the facility or sent to the hospital. So, I'll just say juvenile runaway for all of those calls for the month and save us the time. Uh, so on the first, some juvenile runaways. On the third, some more juvenile runaways. On the sixth, deputies responded for a mental health call. Once they were on scene, deputies learned that staff had also been assaulted by clients. Two juveniles were transported to the hospital by ambulance on that call. And one of them was charged with fifth degree assault. On the 13th, juvenile runaways on the 16th, juvenile runaways. On the 23rd, juvenile runaways on the 25th and 28th, more juvenile runaways. On the 30th, that is responded for three disorderly juveniles who were damaging property. All three were arrested, charged with riot, damage to property, obstruction, and transported to the RJC Juvenile Facility. Uh, another quick note on Barn. We had our quarterly check-in meeting this morning. Uh, I would say overall that went fairly well. It seemed like everyone on the call was kind of in agreement that things are heading in the right direction there. Uh, it doesn't always look that way based on the details on the calls, but at the end of the day, they're locked juvenile mental health facilities. So there's there's going to be problems there that require a response certainly, but uh I think everyone on the call seems to think things are heading in the right direction. Uh we will continue doing those check-ins with them quarterly and that's between the sheriff's office, the city, Alina, and then Barn staff. And we're also looping in DHS, state agency that oversees Barn as well to kind of get them on the same page with the things that are going on there and making sure that everybody is just up to speed with how the facilities run. That's great. Moving on calls for service in the month of June. On the 11th at Viking Boulevard and now Boulevard, deputies responded to a personal injury crash involving a pickup truck and a semi. Both drivers were treated for injuries. One was transported to the hospital by ambulance. The driver with a pickup truck was cited for running the stop sign. On the 23rd in the 4900 block of 185th lane, deputies responded to a medical call. They arrived and provided aid with a line and fire. Uh then call was declared deceased. Uh at this point, the investigation suspected natural causes. On May 24th in the 8,500 block of 190th Avenue, deputies responded to a suicidal female who had a gun. Deputies were able to deescalate that situation and the female was sent to the hospital by ambulance on an emergency hold. Uh just one other note for the council, deputies are now working with city staff to help with city ordinance enforcement. So you may see some of those reports come through or steer through city hall that that's happening. So with that, I can stand for any questions. We appreciate your help with ordinance control. I do have one question for you, sir. Uh it was back on the back page where it just where it talks about the number as such for 2025. Uh and it seems to be if I look at one statistic, a lot of them are dropping at that one and two as compared in 2024 where there was seven. Um are these a lot are men related? Almost entirely women related. Yeah. Okay. That answers my question. Very very concerned, Mr. Mayor. Thanks, Mazer. Lieutenant, do do is point technically considered a detention facility? No, they're a locked mental health facility. That's their state classification. Do do lot mental health facilities in the state of Minnesota or any other place around the United States have to pay for um a law enforcement personnel to be on site 24 hours a day? Certainly not licensed law enforcement. Depending on state classifications, there are some I don't even know if they're necessarily requirements, but at least guidelines as far as what staff should be trained to handle and then what their response plan would be, whether it's calling 911 or having some type of security on site. But for a mental health facility, they would qualify under needing to have that. But another point to that is why we're getting in touch more with the state to make sure that things are all happening the way they should be within state guidelines there. Thank you. All right, sir. Thank you very much. Thanks for keeping us safe. Absolutely. Okay, moving on. Planning and zoning number eight. You don't have to stay unless you really want to. Planning and zoning. Did you have something to listen? No, it was just that um since she just has a few things in review um that she's waiting for or incompleted projects um I uninvited her to the meeting to save on that and I think we're pretty good. I mean she's working with them to get um completed packets so we can be able to move forward and I believe we are going to have a planning and zoning meeting um because we do have uh one or two items that are getting full. Let's uh pass off the planning and zoning update and it's in the packet if you have any questions. Um any questions on planning and zoning? Let me just ask for Okay. Thank you. Let's go through Miss Johnson through the administrative. Okay. Well, the first thing I'd like to do is let you know that we held all those interviews. Um, you all should have received copies of the applications, the scoring sheets, um, the applications that we did over the course of two days. Um, we do have a recommendation. Laura is here today if you'd like to step up and introduce yourself. Is this on? Yeah, it's green. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, I'm Laura Risky and I was interviewed gosh, a little more than a week ago. A week ago today. Um, and I believe that I'm a great client or not a client candidate for this role. Um, something that was interesting about going to the city of Mel for an interview was that it really invigorated a lot of motivation in me because I was able to meet two of potential colleagues as well as get a tour and I think that was awesome. That's something that I've never been able to do before. Um, and then just a little bit of my about myself. I come from a background in family and social science with a degree from V1. Um, a lot of bulk experience comes in uh customer service and receptionist roles. Um, I've worked in the Alpa Henipin schools in community education and now I'm looking to kind of further my experience working in the community. Um, I worked at Shu Community Center for six years. Um, and that really propelled me into wanting to be part of the community. So I think that's something that I can bring to the table here and it was just a really exciting opportunity. I love Melvin and I'm I'm finally hand over. So you know I do believe that Nelan's part of our community too although her house now so I appreciate you. Yep. Thank you. Um, so the recommendation um is to go with Laura. Um, she did fit in well with the staff. She scored well and um we are looking at starting her at $20 an hour. Um, moving her to $21 after probation is passed. Um, typically that's six months. we would do a three-month um kind of informal review to see how she's doing and then a sixmonth um review as well to determine if she can come off or if we need to extend probation. And with that, I will stand for any questions. Go ahead and make a motion. Yeah, I would move that we approve the resolution to authorize the hiring of RA Whiskey for the front desk receptionist position um with the starting date of July 14th would be a $20 an hour initial bridge with an increase to 21 after 6 months and a probation of the probationary period and it would include a three-month informal review. We got a motion. We have a second from Council Member Swinson. Let's um any discussion on hearing. Let's move to vote. All those in favor says. All right. So, all those in favor say I. Opposed. None. Motion carries two. register. Yeah, we have the real equipment as you can see. Um, we've worked with the contractor to move forward again to get this back to our experience uh with the planning and zoning. Um, last week it was or two weeks ago was awful. Um, a lot of it they said had to do with the way that we are Bluetoothing things rather than being hardwired. You're going and there's another piece of equipment in the back. You'll notice that the computer is now in the back. Um, the next thing that we have to deal with is a little bit of a microphone issue here. Um, and part of it is our equipment is just old. So, we're going to see if we can kind of get by with this. they're going to come and see if they can make some more adjustments to using these microphones. Um, if we need to upgrade that, that'll be something else that I'll bring back to council. I know it's just really important to the council to have good video and good live streaming. uh support res res good quality and hopefully not second building have um people joining in by Zoom. It's just really important to be able to understand that um Bill you probably noticed is that um the door has been installed by Wild Construction. They did a great job. You can now see out the door with the nice window. Um, and we are scheduled for Thursday for the handicap button stuff to be put in. Um, so hopefully that's going to be pleasing to many of our residents as well. The, um, I'm going to add a couple of things to it. Meaning, uh, the calcium chloride, uh, we asked to come up with more solid numbers on a square. Um, just to give an update on that, I know Joe has not had 100% of time to be able to get to that. He's been outgrading and um doing maintenance, repairs, and tree cutting. Um the calcium fluoride though, he did move some money around in his budget and he is I believe it's done already. Um he added a road or two. I think it's just one mode to it um while the trucks were out to try to um get a little bit more done on that. Um, I guess I need direction too is do we want to continue and do you want me to really get hard numbers on us doing a sprayer? That was I think as a mom my uh idea or thought or request and if I mean if it's not feasible then no I don't think we need to spend any more time on it is my opinion and I'm assuming it's just not feasible. So, the owner came out said it would be $200,000 for the equipment. If you look at our cost, it was $37,000. So, if it's not a three-year payback or that solar, it's not going to be worth our time or investment. We're not specializing in at all. My recommendation is we pass and don't let Joe spend any more time on it. I'm good with that. Anybody that council direction is stop having Joe not spending any more time on that. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council member, go ahead. Um because Miss Johnson said we add we added a road. What we did is we didn't add a new road. We added Joe went back to a road that was previously treated but was taken out of the 25 year. Um so it was not a new road and I I want to say that because it's the dirt road I drive on. So he didn't come and do it for me but he's it was one that we've done in the past. 191st the horseshoe um from Clary out to Clearary again. Um and I guess he found that money to do that. So that was one of the roads that was cut. Yeah, it was cut off. We didn't have any electrochemicals this year too, he said. So they would make it work is what I heard. Um I do have one more update as well. The Naron um cabinet has been put up. All the information is there and amazingly enough um a couple of the test strips have already been taken. And I was a little bit interested in like test strips. I thought it was just like the shot. Um there are test strips in there as well that people can take. So if they're going to take something, they can crush it up, stick it into it, and then it tells them if there's any fentanyl waste in it. So it kind of just says that their opioid is a safe drug to take. I guess I wasn't aware of that. Um but There have been some taken. There are some out of the cabinet. It is a private. It's out in the entryway. So, if you notice when you go in, um, we don't have any cameras right there. So, we don't know who's taking. That is pretty much all anonymous. So, if any residents do have a concern for child or family member that you could, you know, possibly could overdose, that is where you can get the Narcan um to potentially save a life. And other than that, I would just like to thank you for allowing Laura to join our team. Did you have a Zo update? Is that one? Yeah, that one that I actually sent out to you. It does. Thank you. All right. I think I have something else. You did. All right. So, okay. New business. Uh, who's it? Miss Johnson, you want to talk about the resolution that we wrote up here? It had come to my attention that um many years ago that we the public works was allotted $140 for safety boots. The cost of the boots have gone up significantly since it has uh since it was originally passed. Um the guys are putting in a little over half um half sometimes more for their boots that they're wearing. Um, for safety, I wanted to have the dollar amount removed and then have permission to correct some of the typos that are throughout the personnel policy as um, we've been going through it and catching a few things. Um, after talking with the mayor, we had a conversation that maybe we should still have a dollar amount in there and limit it. So, what I'm looking for from the council is to tell me what you feel that limit can go up to, if any. That is the minimum cost of the acceptable. Um, what we gave examples of are the ones that the guys prefer and are wearing now. Um, they pretty much I know Joe has got pretty much the same boot for the last five years. Um, Eric has also bought the same boot. Um, I don't know how many boots I did not ask your um, Isaac, but these are the ones that are comfortable and fit with them. I think it' be reasonable if we're requiring them to wear boots, cover the cost of, you know, a minimally acceptable boot if they want to step it up above that style or comfort or whatever, let them handle that. But if you know the minimum they have to spend 245 a couple places here somewhere thereabouts. I mean my thought would be to set it at that spend more than that. [Music] Mr. there. M Johnson do so I my workmates at the K Rapids Rebling store and I get because of uh my business I got a discount our our staff our public work staff they get a similar discount. Correct. We do we get a government rate. Yeah. So you know we can take that into consideration. I'm spending anywhere from, you know, for a safety toe anywhere from 225 to, you know, 250 for a pair of boots and then there's a discount on that. So, we can settle somewhere in there. It's important, you know, to replace them every year because they'll break down. And hey, so the way this is written, also I'm a little bit concerned about this. It says um so if you look at the second paragraph there it says not to exceed $140 the employees responsibility. The city will purchase one pair of safety shoes as needed. Okay. So typically it's one set of safety shoes per year. So I'll just go back to our work. We give them $150. They can buy whatever safety shoes they want. They buy insurance for $150. You can I like the guys's approach to say there's It might not be the most comfortable thing. So, do we increase that dollar amount to 200? Does it go to 225? But I would like to do a set dollar amount for one pair of boots. What I don't want to do is say as needed three months ago and get a new set of boots. That that's concerns people. So, I'd have to state that they get one pair a year. But I agree. These guys are on their feet public works. It's important we take care of them a good pair of uh footwork and also reduce back injury or back issues and everything else. I would rather understand and take care of their feet and come back with a whole campaign. Um it's a much cheaper approach. Mr. Mayor, I was looking at an existing to it. So you get to go first. Um yeah, good good foot is is important. Um my first husband had his big toe cut off. a good, you know, because he didn't have good boots on. So, it is important to have good steel toe boots on. Um, I would say 250. Um, my concern with saying one, I think we made a statement in there that says if based on job functions that boot needs to be replaced before a year, then it's we will would replace it. Um, so not as as needed could be you could do it quite often, but I just think if if they're out there and it gets trashed and they're working for us doing work, we should be able to to also replace that. Your boots make it a year. Um, sometimes I do a lot of walking, so we got to be careful with the burb. Yeah, we just have to be careful on that. Mr. Mayor, that's my uh so are these prices in here including the whatever city discount we would get? No. No, they're not. Okay. So, um as I recall to council member Rainville's point, um our our original policy was one pair a year. Um, but there were issues that were brought up and so that there was a within the last four years there was a request to change that to if something happened that it was doing doing their job that the boots got trashed that another player could be acquired. So I wonder where that gets worded. That's where that came from. But agree with you guys at the end of the day we don't kick your feet. That's more important than saying you're gonna put much here for two months out. They have to wear their snow boots because they are and yeah, it's just that's not a good point. I I don't necessarily like that we have to specifically say where we're getting the at least as I'm reading this, maybe I'm missing something, but it's saying as determined from chats in Rapids, we don't unless there's an obligation to have to acquire them from chats. I mean, I don't see why we we we would include that if we can, you know, I don't know exactly how that works, but I don't at least that's how I'm reading it. It seems like it's specifically saying good spender. Yeah, we could remove that. Um I do believe that that is the only close store that sells those Redwing that they can go buy on and that's I think and it's where they've been going for as long as you can remember. Sure, I understand that. It doesn't have to be specifically in here. Yeah. One, you know, one thing nice about going to Redwing is I've had I've had the last two sets of boots that I pairs of boots that I bought were uh waterproof as well, and the liners failed before 12 months, and so they replaced them because they have a they have a one-year warranty on them, too. So, that potentially saves saves us if somebody has a because that's typically what fails is the liner failure and then go back and they no issue to replace them. Council me experienced this. I mean, what do you think would be a reasonable minimum amount? What is 225 enough? More reasonable amount 225 because you know you get the discount and is that with your discount? Is your discount the same discount? I think so. Like 10%. Yeah. Yeah. So that 225 and figure out the way on replacements could damage and make the recommendation they can go to checks but they don't have to. Whereas the other thing coming out this I do like the concept with the warranty on on the reg is a great organization. You can go try them on to figure out so you're going to wear for a year that the same boot you're trying to buy. He might be able to get some check. All right. So, ready to make a motion on this one with the amended snakes. Okay. Once you move, sir, I would move that we approve the resolution um to remove the dollar amount, excuse me, to change the dollar amount in the personnel policy regarding the purchase of safety boots for employees to read $225 at months per year. And if an issue arises that they need to be replaced earlier that the city administrator or whatever the title is going to be um has the ability to uh approve that uh additional care. Mr. Mayor, can I can I amend Council Member Morango's motion just a little bit in the wording that certainly could state that that um uh city city work related damage. Yes, if we could add that. I think there was one more piece on the notion if we could make it is uh it doesn't have to be chess, right? We remove that verbage of CHS. So, I think it would be recommended chess, but it doesn't have to be. So, you do something like that. Is that is that an acceptable um motion? Yes. But Mr. Mayor, I also need to add in that uh and to fix the uh piping error hypo found throughout the policy that was part of a second to that motion. I'll second motion by Rainbow. Any other discussion on it? Okay, we move the vote. All those in favor of council memberville's motion say I opposed motion carries new business is done business Mr. Do you have the first motion on this one? I have the final thing. So, um in front of you are um two pieces. One is a a flyer that can get posted. The other is going to go on the website um for the to begin the process of getting volunteers to um assist us with the renovation of the Veterans Memorial. So, I just want people to look at it to um see if they think that this is sufficient. Um I also have a little email I will send to Natalie to have her send it out. Um the second piece that starts out to help design, you know, the memorial renovation. Um, I am not military. So, I would like those members of our council here that are military to look at the second paragraph and it's the second sentence. I don't know if that's how you correctly say state that what my purpose of the purpose is. So, it we've had conflicts or wars since the ones that are memorialized there now. And I want to be able to include memorializing anybody that has been killed and I don't know if it's in the line of killed in action while duty. I don't know how you state that in a military verbage. So I would like assistance on that. Very very few are killed in action. A lot of them um it could be in but so okay that' be a quick statement. So do you already have some volunteers on this? I do not at this time. I'm going to start making some calls because I have a gentleman who's a resident who lost their daughter um and was in the conflict in um Iraq. So, but if anybody has anybody, please let me know. That's the two that I had. Um yes, I've got those. Um also too, in the second piece, it was very interesting. um Oak Grove, three three residents of actually one resident now that and two residents of Oak Grove um worked on the Cedar Creek Conservation Area project. And on the um Anoka Historical Society website is um a story of their of what they did for for their memorial. And it was very interesting and how these three people work together to get it done. It's on County Yeah, it's on County Parkland. So they had to work with the county and things like that. We have our own land here so we won't have to include them. Um but it was just very interesting and it was talk about the process, another piece on the process and then the final um uh like the unveiling of it and um I learned a lot on that. It was really interesting. They used St. Francis High School to do the um metal the laser cutting. Um they used a now resident to do the um the etching in the stone. Um there was a local business um that donated concrete work and we do have park funds to do it but if we would I would say I would think we would be happy to take any inind or monetary contributions towards it too. So yeah just a clarification are you going to be on it? So if you invite two of us and we have three of the it would just be one and and that that was and and I put my name on here and if somebody if one of you military people want to take this over I am fine with that. Um but we just needed one council member and I brought it forward but I you do not want to but if you want to take it I will step down and back away whatever you like. be working with the committee and looking at designs and I I would I would make myself available if if you just can't turn if you want to do it. Great. Otherwise, I would do it. I I do have if I may um add something to your question about um you know children of duty. you know, one of the things that that our society is faced with and hopefully I don't get too emotional about this, but I think it should be and I don't want to donate, you know, past conflicts or yours, but um maybe it should be that it's, you know, service related death because we've lost so many people, good people to uh death by suicide that their their choice to end their life was related related to um their experience as a veteran in in the in the line of duty. So, you know, I think it's I think it's important to include those families um because they may feel a little bit, you know, the pain is even potentially greater for them. Council member Glazer, are you saying that that just just in how you word that instead of instead of um killing the line of duty um that is service related, okay, that to end up to have them on a monument. So, let's say we just finished the Johnson War um and we lost three residents to suicide during their term of service. or is it a are you also going to want to include after the service? Well, I think I think if you know if you spend some time looking at statistics, a lot of the um deaths that know have occurred near the battlefield, there's a a very large percentage that are actually um suicide while in service as well. So, and I don't disagree with that at all. I just don't know if you have a cut off date of it. Were they still in active duty or is it after they've come home and are no longer active duty? I I personally I I would I would feel compelled to to include people that that lost their lives even after their uh end of service date if if their death was if was service related because of PTSD um that they be included in that. How does the council know about that? Yes, I I think you can ask the committee. Um and I I think maybe we talk to them about specific thing because I think that's the because the committee is going to bring a recommendation to the council and so there's not a right or a wrong. It's well how you tackle it and how do how do you want to memorialize people? Yeah, that's what the intent is. Yeah. All right. So, can I just get some clarification? Ken is going to step up with Mary or Shane is Shane is okay. Thank you. I think Ken gave me the blessing to do it. I'm gonna say how many crayons that help. [Music] Hey, is there anything else as far as coming over the rest? Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to double check that you have the marker that was backed by the baseball field to be incorporated somehow. [Music] motion to adjurnn. Second. All right.