if he was if she was working for the chief that would be would say very concern but so that's the the difference on how I was looking at but there's a different perspective that I should be looking at yes I just um I guess I don't have clear understanding of how our nepotism policy, you know, works. But, um, we just, let's just talk on real quick and make sure that we get So, nepotism typically would be a concept of hiring a relative working directly for somebody. So, in this case, it's another um it's a relative of an employee, but since they're working, they would work directly for Natalie, it wouldn't fall under the negatives. So I will say typically at work um people post openings and that opening flows through the household and if there's an eligible person it's not uncommon to have family members working there. We just got to be careful with the net preser which I am also concerned about but right now it seems to be working fine. >> Councor Bryant. So, does that mean that if there are tasks associated to the fire department that that Miss Miller will not be working on those? If there was any bookkeeping or admin any any down the road if there if there or if the time avails that um there was a little a project that could be worked on that that Miss Miller wouldn't and if it was for the fire department that Miss Miller would not be working on that. >> I I >> Mr. Mayor Counc >> I'll answer that. Um, no she won't because Dileia is assigned to the fire department and Dileia is assigned to public works. She also has the recycling center and this position will take over the recycling center responsibilities to pull that from Dia. >> I'm just saying things could change over time. Things could change next year and that's why I'm just at least asking her roles could change or something else could come up where Die needs help just because of whatever she's doing on. Are we just going to I mean, is there are we going to literally say that would be a dividing that it would that Miss Miller wouldn't be able wouldn't be working on those fire department projects for whatever case it would be? >> I would assume so unless it was something that Dia would be more supervising her for. But I >> you have two separate pieces. I think the books is one piece that she should not work on. >> She won't touch any of >> but if it's a project and needing help, does it matter if she works on a project? And typically it doesn't. So when I look at a project base, I look at who's available to help me with the project. If they have the knowledge, skills, and ability, I pull in. I can help on the project. >> Now, she would have to be okay doing the project. So there's a couple things you would have to But project based work to me wouldn't be a concern, but any bookkeeping would be a major concern, I think, is very val. But your point is also very taken that in a year if change, how are we going to take a look at this? And I think it's something that can be managed. She's been here for two and a half years. >> We know that. So, >> I think if there's a concern, we could definitely bring it up and >> Mr. Mayor can be addressed. Council member Swanson. >> Um, I take your guys' concern over the nepatism. It's a valid concern. In this case, I guess I'm not so concerned about it. I see, if anything, it being a positive due to the Chiefs 2 and 1/2 year contracts. Um, you know, I I I think it's difficult to fill this position on a part-time basis due to lack of um benefits and all that. And even if we do find someone, it's going to be hard to keep them in that position in this circumstance, you know, given um you know, the sort of setup here and what we know about, you know, the the husband, wife, whatever. I mean, I I think we're safe in assuming that she'll be here for a while. And so I like the idea of hiring an employee that is okay at part-time with no benefits and that I have some level of confidence in will stick around. And with the nepotism, sort of as the mayor was pointing out, I think the primary concern is is allowing family relation to let someone in a position they are not otherwise qualified for in this circumstance. I mean, I think this position is probably, you know, the bottom of the totem pole within the city. if we're talking about installing her is I mean I don't I don't something else you know maybe there's a concern there but in this circumstance I just I I don't I don't have uh any concerns actually that she is the wife of the chief and if anything I I see it as somewhat a positive just for employer retention so I just wanted to throw that out there address that >> Mr. Council Randall. >> Um I understand the concerns. I have voiced those concerns in the past. Mine were mostly because we didn't know who staff what staff was being hired and we didn't know about it till after and that and there was nepotism involved there. Um this position was posted. We took applications. um when I reviewed them after Natalie emailed them out, this candidate scored the highest to me had the best background um in regards to customer service and and such as which is what we need. As Natalie stated, they are willing to work part-time. A lot of people will say, "Yeah, I can work part-time." But then they realize, "Well, I need full-time and I need benefits." Um that isn't the case here. Um, Dileia is staff support for the fire department and I have full confidence and Miss Johnson if we got to a point where there needed to be uh or there was the pos possibility of a co-mingling of responsibilities that she would bring that back to council for discussion. Um, so I have no no difficulties whatsoever um in hiring this member for this position. >> So, Mr. Just the last thing I'd like to say just acknowledge that we have all acknowledged that this is remaining a part-time position >> at 30 hours a week. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Absolutely. >> Well, this position is, but as we have had discussions before, there could be the time that that the council has a discussion that it would go full-time, but that isn't at this point it is a part-time position. Yes. part time position >> with the intent of it remaining part time >> is is >> that was my intent but >> yeah I you know after um you know we sort of talked about this I don't remember when we talked about this but I had in my mind sort of resigned myself to the idea that maybe we were going to have to make this full-time to actually provide benefits and hire someone that was going to stick around. So again my my thought behind Miller, aside from her being eminently qualified for this position, is that now we can hire part-time and have confidence that it's going to remain part-time because she's not going to put us to a decision of, you know, either moving her to full-time with full benefits or losing her. Um, so yeah. And so my intention, my thought process is this remain part-time unless now then out of nowhere is 3,000 extra residents and all of a sudden we need additional staff time, but I don't foresee that happening. So yes, I would agree with you. Uh, what's called Congressman Council Council, my thought is get a bump. Um my thought is it remains part >> and Mr. Mayor Counc >> and when we had those coun those discussions Mr. the council member Glazer, we didn't have the applications. We didn't know, we just had we acknowledged the fact that in going to part-time, we had issues regarding that. And if we continue to have issues of not being able to keep a part-time person in the office, we would have to consider this position. This this candidate is saying, "I'm fine with that." So we may never have that conversation or it may be 5 years down the road or something. But at the time we had that conversation, we didn't know we had a party that had applied and has not that has stated that part time is fine for any other discussion at all. >> Okay, we already had a motion. We already did a second. So we're ready to vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed? Motion carries. Okay. Next on the docket, uh discussion uh now than recycle center weekend hours. Miss Johnson, would you like to uh talk on that one? >> Yeah, this um has been requested by one of the staff to have a second person on Saturdays. Um we've kind of talked about that. We know that it's not in the budget at this time. Um as you can see, I broke down what it is with the loaded wages. It's about $19.58 an hour. It would be 3 hours on Saturdays. Uh or $3,000 a year is basically about what it would cost us to do it. We would probably have to um post it and hire it as both of the recycle attendants that we have right now don't want to work every Saturday. Uh, but they could continue to do every other if we wanted to maybe hire like a high school student or something that just wanted a couple hours on Saturdays to be a second person there or repost. But, um, it's pretty much up for discussion with council. Mr. Mayor, council member, please um, clerk Johnson, could you help me understand? I may have been given this information in the past. So, we're open Tuesdays and Thursdays from noon Is it noon to 5:00? >> No, from 11:00 to 5:00. >> 11:00 to 5:00. How How is the recycling center staff those two days? >> Both recycling attendants are there. >> The full 6 hours? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And that is within um our budget. >> Okay. So, is is Saturday the busiest day of the week? Those three hours? I would say in most cases of the month it is, but I won't say as always because if they get a big commercial truck in with, you know, cardboard that might come during the week, but it's probably the busiest with more residents. It kind of it really varies. Goes on the weather. What are people doing? I mean it's you can't really say one day is actually >> we would have the data because we track how many residents come so we would have the data to indicate I just don't >> know. So, so where where I'm kind of going with this is my the reason I asked, you know, how it's staffed Tuesdays and Thursdays and what the traffic traffic flow is like those days, two days versus Saturday is is there is there a way to stagger the hours on Tuesday and Thursday because because we've been trying to control the budget of the recycling center. So, is there a way to stagger those hours where they they they don't both come in from 11:00 to 5? Um they they come in they work in a a manner that that frees up those additional whatever it is you know 56 hours a year for to have the second person on Saturday for those three hours >> just find 3 hours between Tuesday and Thursday to cover the Saturday. >> I guess I I'd be interested to hear what how what the rest of the council thinks about that. Can we go back to the problem statement? What exactly is the problem statement? >> They would like to have two people on staff on Saturdays. >> Okay. So, they would like to >> and just going back what council member Glazer just stated, right now we have two people on Tuesdays and Thursdays. >> I like the path we're traveling down. Brian. >> Um, but currently we're staffed two days a week with two people. >> Prior to some staff issues, we had we were staffed four days a week with one person in the office with one person at the recycle center. >> That is correct. >> And then that one individ one of the individuals would be flip-flopping Saturdays. So we had one person at the recycling center Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, I believe, or Tuesday through Friday, doesn't matter. >> And then the three hours on Saturday. So the one person was covering that entire time. >> That is correct. >> And then that person um came back to work and due to some restrictions they were that we needed to have the two people there. So um while the person was out we cut the hour cut the weekly hours to just be one day a week or two two days a week instead of four and then every other Saturday where and if we could we'd had other people filling in like council or whatever. I know council member Rango filled in a few times. I filled in a few times >> just to make sure somebody was there. And as I also understand it, the job description is not written up where there would be two people at the recycling center. >> That is correct. >> Yeah. So um so right now even so right now even though two people are there is Tuesday and Thursday um we and and the the budgeted amount isn't changing. Technically, we're not open two extra days just because the way that we the staffing has changed. >> That is correct. >> So, um current staffing would be to have one person in the recycling center at um every other every Saturday and then this request is to have two people there. >> Yes. >> So, and yes, I would I would agree this isn't something that we budgeted for. It it hasn't come up in the past, at least to council. And so that the and it wasn't discussed I believe it wasn't discussed I don't recall discussing adding people onto the recycling center during our budget talks this year. So um are if this was passed are we just and knowing that knowing that the recycling center is currently um typically been running at a deficit is this how is this this is going to impact that as well isn't it? It will y $3,000 worth >> or addentially another dollar an hour come >> 2026, >> right? So, there's an impact there. Um, and shoot, I lost thing. I'll come back to that. >> It would it be possible just to have it open every other Saturday and have the two current staff people staff it every other Saturday? um together. Would we lose revenue or traffic or business so to speak? I mean, my thought is if it's not open one Saturday that our residents can wait till the next Saturday or the Tuesday to bring in their canes or tire, whatever it is, is there is there a downside to doing that, do you think? I think two Saturdays, well, every other Saturday would be which is more than two a month slightly. fractionally anymore. Um, would be good enough. I'll defer to Well, I'll ask Councilwoman Ringo. I think you have more experience in the recycling center than anyone. Maybe Councilman Ryan. >> Thank you. Uh, Mr. Mayor, >> Council Member Swinson, um, I've had discussions with myself about doing this every other Saturday. The problem with every other is which is the every other. >> So what we if we wanted to not increase our expenses and go down to two Saturdays a month, you'd have to decide do you want to go the first and the third or second and the fourth. And at least that's uniform. >> We may lose some customers. We may lose some people not being able to get there on that Saturday. but with advertising on Facebook and website. Um, and if people are listening to the council meetings and reading the council me minutes, that information would be there. Um, and then that way the two existing staff could work the first and third or second and fourth and and we wouldn't incur any additional costs. >> Mr. Mayor, counc >> I think we would actually we would save money by doing that. My thought was every other Saturday, which means 26 Saturdays a year. If we're talking two Saturdays a month, that's 24 Saturdays a year. So that's I mean that's 6 hours saved in a year, 12 hours saved in there. I don't know. Someone can correct me. But we would actually save money. Um and it would add consistency. So I would agree with you that actually picking Saturdays consistently would be better than ever moving every other Saturday because if you're just some picking some random month in May, I want to bring something in. I'm going to have to really figure out So I I I guess I would change my thought to that being a good idea because we actually save money there. The only downside I can see is on Saturday I know as a whole the recycling center loses money but our Saturdays in particular maybe a profitable day due to how now if not if none are a profitable day and there's not anything unusual about a Saturday and I don't see a downside in in doing that. What are your thoughts, Charlie? Council Brian, >> Mr. Mayor, >> Council Brett, >> um, I would I would I mean, if if we use last Saturday as an example, I would say probably even like 2/3 to a half of that would be a regular Saturday. And Saturday, our recycling day, in my opinion, look very slow. Um, I mean, there's a lot of time where there's a lot of gaps where nobody's coming in and you're just kind of, you know, whether it be, you know, you'll probably get the people come right away at 9:00 and then um you know maybe there'll be a rush at 10:30ish but I mean it's it's not constant people in there and um I would say honestly the big taking away other other than curbside recycling everybody's just bringing their cardboard. I mean nothing nothing that's coming in other than scrap metal and cardboard can't be taken curbside. Now, I understand some people don't use curbside, but if you're using garbage, that's certainly an availability to everybody. That's usually included. And if you cut down on the hours, it's just going to be more cardboard. And if you don't get get all bailed on Saturday, there's enough there for for for the following week to to go through to, you know, during those down times. I mean, I usually there there hasn't been enough cardboard that's stayed around. It's usually been all gone through. I mean, I I in the three hours that that's been open on a Saturday, that room's been full of cardboard and I've left it with it empty. So, um even if you know, there was a mass run of cardboard, you um in a couple hours of of constant bailing and loading, you should be able to get through all that. That's probably the big thing that could get in the way. I mean, people wouldn't be able to bring in their oil. Okay, they can wait till next people do. Considering that people bring in gallons and gallons at a time, I don't think that's a big huge deal to wait another time. Um the one challenge that um the one thing Oh, the one thing I thing I wanted to bring up is I would be I would be concerned by hiring a high schooler if they're going to be using the bailers, the plastic and especially the cardboard bor. I would say we don't want a high schooler who's not 18 doing that in my opinion. >> Mr. C, can I just speak for just a minute for you? Um, so a lot of it could be curbside, but just like you stated, the oil, oil filters, the transmission fluid, that stuff is not curbside at all. So that's and really we're talking about service level. That's what we're talking about. How are we going to service our community? So as we're thinking about this, if if we drop hours, that's less service that will provide to the community. How much does that impact? It's a little bit subjective. Go ahead, council member. the council member Brian I and I can't I can't so OSHA changed I agree that you don't want kids playing on the bailing I try not to to do the bailing it's unless I would wear high heels I have a hard time getting the the the door down so I don't always bail when I'm there and so um and as you say whatever doesn't get bailed can get bailed on Tuesday if they're there just for an educ edational piece. Um, but OSHA did change the law as far as the age for using equipment and I know we had had conversations about it um, based on summer help in the parks and how old did they have to be to run the equipment um, to be able to satisfy OSHA. But if we didn't have them run on Baylor, we'd be fine on that. A concern I have with high school is um lack of serious commitment and it's if it's every Saturday, you know, it's people go, "Yeah, I can do that." And then all of a sudden their buddies want to do something on Saturday and they can't. So, I I I would shy away from a high schooler just because I'm not sure that there'd be that consistent commitment to be there from 9 to 12 every Saturday. Um, but I I I like the staggering the Saturdays going first and third, second and fourth. We don't touch We do reduce two days of um usage to our to for our residents. Um but we we have keep our staffing. We keep two people there at a time and we don't change our budget at all. And we are still trying to get money from the county to cover some of the outside of Nland residents. So maybe on that. >> Can I ask a question? Wouldn't that change the budget if you put two people on Saturday or you're saying like every other >> every other? Yeah. >> Going every two of them which is different than every other. Can we go back to what Council Member O'Brien? Why don't we just go back to the way it was? If we were open Monday through Thursday, four days a week and every Saturday, why don't we go back to that? That's servicing the community. And right now, we're saying, "Hey, let's let's keep it doubled up. Why don't we go the other way?" That's if you were a resident, you want to drop stuff off, wouldn't you want more hours available than less? >> Yes. >> That's the part I'm confused on here, >> Mr. Mayor. Council Mar >> um more hours is more more um it the residents would like more hours. Um but then you're going down to one person at a time. >> Mhm. >> Um the recycle center has changed. Um there's much more maintenance cleanup there. Um there are times where people come in in there and they're not happy. having a second face, having two employees there h um is a buffer to that. Um and I I I prefer that we stay with the three days be the Tuesday, Thursday every other first and third, fourth and second and fourth Saturday. Having two people there, it's a safety issue for the for the um staff that they are there. Um they have a partner to work with. um that they can get work done. Um one can be working, one can be educating and employ you know people as they come in. >> Can you talk on the safety side because that could be the piece that could change it if you look at so running equipment. >> So typically I work I don't allow people to run major pieces of equipment by themselves >> but the bor can you talk about the bor is it safe to run by yourself or should we not be doing that? It's literally putting the cardboard if as long as you can get up to it. No offense. It's literally just filling the cardboard in, closing the door, and that's the challenge that there's other ways to do it. And then literally hold the door and push the button and the bor's the bor's doing its thing. >> And usually pushing the box, your hands are all outside. >> If it's popped, >> go ahead. I mean, if something did get jammed up in there, which could happen at any case, then um it would just be pulling the cardboard down on top or just running it with it as it is. I mean, it could literally be the the challenging part is actually the bailing part because you're literally opening the door as you saw, opening the door, putting straps around, putting straps around the bale cardboard, and then um making sure it's set up right so that the pallet's in the way and it falls down. Again, if you have a bail and it's or it's ready to be bailed and you're not comfortable bailing in it, >> leave it. And then and then um it can be it can be done Tuesday. And usually um I know when I at least run into Don, he's usually that Saturday morning everything's all there and bailed up and he he might even be to the point where it doesn't even need to be bailed on that Saturday. But I mean the um I'm you know so as long as you know what you're do that that that would be the challenging part is actually doing the bailing part putting the cardboard in closing the door and hitting the button is is is not a huge deal. >> Okay. >> I was just going to point out that when I was at the recycling day um I I heard a story of an employee who actually was injured on the bail. he actually got sort of caught up in it. And if he didn't he wasn't able to get assistance, he would have been able to escape his injury. And so I would agree with Councilman Brian that, you know, hitting the button, closing the door, no big deal. But if you're having to change the bail, I think that is a safety issue. We would not be able to have just one person do that, I don't think. And there are, I think, other safety issues. Um, you know, there are heavy things to lift, move. There are probably bees in there with the pop cans and stuff. There's probably fumes with the the oil and the the antifreeze. I I think there's good reason to have two people on staff there. Um but I don't I'm going to work on Patrine. I see everywhere. >> Mr. Mayor, >> I'm not building confidence. >> Go ahead. >> Honestly, uh has never been a problem because it's a it's in a relatively closed container and same with the oil coming down. It's, you know, it's mostly it's in that ginormous container. Um, if anything, from a safety perspective, I would say there's less of an issue because we're not using the big metal metal um, cans that we they have been in the past. I mean, in the past, you put your plastic in in a giant plastic bin and then the actual attendant literally had to roll it back to the bor and then put it in. That was way more of a hazard issue and a cleanup issue than it is now because everybody was just throwing whatever in there. Um, so if anything right now, I would say the way that it's set up and with the cans and the glass and back, it's less of a clean up and less maintenance to to maintain on a daily basis. So, I definitely appreciate all the perspective on this cuz I didn't just things I continue to learn early. Council member Glazer, do you have anything else to add on this? >> Um, I don't know. I I'm accustomed to to our recycling center being open open more hours the week. Um, and it's and I just have to I have to go to the the c the calendar and make sure I know what day it, you know, realize what day of the week it is and make sure that it's open. I'm I guess I'm not really I'm not in favor of cutting cutting additional hours to the to the recycling center. So that maintain Tuesday, Thursday, set every Saturday and use that the concept you were talking about earlier. Shift three hours from one and keep it open every Saturday. >> Overlap shifts on Tuesday, Thursday. And then if if if Saturday day is the day that we have to have two people for those three hours because it's busier than Tuesday and Thursday, then you know, like I said, shift the hours on Tuesday, Thursday to accommodate that to so it doesn't have a negative impact to the budget >> and then we maint but it's still it's still going to mean that we're going to have to hire somebody else. >> Yeah, Mr. Mayor, that's what I was just going to point out is that yeah, because they don't want to work every Saturday. That was why we were doing an alternating. And as far as going back to like all four days, um, you know, I can tell you the attendance that we have right now like the two days because it's busier. We are going into the way slow time and those six hours can get awfully long in the winter time when it's just one person, at least if there's two, if someone slips. The biggest issue right now I believe that they've been having is the spilled oil that spills when they're trying to put it in. Then you got to clean up that oil and find a good way to keep people from slipping in addition to the heavy items and such too. >> Sorry, I was excited when you think of the most obvious injury slipping on the oil. >> Yeah. And that is >> one in the winter time it gets wet as people are coming in with snow on their um on the concrete there. It gets slippery. We also sorry Mr. comfort where you finished. >> I think so. I think I was just trying to think of the things that I've heard. I haven't actually like worked over there other than doing a few bailing and you know a few of you have and I can only tell you what the employees are like. They would much rather have two people um and they don't want to work every Saturday. And the two people that we do have have made great improvements to a recycling center from when it was. >> So we go back to what council you proposed. They only want to work every other Saturday. So then we would have a Saturday with nobody there at this point. >> Correct. >> If we went to that I was missing that until you just little epiphany moment there. So I thought that was like going to be a solution. Keeps us in budget, keeps us open, but that's not okay. I would much rather have the recycle center than lose it. >> Mr. Mayor, council member, >> um I mean perhaps we could just try the two Saturdays a month for a period and I don't know, see if it is an issue, see how many complaints we get. >> Just like going out to that point, if we if this is a slow period of time from now until it's March or April, whatever that case is, it probably won't have a major impact. But where I see it having an impact is in the summer. >> So maybe there could be a I'm going to say a more of a modular or a hybrid approach where we can look and say, "Okay, yep, we're getting into that season. We have one October. We could go to that schedule till the beginning of April and then we go back to running like like we have." >> Mr. Mayor, too, what? I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> What if we um incorporated that into the summer seasonal We could certainly request it >> and see if it's something whoever would come in for summer seasonal and have them help out >> on Saturday mornings. >> Mr. Mayor C, >> that would give us the opportunity to have discussions and yeah see what's is that the only thing I see with and I've been in this two days two Saturdays a month is Christmas and Amazon deliveries and cargo. So, we may in looking at a calendar, we may ask if we could do a third in there. And I've not looked to see where Christmas lands on on the calendar. Um, but maybe do either an extra long day >> right before Christmas or right after in January >> to try to come come up with being able to take that extra card. I know my house and we don't buy gifts, but my husband's got packages coming all the time. Christmas is Thursday. >> Okay. But is and towards the end of the month. So depending if we went the first and third or second to the fourth. >> First and third would cover it. Would not cover Christmas. >> Okay. >> But second and fourth or maybe just ask for a longer >> Saturday after Christmas. >> Christmas. Yeah. I mean that's something and we can think about >> Saturday. Extra Saturday. The other thing too does that would give Dileia um or or Miss Miller um the ability to um look at other avenues of um changing how we're charging things for things if we can um look at new haulers. I after the recycle center date I gave Natalie a list of things to to task deal you with you know to try to come up with some things of of how we can maybe make more money in there. We're not going to get much more from the county. Like I said, we are waiting to see what they will reimburse us. If they will reimburse us, it's been recommended that they reimburse us for outside of now than residents. What that will be if it comes true, I don't know what that dollar amount will be, but I just know that um their formulas are based on our population and um it went up like $12.60 or something like that from 25 to 26. So, we're always going to be tight on that money as far as what the count is willing to get. >> Can we have the internet being added to that though? So, they can look up some of these things and do some of this during the day when they're in the works. >> Right. It is in the works. Yes. Um Craig said he would have everything trenched over there by the end of October, hopefully before it freezes. >> Um we do have, as you got in one of my emails, one of the cameras is down because it won't stay connected. They said it was too old. I actually posed a question um to IPS today is if it was uh hardwired, would that camera still work so we wouldn't have to buy another one? Because those cameras are over three grand. So >> please wire them. >> So I'm waiting to get an answer back from the tech if that would work then. >> Okay. So >> Mr. Council member, right? >> I'm just if if if to to minimize one concern, I'm just looking at them right now, is they make um oil absorbing mats that you can put in front and you could even put it in front of the door. Um there was um I know one time we had floor dry over there that there was an oil spill, I would just put some floor dry on there and it would sit there while we were there and if anything before I left it would sweep up or even stay late and sweep up the rest of the floor. So I think that can can easily be mitigated >> um to take care of that. So >> don't know that the the oil on the floor is my biggest safety concern because we have tools to clean it up. But I but the one I will bring up is concrete gets really slippery in the winter time. >> So I'm trying to justify my mind is there a safety issue or are we setting this person up if they were by themselves? Is it a concern? And and that's what I'm trying to I'm just struggling with internally. So if we were to look back at what what do we do at the city? Nobody we don't leave a person there by themselves. This is what I'm struggling with is if we don't do it there, why would we do it over here, >> right? >> That's a good point. >> Yeah. >> I know. And I will say it might happen for you know an hour or something but never very long. If there is somebody goes to lunch or >> well and if it is you shut down the office and you don't let the public in if there's just one person there whereas the recycling center that is the whole job public coming through. So I >> I you know now that you point that out mayor that actually does seem sort of um >> I was really hoping to go hey let's open this thing up. That was my intent. But now that I take all the pieces in, I'm shifting the other way because I really want to service the community to have it over. I try to get there on a Saturday and here's me rolling at 11:55 just trying to make it there, but I'm only one person and there's a lot more to take care of. So, I'd like to see expanded hours, but I don't want to impact the budget from additional costs. And from another perspective, there's a lot of communities that only do a quarterly recycling day and don't offer a full service every, you know, open all the time. Many of, you know, Oakrove, St. Francis, those I think Oakrove is maybe I think it's only twice a year. St. Francis does it every quarter. >> Mr. Mayor Swans, go ahead. >> Just thought if we do switch it to twice a day, I guess one other metric we could watch is how often tires get dumped in the dishes or called the If that increases, I think that would indicate that perhaps we need to keep our recycling or open our recycling center up a little more. That would be a concern. But I just, you know, I agree with what you say, Miss Johnson. I think a lot of communities, they just have those, you know, either twice a year or four times a year recycling days. And if you miss one of those, that's a big deal. Then you got to wait months to get all of your stuff. But here it's just wait a week. Are there people who come in every single Saturday with stuff? Are there? But it's >> it's not it's you're not talking massive amounts. >> They're bringing in a bag >> because that's just their routine is they're bringing in their one bag of plastics every every Saturday. >> How how about like construction? Like Ken, do you like bring I don't know what kind of material they have, but in your work, do you bring stuff into the recycling center? Is it a detriment to not have it? >> So the one thing the one thing from my business that I do recycle is is wire steel. So, you know, I reclaim when I'm doing a demo demolition to rebuild fence, you know, I wind everything up and put it in the in the scraper. >> Um, so it it and like I said before, it's it's it's more it's more a matter of, you know, what what day of the month is it and is the recycling center open? Because sometimes I'll still come up here and forget that, oh, it's closed today. >> Yeah. So >> would it be a hardship for you and your job? I mean just you as a very particular example and come up here on Saturday, oh crap, I got to hold on to it till Tuesday or next Saturday. >> No, probably more upset with yourself and lower it in your truck just to go >> cuz I'm going to have to take it out next week. >> As long as you don't dump it in my phone. >> No, I'm I am uh I'm facidious about picking up other people's garbage. On just a funny note is we got a complaint today about apples dumped in the ditch that Eric is going to go try to pick up tomorrow. >> You know, Eric was just telling me he had an excess of apples. This is [Laughter] >> telling me that every personally I wouldn't I wouldn't use the the man hours to go pick him up and let the deer get him. >> That was kind of the thought trying to keep our residents happy. He said he would come and get as much as he could out of it with the because he's got to go right by for something else. So, >> he's not going to hand pick them up. He's just going to use the tool cat. But I'm just like the things people complain about. You know, Mary and I were talking earlier is that maybe this is needs to be a post on Facebook and onto the website is like these are the kind of complaints we get and public works has to deal with it >> and it takes them away from something more important. >> I like Ken's approach. Yeah. So, so Mr. Mayor, >> council reel, >> if there's no if there is, is there any more discussion? >> I think we're discussion out on this one. >> Okay. So, I would move that we keep Tuesdays and Thursdays 11 to 5 and we move to a first and third Saturday where both employees are working effective October 4th. So, starting this Saturday, we we be open that staff post the information at city hall, at excuse me, at the city office, at the recycling center, on the website and Facebook. And in December, we have a discussion as to additional hours based on the volume of cardboard because of the Christmas holiday. And we would keep those hours until April 4th, which is the first Saturday in April, and that council have a discussion as far as do we as Miss Johnson's recommendation of bringing the seasonal in, can we do something like that? Will by that time we'll have maybe had some changes in operations of haulers and things like that that maybe can offset some costs if we do something different. >> I would second that. I would but I would add to that. I would like the the city staff to track if the amount of calls for dumped garbage or dumped tires. Well, just track it. I mean, I guess we were not track maybe we're not tracking it before, so we won't know exactly if it increases, but I I trust that you guys will notice if it increases. And then also to track how many residents complain that they went in on Saturday only to find it closed because if it does end up being a big issue, then I'm open to revisiting this because I agree with everything you guys have said that ideally we would expand service and not decrease it, but I'm hopeful this this is an acceptable decrease in service at least for the winter months. So I would second having said all that. >> Just a clarification. So uh council member Melville, you said in April then we would review it. council. >> Yeah. Well, it would review it in March. It would be it this change would be um effective through April 4th. So, prior to April 4th, we would have conversations. >> Can you add that to our March council meeting too that we go back and maybe list on how we work? >> Yes. And of course, if anything comes up in the meantime, we discuss it. >> We could have another meeting. >> Yeah. >> Special recycling. Is there any discussion on Western proposed? >> Mr. Mayor, >> I know it's come up in the past, but have we possibly does this need to be thought about if staff is not available on this Saturday? I don't know who was supposed to be working this Saturday or not working this Saturday and we're going to have two people there. >> I would have to check if we want to make it effective so quickly. >> Okay. >> Um, actually, no. The fourth was supposed to be Christy, so I would have to see if So, I don't know if we need to change it till November >> to have give the opportunity to work that out. >> Can you state as soon as possible with staff working that out? Can we do that? >> Motion soon as possible. I don't think that's very quantifiable. >> Or is the second and the fourth a better choice or I have no idea. I would be able to speak with them tomorrow when they're on. >> We can add that in there. So before November 1st, it would be in effect. Could we state something like that? That's quantifiable. >> Yeah. >> Can we restate that? When are you suggesting it kicks in? >> My brain track. >> I just don't know if Saturday's going to work. No, I I listen I don't understand what the mayor is suggesting >> that we would have this in effect prior to November 1st. So in the month of October, we will figure out if it's the first and first and third or second and fourth and when it's going to go different. >> So So yes, so if Miss Mr. Mayor >> may So if Miss Johnson can have a conversation with staff and if this Saturday works for both of them, we'll start it this Saturday. >> Perfect. If it doesn't, then we'll have to have a um I I would let Miss Johnson decide based on conversations with staff what the start date would be. >> No later. >> Could we just say let's plan on first and third, but if it turns out that they can't do it this upcoming weekend, maybe just shoot for second and fourth. Does it make a difference? First and third, second and fourth. I mean, Mr. Mayor, >> can council member Swanson not eat a box of juju bees on? >> It's my brain. >> Gives me fuel. >> I'll work it out. And Mr. Mayor, >> can we respect Not, can we respectfully ask our residents to not dump anything because it's a waste of our city resources to have to go pick it up? >> I don't like the idea that it was brought up as a way to keep the recycle center open anymore. Yeah, >> I don't think we have to. >> I don't even know if that's a legitimate request. Everybody is responsible for taking care of their own trash. So, I think it's very irresponsible that we would have to have people doing this. Now, it may not be our residents. That's the one thing that it could be somebody else driving it. >> Yeah. >> So, I would ask that everybody please be responsible just like Council Member Glazer and pick up more trash than it's not even yours and pick it up. >> That that's very helpful for our community. Okay. So, we got a motion, we got a second. Any other discussion on this? Are we good? Okay, let's vote. All those in favor say I. >> I opposed. Motion carries. >> Move to ajourn. >> I'll second journ. Thank you very much.