All right, we're going to start the uh work session. Um I don't have the >> Can we start with the pledge of session? >> We'll start with the >> to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay, I'll have the mayor do the roll call. >> All right, I'll do the roll call. So, thank you. Starting with yourself, Commissioner Abla or Chair Chapla. >> All right, we got present. Uh, Commissioner Pero >> here. >> Commissioner Carlson, >> present. Commissioner Jorgensson >> here. >> Commissioner Bees >> here >> and Commissioner Lewis is not present. Uh and then we have Planner Nash >> present. >> And okay, so that concludes roll call. >> Thank you. >> We're short one. >> Okay. And then we have five candidates to go through at this session. make a motion to amend the uh agenda to include the interviews today. >> Okay. So, >> I think this is a separate agenda from your normal meeting. >> Okay. So, we're starting a little early, but you could look and say, "Hey, I I would recommend you amend the agenda. You add to your interview process and then and then you start." >> All right. So, I'll amend the agenda to the meeting. a motion that intervenes at item three. Next motion >> or that would be >> there's a separate agenda for the 6:00 meeting. >> There it is. >> Yep. >> Where is that? >> Um it was sent out. >> Okay. Anybody see a separate agenda? >> Yeah, I did. >> I don't have >> I just don't have a copy. It's not much on. >> No. So >> not much time >> propose that we move with the 6:00 with the >> interse. Okay. We have a motion by Commissioner Carlson, a second by Commissioner to approve an amendment. Approve the agenda as written. And uh and also I believe we're going to move the recommendation to the end of the meeting. >> Agreed. Okay. Any discussion? Seeing none, all in favor say I. >> I. Agenda is approved. Now we'll begin with agenda item four conduct interviews for vacancy on the planning and building commission. >> Start with Paul >> 10 minutes. Please go take a seat. Nice to meet you everybody. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, we're going to go through a number of questions. We got 10 minutes. So, >> we'll start with questions and we'll go around the table. We'll start with Commissioner Bees and go around clockwise. Commissioner Be. >> All right. Yeah. So, tell us a little bit about yourself, your relevant experience, and uh why you're interested in serving on the planning and zoning commission. >> So, my name is Pil. I'm moved to the city in 2020. Uh I'm now here. So, I've been uh raising. I have five kids which is the older one will be 12 and uh I'm working from home. I'm a engineer. Uh so I have quite some time and I like and also it's a time for me to give back to the community. I hate how we can serve, how we can lose new people, how we can uh build a better future, better city for so why not and I I've been looking for in different when I saw this uh police announcement going on I think that would be really and even like when you know why not joining us like bringing that youth to the city and kind of like from the uh our perspective kind of hey let's build this one and why I'm doing this one I think and also my my my background I also give before that on a bit of the construction and I build didn't build the uh the whole part of the zoning and and I think why not um but I'm here to enforce whatever and to bring the recommendation to the seeing how we can do that. But I'm following the ordinance. This is the one of the things kind of like I'm being consistent. One of the things consistent is the key. Um doesn't matter if you're the best. If you're consistent, you'll be the best. >> All right. Thank you. >> Number two, briefly describe the three most important personal qualities you believe are necessary to operate effectively as a venom. >> Uh number one, it's uh I think uh it's listening. listening to the even those who disagree with you, you have to listen and understand why they disagree with you and um also the following the the the guidance the rules where we have also just the consistency because if you don't listen and you don't follow the consistency that's following the part and um paying attention to the details Those details make the most what people speak up because if you don't hear those details and not not understanding true trying to go to the lo why the one why why you make a decision when I have one of the things with my kids I have to understand why it is I need to understand it's okay if I don't see it's wrong but I need to understand why we make a decision this helps understanding and guiding And that's how we'll kind of try to bring those into. >> So what are your uh short and long-term vision for the city of Malin and how should the city balance the rural character growth pressures and land use challenges and business development? My uh when I moved here I didn't know the the the seat at all. For me it was like first year was really hard to pronounce the name and like it was challenging what people and it was where is it now and then what is that? Yeah, it's the city now and then it's kind of and I moved here I like so much and I'm not planning to move from here unless something I'm kind of like um something I'm from out of my but that's I'm planning to raise my my kids and my family here also see um that's a beautiful community and I'm planning that's why I'm I'm joining this one so kind like to be a part to to follow those and to follow those rules and even be a part listening and how we can by listening this is how we can bring the better community to otherwise how you be like crit critic I don't think that's the best sitting hey run be wrong that's I think that's the easy job but to do something to roll up your sleeves on and make a changes of course I'll be critics by somebody else's but that's you That's the part of the of the of the mission and part of that's that's a challenge. That's a announcement of beauty to build something nice. It's kind of like to be something beautiful the northern which is our northern city has. Why not? And I I would like to my my kids to to choose to live in the same city here. So kind of not only for me but >> am I allowed to skip to question eight? >> Pick your question. >> Okay. What is your understanding of the role of a planning commissioner including duties related to staff city council the plans ordinances and regulations? >> Well, thank you for the question. I really appreciate. Um the the duty is kind of like recommend to the city to the commission kind of like to listen understand and follow all the rules and if any disagreement kind of like to understand why those are listen and to apply the consistent with the rules of the ordinance what we have that's actually kind of like recommendation on uh all the CO of the book where we have kind of like how the law the biological city behavior that's what we are here to enforce and and that's actually the main like kind of like we are trying to um be that one between the kind of like the the people who applies between the the city commission city council hey we Um, what areas within the responsibility of the position uh do you feel most familiar and how do you plan on getting up to speed? >> Uh, I'll take you up to speed. I'll uh I'll do all the training whatever necessary but one of the things I work on the data and all the decision I'm trying to be based on the data based on facts not on the fields or any kind of like kind of data If it's the city, if you don't like go to the house, go to the city kind of like let's change the rules. But or unless something kind of like you know, but let's follow the rules or that's why we're here to enforce and that's what that's the beauty kind of hey this is we hear everybody but something let's change the rules but it's I'm not for that one. I like to have the consistency and the unit and the beauty and the beauty how to think I've got anything more than what >> really >> what we've covered there. We about out of our time. >> You you have two and a half minutes. Okay. Two and a half minutes. >> Would you like to pick a question? Not really. I'm just going to listen. And >> would you like to pass it back to the chair? >> You can go back to chair or chair. >> So, >> yeah, I'll uh ask uh Melan's a uh complaint driven city for ordinances. So, in your opinion, should the city maintain this or would you like to see see the city proactively enforce ordinances? >> That's right here. So we if you know so basically in other words you want to complain with the law where the complainers or something you know if you don't like something somebody was saying run for legislative change the laws change the orders I'm not here for I'm here to somehow understand that hey like hey I understand this is the rules we have to apply those ones and this is the ordinance what we build and this is for a couple of years and they have a reason why let's try to implement how we can adjust it and how we work as like one unity and how to build it because if you'll start I'll give it to you something one in favor for you one for me that's the house >> that's not that's not a good start >> I was just going to say Do you have any questions for us? >> You got one minute. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> No, I'm the only thing I'm I'm really thankful for this opportunity uh for the exposure at least even I'm really looking forward for the build a city which I want to leave here. I don't want here the city where like to move on as soon as I have something in the you know with the all the rules of regulation. I want to to be a part to you to help to give back to the city because like the more you give the more you can that's all true experience I know you'll succeed if you if you have the community succeed everybody will succeed so that's that's what I'm here >> thank you >> thanks >> right 10 minutes guys >> good plus for the first round >> no teach I was going to say let's try those eight go first Harold, you're first this time. >> Our first question. >> All right, sir. >> I get the hot seat. >> You get the hot seat right here. >> I'll reset the time. >> Okay, >> this is Joseph. >> Joseph. >> Hello, everybody. >> Okay. What is uh the three most important qualities you you believe are necessary to operate effectively as a planning commission? Communication. See first understand research. >> All right. So um tell us a little bit about yourself, your uh relevant experience and and why you're interested in serving on the commission. >> I think that some of the skills that I learned in the last 25 years in human resource operations management I can bring to the table. uh creating teams, building teams, uh creating programs, working with programs and developing people and communicating expectations. >> Briefly describe the most important personal qualities you believe are necessary to operate effectively as a planning commission. Did you just read that one? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Oh, yes. I thought I was >> a trick question. >> I just want to see if you guys should be the same question. >> It should be the same question. >> Let's try that again. >> Okay. >> Same questions you read for the first one, guys. >> I read number two. That's why. >> What is your short and long-term vision for the city of NA? How should the city balance rural character, growth pressures, land use challenges and business development? >> Um, I went and read the actual responsibilities of this position and I thought that I could bring something to the table and have a clear understanding of that. I also am on am What is your understanding of the role of a planning commissioner including duties related to staff city council and the comprehensive plan ordinances and zoning regulations? >> I went and read through all the regulations. I also went and read through the 19 different application processes that are required for people who want to do certain things in the city and I had a better understanding of that. I also watched the last two zoning commission meetings on YouTube and I downloaded the packet to follow along with all of you as you went through the whole process. You guys did a great job. It's fun. >> I That last meeting was wild. You had a lot on your plate. It was interesting though to learn about what you all >> um what areas within this responsibility are you most familiar with and least familiar with as your job as you know as your previous jobs were >> most familiar with? Yes. Uh well taking the classes right now is really an eye opener for me. The educators it's educated me on things I didn't know about. Second thing was understanding all the classes involved and all the people involved and the decision making within the city. I went online to familiarize myself with all the 19 different people that are involved in all the processes. or least least least um >> familiar with. >> Least familiar with? >> Yeah, >> I don't know just yet. >> I don't want to throw myself under the bus. >> What about your number 10? What specific physical features of now are most worth protecting to you? And if you're if new residents complain about the noise or smells of an existing farm, how do you protect the farmer's right to operate? Farmer came first. I also a firm believer of preserving the wetlands and the wooded areas. I like the fact that we stand tall with minimum five acres and having to deal with offensive smell neighborh. >> We have had some areas over in the eastern portion there that are not 5 acres anymore. Yeah, I saw that. >> It's tough. >> That that creates a lot of questions to a lot of people. >> Of course, the other thing is that we used to measure everything to the center of the road. >> Lots of 5 acre lots that are listed as 5 acre are now 4.88, 88 a you know >> and so it it does create another question because like a condition you cannot have one if there's not a 58 lot. >> So which one are you measuring? >> So there's some questions in there that we we could do some brushing up on our edges. >> Um I have a question. Uh now then is a complaint driven city regarding code enforcement. >> Um in your opinion we should maintain this or should we go uh more proactively enforcing code violations? >> I think the code violations that were put in place by our persons probably were driven by issues and I would say that they should be enforced. Obviously, there's going to be some circumstances where you have to really dig into and understand the situation and the problem. Um, I always call that subcontraction by breaking down the actual situation feeling it out to see what's really driving this. >> Okay. >> Got three minutes. >> All right. Um, so how would you balance an individual's right to develop their private property against the impacts of the surrounding property uh in the neighborhood and and infrastructure? >> Ask a question again. >> So, so I guess how do you uh how would you balance an individual's right to develop their property? Let's say they have 40 acres and they want to develop it >> against the potential impacts on the surrounding neighborhood. So, um you know, as long as they're within the ordinances we have and that >> exactly >> how far are you for doing variances, doing things to modify our ordinances to fit how they want to develop their private property. I would say that somebody that wants to develop their their primary property, as long as they follow all the all the rules and recommendations and bylaws and laws and taking into consideration my neighbor, um I would definitely want to get their input on any things that I was going to do that would impact their property or their right of ways. Seek first to understand. >> Yep. 7 seconds. >> Okay. as a candidate for the commission. Do you have any questions for any of us? >> I do not, but thank you for asking me that. >> It's definitely been It's been a very When I got the call last week, I'm like, I better get my brain up to speed so I don't look like a fool in there. So, no, I don't. But thanks for asking. >> Thank you very much, sir. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome to stay. Okay. So, attempt to ask the same. >> Yeah, we can j up. I don't care. >> He answers really quickly. We got through a lot of questions. >> Oh, so this guy. >> Hello. >> Hello. Welcome. Go on the table and ask some questions. Sure, don't worry. I'll do it. Um, what is your short and long-term goal as vision for the city of Melvin that should have further rural character grow challenges and business development? >> Well, I think that uh, you know, short term it's it's important to listen to the people that are are here. Um I think long term we we work with our professionals to uh take a look at what growth looks like. So we plan on roads and business development and commercial and industrial development plots that we are planning accordingly. But I think it's really important to remember why people move out here and the large lots is is a big part of that. So, I think it's important that we include the people that have lived here a long time and people are moving out here to live in the country uh as part of our comp plan update because that's really what's going to guide us going forward in the comp plan as our the top of our hierarchy. What do the residents want that to be long term for the next two years? I think listening to the residents that Yeah. Um, what are the three most important uh qualities you believe are necessary to operate effectively as a clinic consulting commissioner? >> I I think that uh one do your homework take the information that you're given, research it, follow through with the ordinances and zoning regulations. Um, it's important to be a good listener and it's important to have good communication. So you're working as a team so that you're working off the same basis of information, the ordinances and the zoning regulations that you're communicating your understanding clearly and listening to the other commission members and particularly to the applicants as they're applying before the commission. >> How would you approach difficult decisions? For example, when neighbors disagree with an applicant, when your recommendation is unpopular or when the council votes differently. Well, when the council is is final authority, this is a recommending body to the council so that you make a good recommendation based on your research and your investigation. Uh but the council takes that information and gets the final authority. So, if they disagree with with the commission, they have the final authority. I've been on the other side of that where as a council member, I've disagreed with the commission. Um, and as long as commission understands their recommending body, that's it should never be an issue. Uh, as far as residents and applicants, again, if you disagree, if you disapprove an applicant's uh desire, it's important that the commission clearly state what it is that you disagree with, what what grounds did you deny that request? Because that's going to be a legal obligation. If you've done a thorough job and you've explained it completely for the legal obligation, generally that's going to be understood by the applicant why you denied them. Again, communication going back to what makes a good commission member. The commissioner clearly identifies and articulates to the applicant why they can or can't do it. And generally, you're going to deny it. It's going to be on legal grounds. It doesn't comply with the ordinances or with the requirements for variance. So if you articulate that also understands why you make decisions and the applicant understands why you make decisions and so that generally will have off any further complications. >> So we operate pretty much as a complaint based city for ordinance enforcement. Are you uh do you still believe that's that's applicable to the city as it grows or would you like to see it change to more of a proactively first? >> I think we're small enough. I think that it's still important to operate on a complaint base. I think the first thing we always try to encourage as council members when I was on council is neighbors should talk to neighbors first. And and I think if you have somebody from the city uh going around there certainly are opportunities in a small city like ours to say those are in violation of the ordinances and we should clean that up. But I also think that by doing that you're going to incur a lot more costs in the city and you're going to to have residents that much further apart from each other. I think if neighbors are talking to neighbors and saying this bothers me. Can I help you clean it up? um or were you aware this violated the ordinance? I think that the more we can communicate as a community, the better. The more it becomes a bureaucracy, then you have people that you don't know enforcing things on you in a way that also then I've seen too often where that type of thing turns into a citation and sheriff shows up and I wasn't even aware what happened and now I'm being cited by the sheriff. So I think that communication on the individual level is still more important than community our size. >> Thanks. >> What specific specific physical features of now that are most worth protecting to you? >> I think that we have some of the last in the county. I I think it's important to protect our our lakes, protect our our waterways. I I think that keeping land open so that those people that still want to have large animals um to try and not tax them out of it or force them out of their land through development, if they want to have large animals, if they want to have small crops. I think those are important features. We're the we're the last hub in this part of Mila County that still has that claim. If you look at the development all around us, so people are coming out here for the large lots to be able to do what they want to do. You got 10 acres. I I'm still okay with large buildings and large ques. I think those are important aspects for our future. What is your understanding of the role of a planning commissioner including duties related to staff city council comprehensive plan ordinances and zoning regulations? Well, >> I think it's a it's important it's critical for the commissioners to know the comp plan. So, I'll have a copy of the comp plan and when you're making recommendations of the council, you should be referring to the comp plan specific ordinance and specific zoning regulations. Here's why this complies with that. Here's why it doesn't comply with that in making your decisions. As I said before, this commission is a recommending body. We're here commission is here to do research and present facts to the council for their decision. So, we make a recommendation, but it's subordinate as an appointed body to the council, but it's the commissioner's job to get the information, research it, research the properties, and see how it aligns with hierarchic documentation, account plan, ordinances, signing regulations, and city policies. >> Just under two minutes. Tell us why your relevant experience. Oh my gosh, murder this question. It's awesome. It's great. Tell us about yourself. Your relevant experience and why you are interested in serving on committee. Try that one side. >> Well, I I think I've demonstrated I've been out here 41 years. I moved out from Minneapolis to raise a family out here on my home is a started in 1874. Um and uh I raising my family out here. I chose to serve. So I used to come to town board meetings uh just as an observer to see what was going on in the community I moved to. I was appointed to planning and zoning in the town board. Was on the cop plan amendment that year before I became city. I also served uh 14 years uh actually 16 years on city council. as a council member and 10 as mayor. Uh I've been on the planning and zoning either as a commissioner or leazison for 18 years prior to this last year. Um and so I have connections because I've been to city meetings on all our neighboring communities. I've been to city meetings. I've been planning connections with people throughout the community. I served on the League of Minnesota cities board of directors, small cities board of directors. So I'm familiar with the challenges that small cities face around the state and how we can effectively avoid the things that they did wrong and and and implement the things that they did right. So I I moved out here to raise family in the country and I want to make it a place that my grandkids can still Thank you very much. Did she hear us? >> All right. Can I start this? Thank you. >> Mr. Lewis was very quick. >> Tell us about yourself and your relevant experience and why you're interested in serving in the city of planning commission. Why do you believe that you'd be a strong candidate? >> Sure. I uh my wife and I moved here almost nine years ago, nine years next month. Um we escaped St. involved looking for a quieter life. Um, I have two boys, a seven-month-old and a four-year-old, and it's very important to me that when they grow up and have their own families that they can come back to the place that they were raised, and it's and it looks largely the same. You know, it that the rural lifestyle is both what my wife and I grew up with. Um, it's uh a beautiful piece of land out here. The people out here are just the best. And um my wife and I are at a point where um we're established. We like where we're at. We're um we're ready to be a part of a community in more ways. And so I see this opportunity u council um as an extension of service back to the community. I my line of business is in um uh construction residential construction. I am experienced in um reading flat maps and understanding land usage. Um it's uh it's something that feels like it dovtales into my experience and uh here I am. Thank you. briefly describe the three most important personal qualities you believe are necessary to operate effectively as a platinum commissioner. Great question. Um I think first and foremost anybody that uh is around uh me would say that I'm fair. Um I am able to listen to multiple different points of view uh evaluate those points of view and uh um come to a agreement decision, however you put it. Um that people feel like when they're around me that they're they're uh conversations are fair. I am analytical. I'm uh I like to look into uh you know look into things and and develop a a good uh point of view based on facts based on um you know well researched ideas. Um and I would say the last thing is I'm easy to get along with. I I'm not somebody who believes that they know everything about everything and I um am hungry to learn. I'm uh interested in in growing myself personally and uh grabbing as much information from people that are around me uh as much as possible. >> What is your short and long-term vision for the city of now? Then how should we balance this? >> Yeah. Uh, you know, I'll start with longterm. Um, you know, you look around now then and it's uh pretty obvious to see the changes that are happening. Uh, you know, going back to uh where I work, I I work with many different builders that are nearby now then that are building. look at what has changed in Ramsay and how um how Andover has changed over the years and in different cities that are around here. Um it's hard to fight that path of development where um when there's a parcel of land that has a lot of value, people want it and they want to develop it in the best way possible. Um that being said, um the the spirit and the culture of Malin is rural and I think that that needs to balance against growth uh in the future. And how that looks I, you know, I I live on a 5 1/2 acre parcel of land. It's the right amount of distance away from neighbors to still feel while also being part of a neighborhood. Um, you know, there's some paved roads, some gravel roads, and and that's okay. And, uh, I I would like to see the future of now continue the way that it is right now where there is development, but it's not high density uh, development. Um, that's my personal >> um, how do you approach difficult decisions? Um, when neighbors disagree uh with an applicant and your recommendation is unpopular. Um when the city council votes differently. >> Yeah. I mean conflict is a part of the process. You're not going to avoid it. And many times there is somebody that feels like they lost. Um you know, first and foremost, people need to uh feel like they're being hurt. And so whether they're uh whether they're being voted against or losing in in the situation, um I find that if people feel like they they have had the opportunity to get their point across uh and uh there's some understanding that they feel less hurt by it. uh being calm um you know being a good listener being uh able to take in multiple different points of view and then ultimately the decision being made I believe needs to be based on you know the laws regulations uh restrictions that are already in place that somebody that has put into place if you make a decision based on fact based on something that's written I think that you can walk away feeling uncomfortable and I I've been voted against in in my professional career many times and uh um you know we don't always win and sometimes it doesn't feel good but uh if you feel like you've been hurt it feels a little bit better. What um specific physical features of now then are worth protecting to you? And if you if residents complain about the noise or smells of an existing farm, how do you protect the farmer's right to operate? >> Great question. I mean, first and foremost, I I mean, I'm an outdoors person, and so, you know, anytime that there's a parcel of land with water and wildlife, um a parcel of land that is uh you know, native grasses and meadows, that to me is peak beauty. You know, natural uh natural establishments. Um part of now then obviously is farms and there are smells that come off of farms. And uh you know the depending on where you choose to live, there's pluses and minuses to every parcel of land. And um you know, the farmer absolutely would have a right to uh utilize his land as long as he's following the same types of laws and regulations that uh his neighbors would have to follow. Um, you know, to to some the smell of a farm to me reminds me of home. So, uh, to others it might be more offensive. Uh, but you know, to me the offensive thing would be sirens. I, you know, coming from living in city life, different different people see things differently. >> Got a minute and a half. >> You have any questions for admission? probably more than what we would have time for. Um, but you know, uh, in the in the description of it there there was a a sentence about 3 to eight hours per month. Um, I'm curious besides sitting at this table discussing hearing from the public, what does this job look like outside of sitting at this table? I will I'm fairly new. >> Um >> I'm not super familiar with Now Then either. So I have to go out and drive when I go to look at a piece of property just cuz I've only lived here about 10 years >> in Now Then. Um so I I have to look up the address and go look at ground. Um >> and then I look online. I probably spend sometimes it's really easy and we're here just just like 15 minutes. It's great. >> But then you'll have you know we're here three hours. >> Yeah, >> those ones are a little long and they take some time to prepare. >> Yeah, >> you're gone eight hours but >> you're receiving documents or things to review prior to meetings and have ability to prepare off of those. >> Yeah. And some of it will require you to probably look up um things, research some things online. Um I don't know everything about everything. There's there's a lot of stuff I have to research to understand what it is, what are its options, and what directions are the good, bad, and ugly. >> So this app starting the clock. >> Thank you. Um, go ahead and uh tell us about yourself, your relevant experience and why you're interested in certain on my name is Cal Wage and um I I we are moving out here and um I I'm interested in serving because I years ago I was I worked in the planning and zoning in Charlotte County and it always interested me but my career has taken me a different path in doing bookkeeping and accounting. Um, and I'm I've always been interested in like architecture and grooming and the the um the community. I've never taken the chance to put myself out there. So, I guess here I am putting myself out there. Um, and it's nice to know people in the air to get to know people in the area and also be involved since we're going to be moving out here and know what's going on in the community. You know, a lot of times you just don't you hear things on Facebook or you see things in online and you just don't have all those answers, but at least you have a voice and um can help the community expand or hold something back if you need to. Thank you. >> I tell you, you don't have a lot of experience with rural areas then as far as agriculture or anything like that. What goes on and what doesn't go on? >> I do not I I my mom and dad developed their area. I know some of what that was when they retired, but not a lot. And I'll be honest, I do not know a lot about it. I'm willing to learn. Um, sometimes it's good to learn and have fresh eyes. >> So, there's going to always room, you know, because we're getting a lot of more small land owners and we have large land owners and this is a concern of mine. Correct. >> I I put a lot of my resources in as I work in the land rather than have close neighbors. I I have the animals whatever comes the coyotes and the deer and along with the other kind of animals. So >> right and preserving the land is very important. Well, yeah. And Nand is unique for the simple fact that our land is better than most of the area and the north metro area is sand. This is not sand. >> And it does a real good job for a lot of our farmers growing crops. You can make some real decent money doing it. >> It holds the moisture. It holds >> very What's your thing? Yeah, we had a unique property in Shervin County where we were on clay. It was right off of Tunis Brook. So, I'm well aware of that thing and how well it can make and sometimes it's too hard to do anything. Well aware of that also. >> Be Yeah. So along those same lines, what what's your long-term vision for the city of Nal then as far as balancing the rural character and uh growth pressures and land use challenges that we're facing? >> Obviously not thought about that much because I I this is my first dab, so I'm going to be very honest. Um, I want to learn about those types of things because for me, preserving the area is really important to me. When I I grew up, my my in-laws have had a place here since ' 70s. So, it's very important to have like that area to have um to not be into the cities, you know, just outside of the cities. It's really nice to have this land. Um, I think that you just have to control the growth is what what I'm saying. You know, keep the larger plots, keep the, you know, people from splitting 5 acres or 10 acres down into small parcels. Thank you. Now then is a complaint driven study regarding code enforcement. In your opinion, should the city maintain this or would you like to see the city proactively enforce code violations? >> Code violations. Um say that again. I didn't hear the first part of it. >> So the way we do it now is it's just people complain about it and then it's it's handled. Would you like to see it enforced proactively >> if they're violating codes? I think it depends on the code number one. If it's a neighborly dispute that's one, but the codes are very important. There's codes for a reason, right? I think that everybody should be abiding by those codes because you let one person slip. The rest of them are not. So, I think that they should be enforced. >> Just four and a half minutes. Okay. describe the three most important personal qualities you believe are necessary to operate effectively as a planning commission. >> Number one, open mind, you know, listen to people. Uh don't form an opinion before they they come before you. I think that you can have be educated on it, but I also think that you need to um let them have why they they need to do like a conditional use permit or that type of thing. Um, I I think that's very important just to have an open mind and be available in the community. I think that you should be talking to people and and kind of researching what the area is all about. I I'm very about the community being involved and um representing the community. as a as a commission, you represent the community and I think that it's very important that you hear your people. >> Got three minutes. >> What is your understanding of the role as a commissioner? Um, and it could relate to staff, council, plans, zoning codes. I think you need to research everything ahead of time that you get presented from well Sherman County. You present materials ahead of time to the commissioners and they go over them and they they um look at the different scenarios and what they're asking for. You have to spend some time outside of the meeting and um really get to know. Sometimes I think you need to go take a look at some of the stuff too before you just form an opinion. Um, and it's really what's best for the community. So, and what's best for the people in the community, and you're making those decisions based on codes and um, and what it's going to bring to the community. I have another question that kind of leans off the trail just a little bit. What is your opinion of people developing properties with private roads to them? >> I think the private roads a lot of times will cause a problem because then there's the private roads are hard to get somebody to maintain. I think it might cause a little bit of a dispute amongst people. So, >> we have this is a problem right now and nowadays and we don't know yet exactly how it's all going to work out, you know, because if you got people living there and live there forever, it's going to be easily. But if it doesn't, it could be something that could cause us a lot >> or in the future. Yeah. It could cause a grievance. But that's what I'm looking at, you know, just what the future of that is because >> it's quite important that everybody has their work out and maintain >> right and then you get disputes and you get all so >> okay it's the last minute you as a candidate for the planning commission have any questions for any members of the zoning commission I I don't I really don't. >> Thank you. >> So, you have about five minutes till you start again. >> Should the work session? >> Okay. Yes. We'll entertain a motion for I'll make a motion to Motion by Commissioner Jorgensson to adjourn. Second, second by Commissioner Bees. All in >> favor I call the meeting to order. Start with the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. The mayor do the roll call. >> All right. So starting with chain ha >> um Commissioner Jorgensson >> here >> Commissioner Peril >> here >> Commissioner Bees >> here >> Commissioner Lewis >> here >> Commissioner Carlson >> here >> and planner Nash >> here >> and myself as the leazison everybody's here attendance is taken Mr. Right. Thank you. Now we'll continue on. Item three on the agenda is approve amend the meeting agenda. You have any >> I have one amendment to the agenda. If you'd like to add 6B for candidate selection recommendation second that we have a motion and a second by Commissioner Carlson. Any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll call for a vote. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. Agenda passes. Next item is approved minutes from February 24th, 2026 regular meeting. I'd make a motion to approve the uh minutes from the February meeting. Motion by Commissioner Bees. >> Second by Commissioner Lewis. >> Any further discussion? >> See none. Call for vote. All in favor say I. >> I. Motion passes. And I'll start with item five, public hearing a for paradise interim use permit. So I'll have the planner present. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. So the proposal, this proposal tonight is for an interim use per permit for cannabis cultivation at 1 19420 Rhinestone Street Northwest. Matt, Rihanna, and Curtis have submitted this application for their property. They are proposing that they would have a micro business license with the state with a cannabis um cultivation endorsement on that. And as part of that, they would do cannabis cultivation only on the site. There would not be any processing, manufacturing, um retail sales or anything beyond cannabis cultivation on the site. If you look at your screen, um, what they're proposing is about a 7,000 square foot area that would be outdoor cultivation. It's this area. Can't really see my mouse, but it's the, um, kind of diamond shaped box in red in the middle of their property. Um, it meets all of the setbacks from everything that it needs to meet setbacks from. for that. They would there is also an adjacent existing um accessory building that they would be storing some of the harvested product in. There would be testing of the product that they're required they would be required by the state to do inside of that building. Um I'll give them an opportunity to speak more about all their processes in just a few minutes after I give you the brief overview. Um they wouldn't have any employees other than themselves. the um the the use and the building um does need to be verified still that it meets building code and fire code. So that would be one item that will need to occur. Um and then details on the operation were included in your packet and your packet included a number of items as the site layout, cultivation plan, um their site security and operations plan, the quality assurance standards, the storage and diversion prevention plan and their accounting impact compliance SOPs were in there. Um, with that brief introduction, I'd like to turn it over to Paradises and um, allow them an opportunity because they know what they're proposing um, obviously much better than I do and they can um, answer your questions, give a a presentation on exactly what they're hoping to do on the site. >> Mr. Chair, can you open the public hearing and I'll move the motion? Just make sure you open here. >> First, we'll let the developer present. >> Um, just a minor correction. We we don't do the testing. That's like an endorsement of lab that we would have to send off state uh required amount to get it tested, right? So, we harvest, store, and then we sell to dispensaries and processors. So, we're the or we're the farm could grow the crop. It's it's exactly like most other crops. It needs to be dried, hung, and dried. Um we have a short growing season, so it'll only be in the summer. We're doing outdoor. We're not doing indoor cultivation, which is usually year round. Um, if you look at the packet of information, you'll see that the state requirements are quite quite rigorous. Um, and we're still pending um the state's inspection. So, we've got a a a commercial security company coming in and they have to do all the connecting of all the equipment that we have installed and inspect it and we have to follow their recommendations. And one of the more interesting kind of uh pieces of the security is the state requirements is every 90 days the system has to be inspected again. Um year round 90 every 90 days you have to pay to have it inspected to make sure it meets code. So that's very rigorous. There are cameras everywhere including in the field inside the we've got a 24 by 40 foot building that was already existing. Um essentially we're just storing farm implement fertilizer, dirt, tools and then secured uh storage cabinet and then the whole now that we have uh fiber internet uh the whole network is inside of that building. It has a keypad that has an electronic lock. I mean the security protocol is is pretty pretty big for harming operation in my opinion. So, um but yeah, uh you have all of the information and we still have to pass the state's level of rigor on this, but um everything that you have is what the state has and we've been in contact with them. They are reviewing our documents right now. They've asked us for a couple of pieces of information that is um just normal for any other business, nothing. So, we're waiting for them to finish the review. That's where we're at. I think anyone have questions for that on the commission. We'll uh we'll open the public hearing now and there'll be time for anyone from the public to comment. If you want to comment on this, please state your name and address at the podium and uh My name is Paul Helica. I live on 1992 Birwood Lane over here at Twin Lake. Um I've been farming for the 40 years and now then been around the community quite a bit. Seen a lot of change. I I think it's a very good community to live in. Very welcoming. Um, but to me, I got some questions and I don't I don't want to not welcome people, but I do have questions concerning this operation. Uh, and and and I struggle with it as first off is is to what's going to be a limiting factor is this are we going to have one one operation in now? Is it going to be an open door? We open the door up to to more of it. Um, I personally don't like marijuana use. I that's where I'm at. and just being being open about it and and so I struggle with it and uh you know we can go on and on about the about the pros and cons of of the use of the drug but uh to me I I I wonder where where we're at for from down the road is are we going to see these mom and pop operations popping up all over the place or it's going to be limited to just a few where where we at and uh that's my concern and uh I mean I'm old school farmer I mean cattle, you know, and uh been doing it for many years and and we we want to welcome people. I I I want to be transparent. I feel this is where I'm at. I want to share that tonight. So, thank you all. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other comments? Name and address. John Wright, 1931 Lstone Street. I I kind of oppose this operation because I've converted with like Egan construction that makes some of these projects happen and telling me that even with a uh with the misting and and the exhaust fans, even with a scrubber that you'll still have excessive amount of smell and I don't think that would do my proper that's about comments. I I just um 19047 now Boulevard and I uh I had questions about security which you answered a lot of them with your cameras and everything. Your your crop is very valuable. It doesn't need a lot of heavy duty equipment for harvesting and that would be very probable and easy. I'm concerned about not you as people. I know you're wonderful people, but the type of people who it would draw to steal. So when you apply for these licenses, your permits, do you go on a state list as a cannibal? cannabis, not cannibal, cannabis grower. And does that cannabis then permit do people can anybody go online and see the name and addresses of growers and then potentially infiltrate we'll use that word the area and decide whether or not they would want to try and steal some and what kind of an impact would they have then on the rest of the people that live in the area with having a disreputable group trying to uh spy on you or or steal from you. But I I didn't know you would have to have all these cameras. That is >> I mean that's that's reassuring. And then my second question which probably hasn't been answered is with regard to um weed control, what type of sprays and different things you would use. you know, some pesticides or weed control travels for a long ways and um probably because it's made for human use, most likely it's not really a concern. >> Maybe you can answer that. >> It's a very small patch. I mean, it's basically a large garden and we're going to be as organic as possible. A lot of money. This is very similar to gardening. There's a six foot um wall around this because we have to six foot pick fence fence >> as per the requirement around all 7,000 square feet of the cultivation. >> Um 300 I think these are >> top. >> Okay. So, do you know if your name comes on a public list then as growers? So I would say because of >> you know >> how do you get this there's some public information but for the office of cannabis management for the state of Minnesota that regulates all this the license holders can see each other but it's not a publicly available list >> well that that's all I question about comments is my concern for security for yourselves as well as for the neighbor neighborhood. >> Yeah. And we have to we have security gates as well. So gate at the front of the property, a gates to to the field. There's no admittance for anybody in this area except for us two. We're the only two employees. So nobody and it's signed all over 247 monitoring, authorized access only. These are all part of the require it's in your packet. These are all part of the requirements. >> Well, thank you. Um please respond to next time. So, we'll go to the next person and give you a chance to respond after. >> Hi, I'm just I believe in front. I'm on biking 7560 and I did get a notice from Anoka. The city of Anoka is doing a dispensary. I'm going to be selling a product to them and they said that they wanted their sort of medical as far as their medicines. Yeah. Do you figure yours for that? We have to get a separate sorry we'd have to get a separate endorsement for medical although yes no we don't currently for adults that's all the questions I have any further comments from the Where's that going to be located? Where >> Mr. Chair, I made up the the address. It's 1 19420 Rinstone Street. >> I give you better idea. He is my neighbor across the culdeac. So for you >> here. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're over there. So it would be through the stand of trees all the way where you know where the brown building is. >> It's right it's >> right >> Yeah. It's right in front of it by your home. >> No, it's it's 5600 yards south of our house. >> Yeah. >> Home. >> No, it's not it's not even you couldn't see it. No, it's not near any road. Do you understand it's the rectangle there? Yeah, >> the red rectangle. >> Yeah, there you go. There's a pasture. >> The pasture, the wetland, the woods, and then that round shed from from your van. So, >> so it's behind where your horses are. >> No, no. Well, in the front field that Yeah, that's front field. Yeah, it's behind that which is the wetland and then the woods and then the brown shed in the field. Yes. Mr. Chair, I guess um >> so uh my understanding and to kind of address the smell because that does seem to be a recurring thing. My understanding is it's it's worse during flowering typically 100 ft to 200 ft is where you get the strongest odor. Um, I mean, are there anything beyond that that you're aware of or in your research, I guess? >> No, I mean, >> there's not much you can do with it. You're outdoors. >> Yeah, we're outdoors. But, um, so you're allowed to grow eight up to eight non-flowing plants right today. So, I grew four test plants out in that field. And if you get 200 yards away, which the culde-sac is 500 yards away, you can't stop. It's just you have to get close. You have to drive through past our barn, our horse barn, past the the pasture, past our house to even begin to start to smell it. So, and I certainly understand it because it is pungent, but it just doesn't travel that far. >> And what is the growing season? You mentioned you basically have a short. So, it depends on the plants, right? So, there's some plants that mature 60 to 90 days and they're much smaller. Um, but the majority of the plants are um probably a May is your earliest you can get them in the ground and then it's 120 days. So, like a regular grow season, the August set October >> harvest. >> Is that one? So, it's one harvest. >> Yeah. I mean, we're going to look at other plants that might mature within 60 days so that we can, you know, try to recoup some of our investment costs. Um, and there are plants that only take 60 to 70 days to mature for harvest and be ready. But, um, we'll stagger. >> Probably won't have all 300 in one. We'll stagger it to try to >> get harvest, multiple harvests. But, yeah, it will only be a spring, summer, fall activity, right? not going to do indoor grilling or pickup or anything like that. >> Any other questions? >> Mr. Chair, can I can I ask Miss Nash? Is that okay? >> Yes, >> Miss Nash. Um, the question from the audience was how many how many things have been approved in now? I believe we've only had one. Is that correct? >> No, we haven't had any. This is our first application >> that actually approved. >> Yes. Um you might be recalling that they had um applied earlier for an ordinance amendment to request to allow campus cultivation as an use. >> So this is the first one. All right. So to answer your question, sir, this is the first one. And and do you want to kind of review if I remember right, we changed the ordinance from only in the commercial area to include rural residential but only on properties exceeding 10 acres. Is that correct? >> I'm trying to remember. >> Trying to pull the board up for you, but um >> is it 20? which commissioner can find it the quickest >> and if I understand correctly from the state of Minnesota >> the micro license is a halfacre max right >> Mr. Chair >> yes >> uh there was some discussion about the state only issuing So many as well through the county. >> Okay. So there was a restriction on how many were to the state. >> Okay. So >> I don't see a limit on the number though in our ordinance. No, >> there's not a limit on the number of plants. Um, it is limited to only being permitted on properties that have at least 20 acres of land. Um, they have to have the appropriate license or endorsement from the state. The cultivation needs to be not less than 500 ft from any property line. um located a minimum of 1,000 feet from any school, um 500 feet from a daycare, 500 ft from any attraction in a public park. Um and then as part of it they have to for anybody that is approved they would need to be um they would need to uh all of their plans and documents that's that's associated with their permit with the state would be incorporated into the interim use permit. And so they would, if they were to violate any of those plans or conditions, irregardless of whether the state was taking any action on it, the city could choose to take action and revoke the interuse permit if needed. >> Did it say you said 500 ft from the property? >> Um, it did say that. Yes. This seems to be violating that 300 school. >> No, >> I think the property line was to keep the smell from going to the neighbors. >> I might have grabbed an old version of the like an original child. >> It's actually 200 ft from any property line, >> 500 ft from an offsite residence. >> So, we don't have the enough of the map for the neighbors. propert. >> Well, it says 500 ft from the residence. >> Oh, there's nobody close enough. >> Yeah, there's page 18. You have Any other comments from the public? Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing at 7:25. The planning and zoning commission will discuss this application for any discussion. We go through the findings or recommendations. >> I'll make a motion. going to review the recommendations from the other address some concerns that were brought up in the public hearing. >> So I can go through those recommendations for you. So the draft findings would recommend approval of the interim use permit with a number of conditions. Um the first is that it needs to be in substantial compliance with the application plans that are on file with the city. If there's any conditions in the IEP that conflict with the plans or application, then the conditions would be enforced instead of some maybe older version of something that's in the plans. Um and it lists the plans that are included as a separate paragraph and line item. that it also lists a number of documents that are are or would be approved by the Office of Cannabis Management of the State and incorporates those by reference as well. The reason they're listed separately is because that's another governmental agency and not the city having control over what those documents say. So, it's as maybe modified by the state OCM from time to time. Um, cannabis cultivation would be the sole approved cannabis related use and shall only be operated in accordance with the approved plans. The approved operation would be non- retail with no on-site sales, consumption, or public access. No extraction, production, or retail endorsements have been issued by the OCM. even if they were granted by the OCM, Office of Cannabis Management in the future, these activities may not be commenced or undertaken under this interim use permit. Um, currently your ordinance would not allow for any other activities in that zoning district. Um, but in the event in the future that it for some reason would allow other cannabis related activities, if you did an ordinance amendment, they would still need to come back for an amendment to the IEP to to do those. Um, they have to have their I skipped ahead. Number six is that the approved total outdoor cultivation area shall not exceed 7,000 square feet that's in a fenced and secured area as shown on the site layout. All cultivation shall occur not less than 200 ft from any property line and not less than 500 ft from an offsite residence. Um they're also permitted to use the existing brown shed um that's on the property as as part of that operation. They need to hold their um their licenses with the state. They need to maintain compliance with their state license at all times prior to the start of operations. The proposed plans and buildings must be approved by the building official and the fire chief as related to building code and fire code. No employees other than the property owner shall be on site. All interim use permits, this isn't specific to this, and even though it doesn't have a specific wastewater issu um usage with this type of use, they do need to provide a certificate of compliance for their ISTS system because that's a ordinance requirement in general for all IPs. Um and then from there on out the conditions are generally um standard conditions that we include in our PS in general that you need to comply with all federal, state and local laws. Um no liquid gaseous and solid waste resulting maybe discharge in the soil water and air. Um all interim use permits have expiration dates and triggers. So the ones proposed for this is that the interim use permit shall expire on April 14th, 2031. So that would be a 5-year IUP from the date of the theoretical, you know, if the council approved it on at their next meeting. They can apply for a new IUP prior to the expiration of that permit, provided that it's still an eligible use of the zoning ordinance. Um, the IP can expire upon the violation of any conditions, upon the lapse or termination of the OCM permit if they were to no longer live on the property or if they sell the property. Um, and living on the property is a requirement um, under the ordinance of yours for obtaining this type of an IEP. If they discontinue the operation for a period of one year, then it would expire. And if for some reason it's approved by the council but then not put into use, it would also expire after a certain amount of time if somebody didn't start up the business. >> With that, I'm happy to answer any questions you have about the draft conditions. >> Yes. So I So I wondering if we can address the odor if that becomes a problem. There's no condition on that. way to add a condition to the motor going to the neighbors. That'sensive, >> Mr. Chair. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I I I have a similar concern. I mean, I feel like anyone that moves next to a farm and then complains about the odor is has no leg to stand on, but in this case, it's the other way around. Um, but I don't know how we would I don't know how we would be able to enforce that. Um, that that's my challenge is is it a single complaint? Is it multiple complaints? Do you have to go out there, send someone out there to, you know, are there is there equipment to determine what is offensive, what is not? And I don't know how that how that can be handled. >> U Mr. share a question growing it. Um, did you say you grew plants already? >> Yeah. >> Was anyone aware of any smell? >> I don't think they knew I knew it. >> Exactly. >> That's a lot less plants. >> Yeah, but it is. Yeah. I mean, most commercial operations have a a indoor greenhouse with filters. May I make a comment about that? >> Absolutely. >> So, you look at our red square. >> Yeah. >> We're out in the middle. We have 40 acres, right? >> We're not quite in the middle of it. >> It's inside of a 6ft high wooden fence. >> Yep. >> It is surrounded by trees that is surrounded by wetlands. >> Y >> that is surrounded by trees before we get to anybody else's property lines. understood >> in all directions. I also have horses. >> I don't know if you've noticed or not, but it's been kind of wet and it kind of stinks and nobody's complained about that and that reeks far worse than the minor pile just is runchy right now. So, that is a far more offensive smell than the canvas will be at any point. So, and that's not surrounded by trees. >> Yeah, >> understood. And I'm I'm more speaking from a policy standpoint of >> I I understand but it like I feel like we have it pretty well nature's air filtration as best as we possibly can. There's also a building there. >> Yeah. >> To you know suck up some of that as well. So >> thank policy point. So if it's not offensive, it should be not offensive to add a condition on it just in case problem also any future that's similar. >> Yeah, I guess my question is how do you enforce that? I mean >> that was my question. How are you going to enforce that >> and what is your testing based on? How are you going to >> Mr. Chair? Karina ask the question. Nash, did you get this from any other community? Um, and is there any recommendations on this? >> Great question. So, I have not specifically had this about cannabis in any other community, but I have had landfills. I've had um compost like very large composting sites and those types of things. Um, and those uses I can guarantee you are producing odors in those communities. Um, in their cases, the odors are so strong and so pungent that we can go out there if need be and it's obvious that it's occurring and we regularly have conversations with um the landfill owner, etc., etc., when there's methane gas that's leaking out and things like that, and they have to do things to take care of all of that. Um they also based on their types of uses they end up with air performance and stuff too from the state and this does not rise to that level of meeting that air quality. So there isn't we don't have a tool for measuring those odors. It's um >> do we have do we I mean I'm I'm okay with putting a condition on. Is it by number of complaints from number of properties or how what's what's a good way of handling? >> So, Mr. Chair, >> yes. >> So, if staff were to receive complaints about something like that and because I end up in that situation in other communities, um we can't no matter what the complaint whether it's noise or odor or we saw so and so doing such and such. um we do go out there and we have to independently as staff verify those complaints as well. um we can't just, you know, while we of course believe that that's people's experiences, um it's really difficult to enforce things that may come and go, >> right? >> Um think like um like mining trucks leaving a gravel site. Those are, you know, a similarly difficult thing to do any enforcement about because it's associated with a gravel pit, for example. But those are all independent drivers um with their own companies and their own trucks that are leading the site maybe making a lot of noise and racking or whatever they're doing jig bricking. Um there's some things that are just very incredibly difficult to enforce because you can't be there on the spot when it's happening unless you have to be there at that point. Um, so it's really the ones that become such a um problem that we're able to see it. In this case, it would be smell it, I guess, if we were out nearby. Um, and we're called to do some enforcement. Ultimately then the um um the ultimate thing that you could do is I suppose not reissue an IEP after the five years. Um if if something is that problematic. It would have to be really problematic though I think to reach to a point of being able to do code enforcement in the meantime. It it would just be hard to find the evidence. It's my opinion. >> Mr. Chair. >> Yes, Mr. Carl. >> Um I believe when we discussed the ordinance, did you not talk about the setbacks being kind of the most restrictive >> for that reason? >> For that reason. >> Yeah. Um >> so if they're meeting >> and in this case they're exceeding it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But yes, I guess five year thing is five years. That's five years. Our original ordinance was in was in industrial commercial zone only and indoor. So >> I guess on an IP to it can't be transferred to another owner. >> No. And when you read that, you said that could be talking about. >> No, I said it can't be. >> Yeah, it cannot be what come out at that time. Said real careful. >> No, I I said that um it would be a terminating condition if the owner of the business no longer lives there or if they sell the property. >> Okay. and make sure that that's right because the CP I know they can't do nothing with that not issues for that. >> No, this is an interc. >> So, Mr. here. >> Yes. >> I guess unless there's other discussion, I I um understanding that if if there are issues and we have the ability to not reapprove in five years, um I would make the motion to approve with the conditions outlined in the packet. Have a >> motion from Commissioner Bes. Second from Commissioner Per. Any further discussion? Seeing none, call for a vote. All in favor say I. I. opposed. Nay. So it passes. So we'll go on to item 5B estates of varian. Good decision. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, this next item is a variance related to the amount of square footage of accessory structures on what would become one of the lots in Palamino Estates. So, if you look at our screen, This property has um the home is right here and then it has three existing accessory structures. There's a garage, a large barn, and then another existing barn that is noted by the surveyor by the surveyor as being poor condition. They did, as part of the final plat, they updated the lot lines a little bit to make the um this lot have at least 5 acres. So that would make them eligible then to have a maximum of three buildings. So they'd be meeting that requirement, but a total square feet of not more than 6,400 square ft. with the three buildings that they have on the site, they do have about 7,850 square ft um as shown on that survey. The in addition um this existing barn would not meet the setbacks that would be required from from St. Francis Boulevard. You have in the past um about a year ago the city granted a variance for um the Leicos on the Leico East property to allow them to um there's actually a few variances in that case related to number of buildings setbacks from different property lines as well as total square footage of buildings to allow them to keep those um kind of historical farm buildings in place. So this variance um does recommend approval of that subject to several conditions. What those conditions are are is that um for one if the flat for pelamino estates isn't for some reason approved or reported that the variance would be null and void. Um, number two, that those buildings may remain on lot one, lot one for the purpose of continued use until any of the following occurrence of any of the following events. That they may be maintained but not replaced or expanded. At such time as any building's been removed for any reason, no building may be constructed in its place unless that building is constructed in compliance with the zoning ordinance. So if if they chose to tear down a building, they can't tear it down and replace it with a new one. It's allowing these to remain here. And that they would need to enter into a deed restriction restricting that so that people who buy this property know that um that this is a variance that's allowed would be allowed for the amount of time that those buildings have a useful life basically and can be maintained in that. And the developer is here this evening. If you have any questions like comments, >> I would actually uh thanks for the time this evening. Council Cindy, I was just over there and I just thought of one thing that I wish I'd have thought of before and asked you not here at the at this meeting previously. you know, because that garage serves as the primary garage for that residence. I'm just wondering if that even falls under the definition of an accessory building. >> It does. >> Okay. >> But great question. >> I have no further question, >> but yeah, I appreciate appreciate you guys considering the matter. I think we've gone over uh most of the details and my main goal is to just leave everything primarily how it is. Any questions from the commission? M >> M Mr. Chair, could I ask a question? Sir, one of the buildings um we were just looking at here, it just said poor condition. I don't know what that means. Uh it said existing barn, it's a 1166t. It says poor condition. I I think you had addressed it last time that you likely structures are in pretty good condition. Is that one in rough condition? I don't know. Yeah, I would >> who describes it as poor. So, >> yeah. And I think that's a little bit of a term that's hard to exactly nail down versus the, you know, the survey guy versus me versus you, but >> I'm looking for your opinion. >> Yeah. I would say that it is in need of some repair. Certainly. >> Uh it's I think it may have been more of like a corn crib type building. Actually, it does have a roof on it. Um the top of the siding like the top two/3 does exist. It is in rough condition. in the bottom approximately one/ird of that wall paneling has been removed or rotted. >> So is it a sound structure? >> It is because it is a uh pole built structure. Those poles seem to be in fantastic condition and I do believe that if uh if the conditions of this variance are to be able to maintain these buildings then I think a certain amount of maintenance would be in order for that building. >> Well, thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay, we'll open the public hearing at 7:47. Anyone from the public has a comment, please uh leave your or give us your name and address. >> Kelly Oscar Tag 20836 St. Francis Boulevard. And um we've been living next to that farm and its buildings for 26 years. and they do have historic value. So I would be I would not object to seeing the buildings remain. My my thought was also on soundness of the buildings. Um so keeping them maintained would be definitely um needing my approval. Um, but yeah, that's the only thing that I had was I I don't object to the buildings and it would be good to keep them sound. Anyway, thank you. Any other comments from the public? Terrence Curtis thrifting 349 Birdie Valley Road. The back of my property lines up to the edge of his back of his property. And I would like to know how many lots you're going to divide this into. >> I mean, >> four total of four lots. >> Four. Is there a picture of the lot layout where the houses are going to go or anything? We didn't get anything like that. So, that was at the last meeting. All we have is the layout of the lots. We don't have a location of any houses yet. >> Could I get a copy of that? >> I've got one right here. I could probably I could probably give you. >> So, I just don't think we have any in our packets because this was last month's conversation. We have the final. >> Thank you. under our new business. We'll discuss the final class. Do you have any other thoughts from the public on the commission have a comment question? >> Mr. Chair, >> yes. I guess I I just I do appreciate the fact that they adjusted the bottom line to get to the 5 acre uh minimum to kind of you know show some flexibility and um work to try and keep these buildings. So yeah, I would be in favor of this. >> Anyone from the public have a comment? Seeing no more, we'll close the public hearing at 7:50. I will act upon it. >> So, I will make a motion for the recommendation to approve the variance. >> I'll second that. >> We have a motion from Commissioner Reese to approve it as written and second from Commissioner Carlson. Any further discussion? I would agree with Commissioner Bees. It's nice to see they uh increased that lot to 5 acres. So, it was meeting the next threshold of building, which is pretty close now in size to what the square footage is. The ordinance says 6,400 square ft and we're at 7850 square ft. So not that much off in this since these are all farm buildings and they preserve the historic value of the area like a acceptable variance. Any other comments? See none for vote. All in favor say I. >> Any oppose say nay. Motion passes. is approved and it'll pass on to the council next month's meeting. Chief, thank you. >> Absolutely. Thank you. >> Now we'll go to item six, new business, state a state's final theor. >> Thank you. So, um you looked at the preliminary plat last month. Um the preliminary plat as we discussed is the developer of their bucket of rights and this is the final plat. Um this was a pretty simple one. So there's not very many changes from what the preliminary plat showed. Um like we already discussed lot one. Um they adjusted this lot line between lot one and three to give a little bit more room to lot one to make that five acres. But we still have three new locks all fronting or coming off of with driveways off of 210th Lane Northwest. And um we are still in winter conditions for some items. If you recall from the last meeting, there were some things that we had not been able yet to um review. So we're bringing this to you asking that these again be reviewed with these conditions that they um still need to meet those. So the first is that um the technical evaluation panel has not yet been able to review the wetland boundary. That is going to occur relatively soon. Um they will have to do wetland buffer monumentation and there'll have to be drainage and utility easements around that. If this goes to council and still hasn't been done, we'll probably still be putting this on the agenda with the same request and then basically asking that um we would hold back the platform from being reported until that's done because they might need to adjust um where those drainage and flood easement lines are. So that but that's something that's you know just a very technical review and it'll just depend on what we don't expect them to vary dramatically. Um we do still need to be able to verify that there's two available septic sites for each lot. um they're showing them in these um kind of gray boxes on plants, but those do need to be verified by our building official yet to make sure that they are acceptable. We are also still waiting to see if MDOT provides any comments on the plans um because they're adjacent to Highway 47, we had to submit it to MIDOT for their review and comment. So basically asking and we still have a few minor staff comments in the comment letters from both myself and the city engineer. Um nothing in those with the exception of these kind of things that we haven't been able to review yet or anything that would change any of the plot lines or anything. So we are recommending approval subject to the conditions in the resolution. >> Happy to answer any questions that you have. >> Yes. Thank you. So, uh, we're waiting for approval from the state, but it looks like none of the axises on 47 are changing on this proposal. >> No. So, would it really, you know, if the state came back with anything, it would be that maybe they want more right away dedicated for Highway 47. Um, since we're not dealing with any accesses. >> Okay. What's the current rideway? Is it 66? No, I think it's wider than that. Yeah, I don't have that handy, but um >> um don't I don't really expect that to >> occur. What's here? 33. >> That's a very old room. used to be 56 guys old enough that >> is this new for this property for the >> the highway eastment. Um, so there would be a prescriptive easement that exists because the roads there. So this would be formalizing the area for the highway with the formal dedication. >> The odds are there won't be too much money put into that because it comes under the Golden Valley office. Understand that's not a very well used road for traffic volume that's north of St. branches the road is real good that's under the brain office that's going to change that makes a difference money no questions so the current conditions are contingent upon the the pending things out with the Department of Transportation and the the soil boards for >> correct. We expect most of this to be wrapped up before post city council, but it's all a lot of it's dependent. >> That's all in the conditions. So, if you approve this, it's all covered. >> Correct. It's all in there. I'll make a motion to approve this final as written with the conditions. >> I'll make I'll second that. >> A second from Commissioner Perrell. Motion by Commissioner. Any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll call for a vote. All in favor say I. I. >> Oppos. None opposed. So motion passes. Your go to the council for the next few. >> Fantastic. Thank you, council. >> Okay. I'll go on to item 6B that we added at candidate selection. Open the floor for commission. >> Mr. Chair, >> yes. >> Could I give just a quick recommendation? um maybe talk about uh some of the things that you liked about a candidate as you go around the room as you're trying to understand what what we think is the best candidate something to that effect. >> Great. >> Could be very helpful to get you started. >> And Mr. Chair, >> just clarification again. We're making a recommendation from PL zoning. This is of council. So, we decide on the uh then I recommend you decide. >> Well, guess I can throw a few games if someone lets me. Um I was Yeah, I know you probably more than happy to let me talk so you don't have to. I did. Um I would like to recommend We've got uh Michael, Jeff, and Calie. I have reasons for all me. Um, but that's where I'm at with my recommendations for I don't know how many are right now. My brain's little fuzzy. But those are my three from the five. >> But my lost, >> Mr. Chair, this uh Commissioner. Yeah, I guess I I would just say I I I feel like all five candidates um I I like the fact that they want to be involved in the city and help shape the future and I saw qualities and all that that would would fit. But um you know withology here I guess um I'm yeah I I would uh I would concur with on those three candidates as as narrowing down to those three Thank you, Commissioner Be. >> There's a all good candidates and it's nice to see everyone's interested in we had so much interest this time in joining the commission. It's not I don't think you've had this many for one position before. Actually, >> when I was hired, there was like eight or >> nope for two positions. There's two openings. >> So, even if we don't make it today, they can reapply in the future. So yes, I agree with the experience that Jeff has in the city. Seems like a valable valuable contribution to the commission. Also, Michael had a lot of experience related to that commission, >> Mr. Chair. >> Yes, >> I agree that uh Jeff has a lot of experience. That would be a good thing. And and it seemed like Alli has some previous experience too and coming in from another county. So I think that's a good good candidate as well. Shall we recommend them in a hierarchy of one, two, three? because I did not state them in any specific order. I just threw up >> is that recommendation that we could do to the council means >> the one you recommend and then maybe an alternate if that's the case. We would only need two primary >> recommendations assign 321. >> Yeah. >> And maybe we can get Commissioner Lewis and Commissioner Jorgensson to their recommendations first. >> Mr. Chair, I would uh recommend Jeff as member one and two. Commissioner Jorgensson, you have >> I think I would go with Jeff, but there's a whole lot of experience there that it's going to take somebody else a couple years to get up to speed where you be at. >> You have the second one or >> No, all right. Thank you. Okay. And then the ones I've already recommended, you want to give your orders. >> I would go uh with Jeff as my number one. And then I'll put Kelly as the number two. >> Okay. I'll also go with Jeff as number one and Michael as number two. >> I was going to concur with Mr. with Jeff and >> I'm just going to go with Jeff. >> We can check three or actually four in the first place. So that's our recommendation. Michael had three second and Kelly had two seconds. It looks like our top two choices to council are Jeff and Mike with Jeff being the number one. >> So that be your recommendation. >> Yes, that is >> recommendation. Make a motion for that. >> Please make a motion. Yes, I have a motion. Okay, >> I'll make a motion that we recommend Jeff and Michael Williams >> to uh for the positions open here in the commission. >> Okay. The motion is to recommend Jeff as first choice and Michael Hoy as second choice by Commissioner Per. You got a second. >> Second. >> Second by Commissioner Bees. Any further discussion? Seeing none, call for a vote. All in favor say I. I. >> Oppos. Motion passes announcing that is the end of our agenda. Do we have anything on the upcoming meeting? >> We do. >> We will have a conditional use permit for firemen on the next agenda. >> Are we addressing this tonight too? Anybody know? Yes, we have this. Is this supposed to be >> just the updated? >> It's just update, but I don't know what it is. Okay. I wasn't anything. So, I was asking >> the signature page. >> Yes. >> Well, we can do it when there's a new commissioner. Mr. >> Chair, I think we have a motion that we >> motion by Commissioner Carlson, second by Commissioner.