test and they he passed and he went and jumped on his Harley and took off. [laughter] >> Did the figure eight and your feet touch the ground? That's another one too. If you drop your foot, you have your endorsement. You >> ride. >> Your bike is probably much bigger than mine. >> Oh, is it? The guy bought it from his daughter Honda Ninja. >> Call to order the meeting on Monday, July 6, 2026 at 6 pm. Please rise for the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call, please. Jenny, >> Mayor Vogel, >> here. >> Council members Mau >> here. >> Bonis here. Advig >> here. >> Robinson >> here. On to approval of tonight's agenda. Do I have a motion to approve tonight's agenda? >> I'll make that motion, Mr. Mayor. >> Motion by Councilman Odbig. Do I have a second? >> Second, Mayor. >> Second by Councilman Robinson. Uh, roll call vote, please. >> Mayor Bogle, >> I. >> Council members, >> I. Vaness. >> Robinson. >> I. >> Melbour. >> On to our consent agenda. Do I have a motion to accept tonight's uh consent agenda? >> I'll make that motion, mayor. >> Motion by Councilman Robinson. Do I have a second? Joles. >> I'll second. >> Second. Any discussion items? Anybody want to pull any of these or discuss any of these? >> Seeing none, I just like to real quickly call out the police department item E donation. Uh thank you to our vet St. Francis Vet Clinic for the generous donation towards our K9 program. There have been several lots of very generous donations for that K9 program and this is just another one of them. I just wanted to call out the St. Francis Vet for their recent donation. So with that uh roll call vote please Jenny. >> Mayor Vogle >> I. >> Council members Robinson I >> Vanis Ibower >> I. >> On to meeting open to the public. Anybody wishing to speak just please come forward state your name and if you're a resident of St. Francis Mike Paul from St. Francis. Um, got a question. What's going on with the property behind uh Subway there? What's the the endgame here? Uh, because LA last after the apartments thing went then we heard about town homes and I'm just thinking that they're waiting for the uh change of uh see if they can change the council to get the apartment in there. >> Think that's the case, but it's in the process. I I don't know. Kate, do you want to address that? >> Yeah, mayor and council. So, the EDA has closed on the property with the developer. At this time, there are no construction plans that have been introduced or concept plans for that property. So, we're holding on forever on the $5,000 for the six acres um until they get what they're looking for because I'm just curious because uh when I bring up uh anything on there, um I'm told that my water bill only went up $10 to deal with it, that that they're glad that I can handle it, but what about the ones that can't? And it keeps being brought up and I just keep getting frustrated because you look at Vista, they charge uh they don't have to pay for um any of our levies or uh any of that stuff. Water waste wa waste water. So, and the average person over there is over 65 and that's what would use our EMS. So, we keep being told that it doesn't cost us anything to return their city taxes, but there is real money. And if it was the case, then why are we all paying city taxes if it doesn't make a difference? Why don't we all get a return? And um when we're giving them that discount, just so everybody knows, I mean, the president of the EDA says that he likes uh home uh what is that? HOAs or section 8. Well, I'll give you an example of what happens when you I just had to put my uh stepdad in a home. $15,000 a month. So, if you don't own a house, you can't get in there. And he was from St. Francis because St. Francis EMS kicked my door in to save his life. They want $5,000 to $15,000 a month. So, if you don't own a house, you can't get in there. So, to And so, they get all that benefit. They get the tax breaks, they get all that. They don't have to pay on any of the levies or any of the um any of that stuff. And then we keep being told that their their money doesn't matter, that it doesn't cost us anything. We're just returning it. Um and the reason I'm getting so upset is I talked to her last time about uh getting a a ticket for parking on my grass right after Tina applied to be on the city council. And I was told, "Oh, that was bad luck just happened." Well, then St. Francis gave a hold my beer statement here because a day after that meeting, they go after my neighbor for parking on her driveway. She parked on her driveway that is gravel that had some grass. Her son moved in to help with them because her husband's on hospice dying. Instead of anybody offering help or say, "Hey, what's going on?" They issue people citations that they're doing the best they can. They've got beautiful flowers in their yard. They I mean it's a nice yard. Their driveway had some green on it. And any person that with common sense that looked down that driveway would have known that. And I had to bring the picture of it. And then I was told, well, from that view, it looks different. It was the same view. It's the front of the driveway looking towards the back towards the garage. So with the EDA, I mentioned something with the EDA. So then they go and they write six tickets up down the ghetto of ambassador because this president of the EDA and the rest of the EDA seems to think that our neighbors ghetto. Sorry we can't all afford to live behind the golf course. But we shouldn't have to be in fear of our tires touching the grass and we getting a ticket. Now I got a question. Is it still just the one person writing the tickets or taking the pictures or they somebody else doing it? No. Because I was told it was somebody else. Yeah. of the the Yep. Yep. >> Okay. Because I sold it with somebody else. I didn't know who was going there. I can check my camera. That's easy enough. But when you're She is afraid, a woman that's taking care of her dying husband or boyfriend is afraid that she doesn't mow her lawn or grass fast enough, you guys are going to issue a citation. Is that what rural Minnesota's turned into? I mean, how sad is that? I mean, would any of you guys want to live like that when your spouse is dying? And and to say that they don't know, you met her last week, so you know, I mean, she's here again. It's third time she's been here. Why should she get beat up and made to feel that way? Especially just cuz I mentioned something about the EDA. I mean, you guys, it it's weaponized because I drove through all of St. Francis. And it's amazing how many houses have campers and trailers and stuff on the grass. Why is my neighborhood the ghetto? >> Because I'm from Chicago, so the the whole neighborhood's got to be a ghetto. >> Ghetto. >> You did. I've got it on tape. They won't let me play. >> Uh, Mike, you just got to address the council. >> But but I mean, that's the problem. I mean, it was that it's the ghetto and he didn't move here to live like that. Well, then move to an HOA. I mean, rural Minnesota shouldn't be that anal where I lived in Monaceel for years and I didn't if you moved a car every three days, they didn't care. And we're told, uh, Joe said he didn't want to make this into Maple Grove, that's Maple Grove stuff. We shouldn't be afraid to be parking in there. Yes. I I think that, uh, when he puts on there about fishing and kids, I love that. But the tradition in my family was working on old cars. So, I work on my old car with my dad in my driveway and I'm I'm going to ask for it or I'm a ghetto guy. I mean, this just has got to stop. I mean, it it just every time I mention the EDA, something happens over there. I mean, because I had that we had this discussion, then they mowed in the backyard, and then that same day they go and write tickets all the way down the ghetto of Ambassador. And yes, I'm very frustrated and angry with that. One of the best pictures I got this week was taking a picture of my dad work underneath the hood of my old car because we've done that since I was 5 years old. Why is one hobby and kid good and the other is bad? My car wasn't there for more than a week and I can't work on my freaking car in my driveway. What are we where are we going with this? How could I mean I don't care if somebody called or not. That car I got it the beginning of October of last year. I put a motor in it. My engine uh cherry picker broke. I waited till the next weekend to put it in there. That car was at my house. I found a motor, installed it in my garage within a month. So, it couldn't have been there more than seven days on the jack stands. So, why am I getting harassed for working in my own driveway? Is the EDA that sensitive? I mean, I know they just want to make everything HOAs and uh section 8, but I don't think this is the neighborhood for it. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe if that's where it's going then then I'll have to move because that's not what I wanted because I didn't get treated like this in the ghettos in Chicago. Thank you. Thanks, Mike. Just for a real quick clarification, I I know we continue to work. I continue the dialogue. I I know it's not a perfect I know it's not a perfect system. I I know that. But we do have to have some sort of zoning system in place. But I I I know I appreciate >> if if I've got old mattresses and uh garbage bags stacked up in my backyard, come get me. But when I'm working on my car for a week, I mean, I don't care who's offended for the week. I don't like flowers, but I don't yell at my neighbor for growing them. I took them out of my yard. I mean, if that's what she likes, God bless her. But I'm not leaving garbage everywhere. Every car I've got's licensed, insured, and drivable except for two. And they're in my garage, and none of you have seen them. So, the ones that you see, and are all [clears throat] drivable. Every one of them. I'll show you my license and insurance on every one of them. I understand that you got to have code for some things. But you know what? I I got a picture of across the street from my neighbor's house. It's a threequarter of a million dollar house. He's got his fifth wheel sitting on his grass. Is that the ghetto, too? I mean, so if it's if it's bad, talk to people. If you're afraid to go up there, call them. But I mentioned the EDA, so they go and run down six up six houses up ambassador. And especially when you penalize a woman for taking care of her dying husband. That bothers me. That doesn't fit under code. Go look at her house. It's beautiful. I mean, mine's nowhere near as nice as hers. I'll admit that. But she's getting uh harassed because she came with me to a city hall meeting. That's what bothers me. She doesn't have an ounce of garbage in her house. Her son her son-in-law comes and mows the grass every week. I mean, it's a beautiful home. They got her for parking on her driveway. I know that the EDA doesn't like gravel driveways. I've got that in the video, too. But that's what she has. And when you have that, you unless you're driving on it, green stuff comes up unless you sit there and put weed killer on it. I mean, does she have to put in a $10,000 driveway just to make the EDA happy? I mean, or should she be taking care of her husband that's dying? I mean, just let us know what you want because I'll go help them anytime they need it. And I have and I will continue to do that because that's what neighborly do. That's what communities used to do. The ghettos of Chicago would never let their elderly neighbors go without help. And I help every chance I got. So, that's my problem. I know there has to be codes about garbage and stuff like that. I mean, there was a lady put on Facebook today. She was mad because people are putting stuff at the end of their driveway. I think that's kind of penny, but you listen to both them arguments. People don't want garbage in their yard. People are trying to get rid of stuff and it costs a lot to dump it. So, I get why it takes time. I understand that argument, but that's not what I'm saying. I shouldn't fear where I park. My neighbor shouldn't fear that she can't cut her grass fast enough. She's doing the best she can. She's got a beautiful yard. Every one of you should go look at it. Her flowers are amazing. It's all perfect. I don't like that stuff she does, but it's gorgeous for what she is doing. She knows I work on my car. My other neighbor knows I work on my car. Why is it such a bad thing for this? Why are we the ghetto because of that? There's some very nice homes on Ambassador. I think the city has heard apology and everybody on Ambassador for that. I mean, that is just crap to call that whole neighborhood a ghetto. And you heard part of the video. They don't want me to release it all here. I'll just put it on Facebook and let everybody hear it cuz that's what was said. And if you attack me and you attack my family or family and my friends, yeah, I'm going to come back up here and I will discuss it. I mean, yes, I understand it wasn't you, but the city has got to do something. And I was up here last week, our last meeting, and then I get blasted the next day. Wasn't my house, but they got my neighbors because she sat there with me. And I think that's embarrassing for the city. I think every one of the people up here deserve that woman apology. Thanks, Mike. >> Well, Tina, >> hi Tina Carol. I am a citizen of St. Francis. Um, speaking of citations, continuing on that, um, first, thank you all for what you do because I know it's not an easy job. So, uh, thank you for everything that you guys do. Um, but on citations, we know it's not a perfect system that it needs to be fixed. And I do have some thoughts and ideas that I think should be looked at because just having somebody make a phone call and leave a voicemail there, that's not to me a good record of what's going on. There should be some kind of a form that says, "Okay, what exactly are they complaining about? What code are they complaining about?" If you don't know the code number, that's fine. You know, I understand that. But there should be some type of a record, whether it be submitted online or you have a paper copy here that somebody can pick up and fill out and turn into somebody. So that way there are actual records. However, okay, that is a moment in time when something happens, you see something. So instead of actually just issuing somebody a citation of $100 for the first one and up into the thousands, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. Like Mike was saying, we need to work as a community. We are a small community, which honestly every person that I am talking to as I am out campaigning wants it to stay a small town, a small community. Why not pick up the phone and say, "Hey, you know what? We got a complaint about you." And I know it's going to take more time, but find out what's going on. Maybe they're having medical issues. Maybe there's something going on and they need help. So, why not actually pick up the phone and talk to our community members once in a while and find out what's going on in their life if there is an issue? And not only that, I do have a question. Um, once that citation is written, how long does it actually stay on your file before you get Okay, say we parked on our lawn last fall. Okay, he parked on the lawn again this spring, that's when we got charged $100. So, okay, if next year, next spring, we park on the lawn again, does that go up to the $200? How long does that do you get penalized for that? It should come off your record after so long. >> So, it's one year. >> Okay. There's nothing that I could find on any paperwork. >> It is in chapter 2 of administrative. >> But I'm saying on the citation that you're getting, nowhere does it say it on there that I could find. So, if I'm not able to find it and you can show me where it is, I'd appreciate it. But, there should be some kind of a documentation. and $100 and up to the thousands is ridiculous for and I don't know who made those fines because to me that is astronomical and I don't know what you guys think about actually making changes to the code because picking up that phone and talking to your community member might be a good thing build more community you know in inviting people you know I here. Well, we don't get people coming to the meetings. Well, when you're doing stuff like that, why would anybody want to come up here anyway? I mean, that's one of the things I am trying to do is change things because we need to have more people at these. We need to have community involved in policy of the city. Yes, we vote for you guys to be on the the council and we trust that you're doing the right things, but community members in general should be included in those policies, which we are. But when it's not inviting to come to these meetings and people don't know when they are, okay, public hearings in that paper and that's about it. Or you can search for it online. Okay, we have electronic boards at schools. They're part of the city. Yes, I know it's the school, but why can't we use those to actually promote our council meetings to get people out here? You want to bring more people? And I hear every single one of you say, "We need more people at these meetings." So, find a different way to promote it because just telling people, "Well, it's, you know, every first and third Monday, you know what? Everybody's lives are so chaotic these days. It's hard to remember. So, some kind of reminder because most people do drive by the schools and I understand that sign by the park is going away, but there's other ones throughout this town that we could utilize to actually promote the meetings and get more community involvement. And I understand that there is nothing we can do about Vista. Absolutely nothing. But I just want to put this on the record that I'm not very happy that we are paying their city taxes which in includes because I looked this up includes debt service. They do not paying the city tax. Us paying their city taxes means that they are not repaying municipal bonds for previous infrastructure investments. So if I would move into this town, I'd have to pay those bonds. I'd have to pay my city taxes. I do not feel that that is right and I like I said I know there we can't go back we can't make change on that but that's something we need to think about moving forward because if you want to bring people into this community we need to actually work together and help each other bringing somebody in here where we're paying stuff for them for 10 years it it's tough it is very hard and we need to find a way to actually help each other. So, thank you. >> Thank you, Tina. >> Anybody else wishing to speak at this time? >> Hi. >> Um, I was here last meeting. >> Say your name. Just state your name. >> Oh, Ashley Rogers. Sorry. I was here last week or the week before about EV charging and I do have some information on some different types of programs that the states uh provide for putting EV chargers in. There is the Minnesota Department of Transportation. It's called NEVI and it's a federal program administrated by the Minnesota DOT that helps fund DC fast chargers along major highways and in Minnesota communities. There are is the CFI grants, a federal program that helps cities install public chargers in parks, downtowns, libraries, and public spaces. >> [clears throat] >> And then the greater Minnesota infrastructure uh it's a community program specified for community programs in communities in [clears throat] greater Minnesota. And that's all I have. But I would also like to mention um that my dad is a great guy. He is and he is the first person to help neighbors and bring community together. I have grown up in St. Francis with my dad teaching me how to be good to other people to help our neighbors. I've watched him throw countless community things, bringing our kids into fishing, huge fishing tournaments. My dad has done it all to help everybody in this community. He likes to see our community nice and that's I believe understandable and not unfair. >> Thank you. >> Thank you Ashley. >> Mayor, can I ask for a clarification? >> Absolutely. >> Ben, can just for the record, can you reiterate that we hear so much about the abatement and the the good, the bad, the indifferent? Darcy, can you say again synopsis what is Vista Prairie's obligation for the next 8 to 10 years and what is what is and what isn't their obligation? I know we're foregoing their property taxes, but they still pay for sewer, they pay for water, and they they pay storm water fee. That the storm water fee will be part of their their levy as well. >> Yes. Part of >> sorry, >> other taxes as well, >> right? They have payroll taxes. They have they have employees here as well. You know, I hear a lot of I'm just going to indulge myself right now. The community there's aging community in in St. Francis, in the city of St. Francis. They want they want to be here. here. They want to be near their families, whatnot. Is it a burden? It's a blessing and a burden in most place most cases. It's a $45 million building that any other city would have liked to have. Plus, the water usage and and stuff that they do have to pay for. The more users we put on the system, the more economic our system will run. Is that right, Paul? >> So, I just want to make this clarification. I know there's a lot of people aren't happy about it. Like Tina said, there's nothing we can do about it now, but it was welcomed in the beginning. We had open houses about it and stuff. Um, they're a nonprofit organization. This is the first brand new building they've ever built. The other ones they've taken over. They've actually reused, they've recycled other buildings to have their four other operations. So, they do give back considerable to their communities that they're in currently. So, I just think to look at the big picture. Sometimes the facts get thrown out there, but people don't say, you know, the ying. There's a ying to a yang. And, you know, there's there's some there's a lot of benefit to be had. Again, it turned out to be a really nice building. They they seem to be very good, well-run people. There was five other lending institutions that were a part of this program. We were a partnership with them as well. We're just updating their taxes for a while, but when it finally does kick in, the building's going to be worth more in in the term of eight years. Um, sometimes those abatements go out as far as 10 to 15 years. And I know some of us on the council were opposed to that. And eight seemed to be the norm. Ellers actually did a a uh a workup on it. So again, cast, you know, a subversions aside, it's here. It turned out nice. The aging community wants to be here. They're near their families. I think there's more pluses than minuses in the long run. So that's all I want to say. >> Kevin, Joel, you want >> I don't have anything to add on that topic. I'm going to make some corrections, I think, during my report about a lot of the things that were said, but I don't want to get into an argument or a dialogue. It's tough enough being remote, but I mean there's there's a few things that I'll address, but just to make a point of a few things, but it's just meeting open to the public, so it's their time to tell us what they think. So, I'm listening and taking notes. >> Thanks, Joe. Anybody else from the public wish to speak at this time? Seeing none, we're going to move on to special business. And tonight, have the honor to recognize Darcy Mullville for 16 years of service to the city of St. Francis. And I I'm just going to start out this by just saying quite simply, you were a very warm and welcoming face who was always willing willing and I felt I felt very welcomed by you and I and I greatly appreciate that attribute in addition to all your awards and everything you've won every year. And I you you'll be missed. And so we have put together a little certificate here with you. Joe, you'll have to get Joe to come back. You'll have to do a ride to Joe's house and put your signature on here, but rest of us is signed this. And it says uh certificate of appreciation. This sur certificate is probably presented to Darcy Maldo in grateful recognition of 16 years of exceptional service to the city of St. Francis. Throughout your career, you have served our community with unwavering integrity, wisdom, and compassion. Your dedication to excellent, steadfast leadership, and genuine care for the people you served have left the lasting mark on our organization and the residents of St. Francis. More than a trusted finance director, you have been a valued colleague, mentor, and friend. Your commitment has strengthened our city, inspired those fortunate enough to work beside you, and created a legacy that will be appreciated for years to come. As you begin this well-earned retirement, we extend our deepest gratitude for your many contributions and wish you every happiness, good health, and countless new adventures in the years ahead. Presented the sixth day of July, 2026. Thank you, Darcy. And Joe, I shake their hand, too. [laughter] >> Thank you. >> He got big shoes to fill their nap. >> I know I do. >> Thank you, Darcy. >> And I do have a something coming up, but I think it's later in the meeting. >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you very much. On to the public hearing. The 2027 2031 capital improvement plan. Nanley, mayor and council, before you tonight is the 2027 through 2031 capital improvement plan. An updated plan needs to be approved by the city council um by August 15th of each year and a public hearing is required as an aspect of the approval process. Um, the CIP has been posted online on the city website for public review. The capital improvement plan is a schedule of proposed public projects and purchases over a 5-year period. The plan is not intended to provide precise budgeting. Uh, capital costs are projected as estimates upon each update of the plan. deletions, additions, delays, and other revisions may occur reflecting changing community needs. These changes allow for budget refinement as a particular project nears actual construction. Approval of the CIP by the city council does not authorize spending or initiation of a given project. The plan is only used for a planning and financial tool which not only tells the viewers and city council where things are going but also facilitates negotiation and decision-m for community development. The city has three enterprise funds that are self-supporting. The projects listed in water, sewer, and the liquor departments would be funded directly from user fees and purchases, not from the general tax supported budget. The capital equipment fund pays for the replacement of city equipment equip excluding equipment used only for enterprise services which include water, sewer, and liquor. Equipment replacement is planned based on expected useful life condition and financial feasibility. The fund is supported by an annual property tax levy and annual transfers from the water and sewer funds to cover shared equipment. The street levy was set to $720,000 in 2026 and is proposed at an increase of $120,000 for 2027, which continues the planned annual increase to support future street improvements. The city funds most street projects through an annual property tax rather than special assessing individual properties. The building fund supports maintenance and repair needs for city facilities. The proposed levy is $75,000 for 2027, which is an increase over 2026 by which was $50,000. Funding helps maintain the police and public works building and the city hall fire station buildings. Park improvements are funded primarily through park dedication fees paid by developers, which can vary from year to year. The proposed 2027 park levy is $300,000, up from 2026 by $50,000. A citywide park plan has been completed by HKGI and city council will need to continue to determine timing of future park projects based on funding. Uh staff is requesting the city council open the public hearing on the 2027 through 2031 capital improvement plan. Close the public hearing and uh have a discussion and approve or deny the 2027 through31 capital improvement plan. >> Okay. At this time, I'm going to open it's at 6:31 p.m. I'm going to open the public hearing for anybody from the public wishing to speak about the 2027 2030 30 2031 capital improvement plan. Anybody from the public wish to speak at this time? Seeing nobody, I'm going to be closing the public hearing for the CIP at 6:32 p.m. On to council discussion. Kevin, would you like to start? >> Well, actually, it's 60ome pages of fun and excitement. Um, I spent 35 to 40 minutes with Darcy and Natalie going over it. I think there's some room for some changes or tweaking and tuning on it. Again, I asked a lot of clarifications that were made to me that make made it make more sense. Um I I guess I'd like to see I know the liquor store has a heck of a we're lucky to have one. First of all, there's one of I think 221 municipal stores in the state of Minnesota. We have one of them. Um I could see where that those funds could be used more towards one of the one of the subject matters like parks or elsewhere. But um I guess I would to break it down further not to and again our work sessions are recorded for posterity as well. But maybe further more involved talk about CIP uh to move it to that if need be. But um there's a lot to look at there. Again, 60ome pages. It's a lot of money. Uh should we do this for park? Should we not do this? Should do we need a $41,000 lawn mower next year? You know, and why and why not? Paul has some good reasons why. And there's been practices in the past that made it prudent. And the key word is prudent. Makes it um you're thinking ahead. That's what you know capital improvement. We're looking five years down the road. Doesn't mean it's gospel. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but at least we're looking ahead where in the past our city fathers and mothers did not. And there's lots of financial surprises as we are all living through right now as taxpayers. So um in brief then perhaps a work session is in order smaller or added with some other stuff. We won't see any real tax numbers that we get from our county or anything till August. So, it's neat to see this of things that we propose we need, but it'd be nice it's nicer to see the money that we actually have. So, that's where I'm at. >> Sir, >> I agree with a lot of Kevin's sentiments. Um, it it was a lot to to look over and and I agree there there's always room for adjustments. Um, I think our our uh department heads are very frugal and they don't ask for a whole lot extra. They know what they need. Um, so um I'm I'm open to to further, you know, if once we get the actual numbers, it's always interesting to kind of counsel. So >> yeah, the timing doesn't line up between what we're going to learn about to adjust our numbers for December or September is even max, >> right? >> Um because this does have to be approved by August. So >> and sorry to interject one second, Sarah, real quick. And this August 15th deadline is imposed by whom? >> The charter. >> That's by the charter. So is that something we can address as a charter? the change that I know we can't do it now this time this time but I think I >> well keep keep in mind though too that this is a plan right and it's 2027 2030 so it is for a future plan but again it's a plan it's not written in stone it doesn't mean we're approved money to be spent basically showing that our department heads are thinking forward they have to have a plan moving forward for what we may need and plan for you know um a lawnmower goes bad whatever you know, over time, whatever. So, this isn't actually, even though we might not like some of the numbers on here, it doesn't mean that it's absolutely going to be spent. I know, uh, you know, working with staff for many years, too. If Paul doesn't need something, he's not going to go out and get it or, you know, we can get another year out of this, so we're going to we're going to let it go longer. Um, you know, just as an example. So, I think I think most department heads think that way as well. They're not as much as we've seen at the state level, federal level, whatever, with all the craziness going on. Um I do not believe that the city has room for um I mean, we don't have a lot of wiggle room to waste a lot of money because we have needs that we have to meet. Um and we we do meet those. I I understand that some taxpayers might feel different or or think, you know, we can cut here, we can cut there, and we look at things like that. But I think too there's always room for discussion on where we can possibly withhold um some advances in some of these funds and we can talk about pausing, you know, maybe pausing what we're adding so we're not increasing the amount that we're adding. And that's discussion we can have in the future. But I don't think anything we need to necessarily worry about approving the plan because again it's it's confusing sometimes for for the public. I think too because we approve the plan, they think automatically we approve the spending. Again, that's not what we're doing. So, just to put that out there as well that it's it's approving a plan to move forward, not not approving the spending that's written on the paper. So, [clears throat] >> Sarah, [laughter] >> I just got too far. >> That's fine. Um, so I mean, and that's that's where I was going, Joel. Like, our department heads are very they're careful with their budgets. They're not I mean, Paul knows what's going to need replaced. Todd knows when they're going to need new gear, new guns, new cars. They know all that stuff. So, um, you know, there's there's always time to discuss for next, you know, there's there's always time to tweak in the future, but for now, this it's not it's not the perfect plan, but I think it's a good plan, and I think it's a good starting block for moving forward. Sir Amy, >> um [clears throat] well, if we don't have to decide until August 15th, I personally would rather this come back to a work session and maybe our work session would be 5 10 minutes, you know, and it would be, you know, we could add it on to another meeting, but I I myself would like more time um since we don't have to decide until August 15th, even the end of July, whatever, you know, that third is that just two weeks from now. Just one of those coming up meetings. I think that um there's a lot to unpack there and for as many times as um maybe people here said it's just a plan. It doesn't mean we're going to spend the money. We've heard other times where well it's in the budget so we're we're good. Let's let's go for it. And so um I'm always afraid of well it's in the budget so you know we I don't want to hear well we're going to lose it if we don't use it. And so I personally would rather just wait just one one or two meetings that's all so I had more time with it. >> Kate, we don't have a lot. I mean there are some grants where it's like you have to use it or lose it. But our budget is very different. We The reason I'm saying that is like the school district I heard all the time. It was one of those things if you didn't use those funds you lose it. We don't have a lot of that do we? I mean, other than like the grants, we have terms of when we have to use them and stuff like that, but it's not like if Paul doesn't use that, you know, $4,100 for a new lawn mower that he needs, sister, that's not going to disappear. It's staying in there for when he needs it. >> Correct. So, mayor and council, so that's what that's with with our cup. You'll see something like a large purchase, I think a dump truck or there's a crane truck, right? And it's a little bit of money every year. So, what happens is is this is what you'd probably you'd consider like a savings account at home. You're saving up to get the next truck. You're saving up to get the radios. If we if we did everything yearbyear, we would be doing very large expenses when it comes to equipment. So, this isn't a use it or lose it at all. And what it is is it's acts more like a savings account where we can take 10 years to get to a dump truck or we can get 10 years to get to the next crane truck. Um, and it's this fund that allows this. So these funds stay here and if we don't purchase something again like you mentioned, if Paul doesn't need the lawn mower this year and he it it sits there and waits for him, [clears throat] he doesn't have to come back the next year and keep asking for that say 20,000 year after year. um it it just isn't like a savings account. So, we're we're fortunate there where we try to try to spread these out every year in in a reasonable amount. So, we're not coming up with we need a million dollars for a truck or we need so much for a piece of equipment. Um and keeping this all together and that's and even with the enterprise funds, it just keeps that money in these separate pots. And for our roads, it's also a savings account. the grants and the federal and state appropriations are where you move you use it or lose it. Um, and those usually have some pretty hard strings attached to them, too. So, this this is essentially saying for the next five years, and what we're really looking at is what's affecting the levy next year, but for the next five years, this is the radios we're going to need. this is what we're setting aside for trucks or lawnmowers and this is kind of our savings account to get to that end goal is really what the CIP acts as >> Joel >> uh I don't have an issue with the plan. Um I mean it's it's a capital improvement plan. It's not the budget. I understand what Amy's saying where she's coming from, but at the same time it's as a council member too. up to us to look over when they come and say, "Hey, this is in the budget, whether or not they need it." Um, so I think that that falls on us when that time comes. Um, and I do I do think our staff is very responsible when it comes to that stuff. Um, over the years I've, you know, seen a number of times where we don't need to spend it and sometimes things break ahead of time and we have to buy it early. Um, so I don't have an issue with the plan. >> Thanks, Joe. I also had questions. Uh, unfortunately I was able to piggyback on Kevin. So I went in today and sat down with uh Natalie and Darcy about this. And I don't have any I mean they pretty much answered my questions. I'm not opposed to doing a work session to go a little deeper. I feel like I think I I've gone a little deeper already, but I'm not opposed to it. If the majority of council wants to do a work session to go a little deeper, I'm I'm not opposed [clears throat] to that. I typically don't care for for work sessions, but this is one case where if the majority wants to, I'm not I'm not opposed to doing it. If that's we'll kind of take an informal poll here. My only biggest takeaway was you alluded to it already a little bit, Joe, is, you know, like the increase to the the street the street fund. You know, it's arbitrarily kind of set at $120,000 increase just to not only it's not only meeting inflation, so to speak, it's it's also building that fund up. So, I mean, we there are certain funds like that I think we could reduce the rate on it. you you know my my my my big goal is I'm still hoping we get there is to try and hold the levy to less than 10 le less than a 10% increase and so there's some things in there that maybe can be tweaked back I I do believe we should continue to grow them but maybe we can twe tweak back the the rate of it so I don't know does a how do how do you guys feel do you want a work session know Amy does >> well really prompting my question and like Kate said you know we build up to some of the ones I saw and Darcu will uh go along with me. I saw 00 110,000. I saw 0040,000. I didn't see, you know, penny now, penny now, and then payoff. And that's what my main question was. And again, um I guess I I don't need a work session either. Again, this is just a a road map, so to speak. Doesn't mean we're going to stick to it. But they answered my questions as far as that goes. Um, if again if the majority wants to do it, if you and I and and Joe don't have a problem and Amy and has a has a concern, she could still have an appointment with Darcy and Natalie as well and sit down and get her questions answered and we wouldn't have to do all this, >> right? >> But that was my concern really also was again 000,000. How whoa, you know, but again, it's a plan. So, um I I'm not opposed to foregoing the work session as well. again, you know, we we've been mindful before and we'll be more than mindful down the burden. So, >> and it for me it doesn't have to be a work session. It just just postpone it just two weeks, you know, just to the next meeting. That's all about that's all that I >> What clarification are you looking for in those next that's my question is what clarification are you looking to then meet with Darcy and Natalie during that time >> to get more clarification? >> Yep. Because if not, if you don't, if you don't follow through with it, then the thing is is why are we holding off on voting? It's not it's not even meeting with them. I don't know that that's going to change anything in here. It might broaden your understanding or answer a few of your own questions, but I don't know what delaying the vote. I need to understand what delaying the vote is gonna do to change your mind or to solidify that it's okay or whatever. I guess I'm looking for >> I'm not sure I have an answer for you. I just there's a lot to unpack there and since we don't have to make a decision for five weeks. I didn't think it was unreasonable to ask for two more weeks. >> Wish I would have for Natalie. I mean, if if we delayed the vote for till the next meeting, does that have any impact on on you this point in time? >> Prep work for the July 20th um budget discussion, but um we would have to unpack both of these at the same meeting. Then >> I I don't know. I guess I I guess I'm I'm more in favor of voting on it tonight with you just just because I >> I don't I It is It's a guideline. It's not it's not a rule book. It's a guideline and it it's it's it >> that's fine. We can vote on it tonight. It sounds like all four of you will vote for it. So, >> it's fine. >> Anybody else? Anybody got anything else? >> All right. So, we're looking for a vote. Correct. Uh do I have a motion to approve the 2027 2031 capital improvement plan? I'll make a motion, Mayor. >> So moved by Councilman Robinson. Do I have a second? >> I'll second, Mr. Mayor. >> Second by Councilman Odvig. Uh, roll call vote, please. Jenny. >> Mayor Hogle. >> I. >> Council member Robinson. >> Hi. >> Adv. Milbower. >> Hi. >> His name. Thought I was in. >> Yep. [laughter] That's fine. On to old business. Ordinance amendment chapter 6 business regulation section 5 gambling. second reading. Uh that would be >> I can take that. So yep, mayor and council. So tonight is the second reading for the ordinance amendment. Um at the last meeting you determined that this change would go into effect beginning August 1st. So this is just the formality of the second reading and I'm happy to answer any questions. >> We got any questions for Kate? >> No sir. >> Okay. So, do I have a motion for ordinance 358 amending city code chapter 6 section 5 subdivision 3 regarding business regulation and gambling? >> Do I have a motion? >> Motion by Councilman Fis. Do I have a second? >> A second. Mayor. >> Second by Councilman Robinson. Roll call. Wlet, please. >> Mayor Vogle. I. >> Council members Fanis. I. Robinson. Hi. >> Adv. Melbower. today. >> On to uh resolution 202623 authorizing summary publication of ordinance 358. Do I have a motion? >> I'll make that motion. >> Motion by council. Councilman Muower. Do I have a second? >> I'll second. >> Second by council. Roll call. Vote please. Jenny. >> Mayor Vogel. I. Council member Sonis. Ivik. Hi. Robinson. Hi. Mbower. Hi. Thank you all. On to new business. Plans and specifications for trunk highway 47 utility improvements. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council, >> so this is in regards to trunk highway 47 improvements. Mindot is planning for the reconstruction of Trump Highway 65 or 47 in 2028 from 227 to 241st Avenue. Prior to the road construction, the city is considering reconstructing uh their utilities which would be in 2027. Main goal of this project is to replace or rehabilitate the sewer and water trunks from 1973 when they're currently 53 years old. In general, this includes all the sewer and water south of 233rd Avenue to the wastewater treatment plant. Uh there are two segments of trunk sewer on the west side of 47 um north of 233rd. One of those is from 1973 and the other one is adequate and doesn't need to be replaced or rehabilitated. And then the sewer force main from ambassador lift station is undersized for future flows. Three alternatives were reviewed in detail. All the alternatives have the following components in in common. New sewer and water trunks are planned from Ambassador Boulevard to 241st Avenue. The 1,200 ft segment of trunk sewer from 1973 on the west side would be rehabilitated or lined, not replaced. And a 12-in sewer force main would be constructed from the Ambassador lift station again to accommodate future flows. So, the next three slides are the three alternatives that were looked at in detail. On top of the This is alternative one. On top that red line is the general location of what would be considered the alignment of the new sewer and water from Ambassador to 241st Avenue. In the middle of the exhibit, the green area is the current water man that is um in good condition. It's newer and that would be left as is. And then the black line to the left of that is where the general alignment of the new forest main would be which is on the west side of 47. So this alternative its main construction component is to replace the sewer and water south of 233rd Avenue to the wastewater treatment plant in its current location. Um currently there is four to anywhere from four to six existing small utilities over that trunk. When we talk about small utilities, we're talking about gas, electric, cable. Since you don't own this right away, you have to pay to relocate those facilities. That's why this option is so expensive. And there really isn't a very good location to even put them. So, alternative two is basically the same alternative except on the bottom of the figure there, the red line on the left or the uh sewer and water would be rebuilt over on that side and abandoned in place where it is now. Uh the advantage of this is uh that that's pretty clean corridor over there. very small few small utilities and then the final alternative looked at is alternative three. Basically this is uh um again the sewer and water would be aband or the I'm sorry the water would be abandoned in its existing position there in the blue line but the sewer would be rehabilitated and not abandoned. There's they have quite a few good techniques for rehabilitating or lining sewers now. The only reason that line is proposed to be replaced is it doesn't have the capacity. It's near capacity already. So for future flows, it wouldn't have it. But the plan here would be the red line on the bottom of this exhibit to the left. We'd extend that force main all the way down to 227th and dump it in a manhole there. So then the existing 12 in has capacity uh needed for any existing future flows. So this option uh makes it a lot more affordable because we're not we really don't have any big we'll have a few areas but not a lot of deep open trenches because of the sewer that's the deepest part of this facility. So it also will minimize to the greatest extent of the other alternatives the disturbance of roads traffic uh restoration. So estimated project costs um alternative one is estimated at 9.1 million 2 8.1 million and 37 million. So all three alternatives meet the project goals. So really it came down to in our opinion the the cost of each one. Um and then that's why three kind of settles to the top and again it also is less um disturbance of roads general public traffic and just general restoration. The city has secured six million in state and federal funds for this project and the city has been planning for this project since 2022 and funds have been set aside in the city's enterprise funds. The additional 1 million would be from the enterprise funds as well as potential need to finance based on the state and federal money timing. So the requested action is uh consideration to approve staff to prepare plans and specifications for the trunk highway 47 utility improvements with alternative number three is the design alternative. Greg Amy wants us >> uh I just have one question. So overall for the whole 47 project, our portion is $1 million. >> Aaron, council, for the infrastructure only, not pavement up. >> Okay. >> Dirt down, we're up to $1 million. Correct. >> Okay. So the other portion we haven't seen yet. >> So >> have we? >> We h we're just starting to see that and I was hoping to have it on this meeting. Hopefully we'll have it on the next. We're waiting for the state for one more piece. But yeah, this is just the infrastructure. This is not the reconstruction at all. >> Okay. So, if at this point if somebody said, "How much did 47 cost the city?" It is $1 million, but there's more still coming. >> We have to be careful. They're two completely separate projects. So, this is our project has nothing to do with mind other than we're trying to beat them so we're not tearing up new pavement. >> Okay? >> Because then it's going to cost us more than a million. >> Okay? So, um, yes, for for the underground, we're looking at up to a million. Um, right now, roughly, my last estimate for the pavement up, we were looking just under 400,000. >> Oh, >> yeah. >> Okay. >> That that'll come at the next I'll have better numbers hopefully at the next. >> That's a good point. >> And I think you know this. I mean, they're coming from separate funds. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's good. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Thanks. >> That's all I have, >> Sarah. >> I didn't have any questions. I'm I'm find three. >> Yes, sir. Kevin, >> Greg, did you have any leanings towards one or two over three? And I'm sure you use the same criteria to, you know, as you threw at each one of these options here. Did you have any that were closer to three than that you guys might have waffled on when you're looking at the big picture? >> No, not really. I mean, we looked at a lot of alternatives and none of them really I mean, they're all real similar, but um no, there wasn't anything real really in between those two that we came up with. >> And when you say abandon the other other the existing stuff is actually left in the ground then just >> they fill them with sand and plug the ends, fill the manhole. They usually take the top off the manholes, fill it with sand, but they can blow sand through the pipe. And we did have a uh Paul and I did meet with Mindot and they're okay with all of the >> okay >> whatever we want to do. They're rearranging the alignments, abandoning it in place. They realize that you know alternative one would be very expensive. So >> as far as the realigning stuff, I know you said the technologies come a long long way. I was going to say are you confident about the newer stuff? Have you seen what the longevity of the newer stuff? What's what's the lifespan you've seen of some of the newer stuff that have you looked over your shoulder at 7 years ago that they did some of the stuff that we've been using now or this stuff is newer or newer? >> The oldest stuff I've done is 15 years old and it's perfectly fine. Um cities like New Hope, that's all they do. They got some really old sewers. Um, yeah. I guess the only downside is it isn't a brand new sewer, but again, the techniques nowadays are I I don't know that it's worth spending the 2 million extra million for >> sure. All right, that's all I have. Thank you, sir. >> Thanks, Kevin. Joel, >> uh, Craig actually kind of answered my question with that last comment. Um, I was curious as to whether or not there's uh, you know, we've heard the advantages of each each exhibit, but what were the cons and if it was worth it to spend more to get more out of it, but it doesn't sound like there is. So, >> thanks Joel. >> I I don't have any questions either. Well, well presented, very very plain and clear in my opinion. So, >> are we voting on this then or is it just a >> council? I'm going to turn back to Craig. I think we need the approval to prepare plans and specs. So, there is there is an approval requirement. >> Okay, >> I'll make that motion. >> Thank Thank you. [laughter] Thank you, Joel. I'm looking for it, but that'll work. Do I have a second? >> I'll second. Mayor Seconded by Councilman Robinson. Roll call vote, please. Jenny, >> Mayor Vogle, >> I. >> Council members Udbig, >> I. Then I, Robinson, >> hi. >> Melbour, >> hi. >> Thank you all. Thank you, Craig. On to city hall chambers rental policy. And I had a good conversation with Kate about this today, but I'm going to let Kate take this. Go ahead, Kate. >> Yeah, mayor and council. So before you tonight is the first run at uh a rental policy for this space which also includes the small kitchen and the conference room. Um you know we put together some of the initial pieces. We've got two really moving pieces with this one is during staffing hours staff is here. We've had professional groups use this room. Um we haven't had any residential groups asked to use this during business hours but professional groups use it. We we've let them in and out. Um we've had the blood cross. The chamber uses it every month. So it's been great space for that. Uh there has been a a call from council to to offer it on nights and weekends. With that, we would need um a staffing person to to manage the door and to supervise the building. So with that, this policy created kind of the difference between those hours, the eligible types of uses, the priorities, um some of the safety and and liability aspects. It has been reviewed by our legal team. And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions after this. Once we get through this, I kind of outline the next steps as we would be, you know, creating a job application, looking for somebody to do those staffing hours, um, updating the fee schedule, and then, uh, make, you know, running back through with our attorneys to make sure that that we've really got everything. So, happy to answer any questions. >> Sarah, I'll start with you. Uh, no. I'm I'm just happy to see this come through. We One of the selling points of this building was that we would have a public space for people to use and we we're we've waited long enough. So, I'm excited to see um you know, I I guess we I knew when we went forward with this that there was going to more than likely be staff added because we just don't have staff to cover that. So, um I I think it's a a good starting point. I'm not sure if it's I'm sure it's not the end of where it's at, but I think this at least shows that we're trying to come through on that on that promise of having a space. We took away the little space that we had at the other spot and and now it's time to give them back a space that they can use if they need. Sir Kevin, >> um I am too was hoping that it would be more uh ready for, you know, public use situation because it is supposed to be people's building. I wonder if we can incorporate and this is a stretch, but with the liquor store employees, I know there are some full-timers. I don't know how many part-timers they have. Rather than expanding our employee ranks, I wonder if we could use somebody from the liquor store that had weekend hours already. If that would be something to explore. Not saying that we got to do it. Maybe Joseph would say absolutely not. But maybe somebody, you know, part-time people are always looking for extra hours and the liquor store doesn't offer it. Maybe they can be open and a closer and report things. And as far as cleanup, uh, Trevor, unless it's, you know, there's a deposit again, that deposit was that 350. I brought my wrong iPad 350. >> I might you might want to update Andy on that a little bit, but maybe some liquor store employees want some part-time employees would want to be a part of this or not. Um, but I would try it for a year. I'd put it and experiment for a year and see how it goes and then take another look at it after the fact and see what we need to tweak and tune and go from there. And I would hope that people that are taking time to rent it because it is a nice facility that they would uh treat it as their own as well and leave it in in tiptop shape. >> So, um, yeah, I don't necessarily have an issue with that. So the the idea is that the fee schedule once it's updated covers the cost of whatever we need for cleaning and order, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. I mean, we're kind of adding an employee, but not really. But I like your idea, too, Kevin, to reach out to our current employees whether or not we do or whether or not it's even feasible. Doesn't hurt to ask the question, I guess. Um, but yeah, I mean, it's it's a part-time employee, but you're kind of getting paid based on need. So, it's not really a huge thing in the fee schedule should cover that cost. So, if it doesn't cost us anything, then I don't see an issue with it. >> Thanks, Joe. Amy, >> uh, just that it probably would be really hard to find a part-time sporadic person that is can come in whenever. I mean, obviously, you have to would have to rent the room with it, you know, with some notice. Um, I think that would be difficult. I think maybe liquor store employees or like or one of you know you couldn't use a full-time employee because then they're they're getting overtime. Um but you know I I would be willing to do it. I'm available sometimes. Um so um I don't know just we'd probably have to really think about who who would be available or who we could call in and you know who wants to work from 2 to 2 to 6 on a Saturday you know and real sporadically. You just don't know when that's coming up. So, there'd have to be real clear timelines. They have to rent it, you know, give us two weeks notice and or you know, you know, it can't be like, "Hey, can I rent it this Saturday?" And we're scrambling to find someone. So, I think that would be that would be difficult. So, >> otherwise, I I I think it's good though because people have wanted this space, a space um to use because they, you know, I think we saw that they really did use the other building quite a lot. So, thank you. I I also think it's a good thing and that that's the center center of our conversation today when I sat with Kate and talked about this is simply >> if if we were to use if we were to use somebody, let's just say develop a couple part- timerrs who want to do this, what's going to make it attractive to them? And in all honesty, I don't I don't think I don't think 15 to $20 is going to do it. >> So, it's it was I'm just suggesting this. I'm certainly open to whatever the rest of council has to say, but I just threw out, you know, there's also additional costs that the city has to bear in relationship to this employee. So, when we talked about I think in the plan was roughly what was it $25 per hour that the the employee would not see $25. They'd only see I don't know 15 to 20 because there's extra cost built into that. So, what I what I'm suggesting is we boost that up to $50 an hour, minimum of two hours. So, you're looking at a $100 to use the facility for two hours. But then then we'd be paying that part-time position person just to fill in here something like $30 an hour to make it attractive to them because otherwise I think you're really going to struggle at $15 to $20 somebody to come in on weekends and nights to cover it. So, I I I would rather see a $50 an hour. Plus, that gives us a little leeway if we can't find one of our regular part- timerrs to do it. If we have to have staff staff man this particular event, we've got a few dollars in an account to pay the higher rate for that staff person. So, I I don't I don't know what the rest of you think. I I don't think $100 for two hours is unreasonable or $50 an hour. And so the employee would not be seeing $50 an hour, but that would be the rate. >> So I I don't >> I would be into that. >> Go ahead, Joe. What Joe? >> Well, I say I think the market will tell you. I mean, if we do that, whether or not people are using it or not will tell us whether or not it's, you know, and and then the customers, so to speak, the residents that do rent it out or whatever, we'll let you know whether or not they feel it's a good number. And then if it's feasible, we work with that. If we got to raise the fee schedule, we raise the fee schedule. If we got to lower it, we lower it. We adjust as needed. You know, >> I agree. And I I just I just think we're better off. I like I say, I don't I don't think we're going to have much success starting at 15 or $20 an hour. I just don't I >> naive, you know, think sounds like you agree or comfortable with it at least. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm okay with that. I I mean, it's going to make it more attractive. You know, there's always, you know, there are people who really do enjoy just having that. You know what? I don't have but every once in a while you know what I have maybe once a month or once every three months I get this extra little bit of money. So there are always those people who are looking for it. So you know with 35B absolutely no maybe but 50 probably does make it a little more where somebody's like yeah I'm willing to give up. You know a lot of people do work weekends. It's just kind of the new thing. It's not like a lot of people get weekends off anymore. A lot of people do work. if we could somehow you know liquor store people if but again if they're working at the liquor store on the weekend then they're giving up another weekend because they can't work at the liquor store and be here >> and we also discussed this too there's one other thing if if you I don't we don't know the exact number but if you go over a certain number of hours then there's whole other pay scale other rules that come into this so right that's why it gets real dangerous when you start talking about >> using utilizing existing staff >> right so yeah so if I mean obviously Our first choice would probably be hopefully finding someone that says, "Yeah, I I'm cool with, you know, every once in a while weekends and evenings I can do that." Some people are like, "That's great." >> I kind of put it the analogy I kind of used with Kate was just called the Vicki when Vicki used to Yes. man man up at the at the school district and we would rent that facility for our meetings and so would >> Yeah. >> I have a question then. Um, would the person have to be here during the duration of the renters's event? >> Correct. >> Entire time. >> I see. >> Yeah. >> And we were clarifying also. I gave some suggestions. I'm kind of some of this was has to do with we have this situation even at our church where we rent it out and blah blah blah. One of the things I caution is we have to highlight it is the attendant. I'm going to call it for lack of a better term, the attendant is there just to open and close the facility and monitor the facility. They're not there to clean up after the people or anything like that. That's that's written in there. That's on them. >> So, >> Amy, >> so are you just looking for a consensus vote on a rate on the whole concept or what are you looking for, Kate? So, Mayor Council, now that I have um some rates, if if you'll if you want to look at approving the policy with some we'll clarify. Otherwise, I can bring it back um after we update the section on on the tendant not being a cleaner. But otherwise, if you if you adopt the policy, then we'll start working on the um job descriptions and then we will also start working on getting the fee schedule because that'll take the two ratings. And so yeah, if you want to approve this tonight, then we'll we'll start with looking for staff and putting those pieces. >> I don't know about the rest of you uncomfortable >> approving the policy. >> Absolutely. So, do we need a formal vote on this then? >> Yes, please. >> Okay. So, do I have a motion to approve the policy on city hall chambers rental policy? >> I'll make that motion, mayor. >> Motion by Councilman Adv. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Second by Councilman Fis. Roll call. Vote, please. Jenny. >> Mayor Vogle. >> I. >> Council member Spanis. >> I. Adv. Robinson. >> Hi. >> Neil Bower. >> Hi. >> [laughter] >> Thank you all. Uh on to the top tier automotive site plan. >> Beth, >> thank you mayor and councel. Uh before you tonight is a request uh for site plan review related to the top tier automotive uh proposed development. So this is proposed to be located on the vacant parcel. It's about just over one acre uh located between Highway 47 uh and Aztec Street. You can see it's at the end of that Kelseac just north of the school fields there. Uh so the site is guided for commercial use in the 2040 comprehensive plan. Uh it's zoned B2 general business and the proposed use is a minor auto repair uh and service uh site which is an appropriate use. Uh it's permitted in the B2 district. Uh and so the applicants are proposing a 6,800 square foot uh minor auto repair and service building be a singlestory building uh with eight vehicle bays uh for the different customers. Uh there are two access points that are proposed. Both would access onto Aztec. Um and so no a no access points onto 47 with this property. Uh and the site has been designed so that it meets all of the dimensional requirements for the B2 district. Uh so we we had some good discussions uh both with the applicant and then with the planning commission related to uh exterior building materials and architectural standards. And so um we wanted to kind of recap some of those discussions for you tonight. Uh [clears throat] there are two main standards that we were focused on. Uh the first uh relates to the front wall of the building. Uh and so in this case the front wall is uh on the west side facing Highway 47. Uh and the code has a standard that the front wall of buildings in the B2 district uh 100% of that exterior finish needs to consist of materials that are at least comparable in grade and quality to things like uh brick, stone, glass, stucco, uh different types of concrete. Uh the materials that are proposed uh is a building that is primarily uh Dakota steel paneling uh with some stone along the bottom. Uh and so uh we had a good discussion with the planning commission about um Dakota steel paneling since obviously that's not mentioned um as part of that standard. So whether or not that's consistent in grade and quality um to those materials that I kind of listed out before. Typically when we're looking at you know what is consistent in grade and quality um we're looking at the quality of the materials uh and the longevity uh of those materials. Uh so for these types of materials, we're looking at um long lasting, something that has a life expectancy of 40 years or more. Uh and there was information that the applicant provided about Dakota Steel. I believe it was in your pack as well. Um and that showed that it has uh a 45-year limited warranty. So we are in that uh that category of that long life expectancy for that type of material. Uh so I did just kind of go down uh the Highway 47 corridor and and pick some of the some of the buildings that have been fairly newly uh developed just to see kind of what is the typical uh building, what does that look like um and how would the proposed building kind of fit in. Um so on that that bottom right image is the proposed um building after discussion with the planning commission. Um, so there were some additional design elements added to uh to to add some extra uh interest in the front of that building. [clears throat] Uh the second uh standard that was related to the architectural requirements um is that for all non-residential buildings that that are street facing, there needs to be facade articulation uh at least every 60 linear feet. So that's things like uh changes in building material, color, uh massing changes, something like that. Uh and then there also needs to be windows installed at regular intervals. Uh and so the image on the top there again is the revised image that the applicants have provided uh proposing uh the the windows and this is the side that would face Aztec. So the side that faces east. The bottom image there uh is the AutoZone building that was fairly recently constructed uh and kind of how they uh proposed uh and and executed what they were those those standards um for access and parking. Again, there are two driveways that are proposed to provide access to Aztec. Uh right now those are shown as 12 feet wide. Uh two-way traffic per city code requires 24 foot wide drive aisles. Uh and so we're still working with the applicant to to understand if the circulation is going to be um kind of one way as far as the driveways themselves uh or if those need to be widened to the 24 ft. Uh parking spaces are proposed in line with code requirements. So 34 spaces are required and 34 are proposed. Uh the applicant did provide this landscaping plan. Uh chose trees primarily along the north and south sides of the parking lot. Um there are some revisions to the landscaping plan that we're working through uh with the applicant uh as well as a discussion with the planning commission that they suggested potentially some landscaping uh between the building and Aztec uh to provide again some visual interest uh between the building and then the the residents to the east there. Uh there is also screening requirements along the south boundary line. uh this there are already uh trees and other types of vegetation that are along that south boundary line. Um but because there are some improvements proposed as far as infiltration basins in that area um I need some additional information on how much of that vegetation is going to remain and if there needs to be some additional screening uh added at that point. Uh the site is going to be served by city utilities. Um, again, we talked a little bit about that infiltration basin on the southwest portion of the site there. Uh, and these are plans that the engineer has been reviewing and providing comment on. Um, and those were in your packet as well. So, the planning commission reviewed this request at the June 17th meeting. Uh, we did have that discussion about exterior materials. Um, planning commission felt that the Dakota steel that was proposed uh is comparable in grade quality to the high quality materials that are uh required on the front wall of the buildings. Um, and then they did confirm that the facade articulation and windows were needed. And so that was the updated image that you saw uh in this presentation. Uh, with that they unanimously recommended approval of the site plan request. Uh, too far. Uh, and so tonight council has asked to review the request and take action. Uh, I do have a suggested motion on the screen. And before I do, I just wanted to make note one small change in one of the conditions. Um the city engineer updated their memo and so that the date of that memo has been updated. So just a small change and I'm happy to stand for questions. >> Joel, we'll start with you. Anything? >> I have no questions. I watched the planning meeting when this took place. So it's kind of deja vu for me, but I like it. >> Thank you, Joel. Uh Kevin, >> um I was at the planning meeting. I did talk to the owners and these guys have owned the property for my understanding for some time already which is I can appreciate that and then their entrepreneurial spirit. I can really appreciate that. So um I did suggest that they add the stone and some of the accents and whatnot which they have. It did make the building look much nicer. Uh Beth, can you roll back to those four uh or comparisons for it please? Yeah, it made a bigger difference in the big brown blob and but uh um I like it. I the gentleman is here from Dakota Steel who can explain materials if anybody needs more elaboration on that. But uh I like what I see and I I I approve it. >> Sir, >> I agree. I did watch part of the planning meeting too um on this and yeah, I like the changes. I think it looks looks like a very nice looking building. I think it will look nice there. I'm in favor of it. >> Okay, >> I agree. It looks really nice and I would be in favor of it, too. jump on board and say the same thing that if it wasn't for the >> brick facade down below, I think I'd struggle with it, but it look it looks good. But it looks nice, so I have no issues with it. >> So, with that, any other discussion, anybody? [clears throat and cough] >> Do I have a motion to approve resolution 2026 24 approving a site plan for top tier automotive? >> I'll make that motion, mayor. >> Motion by Councilman Robinson. Do I have a second? >> I'll second it. Second by counciloman Fis. Roll call vote, please. Jenny. >> Mayor Vogel. >> I. >> Council members Robinson. >> Hi. >> Adv. Fis. >> I. Mebower. >> Y. >> Hi. [laughter] >> Thank you all. >> Thank you. Top tier. Thank you for >> Thank you. >> Appreciate it. On to item number nine. Item D. Turtle Pond sixth edition preliminary and final plat. Beth, >> thank you Mr. Mayor. Uh [clears throat] before you tonight are two requests related to the sixth edition of the Turtle Pond's development. So this includes the preliminary plat as well as the final plat. Uh this is a site that I believe all of you have seen a few times at least now. Um this is a 2 and a half acre parcel uh located along 229th Avenue uh within the city's urban service area. There is a fairly large wetland complex that is located along the north and west sides of the site. There is [clears throat] an existing uh pole shed in the southeast corner that does have access currently to 229th Avenue. Uh that is something that would not continue with the proposed development. Um the access would be removed uh as well as the pole shed. And so the surrounding area, this is part of the Turtle Run planned unit development. Um, so you've got the ponds golf course to the west, uh, residential to the north and east, different types of residential. Uh, and then the city of Oak Grove is located directly to the south. So, uh, again, the applicant is proposing to run the preliminary plat and final plat concurrently. Uh, so the preliminary plat shows two residential structures, uh, with four units in each. So each unit would be on its own separate lot. And then there would be uh outlot A which uh would include the continuation of the private street that comes to the from the east from the fourth edition. Uh it also includes uh the the wetland area uh and then the the storm water areas as well. So final plat looks very similar. Uh you see again those eight residential lots with the one outlot. Uh and then on this final plat you see that there is a proposed dedication of 60 ft of right ofway to in noa county um to uh basically even out that right of way uh for 229th. So the site itself is guided for medium density residential use. Uh that has a density range of 3 to 7 units per net acre. Uh once you net out the uh the wetland in this area the plat density comes to about 4.8 units per net acre. So, right in the middle of that range. Uh, this site uh was actually reszoned to Turtle Run PUB fairly recently um back in 2023. Uh, and so these are these are the requirements for attached town houses, which is the the type of housing that's proposed on this site. Uh, and and all of the the standards are are met with the proposal. Uh again, [clears throat] the lots would have access uh from 229th Lane, uh which is the private street that runs uh within the fourth edition and then would run west to serve the sixth edition. Uh right now that is owned and maintained by the turtles fourth HOA. Uh the the proposal is that that HOA would be expanded so that uh it includes both the fourth edition and the sixth edition uh for that HOA. The roadway was designed so that uh there is room for large vehicles to turn around as needed. Uh and again that existing access to 229th Avenue to the south is going to be removed. Uh the applicant is proposing to remove about a third of an acre uh of trees uh for the development to make room for it. Uh the applicant has provided a landscaping plan. Um there are some minor revisions that I'm working uh through with the applicant. Um but in general, this is the proposed landscaping plan um that's proposed. Uh there is that wetland on the north and west portions of the site. The applicant is proposing to fill about 800 square ft uh of that wetland. uh and they're in the process, the Wetland Conservation Act process to obtain wetland credits um as needed in order to to complete that fill. Uh and so that's something that needs to be fully completed and then reviewed by the city uh before final acceptance can be given. So you'll see that as a condition. Uh but otherwise with that with those changes um the required buffer width and the set the wetland setback um are met and then the lots are proposed to be served by city utilities. Uh on the southwest side of the site you can see a wet sedimentation basin that's proposed. Uh and then this is also something that the city engineer has been uh working with the applicant on and reviewing those plans. Uh the planning commission held the public hearing for the preliminary plat uh at their meeting on June 17th. Uh there were no comments received either prior to or at the meeting. Uh and the commissioner stated that they felt that this design is the the best design that fits the site um that they've seen with all the different iterations that we've seen over the last few years. Um so with that, they unanimously recommended approval of the preliminary plat. uh final plats are something that only the council sees and so that's why they didn't act on that and so tonight council action is uh requested for the preliminary and final plat. Uh again there's a suggested motion on the screen there and there are just a couple changes to these conditions as well. Um again fairly small but uh a small revision to the landscaping plan conditions uh and then a change to that engineering review memo date. Happy to stand for questions. Amy, >> uh, just one quick question. Are these town homes um for sale or for rent? >> Uh, believe me, council, the applicant is here and can answer that question. >> Better. >> They're for sale. >> They're for sale. Okay. Okay, that was it. Otherwise, I thought it looked real good. >> Uh, sir, >> I do not have any questions on this. >> Kevin, >> no questions, sir. >> Joel, >> I got nothing. Thank you. I've only got one question in in the packet. I saw that the county was commenting about noise along 229th down there. I I guess I wasn't following exactly what they were talking about in their noise consult. >> Yep. Um so, Mayor and Council, if I remember right, that is fairly common language that they put in most of their letters and so it's not >> something out of the ordinary that we see. >> Thank you. Other than that, I don't have any issues or concerns either. Looking for a motion to approve resolution 202625 approving the preliminary plat and final plat for the sixth edition of a turtle ponds development. Do I have a motion? >> I'll make that motion. M >> motion by Councilman Fonis. Do I have a second? >> Joe. >> Second. >> Roll call vote, please. Jenny. >> Mayor Vogel. >> I. >> Council members Udbig. >> I. Robinson. >> Hi. >> Fis. I. >> Malbower. >> Hi. >> Thank everyone. on to meeting open to the public. Anybody wishing to speak come forward at this time. Nobody nothing. Uh we'll move on to department reports. The only condition here is Darcy. No crime. Don't make us cry. >> No, you're gonna make me [laughter] cry. >> You're You're up, Darcy. >> Okay. Mayor, council, residents, and staff. Tonight marks my last council meeting of my 29-year jour journey in municipal finance. Spending the last 16 years serving as the finance director for the city of St. Francis, which has been a very enriching experience. When I arrived in St. Francis after 13 years with my previous city, I brought a lot of experience, but St. Francis brought its own unique opportunities. Together, we did incredible work to secure this community's future. We maintained structural balance through challenging, unpredictable economic shifts. We protected our fiscal health, ensuring taxpayer dollars were always optimized. We modernized core systems, bringing efficiency and transparency to city operations. We funded crit crucial infrastructure, quietly building the background for St. Francis's growth. Of course, municipal finances finance is not just about high level asset allocation and grand bond ratings. It's also about public service at the front counter. Which brings me to the most one of my most unforgettable moments. I will never forget the day a resident decided to protest their $60 storm water fee by paying it entirely in pennies. Those 6,000 pennies were in an ice cream bucket that as I took the entire the bucket into my office, the handle busted >> and we had pennies all over my office. >> Yes, we took a lot of time finding all the pennies. I think I did kind of find a couple a few years later, but we got them. [laughter] So, but managing a city's ledger is never a solo endeavor. The financial strength of the city of city of St. Francis is a shared achievement. To the city council and administration, thank you for your trust, collaboration, and commitment to fiscal discipline. To my fellow co-workers, you tracked every cent, turned in your receipts, and made made coming to work a joy. even when we were drowning in those count copper pennies. To all the consultants, I could not have done this job without your help. Thanks for answering all my questions. And to my family, thank you for enduring 29 years of budget seasons, late night meetings, and endless talks of spreadsheets. Your love and support made all this possible. As I log out of the city's financial systems for the last time, I know the city is set to succeed. Our reserves are strong, ensuring the city can weather future economic storms. Our long-term fiscal plans are set, guaranteeing a sustainable progress for years to come. After nearly three decades of public service, I am officially shifting my asset allocation towards personal time, trading budget deadlines for the open road on my motorcycle, creative hours spent crafting and uninter uninterrupted quality time with my family, stepping away from the microphone at public hearings to enjoy quiet evenings and appreciation appreciating St. Francis, not through a spreadsheet, but simply as a proud former city employee. Thank you for all your memories, the dedication, and truly unforgettable 16 years. Cheer cheers to the fright bright future of the city of St. Francis. And to end, I would like to quote a great philosopher in my mind, Mr. Worldwide, Mr. 305 pitbull who said life is not a waste of time and time is not a waste of life. So let's stop wasting time and have the time of our lives. Dalai >> thank you. >> Thank you Darcy. Thank you very much. You you embody a a good healthy public servant and it's it's greatly appreciated truly. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Oh, with that case, on to you. City administrator report. >> Mayor Council, I don't have a lot to add. We had a lot on the agenda tonight that really tied in a lot of different pieces. Uh we're still waiting for some highway pieces. We're still um learning about our our funding and our appropriations and working on ebikes. So, we have a lot of things still moving heading this way. Um, but no real real updates tonight, but I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Anybody have any questions for Kate? >> I don't see >> I don't see any. Oh, thank you, Kate. >> Council member reports. Uh, Sarah. [snorts] >> Um, I don't have much to report, but I do want to thank Darcy for her years of service and for her songs that she would always bring to us. I often thought of those all week long. [laughter] Um, so you will be missed and but enjoy enjoy your retreatment. You deserve it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Sarah. >> Kevin, >> um, not much. I attended the planning zoning meeting a couple weeks ago and then uh, it's always nice to read the uh, off-week report again of the police department. It's my kudos to those guys and and the way it's written up and uh, enjoy reading those. um met with uh Darcy and Natalie earlier last week about the CIP. Other than that, that's all I have. I'm looking forward to Darcy's uh Big Bash Run on Thursday from 2 to 4. If you're available, come for some cake and some laps. >> Thanks, Kevin Joe. >> Uh thank you, Darcy, for all the years working with us. Um and I'll say thanks from Steve as well. I'm sure he'd like to say that himself. um watched the planning and zoning meeting as well uh which I mentioned earlier. And then I just wanted to kind of throw a few things out there. Um I understand residents being upset. I was upset myself um for some things. Um I you know I I went up to the city and complained about the water situation when I first came out. Um and I at that time I was violating code and had no idea because I had my bone in my for like seven years. it was in the same spot. Um, not on any kind of hard surface, whatever. Well, um, I actually had a developer of my neighborhood come over and give me a letter, which I thought, you know, maybe could have been the city, whatever. I had no proof of that. I had no knowledge of it. I don't think the city did that, honestly. Um, I trust that our city staff is enforcing the codes that are on the books. I myself am a a fan of the way we do code enforcement only because it's like a no harm, no foul. if you're not bothering anybody or hurting anybody, nobody's, you know, if nobody calls on you, we're not going to waste a bunch of time and money. We're not going to hire a bunch of code enforcement people to go out there and bother our residents. Um, so I don't I don't think that there's a problem with the current policy that we have. Um, the EDA does not enforce code um at all. It's it's a separate body that's it's it's it gets confusing when it gets to some of this stuff because it's kind of part of the city but a separate entity as well. Like the school district is its own government agency, nothing to do with the city but it's obviously physically in our city. So it's a lot of things get get goofy. Um the abatement thing, the idea with abatement and I've said this a million times. Um, you know, you might not see the benefits currently, but I think when they get on the tax rolls and they take that big chunk of the levy, um, that's where the benefit comes. Uh, we benefited from sack and whack, which helped to stabilize the rates, which Kevin brought up. Um, you know, and then a resident earlier, they mentioned, you know, why isn't the city do something about how we enforce code? And I think that's part of the problem there is that's exactly what the resident that complained probably said is why don't you do something as a city? So now we have one person being told they're wrong, one person saying that somebody else is being wrong, and is one more important than the other? You know, our policy says that when somebody gives us a uh something to look at as far as code enforcement, the city will go out and enforce it. You won't get a citation unless, you know, you're actually doing whatever they're saying you're doing. Typically, we always try to work with the residents. I think our staff does a great job on that as far as talking to residents and trying to, you know, make sure um we work with our residents. We're not just going out there and throwing out fines willy-nilly like that. Um again, if it's a year, it's a year. It is what it is. It's it's might not be what people want to hear, but at the same time, it's I'm not a big fan of code enforcement in general, but given I'm a council member and it's on the books, I have to support what's on the books unless we change it. And obviously it's if it's on the books, it's on the books. So, um, other things residents have brought up, you know, I've seen on Facebook, too, a lot of people saying they want splash pads, community centers, all this crazy stuff, too. Um, you know, all that stuff costs money. You know, some people say, well, they say they want a small town. In our town, we have both. We have people that'll say one thing, say another. So, we have to try to balance that and find out what's cost effective. um just because I want a certain thing and other people agree with me doesn't mean that that's what we do, right? We have to find try to find a happy middle ground. Um you know, we don't want to spend a bunch of money on on staff and and and code enforcement. Um or and you know, Tina, you brought up the promoting the meetings. That's another thing too is um sometimes promotion helps. I think I know when I started too, I came in very ambitious, wanted to, you know, promote the meetings, get more people in, get more people involved, and I've been doing that ever since I've been in um up until lately. You know, I probably haven't tried as hard because it does get tough. I mean, I've been traveling a lot, but it does get tough trying to get people in. So, for us to spend money or try to I mean, you could ask the school to do certain things, but the school is its own entity, completely separate from the city. Um, you could ask them to do some stuff to promote meetings, but how much money [clears throat] promoting meetings, too. Promote all this stuff and people still don't show up, then everybody turns around and says, "Look at how much money the city wasted on these stupid flyers or whatever." It's you're kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of thing. Um, so I just kind of wanted to throw that out there in response to some of the things that were said. Um, and again too, I've never heard anybody on the council or staff call ambassador a ghetto. So, I just want to clarify that that I've never heard it. To my knowledge, it's never been said by the council or staff. So, if somebody else did say it, then they did say it. But the city the city employees or council has never said anything like that. And I just the way it was being said kind of felt like it was being implied that way possibly. I know you did mention somebody else say that too. So, just want to put that out there. But, uh that's all I have. >> Thanks, Joe. Amy, >> can we grab that? >> Nope. Sorry. Um, I just wanted to kind of piggy back with what Joe said. Um, [clears throat] code enforcement is a tough one because if your neighbor doesn't like you, they're going to call and complain. Um, and but yet the same thing might be happening a mile down the road and nothing is said to them because that's that's what we do with code enforcement here. If we get a complaint, we investigate it. We don't go around looking. although it may have seemed that way at one point, but I think to your point um is it it shouldn't necessarily be anonymous. Um there should be some record that of who called. Maybe that doesn't mean the homeowner who got the complaint against them knows who it is, but there should be some record of of of because anybody could drive around and from another city and and make a complaint. I believe there should be you should have to live in a certain area. There should have to be a real reason that you that it's bothering the complaint the person complaining, not just I don't like this person, so I'm going to call and complain about them. Um, I do very much agree with that. Um, and but it it code enforcement is tough. Um, and it's a tough one for me, too, because I moved out here so I could have a little extra space and do what I want within reason. So, I have to believe my neighbor wants to do what he wants and within reason. And so, it's it's tough. It it it is tough. But, I did want to put um Joe started to say this, too. Um, the EDA does not do code enforcement. Um, and it was kind of implied that everyone on the EDA is all about code enforcement and um, that is not their role. I am on the EDA. Um, and I have never called your neighborhood the ghetto. Um, I do I I did hear it be said, but it wasn't anyone up here. Um, and so I agree with with Joe on that. So, um that um uh I wouldn't like my neighborhood to be called the ghetto either. Um so I I wouldn't like that. So I just code enforcement's tough because it's if it if it's looked upon as a income generator for the city, then we're doing it for the wrong reasons. And I I really don't agree with code enforcement being a a source of income for the city. um the the if there's a fee, it's because of staff time that we had to go in, we had to go do something, you know, that makes sense. But if it's looked upon as a a way to make money for the city, then we're we're not doing it right. So, I hope that's not happening. Um and so, um I guess that's all I had to say about that. But I did have a couple questions for Jenny. Um do we have enough election judges for August 11th? I mean, it's coming up. >> Um yeah, I've gotten quite a few applications. Um I think we're going to be okay. And I also have a list from >> from before >> well from every every election cycle we are given a list from the parties from the state secretary of state >> and I have to use that list and exhaust the people on that list which are already some of my old election judges that I've had in the past. So okay yes I believe we do have enough. >> Okay. Okay sounds good. And then um our new website where we get our agendas. >> Yes. it. Is it going to be where you can click on like item 11 and go right to that? Because this one wasn't that way and there was to what 261 pages to flip through. If I wanted to read about um um you know, city hall chambers rental policy, I had to scroll like through 261 items and pages. So, is that going to be >> So, um, Kate and I just discussed this. If you actually go on to the website and click on agendas and memos and then click your date on the side here, >> okay, >> it does show. >> So, you you are able to scroll down here and click on the individual items. If you download the packet, it does not. >> Oh, that's what I >> So, that was our old system. However, during my trainings, I was advised that if I have things that would make my life easier or requests from people to submit them and they will put them in queue for future updates. >> For future updates. Yep. >> Okay. >> So, because every city kind of does their packets differently um and they're a lot of cities are going to different agenda management systems or coming brand new. They've never had one before. um they're taking all advice on from city clerks. So I am submitting that to them. So hopefully because I missed that feature as well. >> Yeah. Right. And also we used to have >> where you could type in the search >> like and maybe it's there right now and I I didn't I didn't look at it um recently but I you know I want to remember you know something we did for whatever um you know just type that in and it would pop back up for whatever agenda it was a few months ago. Does that work? >> It Yes. So, this is when you click from the homepage, agendas and minutes. If you right here, it says search all content, you type in a keyword and it'll bring up anything that had that word in it. Um, >> and our past agenda are in there. Yes. So, all the way back to 2014. >> Okay. Okay. That's good. >> Anything earlier than that, you'll have to ask because I'll have to pull that out of the vault. >> All right. That was up. Thank you. Yep. >> Let's see. >> I attended the chamber meeting on June 17th and it was pretty a pioneer day wrap up I would call it. Darl was there as well and but I don't know how many people were here. 38 >> I think there was like Yeah, 38 people. >> We just kept bringing more chairs. >> Yeah, the the energy the energy is very high and they broke all their records. I mean I think you all know that. So just shout out to the chamber again. great job and they're trust me they're full tilt talking about 2027 so it's well underway uh June 23rd I had the Rber fire board meeting we did approve a preliminary budget it it does still have to come before us as a city to approve our portion do it in Bethl's portion of it but we did approve approve a preliminary budget which is high and may need to be tweaked down yet we we remains to be seen And then uh June 24th, 25th, and 26th, I went down to Rochester for the League of Minnesota Cities Conference. Cape was down there as well. And I know we've talked about this before. I know it could easily be dismissed as there's nothing in it for me. I can tell you right now, every single one of the sessions I attended, I walked away with at least one nugget. just some powerful things that I I think that we can utilize such as there was a city that was putting out information to their residents the same way we kind of do where it's just kind of a Facebook post or something like that. Well, they the same post when they did a funny little video of it first when they did it just with a regular face post, it was only like 4,000 hits. They put a little funny video, very short funny video with it and they had seven I think it was 74,000 hits with it. So just little marketing tools just there's countless examples a lot of conference focused on on what I would call constructive dialogue you know we're in a highly polarized society and there's a lot of negativity flowing around so a lot of the conference focused on that there's some really good information and then the third thing I I can't emphasize enough to I mean it it's not always going to work for all of us to ever attend the conference or whatever else, but I I just highly encourage it because one of the main things there I felt was you're building relationships and I had at least nine different conversations with nine different people that for instance just one of one of the maybe potential engineers on our highway 47 project had a great discussion with him, you know, and and you're you're building relationships Uh Ann, our lobbyist was there and Alex and it it's just it was a very good conference. The League of Minnesota Cities I I between that and going to my first training when as an elected official training, I think the League of Minnesota Cities does a very good job getting speakers that are relevant and and with points that you can take. So I'm just going to reiterate it one more time. if you get the opportunity, if you're free free to go to one of their their events, shout out to them. They do they do a very nice job and I thought it was a very I think I'd learned a lot from it. So, that's all I really have. Uh coming events, pretty straightforward. Uh anybody else got anything else? >> No, sir. So, I'm looking for a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll make that motion. >> Motion by Councilman Bonis. Do I have a second? >> A second. Mayor. >> Second by Councilman Robinson. Roll call vote, please. Jenny. >> Mayor Voggo. >> I. >> Council members Mbower. >> I. >> Bonis. >> I. Adv. Robinson. >> I. Meeting adjourned at 7:49 p.m.