to the for it stands one nation God indivisible andice for all all right uh let's see it does not look like anybody is here for Community comment you guys look like you're all here for an agenda item correct yes okay um we have no presentations and reports no public hearings can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda I move to approve the consent agenda a motion by council member Welch second and a second by council member pman all those in favor say I I oppose same sign motion passes we sure did not did uh let's do that sorry um I do you want to go go ahead I move to approve the agenda a motion by coun council member Walch I'll second and a second by council member Sarah any further discussion all those in favor say I I oppose same sign motion passes all right zooming right along when we go out in order uh up to business items 8.1 Carver Place the CDA uh project Miss Smith thank you Mar and Council it's been a while since I've been here no I'm having we'll talk about it later they're lovely thanks belong to Brenda the way you looked at her um Brenda gave me some advice today to not be wearing contact lenses and I thought I had pink eye so I did oh sorry Brenda kindly was a mother to me and said take your contacts out right now I did a virtual visit I do not have pink eye my doctor also said take your contacts out right now my glasses so thanks for that sorry now that we shared that right I don't have pink gu that's yes okay are we ready we sure are say all right thank you Mary council tonight like you said we're reviewing preliminary plat for a project called Carver Place which is proposed by the Carver County Community Development agency I probably mention them as the CDA throughout they are members of that team here so after my presentation I'll ask them to come up introduce themselves we can have a discussion with the whole group them knowing some more of the project specifics us going through the city process so again CDA throughout this presentation as the Carver County Community Development agency so looking at what our uh to-do list is tonight is review of just the preliminary plat so again staff presentation developer info discussion and then we are looking for Action by the city council tonight on the preliminary plat for card replace I want to make note that resoning is not required for this project so typically this Planning Commission and city council review those two things together rezoning has already happened for this project so I go through a whole history of the site but I just wanted to be say it loud right now resoning is not being considered it's just preliminary plat don't touch your eyes okay so where we're located the project that we're talking about tonight is highlighted in yellow so some landmarks that we know uh the big parking lot north of this is carver station so the project where Southwest buses run in and out of on The Daily we're just south of Carver Crossing north of oak tree so that's the lar development and then we are east of Copper Hills which was the mamy development right along JCP so this timeline is going to feel like your personal history for some of you because I know you were involved through a lot of this project but it has been something that we've been working on and towards for a really long time so I think it's important to at least highlight some of the major Milestones that have happened in the past 14 years to get us to the point tonight where we're considering preliminary pla for Carver Place so it begins in 2010 at that point the CDA purchased 36 Acres at the corner of Jonathan caror Parkway in Ironwood Drive their first iteration of the project on that property was the CDA offices City Hall so moving from downtown and 60 units of a multif family site so when I talk about those 36 Acres it's the area highlighted in yellow right now so the CDA owned this entire Corner in 2010 obviously it evolved some projects changed um there are new owners um but I'll run through some of that but when I say the 36 Acres this is the original highlight of that project sorry oh I think I went too far okay we're good so in 2012 the 2010 project did not move forward uh obviously but in 2012 they submitted for single multi family and then the park and ride facility so those projects become carver station which is the city- owned property for South post Transit Copper Hills which is the mamy development and then Carver Crossing which is the 68 unit apartment complex that we'll talk about throughout this project as well 2013 some of those approvals start coming through so the CDA applied for a PRD or a planned residential development PRD something we talk about quite a bit at the Planning Commission level a little bit here we talk about the resoning to that PRD I'll go into great detail in the next couple of slides but when I say rezoning is not required for this project is because it was completed in 2013 as part of a master plan project at that point cover station was sold to the city after we had been awarded the CAC Grant CMAC Grant which is the congestion mitigation air quality Grant through the Met Council and then the single family portion of that project sold mamy homes so looking at that area this is the space that we contemplated in 2013 for that R2 PRD so it's phase one of Copper Hills Carver Crossing and then the project that we're talking about tonight were Carver place and Carver Oaks will sit so to note on this map it's a large residential area the Green P there is uh Olsen Park which was considered for Park dedication for Copper Hills and then obviously just North the pi is uh carver station which is City owned property so let's talk a little bit about that PRD the details that are important things that hold true for this project so it was originally approved in November of 2013 at that point we're operating under previous version of the city's comprehensive plan so we're operating under the 2008 version of it and at that point the project property was guided for medium density residential which was 4 to8 units per acre so that was the Copper Hills site the Carver Crossing site and then this empty site that whole area was guided to hit four to eight units per acre so at that point the CDA owned 27 Acres so take out carver station take out infrastructure to allow for things like ponds streets Etc 27 Acres were left available for development so this is where we start to get into some Hefty numbers with ranges so day one we knew that the project needed to hit four to eight units per acre for the comp plan and there's 27 Acres left so take 27 by4 to get that lowest range you get 109 the highest range 218 so we've always always known the maximum number of units on this Collective site could be 218 units so that's where we start taking out the project as they had developed so phase one of Copper Hills was 47 which then decreased the range of available units remaining to 62 to 171 cover Crossing comes in takes 68 more of those units 103 remain on that site that we can develop based on the 2008 comp plan based on the 4 to eight units required for that density so the 218 total or the 103 uh that are left will get us to that eight units per acre per that comp plan so I know that was a lot of numbers that was technical an evolution of how those numbers started how they changed but working through that comp plan gave us the ranges and we continue to hit them with each project so cover place tonight is contemplated for 60 units 43 units remain of that 103 the CDA recently got some really good news that Carver Oaks which is a senior specific project that will be adjacent to Caro place was recently approved for funding so I'll maybe ask Allison to give an update when she comes up on the future project so right now we're just contemplating Carver Place the preliminary plat we're anticipating that a date in the future we'll be seeing Carver Oaks which is the 43 units of senior housing so we'll run through Planning Commission and city council as both preliminary and final PL similar to this process just for oops just for clarification because I have have my calculator out all these numbers they equal the 218 the highest number correct okay thank you so looking at that on the map again 47 go to Copper Hills that Madam me project 68 go to Carver Crossing 103 is left remaining on the site all good that was a lot of numbers okay thanks okay so let's look at our comprehensive plan so obviously the density was set with the 2008 version we're operating under our current 2040 plan designed Carver the density of medium density residential held true in that plan so it's continued to be guided that way so this project is still allowable under the city's comprehensive plan so you can see there on a map that's just a PDF it's a little bit darker but you can see that it's guided for medium density residential the property that's circled in yellow on the right so Aon the only way to increase we'd have to update the comp plan correct so that yep going back to the timeline we understand that PRD 2014 the CDA sold 2.1 acres for development of Carver Crossing they retained the additional multif family site the one that can have 103 units that we're talking about tonight cover place Oaks 2015 Carver Crossing approvals move through the city process 2016 Carver Crossing is constructed by Ron Clark and it's owned and operated by Steven Scott management so this project is going to look a little bit different with construction and ownership so the Carver Crossing was Ron Clark Steven Scott this project will be um developed owned operated by the CDA so CDA staff will be in this building I'm going to ask Alison to share some more information about that too when we invite her up about like Staffing how they office out of that space Etc so a little bit different of a project that it will be owned and operated by the CDA 2019 this is when we start talking about those 103 units Carver Place and Carver Oaks so that's when we saw our first concept plan of this project was 2019 at that point the CDA and City held an open house at Carver Crossing so we're in like the community space at Carver Crossing we met a ton of people from uh that building that wanted to come in and hear about the future project it was a really great open house it feels like it was a really long time ago I know a couple members of you were there just learning more and sharing information about the project 2019 the Planning Commission and city council reviewed that concept plan so you saw it in August at that point the project needed to pause due to funding so the CDA had a funding Gap that they could not overcome at that time so the project paused at that point the city continued to anticipate that the project would move forward uh we were in touch with Allison and the CDA pretty often just getting updates knowing that they were working towards funding just so it's been on our radar as a staff and something that we can continue to talk about in the community so 2021 uh related as one of the Strategic plan initiatives the city council request that we hold a housing Workshop so at that point we held a workshop with the CDA it was a work session um we shared information about this project and we also shared a lot of information about really technical terms when it comes to affordable housing so what's affordable to me is different than you based on our circumstances so we got into the nitty-gritty of understanding what 30% area median income is and 60% area median income so from that uh housing Workshop we adopted the housing action plan in 2021 that uh had some tools that we could use for to incentivize affordable housing the city council reviewed the fee waiver request for this project which is still active as part of it so we can talk any of those details as we continue on but just Milestones of the city council has hit 2022 uh staff in the CDA continued to work on this project and we wanted to keep it fresh in your minds so we had a project preview that hit the city council agenda in February so you saw an update of it and here we are in June no we're not in June 2023 uh the CDA we held the second open house as we continued on the project we recognized that a lot of oak tree was empty when we had that 2019 open house so it was important to continue engaging with people as they moved into oak tree which is the neighborhood directly south so we held an open house on site on a really hot day um on a property that has zero trees we all were out there uh again we met several residents from Carver Crossing we were able to meet one-on-one with residents from Oak Tree so at one point I I lost track of Brent for a while and I realized he was in someone's yard in oak tree like looking at a really specific angle of how the building would look so with somebody with someone else he was not was not in their yard alone but it just really allowed us to meet people where they were at like they were coming home from work they saw us out there we got some good feedback about the project 2023 they made application for the preliminary plat which is what we're reviewing now city council review sorry Planning Commission reviewed this request on December 14th 20123 and now it's before you at the city council level some information I'll continue to talk about but the planning Comm Miss is always required to hold that public hearing for the preliminary plat which was held on December 14th 2023 so let's talk about the plan how it's changed uh and how it's the same in some ways so this is the concept plan that the city council reviewed in August of 2019 this was your first look at the project uh this was the version of the building that had uh it was one building so that's going to be a big change that we talk about tonight we're now contemplating two but this was shared space for all 103 units so again it was 60 units for General occupancy 43 for the senior specific was shared Community spaces between the building uh frankly this was kind of a new idea it was exciting it was something that felt kind of magical if you could have General occupancy people um integrating with seniors as well unfortunately again due to the timing and funding we've had to Pivot a little bit but a project I hope the CDA can maybe pursue somewhere to have those shared spaces I think was a really interesting technique for sharing community space so this was the version you saw in August of 2019 the Planning Commission got a really big kick out of this slide so the two so this these are the two biggest ways that the project has changed so we unfortunately are not considering Carver Oaks tonight the senior portion due to funding so it's just uh Carver Place which is the 60 General occupancy numbers or 60 uh General OCC can see units and then the second Big Red X uh I don't know if somewhere in the Stars it was written that we would get some feedback from residents from Oak Tre but they were concerned about parking on that on the site just because their Lots back up to that so it's those are oak tree backyards we got a lot of feedback about Headlights like how are these headlights going to impact me in this parking lot when they turn into the parking garage headlights are going to shine into my bedroom what can we do about it this site sits up a little bit higher than oak tree so wasn't really an option the elevation made it tricky so although it was an exciting project to have them both together the updated version of the site plan solves that issue for us so the 60 units shift so there is no parking that's adjacent to Oak Tree so at no point will headlights be turning into parking stalls that will hit any of those residential units they'll just go to the building so a change um so I think that we can look at any project find the good and the bad and that's probably one of the really good points is that we were able to mitigate some oak tree resident concerns with the change in the building so again things to note cars will not route towards residential homes with the updated layout this plan also shows a second access on a heartwall drive which has always been contemplated as part of this project and then the shared common landscape space I know the people at Carver Crossing and some members on the city council love the Community Gardens that are on the site Unfortunately they will likely need to be relocated due to construction but it's anticipated to have a larger Garden area for the two buildings to share so I suspect that's a concern of a few of the council members but something that the development team and CDA are thinking about and looking to increase in the updated layout so an updated version again from the version you saw in August 2019 most significantly it split into two buildings so Carver Place is the east west building Carver Oaks is the north south again we're just contemplating Carver Place those 60 units in that uh east west east west building not the north south in Carver Oaks there's a view of it without large circles all right and moving into the plat you might be asking this feels like it's something that we don't need to do the lot already exists can't we build this building with just a building permit but since we're moving forward with Carver placing Carver Oaks as two separate projects Carver Oaks through the platting process will be held in Outlaw so it won't be developed we'll need to come back later through preliminary plat and final plat so the yellow dash line is where the property line is set to be between those two buildings look at the plat all right let's get into the things that people get excited about what it looks like so this is a view of uh looking South towards the building so oak tree is going to be behind the building here so you can see the Community Gardens the shared landscape space there's a landscape plan included in the packet as well as my slides you'll see there's a generous landscape plan a mixture of trees gardening Etc I think rumor has it there's some samples in the room so we can get some colors from the development team uh the signing is LP signing and Hardy Board so really durable construction material that will last a long time sorry Erin um who owns this centerpiece of grassy nol so the CDA will own is it the entire portion um can you come sorry thanks that's right we're almost there is the green light on oh all right sorry Alison strike the deputy director at the CDA um there'll be a cross easement with um actually all three Parcels that'll cover that so when you say cross easement so all so some of it is Ron Clark's land and some of it's ours like the lot line kind of goes right so you won't be working together each have your own little section of it no we'll have a cross easement with them that allows for use back and forth okay okay that was my question because two different entities own this so I want to know how that worked okay I suspect you'll come up with like a maintenance agreement as well so you won't have two different people mowing at the same yeah that's funny so I'm working on the cross easement with our attorney and I just whispered to Steve I'm like I didn't think about the G Community G they'll have to be something like I forgot about the Community Gardens so they have to be something additional that tack that pce of it outside of just the easement for me all right I just have a couple more slides so before we go to Allison we'll zip through and then we can open up the discussion okay so let's get into the nitty-gritty details car places 60 units it's 15 1bedroom 32 bedroom 15 3bedroom there are 95 parking stalls on site 70 of those being underground 25 in surface level and there's also indoor and outdoor bike storage there's also Ada accessibility throughout the building so some details from the city code based uh on the Carver Place project as well so it meets all the setbacks of the R2 zoning District so there no deviation is being requested from that R2 PRD that was adopted in 2013 so uh things to note 60 parking stalls would be required here they're offering 95 which is I think important especially with some of those three uh bedroom units but just something to note that there's adequate parking for the building again another look and then moving through what the floor plans are so uh the bottom is obviously the parking garage the first floor you'll see that there are um some Community spaces so a community room a fitness room conference room offices for CDA staff and Lobby and Mail Room uh something that is not super fun to talk about but uh semi- exciting is that the trash enclosure is in the underground parking so that's not something we need to think about uh just when we need to think about what a trash enclosure looks like this will be in the building tucked away so again not super exciting but something we should think about so you'll see on the first floor the mix of the different unit types showing the one bedroom two-bedroom and three-bedroom depicted with a different colors and then floors two and three so really similar again nice mix of each unit type on each floor and then moving into the unit so there are floor plans throughout the packet that show some layouts here is an example of the one-bedroom so they are true one-bedroom so there's no Studio units in this building so it's a true one-bedroom uh every unit has laundry and then the one bedroom uh has one bathroom and then moving into the two-bedroom it bumps up to two baths so again laundry two full bathrooms uh two bedrooms and then shed living space and then an example of the third uh three bedroom so units range with with the one bedroom at 700 ft up to 12200 ft in the three uh bedroom units so here's uh some more information about what the building will look like calling out different materials that will be used so showing the north elevation as well as the South so the bottom as if you're standing in oak tree looking at the building so that would be the back side of the building so can you go back so sure underground parking is a little exposed it looks like cuz it's into a little bit of a hill there correct so a landscape plan is included in the packet so you'll see that there's generous Landscaping throughout the property as well as along that property line shared with oak tree and then it's a mix of Scotch pine River Birch Black Hill Spruce and lyen adjacent to Oak Tree so a mix of overstory as well as coniferous trees and then lighting is something that we think about as well so as part of the packet uh we get a lighting plan so this is a really technical document that shows essentially the way that light will be on the site so it's measured in foot candle which is doesn't make sense to me in 2024 feel like we have to come up with something easier but you can see where the lights are on the property and you can see that light will not spill off the Carver Place property into oak tree or adjacent residential property so the yellow is the property line you can see all the light stays within again another look at the plat which is the technical planning document which creates the lot or car replace can be constructed some additional project details so we don't have a park planned for this area so park dedication will be fee in Li of land so the city will be getting about $244,000 into our Park dedication fund a traffic study was completed in 2012 so that's when we started to understand the 218 units for this site everything has always been contemplated at that number so at that point uh we had Bolton and M take a look as part of this application process take a look at that traffic study we didn't feel like we needed to reinvent the wheel there since we always assumed that this project would happen so they looked at the traffic study they affirmed everything continued to be true um something that was interesting through their review is that the traffic study always called for Ironwood and Jonathan Carver Parkway to be different to be full buildout so in 2012 they weren't they were much smaller streets so now sitting in 2024 2023 when we did the review we were able to look at that traffic study and everything worked because the full build out had fully happened both on Ironwood and gcp so Bolton M has affirmed that the 2012 traffic study continues to hold true that we've always contemplated this amount of traffic this number of units utilities were also constructed for full buildout and there's capacity available and the building will be fully sprinkled so this is uh the way that Carver Place will access into our trail system so it's not required to add much but there's a little sidewalk there that hooks into our grer trail system along JCP and then obviously into our larger system when you either hit Ironwood North or do Road South so a really easy way for them to access our trail system close to the bike racks which is also important so this project has been reviewed by several City departments so planning engineering legal fire and administration this project required a couple other reviews so since the project is adjacent to a County Road the county also reviews the project they came back and did not have any comments and then the Carver County Water manage organization or the ccwo so the CDA will be an applicant to the ccwo to ensure that they can meet all of their rules for construction so a separate process but review that's coordinated through the city process with the ccwo and that hasn't been done yet that still is so they review the project and then the CDA will go in for permit okay so similar to our process they get a set of plans they have comments the CDA goes back and forth a few times so they're actively in that process right now but they haven't applied for the permit yet okay so the public hearing was required as part of the platting process notice was mailed to Property Owners within 350 fet of the property so that's all sides of the property line it's not where the building will sit it's the physical property line it's roughly 65 homes as well as all homes in Carver Crossing which is the 68 units notice was also run in the CH chasa Herald on December 4th 2023 information was posted at City Hall the Planning Commission held that meeting on December 14th uh no feedback was received prior to the meeting and there was no one in attendance at that public hearing so the Planning Commission did recommend approval of the preliminary plot to the city council on a five to zero vote so one more look at the plat and I'm almost done and just a view of the building so Allison is already here if we want to open it up for discussion there's a couple other members of the development team I know we chatted a little bit about like CDA Staffing so if we could touch on that and then maybe have the building samples as part of our discussion as well sure welcome Alon hello good to see you thank you um do you want to give us an overview on CDA Staffing and anything else that's top of Mind from you um sure so right now our plan would be um so during the lease up and we're anticipating uh a six monthly sub schedule with our syndicator for this project um we would have a manager on site 5 days a week somewhere between four and 8 hours a day and then once the building's fully occupied it would probably be three three days a week between 48 hours which is typical of what we do um with all of our properties right now because we do like to have site staff at the main office um and then once cver Oaks um as Aon mentioned kver Oaks was recommended for funding by mhfa at their December board meeting so we will not be too far behind this project um we're hoping to break ground and cver place in mayor June and carber Oaks this fall um that site would would share a manager a maintenance tuck and a caretaker and then happy to answer specific questions that anybody might have about either project see ready go ahead for Carver Oaks um can you I know that isn't what we're approving tonight but out of curiosity what does that look like when it says Senior Living facility so is it is it staffed is it assisted what what's that criteria so it's um Independent Living um and a part of the funding that we're getting for that project is housing infrastructure bonds that has a specific set aside for 55 and Better Properties um so at least one adult household member will need to be 55 and older and then um part of the criteria is that the CDA has like services available for res like a resident service coordinator that can help connect residents with um Services um with the bigger picture is enabling um residents to age in place okay so but there won't be a specific person on fulltime because so there'll be a manager that will work between both buildings and then in addition to the manager we'll have a resident services coordinator but they won't be on site full-time no okay okay um can you talk a little bit about when people come to live at Carver Place um how does that look compared to uh Carver Crossing is it kind of the same Fe like payment structure um how does that work so uh it yeah it would be similar ilar so cover Crossings is a 9% low-income housing tax credit um deal uh cover place which is our project is it's 4% tax credits it actually has 10 different funding sources which is super fun um so we have a little bit of extra lay layering when it comes to some of our income requirements but um residents pay an application fee and a security deposit and then um based on what what type of income they have so everybody in the project needs to be added below 60% of area median income um then we further income restrict some units to 50% of area median income and then we also further restrict some of the units to households who are add or below 30% of area median income so what rent bracket you fall into depends on your income limit okay um and then Minnesota hosum publishes every year the max rents that you can charge based on where the income limits are okay um can you go back to the picture of the back side of the building I just wanted to take a look at that okay so Carver Crossing has patios and decks and this is when you're looking at the housing development that sits south of this piece obviously it sits up higher are there going to be decks or patios on the back side of this there will not be okay good not looking over into there will not be patio decks on either side of the building okay uh this question is going to be for you eron so when I was reading this and just help me make sense of this so I know how this is working so so when we had this first uh guided for the 2030 comp plan which was adopted in 2008 that was the 4 to8 units correct and then the 2040 calls for 5 to 12 correct so we're technically still in compliance with the 2040 comp plan even though the numbers have because it's four to eight correct 12 but we're at the maximum right so we're going to hit eight so the 20 the 2008 plan the maximum was eight our maximum now is 12 so we went from 4 to8 four to8 units per acre in the previous plan 5 to 12 in the current so eight Falls right between that 5 to 12 units per acre so we can say although this was initially at a 4 to8 we're still in compliance with our 24 correct yes um I think that's all I have right now thank you go ahead add a couple um so uh just for the CD how many other uh units in car County does do you own and like manage versus just Supply funding for uh so right now we have approximately 750 units so we have 10 other properties and um about 100 scatter sites which are single family and town houses throughout the county so this isn't your first one you'd be managing no and we own and manage all of our units okay um and then I guess this is maybe for you and Aon on on that again that Southside um I know some of the initi plot had the storm water Pond is that fairly secure and the location with the water management is that some of the things we're we're working through correct yes and then um also noticed that um some of the the trees along that side were the you know the Linden the larger again is that on purpose obviously to try and create a a barrier to correct when we are attempting to do like a landscape buffer of any type we usually do a of trees sure just because coniferus offers more screening early where an overstory tree can take decades to get to the point where it provide some screening so we typically go for a mix okay and then um maybe again more technical um when we split it into two buildings um are we sure sure we have enough space for the storm water Retention Ponds and that kind of stuff are are they still working through that right where is one building treated differently by the Water Management Authority or or the city in terms of you know so the ccwo has gotten the same version of plans that the city has so we know they know that both projects are happening but they'll have a similar review process so Carver Place and Carver Oaks will be reviewed separately as preliminary p and final P but overall we've always anticipated both okay both buildings a full build excellent that was all I had right uh any shared amenities planned between car in the future 43 units not connected does that so now no now that they're not connected unfortunately because of how the funding worked um I think our goal will still be to have some type of um coordination of like activities where maybe we'll invite folks from the general occupancy building over to the senior building to to still do some of the activities we thought we would do when it was going to be one building architecturally similar because they're so close and disruption MH yes Lor yeah I do have a few questions um more curious because I remember with um cover bridge the current senior housing that also has the assisted living and memory care they I had gotten feedback once that they wish they could have went three stories so you guys can go taller it looks like you go 50 ft but you're you're not is that just like that wasn't in your budget or if somebody asked me well why didn't they make it bigger you know there's such a need are you talking about the senior building the the one tonight not Carver Place Carver Place yep just Carver place that might be a jorgan I know there's a specific reason JG can answer that better than I can I Am joran brand with cson Architects I've been the one drawing this project and heavily involved for the past L several months and years so yeah um we kept Carver Place at three stories uh for this building it was based on what was um submitted in the previous rounds for mhfa funding so we didn't change the size or really the unit mix of the family affordable side at all from what we had previously attempted to get funded in the past and then in my working on it since I've come on of the project it was funded already so we didn't change the mix up from what Minnesota housing had approved okay yeah something else to note the height requirements that were approved so the maximum height in the uh of the building was 40t the building right now is 34 so an additional floor would likely require an additional amendment to that PRD but isn't that the part where if PRD 50 feet yeah yeah oh yeah you're right it is part of a PR you're right forget I said that we would run into the unit limit though right believe if we added another floor we'd have we'd exceed the density potentially yeah okay yep but regardless they don't have that's exactly it sounds like yeaha housing Prov and then I have another question on knowing that um looks that you'll be asking to to do the cover Oaks then with when it comes to the storm water facilities so in what I want to make sure is that doing the two project separate doesn't cost the city more money from storm water facilities or is that part of the developers agreement like if correct so they will need to construct the storm water facility uh it will continue to be on private property so at no point will it go into like a city-owned Outlaw so uh essentially we don't have additional costs based on the storm water for the two separate projects okay okay um and this and you can tell me this is too soon don't know pets are there maybe maybe if I knew more about the other um properties that you manage but um no we we do not allow pets except at buildings where we are required to um and those are generally federally subsidized projects where we are required to allow pets interesting wow okay service and companion animals are different from yes okay thank you those are my questions all right um I just have a list of question questions thank you for anticipating a lot of them and already answering them um so at first and Erin you were helpful with this the parking especially the service parking seemed light with the understanding that there is underground parking but I know that potentially and maybe not tonight on the coldest night of the year but potentially in the existing lotting caror Crossing it gets pretty packed in the evenings is there going to be any policing of who's parking on what side of the lot and who who's especially for the the uh surface level parking um so the CDA we use parking stickers at all of our properties so we I mean we'd be able to tell if if need be if we had concerns whether or not somebody was a CDA resident or not okay super um Community Gardens I know that Aon went over it at a high level but will there be a season because of construction that the Community Gardens will not probably summer yes okay okay I know that that's super important so if there's any kind of workaround understanding that it's going to be a messy site yeah just just looking at where they're located from Google um Google actually went through that parking lot Loop which was super helpful for us um unfortunately Carver Crossing's Community Gardens are probably just a little too far to the curb line of where the parking lot will be constructed so we'll have to shift them slightly but we've gotten our site plan moving those and constructing about the same amount of additional ones for this building as well so essentially doubling the gardens that are there great okay super um that'll be good news and then probably a discussion to have it a different day but I think from the city Side we should get creative and how we can help accommodate those folks with our existing Community Gard this summer when they um will be without um let's see can you go to the slide of the trail access I think it's in a lot of those areals does this work yeah um I see the on the east side I see the trail access to the trail that goes along Jonathan Carver Parkway but will there be sidewalks on the entrances to Heartwell no the Heartwell side the road does not have a sidewalk currently and we don't plan to construct one to it because of the grades kind of coming down to the pond there okay that seems like a Miss to me because I'm thinking of kids walking to school is there an existing one on that exit to the north you can see it in one of my first ones I don't remember if it's exists or not yeah yeah I think there is there a sidewalk out that way yep okay okay that'll um here does it lead to Heartwell then yeah there's a sidewalk I sure I just wasn't sure if there was okay talking right that's just the one thing I'm just thinking of you know elementary school kids will clearly walk to harb Elementary but middle and high schoolers if the bus stop is there I just want to make sure that they have a safe way to get to the bus stop and we're just at preliminary plat right now so we can continue to explore that okay super um let's see you answered and anticipated my question about the ETA for Carver Oaks um and for the timeline for this project um the only other question that I have for you is what is Ami for our area in 2024 um sorry that's 100 100% of Ami right now I think is about 118,000 so is that for a family of for a family of four correct so 70ish th000 75,000 for 60% of Ami for household for okay super and then obviously it depends on how many members are in the household so okay if it's one person it's less and then with the Ron Clark there was an agreement that it had to be affordable for something like 30 years if memory serves I know you had to mention of it in the packet we took we took points for extended affordability so ours will remain affordable I mean the CDA maintains everything long-term affable but part of our points with mhfa our regulatory agreement is 40 years okay super and that tracks for uh the city council reviewed the fee waiver uh for the project so uh waving the connection fees for a portion of this project part of that needed to be that the project would be affordable in perpetuity so their requirement of the 40 years meets our requirement of that fee waiver as well okay super that's it for my questions I would like to Pigg you back on we talked about um the sidewalk possibly coming in can there there is no Tot Lot any longer between these two buildings right if we went back to the original plan there was the senior living um the other units and then there was a Tot Lot that was planned in there so there's no longer any Tot Lot that's going to be included in this part of the project between those two there is not because the the community park that's right across Heartwell meets the requirements for mhfa for a Tot Lot okay then that doubles up on the sidewalk issue that's a long Aaron can you please go back to a like an aerial type photo sure thank you is that helpful uh yes yes so when we're looking at this Where the Sidewalk Ends and if we are expecting kids to walk around to get to that Park we're asking a long ways I'd like to I would like to see sidewalk to give them dual options if that's going to be their park true location and well with that we'll probably have to be careful of the street Crossing then because that's a mid block Crossing yeah I'm not sure if we'll come up with a solution that feels perfect but we can definitely explore some options okay great I'm good we're good we're good all right um without that I would entertain a motion I I mov to adopt resolution 13-24 approving preliminary plot for Carver Place right we've got a motion by council member Welch I'll second and a second by council member pman any further discussion all those in favor say I I close same sign motion passes right thank you oh a little late but you brought the samples I wanted to see those have some samples yeah updated color scheme same materials as were shown in that rendering we just changed the colors a little bit based on what's available to us in our are area right now so all from James Hardy all pretty neutral colors can you tell me what we're looking atting yeah so we're looking at the siding and trim color and then the foundation block color so what you see at the back of the building cool it ties in with these so it kind of all Blends together we did a darker tone on this one for kind of the bottom half and it kind of gets lighter as you work your way up um it's a mix of lap siding and Shake siding so looks like Cedar Shakes um that's kind of this lighter beige tone okay um and yeah those are just used as accents but it's pretty pretty traditional looking building to kind of fit with the neighboring houses has touches kind of that maybe Craftsman accents that kind of goes with the neighboring homes so very cool thank you for bringing in the samples definely not a requirement but absolutely bonus points for being able to see it and make it a little bit more tangible yeah it's nice to see the colors we're planning yeah especially when we're looking at a Green Building to know that it'll be a little bit different than what we're looking building I like the green I think we liked the green building until we saw the actual color not so much that particular green wasn't available in the options so we we had to Pivot okay sh a pivot thank you thank you guys um all right moving on to item 8.2 fire hydrant tampering ordinance Mr Anderson thank you excuse me War years and jail minimum right this the water water the water Pate thank you guys thank you mayor and and councel um so yes I provided a summary in the staff report for this item um you'll recall in November at the second meeting there was some concerns raised by both the council and staff about people tampering with and using the city hydrants without permission um a number of concerns come from that obviously we don't want people taking water without paying for it that's one um the other thing which to me is more significant is they don't necessarily know how to effectively use these um devices and hook up to them without causing damage and so from a public safety standpoint it's important that um that that doesn't happen and so this is a very straightforward ordinance um as you can see it prohibits anybody from using City hydrants tampering with them drawing water from them uh without permission from the city um and of course violation like most of our ordinances would be a misdemeanor under state law that's means up to 90 days in jail up to a $1,000 fine or both and um what I mentioned in here as well is that you know if something were to happen where someone were to do this damage a city hydrant get charged with it um the city could also pursue restitution in criminal court and I know the prosecutors and the court system has usually been very um sympathetic to those situations has and done what it's can to make sure the city's made whole so that's um while not specifically addressed in the ordinance that sort of restitution would be also involved with any with any prosecution so again it's a straightforward ordinance um we don't even have a summary resolution because it's so short we can just publish the the entire ordinance um there's really no cost savings and doing more than that and of course I'm happy to answer any questions from the council oh the one thing I'll point out too on page two of the the staff report I know staff located some markers to put on fire hydrants that will notify people that look these are City hydrants you can't use them you can't connect to them and if you violate um you can be prosecuted hopefully that puts people on notice of this I don't know why it's it's customary or common for um people to do this but you know we're trying to change the narrative and and scale back from that becoming a or being an ongoing customary um practice so um again happy to answer any questions my only question is if we're looking at these uh fire hydrant Rings how I mean how many fire hydrants is that how much is that going to cost I think by the way special thanks to Brenda good for finding those um I think we're gonna we think we started talking about maybe like getting like 100 or 150 and doing uh the ones that are you know in more of the remote locations and then overtime building but I think was the number like 10 to 15 per uh if we order more than a 100 the price drops down to 775 each okay okay that's that's great and I mean let's be real we're talking about higher construction areas right because we have less people there during with you know open construction and that's where we're seeing probably most of the problem correct okay yeah I imagine you guys know the hot spots in town for stealing so um yeah thank you for anticipating my question any other questions I have one question um it references that if somebody wants to they need to get written permission except for city employees just so that I mean I don't want anyone to you know get that permission but maybe there's some like really outstanding circumstances how do they do that just so that I don't want to say okay you have to ask us support in writing and then it's not clear how to do that even though it could possibly turn be turned down I think they could contact anyone from the city I me obviously um you know the phones are on at City Hall during business hours so if there's a Bonafide need for water for some reason a normal yeah they would reach out to the City Public Works does it have to be so formal like a yeah we probably wouldn't that in the ordinance but you know my thought would be those instances will be so few and far between that we don't even need to worry about yeah letting people know um it it probably would be a situation where water was needed for some random reason in a location and there's going to be City personnel out there already looking at it and so they're going to be part of the process I don't even know of a a good example but there could be situations we have a bulk water machine at the uh public services facility on Jonathan Carver Parkway so in like 99 9% of instances that would be the recommendation okay the language in the ordinance just covers you know this 0.1% of the time where there might be a reason for the city to allow that in our best interest and so uh we wouldn't necessarily establish a form it would be by contacting public services or myself and uh working through that issue okay thank you if there's maybe if there's a special event happening happening somewhere and there's a hydrant nearby and they're they're using water something or or a dum tank I I don't know but you know there's ways that permitting would get them through that process too so um to to Brent's point I think the 0.1% is probably not going to happen very often and we'll just have to deal with it on a a I just want to give the feedback thank you for bringing this to us so fast because it just hum meting ago that we talked about it yeah thank you for being able to react so swiftly to this I feel like it's a really s thing right the water yeah the water pirate act the water pirate water pirate Act of 20 but like but here we are we wouldn't be talking about this if it wasn't an issue and unfortunately it seems like super benign let's just tap a hydrant and it'll be fine but it's causing some really significant issues with our water system so um I am not kidding when I say I would love to see four years in prison but that's a probably a little bit heavy hand um but I I appreciate you being so reactionary on this um with that I will make a motion to adopt ordinance number 01- 2024 an ordinance amending chapter 32 of the Carver City code prohibiting non-authorized use of fire hydrants lovingly referred to as the water water pirate I will second Eric came up that term to him a motion by Mayor Johnson a second by council member pman any further discussion all those in favor say I I oppose same sign motion passes thank you thanks all right Brent strategic Plan update yeah thank you mayor and Council excuse me in your packet as our uh first strategic plan score card update from uh 2024 just kind of um really getting after some of the things that we did at the tail end of 2023 of note is just all the work that we did related to uh the long-term financial plan and the work along the county road 40 Corridor I think that the biggest piece that I'd like to share um and get the council thinking about is uh the impending Community survey and how that intersects with strategies related to community engagement and communication um there um is an endless amount of paths you can go down as it relates to engaging with the community and I think as we've talked about before that's more of a journey than a a destination um and going through some of kind of our recent issues where we've had a lot of high contact UM it feels like anecdotally a lot of folks still appreciate kind of like the paper mail and that the digital gets kind of lost in this Endless Sea of um opportunities to engage whether it's social media website what have you um and so I'm asking a series of questions on on how to get information to folks um you know getting maybe better line of sight on how our newsletter is viewed and other types of information um but preaching of the chir here as you know when it becomes a issue of significance um any kind of failure or learning on how that communication or engagement was done can quickly become the center of the issue and so as a you know staff and team you know we want to make sure that we're responding quickly and efficiently uh but the mechanism to you know have that communication delivered is also critical so this kind of maybe more of a commercial and thinking about you know what types of questions you want to ask um as a council to get that feedback so we can build a future communications and engagement plan so when we did our strategic planning session didn't we socialize an app no we talked about an app um I think the everything that we have geared was towards building um a plan and an app could be part of that it was discussed um but our plan is to kind of build whether it's an app or whatever other uh Vehicles you use is to build it as a part of a comprehensive of plan that gets at kind of all of it sure well we talked about reaching people where they are yes correct typically this is where they are yes and we and Brenda and I have done some research the uh the platform that we're moving to for kind of the mass email system that's also our website vendor as an app um and so uh um we've done a a webinar on it with them or kind of a pro product uh review um it's a little on the expensive side so we wanted to kind of package that as a suite of options for the city council to consider whether it's in the 2025 budget or going forward because ultimately there'll probably be a number of things you'll want to consider and then prioritizing that looking at what might have the biggest impact um or you know some of the next steps but uh those are those are the highlights happy to answer any questions or uh if there's any clarification pieces you want to ask related to a certain topic happy to answer those as well any questions I have one go ahead CHR um under responsive development so the targets we have the number of jobs um increased from or 23 2023 to 2026 so it says 67 employees are added in 2023 I have to laugh because when I first like went by that I was like I was like I wonder how this reads to other people that's what it was like you know I obviously know we did not hire 67 employees but I just was wondering how that read to anyone else who looked at it um so if there's some type of rewarding you want to look at for the future we it do add jobs jobs sure sounds good um and then on that how do you no how do you find out how much I ask so you just a new company comes in you say how many people are you hiring yeah so a lot of um commercial parking calculations are based off number of employees so it's part of our review okay thank you um I just uh had a question on the community survey that was a little bit before I joined so what what is the timeline for that just quick 30 seconds yeah so it's the I can't recall if it's your next meeting in February or your second meeting uh but the city hired uh the Leatherman group so Peter Leatherman uh who does almost every Community survey in the Metro for schools and cities uh it's a fullen survey he'll come out and do a presentation on kind of all the intricacies of that along with kind of a a ballot of test questions or sample questions and then uh the last time we went through it the council just had suggestions for tweaks or ads or deletes um and then we came back with a second draft and then um they conducted the survey and then reported the results um kind of in a macro and then we produced a residence guide to that and so um what's exciting um relatively in a relative term about this is that we'll have a data set from three or four years ago to compare as long as you ask you know at least in some instances the same question so you can measure success or opportunities for a growth do we have a Target and we want to have the survey out to Residents or selected like when phone I know when I guess when would they start the phone survey that would be all based on kind of the direction and once we finish the question okay yeah I mean Peter will be able to answer those questions based on you know uh when we we make when we finalize our questions and then how we Q in the order of uh other surveys that they're doing it's a relatively like short window though I mean they get it done pretty quickly okay thanks any other questions all right um monthly reports anything on yeah I just have uh I asked you know the city had quite a bit of an engagement related to uh the community park and the skate park removal so I uh Erin and I been talking about it and aon's been doing some just kind of preliminary research and background on the issue so asked her to kind of summarize those comments and engage the council and a little bit of a discussion so this is you know normally this would be like a work session item but because that kind of got scrunch we kind of rolling it into this session scrunched thank you mayor and Council so I want to start off by giving a little bit of information of how this came to be how we got to the point we're at right now so uh monthly we have a Parks meeting so it's a group of uh City staff so it's me Brenda good Natalie Meyer uh Eric Madigan who is our Parks lead Paul Schultz who's our uh superintendent Brent Chad so a large group of us get together every month to talk all things Parks so we talk about things ranging from when is that Biff going to be replaced to uh this new project is coming in we're starting to work on this park what do you all think about it so at the November Parks meeting we got some information from the public services team that the skate park was in disrepair so it got to a point where they no longer felt like they could get it to a place that felt safe to have residents on it so the skate park that we had was 20 years old primarily made of plywood uh it's outside all the time so plywood that's been exposed to the elements for that long deteriorated it wasn't for a lack of attempt and trying by Republic Services team it just was really old equipment that uh had lived its life in the city of Carvin was used pretty heavily so uh I've learned a lot about modular skate parks in the past couple of days so uh my first Contact was Jonathan Nelson at Bolam he does a lot of our Park programming uh he works across the Metro so he was able to give me some feedback about companies to call other people who have done recent projects like ours uh through that I learned that not many people are doing modular skate parks anymore so there's one company that offers the service it's F American ramp company every other skate park is moving to concrete or the version that we have in Ironwood so getting these ramps is starting to be a little bit tricky so the company that we originally got the pieces from is no longer in business which also limited the amount of repair that we could do so at that point the skate park was removed it was uh posted to Facebook and we got a lot of Engagement which is great that's the thing a lot of people could look at that and say like dang the city got so many comments about it like that's helpful it gets us to having conversations like this um it also tells us what's really important to people in the community so reading through the comments uh largely just messages being shared of disappointment because it's a heavily used skat park that's something we know to be true um when we worked at the fire station it was our front yard so I saw kids on there all the time it was kind of scary sometimes but those kids were killing it so I reached out to American Ram company which is again the only company that's offering these modular ramps at this time um and they gave me a ton of feedback back I explained where we were at uh the equipment that we had how long it had been outside and they were a little bit shocked that we've had it for as long as we have and that it's usable they shared that the equipment that if we started today it would it should have only held up for about 15 years so credit to our public services department they were doing work to keep it up but it definitely lived its life so uh the American ramp company looked at our park they put together some numbers for us a rough estimate is 125,000 to150 ,000 to essentially replace the skate park that we had that's using the existing slab it's just the elements that would be added to it so we don't have a budget for that in 2024 but a conversation we're wanting to start at the city council level is wondering if we would like to include something in the 2025 budget at that point uh should the council move that direction we're looking to get some feedback from the parks Advisory Group just to hear from them uh learn from them a little bit about the process too to figure out uh like were there other ways that that we could have communicated this like the message hit a lot of people in a way that they came to us disappointed where um like how can we share that information better how can the park Advisory Group have that information to be advocates for the process so looking for some feedback from the city council if you'd like to continue exploring that idea saying yes tonight doesn't mean it's automatically going in the 2025 budget but will give us direction to continue exploring the idea work through some ideas with the parks Advisory Group so so again American ramp would likely be the group that would be providing the service at about 125,000 to 150 just for reference Ironwood Park the park that we just completed with the new skate park the concrete version which was done by a group called spawn was $280,000 Park dedication was able to be used for that amount the 125 to 150 would not be eligible for Park dedication so it's not operating in maintenance once it's taken out tell me how it the park dead won't work for it it's not a new feature it's replacement of existing infrastructure mhm okay Dave's looking up do you have a different idea I oh look at I would love to think so I had a so what about the park in general when was our last like Community Park plane do we have other like the playground equipment is that getting towards its end of life as well I mean yeah so presumably we added the new one um in roughly what 20145 I think that was one of my last projects in 2015 and over the that's not the bigger one that's the smaller one right and over the summer as we moved to the 10-year Park plan I gave a presentation about the different Parks uh the city council was tasked uh putting us in the direction of either replacement of the shelter or the playground the council said uh shelter at that time so that's the the direction we're going to start going down so our Parks team does maintenance on all of the facilities they do rounds they check the equipment to make sure it's safe and operable so Community Park the playground doesn't have any concerns right now so it's generally in shape that's usable can I pause read Dave's thought about Park dedication made me want to think about I just want to make sure I heard that correctly so the issue is can we use Park dedication for the new equipment not for maintaining the ex cuz it sounds like the existing equipment is dilapidated and it's you're it's you can't correct you can't fix it or maintain it y um I just want to confirm but I I might think I I think we can probably use it for that sort of thing I mean yes it's similar equipment but the prohibition in the statute and I just pulled it up to make sure I was remembering it correctly is you can't use it for ongoing operation of or maintenance of existing facilities but when we're to me if you're replacing equipment that's new equipment and so I would argue that's not maintenance that's providing a new amenity and if that equipment is now gone and unusable I think the argument is so I I i' can look at that a little bit more and decide if I feel comfortable with it but let's pause it because I want to talk to you about something outside of this room but something to think about that's fine but I would like our City attorney to legally tell us whether that is for sure if if he says go that is fantastic yeah it's a that's the difference in my mind because we're talking $150,000 okay one second a lot of money regardless of where it comes from but it's a lot of money in a 2025 budget so if this project can be funded through Park dedication I want to be really clear that we also have other Park priorities so we're not planning to do this work right now we weren't planning to spend the $150,000 so uh we started looking at Lions Park to do the tennis court so if you'll remember the 10year parks plan we showed the condition of the tennis court we're looking at converting it to pickle ball that's slated for 2024 I think at around $300,000 so even if it can come from Park dedication we have some priorities that we also need to think through like uh we're starting to track for Creekside Park which is the DNR Park there's a $300 $300,000 match that's required at a park dedication we're starting to think about the downtown park so I would just ask that as you start thinking about this number think about where it falls into park priorities for you too to say if we can use Park dedication taking that $150,000 might push the downtown park a little ways away just because it's taking funding from something we're already starting to kind of conceptualize on our to-do list when do the car replace Park dead hitting our so a time of recording so depending on when final plaque comes in give a your best guess uh April or May okay so is that already included in our planning that we have like is that budgeted in our future yes Park plans yep okay so it might come back as Park dedication it might not but something that's important to us is knowing is this a priority do you want us to continue the conversation what should it look like and I think it is it maybe it is something that we look to something else gets pushed back a little bit we've heard from the community on this right so I think it's definitely worth looking into all the funding avenues that we can and seeing what we come up with maybe it's a question for a community survey because like respectfully I I appreciate the folks that we heard from on Facebook and that's absolutely the kind of Engagement we want I'm sorry that it made folks feel like there wasn't a discussion um available to have I think we learned something from it but I also think you know we heard from maybe two dozen people out of 6,500 people in the city of Carver so I it's always relative right but I also think it's fair to say that we I mean we on the flip side say well we're not always monitoring Facebook so we don't always respond to everything so I think we should expect that from the community that they're not always monitoring everything that comes on Facebook either and outside of the fa the Facebook I mean I've heard from many people Grandpa yep I've heard from many people um just verbally who have talked to me about it or who have texted me about it that isn't that isn't something that came out as a as a message or notice on Facebook so I was say I think we should definitely add it the list of Park projects but I'm not sure where it is on priority of you know versus funds for other you know Future Park development but but I think we should like chrisy said we did get response so it is definitely something that is used and would I would like to see it replaced I just you know Erin just trying to balance it with the other Park projects but I definitely think we should anybody else oh sorry ER I would imagine there was going to be some cost to repurpose for something else we did that corre correct yep we were exploring ideas of like maybe having a Leisure rink there out so another ice skating rank or pickle ball potentially well I've got a soft spot in my heart for this because it was the first project I ever worked on City with Christie when I was in my 30s I wasn't even in my 30s yet Eric um and you know it certainly is a a heavily utilized City asset so we should at least given some attention I hope I hope data comes back with the that we includ future so just um what I'm hearing is that the council's interested after maybe Dave does some research and like having a work session conversation about you know just kind of um running back that Parks presentation and under understanding how our Park dedication projects are aligned with our capital projects I think on timing we just want to make sure we don't as a staff get in front of the council that if there isn't some type of informal alignment on the skate park that we don't get a bunch of community members excited and then put uh unintentional pressure on the council to like make that choice so I don't on timing you know it'll probably talking maybe the next work session yeah I I can get you an answer quickly I don't want to give it we don't five minutes so like the next work session and then we just need to know like you know and we can we can think on this until your the meet your next work session but like you know would you how quickly would you want aing to engage if that ended up being your priority or do you want to use the community survey as part of that inform formative information um so just a couple things to think about but we can start with packaging some Parks information and Dave's um information into Erin's presentation for the February third work session that's a Saturday Erin did they that's a Saturday no that's not gonna work but 6th fifth 33% okay did you could have just agreed and Let It Go someone might be interested in the next meeting now okay did the supplier give any idea of of lead times on Skate equipment it's not like water infrastructure six six to n month right or well so we would be contemplating we'd be contemplating this in the 2025 budget so we have some time since we've already engaged um I have a contact there he sent me some examples so okay all right anything else FR all right Council updates I have had no Southwest Transit meetings so update Lori I've not had any meetings other than here inflection match inflection go ahead chy yeah so our HPC meeting this month was cancelled as well um I do want to mention that uh the soy bottom is coming up for our snow golf tournament fundraiser on Saturday the 27th so the last Saturday of this month it's down at Riverside Park um this will be our final Soggy Bottom we have decided to retire the event after the 15-year Mark so if you haven't been there or if you have been there you should absolutely come sign absolutely come this year um because again you'll be able to celebrate the the last one um we all know that this event was started by Mr Greg aerik and a couple of other folks um I came in as just a helper at that point um but I've been doing it with for 15 years I did talk to Lori aerik about it so she is aware that we will be retiring this um she's going to do our best to stop down also so um come down you don't have to register to play you can come down and have a beverage hang out by the fire um hats be for sale and what was that will hats be for sale yes so hats are part of your registration or you can buy one for the exact same dollar amount $25 Christy is my witness you do not have to play golf you go down get a hot dog get beverage hang out by the fire and still have a lovely time yep exactly thank you great uh I have no updates all right um a few quick updates from me um if you are even the smallest amount interested apply for a commission not you guys you can't um but um trying to reach out to some folks and make sure that we've got a robust um applicant pool for commissions those are due uh next Thursday which is the 29th is that correct that applications are due I think they're due by the 29th okay the 28th City ofc carver.com for details um let's see um couple of meetings we last uh Monday January 8th I had a Regional Council of Mayors meeting heard from a futurist and heard from the executive director of global Minnesota really interesting um after presenting in front of the lower Minnesota River Watershed District I followed up actually the the chair of the board followed up with me and I followed up with him and I always offer folks who are interested in our Levy project like come out to Carver see it let's walk the levy um we did that last week so Joseph barzone um came out and we talked a little bit more it was before it got cold so we were able to walk the levy um and showed him what we're talking about to make this project that we can PowerPoint to death really tangible um so potentially have some really cool opportunities to have um kind of a Next Level partnership with them more details to come um being intentionally vague um let's see uh leag of Minnesota City's day on the hill is Thursday March 7th um for those who haven't attended it's always a fun day to go out and meet with with your legislators um I in the past handful of years have used it as an opportunity to kind of further and remind folks that we're still looking for money for the the levy project um but it's also just another really good League event so um mark your calendar um speaking of um I guess all things St Paul today um it was kind of breaking news on the evening newscastle Governor Waltz um proposed a bonding bill of $982 million with with nearly half of that going towards um Shoring up existing state infrastructure from what I was able to tell it looks like he has 6 million dollar for the cost share grants um for the dnr's flood mitigation program which is where we've received our money from the state so far so um that seems like a low number to me given that we need three million dollar of that um but as I think we all know that there is still a lot a lot a lot of horse Trading that takes place in St Paul between now and the end of the session um let's see I did want to make a request um I got an email um a woman who lives um in Spring Creek reached out to me um saying that they hadn't received email for or I'm sorry hadn't received snail mail mail um for a number of days because somebody was parking in front of their mailbox um I checked with Brent it seems like another one of those like really logical things you don't park in front of mailboxes but we don't have an ordinance prohibiting that so there's no teeth and other than saying like hi could you move your car um so I wanted to see I don't know Dave if you were able to follow up on that if that's something that we can do yes some cities do it there's no state law that prohibits it um so it would have to be in the city's parking ordinance which we looked at just if you remember year or two ago um to update some things and added some language but we could add had a Prohibition on you know parking in front of people's mailboxes you know my thought would be the prohibition would only a couple of the examples that I looked at uh it only applies you know on mail days between like 8:00 am and 600 p.m. when mail is delivered there's a there's a window of time when mail is delivered so it wouldn't apply on weekends it wouldn't apply on you know uh federal holidays when mail is not delivered um but that way the city would have some if people called and complained about people blocking mailboxes because obviously um it can be frustrating if you can't get your mail I guess I never knew what what the postal workers did I didn't know they just blew by your house and didn't deliver your mail I thought maybe they would get out of their car but maybe when it's Five Below they're less willing to do that um I think the woman who reached out to me said that the postal worker put a note on the car but okay they still didn't get they actually have like a a like a form I believe that they use like it's card put on there says no I don't think it's just a handwritten one I think they have something that they put that says you're blocking this move you aren going to get your mail so the I guess the bottom line is if the council's interested in adding a a Prohibition in your parking ordinance about that then it would be a petty misdemeanor like other parking violations where someone could get a ticket and have to pay a little fine if they were to do something um in violation of the ordinance we're happy to put that together and bring it to the council for a future meeting and consideration um I'd look for the council for guidance on that I would like to see that do I have support on that I have one question before we go to that um Erin this is probably for you so a lot of the new developments do they have the cluster mailboxes or do they have a single mailbox per it's mostly cluster mostly cluster okay because I worry a little bit about some of the you know the narrow lots that we have so we don't have to worry about that they're generally cluster okay then you yes my only concern with that and I get the reason why do it the mail delivery takes place kind of all times a day and now it does extend to Saturday and Sunday because USPS delivers Amazon on Sunday so if we do that we're going to block parking kind of all the time does Amazon go in a mailbox or does it have to be door can it does yeah they contract okay so not that we shouldn't explore it but it's a wider range of hours yeah and it's a you know it's a really targeted I heard from 30 people but it does seem like I thought it was going to be an easy answer for this resident of like yes absolutely that's in code 31- 34987 you know um but it to me it just seems like something that should be restricted I get it that the limitations might be hard because yeah you're right I have gotten home from Council meetings at this time of night last as recently as last month to see the mail truck delivering but I think well we also think people know better and won't do it I I think one of the other reasons it probably doesn't come up a ton is because first of all usually the male vehicles are pretty small so they can maneuver well but also mailboxes are typically right next to your driveway so if you're blocking the mailbox chances are unless you're you know off the driveway that you could be blocking a driveway to so typically people will leave they'll you know common courtesy is to leave a little space there for the mail but so that could be another reason and you know in a city that doesn't have have a lot of overly excessive on street parking issues I think it's it's fitting if you're interested in an ordinance to consider it because you know if the city maybe had you know all kinds of problems finding on street parking and you're always congested with in that respect maybe it would be less enticing but um I don't get the sense Carver like that maybe there are certain areas where on street parking is more more common than others but um you know that's a policy call so I I would support I I do live in Spring Creek and our mailboxes are clustered I think it's like five or six mailboxes per little stand so it's not you know like a mailbox every 20 feet or something it's you know a mailbox and then a good I don't know 40 5050 feet between them so I doesn't seem unreasonable is the bluff still single like mailboxes per you per it's not always a single there might be up to four okay but they typically are right up to somebody a little self yeah no no that makesense always got someone be yeah I think yeah I think it's just again the unreasonable case if someone's parked there for three days right I think we should be able to get a little teeth in there okay I hear three people saying yes we're Happ to take a look at yeah forward with it okay um let's see I think that is it for me um big kudos to Brenda and Michelle and I see you guys scaring around during a meeting I know you're working especially hard and I appreciate you guys tonight so thank you um with that I would entertain a motion to ATT return I'll make a motion I don't get any of them tonight I can I make a second yes okay well wants to stay here later so we this we got a motion council member pman and a second by council member mck all those in favor say I I oppose same sign motion passes good evening everybody thanks