right it is 7 o' I'll call the meeting to order please join me forther allegiance stes of America to the for it stands one nation under God indivisible and justice for all all right can I get a motion to approve the agenda please I'll make a motion to approve the agenda we've got a motion by Eric second oh I'll give that one to Joy second by Joy um any further discussion all those in favor say I I I oppose same sign motion passes um all right Community comment um during Community comment presenters are welcome to address the city council for up to five minutes on minutes not listed on tonight's meeting agenda specific requests for information may not immediately be available in which case followup will occur with the presenter sometime after the meeting the city council should not be expecting to immediately act on requests however they will follow up accordingly and May schedule items for future consideration have anyone here for Community comments on up evening how are you doing good good if you could sit down uh make yourself at home make sure the green light is on and if you can introduce yourself and share your address that would be great well good evening evening everybody I am Scott lenthal and I reside at 1885 Mount Hope Road just up on top um I'm your neighbor to the water treatment plant which went real good and um my concern here is um the speeding traffic on Mount Hope Road um I've been after this um for quite some time calling into the sheriff's department um actually talked to Lori about it already and Courtney uh tonight a black Tesla come through there probably 50 55 miles an hour it's coming off a chasa Boulevard my concern is there's no miles per hour side until you go down by the cemetery then it says 30 so I've taken some drives around Spring Creek Drive has a speed monitor by the mailboxes over there it tells you how fast you're going and I think um Mount Hope Road should have one of those too um concerns are tonight families out for a walk and eight out of 10 people have a a puppy and toe plus the kid kids something's going to happen people one of these days up there um I didn't get the license plate of that Tesla but I just pointed down again and um people have flipped me off um it's sad um I moved to town here with Debbie zelman who is the owner of the house there but um we just love Carver okay so I want to bring that attention to you um I think the water treatment plant adjacent to us would be a good place for that sign it's not on anybody's property uh it would be equal to the Spring Creek Drive situation Spring Creek Drive has 20 M hour sides through the curves there in the new residential area I think um Mount h Road deserves at least the 30 coming off a chasa Boulevard because they're picking up the mph to get home or wherever but um it's very concerning all winter long and um again here this summer now but um hopefully something can be done and squad car could park over there on your city next adjacent to the cemetery and have a Heyday seriously it's um I come from a small town of Plato and um something did happen there years ago and they have signs into both sides of town so I'll leave it up to you and um I really appreciate open ears um that's where I'm at with it but um I don't need any rebuttal I'm not going to get all wound up on it but it's something that just give us the sign there maybe to slow it down a little bit okay sounds good we appreciate you reaching out to me Scotty we have asked our deputies to to monitor that area so they're working on it yeah and you know the policemen through the the deputies have pulled in the driveway what do you got and I said well it's it's a speedy night again they said we just can't be here you know and then that wasn't one of your you have a city uh situation here where maybe one more could work it out but yeah we're that's a whole another topic I know I know yeah so but you could gather gather some money there but um hopefully we can crack it down a little bit or you know tell people somehow in the your nice mail or two to take it easy up there but yeah we love Carver Debbie and I I just want to highlight that it's been a very friendly area National Night Out so awes okay thanks Scot appreciate you sharing your concerns I have a question related to this um when we're talking about Spring Creek are you talking about is there a electronic sign going through Spring Creek and where is it because I can't picture that in my head uh there's a digital speed sign for eastbound traffic I would say uh think is it Birch that goes north and south or malberry Birch about 34s of the way down uh for eastbound traffic as you leave this original Spring Creek neighborhood so that sign was purchased maybe five years ago it originally started um on the North side or going eastbound on uh Fourth Street West and then we moved it over to um Main Street uh West and then we moved it over to um um Ironwood Drive going uh westbound toward the school and then I would say about a year ago we moved it to Spring Creek Drive okay so is the intent to keep moving that around um I would say there's probably an opportunity there are you know based on not just Scots concern there have been a number of folks that have I mean I would anecdotally speed is the number one thing that folks are talking to speed and stop signs and I think as we all know it's um you have to catch them right and so it's part of like enforcement and it's part signage I think there's an element of uh security that folks find in those digital speed signs so I I guess I would offer I think we were in line to get some Public Safety funding from the state from this legislative session that we as a staff come up with maybe a more comprehensive plan and say okay um these are the areas that we're going to um Target if you will uh for digital speed signs and so um because I think without I would say an overall plan you know if we just move it to Mount Hope the folks that are on Spring Creek are going to be upset and I think we also need to have some type of strategy because I would if we could put up a digital speed sign on every Street in the city I think folks would be fine with that um but I think when you talk about there's a common theme of the roads that I already mentioned you know Mount hul Spring Creek Ironwood are all what would I call Carver kind of collector type roads and so maybe if we could start kind of similar to like the Petway station we develop a kind of a pilot program and say okay we're going to start with these three or four locations you know and you know these signs are a lot more than a Petway station I know they're three ,000 maybe ER in um they Petway station is like3 to $500 so it in any they're going to be they're typically solar powered which is a benefit I mean you can get ones that are hardwired but they're quite a bit more but long story short um we can do some analysis in the interim um I can work with Chad to see if we have just a maybe a speed sign just a regular speed sign in the interim and then if we're able to get a digital component with a larger Citywide plan maybe that's what we can do long-term but shortterm just adding a 30 mile per hour speed sign right on the water treatment plant property for southbound traffic right actually it would be both directions probably because that would be Northbound traffic on the Water Treatment Plant side yeah you're going down the hill they're coming in off Tas a bolard picking up that Max Speed and let it be known by WBLS and hammers across the street you know we got couple dipy Doodles there it doesn't seem to bother the people so my concern is coming off a chasa Boulevard you don't see 30 mph until you're going down past the cemetery yeah so we can we need another I don't know who resides next to Randy and Steph wble over there but that would be immediately sure that would give some teeth pardon me for law enforcement did you see that sign you know you got to have a sign there I think otherwise y so we do that and then uh just sparked another thing the uh Chad and his team have been working Aon Schmidt's helped out too there's uh the I should know his name now but the property owner escapes but he lives right Randy kemnetz uh has uh some evergreen trees and we've worked out an arrangement with him to kind of create a better sight triangle at that intersection if you get to Spring Creek in Mount h Road and you look uh South some times it can be hard to see cars coming from town if you will going towards Chica Boulevard so there's going to be a tree trimming exercise probably in the next month or so that'll help things there uh because I think scottty you're right there's that combination of speed and then maybe an obstruction is you know and that's a it's a pretty heavily traveled pedestrian way to get from Lions Park and that trail system into the Spring Creek system so some good input we can take I appreciate it um great prow out there the night and um that's what makes Carver so nice you know we we enjoy where we're at but we need a little protection we got to make it safe for those folks wanting firewood too so you caught me byebye from you good good thanks Scott that's it's been so nice but um I have seen the basketball dribble out of a driveway and you know that's when it first started six seven months ago and I'm just eyes on so thank you everybody night appreciate coming got it anybody else for Community comments um all right then moving on to presentations and reports item 5.1 is the certified Levy project update Mr hubner welcome back from duth good evening Mr Mayor city council City staff it's good to be back although that was some nice air conditioning up there it was 20° cooler off last week than it was here it was beautiful so Carver's going to or uh Carver Aaron Schmidt here assistant city engineer of Carver is gonna do you want to start all over again yes okay good evening how are you I'm doing fantastic mayor city council and staff tonight we're here to tell you uh give you an update on our Carver Levy project we've had some significant um changes in funding since the last time we met and just to give you a little background on where we're at we're still currently um hit the next one there there we go uh we're going to give you updates on a number of things tonight uh funding update project delivery and work plan updates communication and then some next steps so the first one is uh really just want to reiterate that the levy project is being undertaken to um correct a number of deficiencies in the Pro in the existing Levy try to get it enrolled back in the army corve Engineers U voluntary Levy program as well as get it certified by Fimo both of those things protect the residents and the property owners in uh the city of Carver from losses and damages and then also if there are damages in the future that the Army Corps would come in and play 80% of any any future issues associated with flooding um we have about 55 properties behind the levy and currently there are lots of limitations on redeveloping those properties property improvements uh and then also the restrictions and needs for purchasing uh flood insurance which is not an inexpensive effort for individuals so I'll give you an update on some key uh fact key things here March 2021 we received $300,000 in funding from the Minnesota Department natural resources that was 150,000 from them and 150 from the lower Minnesota River Watershed District uh in July 2022 we received notification of 2 and a half million in federal uh funding assistance and we have an fully EX executed agreement on that and we're probably 80% of the way through our environmental uh reporting on those federal funds so we're hoping to still stay on track for a September completion on the environmental review which really hinders what we can and cannot do until that is approved um we received notification of the $6 million in bonding from the state bonding uh bill this year um actually I think we got uh is this the one that got General o just general funds I think it might have been yes so we may have fewer restrictions 69 is what I remember yes and I I believe this was taken from the general fund so we'll as soon as we see the agreement we haven't had that tonight we're hoping to have a resolution for your consideration um we just got the actual file number today and we should see the agreement shortly just going on a little bit so now we have 8.8 million in funding um Third Street Bridge Project also was funded with this bonding applic so Third Street we'll come back with another update or actually Aaron will give you an update on that project schedule here shortly uh so we'll have a number of things going on together along with the Miriam Trail project so there's there's going to be some activity and we're going to try to talk about scheduling how we minimize impacts to uh downtown Carver here as we move forward in construction and we'll get more details on that as that progresses uh we have a Pursuit for an additional $4 million request into the federal uh Community project fund fund grant program that went in uh in the spring and then we just requested another 3.35 million uh from the Minnesota capital budget request that went in two weeks ago two or three weeks ago um so the local just to give you an update on the local match obligations when we started this project in wa I want to go back to 2016 2017 it's got to be back in that time frame when we first yeah started this we knew it was going be a marathon and not a Sprint thank you um the uh the local contribution from the city of Carver towards the Minnesota dnr's flood mitigation grant program was $2.2 Million uh we had a census update since then in 2022 and that uh local obligation went from 2.2 to 3.5 million um we have actually met our local contributions of the 3.5 million and the way that we do that is it's any contribution from outside the state of min inota so the $2.5 million from the Federal grant funding is acceptable as that local match we had the 150,000 from the lower Minnesota River Watershed district and $850,000 from the city of Carver uh 50,000 was Cash uh towards our preliminary concept plan and then $800,000 was in lift station improvements that you already had completed that the DNR uh agreed are acceptable expenditures toward this project uh so therefore there are no additional funds required from the city of Carver at this time uh to to complete the project I'll leave that to Aaron to uh so I wanted to run through the uh funding um breakdown just to make sure we all understand what's happening so the cost estimates currently we have broken the levy into three different segments we have a West segment so that's west of Spring Creek and that's about 2.8 million the east of Spring Creek uh segment is about three million and then both sides of Spring Creek through the downtown areas is about 6.3 million and then previous uh lift station and S storm sewer costs in downtown Carver were 850,000 that gives us a total project cost of 13 million now that is an increase of a million from the last time we were here and part of that increase is to account for that 850 you already spent because our previous estimates did not include those dollars in them um so we wanted to make sure that we accounted for for those in the total project cost and in addition uh there is some inflation area since the last time we updated the numbers uh so where we are today is the DNR uh has contributed $6,150 th000 uh the eligible loc local match items um from the city of Carver and other funding partners are the low lower Minnesota Watershed District the federal grants and then the previous uh city of Carver lift station and cash contributions uh that gets us to three point gets us to to our total of shy uh Gap that remains of $3.3 five million so and for that 3.3 million we have a request in for four million from the feds and 3.35 from the state of Minnesota so if we receive a combination of any of those funds we should hopefully be able to close the gap and as I'd mentioned previously uh once the DNR starts a project they try to fund it to completion before they move on to the next project so we are in a very good position with the Six Million allocated to Carver this year and I'm also in conversations to see if there is additional money available uh as there may be some of the other funds that were allocated that are currently not planned for existing communities um so they might be able to slide some more money towards the city of Carver but I'll let you know if that happens okay so I get to talk about all the fun stuff now so how we gonna how we going to make this project happen so um lots of things have already happened as Todd's alluded to but um now that we have this funding um to work with it's really starting to make us think about how do we bring this project to to a reality so um as Todd mentioned um we're working with the dni right now to execute the grant agreement um just got that paperwork here very recently so hoping to bring that back in uh either the July meeting or August meeting to kind of bring that final Grant agreement um final resolution to execute that that with the state so that'll be one of the first things you'll see um we're currently working on the environmental reviews um so the environmental assessment that's required for the Federal grant um funds so that's in progress right now um we should be bringing that to a close here by September is our goal so that's that's really key after you get through the environmental reviews is when you can start um doing other things with that money number one you can start requesting reimbursements so right now until the the EA is done we can't actually receive those funds so that's really critical path right now is to get to the point where we can actually start being reimbursed um by the Federal grant program for the work that's being done so after that happens um we'll be able to start spending the spending the funding um summer of 2023 so public engagement is something that we kind of haven't done too much of lately um now that there's funding again and the project has legs we want to get the excitement going again with with the city in general with the with the community so um the efforts for this the summer are really going to be informing the the community again about the project um get the excitement going so I'll be talking about that a little bit more in a bit about how we're going to do that um then and then next is design so um really honing in on construction limits um that will help us establish what easements will be needed for the project so getting through the preliminary design phase uh into final design is really going to be the technical engineering part of it that'll be happening over the next many months um and we're targeting by fall of 2023 so in in the next several months we'd have those construction limits locked down so we can start looking at any appraisals for um property values or easements would be needed and then looking at that actual easement acquisition process throughout the winter and spring months um this coming winter and spring so um as that's going we'll be continuing with final design and construction documents over the next um this next winter and then the goal is by by next summer we could actually have a project that we could have bid documents ready for either a phase one construction project depending on if um no other funding is received in this next um in these next Pursuits that we talked about or if we would receive additional funds we could possibly bid the whole entire project um by next year so Brent okay uh Erin would you mind I don't think we have it in there but just share with the council as it relates to the schedule your coordination efforts with Scott Cony on the Miriam Junction trail just because these projects could end up kind of being side by side literally and figuratively so here yeah for sure y so we've uh we've worked very closely with the Scott County Mariam Junction trail project they're actually kind of going through a very similar track right now they're in the the heat of their environmental review processes they're working on Final design as as we speak also so they their thought is they could possibly have a project that'd be ready um shovel ready and bid by next spring so um and possibly a tree clearing contract as early as this winter so depending on um some of the some of the uh endangered species items and with like bats and such you can't clear trees During certain times of the year so they're suspecting that that's going to be the case in which they look at clearing trees even this winter yet so that's all best case scenario I'd say but um they are they're planning on moving that project full steam ahead um per se so yeah we're we're working with them closely um the the bridge will touch down on our Levy itself so coordinating literally the X Y and Z of where that touchdown is going to be you know horizontally and vertically on the levy is a big point to get right so um we we're working with them on that we've had discussions with the Army Corps of Engineers about what's going to be allowed for that bridge abutment and that kind of stuff so that's all stuff that's in motion now and we're continuing to advance that so with that being said as Brent alluded to um that piece of the main river Levy I'll say east of Spring Creek so from the the pedestrian bridge at Spring Creek East um up to cases that'd probably be a logical phase one project area if we were going to chunk it up um just because it would complement the schedule at the trail project the trail Crossing so um and then you know phasing or staging and and such could kind of complement each other in that area too so lots of moving pieces but um those discussions are being had actively so any other questions on that questions otherwise yeah I I'll get into other okay topics but any any any schedule questions any questions on the schedule are you going to go over it later what does phase one mean so phase one I'm just referring to that as a phase one construction project so if we were to phase it into multiple pieces because of the funding because of funding yep purely because of funding so if we if we had all the funding if we were to get the 4 million from there's there's going to be one project got it okay okay thank you so ideally that's that's the case what does that mean we can scale this up scale this St based on oh for sure and I remember when we went through it it was very modular is not the right word I'm looking for but you know it can be phased but I just wondered if we knew what that definition is but if you're saying it's really related to the funding piece of it I get it as much as we have money y we'll scale it up and down as we for sure budget yes thank you okay okay well then I'll get into engagement so this is something that I'm working with Nicole krowy on so she's she put um lot of time into thinking about engagement for the summer um we're like I said we're keeping it um very informational right now we're not really requesting input on like design components at this time it's more of informing the the community of this project is real again you know we're we're moving forward with these things so really getting the excitement up again with with the project so we're going to do that with a few things um um sidewalk stickers and signage along the corridor so I have some pictures of what that would look like but basically um just being able to snap a picture with a QR code and bringing you to the project page to learn more about what this project is all about um Sandwich Board in City Hall you want to put one downstairs um obviously getting the website updated and keeping that up to dat with real time updates um press release already happened for the for the funding but you know some some updates on social media as well so really educational nature is what we're targeting um then when we get into the fall and winter there's going to be more resident engagement one-on-one when we have to talk to them about specific you know construction limit issues um questions like that and then getting into the land acquisition piece of it so that will be firing up but it won't be for a little bit yet um and one of the things we have to do there is we would' like to get on the work session schedule at some point to start keeping you informed of what we're looking at for easements and property acquisition so you're aware of what the limits are and give us some direction on on where we're headed and the options that are available for some of these pieces yep and then lastly stakeholder engagement um we've already we started having meetings again with uh key stakeholders like the DNR Army Corps Scott County with the trail project Carver County parks so those discussions are are going to be resuming again and um really bringing them along um the whole way so you can work through issues together you know in tandem As you move through the design process so so here's uh just a couple of the examples so the one on the left is the the sticker that would go on the sidewalks and then the one on the right would be just the the boards that we could put up along the levy system um at key locations you know maybe maybe in in Depot Park and um and tugbo park that that that sort of stuff so that's just an example of what those would look like you can see the QR code there and uh the picture on the right here is just a sandwich board that we plan to put down in in City Hall so that's kind of the engagement piece in a nutshell for really getting things going here again in in the summer um so as far as Next Step start in the engagement uh continuing to pursue the funding plan uh project design and easements getting getting the construction limits and easements honed in on here over the next six months and then continuing with our our agency partners and in working through the the design process together so that was a lot of information um but we'd be happy to to talk through any any of those items in more detail right now so questions comments I don't have any questions um only only a comment that what I I love that there's already the plan about the communication and engaging the community but any tree clearing even if we have to communicate it early and often just so that it comes from you know all of us or you know the different agencies because sometimes just perception or if if that just gets too much attention from a different Source yeah we we plan on coming forward with a tree clearing plan and having those conversations there will be a significant number of trees removed as part of this project and that's the the message we want to send um at some point we we may even go and mark them so folks can just know which ones are coming out and we really don't have a choice in the ones that we're taking um they're required not to be in the levy envelope that's not an optional thing that we can do or allow um we can plant in other locations if we're talking with some of the residents uh outside of our project if we decide or the city decides that's a mitigation measure we can certainly have those conversations but we'll come back with a plan and we'll show you what trees are being taken at some point it'd be good to to walk the levy and showed the whole impacts and some uh representative sketches of what its finished product will look like so we've already flown it with the Drone and at some point we'll have a a rendition of of what it looks like and we'll come back with options before we do that so the council can weigh in on that and look at what type of stakeholder input you'd like on that process as well we're actually having an internal design sh here in the next couple of weeks just to clear up what we've done look at some of the options and how it fits and with the Third Street bridge now being reconstructed how that fits into the to the levy and making sure that all the pieces come together and the timing works out well for everything we want to minimize the impacts downtown as much as we can I would say that in the Miriam um project we are discussing their access routes and we're trying to keep them out of downtown um mainly trying to get them to run on the levy from Depot Park down towards Riverside Park and then because they'll have to have a significant effort on this side for driving piles and setting Bridge piers and those types of things uh in the river so there's going to be a big disturbance there and a lot of trucks hauling in and out want to make sure they stay off of our main roads or try to we've also asked them related to council member s's question for a community engagement plan recognizing that we won't be driving the bus if you will on that but also recognizing that we can't tell our residents it won't suffice to say well that's not our project so we want to take a leadership role and say we need to be kind of arm in-arm with you with your engagement plan so that we can navigate issues as they come up from both sides of the river no thank you for the response chy I don't have any questions we're going to have a lot of discussion up months and years um this is a huge community and I'm just thankful for everyone that's been a part of this and forward um I think everybody in this room potentially knows how excited I am about this I appreciate you guys um all the work you're doing because you're right there are a ton of moving pieces with this and it makes my head hurt a little bit to think about the coordination with Scott County and the Bridge Project and the property owners and all that kind of good stuff um I am thrilled to hear that we're finally getting to that part of the process where we'll have shovels in the ground and I think um we all know up here that construction is hard and painful and long but I think um this is going to be a really good project uh when it is done um I also think that that Communications piece is so important because we've been talking about money for a long time and have shared oh we've received this Grant and we've received this Grant and it's still going to be probably what 14 months before we have shovels in the ground at the earliest so I think it's important to keep kind of pushing that message out there making sure that folks know um what's going on you mentioned that um flood insurance is so expensive and while you were at the beginning of your presentation I was looking up it was in the packet this week how much we spent on flood insurance for the city owned property that's in the flood uh plane Church by the river and we spent $3,799 so that doesn't buy us anything other than protection from floods so when I say exorbitantly expensive an annual premum I believe so um we're talking about four grand 3800 bucks so thank you for all your work appreciate you guys coming tonight thank you thank you thank you thank you um all right moving on we don't have any public hearings this evening um can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda we have a motion by council member Sarah I'll second and a second by council member mman any further discussion all those in favor say I I oppose same sign motion passes um all right moving on to business items six Street West to Hawthorne Ridge Trail connection Miss thank you mayor and council tonight uh we are looking for approval of a contract for a trail Connection in the city of Carver so as we all know 6th Street is looking great after its reconstruction uh We've identified a trail section it's on the screen right now circled in red uh this is our current trail map so if you've been around town lately and you've seen our new Trail signs you scan that QR code it takes you to this map which hopefully helps introduce you some new to some new trails in Carver but General location of the project we're looking at tonight is in that red circle and a plan sheet that bolt in the M put together so 6th Street you might be asking why are we looking looking at this separately from the project so six Street was reconstructed using state aid funding and this portion of Trail was not eligible for those dollars based on The Rustic nature of the trail um frankly the topography so going into the site is pretty steep but consistent with the trail system that we have in hawthor Ridge so not dissimilar to the trail system we have there but largely a connection that we're missing at this point we anticipated this project as part of the overall six Street projects there are budgeted F funds in the overall city project budget for the trail connection so some photos we were proactive on our approach uh for the connection to 6 Street it's lagging a little bit it's coming but if you uh have noticed on Sixth Street there's a trail to Nowhere right now spanning from lywood Parkway down to can you I got kicked off the internet again this happens fairly frequently one second all e okay so on the screen now uh the path to Nowhere essentially so you'll see that we have the trail infrastructure to get into this portion of the trail that we currently couldn't construct using State A8 dollar so this is um lywood Parkway standing at the corner so Carver Ridge is in this area looking towards downtown the same area you'll see where the pavement ends for the trail that's where the trail would hook into the system into the huan ridge site and then the view of us the trail going up behind the retaining wall so the general area where the trail would Connect into the bigger system so again the plan sheet uh some pictures so you can get an idea of where we're looking and again tonight the request is to approve a contract for roughly $60,000 uh$ 59725 for trail construction from Sixth Street into the hawthor ridge system questions any questions no is it a so Miss Smith it's not paav it's just continues correct lines up with the other Trail that's grapple right see k no um I don't have any questions I think this is great and much needed and Trail connections are always a good thing we can check one thing off our strategic plan it's connection there we go well you can in just a minute so I'll make oh yeah sorry um I'll make a motion to award and approve a contract with JD Construction in the amount of $59,750 for the extension of the trail from 6th Street to the Hawthorne Ridge Trail system got a motion by council member mock I'll second second by council member mcnight any further discussion all those in favor say I I oppose same sign motion passes all right thank you um eron let's go back to the item from the planning or from the work session uh the zoning ordinance update thank you mayor and Council so just a quick uh refresh for anyone who's joining the meeting now uh during the work session that we held this evening starting at 5:30 we discussed uh the planning commission's work on the zoning code update so some work that the Planning Commission has done I've gotten their General feedback on some significant changes we would be changing in the zoning code and looking for just a general councel thumbs up thumbs down don't touch it I'm not asking you to make a decision tonight just because the Planning Commission will do some of the drafting to bring you a more finished project than where we're at right now but I don't want to invest staff time Planning Commission time on things that you feel are feudal and something that you wouldn't be able to support at a city council level so during the presentation we talked a little bit about L lot standards Zone regulations straight zoning versus prds and then accessory dwelling units so I'm going to go back and uh take those one by one just so we don't open it up for a full discussion that could get pretty jumpy around so the first uh step is thinking about our zoning districts so on the screen right now we have our typical R1 and R2 districts for Carver Chanhassen chasa Victoria Waconia um something that's interesting I would say is that we are zoning uh most frequently to our R2 District but that often comes with a PRD so planned residential development or a deviation from our standard zoning code the deviations that we've been seeing for the past several years are taking the minimum lot size from 7,000 and plummeting them to roughly 2500 usually so the Villa product which is in uh oak tree Meadows at Spring Creek Brookview River Bluff Estates so that's a thing that we're doing pretty commonly so what does that mean for our zoning District should the R2 zoning District plunge really low for our lot size so we don't have to do a PRD to get to that number when we obviously feel comfortable resoning to that anyways with a PRD and then the S and 1 half side yard setback we've been doing that same thing going down to five which has been common in those same projects so Meadows Brookview oak tree and River Bluff Estates all have that Villa product that have requested that sidey setback reduced from seven and a half to five I wouldn't say we're dissimilar by any means I think a lot of cities are seeing that same product that Villa Market which um Dave will probably roll his eyes at that's not like a real term necessarily but it's the detached town home so typically an HOA maintained lot that is smaller smaller setback smaller footprint can mean more affordable but often these Villas are uh definitely have some higher end touches hitting a different market usually an empty nester that is looking to downsize a little bit so looking for some general feedback about square footage of our lot sizes and our side yard setback I will say um I meet with the other uh Community Development directors pretty regularly with these groups and it's something we're all grappling with I'd say we're fur this along in the process so we might look kind of radical if we're first but I don't think we would be the last to make some of these changes just because we're inherently rezoning these properties exactly the same with the PRD process instead of just saying this is our R2 District where you could develop at those same levels so looking for some general feedback again no decision to be made tonight but just general feedback that can help guide the Planning Commission work just clarifying one more time for because this slide because there's no titles on these so the second one is the proposed the bottom one no so the top is R1 that's our low density residential district and then R2 is the second one R2 is the okay thank you yeah and then a going from left to right it goes minimum lot size minimum lot width uh front yard setb back side yard setb back rear yard setb back this is what's in the code but when we put in the PRD it can kind of be whatever correct so I think um I'm fine with that what really um made it clear for me was that map that you demonstrated the use of prds in Carver and we're using them um I venture to guess in absolutely the majority of the the developments that I've approved since I've been sitting in this SE since I've been sitting up here um and almost almost all of them so it does seem silly to put a PRD for everything when it looks like we should take a closer look at what the restrictions are um and what the market is wanting for these residential districts um it surprises me that we're living in a world where we're talking about homes that are five feet apart from each other 10 feet apart from one another that's not something that I would necessarily enjoy but it's selling and it's selling well in Carver and for different life phases for different um reasons folks are really enjoying it and there aren't blocks and blocks of vacant Villas in the city of Harver so um I would say take a closer look at what the market is driving for these instead of throwing on a PRD to all the zoning areas there would so I'm I'm fully in favor of simplifying right and not doing so many prds or really making sure why we're doing prds right want to get something out of it like you mentioned that's proba I'm probably going to your second bullet I'm all for that too that's okay they're very similar but just to kind of put it in context it's still an R2 District so there's still a density limitation correct right so even if we were to plunge these numbers for the square footage of lot there's still a limitation of density that the developer could put in that R2 R so there there still are some walls around this it's just we I think allowing a little bit more Simplicity and not requiring trying to get to a stage where we don't require a PRD for everything we're not having unique districts zoning districts for everything and just getting some more commonality right can I get a little clarification on what you're seeing so you're and from Aon to so you're seeing that although we may let's say we shrink it down to this much you're seeing there's still minimum lot size there's still a density right maximum that can only be done in the R2 right so for our comp plan we have the density requirements that's kind of the guard rails for each district so hitting that R2 which would be the medium density would be typically five to 12 units per acre so you have to think um like netting out certain portions of a project so like Brook viiew felt like a really big property that we were developing but you net out that entire Bluff area the street area so the actual developable land is not overly large so the density wouldn't support 60 units on that project because the developable land is so low so we would still always need to follow within those guidelines of our comp plan Yeah just something to kind of keep in mind so I'm I support trying to simplify this I have a question okay so in a PRD doesn't that give the city the ability to negotiate for something we need or desire from the developer and would we lose we lose that if we just go to straight and um what's the balance there so yes the PRD does allow you to negotiate our city code currently doesn't support that very strongly right now so I don't have anything in our PRD section that says to get a PRD there needs to be some win for the city necessarily I'll also say in our zoning code we could inherently increase language about buffering so you wouldn't have to have a PRD but we could have language that says for a rezoning project you need to have some buffering technique whether that be a landscape BM a fence landscape trees Etc so uh yes in a PRD you do have that negotiation but we also have the ability to have a more robust residential section of our city code that would get us some of those what I would call wins just inherently in our Redevelopment process all right so I want to talk a little bit more about um this development in the past 15 years and the PRD so I know that Mayor Johnson noted that you know they're selling that's what we but is it it's a little chicken in the egg here because that's all we have on the market our homes that are that close together that's all the people are going to have available to purchase so I have I mean I hear from people who you know have bought homes up there well I mean it's close to the neighbors but it's what's out here it's what we can buy there isn't anything else really on the market we know that there's a shortage of housing stock in new houses but also Carver is cheaper than then let's say Chan Hassen might be or something like that so I feel uncomfortable with the fact that these houses and to me this is very technical are looking like they're getting smashed in there and when we say that we are looking at these and the well are is the developer we're saying well this is what the developer wants what does Carver want I don't the developers are going to come because the land is here and people are going to buy homes what does car want to look like do we want to look like we have homes stacked on top of each other where you can reach out and touch your neighbor at any time um when I look back to the developments here the most of the ones that are before PRD now even the Bluffs I was surprised to see that one was a PRD and obviously there's some differences in how those prds get worked out um but most of our new development is coming in and the Met council is requiring three per acre correct and so where where do we stand right now with our density levels as a general hole for the city we're above three per acre right do you know what that number is off hand I would say a hair above three because last time I thought I'd heard it was maybe like even three and a half 3 six I'd say that feels a little high little high no okay um yeah when when we're deviating and this has been something that I've always wonder why are we why are we having these come in as purities why are we letting these come in purities what when a development comes to you just to help with my understanding where do we rather than just saying this is zoned this we say okay now we can we'll look at a PRD what triggers you to even say yes let's look at a PRD I wouldn't say that I say yes they come in for preliminary PLA and it's a decision that the Planning Commission and city council make so you could look at it and say we're not interested in doing a PRD at this point historically looking at our track record we approve prds if if a developer comes in and says is your city council favorable to them our answer is yes because historically you have been and I just want to make note I hear what you're saying but the lot sizes are minimums so that doesn't mean someone could not come in and put in a 7,000 foot lot if that's what the market is asking for that if that's the project that they want it's just lowering it so we don't have to do a PRD for some of these projects we're already seeing so it doesn't pigeon hole to say you can't go above this number you need to fit the density requ requirements so you need to be within those guard rails but then within that it's just the minimum that's changing we're not putting a maximum on them at all but the to when I'm looking at developers because they're there to make money they they want to get in make their money get out so when we're looking at that um although it says you know this it's just a minimum which is correct it is just a minimum um they're going to go as minimum as they can because the more they can pack in the more money they're going to make so I I just I have a problem with looking at these setbacks that are five feet that is that is hard for me I can't I can't look at Carver in the future and say well we allowed this because the housing market was tight and the developers were making Buu bucks off of it and it's what they wanted again I want to look at what does Carver want to look like what do we want houses that are that close together up in in all of our neighborhoods coming in it works now because that's all that's on the market we have side for some so um like Timber Creek all of their minimums are seven and a half throughout the single family preserve is seven and a half um both Dr projects so Meridian and Hawthorne were seven and a half so do we have a villa that's 5 feet have we gone that yep Brookville Meadows at Spring Creek oak tree River Bluff Estates okay yeah five really small small and that's a small area and I'm really not in favor of going smaller um for those side setbacks couple other things I want to mention um when we're looking at the detached accessory units can we pause you want come back to that perfectly fine okay so I think I appreciate looking at this and trying to simplify things and making things better but again I don't want to be driven by what the developer wants here in Carver I want to be driven by what Carver wants and what our needs are going to be and not letting them dictate that our houses are on top of each other I'll stop for right now I'm sure everyone else has a few comments Eric so I think the market is really going to drive that um more than we are when interest rates come down in five or six years developers may decide they want another uh large neighborhood with large houses and yards I I think we need to make it attractive for developers to build what the market is demanding now and I think we need more life cycle housing I absolutely get uh Christie's concern um you know the I'm just a believer in the market dictating uh the market will go to larger properties and larger houses uh as we expand uh West and North uh and we have more developable land I think that'll come naturally when when the market is ready for it so I'm I'm okay with the with the reduction in the uh the setback size I'd like to respond to Eric really quick so when you see that it's Market driven and that as the interest rates drop and we get to a point where it's a little bit more manual that they're going to look at this I mean your Viewpoint is that you're going to look at this and say well I'm allowed to put more units in to make more money but I'm just not going to do that now because the markets change I don't see that as happening I disagree I think that uh there'll be there may be a demand for another herver Bluffs in the future but there isn't today and I don't think there is in in most communities today and we also need to have more life cycled and affordable housing in caror than we do today I think that uh setting this as a a zoning ordinance sets the the stage for developers to be able to do that but again it's a minimum so if if there's not a need for it if if uh they don't want to do that or I don't know even an association May overrule that I think in Carver Bluffs the association dictated what the setbacks were um that'll that'll self regulate um but I want to I want to be sure that we're attracting developers to build what the market needs today and I know it's dis I know it's a difference in opinion I get that it sure is but I and I agree that we should have housing for all and that there needs to be more life cycle housing but I don't think looking at this map those new houses that are going in at 550 to 600,000 is that what we're talking about so I don't think that's going to hear that anyways yeah but we've talked about in the housing action plan we made the realization and we all recited it together this is before your time you're lucky that new housing will not come in as affordable they're not building 220 or $350,000 new homes from scratch Erin had that really trific slide that said this is what land prices cost this is what infrastructure costs and this is what you're looking at before you even put dig a foundation um so I think you know we're already doing this as far as the light lot sizes and the use of the prds and I think kind of to what Joy said I think that there's just a straighter PA to this it's simplification did you you get a chance to app no um so Erin you might have to or if you can remind me so the side setbacks that would be 7 and 1/2 ft from the end of the foundation edge of the foundation to so right now it's s and a half foundation wall to foundation wall but historically for the PRD in the R2 District we've been reducing to five on each side or 10 total okay that's what I wanted to double check that so the minimum right now would be about 15 total but we have given exceptions okay 5T would be the smallest I would be comfortable with only probably because it's fresh in my mind when we were talking about sidewalk cafes and just kind of give that idea that okay now where we talk about depending if it's R1 R2 but like for example if it has to be developable one developable Acer for three homes right or could it be like three homes in a little start you know Park a little or is it absolutely only residential development within that acre so like an area that could be constructed for a flat Tot Lot would be included in that acreage so it's three units per acre but it would have to include all land that is developable developable that is not like a storm water Pond or a street um so but not always Green Space because it might be some like climbing apparatus or like a having large areas of Green Space would drive down your density because that would be buildable area Okay so if it's a bluff you net that out because we can't build on Bluffs if it's a neighborhood with a soccer field in the middle that soccer field would drive your density really low because that is a buildable area like I'm thinking there's a really small Little Shelter um east of JCP in Spring Creek where it's right by Ironwood to where they have Olson Park no it's not an actual park I think it's just part of the association what what I call it or should have looked it up on the map sounds like it's an HOA yeah it's an ho okay so how how did that work into their calculation of density so is it like the town home area so the town homes you're able to put more units per acre because they're attached so that density is higher in that area that they could have additional space that they could use for green spaces okay because of it's it because it was the town home product okay more units per acre they had more wiggle room they had more wiggle room okay all right um that helps me and then um the other thing I just want to like comment is a lot of this just seems Aesthetics too like you know if you're just used to or like what somebody desires as far as like how big the lot is or the homes close or far away but I do also really think some of these were yes it is smaller lot sizes um but it's brought other really nice amenities too like a lot more sidewalks and trails so it's there's some really good things too um I just I feel like there's kind of a negative tone and I just wanted to balance that off so I'm not sure if we've only gotten through lot standards and Zone regulations I think you did one and two I'm comfortable with that I just want to go back to prds I entirely support fig figing out a way that if we were to use it that we kind of Bartered and negotiated for that and that we wrote something into the Yeah the code that we were able to to trade up agreed use of that just one final comment so when the Planning Commission takes a look at this I think what would be helpful especially for us is that if you do decide in an R2 that you would that uh reducing the minimum lot si side simplifies things eliminates the need for a lot of peties if if you can provide us some examples of a development that says hey if this development went to that right the whole development couldn't be the small Lots with the five foot step backs because they wouldn't they would exceed the density right if you could provide some examples like that I think that will help us kind of visualize it and get comfortable with it because my guess is that because a lot of these developments are bigger and have a blend of types of housing only some of it is the smaller Lots with the 5 foot setbacks and the other part is larger l with the seven and A2 foot step back my guess right like oak tree is the perfect example of that so specifically uh in those plans and in that development agreement it's lot in Block portions that could have those five yard five foot side yards setback so it's just Oak Tree Court where the rest of the project had to fall at seven and a half ex so we have some protection there that someone couldn't come in and say oh I was planning for 7 and a half on all of it but I'm going down to five because I can make more money we have the ability to have it be a portion of a project or an entire project but largely we've been seeing mixes like Timber Creek is not Apples to Apples because it's town homes in single family but a similar mix yeah agreed if some some examples like that I think would help everybody get their arms around it okay we can go on to okay I think we're on yeah adus now got take that sorry okay so accessory dwelling units I'm discussing the detach unit so if someone in their backyard wanted their parents or in-laws to move in and they built a tiny home in their backyard that would be considered an accessory dwelling unit we talked about them a couple years ago we called them granny Flats at the time but I think that's kind of Ain yeah so right now if you have a unit in your home it's permitted so if you um did like a basement project you could have an Adu in your basement if you had space above your attached garage that's permitted uh so right now we're thinking about the detach unit what would that look like what are some things that you'd like the Planning Commission to think about as we continue this conversation let's kick it off but yeah the only thing that I was thinking of I'm not opposed to them but I would want to make sure it made me a little bit nervous that they were um suitable to live in in Minnesota 12 months out of the year I don't want this to be a place where you store inlaw that you don't care for in the middle of winter um it just it kind of made me think V use the [Laughter] term just my um so I just it made me think like would this be something and I know that years ago we talked about um rental inspections would this be the thing that would tip us to having to start do rental inspections to make sure that although as an Adu would that be something that would be applicable so yes you would need a full building permit it would be a scale down version of a full house so it would need to have basic life safety thing so it would be insulated with heat and plumbing but as far as like a regular kind of scheduled inspection nobody's coming to inspect my house regularly because this is more of a home versus a rental would that not be permissible probably I don't think we would go back to a rental program just for this specifically I don't know if all of them would necessarily be rentals I think a lot of them could be for family members that are looking to have some additional space uh frankly like there are a couple airbnbs in town primarily downtown because it's in a connected unit so I get a few calls a year um a lot of people downtown looking to add an accessory dwelling unit so um I don't know if this is going to create a rental market boom of adus in Carver uh at my core I don't think it will but I think it will allow some people an opportunity to have a better situation for family members or to create rental income yeah I don't hate the idea I definitely see you know sandwich generation the benefits of it um I think without you know absolutely like deciding something tonight I would think we would want to check the zoning districts where we have this in my mind depending on what it looks like it might not be appropriate for the St District um but um that's just kind of where I'm starting off this um I am in love with this you know that I have exactly no I am so excited I absolutely think that um adding this to um our options here in Carver is a great idea I love the detached one as well I think that's fantastic again it's going through the whole building permit process this is basically a tiny home on the back uh I don't see any reason to have to inspect it we don't inspect people's homes Beyond the building um and the building requirements so to me this is absolutely no different than that um I disagree we used to have barns in our backyards in um in the olden days here in the historic district so 1850 yep um but we can't have goats in this area right right correct um so I I don't see any problem um with them being in the in the historic district I mean we have we added our own garage you know so we have accessory buildings and ours that we put up since we bought it to so um I am excited for this and I hope that this um Works in our community and I think it's really a great add-on so will this be R1 R2 um and so the worry I have is I like the idea I'm worried about the neighbors that say well I didn't I didn't plan on having a house uh in my neor neighbor's backyard and their neighbor's backyard I didn't sign up for that it's one thing to have a shed it's a different thing to have uh another family or uh occupant there so what discussion have we had about the size of the property yeah so theodate that the Planning Commission had a discussion about uh you need to have a minimum lot size so maybe it's those larger lots that fall more inherently in the R1 District we also have the opportunity to set um um increase setbacks for these so like the setback for a shed typically is six feet from somebody's property line maybe with the Adu discussion uh it's 15 feet from your side property line which then also um you would need to have a pretty large lot to be able to entertain this idea to have a larger setback I don't know if that's going to be the answer but just getting um some feedback from you and then the Planning Commission I'll say generally they were interested in exploring this idea so it's something that there's an appetite for I don't know what it's going to look like at the end of the day but there are things that we could do to say um you're right I think a lot of associations would probably say we're not interested and the city might approve something but if your HOA doesn't you can't build it I also will say with these small Villa products that we're doing there's simply not space you couldn't have a villa and a detached tiny Villa on your property so there are some spaces where I think inherently it works better than it does in some other areas so we can think through that um I think a 15 foot setback is too large if we're willing to slam houses in five feet from the property line then I don't think we need to be 15 feet away put in an Adu and we could include things like to have an accessory dwelling and you need to have proof of off street parking so if you have an extra vehicle on the property you need to have it stored somewhere off the street so all things we can take a look at but just looking for General feedback of yes it's something we want to explore or no way we're not was my next question but having said that those are the things I'm concerned about yeah I think it's absolutely worth investing in going forward and looking into this so I have no objection to that I also like the idea to explore it more I am really curious to know more with the any other homeowner associations or like did they have more leeway like other than just saying yes or no like could they actually also have you know it has to be painted this color some do so like the an example is The Meadows at Spring Creek has a pretty robust homeowners association so they have a full review of things like sheds and fences so we'll get a permit here we'll approve it at the city and then oftentimes their HOA will call and say like that's not something we can do so okay I support looking into it okay asking okay do you have what you need from us I do thank you okay um all right going to um the city manager report thank you just one second here so a couple things to share tonight as we're getting ready for the long-term financial plan we identified uh one project that we wanted to put on your radar so we're um planning to do wellhouse Rehabilitation for Wells 1 and three and um I've asked Chad to share a little bit of the details of that but as it relates to the update what we'd like to do um is start preparing plans and specs in 2023 as you can imagine the best time to do that is when water demand is lower so I think winter early winter of 2024 and so in order to hit that timeline and have that rehab project done we wanted to look at having Council give Bola to make the go ahead to do plans in Spec so we have that planned for a future agenda but I ask Chad to to share a few uh thoughts on uh the scope of of that project so wellhouse 1 and3 is located on the north side of lions park um some of those electrical components are 30 plus years old um so they're already obsolete um we're really looking at complete electrical upgrades um and one of the kind of triggers was waiting until wall five and six was actually producing water which they are now um really we're looking at complete skada upgrades fiber connection wiring upgrades and also some piping upgrades and we just like Brent said we wanted to get it completed before uh summer of 2024 water demand starts to increase and with the long lead times on electrical components some of that stuff would probably get ordered today and show up in 50 weeks so it uh some of those are very long z a year from now yes that's what we thought you said um so that I assume that that requires taking the well offline construction that's why we want to do it in the winter construction yes yep questions for Chad no all right uh second piece is the uh former CA 40 or the Carver connections task force is meeting on Wednesday uh also had a meeting with Dan lanis and Jonathan Nelson and bolted bank has kind of a grant or transportation funding Guru named Ashley Hudson um oh she's pretty high say highly regarded uh uh throughout the Metro for uh being a kind of a wizard as it relates to providing or getting good applications submitted for these projects and so uh that's really important uh related to uh trying to get a trail connection to the Carver Bluffs neighborhood and actually going all the way to uh Jonathan Carver Parkway getting having a um off Street Trail connection into the downtown so um also looking at a local Road Improvement uh program Grant application for that uh project so similar to what we got for the Sixth Street West project so uh then there's actually another I would say two to three other financing possibilities just because of the Dynamics of that road and how we took it over from the county and um that section going east or not excuse me going West on Casa 40 or I again I start calling that Main Street is part of the County's Regional Trail Corridor that actually uh they want to get out that all the way up to wakia so there's some possibilities there so um but the task force is is working uh they're going to be getting into some more intricate detail on some Concepts on Wednesday so uh looking forward to the council seeing their work I think we have an update planned at your July 17th meeting uh we're starting our contract negotiations for a collective bargaining agreement tomorrow with uh our representatives from asme uh Chad shell and Lyn shudy are joining me on the negotiations team probably at some point I would say later on this summer we'll ask the council to schedule a closed uh meeting so that we can go over uh contract negotiation uh summaries and get some um input from the city council allowed to do that just have to post notice for a closed meeting um Park and pedestrian Park and pedestrian underpass security uh we talked about this a few meetings ago cost came in below what we are anticipating so uh Chad's in the midst of security securing contracts to do uh it's kind of cellular based technology and solar powered kind of for power uh but the cameras in some of the area are high-profile um vandalism areas as relates to the two pedestrian underpasses and then in community park and Lions Park so uh hopefully by the end of summer we should be able to have something up and ready for that I shared with the council earlier we had a sign request uh following the policy that the council established for uh parking concern on KY Hill Drive so approximately from uh 6th Street West uh to High Street and so Dan lanis along with Chad and uh Chief trimo are processing that request uh but there um and I'll share the update but based on your policy this wouldn't get to the council but there is a possibility that uh based on Street width and size of our fire department uh or Fire Equipment apparatus that one side of that street might be part or sign no parking um I know that's been uh at least in my time has been kind of a struggle with folks that live along that Corridor with par seasonal parking um but one of the things that we did this for Bluff Park Vicki's working on it but really want to do kind of a deep dive after the season and find out um or take a a more a smaller look at a bigger look excuse me on how we're scheduling these fields I think in the past you know we've given the ccbsa or pick your Association they just said we're taking these fields but we really haven't been managing the open space areas and what's we might be in a position where we're overscheduling the these Parks based on our available parking facilities and so we'll want to take that information and kind of reshare it with the council and get your perspectives on what our strategies might be if if you're fine with how it is that's fine but there might be some strains and parking and just want to make you aware of it and give you an opportunity uh to provide some feedback and direction if you want uh the dynamic to be different can you clarify for me so we're talking about six Street and parking on one side only KY Hill KY okay sorry oh and KY it is okay thank you that's all I needed I was thinking six I'm really confused here yeah so's house and I was like well we just in a bike lane how is that going to work thank you yeah it would likely be so the side walk on KY is on the South Side so it' be likely Park no parking on the North side if we met the requirements and um that Dan and Aon Schmidt and Chad are are looking at along with Chief trimbo um uh just wanted to give you a heads up this is something that you've done on an annual basis and probably new to council member pman uh but we have an open range pay system where we established minimum pay and maximum pay for each one of our graded positions and we adjust that scale by whatever the Consumer Price indexes indexes as it's indicated in the Minneapolis federal reserves CPI calculator and so uh that's listed at 6% and so what that does is it raises the minimum pay for that position and the maximum pay for that position doesn't necessarily give somebody that increase unless they're below what would be the minimum pay um but we'll be bringing that to you at your July 17th meeting so just wanted to kind of give you a heads up since at times that can be a uh a topic of community interest uh local Emergency Operations plan so this is something excuse me we had identified in our last strategic plan as kind of one of those Hangers On we wanted to get through some stuff this year but we have a group with Chad shell Aon Smith um Ki trimbo and some of some other folks we're working with a consultant that's going to develop a what we're calling a local Emergency Operations plan so we have a really big uh plan that's uh in place with the with Carver County what we want to do is kind of localize that for local contacts as it relates to tornadoes uh flood events Communications um think of workflow think of uh who's responsible for certain areas so that it's less driven by um the staff that we have in these seats today and more driven by you know this is the Public Services director's role this is the mayor's role this is the council's role uh talk to council member pman about this this briefly this afternoon like you know if we had you know a natural disaster you know let's say a tornado like you know and the council got approached by kir 11 like you know what would be the protocol what should you know you be expected to say how should you triage questions you know how do we ramp up Building Inspections to take on uh um an analysis of you know structures that might be impacted do we have garbage service lined up would we take care of stuff that's pushed into the street just developing all those things kind of local the big plan that the county has has elements of it but it's you know it's talking about two kind of old school paper binders worth of information and we want to give you know something that's a little bit more bite-sized that we can take it and say okay this is what our plan is even if Brent's out of town or I I don't know why I'm referring to myself in the third person if I'm out of town or Chad's out of town or the fire chief's out of town um we're not wondering well who's going to do what it's all built into this plan and hopefully gives you a a better sense of of confidence that things are handled I know last year there was a concern like we're going to have strong winds and we kind of built that as we went but it wasn't something that was intuitive like the council knew what we were going to do we just kind of shared like this is our plan for tonight and we still might do do that but we want to have a foundation in that plan uh just reminding the council that we're going to be uh closed on Monday next Monday and Tuesday July 3rd and 4th um and so there will be no council meeting on the 3D the next time we meet is the 17th and then Bittersweet uh happy for Brenda EA that she's going to be enjoying retirement but it's going to be sad to see her go she's I would say pretty close to an institution here a lot she has a lot of interaction with uh uh Community residents on a day-to-day basis and uh we owe a lot to her and she's going to be missed but she's going to be retiring at the end of November I believe um so just wanted to be one of the first to say thank you to Brenda and we we'll get her in front of the council here to give her a good send off but we're going to be starting to do some transition work on looking at position descriptions um not just automatically filling the position as we have but all the department heads and and Brenda good and I met this afternoon and started going through scenarios as you know Kathy elki has announced her retirement for next July and so um rather than just kind of filling back filling in what we have I think this is a good opportunity to say okay you Brenda good had a great analogy of like we have all the stuff in a box and if you threw it up and it fell out like how would you put it back in and so we're kind of using that concept of saying okay what are our needs and how do we organize this and then what positions do we need uh to be successful so it's a br mer caliber analogy well done yeah yeah it would take me like five or six more analogies to get to the one that she got but but headline is Brenda effa um job well done looking forward to recognizing her as she uh wraps up her career with the city so happy to answer any questions on any of these items or other items that you're looking for an update on any questions for front on these no okay I'm going to move to council requests um so last week we had uh the league of Minnesota cities annual conference in duth it was a good time had by all one of the breakout sessions was titled something like so you didn't get into local government to regulate cannabis did you or something like that wasn't that's uh yes or you didn't think you didn't think you'd be regulating cannabis whatever um but one of the biggest take ways from that and da I hope you'll keep me honest um was that we need to by August 1st need to come up um with an ordinance if we do not want um people smoking weed on the streets and in public places and our community Parks Etc um that makes it a petty misdemeanor to do so I would like to move forward down that path um but I wanted to bring it up with Council you look like you're I so I'm trying to remember Dave's eloquent summary of what we believe that the new law is pertaining to and I didn't recall that it was legal to do that um I don't know that I remember that either but I certainly can tell you that the lobbyists from the league of Minnesota cities were very clear about this okay so it it isn't but there's really no way to enforce it unless the local it's about enforcement it's about enforcement it would create it would create an ordinance provision that makes it a petty misdemeanor which isn't a crime but it's um technically a code violation that you could get fined for so other Petty misdemeanors are parking violations or um you know low lowlevel things that are against the law that is not under state law considered a crime so it doesn't go on your criminal record or anything like that but it would create a situation where You' have to contact the court and pay a monetary fine to the city in the court um okay so the pece wasn't part of state legisl so sorry I'm I'm there now yeah so um beginning on August 1 that's when cities can have those ordinances in place okay for being able to site somebody for that so right now if somebody if you didn't have that ordinance in place and somebody was doing it law enforcement couldn't really do much about it they couldn't issue the person of citation they could just say this is illegal stop doing it and that's it yeah okay um and so uh you know most cities are kind of just adding a pretty short and simple provision to their police power section of their city code to make this a petty misdemeanor and let you know that you can do that um and if that's something the council wants were happy to bring it okay just from a perspective P Point um is there a similar Petty misdemeanor for drinking alcohol on the street that's a misdemeanor that's a misdemeanor okay thank you you're welcome okay can we can you state again what where this covers so it's I mean is Park Streets what were public places all public places is what you're talking about yep Lobby to City Hall how about where does this go with like let's say private businesses or something like that um there are allowed uses in your summary right yeah that it has nothing to do with privately owned uh resident I mean you doesn't mean you can use it but the way this ordinance would be written is just to prohibit it from streets sidewalks Parks okay um that kind of thing I'm just saying like if I own the ABC gas station and but I own it so does this cover that there's already the Clean Indoor Air Act so you can't smoke okay so there talked about that twice now tonight yeah there's already a way for that to be got okay y yeah I have a question um and I'm thinking back about the presentation I watched it in the materials there's a March 1st deadline is that for if we were to put such an ordinance in it has to be by then and I think it was March 1st of 2025 yes so that is the date that the law that was passed last year allowing edible cannaboid products sunsets and so that's the date where you can't sell those products under that statute that was drafted last year and approved last year but then when the new state law that just will soon take effect when that actually that's soon going to transition okay everything under the State Office of cannabis management um why they picked March 1st 2025 I think it's because they expect the state office to be up and running an issuing licenses by then um that's still about a year and a half out a little more than that even but um I think they just made sure to give themselves enough time to make sure that that that was that was going to be allowed until State I we need a chart with some string okay wait just us back demeanor for smoking in public so I support right having an enforcement ordinance if that's what the right path is just so that we have some kind of enforcement around the public places since that's covered in this yeah makes sense to me I I need to think about it yeah I just don't know enough um so when we're talking about like the liquor so when we were talking about Parks cuz I know you asked about Parks Joy I believe it was you so you can have alcoholic beverages in Parks yes yes okay so but not weed if this goes through right pot marijuana can we not maybe not call it so because I'm just kind confused because you were talking about parks and everything and then you asked the question of whether you could have alcohol right on the street on the street that was my analogy I didn't see Park I Street just walking on the street but that's a m met so I was kind of trying to align what Courtney is proposing with existing alcohol in a public space like a street so as a petty misdemeanor this would be like a parking ticket I'm fine yeah I support this too I think we have to act relatively quickly I'm not wrong it'll be legal to consume marijuana August 1st you can't buy it kind like you can go buy fireworks in Wisconsin you just can't use them here um but August 1st the deadline so we don't have much time to to act on this yeah I mean we we can bring something to the to the one meeting in July we have plenty of time to do that um but it's not like if you don't have it in place by August 1 can't still do it approve it yeah I mean that's just I think that creates then no you know opening for people to to be able to do it without getting a you know being subject to that rule so right thank you um any other Council requests do not okay updates go first well so I did not attend the Planning Commission meeting but I did attend the league of Minnesota City's uh event with uh with Courtney and Brenda Vicky and and Lynn there were some useful breakout sessions the the exact title was you probably didn't get into local government to regulate cannabis and that happened to be uh all standing room that was the most popular uh attended uh breakout session as um uh Brent me mentioned we talked about Communications plans uh emergency communication and managing the media I think that's a good idea that uh we come up with a strategy there one other breakout session too we talked about just kind of managing uh uh descent and managing organiz uh descent from people outside of our community versus how we respond to concerned residents and I think it's worth uh you know some further discussion uh there as well so a lot of ideas shared uh certainly uh worth attending uh it'll come around next year and if you've been there before I it's still recommend that you go back uh that's it uh do we know when Sixth Street is going to be striped it's half stri it did is it half striped okay it wasn't the last time I went up so yeah uh they striped the center lane uh today and they'll do the bike Lanes tomorrow I think okay some some of those the crosswalks might fall into Wednesday but yeah okay all the long line should be done by tomorrow and they had some issues today they got off too late Sir with the wet pavement and that kind of stuff but yeah by the middle of the week it should be looking really nice out there all right sounds good um County Road 11 the median we who is responsible for the grasses the dent [Music] trees so uh Public Services Department is kind of maintaining that area the the dead trees are we waiting till the end of the warranty period just to to see kind of where sits so them by this fall uh because we have a 2-year warrant on those trees they'll be removed and replaced okay um it's the meetings were looking a little bit rough I thought when I went by but have they been taken care of since they were they were molded recently okay last week yeah okay and that is that natural Prairie Grass so it's a three to five year establishment period okay so we mow them when they get up to about 8 to 12 in tall down to okay and then it's maybe five okay which we have had none until now um until it's time to start striping some drinks right uh I have one last thing so I know that the Lions have donated a bench for up at Lions Park I believe the concrete pad was poured up there um what's our timeline for getting that benion I know we've donated it a little while ago it was installed right after the snow was gone probably late April what was installed bench the bench was installed yes oh okay well then at liance C okay they keep telling me that it's not so I will have to go take a picture and send it to the Lions and let them know it's there okay thank you next to the shelter okay so it's not visible from the maybe they're just driving through to take a peek okay thank you for that any updates that's all okay no updates or Jo um the only question I had is um in the monthly uh report the carver station numbers for May were the highest we've seen since the pandemic started and I wondered what happened in May do we know it I assume bus schedules aren't changing it just happened okay okay that was my question was quite a yeah I was like okay and so no right okay wait yes since I had to go first I was hoping I'd go last oh from the from the uh League of Minnesota City's conference one other really important thing that happened is our mayor Courtney Johnson was appointed to a three-year term as a board member for the league of Minnesota cities I'm uh really excited I interviewed and uh was elected into it so there were three three-year terms one two-year term and one oneyear term so that's a turnover in the board um as well as the league now has a new executive director Luke um so I thought it was the time to join and grent has previously served on the board and just always speaks super super super highly of it um so it's a great organization um thank you for that um let's see uh for me in the last well let's see three weeks since we've met we had our first Parks Advisory Group meeting um it was a really really good group we got to walk through the park and see how it's coming along um Park is not officially open yet but boy is that speaking of Ironwood um yes okay um but boy is that uh uh skate park really really popular um let's see we had a Carver County mayor's meeting a couple weeks ago um I went to the last Planning Commission meeting where they talked about um a bunch of stuff but um Hometown Bank was the most notable that I'm thinking of lots of other stuff I joked uh with the Planning Commission that I showed up that their meeting where they weren't going through our uh planning ordinances because I've understood that those are long and detailed uh meetings this one was pretty long too um we had a Carver business Alliance meeting in the last couple of weeks um and then the conference which was in duth and I Echo Eric's statements that um it's always really good the programming is really good the breakout sessions are terrific but there's also like an un tangible benefit of just having lunch next to somebody from a community in Minnesota that you wouldn't be able to point out on the map but talk about your combined pain points and solutions and what you're doing so um just really good networking and Le from our peers there so it's going to be in Rochester next month it's always in mid to late June so I'm sure they have their the the dates on the the website already so that is it from me so unless there's anything else I would entertain a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn mtion council member pman I'll second by council member mcnight all those in favor say iose same sign motion passes good evening