are you I stole my pen I always do always do all right let's call this meeting to order please rise for the pledge I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible and liy and justice for all all right thank you uh could I get a motion to approve the agenda please I'll make a motion to approve the agenda second there's a motion in a second sorry all in favor say I I I any opposed motion carries uh let us move on to Residents comments and questions I'm going to assume that most people are here for the 2017 Improvement project does anybody have anything they'd like to uh discuss prior to or instead of that I'm sensing no uh we are on to reports which we have none let's move on to the public hearing could I get a motion to open the public hearing please I'll make a motion to open the public hearing second there's a motion to open the public hearing all in favor say I I I motion carries the public hearing is open Let's uh move on to Mr Dan boam 6.1 Improvement project 2017 thank you mayor and Council um once again I'm Dan boam the city engineer and we're here to talk about the public hearing for our Improvement project on on various downtown streets the items that I'll cover tonight and I'll try to run through these items and then usually um open it up to the public for questions and then I can go back and forth on on some of the slides if there's certain slides you want to see but we'll review the proposed improvements then we'll discuss the opinion of probable costs we'll also review the preliminary assessment role the schedule um then as I mentioned get feedback from the public and then once the hearing is closed and the council will kind of discuss the project and decide whether they want to proceed you know with um with the project and if there's any changes to the project they'd want us to incorporate um that little picture to the right is just some of the various project streets on the project um we need to fix the remaining downtown streets um the the city started fixing the various streets in downtown Carver with the MCS Interceptor project um then in in 2012 we did the Fourth Street project and then in 2015 the Oak and Fifth and and six Street project and so those have kind of this these are the remaining streets in the downtown um the improvements are part of the city's Capital Improvement plan and part of the process that we go through is um we do a walking tour with residents here's a picture of um the tour that we made last summer or spring and the city also did a survey on the Third Street bridge to get feedback from um the public on what they felt would be some options the council then reviewed the feedback from these tours and surveys and one of the big issues being discussed at the time was the Third Street bridge and so the council did look through various options related to that bridge and then ask us to study um the items that are in the report the proposed improvements in in general are reconstructing the existing streets and placing new general yeah see we had that in general up there um replacing um the new streets with curban gutter asphalt and drain tow there's a lot of Springs in the in this area and so the drain tow will be an option for property owners to um connect to also with sums um also a new sidewalk at existing locations from um at existing locations and some extensions of that sidewalk especially at Hickory from Ash um to along Third Street we're also planning to pave existing gravel alleys and now that's a a new um thing that the city hasn't done in the past on some of their downtown streets and so some of the reason staff and Council discussed doing that was for um access for maintenance equipment um especially with some of the utilities in the in the alleys they're difficult right now with existing gravel um also there's erosion that occurs along that existing gravel and and kind of spreads out into the road so getting um a bituminous base on that alley will help to reduce that and maybe make it a little more cleaner look at the alleys and also um you know maintenance equipment tries to get into the alleys they have over over the years there's growth that is encroaching on the alleys and so the city would want to try to maintain that existing WID um so those are some of the alley um comments that we can talk about further later um streetscape improvements streetscape improvements along Broadway excuse me um some of those including bump outs at the intersections both at third in Broadway as well as fourth in Broadway um street lights being extended similar to what you have on your two blocks of downtown right now with trees um decorative walk um Etc here's just a picture of Third Street by the bridge So speaking of Third Street Bridge um the proposed improvements there's two concepts that we'll talk about um this evening with the public um concept A is a view that's shown on the screen at this time um in general with the Third Street Bridge it's a historic bridge and um similar to the other two bridges that we had in Carver at Fourth Street and Main Street there's a process that you have to go through if you're going to replace a bridge and with some of the funding issues in the last few years at the state legislature there hasn't been funding of available and so the council in discussing that this summer they looked at well what's something that we can do at this time knowing some of those issues and so concept A is reflecting that discussion of closing the bridge to vehicles um and putting in turnarounds while still maintaining pedestrian access um we're showing here in the in this in the slide you know a a walk or a trail that will connect between those CUO saacs um what we see from in talking with our Structural Engineers is that by taking the vehicle weighed off the um the bridge by um making some improvements with the drainage that would happen when you when you put curb and gutter on these streets you are going to get a lot longer life um to the bridge um what they are saying is it's about this concept A is approximately like two times the amount of life is what you get when we talk about concept B and it's it's mainly because if if something ever hap and I'll get into it with Concept B if something ever happens to the bridge we've got these various Wing walls um that are are separating you could do some work as long as you're not driving Vehicles over the road you could do some work on if if they tipped over you'd be able to do some work and you're not kind of affecting the traveling public so that's some of the reasons why this option gives you just a longer life it does still allow the city to make some decisions in the future with Bridge options by just kind of spending a a minimum amount of money at this time on concept A Dan could I just interrupt you and if you could just give a brief synopsis of the shipo and the historic aspect of the bridge and the process and the funding and timing sure yeah so it's it's typically a two-year process that the city needs to go through because it's a historic Bridge right so what what happens as soon as you start digging to remove the bridge it triggers the Army Corp of engineer permit which then because it's a historic Bridge puts us into dealing with the state historic preservation office and so the city had to do that with their the Fourth Street bridge that took longer than two years um but the the excuse me the Main Street Bridge the Fourth Street Bridge it was around two years but at that time there was funding available for Bridges so you don't get funding unless you prepare a plan and then you have it sitting there at the state and review and then you have to also go through this process with shiple which you know takes a year year and a half so it's it seems like the fastest you could do something is in two years and then right now there's not as much funding at the state and so you you might be sitting there and not getting funded when you so it would take two or at least approximately two years and we may or may not get funding for that correct okay thank you as we looked with Concept A there is some effects on parking on Third Street this figure is showing um 17 parking stalls that would be affected by putting those two temporary turnarounds You' you'd lose the diagonal parking right now that's on the South Side as well as some of the parallel parking that's on the south and north sides um when you add the rest of the street going to the West you gain about another four stalls so there's a total of around 21 stalls on Third Street for parking um and one of the things I just wanted to mention here I mean this is showing the parallel parking on the North side there has been some discussions recent discussions of you know um parallel parking versus diagonal parking and we can answer any of those questions that come up in the question and answer stage so concept B um looked at making Third Street a one-way Street and restricting um vehicle loadings um the city did restrict vehicle loadings on Four Street prior to replacing it and that you know gave some additional life to that street we would look at doing that here with Concept B we're showing diagonal parking along the north side of the road and there's around 20 stalls so of the 21 that exist on Third Street this concept um provides 20 spaces there would not be parking allowed on the South Side based on it being a one-way um some of the other comments I know in our walking tour people had talked about how trying to pull out a Third Street onto Broadway um can be difficult at times especially with vehicles parking on the north and south side and so this would keep vehicles moving Westerly on Third Street um as I mentioned previously this is a shorter life than concept a um the county has been inspecting these bridges for the city and they they've kind of mentioned a five-year time frame that they felt the city should be making some decisions on what they're going to be doing um we you know some of the improvements that would be made here with Concept B with with drainage improvements curbing Gutter and and getting water away from the bridge because that's kind of what's been causing a lot of the issues we feel you can you could add another five years onto that life if Mother Nature kind of cooperates and it it could last longer if Mother Nature really cooperates but once again concept A but if Mother Nature doesn't really cooperate well like in 2014 Mother Nature didn't cooperate well with us and so um if you if you have events like that that have never happened for quite a while here in in the carver area that could cause some issues with just the existing deterioration on the bridge um there is a risk right now that Calvert is is you know there's a sufficiency rating that we talked more about in our report but part of that sufficiency rating is a um number that they put on the cul itself and so the the risk that I think with this option that you know the council and the public should be aware of is if if you get to a point on future inspections um the benefit between 2015 and 2016 is it stayed the same for a rating so that was a good note but if if the Culvert itself has a deficiency it's it's one number away from saying that well you you're going to have to close the bridge bridge to vehicle traffic so if it can it can stay like that for a while but that is the risk with Concept B is that you do these improvements um you you gain or you equal amount the amount of parking that you have as on the original street but you do take a risk that at some point in time you might have to close the street and then do something because of that bridge wait sorry I wanted to last question about that last picture sure go back please is the 20 parking the 20 parking spaces are only on the north side of the street correct why couldn't we still have those di sorry guys why couldn't we still have those diagonal parking spots on the Southside that are just right by Harvey's so so part of removing some of those spots and as you can see here we're making this sidewalk area wider both on the North and South Side so you know there's an existing ramp that goes up to the um up to the um business and so if you if you narrowed it up to try to get diagonal parking you wouldn't have as big of a an area that could be used for other type of uses so so it is something that definitely could be um incorporated into the final plans if the council decides with with this option with the option concept A because of the um the turnaround that we can't really have any parking right in that area right I wasn't talking about concept day but my question was when you're talking about if Mother Nature is good to us you're talking about if Spring Creek floods is that what you're talking about what are you talking about exactly well no I was talking about more some of the events that we had in 2014 where we had that large storm that washed out part of our Levy um CU yeah so this is more more fun to talk about um the proposed improvements on Broadway this is a street view looking up from Fourth Street and looking to the North and the city had went through a process looking at various areas in downtown Carver in their Master downtown plan so one of the areas was a stretch of Broadway from Fourth Street to Sixth Street and so that has been incorporated into this study um what we're showing on this View and can see a little bit better on some of the upcoming slides as diagonal parking on both fourth or on both sides of the street going from 4th to 5ifth right now there's only diagonal parking on the on the east side or the right side on this View and there's parallel parking on the West Side um once you get north of Fifth Street then the road would be narrowing down to the existing wi and we'd go with just parallel parking on both sides um the streetscape improvements that we talked about briefly on a previous slide are the bump out some street lights um scored concrete walk similar to what you have on the two blocks of Broadway from fourth to to Main Street um some trees and we are showing a clock here that's been something that um has been discussed and and that clock could be relocated to either side depending on some final thoughts here's a plan view looking down on Broadway from fourth to six and you can see you know the one block of diagonal parking and then the parallel parking to the north of that um the width of the of the Walk won't be quite as wide as the first um as the first two blocks of of Broadway um so there's where the Whisk get usually less than 8 ft we wouldn't plan on putting any trees and tree grades but where it is wider you could put some um trees in there as shown on this drawing and and you may be can put some trees because of the RightWay and the angle of the road you could put a few trees behind the walk in a few areas say Dan got a question about that sure um how many how many parking spots are we gaining um diagonal parking than what we have right now yeah I think I think right now it seems like for every um for every like three or four diagonal you you end up having two um so you gain about three stalls when you go diagonal parking versus parallel I know and I a laser doesn't work here let's I don't know Vicki if I can I can't move a mouse around but okay so um in general um in general the um the angle parking on the North side kind of stops approximately where the house the historic houses on the I should say the right side or west or east side here on Glen a point no that's okay so I mean you we haven't added up how many more parking stalls that we could get with the diagonal parking here but in general it's two or three for every um um two parallel stalls so we can we could get that information maybe while you're getting some questions from I could add it up and give you a number but it definitely does get you some more stalls with this diagonal parking um this is just a view from various looks of of these proposed improvements um going from in general from fourth up to six and then one looking from six down to 4th and this we wanted to bring up there are some homes that are right at the existing walk and they do have steps that encroach it's it's hard to see on this drawing but I think there's a minimum distance of around like 5.2 ft from the from the Step at South to the back of the curb and so definitely in some of those areas you wouldn't be putting trees because you you want to keep around generally a minimum of four feet in an area so that you can get um um wheelchairs Etc by some of these areas that encroach on the sidewalk some of the the other specific improvements on the streets from on Third Street from Jorgenson Jorgenson to Ash and that is approximately 32 ft right now it kind of Narrows up as you get to the intersections but we would reconstruct that as a consistent 32t width and replace existing walks on Third Street from Ash to Hickory you know there's discussions in the walkth through about you know there's parking on one side but not on the other side and there does appear to be room from at the feasibility stage that we feel can get some additional width on the South Side so we would widen that street to 32 ft and extend the walk it kind of stops short of Hickory we would extend the walk up to Hickory on on that stretch the very West End um we would plan on putting a small turnaround at the end but there is restrictions on grades and slopes that um will limit how big that turnaround can be and finally Ash Hickory Jorgenson and fifth will be around around 24 to 28 ft in width generally north of of Third Street it's the 24t width south of Third Street Ty into Main Street is to 28 ft width the opinion of probable costs are listed here on this table and you can see between concept A and concept B it's around $2 million $2,000 to $25,000 for these proposed improvements this preliminary assessment role and the city does a special benefit analysis and and I know some of the property owners here have been part of other projects in the past and they maybe remember some of that discussion but in general the city did it at the kind of at the end of the project right before the assessment hearing but we knew with the the improvements proposed on these streets that that it was going to get close to some of the statute limitations for assessment so staff recommended that be done at this stage and so a special benefit analysis has been done um it's it provided similar findings to what we've seen on the past um two or three projects that the city has done the Interceptor Fourth Street and the 2015 Street improvements um it looks at both single family and Commercial properties when it's um giving the analysis to staff so in gener uh so basically there is a assessment for single family homes that ranges from 4,000 to $8,000 and there's also with the proposed alley improvements an alley assessment of $1,200 per property that is adjacent to the alley so if you're if you're a house that's on a corner lot that had a street that was improved previously um that's where they would get a $4,000 assessment if your corner lot or a house that's not on a corner that has improvements on two streets or the street right in front of you that would be the $88,000 number um some of the other properties I've listed on this um table it's also included in the feasibility study but there are various commercial properties that along the corridor um one single family there that had a $5,000 amount in their corner lot but in general there's a process that the appraiser goes through when when giving the recommendations on a on commercial property and those are reflected here so the schedule on the project is you know we're having the public hearing tonight and so once the council gets feedback back from the public on the proposed improvements then you'll close the hearing and then discuss it and decide if you want us to proceed um if you do there's resolutions related to ordering plans and specifications um we do have a a proposed tighter schedule in in bringing those plans back in mid April to the council opening the bids around May 11th and then awarding the project at your May 15th council meeting and we' anticipate construction would begin in June um and the assessment hearing would be in August um we'd complete construction the major Construction in November of this year and there's still always is the final lift of binus and some restoration work that would continue to linger into spring 2018 and we know with um Steamboat Days and some of the other celebrations that there'd have to be certain areas of the project especially the Broadway stretch that we put as the priority for contractor to start on first so that um that's completed at that time and these I I put in just some typical questions that we get from um um at these meetings or other meetings but access to homes um in in general there will the contractor will provide access at the end of every day but there will be a certain time usually around 7 o'clock in the morning where they'll start their work and if they're working on your street um our inspector will work with um notifying people that you know the contractor is going to be there you're going to need to get out of your driveway because um there will be some issues after that start time um also when they're laying some concrete curbing Gutter and driveway aprons or concrete sidewalk there is that um week of time after it's been poured until tests come back that the concrete is strong enough before people can actually drive on it so there's also that um delay once once you actually get to um curbing Gutter and concrete work usually garbage and mail delivery um we work with the garbage company and the and the post office on how to sort through that a lot of times we when it's garbage pickup day we got to work with the contractor and and our staff to get the garbage cans moved to a street where the garbage trucks can get and then they'll have to roll them back to that property owners existing trees the city has always kind of followed the um on our reconstruction in downtown to try to save existing trees if you remember on Fourth Street there were some trees that encroached into the actually the into the street that had to go on Oak Street we had to remove some but in general if the property owner wants that tree saved we'll work to save it and they'll do some hand placement of curbing gutter so so that can be done um project Communications we we have have a a weekly project update that's gets posted and I think does it get emailed Vicki out also to people that are on a yeah that people can sign up to have an email update we also will work with property owners on especially when we're working on your street um our on-site inspector will have Direct Communications with people to keep them informed on what's going on and and once again the assessment hearing is proposed to be in in August and that the time when the council actually finalizes what they're going to charge um for assessments that's where the interest rate is determined um usually it's over a 10-year period and then it gets put on people's um property Assessments in 2018 so um I think having some feedback from Property Owners on that tonight is is good for the council and staff but the actual final assessment hearing is where those final decisions are made and then I I think this would be a good time to open up to questions from the public so let's uh do this in an orderly manner I'd appreciate it if uh if anybody has any questions if you could please come up to the microphone um give us your name and your address come on up Mr Dil them sir hi Peter I'm detail and my son and I we own three properties on this project uh what I'd like to know is uh what is the special benefit analysis done by an inp appraiser where do our where's our where's our special benefits for this Mr boam I think you should explain that yeah so um what an what an appraiser does is they look at um and they have various projects that they look at where they look at a price of a home before a project was done and then sale prices after a project is done and so they they use that information to give the feedback and the special benefit analysis well I'll tell you what to get another $122,000 out of that house I think you're full of and and you're saying on one house 12,000 or no we got 8, 1200 sure $9,200 that where do you get $9,200 value out of the same house with your uh super duper appraiser you tell me that and don't lie to me don't come with AUM answer either no I don't don't want to do do that but yeah in general they they I apologize for using that no you're going back the same track we're on no no so yeah they look at a value of a home and and the city isn't allowed to assess more than what the benefit is to a project so the city uses um the information that the spe this appraiser provides it's not an appraisal an independent appraiser right it's not a appraisal on that specific um parcel it's an appraisal on the the project as a whole and so um that's what is used and and the city's been using that I think on on some of the past projects that affected some of your properties too what's a process that we've followed the entire time and legally we cannot apply an assessment to any property that we can't and it's and you can fight it I mean there's that's that's the the nature of the beast but the reality is a we try to keep it as low as possible and B we can't legally assess any amount to a homeowner that we can't show has been proven in value so that's where I'm coming from where can you show me that that increases that value that much we have it all documented yeah on who doc by whom and by what by an inde by yourself by you guys that's where you're going no I appreciate that how you take real market value of that place there's there's I and we can't I mean listen what we do is we go in and we actually have an independent assessor come out take a look at the entire project and they break it up based upon feet of property in it's not your individual house they don't take individual properties into into affiliation and you listen nobody's happy about assessing anybody but these are projects that we absolutely have to do and we try to make it as as economical as possible which is why we use an independent you know there's other cities that actually assess 50 to 60% of a project and we won't do that I'm not trying to make you feel lucky yeah I don't know and and I think that's a good point the mayor makes it is closer to around that 20% % that is actually being assessed on this project based on the information at this time so that means 80% of the costs are paid for by the city through other funds no I just uh I'm not real crazy about it I'll tell you that I can't I can't visualize that property being that $9,000 worth worth $9,000 more that's where I'm coming from we're picking up what you're laying down what's that we're picking up what you're laying down and and one other thing I know what we've the city has like looked at assessing in the pass around a 40% um cost to Property Owners based on a parcel and front foot basis and so if we if we did that we would end up having higher costs than what the the special benefit analysis has shown and so in the past if some people are here from the remember from pass assessment public or the public hearings not the assessment hearing but we always showed that that higher costs and we said well we'll do this special benefit analysis prior to the assessment hearing to let you know where things are at because as the mayor mentioned we can't assess more than what the benefit is and and our 40% has in the last several projects been higher and so we always have to reduce it down higher we felt on this assessment hearing rather than showing you this number that would might be at like 12 or 14,000 that we we do the special benefit analysis up front so that people knew okay here's an independent appraiser here's what they've came up with and and try not to shock everyone with those other costs we've we've routinely done um you know we can I think legally go up to 50 or 60% I I can't remember the number but we've never done that we've always kept it right around 20 to 25 a because it's hard to show the value if I came to you and told you that we're going to increase the value of your property by $225,000 we have a big fight on our hands got one already I know I know I'm aware of that legally we could probably do it but we don't want to do that and we also believe that because the city is growing that as the funds come in we have 20% that is going to each individual property owner that 80% is then broken up amongst a number of different people between the adding money into the general fund as new residents come into place so we we've always tried to be as Equitable as we can with that and I know that you're not going to be happy we got another question too on that City Hall deal what were you basing that well that basically $380 or $88 are you basing that on the on the houses that are here or on your anticipated growth that's a whole another conversation that we'd be happy to have um coming up but this this one is really directed towards this Improvement project but I'll corner you some I I'll I'll I know you will you know where I live all right maybe somebody else has got something here too thank you thank you Mr dto come on up Mrs Stone uh Jenny Stone hildale um I just have a concern about the bridge um I'm concerned it was built in 1912 so it's 105 years old and it's rated at a 56 if I'm correct and at 50 it's no longer usable and given a linear decline that means we have less than 11 years left on that bridge now to replace that bridge is at about $750,000 with the state probably picking up 80% of it and if we were to do it now that would be less than 10% cost of this entire project so I'm curious about why we aren't doing it now versus kicking the can down the road and having to rip up the street again in less than 10 years I would love to address that actually because if if it were that simple I don't think anybody on this Council would be disagreeing with you the reality is is that the process a is not that easy it's a two-year process and the 750 for the bridge itself does not take into consideration the engineering cost and everything that goes along with it and the other part of that is the reality of funding for bridges and transportation right now is I I would venture to say that we would not get funded we would end up if we made that decision right now and said let's build that bridge we would end up funding 100% of it and I don't know that that's an option at this point I yeah and I thought that there weren't even any Bridge bounding funds available there aren't correct um and just a clarification on that 50% there's when a when a bridge gets to 50 % sufficiency it's eligible for federal money but you don't actually close the bridge down um unless there's some safety issue it just makes it eligible for federal we would be eligible and it's already at 56 right so at 50 we're eligible for federal money you can right for federal right so we're really close to I just don't understand why we're going to rip up the street again in less than 10 years my I'm not necessarily for ripping it up I'm not I mean I'm not for if we close it now we have a minimum 20e life on that bridge do we have that 20 years cuz I you know just from some random engineering calculations I say 11.75 years approxim so just give or take you know considering some water issues I'm just concerned that if we don't address it now you know and pass talked about you know given Mother Nature are we ripping it up in five years are we ripping up in 10 years and then it costs us more because it's going to be more expensive in five or 10 years unless in five or 10 years we actually can get some funding either through the state or through the feds okay then it's l then it's then it's less expensive Dan I have a question if we were to go with the the closing of the bridge with the turnarounds and just having the trail across what do you think is the lifespan then at that point so it's it's probably another 10 years it's like double the lifespan of of what concept B was so it's it's hard to say that we just know that concept A is going to last longer and then concept B and if if there is an issue that's the other thing that our structural gu said if there is an issue with the wing walls because you're just you're not driving across it with Concept A you could do some kind of um fix on those Wing walls or do some grading fix and still keep the pedestrian traffic going across that that cver so then I have another question with the 30 foot easement that we're missing for the turnarounds I believe with the concept A for um like fire trucks and turnarounds we do have to get some specialist easements because it's actually not can't turn around in it no so it'll be like a around a 60 foot um diameter turnaround and your typical diameter turnaround is a 90 ft diameter so a large truck would have to make you know more than one turning motion we're on some of your like new developments where you have the 90 fot um radius call the sa they can a bus and Etc can go all the way around without in one motion where here yeah I mean even a a car will have to car can almost make it on a 60 foot but on a truck that might be delivering something they're going to have to make a motion in that culd theack and that's why no parking would be allowed okay may I just add one thing that um the the one thing while in Simplicity I totally agree with you on the bridge and the options there is a uh and we've talked about this the fact that we have three Bridges within a one block span there is a very good chance that the feds would say you've got enough and they wouldn't fund this moving forward so that is also something to take into consideration that that I just don't want it to cost us more because we didn't want to take on the money now and then ends up costing us a double 10 years from now I couldn't agree with you more okay thank you thank you come on up hi I'm Tammy Reid and I live at 300 Main Street West could we go back to just one slide before this one more it said like three it gave Ash Street there were the S side streets that said they'd be expanded to 28 ft okay sure we'll go back that one I'm sorry there you so when I was actually reading the more detailed documentation online that was posted on Friday it said Ash Street from 4th to 3rd was 24 feet wide and it would remain 24t wide but from Maine to third it would be expanded and I'm just wondering if you're looking for consistent width why you would make that one block wider sure and and when we say consistent with we maybe mean within that block because there's some blocks where it might be you know 23 feet here 22 feet 24 so we'll make it a a consistent width but I think just the nature of the slopes that we have on Ash Street and Jorgenson going north of third um if we start trying to widen that to 28 ft we'd start having issues with needing retaining walls Etc where on the stretch from third to Main Street we we don't need that um with or or we wouldn't need retaining wall so it's easier to get a a 28t width okay and then would the streets that are expanded are you taking equal sides from both or are you assessing which land is more feasible because I know some of my neighbors you are going to be encroaching on their dinner table it's going to be pretty tight yeah so we would we would try to be consistent with um some of some of the existing streets might not be constructed in the center of the RightWay so we'll look at that to try to um especially when a situation if you have a driveway or or or you use it for parking if we all of a sudden encroach on one side and it makes that person's driveway not able to park in we don't want to do that so we'll in the final design stage is where we'll kind of lay that out and we can um you know give some more updates to some of the specific property owners on some of those streets so they know how that width is looking okay and then just to reiterate I think you and I have already touched base I'm going to be reconstructing my driveway um from three stalls to two stalls and I want to work with the city so our timing lines up so neither of us are left kind of in a Lurch with bad construction appreciated thank you you come on up oh you beat you Dan Rob how does address what's that5 Broadway 421 Broadway thank you how does the assessments work residential compared to commercial because right now we're looking at 40 Grand on my part and the total fee is 385 from the public am I right yeah I mean the total amount right so I could go back to that slide and then another one on the slide that you showed when Glen was asking a question in regards to parking as far as diagonal in front of our 421 building you have that all diagonal parking while there's two commercial garage doors that face the street there where parking will not take place there there's the 421 there's a garage door where yeah you're only going to get a space or two there is as far as you're going to get and that's answering Glenn's question correct yeah if I mean there are some spots where we showed like I think there is one spot as you go to your next building to the north where they they showed a vehicle and I said yeah I can walk up there you're going you're talking more on the diagonal but I think in general right we'll have to adjust this based on some of the this is overhead door and this is overhead door sure so we'd have to and that right now there isn't diagonal on that side so we would have to make adjustments for garages if you go further to the north too I think there's a car at least shown in an area where there's a garage store and I told I told the um um my my architect said and I I should have explained that when I was showing this that you we're going to have to make some adjustments here we they've tried to because we aren't in the design they try to just give a visualization and correct there would have to be some adjustments then and as far as assessments go how does that affect commercial versus residential yeah commercial and and I'm not an appraiser but I just know even when when we were doing Fourth Street by um by City Hall uh there was the city hall had an assessment that was like I think 30,000 or 35,000 on that and how they how they do it there's a process they go through I think is one of your facilities has some living quarters in yep one of them has two living quarters so I think they they look at two living quarters and it's as soon as you have two living quarters it's not like 8,000 each it's something less than that plus they look at the commercial storage use and so there's there's formulas that they it's more than that or what was that one one building's 18,000 the other one's 20 right, so like the one that has the two um two units there's some amount related to those two units that they've put into the special benefit analysis plus plus the storage is there storage in that there is but I'm with Tommy on this because there's no no way it's going to increase the value of those properties I mean at all I mean my mind and I and I hear what especially on the commercial properties what they're saying and and I think um I think those are all good points and we can you know talk with people who kind of worked on the special benefit to to get maybe a little more description but I know yeah commercial properties just tend to be higher than the single family properties when it when it comes to an appraisal and and I think they would have some of the background information of how they've come up with that based on sales before and after is there is there going to be final plans of like where sidewalks are going to be and such that are our sidewalks going to be torn out is there new ones going to be put in or there'll be no there'll be no uh skateboarding or biking I know that we get some in the office door right there there will be final plans that we could um maybe have an open house or something on or or talk directly with you I would like to see exactly what's going to be happening up on that there cuz I know you have that sidewalk right next to your building right that's up up higher and right where the skateboard is when we open the office door we get them yeah and then they they jump over that landscape rock that you have around the corner so I know the walk that's being shown here is around 6 seat but it's actually from where your your steps um it's down on the street level right right so we you know we show you still have those two trees there I think we' try if those are trees that you want to save we try to leave those if we can it might mean that there might need to be some type of wall right in that area but in general it was 6 feet right in that area by your building is there any way to get information on how the assessment was created on our property yeah yes could I get that yep and and thank you for bringing that up that actually and that's part of the process of having these hearings and having the public if there's no questions on the assessment no we wouldn't bring anybody in but now that we know we absolutely will bring in the I'd like to like to know how it was assessed it makes sense and and and once again this isn't the final but I mean a good question because that's what we're we're showing the people these preliminary assessments and and there could be some adjustments made we we like to have our costs engineering costs come in for estimates and project costs less than what was shown in the feasibility and and that helps the overall cost too well throughout this process we want to be as transparent as possible so that we get everything all taken care of so that you have the answers and and and that certainly does not mean that we're going to agree all the time but at least you'll have the information that we used or excuse me they used that we have to judge upon so all right thank you you had your hand up there you go NOP there you go come on up there we go Mr namea I'm Harry nalo I own the apartment building on the corner there and uh how much is my assessment going to be on my property there and I have it ain't a lot it's part of the lot the building there I think around $20,000 yeah 19 I've got approximately 56 ft of building on that street oh it's a little less than I thought but probably by the time interest and everything gets in there I just kind of figured around 20,000 after everything's said and done the deal is this you take that and you divide that over 10 years and you divide that then over the 12 months that my tenants are there it's going to raise their rent by 30 to maybe $40 a month if they're going to um you know if we'd pass that on to them our situation is this we're um we're having a hard time right now keeping the two small units filled and um that's quite a bit of money to pass on to tenants or try to uh you know justify that because the marketing is the Market's pretty tough out there another $30 or $40 a month takes us right out of the right out of the uh the market so I don't see see the benefit in it and um the other the lot we we have a lot there but I don't see a whole lot of homes being built downtown Carver you know the O the empty space in there so you know I don't I don't see a whole lot I hope the other thing do that you consider on this if it does pass is that rather than narrow or widening the sidewalk like we have on the building uh I don't know which direction it is but uh you know the new Improvement that Hedges put in henches put in they added about uh 16 in or 24 Ines something like that on that edge and uh took our parking away from the uh from the sidewalk there and I didn't like that they did do exposed Stone I thought that was nice I wasn't I'm not very happy with the um Regular concrete that's out in Fr front of the apartment building there that the uh that the city did because I understand it was going to be exposed which would have went with the building and would have went with the existing sidewalks but it doesn't it looks kind of like a shopping mall entrance or something I think that the sidewalk is if you do this and you go up the street there it can't be widened any I think you need to take into consideration how much room you're going to have on that street for this parallel parking and um it's just my concern is the market and you know we can only go to a certain PL certain uh amount on our on our rent and um this is going to hurt us we're going to be paying for it so thank you get the gall come on in sorry Daryl you can be next my name is Carol Hansen and I'm on 221 West Third Street and I guess my concern is we have that parking spot out in our spot Mrs monal aware of it and if you put a curbing in there are we going to be able to drive over that to park in that area and is that factored in the assessment yeah if there's a parking area that you use um what what we do with curbing gutter is at driveways or at areas where you maybe pulling off we drop the curb down so if I don't know if you just have that one spot where you park it's a driveway where you go into the garage and then along our sidewalk out into the street is like a whole separate parking area was that the old was there an Old Church there or something okay you know it's directly across the street from 220 right so I think I know it's something that um I think we can talk with staff more too I know in in different areas I mean we dropped things down for curbs but we kind of ran into that situation on 6th Street where there was a person that had you know graveled um you know had a gravel spot right next to the curb where they parked and just you know what's what's the the final look that the city wants of the improvements when they're done in that situation we ended up you know helping with the driveway construction and and eliminated that parking right off the the backside of the curb so here I think I think it's something that we'd have to review with the property owner so what I heard from all that is that we will take a look at it and do everything that we can to make sure you would let us know before this takes place absolutely oh yeah absolutely and what would we have the final assessment before that once it's decided how it's going forward I'm not understanding the question well I think the assessment wouldn't be until like August or but I mean if just I mean if you're not going to put the curbing out there so we can continue parking would that still property part be assessed right and I think right now it's like assess per parcel so it's not like looking at um you know a corner or this side of the corner lot or that side of the corner lot so right the property would be assessed but we you would know before um you know before construction starts we'll have discussions with you and staff and and as necessary the Council on on that specific area so you'll know before the assessment Hearing in August what we're planning to do in that area so we we'll make we've made a note of your concern um Dan is the engineer we'll make sure that prior to any plans coming to us that it has been addressed with the homeowner and then another question I have we're on the corner lot so we're on Ash Street and Third Street so what would the sidewalks be looking like on that corner property so we'll replace at Ash and thir the existing sidewalks um is there and I I apologize I know there's the stretch at Hickory that stops short of Third Street near Hickory the sidewalk stops short of Hickory and I can't remember if Fray how should stop short too there's no sidewalk on the Third Street side of their property so and was that one where we thought that if we extend the sidewalk we'll have to pull it pull it further away from the house or get move it closer to the street so I mean the intent is to try to extend sidewalks to each street so that people aren't all of a sudden stopping and then they have to walk across grass so we would we would look at extending that walk and when we get through the design stage you know we can talk with you on on that too and show you how we're proposing because it seems like once you guys widen Third Street our property got shorter and if you're coming in further we're not going to have much property out there okay and then we have the sidewalk going down on Third Street street but that's in the inner part of the parking spot okay so you're you're looking on on the Ash Street side of your proper both kind of cuz you're mentioning sidewalks and I don't know where they're coming in sure you will thank you thank you very much Mr Swanson Daryl Swanson 221 West for street we own the property uh part of lot two and all of lot three where the bridge is going to be and we got an assessment of 133 and entire lot three is in the cek uh 11 ft 11 1/2 ft of lot two is uh easement to the city so realistically we got and 15 ft of lot two hary harvy's got and we've got 26 feet that uh can be used for you know if you don't put in a bridge uh and if it's all going to be grass I or however they're going to do it I just I think the assessment is a little steep not you know I know you have to have have uh money to pay for this but uh if I could go over to the county and say I don't want to pay the taxes on lot three anymore just let it go back to the compy can you explain which Lots you own again I'm not quite sure which on well with the bridg go back if I go to the bridge sheet go to the bridge okay where the cricket where Harvey's is on that where the white car is there there's 15 ft of lot two that belongs to Harve right there okay and then from there we've got 27 ft to the easement of the Dyke so 27 ft and the entire lot three which is were right right in the right in the criek in the no right where the white dots are right here no towards it towards it right where the truck yeah right there entire lot three is in the criek so I mean 133 $133,300 for uh there's no benefit to the Crick I mean it's unusable and with the 11t 11 and 1/2t easement on lot to coming that's unusable too so really 13,300 bucks is a lot of money for 27 ft can we make sure to have that on the list of talking to the so the the only place that's usable is the driveway that goes around the back so so we can find out how the how the person who assessed that benefit came up with that right and I I think they look at because is it your don't think well I honestly you know what there's no point in speculating at this time let's make sure that we get answers so that we can speculate all day long but I don't want to have an argument over something that may or may not be right please so well thank you Mrs Swanson normally I'm afraid of Dar t Team huh normally I'm afraid of Daryl but I'm more afraid of you um Barb Swanson my questions are on we live at 221 West 4th Street the commercial property is 212 Broadway to follow up what darl said none of the building the commercial building is on Third Street at all there's no Frontage on there so it's really just our driveway and I'm wondering about the overall uh streetcape it seems we don't have any bump outs now in what we just did that Improvement a couple of what 10 years ago and so why are we bringing in bump outs now and kind of a modern look versus the historic look that we were in naming for a few years ago this is still the historic district and so I'm wondering why there's such a change to put the slide that shows the big circles on it Barb we do have bump outs on Main Street I have one right next to my house actually where the trails come down on Main Street I mean on Broadway on Main Street there are and then I guess I can't I know there's some on Broadway I think the city talked about putting bump outs on um Broadway when when that was constructed and barbie' got good memories it was like around 2003 I think when that was constructed and and at that time the city wasn't close to 5,000 in population and the county had a requirement saying we don't allow bump outs on our County Road so the city had talked about it then when when in 2009 when when the MCS Interceptor project was going through on Main Street West because we were getting closer to 5,000 and the city asked about bump outs on on Main Street West then the county did allow us because their theory is that they're going to turn over County Road 40 to the city in the future and so they weren't worried about the Bumpus there so I think it's been something that um the city I mean the reason for a bump out is that it's a shorter distance for people to walk so people feel safer I'm walking across that intersection um it allows you to do a few more streetscape items but it it has been something the city has talked about since 2003 when they were doing that downtown Improvement but are there bump outs on Broadway now so there's none on Broadway now but the this discussion at Third Street and it maybe can show up a little bit on you know we are showing the bump outs on Third Street at Broadway and and the plan would be to put them on the other side to on the east side of Broadway at Third Street so would that just be reducing the the street width even more by putting bump outs and I think just changing the whole streetcape of Broadway I said main I was meaning Broadway when I said that Christie shouldn't use seems to me there's a square right we go to that well all right let's let's keep it uh one one at a time let's yeah good question I mean these bump outs are laid out so that you know a semi or a large vehicle can make the turn so um well I don't know that semi is our main concern in downtown Carver with all due respect but County Road 40 is trunk Highway through our city so there are going to be big trucks right and and the radius is set I know people might disagree with the you know we have these turning templates these Engineers are really get excited about templates and turning motion so we we have certain types of vehicles and we say we run this vehicle through the curve and say yes this vehicle can make it buses can make the turn fire trucks can make the turn so we do set out these bump outs for vehicles to make it um and there's you know there's other cities that have put these in there have experience that we've worked with and so we take that experience here to Carver also okay and I was just thinking bump outs aren't hisory um and then a question on the Alley what is the alley width of the alley going to be Improvement yeah I think in general the right of way of the alley is around 16 feet uh and so the improvements would be I think in our in our feasibility study we we have it being um place to that whole 15 ft now we'll we'll get some survey information and and can readjust that in design but at least for cost estimating it was based on around 16 ft okay and then have there ever been assessments on alleys in previous construction projects in the city of Carver um not since I've been here in 19 since 1996 we haven't actually improved alley so this this is the first time that we're actually looking at doing Aly improvements thank you thank you Barb thanks Barb Mr teld Sir your T 2094 Street West uh my question was just on the Alley too what are you going to do what's your and maybe you've already gone through this so I apologize what are you going to do to make the alley better could you please speak into the microphone so everybody can sorry that's okay yeah what what's the plan to make the alley better so so we're going to put in new class five and binus on all the alleys is part of this proposal and the council will make a decision if they want to keep keep with that and then there'll be some work we anticip there's some growth that has been encroaching on the alleys so in order to get maintenance equipment through on some of the alleys we'll we'll be working with cutting back some of that growth that is in or in encroaching on the Alley Mr scoke maybe you'd like to touch on that I know that you had some feelings on uh uh for maintenance issues and plowing etc for the alleys maybe you want to add in maybe not yeah no Dan is uh exactly right A lot of it is just for the maintenance reasons and when we do get heavy rain especially on the hillsides we're picking up a lot of those alleys putting them back in there and really just trying to prevent that okay thank you brik you thank you open microphone come on up harlon excuse me Mr themer thank you you're welcome I'm Harland Tamer I live on uh 100 West fth Street West I was Wonder on Fifth Street West is there going to be curban gutter put in there yeah yes here is past my place and and on on on Broadways they're going to be a sidewalk right now the Sidewalk Ends at my house is there going to be a sidewalk on the left hand side going up to Sixth Street on your side yes yes yeah what about I got them trees and Evergreens I planted in there if you're going to put a sidewalk in there you're going to have to take some of the street away or take or how that's that's all I'm curious if you're going to put sidewalk yeah I I think and I know when we walked that and I know Haron you were you were doing something and then but you you know I think we talked with you a little bit there is that one tree that's I think closest to the street that we felt that one would have to go if we take a tree we can give you another tree as a for replanting The Evergreens I'd have to I don't remember that we're going to affect your Evergreen but I knew that one tree that was map tree yeah and I know you kind of like that that's good we'll replace it though but them two where where would you put the different another tree if you're going to somewhere make the sidewalk yeah I think yeah I'm looking here what we're showing by your yeah I think I think there's some some areas where we can place it you know if we take one of your tree we can trees we can you can put it you can give us Direction on where you would want it on your property we can work there Cindy or the city planner is so quick on her Google Maps and she shows and I see that there's that one evergreen tree and that's an evergreen tree that might be small enough that we could relocate that if if that's an issue well them two evergreens are spe they come special okay okay that's I want to know thank you thank you Mr th Dar come on up oh I'm sorry it looks like it's no go ahead we'll get to you uh darl Swanson in regards to the alley uh behind 221 Fourth Street where it comes down I know there's a lot of uh washing when it rains but when they did the sewer and water the last time they put a curb there that helped a lot uh and there never used to be any water running down there but the curb disappeared so that's more or less why the water is running down I'm just trying to figure out with that high slope how that's going to be uh fixed or maintained I always thought it'd be a good idea to make the alley one way and then because people go out and they spin and throw the dirt out and then the water can run down through there and and I I mean I know we'll have curbing gutter on the north south street so I mean right now it sounded like there was curb at one time but it's it was black top curb and I mean it's was in on Ash Street up on up to our right the street right away where they put the curb I mean it stood up about that high now it's down you know it was black top now it's below the below the street and when the water when it rains the water comes to the east side and runs down it gets down to the alley and goes down the alley instead of if you put the curve if you put storm sewer in there that's going to probably eliminate a lot of that as far as uh washing and stuff but I know it every time it rains half of half the alley is down in m in jargon so but that was sure no never it never used to wash out like that I mean it I mean we've lived there lived in the house now for 50 years and nobody used the alley so and I know what you're saying cuz you know I drove my Ford Fusion and I wasn't pretending I was evil coneval but coming up that some people don't know who evil Canal is but coming up that it is a steeper slope coming up that so I was just wondering how that's going to beo encroach because the there's a garage there you can't right you can't change the can't change the grade either so the the I guess in general the plan would be if we can if we can flatten it a little bit we'd try to do that but you got to match into um garages Etc and so it would be to pave that so that it's and improve the drainage um like you said with curb Street it eliminate a lot of the water that would run down there so Dan Dan gets excited about stuff like that come on up thank you sorry to no worries no worries Julie Kant talk 208 West Third Street I have a couple quick questions um what's class five binus blacktop okay has the city at all considered the type of um asphalt where water can drain in environmentally such permeable permeable oo that's the word very expensive so yes we've considered it and and we still may but the cost is astronomical I would presume prohibitive it's it's 2 3x it's yeah okay what um type of curbs are in the planning um just the regular kind of curbs or the more flatten really cool curves sorry I'll let Dan answer so generally we call them barrier curb so the barrier curb has like a 6 inch height on it but then when we get to driveways we lower it down and then come back up so if you look at streets on Fourth Street or Oak Street or Fifth Street East and Main Street it's all the barrier type curb and the plan for the alley would not be curbed I would presume corre correct um do you have the dates for those future meetings for both the August assessment hearing and the design stage dates those hearings or meetings yeah we we haven't set the assessment hearing date I know um as far as dates to look through the design if we go back to our schedule and you know we're planning to bring the plans in April mid April so we'd have to do we haven't set a date yet it it sounds like if people are wanting to open house we'll work with staff and get one sent out or set up and then sent out to the to the residents again so design plans in April um the assessment Hearing in August yeah and we we put in there August 2017 we used to wait until like October November and then it was very stressful because you got to get all that stuff in to the county and so we've picked I think the the last one we moved it up sooner because of the special benefit feedback so when that date is set you'll also get a notice mailed out into your um mailed out directly to all the property owners and probably in that weekly update that we give we'll probably give the date so that you have a few different Communications telling you when it's going to be so the idea would be to get your email to the city because I would imagine there'll be a email for that too okay and then I think of the last simple question is um How would how alleys are assessed is that by just straight footage um whether or not there's access to Properties or not or straight footage right it's just straight footage it's just on a actually a per parcel so it's it's not like that one property has 1,200 the next one has a th000 it's just per parcel on the Alley if you have that and there's there's two properties that are less than that there's on the stretch from Jorgenson to Spring Creek um there's two properties that the appraiser said well there's just like one there's no house on it and so those were like 300 and 600 dollars but in general it's if you if you live on the Alley it's a $1,200 assessment thank you very much thank you come on on Mr Nima I would like to talk to you afterwards about the market itself um yeah I just have some concern maybe about the bump outs you know um bump outs the bump outs because because you're cutting those Corners pretty tight where you're putting them in I don't think a semi can hardly make those turns unless he goes over the other lane before he comes into the alley or into the intersection and then he puts his tractor over there as far as he can he still probably isn't going to be able to make it so then he has to back up then go again so he's impeding on other traffic that's not a very safe issue and so that's my concern I think it should be yours too thank you does does he have anything he'd like to add normally he comes up and talks and takes over the meeting and I just want to make sure that we give him the opportunity he's thinking about he's thinking he will you want anything you want to add come on up you were just we get that a lot good to see you bud anybody have anything else they'd like to add or question thank you all Mr holder nothing all right so do we just for procedural purposes do we need to close the public meeting to have a discussion pardon what did I say public meeting thank you I'll make a motion that we close public hearing second there's a motion in a second all in favor say I I motion carries all right discuss okay I will discuss um I guess when we're looking at the Alleyways and we did not require the previous downtown improvements to um pay for the assessment to have their alleys done and now we've chosen to take a look at this part of the city doing the Alleyways um so we'll have some done some not so I'm having a hard time tacking another $1,200 um fee onto the assessment that they're already going to be getting for the rest of the street improvements um so I'm just trying to wrap my head around if there the real benefit of the $1,200 for Paving those Alleyways and then how do we go back in in the future and look at the other Alleyways that we didn't assess for um when we're talking about sorry just I just want to make sure that I'm understanding if we have we ever paved Alleyways no okay thanks Buddy Bye Bye so when we were talking about Brian skoke maybe I can get your attention so we were talking about um things that were it was impeding are you saying that the alleyway is becoming smaller or becoming larger so you're having a harder time getting in because the grass I guess you're going to say is is growing into it yeah it's grass and trees and uh that have encroached on it we also have you know garages and stuff that we'll have to tend with but with our equipment and stuff it is getting harder to get in there so I guess for me um it's not a curve and a gutter that you're driving over I mean you're you're driving over grass so it's not a large imped it's not like you're having to drive over concrete barriers and things like that correct correct thank you while I understand what you're saying about the alleys the alleys on the west side of town have some pretty major slage to them and if we just keep putting down rock it just washes into the road so I mean I think we really do need to tiar them I I agree with you and the reason that I agree with you isn't necessarily um I I think we are making a commitment to downtown um and we have over the course of the last probably 15 to 20 years and I think Paving the alleys is extremely important just for a Aesthetics B um logic and C maintenance I mean I think at at some point the option would be is that we don't plow maintain alleys I don't think that's an option I want to go back to the concept A and concept B plans for the bridge area on Third Street I am having a very hard time losing that many parking spots with the concept A Plan agreed and uh as far as the bump outs maybe they don't have to bump out so far because I think we also lose parking by having bump outs don't we right there's you know trying to if I can go back to um don't we potentially increase the visibility on those Corners too though mhm right I know you know where we show the bump outs on the south south side of of Fourth Street I mean we knew that you know you just restripe that I mean in general ah what D in general I'm trying to avoid saying because you know people sometimes people say basically some people say in general everyone I end up repeating in general so I'm trying to avoid that but you can see right at the the corner by City Hall where we're stopping the bump out you know still creating that bump out that visibility for crossing but stopping it so that you aren't losing um spots I don't know if you're losing too much now because you stay a certain distance away from a crosswalk and on the other side you know there's the driveway for the post office so you you have to stop it short there but what we can do for the council and staff has put those turning radiuses on I mean we those are average turning movements that a a vehicle makes um you know some people might turn differently than the next person but it just to show to give people some comfort level that yeah the the width of the bump out you know between the the crosswalk has to be a certain distance and the radius so that Vehicles can turn and make that movement so for me um you know what I apologize were you done mm okay for the moment for I got more um I am not concerned about losing the parking what I'm concerned about I let me rephrase that I'm concerned about losing the parking that isn't my main concern um we've talked to the business owner that is right at that and she is actually in preference of uh option a um which business owner is that Harvey's and one of the one of the things that I think that's not true I mean that's not how it was ported to me option she likes option b oh I was sorry I was I was told okay I was told that she likes option A so anyway but so I'm still in favor of option A for the reason um not necessarily parking but we are going to have an issue with erosion we are going to have an issue with that bridge itself and we are not going to be able to afford it in 5 to 10 years and there will not in my opinion be Federal money available or state money available for the sheer reason that we have three Bridges within a one block area they are not going to fund that bridge so I mean for me personally if we're prepared to come up with a million bucks well a million plus 5% every year because it would be how much would it cost for us to buy that bridge right now and redo it I think the estimate in the report was in that 7 50 or 60,000 okay so plus 5% a year for 10 years 11 years whatever it might be the city's going to have to come up with that CU we're not going to get it again this is just one man's opinion this we are not going to get state or federal funds because three they're not going to build another bridge to move people one block and who told you that um just my experience with working with shipo and working with the feds and the and the Army Corp of engineer um going through the process how long did it take to get what was the first suggestion to go over Main Street for a bridge I don't recall it was to build a bridge over it because of historic right and then we didn't get the funding right away and the reality is and I I don't want to pass that on to the next Council and I I I while I agree that parking is important a million bucks down the road is not a great deal uh I would I would consider doing the one way on Third Street maybe not even doing it any improvements along there at this point while we go out and investigate funding a bridge and see when funds are going to be available and whether or not we will um qualify for them that was oh can I yeah absolutely because it's related to the bridge so that was going to be my question Dan is it something that we can kind of put in an application or kind of get the the ball rolling so that we have our foot in the door with that process or can you explain more of how that process works with the state and is there a cost to that yeah so in order to get on the funding list with the state you have to have a set of plans prepared and then submitted and reviewed and and part of that process if depending on what you were going to do with the bridge if you're going to remove and replace it then you also have to go through that process with shiple where you've got to do almost like a study as I think some of the council members mentioned in the past you had to study well what could you do to the bridge to save it rather than remove and replace it and because there's no his history of the drawings of when that bridge was built um shiple has allowed the city um on the Fourth Street bridge and the Main Street bridge to remove and replace but it still is a process and and yeah there are costs associated with preparing that study for shipo that goes to also the core and then preparing the plans and uh for a bridge to sit there and and possibly get funding we were we were very lucky on the the Main Street bridge and the four Street bridge that funding was sitting there and they were looking for projects to fund and at this time there is no funding and depending on how the the state legislature does things this year we don't know if there's funding for Bridges what was the cost difference then between um concept A and concept B 4,000 bucks yeah it's I mean because we're putting in 47 we're putting in curving gutter on you know concept A with the called the saxs right it's I can go to that chart you one is 35 the other 30,000 so there's not a big difference in in the two options well I have t whoa hello hello um I have talked to a couple of homeowners in that area who have actually preferred is is be the one with the turnarounds is that a a a a so they prefer option A with the turnarounds so I think we should maybe take that into consideration too that there is some um on the other side of the fence who are in favor of that as well as well and then another comment I wanted to take a look at if we are looking at the angled parking turning it to one way and angled uh is there a reason that we might not look at doing one way in parallel um you'll keep headlights out of people's living rooms MH um and you still have Dan how many parking spots have we counted there 12 yeah I think there's 12 on the North side right now with parallel parking I think we had 21 total on the street and then 17 that are affected by the concept A and for that bump out where now they're parking paral or excuse me angled um with that bump out this is far outside the box but if we can look in the future maybe that is outside seating for Harvey's I mean look at Water Street and excels here people like to sit and be seen so maybe it won't be such a bad idea to have that big bump out there and we hope for a flood so that there's moving water just kidding yeah I I think that's the benefit to um I mean with the bump out is that you do have areas where they can be used for other uses and but they currently use Dan if we go with option A a with the turnarounds what uh will there be parking on the west side is there no parking there' be parking anywhere the homeowners very West the very West End would have parking I mean it would be still the parallel parking um just to the west of that right but in the area of the turnaround itself and then the green area and the turnaround actually that first stretch going to Broadway there wouldn't be parking there wouldn't be correct just want to make sure that was clear so just so that I understand what we're trying to accomplish tonight Dan is we need to have a motion reflecting actions taken um the first resolution is receiving the feasibility study and setting the public hearing right that's that's kind of a resolution that's a followup of the motion that you did at a previous meeting so you should approve that this one we need to approve to move forward right the first one is this isn't depicting uh option A this is just saying that this is the feasibility study that we received and we're okay with it right okay let's uh get that going if we could so I can make a motion to approve resolution 107 7-17 reflecting actions taken at the February 6th 2017 council meeting relating to receiving the feasibility report and setting the public hearing was tonight yes I'll second there is a motion and a second is there any discussion on that motion a second all in favor say I I any opposed motion carries uh do we have any further discuss discussion on directing city engineer to prepare plans and specifications on the project so as I see it the one thing that we do need to specify to the engineer and please again correct me if I'm wrong um is Paving the alleys bump outs which is on the feasibility study already um and the uh choice between concept A and concept B am I missing anything parking on Broadway yeah I think I mean correct the parking on Broadway would have to that's going to work itself out well the if you want diagonal parking like we're showing um on those Concepts um we go there cuz we we know there's some areas where we're going to have to remove the parking but in general diagonal parking that first block from 4th to Fifth Street if if the council's okay with that right now it's diagonal on the east side and it's parallel on the west side so the really what we're looking at concept a andb alley and diagonal parking diagonal parking up here on correct go for it I would make a motion that we approve resolution 10817 directing City engineered to prepare plans and spec specifications on this project uh utilizing concept A Paving the alley and including diagonal parking north of Fourth Street there's a motion motion apparently dies for lack of a second would anyone else like to entertain a motion I would entertain the same motion except instead of option A I would say option b and I would second that there is a motion and a second any further discussion all those in favor say I I I all those oppos say nay nay we should probably do a roll call yes thank you thank you Mr mayor council member Henry I council member Johnson I council member Mack I council member Monroe I mayor web nay thank you motion carries Daniel you have your uh marching orders thank you let us now move on to the consent agenda thank you folks very much you guys are going to be bored from here on in not that you're super excited as we speak thank you could I get a motion to approve the consent agenda so moved second Motion in a second all in favor say I I motion carries no one finished business Dan 2017 utility project Cindy's helping me here thank you well there's our numbers if you have any further questions call so part of the discussions on the the projects with the streets on the 2017 Street improvements was the utility improvements and in reviewing that with um the City attorney and the bond Council um the decision was made that those have to be are like separate type of projects and so we've actually dealt with the utility work as a utility report and so the utility report incorporates work on sanitary services and water services and storm sewer work on on these five project streets actually six because I have Jorgenson combined with Ash um at this time um Public Services is anticipating 10 sanitary sewer Services um would either be replaced or some new ones placed for some of the old septic tank areas in in this stretch of part of town as well as Waterman Services also storm sewer system work would be done with improvements and because that is being um well I'll go through those costs the costs are estimated at 6 54,000 and because those are being paid for by other funds and assessments um the city would may consider using utility bonds and I think City staff is currently working with um Springstead on that as well as storm sewer and water and storm sewer funds to help pay for that 654 th000 so our staff recommendation is that you'd have the city engineer prepare plans and specifications related to those 2017 utility report improvements I have a question you just referenced assessments are we going to be assessing Property Owners no okay what did you mean then no these these improvements would be paid for through utility bonds or your sewer water storm sewer funds well you did say assessments didn't you I yeah mayor and Cil I think one of the things this is a little bit of a departure from your past practices so the chapter 429 bonds that the city uses for improvement bonds requires that a municipality use or assess 20% of the project costs to the property owners um if you add the utility portion to your regular Street portion um you won't meet your 20% test oh I see so because let's say the project is a million dollars um and you're assessing 200,000 but you're if you add the utilities on to that $1 million the project you need to assess more right and because of the benefits test and because obviously you know folks are struggling already with the amount of their assessments uh what we're doing is using this chapter 444 Bond and since there are no ass assessments related to the utility work we're basically segregating utility work out it'll be bid out and the same contractor will get the work it'll be the low bid it's just the fin financing methods are different and so it's a it's a good question council member it's a departure from our typical practice where it's all lumped into to one but it's for the purposes of financing it's uh built into two separate projects okay thank you for that clarification um are we discussing yeah you asked my question oh well can I make a motion and then we can discuss further sure okay I'll make a motion to have a city engineer proceed with plans and specifications related to 2017 utility report I'll second that a motion a second further discussion all constructions going to coincide with the street re repairs correct is that it that's all I got all right there's a motion in a second all in favor say I I I motion carries uh moving on Dan the Man Carver Square Sorry Miss Nash thank you mayor and Council I apologize before you this evening are two items related to cver square the first is a rezoning from from General commercial to General commercial with a planned commercial development overlay on it and a site plan is incorporated as part of that resolution and then the second resolution is approving the preliminary plat for Carver Square what this essentially does is takes that larger outlot that was left over after the Carver Dental plat and repats that into three additional Lots on which one of those lots is proposed to be a child care facility they would construct as as evidenced in your plans it shows the ultimate um site plan for the whole area but then they would only be constructing a portion of those improvements as a part of the um Child Care Facilities um development at this time and then the remaining parking improvements and Associated items would be going in with the development of lots one and three whenever those happened in the future you would still see those site plans for Lots 1 and three whenever they are proposed um happy to answer any questions that you have Dave PNE is also here and I'm sure we' be happy to he's playing solitire got nothing my only question is this has been before the Planning Commission it has and they recommended approval unanimously thank you that was my last question um the question that I had was a portion of the site I think it was the traffic study and the site plan review that recommended moving or adjusting the main entrance to the child care facility because of the flow of the traffic in and out of that parking lot is there any I don't know this is a question for you if there's any consideration given to that because I can see where that would be a little bit of a funnel yeah I can see why the traffic consultant recommended that but also given how this property can can lay out I think it would be challenging to move that location to a different location as well so um and maybe Dave would want to answer that as far as any deliberations they gave in that regard yeah we knew you would was complain about the assessments you've been before a few of those please introduce yourself I am H Dave py and I'm with the Community Asset Development Group and the lensen group who own the land um yes relative to that one uh that comment uh we did look at potentially turning it uh but a big Challenge on this site is ponding um I uh I'm not going to get into my argument with d and but we what's happening here um because of the downstream limitations um um the today there's 13 CSF of water that leaves the site at the 10year rank that's sare feet cubic feet right is that it 13 cubic feet per second we're reducing it to less than two so at at full development we'll be at 90% of what the predevelopment was and that's been the challenge as it fits with the site and if we start turning the buildings it turns into where the ponds need to be now we've solved it City staff's been really good we've worked through this um but that was one of the changes we couldn't make but we have done though and uh quite frankly I think the the the consultant suggestion uh of going to wider parking for those stalls that are in front of the building is really a good one because if you go to drop kids off at daycare everybody's opening up and closing doors and they're all there at the same time and so what and we have done that we've gone now to 2T wider stalls for the ones that are in front of the building um we we do think it's we're really excited about the project with this will be a great use uh and it what it'll do is it'll make the rest of the retail on the uh two remaining sites potentially work um we needed to have some kind of draw on the site and that was the the daycare uh was really a high priority and quite frankly so is a dentist those are both uses that draw people in that wouldn't be coming to the site otherwise so yeah I think a lot of people are really excited about the daycare my only other question is is there going to be any kind of outdoor play area yeah so maybe it doesn't show up real good on that site but directly to the South uh there will be an an enclosed play area with Play Apparatus okay um yeah and there's a park across the street there is a par park across the street safe crossing right those little strollers for all six of them thank you thank you David we make a motion to adopt resolution 105-17 approving and resoning from General commercial to General commercial slpl commercial development and a site plan I'll second that there's a motion a second any further discussion all in favor say I I I any opposed motion carries come on one more you guys oh my God I'll make a motion to adopt resolution number one 106-117 approving a preliminary plat for cover square and I will second that there is a motion and a second any further discussion all in favor say I I I any opposed motion carries thank you guys very much thank you mono no Johnson uh pass mock pass thank I'll pass Mr Merck it's a couple items uh the first being there's a open house on Monday March 13th from 5:00 to 8:00 p.m. on the Village Hall options um so we'll be here with staff from leoa daily answering questions collecting comment cards uh the second piece some of you know that um the city has initiated a discussion with the County highway department dep uh regarding the seal coating project that they did last summer uh I've connected with Lyndon Rob jent the Cy Highway engineer last Thursday and uh coordinated a meeting with uh Brian skull and Mike leg their uh maintenance uh director and I think they'll be meeting probably either this week or early next week to go over options I think Brian's been working with their staff to head up some cleanup efforts related to street sweeping and getting some of that uh loose Rock um out of the boulevard areas I don't know if you want to add anything to that Brian no actually unless there's any specific questions about the cleanup um we do have City staff kind of working with the county street sweeper in town so we will be starting early tomorrow morning uh doing the uh Broadway the downtown area and we did start uh today on some of the side streets trying to clean up some of those sidewalks and some of the grass area that we can thank you I get a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn second Motion in a second all in favor say I I motion carries thank you