call the meeting to order first item on the agenda is to approve approve the agenda approve the agenda I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as presented re is your is your mic oh I did not thank you um we have a motion to approve the agenda uh I'll make the motion again okay I make sure do I have a second I'll second all right any further discussion all right all those in favor I I all those opposed all right motion carries second order on the agenda is to approve the minutes from May 2021 Planning Commission do I have a motion I'll make a motion to approve the minutes do I have a second I'll second all right any need to discussion all right seeing none all those in favor I I opposed motion carries all right new business Aaron thank you members of the Planning Commission tonight the first item on the agenda is review of phase one for Timber Creek final plat before we do that I'm going to ask Aaron Schmidt to introduce himself I don't think he's been to a meeting yet so I just want to make sure you all know who we can ask questions to tonight if we have any all right thanks Aaron uh as she said my name is Aaron Schmidt um I'm the assistant city engineer um I work with Aron and staff very closely with all the development reviews so um happy to answer any questions tonight that may come up so thanks for having me we also know that Aaron Smith and Aaron Schmidt is terribly confused but we've asked a member from our engineering team to join us at meetings where there are development reviews just in case questions come up either from the commission or members of the public so you'll likely see Erin or another member of the team joining us if there's a development on the agenda and then Josh is here with lonar I'm going to run through a presentation and then I'll ask him to introduce himself too because I suspect there might be some questions for him all righty let's get into some of the details so tonight we're reviewing phase one final plat you've seen the graphic that's on the screen several times through preliminary plat um a lot split that we recently approved so this is the entire development so tonight we are just taking down phase one which in total is 49 single family homes and 74 Town Homes I'll dial into that in a couple slides but just a general overview of the neighborhood General location is west of Carver Elementary South of Meridian Fields uh directly adjacent to Copper Hills and a couple lats touch um some of the development that would be oak tree oh no it's just Copper Hills and then uh just north of this project you'll think about the project we recently reviewed concept plan The Preserve which is the hamers property so an area of town that's pretty rapidly developing something that is interesting and unique to this property is the opportunity for some Park and trail improvements that we've worked through both with the Parks Commission as well as this group so you'll see yellow throughout the plan shows a pretty robust trail system purple is sidewalk so good connectivity thinking about relation to Carver Elementary since these students will be in the walk Zone I have a slide in the presentation about Ironwood Park we've tasked the Parks Commission with some development of new Parkland that's coming in with this project but overall the project is 349 units again tonight we are only reviewing final plat for 49 single family 74 town homes so what is final plat what does this all mean it's the final step in a review of the Planning Commission and city council so this is the last time you will see this specific phase of Timber Creek so it's anticipated there will be between two to three additional phases so this group will review those other phases but this is final review of phase one uh in Carver there's generally little deviation from preliminary plat to final plat we like to frontload the work at the time of preliminary plat so there typically aren't many Surprises by the time we get into final plat you'll also think about the time between uh when you see a concept plan first prelimin AR is pretty long and then preliminary to final goes pretty fast so that just sets up a way that we can say a preliminary PL yes we think this is where the project is going allows us to move through final plat pretty quickly once the Planning Commission and city council have approved the final plat staff begins work on a developers agreement so not something this group thinks about but something that's really important generally sets the rule book for construction what it's going to look like who's responsible for what what happens if Things Fall Apart part I would like to say it almost covers every situation our City attorney would probably have an issue if I said it covers everything and it's amazing because there can be some strange things that happen with each project but the developers agreement essentially lays out the rules for how we are going to work together uh between the city and the developer to get a project done a little caveat to that is that a grading agreement can be executed after preliminary plat approval so if you ever see Earth moving after preliminary PLA and you're thinking we haven't seen the final product yet it's likely that a grading agreement was executed so that just allows for a developer to do Mass site grading so we anticipate earth work to start for Timber Creek in the next couple weeks so things will start to look a little different if you can see it through the construction of the JCP project so once that da is signed or the developers agreement work can begin in Earnest kind of anything is on the table they can start constructing Homes at that point so details of Timber Creek at the meeting when we reviewed preliminary plot together we also reviewed a rezoning request to R2 with a PRD overlay so what that PRD is the planned residential development and it allows for Timber Creek specifically to have different housing types in the project so single family and town homes no uh none of our straight zoning districts allow for that mix so they applied for a PRD which was recommended uh to the city council by the Planning Commission City Council will review that request along with the final plat in August so some additional details about the project much of the site is going to be open space there's obviously the large Ravine that we're holding on to for a trail portion roughly 40% of the site and then development summary again we're only reviewing part of this tonight but it's 74 Town Homes the remaining single family and it hits that required net density of 3.1 which is required by the Met Council which we all know we need to hit across the entire city so if it's ever above or below it's nice to have some averaging but this project knocks us right at that 3.1 which is always great something to note uh when you're thinking about the rezoning request R2 is the base Zoning for projects like Meridian Fields oak tree Copper Hills Meadows at Spring Creek so it's often the zoning District that projects right now uh apply for and generally are granted approval for so I have been joking lately that the first phase of this final PT either looks like Oklahoma or a pork chop you can choose which one you prefer um the final PT tonight is just the red area so again the town homes 74 of them which will be maintained by an HOA so all of the area around the town homes will be largely maintained by a neighborhood association along with those streets so the streets will be plowed by an HOA not the city's responsibility the remaining single family homes the 49 of them will be typical to uh City neighborhoods so the streets will fall the city for maintenance and then just a typical yard for the homeowner so the area in red is the area that we are reviewing tonight on the screen now is that technical document that we all know the final plat so this is recorded it says the Lots it sets easements it's the legal document that binds the project to the construction plans something to note is that with phase one Monroe Drive has an extension to the Westerly property line of the annex station area so minroe is kind of the panhandle of the Oklahoma final plat that I mentioned something else to note that Monroe Drive as you see it today with some medians and some enhanced um Boulevard trees will continue West so we're continuing Monro to feel like that collector street that it truly is with a bit of a Parkway feel with enhanced uh landscaping and medians so in the packet you notice that there is kind of a unique mention of Ironwood Drive so typically we just say we recommend approval of the final plat to the city council this one has a little bit of a caveat that I want to talk through and Ain probably has some additional details if you have questions about it so Ironwood Drive is the street that goes in front of Carver Elementary uh it's a collector so what we typically say is that no driveways go off that street just so traffic can continue to move quickly off it and as we were going through a review of this project we sat down as a group and we questioned if the left turn lane going into the school could handle the amount of traffic that will develop West so thinking about Timber Creek and everything Beyond when people are bringing their kids to school is that turn lane long enough and we discovered it likely is not so it's anticipated that that turn lane will begin to fail as these new homes come in so we decided to back up take a minute figure out the cor correct geometry for Ironwood we found this to be important just because it is that collector and then it has the proximity to to Ironwood Park so thinking about Carver Elementary and Ironwood Park both pretty heavy users could become a paino pretty quickly one of those things that we often hear about at City Hall that we would like to prevent in the future so as a caveat to recommendation of approval tonight we would like to continue working with the city engineer and the project engineer to determine the final layout of Ironwood Drive that will be finalized prior to city council approval so we're in a review stage right now where we feel comfortable enough that we're going to reach resolution we haven't gotten there yet but we will be there before city council it's a little bit tricky having Planning Commission only once a month that if a project misses that one meeting it often can be delayed six to eight weeks so that's the rationale behind staff saying yes we think it's at a point that Planning Commission can review and will'll continue working on prior to city council so again in overview of the project I'm going to go into some Park details not something that I'm asking you to comment on tonight but a good FYI I think as we're working with the Parks Commission so with the project we are gaining an additional 3.5 to 3.8 acres in Ironwood Park directly adjacent to the lit Fields along Ironwood and the Parks Commission is being tasked with a programming for that area so we started work this actually just this past Monday thinking about what that Park might look like we're going to continue throughout the summer we're anticipating an open house probably this fall so if you're interested in Ironwood Park want to see what this next Park might look like I'll bring an update to this group but also join us for an open house at a future date to see the work that the Parks Commission does so through the project again we're only reviewing phase one um I think Josh might have some details about an updated phasing plan when it came through with summergate who is the developer of the project it was anticipated to be four phases we've heard some Rumblings it might be three so if Josh has an update I'll ask him to give that when he comes up but generally an idea of what how the project might fall so phase one is minroe drive again the town homes and a few single family homes where a few of the phases will be a heavy lift of just single family Ju Just So the park land potentially is what's called Outlaws right now correct yes some places they're showing as Park some place right yep on the screen right now are some samples of what the lenar might lenar homes might look like so a new product coming to town is the Taylor town home so you'll see it in the lower left a good idea of what they might look like front facing garages full driveways which will allow hopefully a lot of people to get off of the private streets onto the driveways for some parking Josh do you mind coming up and introducing yourself green light means we're on yes good evening uh Josh mezer with lenar uh Minnesota R Plymouth um yeah so I guess um the one thing I could discuss uh what Aron wanted to discuss was phasing um maybe eron if you want to go back to that phasing sheet um so obviously phase one were we're looking at tonight um I guess probably the easiest way to describe it from here is we are proposing at this point three phases um phase three would basically be that southern portion what's marked as phase four and then phase two will be anything north of that that is not in Phase One um um that's a little bit larger phasing than we've done in the past but over the past couple years we've um started to have some more efficiencies in how we're doing things so we're able to bite off bigger chunks at a time um of course in this environment that can change it may become four phases five phases but right now the plan is for three phases Josh can you speak to a timeline at all for the project like when you anticipate a model might be in in phase one well if we can get grading going here in the next couple of weeks um and obviously it's something we'd have to work out with City staff and a development agreement but um we'd like to at least get some utility and Street work in to where we could at least start work on a model home here before winter hits and hopefully have something a couple models open for the uh spring uh preview par of homes um a few things uh hurdles that we have to jump to get there but um we've done it in the past so we'll see and and of course weather will determine some of that as well if you don't mind I'll have you stay up here for the discussion okay righty read I'm going to open it up for discussion if any members of the commission have questions comments sure um would anyone like to ask the first question what what about Outlaw one and I think it's one is it L J L I think they're letter H and L or H and I uh J and c I guess oh that's J and C so C is is a ponding area um Outlaw can I start with Outlaw J because I see it up by the so Outlaw J is just North of Monroe Drive so that area will be held as Green Space there will be some Landscaping in that area no construction anticipated and outlot C is indeed a pond outlot C is um phase two along the yellow dash line okay and B is that a pond also it is yes Pond and Wetland yep so the so the homeowners association will be stuck with those no so the homeowners association will not have ownership over any outlots they all will be city-owned but the HOA will maintain the area around the town homes and I'll say um Pond and Wetland ownership by the city is typical go um I just want to clarify on Outlaw H and L those are the parks right so outlot H is a wetland and a pond so that um will not be part of the park it will be because it will be a nice feature with maybe some trail around it but not programmed as a park feature but Outlaw L yes is the addition to the [Music] park I'll jump in if no one else has some questions um on the um on the Monroe Drive I I recall from our last meeting that it it touches part of the neighboring property has that is that part of this phase or along the north Edge can you maybe going details on that sure so you are correct that Monroe Drive spans the distance of Timber Creek and then the area of Timber Creek between the Timber Creek project and The Preserve so you'll remember on the preliminary plot we saw that Monroe Drive clipped up into the preserved property and we're asking questions like are we sure that will work are they a willing property owner so um there has been an an easement agreement so Monroe will be constructed between both properties so that is squared away has been recorded So a good question but no longer something that we need that was a worry that I think that we all had but it's been fully resolved and then um The Fill plan is that will be part of phase one completed all the way to the Far Western Edge correct it'll be graded all the way okay to the Western Edge uh it'll actually be built to Town Road I believe there okay and then phase two uh it'll be completed out to the Western Property sure okay and then um again on that Outlaw J there um so so I I noticed that there's some other uh housing from the other development um along along there so is that part of uh the city's um uh Conservation Area or would that just be like more of a flat open you know big backyard kids playing stuff or haven't got that far yet so it's not uh there's nothing necessarily to conserve in that area so it won't be like a technical Conservation area but it will be green space maintained by the City there wasn't enough um Frontage that we could fit lots in there but we also knowing that Meridian Fields is um a developing neighborhood too we felt it was important to keep minroe as that Parkway collector feel along this area sure so that did like grass and trees and shrubs that kind of stuff yes yep that those little circles are on the yes they are okay um and then uh I had another question about how confident are we on the parking spaces with the with the existing Ironwood Park and you know with the expansion do do we do we feel I think it was 40 spaces is that did we do some you know maybe go into some of analysis on that sure so we uh originally we're going to have lonar build the parking lot we've asked them to pause that for now and we've taken that back on as the city just not knowing how the park is going to develop today so thinking through what a pavilion size is usually dver thek L and we don't of details we didn't feel Comfort Ming forward with a set number so I anticipate that we likely will fall somewhere near 40 just based on the type of programming but at this point we're asking the Parks Commission to program it before we do the parking analysis okay I assume we have some typical formula for like park space times we do baseball fields or whatever for okay um and then uh could you maybe go into some more detail on the specifics of the Ironwood Drive uh decision is it is that the turn lanane coming off of Jonathan Carver Parkway or is it a turn lane on Ironwood itself going into the school you got that one yeah do you do you have that one Aon that picture no okay well so basically as Aon had mentioned as as the city continues to develop to the West um when traffic is traveling eastbound towards the school um to drop kids off in the morning there's a there's a left turn lane that goes into the school and um that's going to um become over overloaded at some point so right now it's a pretty short turn lane that's striped out there so what we're looking to do is extend the length of that turn lane by you know 100 or 200 feet to allow for much more stacking in there um and then also trying to um keep the collector feel as you enter now going westbound into the Timber Creek development um into the Park area so we're looking at potentially having a a few pocket medians in there potentially um depending on how um we configure the entrance where that parking lot will be so we're kind of looking at all that collectively and making sure it all ties in feels like a collector you know it's if we want to distinguish it from a normal residential street um keep that a different feel so that's really what we're working through with uh Lenard's engineering team right now we've actually had some discussions with them this week so we're continuing to work through that and um comfortable that we're going to get a good resolution on that one so any questions on that are are we taking into account the plan expansion of school yeah we'll we'll make sure the turn Lane's long enough so yep does anyone else have questions I have some more as far as the collector and the turn lane and so forth um you know this project I think was initially proposed what a year or so ago I guess from a planning perspective I mean has this just recently come about with the 350 units coming in and just starting to plan I mean I guess I'm I I would personally like to know a little bit more of kind of what the outl of you know I guess maybe not necessarily the delay of um what the plan or the proposal is kind of a thing but if this was kind of on the oversight from the past year you know if nothing's presented now to the Planning Commission on contingent of you know going to the city council I guess just trying to figure out where we're at in that action uh you know and personally I'm I live right on that road so I see that every day with the backlog with the school and and the development and everything that that's going to be occurring here so um it definitely is an issue um obviously with uh you know walking um is going to be a big part of it and the crosswalks and everything too so just trying to figure out you know what the a good resolution is is what you're you know anticipating but what what is what are those plans and everything um yeah so I guess in preliminary plat we were very focused on making sure that we had the the correct RightWay in place so the the configuration of the preliminary plat was acceptable to move forward into into final plat so um I would say it wasn't it definitely wasn't overlooked I think it was more of something that it's just taken some time to develop and really kind of just nail down the final agreement that's you know works for both parties so I that's pretty much where we're at right now is yeah go ahead um something else that I will be really open and honest about is that this is a really big big project so for preliminary plat we do approval of the entire site and the amount of review that this project has taken I think has been surprising just for all of us it's the biggest project I've ever worked on residential unit wise so I would say it wasn't an oversight but something I would say we probably were putting out some other fires before we got to this F and not necessarily a fire but we were working through a lot of details with the development team this is just one that we are coming to final resolution on you're right a little bit behind but I think um the fact that we're going to get there before city council it's going to be something that's important to this project so I'm glad that we are at this point with it and with this intersection specifically again going back through with a lot of Walkers crosswalks um as of right now it's only a two-way stop um which is going north and southbound not East and Westbound um you know what's the overall initial concept is I you know I don't think a stop light is necessary there but is it going to be a four-way stop is it um similar to South on John the car park are with the uh was it the PED or The Pedestrian you know light whatever I know that right now the crosswalks are definitely have to be repainted on the streets and everything uh but what are some of those thoughts on that perspective with that intersection specifically so I'm going to speak out of turn and maybe take Aon Thunder but since Ironwood as a collector I don't anticipate a stop sign in that area going east west just because the goal of a collector is to move traffic efficiently and pretty quickly it's also going to be pretty important to get people in and out of that site quickly which a four-way can do but I would say it's likely wouldn't be successful with an East and West fourway stop there yeah are you sorry Greg we talk about the intersection right by the school you're thinking okay yep how about a speed bump yeah it's touchy right now sorry go ahead I I have a question go ahead as long as we're talking about this issue with the traffic and pedestrians around the school sorry I didn't turn my mic on um how are pedestrian school age children getting to where do they cross from this area where do they where do they cross iron would to to the SCH to the school right now Harwell which is the street here okay well obvious so as I can speak to a little bit there there's a sidewalk on the east side of Hartwell that's closest to the parking lot okay and then in order to get to the school actually you have to cross westbound Heartwell okay and go Northbound on Ironwood to then get to the sidewalks which is in between the school and the and Ironwood Park and then you have to actually cross again to get across um the drive lanane uh where the buses the turn bus lane is for the school to get there so there is no sidewalk on the west side of Harwell oh okay which is Association maintained as right now and I think it's Association land um but then there is sidewalks on both the North and the South side of Ironwood Drive it's also anticipated through Ironwood Park that the trail system will fully connect so I would be hopeful that several kids would opt for the trail through the town home area through Ironwood Park to the school okay well I I'm less concerned with the children who are north of Ironwood than I am with the children who are to the South sure yeah uh so and and with the collectors like has a question for both Monroe einwood and so forth um asked I think in in past uh meetings but um is it development responsibility city responsibility for uh lighting and and everything I mean where where's the plan for that because I know on iron word drive as of right now there is no Lighting on ironware drive at all do you want to talk about school children getting north of iron yeah sure so so um the way so we're we're going through um street street signs all that stuff in final plat right now so it's good that you brought this up um The Logical um next stop sign location is probably going to be at Boulder way um which is yep right there CU that that's where uh Boulder way is also a kind of a collector street so that makes the loop back up to Monroe so at this point we're thinking that one's going to be a four-way stop cuz you have the residential to the west and the South so that'll kind of be the Gateway into the residential neighborhoods okay um and then continuing to the north to Monroe as The Collector route so that's um where we're at now um I we can look at the one at the school but I don't know if that's gonna be the right choice I think for sure looking at the crosswalk situation there that that should all get planned into that design um all the striping signage like that um we're also considering potentially um having a median in there so I don't know if we could get a refuge in there but um it's all stuff that's kind of on the table at this point that we could look at and I don't know I I don't drive on Ironwood very often so uh or Monroe for that matter um especially now yeah especially now now um but I was just curious uh this doesn't have anything to do with development I'll make it quick are there reduced Spades during school hours on those roads not currently okay we might want to look at that there is one gcp that's the blinking light but not on right now yeah I think we in the future let's have a look okay speed limit in the 30 30 correct Y what do we which is normally that's what you slow down yeah said 25 to people actually go through yeah School in school zones you can go slower than that during specific hours school hours yeah a conversation we could have with the engineering team to take it a look at this holistically sure trouble is you can put signs up to say anything that doesn't necessarily and then what about I was going to say and then what about the lighting Street lighting street so as part of the pl Cal we do have a street lighting plan it's typical neighborhood lighting Monroe will continue the same decorative lights so you'll notice they're kind of the bulb like Lantern the lantern yeah that's a good word for it so those will continue along minroe um Greg I'm not sure about so Timber Creek obviously starts west of Copper Hills with Ironwood so I'm not sure if um lenar obviously wouldn't put street lights in on that stretch but we could talk about if you were looking for some additional lights in that area yeah I mean I just know with Ironwood Park currently with the two Fields being utilized the last two Falls and once you fall back in the fall it it gets dark dark dark um and there are people playing on there at 10:00 and when the lights go off at 10:00 on the field you can't see anything out there at all um and so other than at the corner of JCP and arm drive with the top of the stop lights there are lights on there and then there's a light in the very I guess northeast corner of Harwell and iron R drive but after that there's no street lights at all on iron R drive going completely westbound so that's good feedback too as we're developing the Park West just to start thinking about that with the parking lot too and with sidewalks as of right now uh on both north bound or north and south side of Ironwood Drive um you know having some lighting and especially with the the trail expanded trail system and so forth it would be uh nice and safety reasons and so forth to to have uh Lighting on Ironwood Drive um as far as the park goes um is that City maintained Park yes it would would be part of an extension of what's already currently at Ironwood Drive or excuse me Ironwood Park correct yep um with that and I know currently with I park they're utilize uh I think irrigation from the current Pond systems and so forth is that going to be an extension for the the new park system um I know that we've had I don't know if it's been difficulty this year or not I know that we've had some water issues and so forth but um Ironwood park right now looks pretty rough it's dry um very dry very weedy as right now so it is very rough looking and that's just another concern of we have additional park space right want to maintain it and everything yeah I'm not sure that we've gotten to that detail yet I know that Ironwood field and Copper Hills were a pilot program for like a reuse system with Carver County so I think we'd want to work with Carver County see if the project is successful across the board before we dial in and say up or down for yes or no but yes Ironwood is currently a little crunchy like most of your yards I suspect it would be hard not to be this at this point I mean this year is just no I I understand it's just a question of additional park space and so forth and you know you hate to you want it to thrive and and live and everything it's just uh yes this year has been very tough agre so I just have one more question about this this development uh in the packet are um talking about this first phase what did you say in the first phase uh or or maybe it was for the whole development that 400 and some odd trees were to be taken down but none had to be replaced because that's our yeah so our ordinance I don't know I don't know about that our ordinance as a percentage and since the site doesn't have that many trees to start with and there's so much preservation in the Ravine area they technically didn't have to fulfill a replacement they obviously are with the amount of trees that they're adding back to for the development right because I I would imagine they're putting trees on every lot or a tree to take a farm and develop it into a development often isn't a ton of tree removal just from the nature of the land right now so okay you could say out of the goodness of their hearts they're giving us the trees but okay how many trees per lot are we doing I think where typically two I mean but that's one of the front on lot themselves but then of course there's a ton of perimeter plantings and you typically will plant you know anything that's along the collector um if there's a transition there's not here but there's not a street transition between density of type of homes we plant in between those okay so this is a I will I will was going to say for a a site of this size the fact that there's only 400 some odd trees that are being removed that's pretty morac MH oh yeah definitely but I was just surprised I mean we've talked about true removal replacement many times I just never heard of us having to talk about yep so this is just a snapshot of mro Drive obviously but like Reed said all the little circles are trees so you'll see that the town home area is pretty heavily buffered along with the Lots moving West that are along minro you can also see in these Lots here the two trees that Josh mentioned so a Boulevard tree along with a backyard tree each lot yeah it'll be great so I I have so I had uh another question we went back to that kind of overall map um on the side colored does that work Yep this one um so again following on Greg's so were there going to be some crosswalks on between Ironwood across from the park and the town homes or do have we got that detail so that kind of two yellow lines going parallel along Ironwood those are sidewalks correct here yeah yes so that uh Loops the parking lot okay and then on the North and South there's also sidewalks on both sides of Ironwood once we get into the development correct okay and then where were we thinking or was there planning on where a crosswalk between those two would be the crossing location would probably be at the four-way stop okay down Boulder so it would be you know half block away so that'll be stop controlled okay so be safer okay and then um I know typically uh at least in our neighborhood the the home there's like a home rization small Park is that planned on here somewhere not you know not part of the city park sure a few jungle JS or something ours in our neighborhood there is at least it is not so uh component of the parks master plan that the Parks Commission worked on was moving towards Regional Parks as opposed to pocket Parks so this site um there's the playground at Carver Elementary there's osen Park in Copper Hills and then we are thinking Ironwood will have some pretty expensive Park features that will drw there okay yeah I just noticed it wasn't right making sure I had missed it um do any of our new members have questions okay um anyone else I oh go ahead great I have another question I didn't see any I guess followup notes from past meetings but I know that there has been a few questions concerns on the southern part of the development uh bordering you know the finle property and so forth has those been addressed looked into there's it's been resolved you know what's uh what's taking place with that yep so um since you're since that has come up I guess in preliminary plat I think that was discussed um we have um actually been out to Mr fle Farm we've met with him um The Watershed um had some good conversations with him that's um that's a phasing item that'll happen in phase three now so the last phase of the development is when that will um touchdown on the Souther southerly limits of the property so um we have a really good idea of what's going on there um walking the site with him so that's just a matter of kind of working out the final details and phase three or whenever that is so yep good c um I'm just curious is Mr fingle satisfied with yeah what's been happening yes thank you good yeah all right I guess uh I'll ask for a motion to approve phase one final plat for Timber Creek contingent on alignment of iron Drive do I have a motion so move thank you do I have a second I'll second the motion thank you Greg any further discussion all right all in favor I opposed all right motion carries thank you thanks Josh thanks yeah nice to meet you Josh you too thank you new business part two the Strategic plan presentation yeah [Music] right you can [Music] [Music] so this is like the fourth time that Brenda good has heard this so like if she falls asleep it's not representative of the presentation nice to meet you see you soon think about changing your name yeah you don't have to do it just think about it was first you yeah oh so strategic plan so um it's an this is an exciting opportunity for for folks like me to kind of share kind of what's going on with the city and and I've talked to the Parks Commission about this on Monday and the HBC on Tuesday and then tonight the Planning Commission and I've started off because it's kind of fit with something that's kind of gone on with me personally and some of some of you folks have can probably appreciate this like so I have a 15-year-old and a 10-year-old and I've been kind of lamenting thinking about my 15-year-old kind of graduating and like seeing him less that my baby's become like you know growing into this man here and spending less time with him oh I'll take so we went so we just got back so Monday after or Sunday night we got back from a a road trip to the Black Hills and I'm more of a home body and my wife's kind of the planner and after a lot of encouragement we finally got there and had a great time and I have to say it was like one of the best experiences I've had in a long time and it was because we were we spent all this great time we capitalized you know to kind of use a business phrase on some opportunities to spend time with our kids and it was intentional we planned it out and we created these opportunities and how that comes back to the city is without being intentional without planning out you know opportunities things are just going to move by so just like your family you know like a a city we're going to if we don't plan we'll be just become a series of developments stacked on upon each other at random times um and with this strategic plan you look for those opportunities you're intentional and frankly a really good example and uh it's Appo CU Cindy and Jimmer here is you know we all have driven through the Jonathan Carver Parkway Improvement project and all the construction well the seat of that started in 2015 I think Jim and cdy were both on the city council that strategic Plan called for a corridor study and a series of meetings with the county to talk about the Improvement of Jonathan Carver Parkway and not just kind of the streets and the curb but what you'll see here hopefully in a few months is that the vision of that was it for to be a sister road to Broadway that when you drive down Jonathan Carver Parkway your experience will be that I'm in Carver just like when you drive on Broadway you know you're in Carver and there was a there's been a lot of people from 2015 to to now that I've worked on it but without that strategic plan without being intentional we might have we might just see you know four lanes some curb and some Boulevard trees but when you drive down that this fall around September October November maybe for sure Jan for sure next spring for sure next spring um you should hopefully you'll remember this conversation and say oh I get it I I feel like I in Carver and I I think when you get to that roundabout I know Aon spent a lot of time with uh a task force on that you'll feel like you're in Carver I mean just the renderings you know get you at least get me excited um so kind of moving forward uh the city council talked or had a their strategic plan uh this past uh March uh so two days with the facilitator and department heads kind of going over what our initiatives are and it kind of split out into five buckets Community engage Communications and engagement Community Development Downtown Development infrastructure management in organizational development which is kind of the internal uh guts of the city uh so excuse me Communications and engagement um it's not by coincidence that you'll probably see the mo that you see the most tasks here as I would offer that Communications and engagement at this point and kind of how cities provide services is just as important as what you're actually doing uh for example yes the construction and the curb set and the gravel equivalency base for the Jonathan cver Parkway project is super important the grades have to match the water has to drain but no one's talking about that on Facebook right now they're talking about was I notified that there was a detour how's this going to affect my route to to work is someone speeding through my neighborhood I don't think anyone's been talking about the speed bumps but I think in a few weeks people will start talking about speed bumps on Facebook no no did they haven't started talking get in a few months scared them all so my point is is that Communications is I would almost argue sometimes more important than the actual work that we're doing and so um I think you'll see here a representation I'll just focus on on a few key ones especially for the Planning Commission you see kind of the front end of the development so all these new homes um at one point we did a kind of an informal survey or from our community survey we found out that I think it was 80% of our residents have moved here since two the year 2000 and if you think about you know Carver as a as a place you know about a thousand people for its first 100 years for the most part people had similar backgrounds and experiences and so one of the things that the council really wants to FOC on focus on is training and education and bias and inclusion how can we be welcoming um so that you don't have to feel like you were born and raised in Carver to uh to feel a part of community groups to be on a commission uh to participate in a issue that's impacting your neighborhood and so part of that two and three after we kind of go through that training kind of find out kind of understand um What's the phrase that we're looking at is kind of find out what we don't know we don't know what we don't know I mean uh some this topic can be complex sometimes it's political based on who you talk to I think that it it's really simple we we want everybody at the table and how can we get them there and how can we make them feel welcomed and so one of that one of those pieces is written Communications can we use plain language one of the uh examples that I've used you know I've been working in code code books for many years and sometimes it'll take me three or four times to read a code section to understand what we're trying to ask someone to do um and it's funny to blame the City attorney but right now we're kind of in between City attorneys so we have to kind of blame ourselves but my point is there's an opportunity to like aon's working on right on right now an update to the fence ordinance can we write a fence ordinance that you could read once and say oh I get what I have to do I have to it can be this High it can be located in this area and I have to apply for a permit um but we haven't had As Cities a good history of kind of doing that it's very legal ease it's planning for the worst situation and so when we have opportunities to update our codes update our policies just communicate in general are we using plain language are we being inclusion um and then the the other one that I'll kind of focus on at the end or if you want to interrupt me here happy to answer questions because I won't go through every one of them um but the resident guide to to Water Service I think is is critical um we work on that every day we have folks out in the field working on water service we have billing internally and it's so complex and I think we explain it to a point that folks really don't comprehend it it's not as simple as you know just trting on your TAP we want to have people more involved with how water is provided and give them the information not to convince them that it's affordable or they're getting a good deal but so that they can participate in a discussion about it and with their neighbors or with me or with folks on the city one of the the things that I think is interesting is we're quite often compared to communities that are around so Eden Prairie chasa Chan Hass and Victoria and I think of those to use kind of an analogy which I I guess I tend to do from time to time I look at those like brothers and sister brother and sister cities well Eden Prairie was about 5,000 people in the late 60s chasa Chan Hassen 5,000 people in the late 70s early 80s Victoria in the 90s early 2000 turned 5,000 or 5,000 now but we're comparing ourselves for example to our older brothers and older sisters and we want those same services for that same cost even though they have the full-time jobs Etc they have the tax base and so just having that narrative I'm not sure if that makes Carver's water any more affordable I you know I have my own biases that you know we have X amona cost we have 5,000 people to split it split it between you know they have X amount of cost and they have for example even prayer they have 70,000 um carber water can still be expensive if you're going to water your lawn and you want that lush green lawn I know that I'm trying to bring my lawn back from that Water band and I'm worried about getting my water bill next month but I just think having these conversations and giving people the tools to have kind of a well-rounded conversation will put all of us in a better position so uh Community Development which really impacts this group I'm going to focus us on uh the top one which Aon has been working on with the County CDA and the council's going to be having a what we're calling a housing Forum actually at this coming Monday so if you're interested uh those meetings are on online you can watch them later or feel free to to come and participate in that and kind of watch one of the things that the council's really focus on focused on is kind of differentiating between and defining what life cycle housing is and I Define that as housing for kind of all times of your life so just getting out of school uh your first time home your your second home where maybe you're kind of moving up you know senior empty nester Etc do we have homes for All Points of your life and at different um price points so do we have rentals available do we have rental town homes available um one of the things that the council's focused on is can I get into a single family home for $275,000 oh what at one point in Carver's history and I think Jim and Sydney probably are aware of that at one point probably in the early 90s that was available to a lot of folks um my first home was a beautiful old Victorian cost me [Music] $999,000 so what we're tasked with doing and the CDA will really be helpful as helping the city council and staff and the Planning Commission and the community understand and what's happened since you bought your home to now so land prices development costs what is that because Carver I think has always been known at least recently as you can get a little bit more home for your money but that statement has been kind of drifting a little bit as you know I don't think that statement is true anymore right so as 212 developed as we got connected to the Met console sanitary sewer system that you know as kind of Metro has grown into the Southwest those things have changed as 212 expands four lanes out to cologne and then now recently from cologne to Norwood Young America that's going to change the dynamic and this will be an opportunity for the council to have that conversation and the the hope is then after that Aon can take that information and work with the Council on developing a housing action plan so you can work on getting affordable housing Workforce housing um you we might have to use different tools to get us there you know you know there's grants through the Met Council there's the use of some public subsidies tax increment financing tax abatement Etc uh there's a land trust that you know the land the cost of the land kind of stays frozen over time so that you're just really buying um the home on top of the land to kind of keep pricing down there's a lot there's a lot of options there but until we are all kind of singing from the same sheet of music it's going to be hard to to set a direction there Downtown Development um I'm going to focus on on two pieces one that the the Parks Commission just recently talked about on Monday uh so the picture to your right and it was startling to me that they didn't have a color version available but that's Riverside Park in 1991 um I don't know if it's going to show up yeah so for those of you that uh maybe are new to the area this is to my knowledge this is where the old Riverside Ballroom used to be and the story that we're we're sharing here that you know this picture helped kind of um formalize for me is that Riverside Park for decades if not Generations was kind of the park the Gathering space in the community well if you go down there now those ball fields are gone that grand stand is gone the ballroom is gone and it's just in my mind and in my phrasing it's struggling to figure out what it wants to be cuz it's not that developed Park anymore that you see at community Park but it's kind of it has kind of a relationship with the river that's not fully developed because it's mold and manicured like community park and so one of the concepts and outgross of the um strategic plan was could the Parks Commission develop a concept that would make Riverside Park more of a natural amenity so as an example you know instead of mowing the grass down to kind of a field length you know plant native grasses and flowers uh to have like a bird watching habitat instead of Paving Trails have mow Turf Trails through these Wildlife areas have perhaps a lookout area to the Minnesota River that makes it more of an appendage to that us fish and wildlife Trail kind of trail head right there I don't know if we'll be there or we'll get there but exploring that concept having a conversation with the council and making it something a little more unique to Carver words it's like oh have you been to Riverside Park they have uh thus and so uh the Parks Commission had a really I think a cool idea um I said it again but uh you know to put little um kind of landmark signage where old amenities used to be so think about if you've ever been to Camp Snoopy at Mall of America they have the home plate for the old met Stadium like to put something kind of in Riverside Park where the old Ballroom used to be and where the old grand stand used to be is kind of kind of a walking History tour of that Park so stay tuned for that I mean the county fair used to be there right yeah so and then the second piece um which I think is is is coming up as a really critical project is the relocation of the Public Services storage garage or some people might know it as the former fire station um so the city council just completed a space study uh for that for public services in the fire department that calls for about a 10,000 square foot uh storage or equipment building behind the existing Public Services Garage on uh Jonathan Carver Parkway 801 and so kind of setting that aside the the goal of of this is to remove that building it's kind of at a key intersection Main and Broadway in the heart of our historic district you would never build that type of facility now on kind of a green field spot open spot in the downtown and so to take that away and then make that into a catalyst site and one of the things that you know the Parks Commission looked at was making that area into a splash pad and that got some momentum and slowed down and one of the things that's kind of come up and this is also on the agenda for Monday is um kind of looking at at that again and making it more of a community Gathering space so it has a some maybe Splash Pad features but we're calling it more of a downtown park where it might have a small performance area some uh permanent uh games so example like a couple concrete ping pong tables or cornhole boards a spot for food trucks um and so if you when the packet comes out uh tomorrow afternoon the suspense yeah I'd invite you to take a look at it because you know eron has really spent a lot of time kind of working through that with the landscape architect from Bolton and mink and talking to council members the Parks Commission um it's one of those and I know I have kind of like probably a sentimentality for this but I got really excited when I looked at it thinking about like what that would mean for our community um because when you add on like Scott County is working really hard on bringing the trail bridge across from Scott County and landing in Carver having that place where you'd stop Park your bike get a coffee at the new coffee shop have your kids play around you know maybe there's a little concert in the park I mean gazebo Park fills some of that it's really small um but at least for me it gives me kind of a sense of like a little bit of a Renaissance for downtown I think downtown Carver has gone through several stages I think early in the 2000s you know there was a big reconstruction part project that changed its face but I think now we're in this other period we you know this building the new coffee shop you know they're doing a lot of restoration work to their our building next store Carver liquor has put a lot of investment into their building we're going through kind of another phase of that and to think about that old kind of industrial garage going away and being something else I think is a it's an exciting possibility to bring in a lot of people back into the downtown which is you know to borrow a turn from Burnsville it's kind of the heart of our city is downtown Carver um you know what that building was originally right that was a county building and they put it there because it was on County Road 40 so they didn't care what happened what was going on in downtown Carver but they put it there because it was convenient for County Road 40 and you know West yeah and then it was the fire station right after County was done with it so I mean it's just a center block building it's not it's nothing special right is isn't it historic no no absolutely not absolutely not historic good um good I was just going to whatever happens there is going to be somewhat dependent on what happens with the levy yes so yes and no so the there's two schools a thought on that so one the Gathering nothing related to like the Gathering space concept that you'd see in the packet tomorrow would be contingent upon the levy being certified now there's another school of thought out there that holds hold off on that Gathering Spot and wait till Levy is certified and develop it into a two story Brewery or restaurant um my concern I think Aaron would Echo it or Erin does Echo it she's probably well Erin why don't you speak to that because I think you're better spoken in that area so we've been talking a lot about that side just what we think it's going to be what our hopes are for it and I am right with that crowd thinking it would be a great spot for a two-story Brewery overlooking the river it would be I think a draw to downtown I don't think it's going to happen in the time that we are the people sitting in these seats so for a certified Levy that project will be roughly 10 years out is what we think right now so thinking 10 years out and then there are some serious site constraints to that site it's really small there's not a lot of parking to have a twostory building you have to have an elevator which can be between 5 $1,000 to a million dollars just to get people there so to find the needle and Hast stack person who would want to invest in Carver for that type of building for the constraints that are there with the timeline is there could it be incredible yes do I think it will happen personally I don't so we're looking at a way that we can use the property to what we think is the highest and best and most realistic use which I think is taking charge of its future today and putting some work work in at this point is that right next to the church by the river too right it is yes biger right that City own another city owned property right you should check out the packet tomorrow sorry so no that just it ties in well okay uh then kind of related to infrastructure you know one of we talked about being 5,000 so one of the things that we just started negotiating on with the county is a turnback of County Road 40 so you might think of County Road 40 in different pieces but it's essentially main uh going from Jonathan Carver Parkway to Broadway to Fourth Street East and then out old caror road is makes up all of County Road 40 and what the city would end up doing is end up taking it back but then through a series of conditions at the count so looking at pavement drainage intersection geometry so like T spacing um then we'd end up taking it back after they made the improvements that the city would require in order to take it back um so one we end up with a better Road and two end up with control over that section and so something that has been discussed for for many years frankly uh but we're to the point now we're we're going to go through that one of the pieces that the council wants to look at though is as a part of that is establishing a better pedestrian walkway from Carver bus Parkway to downtown um so I don't know what form that'll will take whether it's a bike lane or off Street Trail uh there's obviously some physical constraints with Carver Creek and the bluff on the other side U but really an intentional look at how can we get people from the Carver bluff's neighborhood into the downtown safely yeah um speaking of since uh to work on Jonathan Carver I have to come around and uh around 61 when you get a 61 and 40 that's pretty I find that pretty dangerous yes light the which one the sorry I mean it's a very just if a fatal accident to happen so is that in the plan so it's not in this plan but uh about two years ago the city participated along with chasa and the county in a corridor study for 61 and that intersection would be reconfigured as a part of that construction project but it wouldn't be with this I think they're they're doing their down it's broken up into three parts the first part is from uh autobond to 41 and then uh 41 to just pass the curling Center and then from the curling Center through to what yeah from the curling Center West to Levi Griffin Road or Jonathan Carver Parkway it'll get done if they have a plan to improve that intersection I just don't know if they have a date for construction but good point that's all all County right that's all County Road through there that's not jasa or us it won't be 40 40 won't be oh sure well the you know it's one of the so Jim brings up a good point so one of the things that we're negotiating out it's kind of a a greeny detail but when the county does a Improvement project they'll often their methodology for who pays what is based on leg of the intersection so if we have two city streets and the county roads going through we pay 50% so what we're going to negotiate is if when 40 turns into a city street whenever they improve 40 and 61 the County's going to pay that share the city's not going to that's what we're going to be requiring um so when the construction is done though that intersect there isn't very much traffic making a u-turn at that intersection so it it's not as bad as it is now yeah yeah I almost saw an accident there this afternoon you know one of the you probably can find it on the County's website I do believe that um what their geometry would show is that you couldn't go north or towards back towards Fleet Farm um from that intersection they'd close up close it off so you could only go right with the understanding that Mount Hope Road is a collector and if that you're going to go to Fleet Farm they'd prefer you to take Mount Hope Road rather than go towards chasa and then basically take a U-turn back 61 yeah sure that's a pretty D yeah and then the second piece you know you're probably beginning to think like Aon is doing a lot of work but uh so Ain is facilitating the discussion with the council in August on kind of the future of mass transit in the city so the city has a operations grant that we're using to pay Southwest transit for bus service to downtown Minneapolis and the U ofm we have several years remaining on that but we're going to be facilitating a discussion with the Council on when that Grant ends what level of service do we want we own the carver station facility the building the parking lot Etc what do we do with that do we want to keep owning it do we want to work out an arrangement with Southwest Transit uh there are kind of various paths that you can go on there and so we're going to kind of lay that out uh several years in advance of kind of being at the end just to get some direction from the Council on what they're thinking just just out of curiosity I'm assuming Southwest Transit is looking how they're going to change with the construction of Light Rail yes they're I mean they're in an interesting position and that they're not just a light rail but they're coming out of or coming into a new normal post pandemic you know um and I think you can see that with some of their new service um new services so prime prime MD they do uh something specifically for grocery um I think Southwest and the is it Minnesota Valley the Shaka folks you know there there's a whole kind of slew of new relationships and Partnerships they're at least discussing um their executive director CEO Len simit is I think about a year away from retirement so a lot of changes and maybe how Transit is provided or mass transit is provided in the southwest Metro I don't want to get too much off topic but with the Carver state is there an agreement with obviously Southwest Transit from a timing perspective to plow that whole entire parking lot we we plow the parking lot but I mean as far as the city I I I've seen situations where City resources are plowing the whole entire parking lot and on a good good given day prior preco maybe not even a quarter of that Park Lots being utilized where then there's city streets that haven't been plowed yet so I wasn't sure if there was yeah that you should you shouldn't see that I mean well no I mean there's we have an obligation to live right there I I get it give me a second TW yeah probably we we do so we do have we do have to plow that you know at a certain time of the day for that service um there are times throughout the year where the school will use that for overflow parking and so you know and this is I'll take the heat for this you know I don't think it's a great idea to not plow that whole parking lot we put somebody in a payloader and they plow that um I don't think it's representative of a situation where for example the street that you live on is not getting plowed in deference to that lot getting plowed and if you feel differently or or people in your neighborhood are feeling differently about that i' i' I'd love to have a conversation about that but I I don't think anybody's neighborhood is getting plowed earlier or later because of that parking lot you feel differently uh I I at times I yes but I just wasn't sure if there was what the agreement was with the city of Carver and South Transit yeah we they don't have expectations other than we're being a good like it's our responsibility plow the lot and so we'll plow it we put in a a part-timer we don't PL and maybe this will help with context we don't plow residential streets with that same piece of equipment we have now three plow trucks and we rotate on a um kind of a system that Chad shell the Public Services director kind of implemented so that's what I mean by your streets not getting plowed any earlier or later those three big the big plow trucks are what's plowing your street and then we go in with a separate piece of equipment to get at the CU thex so um it's it's not for sake of people power that a Street's not getting done at a certain time it's we have these three plow trucks that do the streets and so you know whether it's plowing um the ice rink or the the carver station it's not impacting uh the timeliness of when your Street's getting plowed I don't know if that makes sense it does and I know that like southw Transit some of their early bus services are very very early so yes you would want to get that roadway plowed and parking lot right established and so forth for for that to be used yeah and so forth yeah but you know it's good feedback to get if there if there is a you know sometimes the perception per perception is worse than the actual issue and so if there's this perception that you know streets aren't getting plowed early enough um and there's like a service disruption you know that's something that we want to know regardless um but if it's if it's one of those where it's just noticed but it's the streets getting plowed at a reasonable time anyway you know then that's something like I'd still like to have a conversation at with either you or your neighbors to say like what's at the root of this is there something else that's maybe the Rock and the shoe that's you know maybe causing this concern totally had a random thought here so with the Housing Development Housing Development we just well we're talking about snow in the middle of summer exactly uh so do you guys do like an analysis on like City resources and is that all part of the preliminary when you say City res like how many plot trucks do we need if we just put in 400 new houses or or 100 or 80 how many we proed today we don't get that figh not they detail okay you know um we we could but I would no I I I I just didn't think about it until 10 seconds ago we just brought it up I mean you have a capital Improvement plan you do plan for growth grow and the equipment we need and sure the the Personnel we need gotcha okay yeah we have a population like for 5,000 people people you need or something that not necessarily not necessar yeah we do we have a 5year capital plan that we update annually so we review the years and then we add a fifth year um there are some folks kind of colleagues of mine that I would offer as kind of Big Time data wonks in that area where you know they would probably they probably they get into what you're asking and probably it's probably you know you kind of work in the area that you think is the best you know and that's not my area cuz I I think every Community is is different and yeah I mean we can we have kind of the under Lanes of like you know if we add this this many homes or this many you know we wouldn't think of it necessarily as homes but miles of street is okay kind of the computation that we use um but I think like especially for Carver there's so many other factors of like you know we have some really significant Hills going into the downtown and so to plow uh Mount Hope Road Four Street and Fourth Street West are a lot different than you know two miles in um Lester Prairie where it's just straight away flat and so um part of our process includes so I'll send out the capital plan to the department heads and then they'll meet with their teams and say what do we need what are what are you experiencing we take you know if we have like Service delivery issues or concerns if we're getting um the amount if we're getting some concerns or noticing that we're not taking care of the snow plow and a what we considerable consider a reasonable amount of time then we'll change so we made a big change we added a third plow truck um and that's a really big issue for our city in that we only have two big plow trucks and we had an unfortunate incident where one of our plow trucks was down well when you have two of something and one goes down all of a sudden your Fleet is down 50% so we ended up uh getting a truck lent to us from the city of Jordan for a couple of months uh last year and so not just with development but just other factors we added that third plow truck so now we have a fleet of three out that can do you know we have plow maps for every neighborhood so that's what kind of get back to Greg's point is like those maps go out and if it was Aaron Brenda and I we were the plow drivers we' get in those three trucks and we'd plow our roads and so whatever is happen what else whatever else is happening in the city doesn't impact when the city hall sidewalk is getting um shoveled or a parking lot in Lion's Park is done because it's we everything is kind of planned out um that was a long-winded answer to a short question but I do that from time to time we never talked about it in the two years finally occurred to me have any of you gone through a comprehensive plan process H was it last year we did one two two years ago two years ago oh okay I just missed so every every 10 years too bad ah sorry but when we did it in the in the late 2000s we were expecting the population of Carver to be 18,000 people last year okay and we planned somewhat accordingly for that it turned out it never didn't Happ I mean there was a there was a housing crash that's true I guess I mean we were we were building pretty strong at that time frame and then all of a sudden stop sure and we would have been fiscally in trouble if it wasn't forry right he saved so speaking of that's a great transition Jim I have you to think Finance director so um of you have the the privilege of knowing Kathy Eli just a really great person when she started with the city our population was you know over half as less or half as much as what it is now and she's still the only person that's really doing Finance on a day-to-day basis in the city um a lot of Helping Hands but at the end she's the only kind of skilled trained accountant on staff um and so we want to provide her some support we spent a lot of money on Consultants to to help us with various projects and so the what you'll see in the long-term financial plan and in at least in the draft of the 2022 budget is to add a finance director position it would be in in compliment to Cathy's existing accountant position Kathy is uh coincidentally you know probably about a year or two away from retirement and so uh we think there's a good piece there and as we grow we're going to have uh significant Finance issues and we want to be strong in that just as we are strong in Community Development Public Services law enforcement Etc um and then the other piece that that I'll mention and again I'm happy to answer questions on any of the areas but uh reviewing our sustainability efforts via the greens uh step cities program we joined that voluntary program both a year and a half ago um the city council is actually looking um at their Monday meeting they'd be buying their first electric vehicle in building inspection so electric uh gas backup it's a mitubishi uh Outlander um but again just small things that we can do in this program to be good stewards of our natural environment so um one of the another thing that Aaron was working on so does Aaron get help I just went over all the things that she's working a baby she doesn't need 2023 so like like the employee survey climate or the employee survey to measure organizational health and climate is one of the tasks that I'm working on it's one of those things where you know anecdotally you feel good you know just based on conversations and interactions you have with uh the team but we want to be kind of more intentional about measuring that and seeing maybe where we have some blind spots to improve so we can you know be strong in employee retention have a strong culture which we think then is an outgrowth of the services and the um experience that folks have when they reach out to the city because in many instances it's maybe once a year or when something's really bad that they have that experience and so we want to make sure it's a positive one so that's it hopefully no one went to sleep on that where were the jokes huh jokes I did the yolks vagon one sounds pretty good see the guy can't tell you how disappointed do you know what kind of shoe of frog wears you hear what he just said what the guy I was going to hire had a better sense of humor it's not true it's not true that was actually a very good presentation ex thank you very much excellent when are you going to build a new water tower uh resurfacing resurfacing that was resurfacing but a new a third water tower would be development dependent so uh if we yeah there's one by Mills Fleet Farm and one off the M Hope Road but the so primarily if we develop in the southwest area of the city so you know where you take a left on 11 to go towards Jordan basically across the street from that there's a developer summergate actually owns it that was originally involved with Timber Creek uh several hundred acres they uh were originally or organized under tff and now there're summergate um but if they they had a plan for I think it was close to a thousand homes out there if that would develop if you think about the topography or geography of the city you know it's lower than where we're at so you're going to have to likely build a tower at some point in that development um timeline to in order to provide uh adequate water pressure primarily for fire protection question when it comes to those developments does the city pay for it or can that cost be put on to the Builder or developer and say hey you want to develop here we want you to but we need you to build a water to I don't know how it works yeah ignorant so that's a really great question Phil so as a part of our Capital plan so we um plan out what we feel like are going to be expenditures in most areas and we were on the borderline of planning for that third water tower we left it off because we don't think it's going to happen by 2026 but let's say that it was so all the water and sewer expenditures are tabulated and and then our um we use ABDO EK and Myers helps us from a financial perspective they do calculations and based on the growth and the gallons that we're pumping they do some calculations and they're bore out through what we call a water connection fee and a sewer connection fee so every time you see a house built um I think the number is close to $9,000 right now for water they pay $99,000 in a water connection fee that is their share if you will of that water tower okay so and this it's a similar program for sanitary sewer um which thanks to the council I mean one you know for a city that has its own sanitary sewer system um as far as like a treatment plant very expensive the regulations are always changing this is me kind of brown noosing here but thanks to previous councils they connected to the I'm not coming back either the Met Cil we connected to the Met Cil sewer system so all of our sewage is pumped and essentially treated at the Blue Lake facility in Shaka um but if you look kind of Points West like in Watertown in Cologne they have their own waste water treatment facility and the NPC uh changes guidelines for what's pumped out of that facility as kind of a clean product almost on a yearly basis you know related to phosphorus and effluent Etc that it it is really expensive and then often times um the just the capacity the amount of gallons that they can treat is limited based on the size of their plant so um that was really a Tipping Point for the city as far as growth because without that capacity that's provided through the Met Council uh our growth would have been stunted based on our inability to provide capacity to to new homes and businesses thank you all right thank you friends we wanted so we named the Monroe Drive after cinity but the Wastewater Plant was gone so we could after Jim how was that for a joke all right all right um he didn't mean that moving on on the agenda Communications anyone anything else they like to add or well I just well I just want to say one thing next Thursday uh book sale in the chasa library and it'll go on through the weekend there be a lot of good books had the opportunity I thought you were going to rip me there so all right um can I have a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn go ahead a second second Krista all right all those in favor or any discussion all those in favor I iOS all right