I have 7:00 let's call the meeting to order please join me in the pledge of allegiance conratulations to the flag FL the United States and to [Music] theice all right uh Mr Meritt can you do a roll call attendance please council member Henry president GL Henry council member m council member m council member [Music] s council member Mayor Johnson present thank you uh welcome everyone and thank you for tuning in to tonight's meeting we value our residents and community members and we want to make sure that anyone who wants to participate and provide input can do so this meeting is available via the city's website by clicking on the video link under upcoming meetings on the homepage at cityof carver.com or you can join remotely via Zoom conferencing services and provide input information related to joining the zoom conferencing Services can be found on the city's website or attach the agenda for this meeting we ask that anyone wishing to address the council wait to be recognized by the mayor be respectful wait for your turn to speak and don't speak over one another callers will still need to provide their names and addresses for the record right uh with that can I get a motion to approve the agenda I'll make a motion approve the agenda motion second motion by council member Henry and a second by council member mcnight any further discussion all right Mr Mayor can you do a roll call vote please council member Henry hi Glen Henry council member s Lor s council member mcnight hi Joy mcnight Mayor Johnson hi Courtney Johnson all right uh motion passes moving on to item number four Community comment for anything that is not on the agenda this evening um and Brent let's see looking for your Hub looks like there's a call in um if anybody has any comments thoughts questions that they want to share at this point that is not on tonight's agenda now is the time to do so all right um hearing none let's move on to presentations and reports Deputy perper we am I first of all am I saying your name correctly I think you're on oops I got you okay am I say did I say okay deputy um I don't know if anybody gave you a heads up that for new introductions we like to play uh a game of two true truths and a lie okay did anybody let you give your heads up on that they did not okay well uh you can either uh Dive Right In and tell us a little bit about yourself or give us two truths and a lie whatever is your preference uh hi nice to meet everyone I'm Deputy per I'll be the new uh kns Harver Deputy um to help the citizens of Carver I come to the city of Carver with approximately four years of law enforcement experience um two years of Prior experience at another agency of very similar size to your guys' city I'm very excited to be here um and I look forward to meeting more people and um making Carver a safe and better place to live great thank you Glen did you have something to say I just want to wel US city gber and um just um looking forward to meeting you and um just I hope you enjoy thank you yeah to Echo gillan's um sentiments Charlie had a lot of really really nice things to say about you so looking forward to getting to know you and welcome you to our community likewise I appreciate it thanks for having me here tonight and if anyone has any questions be more than happy to address them but um I have plenty of experience uh with the Sheriff's Office and um last year I was the county sofar um so I helped with the city of Carver a lot especially when Charlie was um out on his leave and very familiar with the city and um kind of the things that go about so I'm very excited and looking forward to it well welcome to Carver we're happy to have you anybody else have any questions comments for w perper no I just want to say welcome I did get to meet you um really briefly at the uh fire the house fire that was on Ramsey Avenue in my neighborhood so thank you for all your help and support I know you were on scene early and I think late as well helping to control all of the traffic surrounding that um so I appreciate all of that and it was nice to meet you then welcome absolutely thank you all right um thank you Justin appreciate it all right uh moving on to item 5.2 the legislative update representative Nash you're not a stranger you're not new to us so we'll spare you from uh Tut but what's going on in St Paul I was thinking of several oh good well I mean I'm always a fan for the game so if you have them two truths and a lie um I planted American flags outside of the East German Embassy I once was gored by a bull and of all the different culinary things that I love to eat okra is uh on the list and one of those is a lie correct okay show hands everybody oh not many people know your story about being gored by a bull representative Nash which one is the LIE hey Casey if you wouldn't mind putting yourself on mute please thank you um all right representative Nash which one of those is the LIE uh number three I despise o all right good to know tell us about what's going on in St Paul this year thank you madam speak Madam speaker Madame mayor members of the council uh Jim Nash state representative district 47a Western caror County uh I'm entering my fourth term in the legislature uh I am the assistant minority leader and I U also and the uh minority lean and ranking member on the state government finance committee this year uh we started back um and it it's been a gentle start to the legislative session um I would say uh you have seen a great many things popping up about the state legislature and uh certainly the federal uh legislature but what we are focusing on right now um from my estimations if you've been looking at budget numbers and you've been watching forecast numbers you've seen that uh the State deficit is lik to be quite pronounced so I am uh looking very closely at all the different things that people are asking to spend money on uh I have asked the same question to a number of U constitutional officers and department heads uh as they bring us their budget request uh what are you planning to do in a time of of less money being available to curb your budgetary spending um we've had already large budget increase request and the reason that I'm doing that Madam mayor and members of the council is because I do believe that the state has a requirement first to invest in things like infrastructure and Madame mayor you and I spent many hours on the phone together both talking to each other and uh talking to other legislators this last bium and I I got to tell you I'm very disappointed with the way things turned out uh for those who are watching for the first time uh we have tried a number of different times to get a bill into the bonding Bill to fund the levy project there in the city of Carver and I was more than disappointed with the final outcome of the bonding bill that took forever to get past um I if you know me very well from uh two truths and a li we still have a little work to do on on that I guess but you know that I'm not much for spending um I I am a very conservative fiscal person uh but yet I was very much in favor of spending money on the levy and my colleagues uh saw it differently so once again if we continue to get heavy snow melts in a certain period of time if we have a heavy rain or somebody has a heavy thought we could see some some trouble and I am going to begin working now and uh Madam mayor encourage you and the council to join me in beginning to set the table for these things but all that to recap uh right now I'm I'm asking anybody who comes before the committee and anybody who sets up a time to meet with me to talk about their next biannual budget to do more with less uh because I know cities have Counties have individuals in their home are currently doing so and I don't believe that it's UNT word of me to ask that state agencies do s similarly um we are meeting remotely like yourselves and uh I it is very low on the collegiality scale uh so I appreciate you guys do something that's kind of fun to break the ice a little bit but we don't do that so well at the capital but I I hope that with the Advent of the U the vaccines that we're going to see a return to St Paul and return to normal life for folks around the district and around the state but you know I'm singularly focused on reducing our spending getting people back to work getting back to business and uh trying to do funding projects that quite honestly are the Constitutional requirement of the state of Minesota to provide infrastructure and safety for its people and I believe your project is one of them uh so you've heard meals before I'm happy to stand for questions because we often times uncover more in questions than than I do in a presentation well thank you representative Nash um we do appreciate tremendously your support you know that um our conversations our interactives have been very narrowly focused and that Levy is absolutely at the top um of my list of um wants and in Carver it's more of a need my question for you is um looking through your your crystal ball what is your anticipation in terms of a a really small bonding bill this turn around well Madam mayor thanks for the question I I think that we're going to have to first set the budget because we are required in the in the Minnesota Constitution to balance the budget the bonding bill is um typically it's in an off year so we have seen for the last number of years a bonding bill every year uh so I I my crystal ball on this one is a little cloudy to be really honest I I don't know we have a lot of work to do to get done by May um I don't know if we're going to meet beyond the end of a regular session I I would say that would be partly predicated on whether or not the governor relinquishes his emergency Powers um but if we are able to balance the the banal budget and might happen to beat some of the forecast expectations there there may be a bonding bill um there will be some projects from an infrastructural perspective that would likely be on a concrete and rebar only Bill a guess but really to be honest with you the council and anybody watching it's a guess right now I I couldn't say definitively one way or another the the budget has to be done first got it yeah and I understand that I'm putting you in a tight spot again acknowledging it's that crystal ball that you're looking into just wanted to see what your gut was saying um and when you say concrete and rebar that doesn't sound like the ingredients for our Levy that sounds like roads and bridges correct well I I abbreviate it as a concrete rebar to say that we have fixed infrastructure projects and I would consider a levy to be one of those things uh you know if you look at and Madame mayor I think that you probably began scrutinizing the bonding Bill probably more than you ever had and because we had a couple of conversations about things that wound up into the in the bonding bill you know we had public amphitheaters that quite honestly no one's life depends on whether or not a public Amphitheater is is built um if I get one thing done in my time in the legislature and who knows how long that'll be I would very much like to get rid of um things that of more of an esoteric matter in in bonding bills I think bonding bills are important to the point that they are investing in things that motans depend on to live in the cities that they live in or drive on the roads they drive on or things like that if we could remove some of the I call it fluffy bunny and unicorn stuff if we could remove those from bonding bills I think we' be heading in the right direction and it would leave more room for projects like your own so that's that's what I need the conrete got it um thank you thank you for expanding on that um and helping to clarify I'm also wondering and I know that it's probably also a question um of others on Council but um curious as to what your best guess is for the future of local government Aid yeah well we're hitting every Base today aren't we um sorry well no LGA is an important thing and back to when I was both Council and mayor in in the city of Bonia I have always admonished people to never plug that in as a Dependable number into your budget simply because things like this do happen and uh I would not be at all surprised if if cities do see um a formula change to their LGA members um I'm that's purely prognostication at this point but I would say that LGA is certainly an area that uh has historically been a place where uh cuts are made you know I I remember when I came in to City Council in 2009 uh that formula was changed when things began getting better the formula was improved and it's gone back and forth I think that a historical look of LGA numbers for any City in the state of so that gets it um you'll see it go up and down quite a bit so I my guess is you'll see probably some some changes to the formula probably not the rosiest answer you wanted but you don't pay me to to be uh to be purely optimistic you pay me to to be honest and I think that that's probably a thing that you'll see is a change to the LGA ful yeah no and I wasn't I was asking for your gut and what you're opinion was of the future not necessarily for you to paint us the rosiest picture so I always appreciate your honesty um Council does anyone else have any questions MC night's shaking her head Len's shaking his head Lor is shaking her head um representative Nash maybe just one more question I assume you're working on um numbers more recent than the I think it was December 1st state budget forecast which was coming out better than expected things have taken a turn well uh Madame mayor the the forecast was better than expected but it's still the ultimate assessment is that there will be a deficit so I mean you can you can say hey we got if it's like a family budget hey we got an extra $5,000 in a paycheck but that doesn't necessarily solve a larger budgetary issue so um when we get the next forecast and when we look at more uh month-to-month numbers as we head towards the time where we actually have to have our budget bills fixed uh you'll see probably a better picture and that's really one of the reasons that I I do try to forecast some some caution that I represent is that while you may have seen a quasi promising number in a last forecast that doesn't always mean anything um I do believe that we are we're going to see slight improvements but when you consider that we went all the way through the budget surplus uh in a matter of months it's going to take a while to be able to get back to the point where we're actually filling that budget back up again let alone be at a a zero or break even perspective so um if if I'm wrong great uh but if I'm right and we' planned accordingly then I think we're in a better position okay thank you um Council last opportunity to ask questions if not um representative Nash thank you for your time I will be I appreciate you being so proactive um and getting out here so early I will be in touch and hopefully we can game plan for all things Levy for 2021 yeah and Madam mayor and members of the council if I could for those uh watching at home uh if administrator Amic would make my contact available to uh Folks at the end of your uh video feed when you post this to the web page as a downloadable uh video uh if that's how you handle it uh please do put my contact up there I'm more than happy to feel questions and take calls from folks um and I'll I'll actually just my my cell phone has always been published from the day I first got left two years ago um my phone number is 95287 6416 um please don't sign me up for any multi-level marketing but I am happy to take your phone calls to answer questions for anybody uh that happens to be watching this this evening I'm sure you just like the rest of us are already getting the calls about your car's extended warranty so um about 12 a day I think I had three um representative Nash thank you appreciate it have a good evening thank you mam mayor thank you council members y um all right item 5.3 Southern Valley Alliance Katie Katie Shaman am I saying your name right Katie yes do you say right um why don't you tell us about Southern Valley Alliance yeah definitely I'm G to quickly share my screen with you oh that isn't working that's okay I can just tell you about it Brent looks like he's working on it he'll oh okay you should be good now if you want try again all right can we see this yes we can wonderful so um my name is Katie shelman I'm the community engagement coordinator for Southern Valley Alliance we're located in bplan Minnesota we are a nonprofit organization that provides services um to victims of domestic violence I do want to quickly give a warning about the topic that I'm going to discuss it could be triggering depending on your Liv experience so feel free to mute the computer or step away for a moment um if you need to so we are a prevention and Sol solution focused organization partnering with local law enforcement County Legal systems social services and Healthcare Providers to make the communities of Scott and haror counties a better safer place to live our mission is to assist victim survivors and and domestic violence in the local community I've been part of this wonderful Organization for about six months but Southern Valley Alliance has been serving your community for the past 39 years Maxine kushki founded Southern Valley Alliance for battered women in 1982 after leaving a 32ye marriage where she herself was a survivor of domestic violence we've served over 21,000 men women and children as they try to live a healthy violence free life and last year we changed our name to Southern Valley Alliance to reflect a more inclusive and Progressive approach as domestic abuse can affect anyone not just women I'm honored to be with you tonight to share about the importance of recognizing and standing up for victim survivors within our community to share about the critical work that we are doing in your community did you know that one in three women and one in four men in the United States have experienced some form of domestic violence or domestic abuse in my lifetime in the state of Minnesota more than 65,000 adults receive domestic violence services from programs every year we'd like to think that it doesn't happen in our own Community but the truth is is that domestic violence can happen anywhere Southern Valley Alliance is the Sole Provider of domestic violence services in Carver and Scott counties and we assist over 1500 victim survivors every year in Carver County alone we provided services to 255 individuals in our 1920 fisal year and we've assisted 398 victim survivors in the city of Carver since the organization began our programs and services include a 247 confidential crisis line that is staffed by train Advocates we have Crisis Intervention and advocacy that helps um navigate the legal and court systems for viced survivors safe housing Partnerships unfortunately there is no domestic violence shelter in Scott or Carver counties do we partner with local businesses like hotels to provide Emergency Shelters or we partner with Minnesota day one to find emergency shelter Services nearby we offer online support groups currently because of covid-19 and um soon we will have in-person uh support groups once again and once Co is over we will once again be offering free on-site child care for those support groups we have a children's visitation center which provides supervised visits for children and their non-custodial parents and then Community engagement and Outreach where I go and educate local law enforcement legal and Judicial Systems medical staff teachers and students social service providers businesses and Faith communities about domestic violence here's a quick snapshot of our 1920 fiscal year report we were able to provide services for over, 15500 Serv um victim survivors 500 over 500 in Scott County 255 in Harver County with 913 Crisis Line calls answered over 500 volunteer hours and 197 visits in our Center while Southern Valley Alliance assists all victims of domestic violence it's important to highlight the prevalence and impact of Dating Violence on teens especially during the month of February nationally February is acknowledged as teen Dating Violence awareness mon to help shed light on the issue of Dating Violence did you know that one in 10 high school students has experienced physical violence from a dating partner just in the past year help us raise awareness by getting involved at www.samm.org through increasing awareness training and building relationships we can Empower victims educate our needs inform our neighbors and partner with agencies that are invested in the and wellbe of our community again thank you so much for your time this evening and for having me as a guest and especially for partnering with us and ending the cycle of violence in Carver in stock counties we wouldn't be able to do this without you Katie thank you um oops Katie thank you um council do you have any questions for Katie go ahead Joy um thank you for coming and presenting this information I thought it was really beneficial your presentation um just a quick a question about um shelters within Scott and caror County are there any plans that you can speak to I don't know if that's part of your organization's Charter or what can you tell us about any plans I just I see the numbers in your presentation I went wow that's a lot it is a lot and we would really like to have some sort of shelter come in the near future but there are many challenges that we're currently facing um getting permissions uh financing and um just some some different issues um even within the counties that we had to kind of work out first um so hopefully sometime soon we'll be able to do that I don't have a whole lot of details on that specifically but as we continue to grow and get more information about that I know that it will be shared out thank you what was my only question all right any other questions see Glenn shaking his head I see Lori shaking her head um thank you Katie I know um Christy reached out to area Mayors and I met with her down at your um facility sometime when the weather was warm or late this summer maybe um and it was you have a really nice setup um and she shared a lot of the same details that you went through tonight so it was good to get an introduction to the organization um and also um perhaps not good to see that this is a service that's being used in our community but good to know that it's available um for folks who need it so thank you very much appreciate you coming out in your presentation thank you have a good evening thank you you too all right um let's see moving on we have no public hearings this evening um I would entertain a motion to accept the consent agenda I'll make a motion to approve the consent a motion council member Henry a second and a second by council member mcnight any further discussions Mr Mayor can you do a roll call vote please council member Henry hi Glen Henry council member m um Brent hello everyone and um lry I feel that I probably want to recuse myself from voting on anything tonight I've been out of commission and don't feel that I have surgery and don't feel that I have prepared myself for the meeting so um as long as Larry Harris doesn't have any issues with that I prefer not to be uh to be voting on on issues this evening unfortunately Christie my recommendation Christie would be that you excuse yourself from the meeting right now you're a council member and you're participating in the meeting I'm not telling you not to watch it I would suggest you announce you're leaving this meeting feed and you're going to go to granus and be an observer that way you can see everything that happens but otherwise you're at the meeting and technically present you have either vote orain vote this is interestingly without naming any names this is the second time this issue has come up in the very recent past and that's how we resolved it the last time we suggested that that council member watched the meeting on granus so they could be informed and see everything but because of their condition they wouldn't then be called on the vote because they're not okay so Larry um you just said that I am able to abstain I do have comments on something coming up on the agenda which is why I'm here well you're either you're either at the meeting or you're not is the problem all right then I then Brent if you want to roll call on me we I Brent I guess I will um hi chrisy Ma than yep council member s Lorie s council member MCN hi Joy mcnight May Johnson I Courtney Johnson all right the consent agenda U post passes 5- Z moving on to item number 8.1 the Timber Creek annexation Miss Smith thank you mayor and counil tonight we are reviewing an application from summergate and Westwood members of both teams are here um for questions if you have any when I open it up for discussion at the end of the presentation tonight we are reviewing annexation for Timber Creek which is formly the sun property a project we've been working on collectively for a while so I generally like to say that there are many processes that we need to go through this is another hurdle for them to cross so Timber Creek we previously have seen a concept plan for the project June 2019 they recall a year ago which is crazy January 2020 we worked through the environmental assessment worksheet together based on the number of units that are proposed on the project and tonight we are working through annexation so upcoming still is preliminary plat rezoning and final plat so tonight we are not considering any land use decisions um related to pre preliminary plat resoning or final plat it's just annexation which is essentially pulling the property into the city of Harvard so on the screen now are two uh two maps the one on the right is the cono plan that you reviewed in June showing a roughly 350 units proposed by summergate with the development partner of Westwood a mix of town homes and single family homes all of that is fine and dandy but not something we're talking about specifically Tonight Tonight is just the annexation process so on the left you'll see the area that is to be annexed into the city so extending our Westerly property or West City border about 160 acres to the West adding the Timber Creek oron property into the city of harvor a little bit of detail annexation 101 so what it does again is that it adds additional property into the city of Harbor and this is a process that is pretty involved both with the township so do Township the city and the state of Minnesota as part of that the township does a 30-day review the state additionally does a 30-day review so right now we're right between those two before the city can act on an annexation the township has 30 days to review and they compare everything against our orderly annexation agreement so some of you might recall or remember some recent work that we've done we've been in an orderly annexation agreement with delren Township in 2009 which generally just sets the rules for annexation so it has a map included that says this is the area that we think will be in the city of Carver someday this is how we process an ations kind of sets the the rule book for annexation so something else to think about when a property is annexed into the city the default zoning is agriculture so no matter where the property comes in when it comes in it goes straight to egg so rezoning is generally required each time that a property comes into the city so as part of the Timber Creek process we'll move forward with rezoning as we consider preliminary and final plat there's a cat in front of my screen and annexation gives the city land use Authority so right now we cannot make any decisions on property the outside of the city because we are not the uh unit of government that has authority over the property but once the property is in the city that gives us the ability to move forward with something like a preliminary PL resolution resoning and final plat so things that annexation does not do we do not contemplate specifics of the project tonight we do not consider the type of units where it's located how it lays out streets any of that and it does not approve preliminary or final plat a little bit of an update if people are watching at home we're continuing to work through the preliminary plat with the development team um it's a really big property so we both are trying to be really thoughtful to get to an end product that works both for the development team but also the city but having it be the largest project that Carver has seen we are cruising through plans together hoping to move forward with preliminary plot uh lakely to the Planning Commission later this winter so again left screen red outline is the annexation area right is the general conso plan that we reviewed June of 2019 so as part of your packet there is a resolution for annexation it'll open it up for questions again Casey with Westwood is with us tonight Corey from summergate oh flip those two from Westwood Casey from summer game they're both available part of the development team if you have questions all right um any questions Council Joy you're on my screen so no Joy's shaking her head uh Glenn my only question was for counselor that um thisly annexation falls into um everything that we already designed and have set up with dog correct does yes perfect Lori questions yeah I have a question um for the representative from summergate and just from um feedback questions I've gotten from um neighbors is uh summergate the scene that has summmer Creak in Lakeville yes okay right thank you that's it Lori y okay Christy giving you the opportunity okay thank you okay um Erin my only question is you said that the size of this is 164 Acres how much of that is buildable um that's a good question we're still working through some of that with Outlaw area based on the number of units some of the ponding that we need streets there is um rehar there's some topography there some is a a good okay a good way to say it um we are working with the project team um to figure out some of the areas P this back up so you'll see this the dark area here is a it's a full Ravine um the topography I used to think that hawthor Ridge was pretty uh hilly and had a a large trail system this project puts h to shame so the area highlighted here is largely unbuildable there's also some areas near doll road that get tricky with the topography too so off the top of my head I don't know the exact acreage that is buildable but a very large chunk of the site will be preserved either in Outlaw for an HOA or by the city for preservation both of trees and due to due to pretty drastic topography okay thank you um that is it for my question uh can I get a motion to adopt resolution 10521 approving the annexation of property in accordance with the orderly annexation agreement 1428 Madam mayor oh okay Madame mayor can I make a comment first I I want to go back to something Miss mock said before um M mock is elected to stay in the meeting I want to make sure that stands that she's free she has to be called upon to vote but she's free to obain if she deems that's a vote because she's there she has to be asked for vote but if a vot is to obain that's also appropriate and I wanted to make sure it's generous with thank you thank you for clarifying Larry I'll take make a motion thank you Larry so I believe it uh the motion Glen um made the motion Joy you're seconding the motion sure that's if Glenn made the motion yes yeah I heard his voice right before Larry hped in so um we have a motion by council member Henry and a second by council member MC knight any further discussion all right Mr Mayor can you do a roll call vote please council member Henry hi Henry council member s hi Lorie s council member MCN hi Jo MCN council member m council member mockup St May Johnson uh I so we have um a vote of four in favor and one abstention the motion passes all right um moving on to item 8.2 the downtown Improvement project Mr Merrick thank you mayor and Council if you just give me a second here can you see that slide in front of you we can yes so kind of before I get into the the nitty-gritty of the project I just wanted to kind of go over where we're at the process so the council has talked about this informally at during some work session updates um and I just wanted to add some context before we get into the project or if we have a project because that's essentially what uh staff is looking to get feedback on the councel or for the council from the council excuse me tonight so tonight we'll review uh the project and the financing kind of how we got here um look at designs project constraints so primarily that would be with um the street curve that kind of infrastructure that you see um and then agency requirements which in this case would be primarily Carver County uh we'd be looking for feedback from the Council on that design um and then as at the end of the day look to either move forward with one of the designs that you see here tonight send all of them back for some modifications on maybe a preferred scenario or um frankly you could say you know we're not interested in moving forward with any of these we have kind of the um all the information presented to us uh we don't think that it meets our original intent we're just going to um leave the condition kind of quote unquote as is so tonight we're really kind of asking do we have a project if the council would decide to move forward that second step would involve modifications as suggested to staff from the council uh we reach out formally to property owners and other stakeholders to notify them of an attending meeting I give them a draft site plan of what we are proposing meet with them as needed get final agency review and comment which would bring us to our third step uh which would be uh plans and specifications for that for that scenario an opportunity for property owner and other stakeholder input uh and then ending at the end of that meeting with the council considering to approve plans and specifications and advertise for bid there are some additional steps where you'd have to then approve the bid um Construction starts but uh these first three steps I think lay some some context so so moving on toward the project I'll just give some background to the Cil for those watching stop the screen share for a second uh so the the city council had previously asked staff to look at improvements to Broadway and Main that would facil itate a four-way stop at that intersection uh the intersection currently functions as a three-way stop with self-bound traffic having the right away through the intersection uh the request was due in part to the additional traffic that's anticipated related to the Jonathan caror Parkway Improvement project as well as some safety and walkability improvements in the historic downtown uh we did do some coordination with Carver County Highway as the road primarily functions as Carver County Road 40 uh in this section of Broadway in main excuse me Carver County highway is requiring either sidewalk bump outs uh be constructed or the elimination of parking stalls to facilitate uh sight line standards for that four-way intersection the city does have similar bump outs at other intersections throughout the downtown uh primarily third in Broadway and fourth in Broadway we also took this opportunity to look at had I would say a collection of miscellaneous projects throughout the downtown and so I I'll present kind of the overview of those and then eron Schmidt the assistant city engineer will and kind of get into the nitty-gritty of those um as far as engineering and Technical background uh but you'll essentially see uh some scenarios of bump Out Construction at the intersection of Main and Broadway including uh any necessary curb work and storm storm water work sub sidewalk infill on Third Street West and Third Street East uh in the area of Third Street West this is specifically there's probably about a 12 to 18 inch Gap from the curb to the sidewalk uh which in retrospect uh if originally designed probably should have been designed as a full sidewalk but there was a a gap in there for a Boulevard yes can you go back to the presentation that has a map of some of this y I'll go I'll I'll go yep I'll go through I'm just kind of going through those pieces okay sidewalk replacement and then finally over on the financial end um the estimated project cost conceptually is 225,000 which would meet the requirement to go and publicly bed the project that includes construction and Engineering costs uh the city has approximately $270,000 uh in unused Bond proceeds from 2019 Improvement project we did uh coordinate with the city's Bond Council Mary ipple and the city is may use those Pro those project proceeds on another project or another 429 project which the city did do a downtown project earlier in the last decade that is eligible to use those funds so getting back to um council member s's comment I'll bring back up the the shared screen so I I can uh walk through some of these pieces with you so again uh these are the areas of the project and then just an overview of the project um so this F this first section where my cursor is uh this is the area of Third Street West um so that when that project was designed the city was very intentional about creating boulevards and not having sidewalks to curb uh there is an unintended consequence there of creating that though there's and I don't have it exactly but there's essentially about a 12 either a 12 to 18 inch space in there that's very difficult for those Property Owners to maintain on its own it would it would be probably a difficult project but if we're out here doing the work have a sidewalk contractor out it seems to make sense uh the second piece is this section the 300 the West what I'll call the west side of the 300 block of Broadway essentially uh running from the end of the ice cream shop uh down to um the former funky H funky mines building I almost call that the funky house building U funky mines and um Rose Rosewood and hips rose hips and Willow Aon Smith I can't see her right now but she's probably laughing at me because I get a lot of this stuff um and then Third Street East in this section here uh you'll notice there's a grouping of wood chips um That Sidewalk wasn't put in kind of a cost constraint with those wood chips will get onto this get onto the street onto the sidewalk uh so an area to correct and then these two areas of sidewalk uh going south to the River from Harvey's and then from the Kenny Schultz building past Nissa Place uh there's various trip hazards along that stretch that the city used to have concrete planters that have since been removed um and then these sections also are the only remaining parts of the downtown that don't have the city's new sidewalk Grid or design uh the second piece gets into this uh bump out design um I should not note that the yellow areas would would be a Mill and overlay excuse me through the intersection I think with that uh eron I broke this ER I broke this up into four um scenarios one being what you see here and then the three additional scenarios that we discussed this afternoon so if if you wouldn't mind walking through uh with the city council um your design and then make yourself available for questions for each sure sounds good all right U thank you may Council um I'm assuming you can hear me right now it's fine yep okay thank you okay so um this is um what I'd call the base um you know typical symmetric symmetrical configuration for a Bumbo design um it's it's probably the most uh conservative with respect to um impacts through to parking stalls um specifically um just for a little bit more background so what the bump out does essentially is it allows the the stop sign to be placed closer to the center of the intersection so as um southbound cars are traveling towards the intersection um they're going to be able to see the stop sign easier or more easily than if the stop sign was placed behind the I'll call what the the existing sidewalk is which is way off the road up in there because of the angled parking that we have on the Broadway so if this was parallel parking it would be one thing but with the angle parking you know those cars can stick out considerably you know 15 to 20 ft depending on you know the type of vehicle so if you look um I have labeled on this uh figure what we call the line of sight and that's the Clear View we need to maintain for the driver um traveling at what what we call the design speed which which is 20 miles hour in this instance so they need um 115 ft to be able to identify that there's a stop sign and then decide they need to break and then apply the brakes and slow down before the intersection is essentially what stoping SL is so with that in mind um that that kind of sets the parameters for where we need to keep any obstructions clear so they they have enough time to see it and react R any initial questions on that before I move on yeah Erin if you could just discuss the orange area the motorcycle parking and how that is a response to the line of sight dirt so with the line of sight um being that a motorcycle sits you know about you know 3 to 4 feet off the ground um minimum stop sign mounting height is 7t so we wouldn't consider that to be an obstruction um to see the stop sign so we can't have a conventional vehicle in in the way you know for example if you had a a truck with a Topper on it or a van or something that would clearly obstruct the stop sign you know from your view but a smaller um height motorcycle would would not do that so we thought you know versus just giving it up 100% And just striping it off as a loss um we could at least accommodate some motorcycle paring in the area which know we get on occasion so if it if we could just run through the scenarios for the consle then Circle B for questions so they can picture okay so this is scenario two so um you know Brent and I we were looking at this stuff A Little Closer this afternoon and and we were thinking know option one you know pretty typical that was more just a concept you know to kind of get things out there to talk about but we we started to really ask ourselves the question you know how can we really look at minimizing the the loss of parking Styles downtown you know so option two what we did is we converted um the first kind of the first stall into um compact vehicle parking so any small small compact car would still be able to use that spot um and we would lose essentially you know one less stall on that side and I believe it was one more on the other side and can you for the console's benefit explain the difference between because on the West Side there's line of sight but on the east side there's obviously not a line of sight issue so can you give some context and background to why motorcycle and compact parking on that side sure so on the east side it's more of just the design of the of the bump out um curb geometry so you can you can really play with that um I wouldn't really touch you know going around the the corner for westone traffic initially but once we got through that uh pedestrian ramp you know you could you could try to tie in more quickly it wouldn't be symmetrical to the other side of the intersection but um you know to gain another stall you know it might be worth it so definitely have some flexibility on the back end and that's what prompted scenario 3 um as you see in scenario three there we tied down on the east side of the intersection more quickly um obviously it doesn't look symmetrical right um to the west side which is a little more conventional but for it to gain that extra stall it might be worth it so and functionally it really doesn't do a whole lot um doesn't really heat on function now this is what I'd call the extreme option this is option four and this one it doesn't really touch anything on the east side of the intersection it maintains the existing curve line um you know plus or minus we do some pedestrian ramp improvements in that quadrant but what you see what happens there is you go to an angled pedestrian Crossing and um the length of that Crossing is much longer than than a bump out so that's that is another point to a bump out that that should be noted is a bump out it does two things it improves sight lines in the intersection but it also um improves pedestrian movement in the intersection because it reduces the the length of the Crossing so pedestrians have um less distance to cross and when and then as a result you know it improves the time or less time to get across and then improves efficiency at the intersections well that's kind of how we progress through you know from what I call um you know basic bump out design to much more unique and min istic approach so any questions eron I have a question it looks like according to my math in scenarios two and three we're still going to lose two parking spots on the west side of Broadway and then just one in scenario three am I splinting and getting close enough in counting corre in scenario 2 and three I have noted on the west side of the intersection we'd be losing um two parking stalls permanently and and one of them additionally would be converted to compact car only so two permanent impacts on the west side in scenarios two and three and then on the east side um there' be one one permanent impact as shown okay and then on the West Side sou I'm sorry the west side with that sight line we can only do one compact we can't squeeze two compact spaces in there that's actually a really good point I think we probably could looking at optimizing that west side and scenario two there that next stall you know we could look at that distance we might be able to squeeze in one more compact car stall there instead of doing a motorcycle version okay so good real good point he Johnson I have a number of questions if you're if I'm able to go now yep go ahead Christie um other parts of the project I'm going to start with um when we're looking at Third Street West and that section that we're talking about filling in with the concrete um it was my understanding that all of our grassy grassy boulevards that 3 feet was our minimum because that is a general standard for for being able to grow sod grass in those um is there a reason that that is less than that three foot amount um I guess from from a dimensional standpoint I'm pretty sure that that is less than 3T I know we had noted 2 and a half on there but um Brent that might be closer to one and a half or two it sounds like um I'm sorry I'm pretty confident it isn't it is are we talking Third Street West this yeah yep I'm just curious as to why because I remember this plans going through and it was supposed to be from my recollection that it was supposed to be 3T at a minimum because that's the optimal to get the minimum optimal get to get theow so is there a reason that we didn't end up with that to start with I I don't I don't recall that standard but I I would just chop this up as an engineering oversight which is you know and since stantech isn't here to defend themselves is probably all the all the better to to blame it on I I I could honestly tell you how that ended up I know we've had some conversations about it it looks it's one of those things where you just wonder how that could have happened but it's there but um it's certainly something that we'll be keeping our eye out going forward because it under normal circumstances I think you're 100% PR you wouldn't leave a 12 in or 18 inch whatever is stretch of tur for a resident I are there trees planted in that now I think aren't any okay I thought there was one down there okay so we wouldn't be removing any trees there there could be one but not to my recollection we'll have to verify that if there is okay and then I was just wondering with with the snow rule for the sidewalks if that area gets used right now especially because we have to plow it for parking and then they have to clear the sidewalk if that small area isn't one of a necessary evil I'll call it um have we have we looked into anything about about that are you talking about snow storage yeah so I mean they go by and they plow and then youve got the sidewalk right there and then we have you know we have sidewalks that go right up to the the street and other places um it's I guess I was just curious there was any thought behind stor snow by the Home Warner or the city in that you know as we plow think that will make any difference I guess I defer a chat on the operations I would say from a a big picture perspective it in the downtown in our Central business district all of our sidewalks or to the street or to the curb so um but I defer to Chad on operations yeah that that section of Third Street while all that snow is uh basically pushed out to the end to the very left or bottom of the screen and then it's removed the next day so there is no sow storage necessity in that area okay all right thank you and and then the next one is uh by the hair salon there where the wood chips are um you know when you look down the rest of the street that's Grass Boulevard there it's a pretty wide space for some of the rest of them seems to be doing okay there's trees planted there this one wasn't s was not put down here can you help understand why the entire Street was done with side but not that spot I I I don't I don't the this was completed I think it with the 2017 project I don't have the detail I think it was it was decorative and it was stopped there there hadn't been sidewalk there in the past so um just from the top of my head I would speculate that it was just a a project cost of a way to to save some money because there wasn't sidewalk there there was sidewalk there Brent on that side of the ha salot excuse me where the where the wood chips are oh no I thought I sorry I misunderstood you I thought you meant on an entire side no I just mean that there wasn't sidewalk where the wood chips are and so as a cost saving measure I'm speculating that uh the project chose to not include s new sidewalk in that area was just to replace the existing okay well I will say I see that on a daily basis and although it's it's a nice thought to have the three wood chips there rain events and snow events they tend to get everywhere so I uh am all for concreting that finishing that C off so we don't have that problem longer um for the bump outs I can we go to the closer views starting with one okay um I have a few issues with this um one of them is the lock parking stalls um I live downtown I have firsthand knowledge of how busy you can be down here on a Saturday afternoon um and that is you know the the's open Caro General's open the bars and restaurants are open I mean there's often times cars I can't even park in front of my own house because the street is full and I live on Third Street East which is fine I'm happy to see people out and about um but I also um not want to look for losing additional parking stalls on our main drag also I think it puts the disadvantage to um you know lease's place for sure um she's losing parking completely in front of her building on this and then on the other side of the street we do have some businesses there also uh before I keep going on a side note we do have a driveway entrance that goes into RT's storical garage there that's on the Broadway side do we know have we talked with him I'm assuming that we have on closing that off and what his response might be and council member m i just because of the kind of dramat the dramatic impact that that would have I didn't show him this said he had no issues with losing that driveway access because of the access that he has on the main okay okay that's good to know uh that if if this were to go forward that at least a bump out there would wouldn't affect him as as uh in his property it in way that he takes his detrimental can you go to scenario two um let's see okay I guess you know one and two both have this so with the motorcycle parking I think it's kind of silly it's kind of irrelevant I realized trying to need something to to put a name to some space there to me it's just it's still wasted space this is Minnesota six months of the year you're not on motorcycles anyways so it's still just you know at least half the time a space that's wasted we go to scenario three and four um how many spots do we lose on the right hand side with this one what do you mean right hand side the leas is Place side you lose this this one so you lose one one okay okay and then if you can go to number four for me okay so when I in when I um started looking at this and thinking about this project um with the bump outs you know I'm was a proponent of having some kind of a stop four-way stop here especially during the um construction time I don't but not at a detriment to our you know downtown area either when it comes to our businesses and the number of parking stalls we have to me this one I know that not it's not matchy matchy we'll call it that um but sometimes it doesn't have to be you know mirrored in order to be functional um I think the bump out on the briad width side I guess the of it um makes sense because you have to be able to see that stop sign um however if you are coming on Main Street West and taking a left onto Broadway if people are into The Pedestrian Crossing you have a long time to see them they're they're already in your sight line it's really important um obviously with the bump out if they're coming from Broadway to turn right on Main Street West that they would be able to have a stop sign that's very visible as people went across the road there the sidewalk um for the Main Street East side that is what it looks like or the the corner there that's what it looks like now I don't believe that we have uh oops other side the Main Street East Side there we go um that's how it looks now and again if you were stopping at that stop sign to turn right you're going to already have a sight line because of the way the car's angle and the way you're driving of any pedestrians in that area um and I don't know that we have any crash data that supports that we have had issues with people taking right-and turns there um or even um left hand turns that have been that have been accidents or near misses or anything like that so for me this one um if we were to move forward with the bump out this is the least intrusive I think into our system of roads in the downtown and our system of parking um I also think that it um it gets what we are looking for when it comes to slowing down that traffic that's taking that right to head to head out on Main Street West and that to me that was the reason that I initially had talked about this push for was to try and slow that traffic down especially as numbers get higher during the construction Christie can I just interrupt you for a second to ask a clarifying question it Erin in this scenario on the east side of the street on the Le play side of the street it does um we do lose one parking spot on that side correct yes as shown it's one spot um just because of how the the crosswalk blocks angle across the intersection um you think it's probably going to be too tight to save it you know we can we can definitely look at it closer but I didn't want to promise that we save it at this point good so okay chrisy I just want to ask that question because I don't know if it sir in order to straighten out that um that pet Crossing that crosses Broadway are you able to shift uh stop sign closer like a straighter line rather than such a diagonal line um when I stay closer sorry it's hard to do this and yeah thank you with that direction um Shi it closer to the intersection can you see where Brent's arrow is yeah oh Shi it over there yeah so it's it's straighter which maybe would help to be able to save that other parking [Music] spot um we could maybe shift it I think there's a street light there potentially um can't remember at the top minut I thought there was a street light in there that we were trying to avoid but um you could maybe move it a little bit more to the self as you mentioned might be possible okay I I believe I know there's a street light on that corner um and I know it's 88 but we'll have a a larger area even if it be accessible I don't know if that means it has to have a straight route or if it can be a route that maybe if they had to curve around but as long as they have2 36 required um even if it's not a straight shot to the uh head Ram I'm asking a question I don't know if that does that come into play do you know you're you're saying if you so I'm just having a little bit of a hard time following and it's hard to do it on hard to explain when you're online too so let's say um if you're coming front of bre well on Main Street and you're head across towards the Lisa section y there's a street light there you had to end up staying in the in the concrete purple Zone T going around it going around the street light and then hitting it is there a way I mean does it have to be certain amount of like straight line that you have to have in there for a to get to the PED ramp for oh sure um so you need to maintain in in its most General sense you need to maintain 4 foot Ving access route so it doesn't really speak specifically to like you know going around objects as much but you just kind of have to use engineering judgment and you know lay it out whatever you feel is you know comfortable so um I wouldn't want to jog it too much but maybe you know a little deflection point isn't the end of the world so i' I'd have to look at it closer and see where that street light is exactly okay okay um and then Brent this question is for you I know that we had talked about having some temporary stop signs whether they were in the middle of the road like on the divider line or however it was during construction um is that not an option or that rat like instead of doing this whole thing as a project not whole thing this section part of the project so you could do it to my understanding and and Dan lanis or Aaron could jump in my understanding from the correspondence I've seen from the county is you could do temporary but then you'd have to temporarily uh shut down those parking stalls as well yeah and and to go along with that they don't want to they don't want to go back and forth once they change the intersection control they don't want to pull it later so their recommendation intersection controls all the time instruction so I'm not going to buy that one thanks Aaron well that's that's yeah that's fine um they they were just saying if if we're going to do the project anyways we it' probably just make the most sense just to do it you know do it once and have it done for the you know for JCP next summer yeah I think council member Mo related to aon's comment I think the County's comment was there are intersection uh or there are traffic controls that are changed within Construction zones their concern was this wouldn't be considered a construction zone and there would be stop signning and not and their concern that someone would think that someone on Main is going to stop and the stop sign is gone and so we're this is It's kind of the it's a really good question to ask because we're a little bit here at the mercy of haror County because it's their roaded anything that we want to do we're we're subject to kind of um I me frankly they don't even have to have a good reason if they don't want something on that road to function the way it we're proposing they don't need to allow it or if it was this was the intersection of Ash and fourth you know the council would have maximum flexibility so we're we're a little bit constrained but so I think that's a really good point to bring out thanks and Aon I'm not trying to Kill the Messenger either I totally understand yep um um so for me I if if it comes down to it sounds like all or nothing here so either we you know we put a temporary and then it keeps going even though it is a detour route that we you know the count is going to be more insistent on something um we will be taking this road over eventually so I would like it if we're going to do something at this point in time to be what we want because we're the ones who are going to maintain it and have you know live with it after we hit 5,000 um again to be as intrusive or least intrusive as possible to the downtown businesses I would I would at this point prefer to explore scenario 4 um and then and I guess the temporary ones maybe out and if we can't we can't do it then maybe we we don't do anything at this time but again with the park losing the parking stalls being intrusive to our businesses and the full traffic and what we're trying to you know we're trying to help them and we're trying to support them in the downtown not create additional barriers I guess four is going to be something that is the most appealing to me um when it comes to the rest of the project with filling in concrete areas and fixing up that kind of stuff when it comes to the wood chip spots and things I think that makes total sense so um those are my comments for that and the questions thank you all right thanks Christie Glenn do you want to go next we're looking well my first question was then start over again sorry you cut out at the beginning there hello you cut out at the beginning you sound okay now but start from the beginning okay until you cut out again unless you're thinking but you might have Frozen I'll slow it down my first comment when I saw this was how many I like scenario um two for the simple fact um I do like Aesthetics I was wondering if we could move the bump out on the west side of Broadway down into um kind of the Main Street maybe one or two of those blocks um of the of The Pedestrian walk you know what I mean Aon yes so it would so instead of um we might be able to save one of those stalls um on the on the on the west side there but we'd still have enough for for uh motorcyle parking but when we're doing bump outs and everything I do like the Aesthetics of have even having a smaller one on the on the east side there um I fear that if we went with scenario four where your um storm sewer where the word sewer is I think people will be parking there even if it is sure I just I don't like the way that that angle is on the P pedestrian Crossing I understand Christie's concerns about losing all those parking spots but the reality is we're only losing um the one on the east side of the street and if we bump that and if we on the on the West Side move that down a little bit into um um for of other words into the intersection there the the bump out on the west side we might be able to save a spot there so um reality is we're only losing two parking spots on the on the west side of the street as far as everything else on the project like the idea of filling in the grass and wood chips um just because it it needs I I think it'll clean up downtown a lot and it'll also give Safety and Security to that inter section so um if I had my brothers I like option two for the simple fact we are we are making a bump out we're preserving a couple extra parking spots and yet we're still making safety to the road that's all I got all right thank you Glenn uh let's see have next here Joy do you want to go next sure um I concur with Len and Christie about the comments about filling in the sidewalks on third do we have any feedback from any residence about those areas and that maybe they're difficult to maintain or anything like that that helps support this no not firsthand I mean the in kind of the vein of under promise over deliver I want to you know this first step and this is something that the and I discussed this afternoon we wanted to first like make sure the council was in general support of it before we started engaging residents so I I think we can I know we can get to that step but um we haven't heard anything you know up until this point that was kind of my question if there was anything we've heard in the interim since this has been put in place that would um trigger us to take a look at those areas I've been contacted by resident who lives in that area um one of them and they they did say that they um were having trouble with the that small area now at that point there was no I didn't say or you know this wasn't a topic to say what we could fill it in but I do they specifically one resident did come to say to me that ever since that was done the S just hasn't grown right and you know things like that so I okay okay thank you I I figured there must have been something um just because of the way it looks um okay so my other comments um I so you know the intention here as we've all said is we want to make this intersection safer especially with increased traffic from The Detour um I I want to make it safer for both cars and pedestrians um which is why I think that four-way stop is really important I would never cross that ped Xing um from the west side to the east side or vice versa um you know north of Main Street in today's world and I don't see anybody else doing it everybody else would jaywalk um in between the streets instead just because they can see they have better line of sight so um I I like the idea of making that ped Crossing really safe um I also have the same reservations about reducing parking spots um I do want to express a reservation about having compact parking spots I I feel like those will be completely ignored so if we can try to avoid that we're not going to have a way to place it um there's just no way and I know that um at least my experience in driving uh by this intersection often is that uh longer trucks tend to park towards the intersection just because it's easier to get in and out of compact parking is not going to work um so I'd like to avoid that if we can um minimizing losing parking spots I think is a good priority as well whatever we can creatively do um I'm going to lean more towards a scenario 4 with chrisy because I think it's okay I get the aesthetic uh concern Glenn is expressing but we also know that the traffic pattern is very much going um you know between coming West from Maine and going north on Broadway and then vice versa we know that is a heavier traffic pattern if you will and I'm okay if we design it towards that right where we have the bump out on the west side and focus on that um I also like the suggestions of moving that bump out closer to the intersection or South if we possibly can to minimize uh parking space loss just one note about that I I would like to make we I think we could look at moving the bump out to the South as as you mentioned um what that will require us to do is in order for trucks to make that turn we'll have to um if you see on the west leg of the intersection there's a little yellow striping like a four foot wide striped area right there yeah that's so trucks have the ability for their outside Tire to encroach on in the middle of the road we'll have to add additional width to that what I'll call stripe median in the middle of the road and allow them to encroach further to the South um so what that would require I believe there's onsite parallel parking on Main Street right now going eastbound approaching the intersection um I believe that's the case that might eliminate parallel parking potentially if if they have to go s self far enough to make the movement ER Joy's question about that bump ball rather than totally moving it I know Glenn had said something to about um near the orange area can you just make it smaller that it doesn't have to take up quite so much space and leave it where it is so it's that um that portion of the of the design is purely based on the sight distance issue so we just need to keep that area clear from sight sight line obstruction so there's really not much we can do about it over there but um you know if you move the whole bump out you move the stop sign with it so that's why it allows us to maybe keep another stall or too because you end up shipping the whole system itself that makes sense yep no that makes sense and your point about the truck traffic as well um is also well worth considering okay well you've had my input right thank you Joy Lori yes I do Qui to give um I'm getting first I'm getting the scenario mixed up a little bit can we go back to the slide and just go one two three again one is because I'm look I've been looking at um in the packet so council member S one is what you saw we and we've added the other scenarios they're in the the Dig digital packet right now um so one is kind of I would call the maximized motorcycle parking the bump bolts are reflective of the same geometry that you'll see is one I'm actually pulled the packet right offline um they were they were added I would say maybe an hour before the meeting so if you if you downloaded it before um six o'clock they're not they're probably not showing all right so can I I it doesn't make sense for me to try to figure out which one matches up to option one or option two this is I can run through them for you so scenario one is the regular Bumble existing geometry scenario two is again that same geometry showing um more compact parking I would say that council member MC's comment is is spot on related to it would be a bear to try to you'd have to have a definition for compact cars I would be kind of a make scenario three is uh a mini bump out on the east side um so it provides more parking you know in front of leasel place and then scenario four is you know essentially no bumpo on the east side so that's kind of the running through of those four scenarios okay can you can you go back can you look at three y trying to see what the difference between three and to many need but both so this the the geometry here is kind of this wide backward C here and then it's shrunk up you know on this side where two you know more symmetrical or yeah okay um so ultimately we're looking to give the engineers some direction correct yeah you know if you look at like uh they don't have to be I'm glad you asked that council members here it doesn't have to be um specifically scenario 4 they're if you think about these as ingredients to making a cake just tell us you know we like part of scenario 4 but also part of scenario 2 and we'll have enough to kind of go on we won't be able to design build this for you tonight but I already have a lot of like thoughts in my head based on the feedback that I've heard uh to beet with Dan and Chad and AR kind of bring you got it okay so um yeah so after the presentation my feedback would be I don't support scenario 4 um my thinking is my first priorities are safety and the Aesthetics and also knowing longterm that there's other future enhancement plans and it won't be anytime real soon but I I foresee future projects won't take away parking I know this is going to take away you know you know hopefully just count on one hand how many um if it wasn't for that I could fore future projects adding parking uh that I would feel really different um but I lean towards plan two to um I also agree that identifying something as compact parking when when we're not going to be able to enforce it um or just really don't want to figure out how to manage that um maybe let's just take that out of the scenario so yeah taking out compact parking um I lean towards a scenario too all right thank you Lori um so so my M may go ahead Glenn I just want to clarify with the council um where my stance was is option two which would be scenario three according to Brent's scenarios and options that were laid out in the packet the one we're looking at now correct correct correct that is that is my preferred uh uh layout of choice that's all I have thank okay thanks Len so I understand so you said the mini bump out I'm just going to use the mini bump out is all right um so my feedback um or ingredients for the cake if you will first of all um Brent Aon everybody else who worked on this um thank you so much for being so Nimble I know that there was just one scenario as recently as 1:00 this afternoon so I really appreciate you guys um being reactive to the feedback that I assume Brent was getting on our one-on ones that he always has um in advance of Council meetings with us and I think that this is terrific that you guys were responsive for that feedback and whip this together on such short notice so thank you for that um you know I think that um probably working on the easier parts of this project I think that the need for sidewalk improvements um in this stretch of downtown Carver are definitely in need in those areas where the um the brick is crumbling you know it's I'm not the most coordinated thing on two feet but I could lay it down any day the week in a pair of tennis shoes on that stretch so um we definitely need to do something about that um as far as the area on Third Street and kind of filling in that Gap where the grass can't grow and it doesn't make much s to have it there in the first place um as much as it pains me to have not done that right the first time and to be making uh repairs and kind of a significant change just four years later I think that's something that needs to be done um as well um let's see I also um appreciate taking a look at this on January 19th so that hopefully we can get this all done and buttoned up before this becomes one of the busiest thorough fares in the city of Carver when we see traffic rerouted off of Jonathan Carver for this um my preference out of these four scenarios is scenario three and I would like to see a second compact spot shoehorned in there if we can um if that's at all possible Joy I hear you and that's good feedback and good for thought as far as the um enforcement of those parking spots um however you know we have a couple of sheriff's deputies who I'm sure would be more than happy to help enforce that and to make sure that an i is kept on those areas so that's not as much of a concern as losing parking I have a very low threshold and very little appetite for losing parking in our downtown town area unrelated to this project um the owner of carber bait and tackle reached out to me in that um chewy he was ex he had issues with parking at his business um which is that yeah where brunt is circling the the white roof on the left hand side or the west side of Broadway um he had some issues this weekend with it being one of the first weekends that the bars are back in and that there was good traffic downtown however that was a hindrance to his um business so with that feedback again completely coincidental and unrelated to this perspective project I really want to do um whatever we can to avoid losing parking spots and certainly not eight spots in the original scenario so um my preference is for scenario three don't know if I said that yet or um or not um I Glen I appreciate you thinking outside the box and wanting to to move that Western bump out a little bit more to the South however if that means robbing Peter to pay Paul and then losing parking on Main Street I'm not for it I I'm not that's not a worthwhile exchange for me you know I can see the future where we have a splash pad for some other park in that area that's on the furthest south part of of Broadway um right before you get to the levy and I think it just makes more sense to have really short um efficient Crossings there and I don't like scenario for because it's it's longer and quite frankly All Things Considered you're losing the exact the exact same amount of parking as scenario 3 so you lose one spot in front of Lisas and then one spot on or I'm sorry as proposed two spots um on the west side of Broadway however I'd like to see that decreased to losing just one spot on each side if we can at all safely feasibly possibly shoehorn another spot into that west side in front of the gas station so um I think that that is my feedback back um does anybody else have anything additional that they thought of Mayor Johnson I have um something in responds to your your uh comments on the compact parking um I think if we're looking to have compact parking stalls I think we're going to have to come to the realization that it's going to be a suggestion um I myself drive an SUV and parked in a contact uh spot in the ramp last week so I am just is guilty of saying you know what it's open and parking um so if we are going to have compact spaces I think that you know having our police servant having that a focal point to somehow be policing that is not it's not something that I is important to me if we want to Market as compact parking now if someone's you know I'm assuming is the actual stall going to be smaller I mean if your truck is you know if you have a huge truck you're parking out and you're blocking the road you're going to realize it but I don't think that we can go on the races that we just call it compact parking that only compact cars are going to be there I'd hate to see you know 911 calls coming in just saying there's a truck parked in the compact spot so I don't know what we want to if we want to discuss that a little bit more that would be great yeah Christy I I don't care what you call it I don't want to lose parking um so I don't have any expectation that our deputies um sit there or you know Patrol that area every 15 minutes um but I think that a fair amount can probably be done with enforcement I don't I don't know I haven't thought that part of it through too much it truly it just isn't a concern of mine I just don't want to see us lose the parking spots downtown yeah well I think um by obviously my preference that I feel the same way about parking stalls uh but I do agree with joy that contact parking stalls if we sign them that way sign them that way but I think that enforcement of that is probably going to be something that we're just not going to be able to monitor yeah that's fair absolutely Fair feedback chrisy it's just it's truly not you know a huge concern of mine I think if we can just lose two spots which I don't think either chewy or Lisa will be super excited about but I think if we can go down from the potential of having lost eight down to just two I think that that's a a more palatable option and even you know if we're not able to um as I'm advocating for a shoehorn that second compact spot in um it would be three spots that we lose then which is the same as scenario four okay so I guess for myself what what I would personally like to see for the next meeting is kind of the revamp scenario 3 and scenario 4 because we talked about scenario 4 about possibly moving that pet um walk a little bit and see how that looks um I I don't know how the rest of the council feels but I I'd like to see you know some of our taken and maybe a little bit of reshaping we reworking seeing how this might look if if the bump out I'm just saying if the scenario 3 Let's just say it was shifted a little bit and we had a full spot whatever um whatever all the conglomerate of our questions or our comments came to but for me I'd like to see three and four come back with our comments taken into consideration did we have anybody else who liked four struggling I I liked I I mentioned I liked four um mostly because I didn't feel like I needed um symmetrical bump outs on either side but scenario 3 is also not symmetrical um it does give a straighter dustan Crossing Glen are you about to say something no okay um Brent would that be doable to get revised renderings of scenarios three and four for our first meeting in February uh M could you would you mind just sharing again the I'm not tracking the changes that you are asking for in a scenario for okay we had uh talked about the PED ramp um or the PED ramp the PED Crossing straightening that out a little bit now again we don't know exactly where that street light falls on the corner by Greg whs building there so once we know that we'll have a little better understanding of whether we can straighten that out or not um I think to me that might be helpful to no um I'm trying to think back to all the comments I had a lot of comments before um well a lot of mine were just around the fact of when you're coming from the stop signs on Main Street West going onto Broadway taking that left that you can you have a sight line there and then when you take a Main Street East right hand turn in front of Lisa you already have a sight line I mean that's what's currently there mentioned I didn't think there was any crash data or you know near Miss data that has happened in those particular spots um I'm not I can't remember from we we'd have to look back at back at the video now but um did we talk about moving this one a little bit because we had is this compact or in the Orange is this compact or was this orange is Orange is motorcycle okay I thought motorcycle something has to be done there if I would ra much rather have compact than motorcycle if we have to shift a little bit to make next spot rather than motorcycle parking I guess what if I could offer the the piece of information that would be helpful um so as I think we have we have enough information as a staff to come back I guess I'd prefer not to to bring back multiple scenarios I think It ultimately just from a meeting standpoint is can can be be confusing where I think we have identified from each council member what's important and what your goals are what you want to preserve that we can come back with something that the one um Divergent Point um that I need some resolution on as a or that we need resolution on from a staff is um I think council member here was advocating for scenario to and I uh I don't know if anyone agrees with that or not but I'd want to like to vet that CU it exclusive of that comment or other council members that support that what I'm hearing is we like bump show us a scenario that that absolutely minimizes parking impact and maximizes pedestrian safety and we're not going to be able to design that tonight and it's not fair for us to like ask the council to try to design that I but I think we have the input we need the only way that we wouldn't be successful with that and it'll it might take multiple meetings to to hold on in this but if if there is a want to do the symmetrical bump outs you know I guess that would be the variant if you wanted to show up something different to this or if as a majority of you said no we want to do the LA the former and um maximize parking maintain safety for um site distances Etc okay Brent um just a second if I can if I can clarify what my comments were about scenario 2 go ahead Lor yeah so I said I'm not in favor of scario 4 and I said I lean towards scenario 2 I'm not like super strong so if it's going be a blend of two and three um the back to the priorities being the um safety and then the uh Aesthetics which to me was scenario 2 one other thing that I like about scenario 2 is that pedestrian pedestrian Crossing isn't so long and at an angle but I will need to learn more from the engineers because just for me this one looks safer but I know Aaron had some comments about that other one that was angle so I'm open to a blend of them but this was the one that I leaned towards I just wanted to Y that's helpful because I think ultimately the difference between scenario three and four is just essentially that the the shape of the curve line and so understanding what the council likes in scenario 4 and three and frankly all of the scenarios uh we can meet together as a leadership team and say okay how excuse me excuse me I I would like to see three and four to me they're very different we've got two bumps up bump outs as opposed to having only one so because we don't have all of the answers from the engineers on where the lighting is whether we can move that head Crossing or not I would like to see the different options between those two as long as the rest of the council comes to a meeting of the minds that you know we're not all going for number one or something like that for me I I prefer to have some of those answers and to see what the two different ones can look like and then the council can debate it from there so Christy I um really liked where Brent was going and trying to work into I think we're both it Glenn what was your preference three yes scenario three option two with the mini bum okay because it preserves as many parking spots as possible it squares up The Pedestrian crossing the sight lines are good and it's not symmetrical bump BS but the bup outs up at the third and me or Broadway aren't perfectly symmetrical either but it does clear up the safety concern and it preserves as many parking spots as pass right if we were to come to the agreement on masses that scenario three is the correct option but you know I I have said it and joy has said it that she um had some you know some preferences with number four as well I think out of due diligence we are reviewing this at this point and I think we'll be able to make a decision at the next council meeting but I really feel for myself that I would like to have see the two different options and have the being that we don't know where some of those placements are on the corner of Main Street and Broadway whether we can straighten that out or not and be able to just see the difference and then make the best choice from there and to clarify Christy the different the main difference that you see between option for scenario three and scenario 4 is scenario 3 has two bump outs scenario four has one right the big difference okay got it yep thank you br is that doable whatever the council wants is what we'll do okay um thank you yeah so uh let's go ahead and wait proceed I I'm seeing it from Brent's perspective in that if they work on a revised scenario that tries to work in everything that we're working with instead of sticking into these silos of the two existing scenarios which I'm seeing just process of elimination um lurry I see you I hear you I know that you prefer two or three but I think between um the majority it's between for but I think if we could work on a scenario that demonstrates safety a straight Crossing bump outs and the absolute least amount of um loss of parking spaces that would be my priority here Johnson yep I the just to to clarify I wasn't I'm not making a strong advocation or recommending that we just do three it's just a um I feel like it's part of my responsibility or I I sometimes will advocate for processes to make them more efficient but sometimes efficienc efficiency isn't always the best route and so sometimes kind of this sausage making where you're kind of getting into different details and scenarios is is needed so um I don't take it as an a front or um you know you know anything other than just wanting to look at different scenarios so I I have I have no issue with council member m wanting to see2 or if the council wants to see3 Etc uh it was just a suggestion on formatting and process so um no harm no follow as relates to that got it okay thank you well then um go ahead Christie oh Courtney I was just gonna ask are you did you want to eliminate I know BR had asked for some elimination then did you want to have we kind of come to or do you want to ask the council if we want to eliminate certain ones yeah Council let me know if I'm way off base but I'm pretty sure we've eliminated scenario one which was the original one that was in our packet um council members shake your heads furiously if I am wrong with this and chrisy I feel like I've got a really good hand on I think that the main reason for eliminating scenario one it has too many parking spot elimination um and then you know I agree yes I agree sorry I somehow got muted um so I guess um Council any objections if we ask for christe's proposal asking for revisions to scenario scenarios three and four for our next meeting no Okay Lori no objections Joy no I think and I just to reiterate I think Brent has summarized the priorities he's heard from the council tonight which are create a safe intersection for pedestrians and vehicles with sight lines and optimized Crossings if we say it that way minimize the impact of parking spots that's the criteria right yep Glenn any objections to that Glenn's shaking his head and chrisy obviously I have no object objections to three and four I want to say thank you okay um my only other question before we move on um from this is speaking of shoehorn I feel like we are going to be a little bit crunched for a time to get this done before um the road construction and specifically the Jonathan Carver Parkway road construction starts are we how much of a a time crunch are we on here I think we're fine okay I mean um it's kind of a moving Target we'll bring we'll bring uh information back to your your next meeting but ultimately the council can decide you know when to do the project and if if we feel like there's a or if the council feels like there's a a window is missed uh then we'll you know just you know wait or discuss options that we have available to the county um or advocate for a different you know position maybe it happens after and we get then under that scenario they let us do the temporary stop signs um but I think right now we'll push to try to get this done prior to the main thrust of the uh the tour occuring okay great thank you um Brent do you have the amount of Direction and Clarity that you need from us yes thank you all right um unless anybody has anything else that they want to talk about for the downtime Improvement project I would like to move on uh to item 8.3 the 2021 legislative priorities Mr Mayor thank you mayor and counil if you just give me a second uh the city council uh andly adopts uh at least for probably the last 5 years uh legislative parties um the legislative session has uh started once they are adopted uh we send those out to representative Jim Nash and and new Senator Julia Coleman emailed those out and have typically followed up when the league of Minnesota cities has their cities day uh we use it as a talking points uh memo to share with them when we meet with them so most of these policies that you'll see within the packet are are ones that you've seen for quite some time uh the first being funding for the flood protection infrastructure related to the bonding bill which the council's fully aware of uh the second is is a little bit more detailed related to the flood Hazard mitigation uh assistance grant program this is the funding the city received that money through the bonding bill but it's actually money that was dedicated uh to this program and so we're advocating or more money in there also the protection of local control often times there are various statutes or excuse me various proposed laws that have reverse referendums on basic City driven processes and so uh you keep local control for that fees for services and support of op out transit systems are that you've seen before so the fees for services is related to my computer is frozen here Talk Amongst yourselves for a second it's January so there we go so cities are related or it's related to City's charge and fees based on uh Services permits and licenses so the kind of the building permit Fe the city uh did a business report through ABDO related to that but in the past there have been some concerns about City's making money off of building permit fees um and so that's related to that a support of the opt out transit system right now there are no more opt outs that are allowed under our system um and that is an issue that eron Smith is is working on related to um excuse related to the city's Transit service with Southwest Transit out of carver station so right now even if the city wanted to join the transit taxi district and I would say if Capital if uh we would have to work through Metro Transit and then Metro Transit would then have to contract through Southwest transit for that service in Carver we couldn't just become an opt out and join uh Southwest transit in what I'd call a typical fashion we're also advocating for funding resources for streets um kind of dipping in a little bit to kind of the the national uh National politics there there is likely to be uh some conversations about elections and so we're advocating for uh representatives to include election officials for any changes or modifications so folks like Vicki and Brenda good uh sometimes can be a lot of unintended consequences related to elections and the administration sometimes it may look great on paper but the implementation uh can be challenging and so we're advocating um for election officials to be included in those conversations uh infrastructure fees uh supporting uh legislation that would give cities the ability to impose infrastructure fees so that new development pays their fair share um and then uh one that you know we've had out there for a while and might not be likely to change but I do think it's a it's an interesting topic related to how people consume news we spend thousands of dollars related to publication requirements uh that end up in the legal section of the chasa herald and I think you know almost everybody in the community would support the concept of a local newspaper and the chasa herald I would say that same number of people have equally never read a legal notice in the legal section of the chasa herald and so um it certainly fit how people consumed information probably 30 40 years ago but it's certainly not now and it comes at a cost uh to local units of government so asking uh for a review of that and then something that the city is all too familiar with the special assessment uh requirements um right now this City must uh assess 20% of a project uh to do a 429 project following kind of the leak's um policy manual to drop that to 15% um as you know we do a special benefit analysis that it can be very challenging to reach that 20% and so kind of doing it the right way has created some unintended consequences and that 20% threshold is one of them and so asking uh uh the legis legisl legislators uh to consider a change so um there are literally hundreds of other you know policies um that could be advocated for or changes to law um but uh this is typically what we've adopted there are a few changes that I've noted but also willing to add any that uh the mayor or the council have have come across that they'd like to include before it off to um representative Nash and Senator Coleman so with that I'll stand for questions questions Council or anything that you would like to see in our legislative priorities nothing from Joy headshake from Glenn nothing from Lori Christie I will assume you don't have any unless I hear you speak up um I have got the oh was going to say I saw you go off mute um just I was trying to find button sorry just a a few things from me um KY if I'm remembering correctly we had a priority in their last year although I can't remember what it was that dealt with fire the fire service or Public Safety did we get what you wanted from the legislature last year or has the situation changed I believe there's three priorities currently that the fire service is currently working on one is Hometown Heroes assistance which um I can send you out it really is about um firefighters that can be cancered being able to support them during that time of need um other one would be um kind of keeping our fire safety account um that gives us Grant monies um towards things that we need to purchase that they don't dip into that account being the fact that they're probably going to end up having a deficit y the other one is kind of like the Hometown Heroes one it's uh cancer Lin line of duty death Survivor benefit which would give the families $30,000 of anyone that died with a cancer related death for them being so I can send you this documentation or I can send it to Brent if you can send it out you like yeah um Brent do we have any I realized that we probably can't present a 14 page document to our Senator and state representatives but is there any limit or sweet spot to the number of priorities we have because those certainly seem like ones that I can get behind I I that's all subjective I guess it would just be 100% opinion I would I can't remember for was zo or it might have been council member MC Knight where we talked about this earlier today or um you know in a perfect scenario we have this down to a page you know and it you know we're on two pages so all those all those issues that Chief tral brought up I have no doubt are worth advocating for it's um just a matter of saying how many pages of priorities you have and if you have you know three to four to five pages of priorities you have you have have any priorities and so um ultimately it's probably rest more on your shoulders and the councils of how many of these do you want to go through and do you want to say well those are great programmed but these are our top 10 or top five or top 20 um I mean the league of cities puts out um you know a manual that's probably over a 100 pages that includes the items I'm sure that Chief Trimble mentioned so they're advocating for them I would you know I would say this document is primarily um generated to get at probably Carver specific policies so it's a I would say it's all a matter of approach um but I would say that at at some point and it doesn't mean that's at this point but at some point you are become aware of how long your document is and the intention span of our legislators to act on those priorities um all good points I think there's and maybe I don't have line of sight to it but I think you know other than me bugging them about l related stuff I know I certainly don't have a ton of interaction with our elected officials at the state level so if they have to read three pages of our priorities I'm okay with that I don't know does anybody else on Council have any other thoughts opinions on this go ahead Lor I more just a clarification I kind of took it as they were listed also in priority because for me I know the flood one would be the first and and I do have to say I really like the idea of um making changes to publication requirements and that one's lower on the list I mean it there's not a huge financial impact but yet we want it on there am I right do we have these listed as well in the order of priority big uh I would say related to the I intentionally put the the items related to flood programs and the levy the top two the rest are um in no particular order okay you could certainly choose to rank them in order of priority I agree with how they are um if there's no further discussion I'll make a motion um Joy had her hand up I believe so my two cents is that I like 10 um and this is our priorities for this year um and I think that they very much represent kind of specific um feeds kind of what's happening within our city today the things that we top of Mind care about um I like keeping it to 10 because I agree the bandwidth of our legislators is not enormous um so hearing kind of the top 10 things from each city is probably about their bandwidth um so I I fully support what we have in here I agree it should be looked at every year right for what's happening within Carver today and what's top of mind for us there are probably 300 other priorities things that we support and we advocate for that are Beyond this list um beyond what Chief tro mentioned um as well that hopefully the league of cities is advocating on our behalf for right Glen any thoughts no okay um you're on mute Glen he's on mute still on mute plan make this look so effortless well I will just say that I think with joy thank you um I think um that was well stated joy for this for this current list and for the things of how we prioritize what we what we do outside of this list as well thank you all right Glen you look like you're off me now I hope so um this looks great um I understand Call's concerns but let's just go what we have right now and let the leag do some battling for us as well um or Brent CI maybe both can we make sure that Callie's the three items that he rattled off um are on there I would personally like to see them on there because I think it's hard to argue against any one of those three however I think I am in the minority um in this issue in favor of keeping things tight the only other um issue that I wanted to address and I think it kind of goes under the category of the perhaps the publication requirements oh can I finish my thought Clint um under the uh under the the topic of publication requirements um I would like to see an amendment made to the open meeting law so that we can continue um to meet virtually if need arises so right now you guys are all able to meet from your homes without having to be in a public space where somebody can get and talk to you and share their opinions in person because we're under a state of emergency at the state level I believe it is um he shaking his head so I think I got that right um otherwise we can always do meetings remotely however Joy if you are traveling and you are in China we have to publish where you're at um you have to be in a public place where you are accessible and folks can meet with you what I'm thinking of is you know if somebody has a surgery and is laid up and is not going out in public or um for a variety of other reasons I would just I think um kind of again with keeping with the publication requirements in thinking that it's 2021 we should be a little bit more Nimble a little bit um more Savvy for not only us but the public to participate um remotely I would like to see something in the priorities included about that mayor Jonathan I agree with you I 100% agree with you on that I think we have enough examples of this happening um in the last few months and then again like you said if a council member has to and you've done this before you've had to travel it's becomes this huge scenario of red tape to strings to Hoops to jump through it's ridiculous so I could be thank you for bringing that up there joh yeah thank you Christie go ahead Glenn I was just going to say that one way you could make a fit on one page is to also change the font so there you go Vicky that's my two cents but I do like the idea of the uh of the U Zoom meetings being continued Larry loves that yeah I also concur obviously um just because of my own personal schedule but you know and this was going to be one of my questions anyway once we get through um whatever emergency order we're under can some pieces of that emergency order stay with us uh permanently and how does that happen so maybe advocating it for um advocating for it within this set of priorities is a right way to help for that yeah and Larry correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that this is something has to change at the state level we can't decide to continue okay thanks so does anybody object to Brent word smithing my incredibly long and word sality explanation of what I want in there and work it into our our priorities no objection okay chrisy I heard you voice your support so um Brent if it's okay if we can have that added and then I think we're good with the list with that one addition yeah if you can just approve the list with the addition um of the uh remote meeting requirements I'll add that okay so I will make a motion to approve the 2021 legislative priorities for the city of caror with the addition of um rent to write in something about remote meeting requirements and making those um be something that we can continue to employ after the the state of emergency is has ended all second we have a motion for by Mayor Johnson and a second by council member s u Mr May can you do a roll call vote please council member Henry council member Henry hi Glenn Henry council member s hi Lorie s council member mcnight hi to mcnight council member Mack hi christe Mack May Johnson hi Courtney Johnson all right um motion passes 5 all right we are now on to council Communications um Joy do you want to go first um just trying to see if there's anything that I need to communicate um you know we did have a business council meeting um last week um more of a just a business update good participation it was good to meet um Dr Nick uh at Chiropractic specialist um other than that I don't think there's any new information that came out of that meeting um I looking looking forward to my first uh Southwest Transit meeting next week that's it all right um plan um the Planning Commission meeting was cancelled for this month um so I got nothing else all right laori I just wanted to take this um like Forum um as an opportunity to acknowledge and think Quick Trip um it was on the consent agenda but I know a lot of those things don't get highlighted is um Quick Trip um there was resolution 10421 that we acknowledge been accepted and appreciate the donation of $8,000 to the caror fire department so thank you to them well said Lori thanks for pointing that out chrisy do you have anything um I only have one thing and it has to do with the sa bottom and um the hatch should be delivered tomorrow tomorrow so within either tomorrow or the next day there'll be instructions on how to buy your T bottom fundraiser hats um and then um with deadlines and things like that so we're moving along with that um even though it looks a little bit different this year so we want to gly thank everyone who is uh going to come out and purchase our annual um saw bottom stocking capab thank you all right thanks Christie I talked to um Jill today and I know that this means great deal to her and and Mike and their family um let's see for me the Metro cities had a legislative session preview a few weeks ago I think Joy was in on that as well it was a webinar um really good high level um overview of things um Christie I wish you a very speedy recovery um and then I don't have anything else so I will yield the rest of my time to Deputy kper if he has his two truths and a lie ready oh there I found the BT okay you are you game I'm game all right have at it all right two truths and a lie hockey is my favorite sport I was born in North Dakota and the Vikings are my favorite football team oh oh a lot of people are well maybe it's just me that's hoping that number three is the LIE which one is it number two oh well shoot okay wait what was number two you were born in Roda so that's a lie where were you born on the border of Minnesota North Dakota okay so Wasington and Breen Ridge basically it's a river crossing yeah they know a thing or two about R River levies out there yeah all right well thanks for uh sticking it through the entire meeting with us Deputy we appreciate it um absolutely thanks for having yeah no problem um rent updates and covid-19 pandemic update yeah I just uh told representative Nash that we' share his contact information so here you can see representative Nash along with his phone number and email should any uh residents um businesses or other stakeholders in the City or surrounding areas want to reach out to representative Nash as it relates to uh covid-19 uh we're planning to open the doors of City Hall tomorrow uh specifically the service counter as it stands right now I I'd be inclined to hold tight a little bit on the the rentals until our next meeting just to see how things play out but again very open to feedback from the council should you have uh another perspective or direction that you wish to share Brent I can't imagine that we're getting a lot of requests for rentals right now have we had any maybe that's for Vicki or yeah I defer to Vicky young CHR see you are correct we have not had a lot we've had a few but obviously very minimal and as you know some groups are still alow to meet so they are still meeting in the church but like you mentioned um pretty minimal at this point can you remind me what the Mandate is right now for meeting inside cuz we just changed over over and um is it 25 or is it something else I don't remember I'm not 100% up to speed on what the current U language is if if the council decided to move forward we' you know get that up and and work to communicate that with renters but I don't have that in front of me I think I don't have a problem following State mandates with what they're at when it comes to reopening to the certain numbers that they have um I don't know how the rest of the council feels like that or feels about that but for me it's the state mandate I'm just throwing this out there let's say it says you can have up to 25 people whatever it might be um I don't have a problem reopening to whatever is that is mandated there I I would kind of prefer to wait another couple of weeks if there's no strong Demand right now but does anybody else have any strong preference feelings could we have um and then for the next meeting um I'm fine to wait another two weeks too um but can we have some of those um those answers in place so we know what what we're opening up to yes okay thanks and then just a couple other items um at your next work session which would be February 1st um we'll have uh Todd hubmer uh leading a discussion on his proposal from Bolton and mink on the certified Levy so that would spend the in essence $300,000 in the state funds along with the local match so we'll have a good idea on the scope of that project including the engineering communication um you know give the council ask plenty of questions redefine certain expectations should you have any in certain areas one of the things that we've really spent a lot of time about that I'm looking forward to because I think as a community we've had a lot of success with is meeting with property owners adjacent to the levy oneon-one kind of similar to uh the talking tours that we do prior to a city street project um obviously we've had opportunities for folks to come to town halls or send emails but at the end of the day nothing really beats having a couple folks uh come out to your place and look at the levy and hear your concerns and be able to ask questions on your time um rather than you know waiting in line or coming to a city hall in a random Tuesday so um one of the things that you'll see within that scope is a dedicated effort to meet with everybody along uh the the levy that would be impacted kind of firsthand if you will there'll be opportunities for the community but that's a really specific U area addressed in The Proposal also on the uh February 2nd excuse me first work session uh Dan lanis will be coming back with information on the Sixth Street West project the council talked about that related to the local Road Improvement program Grant um and so we'll have some additional information um to cover with the council um my preference also would be to that if we have the time to try to get the intersection um downtown intersection stuff on the work session agenda but we monitor that based on the the amount of information that we have we might pump that to the regular meeting and discuss as we did uh tonight and then uh lastly I had I have to council member Henry's comments related to font size make me think of trying to grind out a 10-page paper when I only have eight pages and adjusting that font size at St John so old habits die hard so I'll look at that font size clip he's never had the opposite problem awesome um that I would entertain a motion to adjourn I'll make motion to adjourn all right have a mo motion by council member Henry I'll make the second um so a motion by council member Henry and second by Mayor Johnson any further discussion Mr can you do a roll call vote please council member Henry I Henry council members council member s i Lorie s council member mcnight hi Joy mcnight council member Mack hi Christy mck Mayor Johnson I Courtney Johnson motion passes and our meeting is a journ thank you all have a good night