Recording in progress. Those [Laughter]are never good. >> I was just thinking that.>> All right. Good. >> Good evening and welcome to the ChescaCity Council meeting for Monday, August 18th. This is 7 o'clock. I'm callingthis meeting to order. Let's go ahead and stand up for the pledge ofallegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of theUnited States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nationunder God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, Elise, will you please callroll? >> Council member Hfield>> here. >> Council member Bennish here.>> Council member Chevlin >> here. Council GR>> here. >> Mayor Huard>> here. All right, that moves us along to the agenda. Does anybody have anyadditions or corrections to the agenda? Otherwise, I'd entertain a motion toadopt the agenda. >> Motion to adopt.>> We have a motion from council member Hatfield and a second from councilmember Grath. >> All those in favor say I.>> I. >> All right, agenda is adopted. Let's movealong to visitor presentations. Looks like we have a few here. So, we're goingto start it off with the GTO program recap with Aiden and Griffin. I don'tknow who's coming forward, but it looks like Chaza's finest isstepping up to the plate. >> I am.>> Hello, Officer Martine. >> They're going to come up and ourwonderful cadetses. >> Good evening, everybody. My name is umOfficer Martine Godz. I work for the Chaz Police Department. Um and we arehere for our GTO graduation. Um I did write a little a little something. Um sowithin the last eight weeks, our cadets Aiden and Griffin have learned so muchabout our city and what each employee does to make it safe, fun, livable, andwhy the city of Chaza is the best small town in Minnesota. That one's for you,Matt. >> Oh, thanks.>> Yeah. Uh they started their journey by meeting me for the first time atStrikers um to get fitted for their uniforms. And I will never forget whenAiden came out of the dressing room and saw himself saw himself in the mirror. Isaid, "Oh boy." Uh as he began twerking in uniform,I myself, "Okay, this is going to be interesting but fun, right?" A fewmonths later, a few months later, both Aiden Griffin were sworn in by MayorHuard and Chief Cybert. The following eight weeks they visited with city adminfinance team Chazapi Chesca talent course where they met handsome John. Idid not name him. They did. I'm>> sure he loved that. >> Uh CHAS uh Chaza FD communications,water and sewer, Chaza Community Center, Parks and Wreck, Electric Department,and Public Works. Many divisions last week.Although Griffin seemed more reserved um when I first met him, Kevin Wrightlearned that Griffin 2 likes to jam out specifically to country music by fistpumping at its at its full volume. >> Right.>> Or as Kevin said, I don't think my volume has ever been that loud in mycar. >> You want to play the>> We'll play a video recap of what we've done. I'm so doesn't take [Music] [Music]out the ad slot. This must been your administration day.>> Oh, fire department. >> Oh,>> another fan favorite. >> There you go. >> Oh.>> Oh, you guys got to fly the drones. >> That says police rules on the firechief's office. Nate looks very enthusiastic there. >> I have done that. That's hard work.>> Oh, the community. >> But I have not driven a Zamboni.Congrats, guys. >> No. Nice. >> Hey, we have alumni.>> Oh, hard hat stickers. Look at you. Towns handsome John.>> Yeah. Lions. >> Oh yeah. We had our interviews. Cool. Oh, the bucket.>> Oh, wow. >> Were you guys scared? That was prettyhigh up the power back on the house. >> I think climbed the highest.>> Oh, did you? Good job. >> Jump. Oh, nice.>> Oh, wa. Look at you. Greens keepers. >> That's awesome. Oh.>> Oh, that's so cute. >> It's great. >> That's it. Perfect.A >> um so fortunately Chief Cyro couldn't behere tonight. Um but this is the part where Chief would ask each one of you aquestion. He would ask which department was the best one you visited.>> Fire. >> Fire.>> Yes. >> Nice.>> Police. >> Police.>> You like that answer? [Laughter]Um, I just want to say to say uh to the bothof you that we all enjoyed having you be a part of our city for the last eightweeks. Um, we hope you enjoyed it too. And um, I would like to give each one ofyou our newest challenge coin. Okay. It's important to remember thatreceiving a police challenge coin is a gesture of honor and respect, signifyingrecognition for one's actions and highlighting the importance of the lawenforcement community. Thank you to all our wonderful departments within thecity of Chaza that have always welcomed our cadetses and showed them so manythings. Thank you to Alex from Empower and Inclusionum for helping uh for helping put this program togetherand obviously to Aiden and Griffin's family in the city of Chaza.Thank you everybody. All right. Good job, guys. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,gentlemen. >> You want to say?>> Yeah. You got >> Now's the time.>> Don't get rid. >> Yeah. Did you go pretty high on thesecond day? Right. >> Electric work.>> Electric. >> Electrical work.>> Driving around having ice cream. >> Too many breaks.>> Final job around. >> All right.>> Thank you. >> Thank you. UmI love I love please I love city um I love see pleaseand then please>> All right. >> Okay. Yeah.>> Very cool. and and um and umthat and then and I love um I love I love that and then that and Ilove I love that and because and I um I love city and I like um a city andcountry and whole lot country love and that allcan do that >> that thanks>> thank you >> do we get to find out why it's handsomeJohn >> would you like to explain>> who >> why John Schmidt is handsome John>> oh yeah >> because because I love him aHow much did he pay you for that cover? >> Happy to get that. >> Kevin, you are the best dude ever.>> Great. >> I love you and I miss you.>> A love you guys, too. >> Oh, so good.>> Well, it's been so fun to watch you guys through social media and to see yourslideshow and to see all the fun and and um interactive things that you were ableto do. you guys were both able to grow and be able to see um skills and developand kind of it sounds like hone in on what you like um being fire and policeand so it's just been a wonderful journey walking with you guys. Thank youso much for being a part of this. >> Thank you.>> Thank you. >> Yeah, let's do a picture.>> Maybe Aiden can do a selfie with all of us in the background. Cara, I love you. >> Scooches like come stand right here. >> Got it.>> Awesome. heading. >> Okay, he wants>> Oh, you guys come on back. >> Come on back. He was trying to get onemore. >> You know what's fun is getting a selfiefrom a sign in the middle right here. >> Get in here. There we go.All right. One, two, three.>> There you go. >> Thank you.>> Thank you for everything you guys do. >> It was such a pleasure. >> Thank you.>> Thanks, sir. >> Love you.>> Love you, too. This your hat? >> Thank you.>> I moved you >> Sophia. I know you're not comingtonight. So I love you and Sophia and Ch, but those are my friends.>> All right. >> I missed them so much that Best Buddiesleadership conference is Hannah andYeah. and my friends are going to miss me a lot. And then I'm going your bestbuddies picnic to thank you for coming. Kevin, Kyle, Luke,Jo, and Kevin and Ian Shepard. Thank you all so much for coming. And I love you,too. >> All right. Thanks, Aiden. >> Thank you guys for coming out.All right. Well, guess what, Marshall? You got big shoes to fill. You're upnext on this agenda. Southwest Park Master Plan update. Take it away.>> I follow that. All right, let me go ahead and get myscreen ready here. >> What' you say?>> Look at the mirror. >> Oh, yeah. That is kind of like there youare and then there you are. >> All right. Now, that's all done.It'd be fun if he was sitting right here and then it' be like that 3D mirroreffect. >> Okay. All right. We ready?>> Absolutely. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'mexcited to be here um before you again to uh talk about theSouthwest Chesa Park Plan and give you kind of an update on where things areat. So tonight, what I thought we would dois um just go back and review a little bit of the process and what uh got us upto um the the point here tonight from the last time we met. Uh we'll talkthrough the phase two um community engagement results and then finish withnext steps and questions. So, as you remember back on May 8th, weconducted a Parka Palooa event um over at the Chaza Community Center. Thatevent was um really in response to our phase one community engagement andtaking the um kind of the top themes we heard from that um to start developinguh three different concept plans. Um and from there, we reviewed those plans. Ifyou recall, we had a joint work session where we received some feedbackum from both the council and the park and recck commission. And then fromthere, we went back and we developed um these three concept plans that um wewere going to position then for our phase two um community engagement um toget feedback on them. Um, one thing I would like to point outhere and just kind of anchor us a little bit when we developed these conceptplans, we really were at that point still trying to be aspirational in theplanning process. So, these plans really were meant to showcase the variety ofthings that could be incorporated um throughout the park, how things couldfit on the park um and then generally play off of the top three themes that uhthe community um had expressed sort of their desirefor the park to be in the future um which were sport, nature, and play. Wekind of knew all along going into this that, you know, in the very end we'regoing to end up with a mix of those themes. This was just a way to sort ofpresent it and I would say maybe honor the original feedback we got and sort ofshow the community that we heard them. Um, also when we went into this um nextround of engagement, we weren't really asking people to pick one of the themes.It was really trying to get feedback on all three of the themes.So once we landed on those three concepts, we then worked quite a bitwith um our consultants at Confluence to update our project website and get itprepared for um community engagement. And so we had each of the three conceptsup on the site um where people could go in and um there's some fun little togglebuttons that people could click on and it would open a little bit more of a uma picture and an explanation of what's being shown in the concepts. Um and thenbelow each of the concepts, we had a few open-ended questionsu where we we were seeking feedback um from people on and then we had sort ofan overall concept survey um for people to take as well. So once the project website was up andready, we then um spent uh July 10th through August 6th really promotingthose concepts and the project um website to try to drive people to thesite and give us their feedback. So we were out at our two largest communityevents this summer at Fire and Ice um and River City Days um where um it wasgreat just intercepting people. Um, I was there at Fire and Ice and I think wehad people at that table pretty much consistently the whole afternoon.Um, we followed up with all of the focus group um, individuals that we met with,sent them an email uh, gave them an update and uh, steered them towards theproject website. We utilized social media um, to make people aware of it.Um, we sent it several times through our email list serves um that we have in ourdepartment, updated our website, got an article on the um Carver County onlinenews. Um, so just a whole host of uh of ways that we got the word out umencouraging people to to check out the concepts and tell us what they think. So, with that, here's sort of a reviewof the um survey results. Um we had um about 3,500 unique visitors that went tothe site. Um some of them went there a couple of times, so there was over 4,500visits total. Um and then we had a little over,00 surveys that werecompleted. um which represented about 600 unique um sort of IP addresses. Umso the visits to the website um was pretty similar to what we saw in the umphase one community engagement. Um I would and then the number of surveyssubmitted was a little bit less than phase one but I think that's to beexpected. um a lot of information um was within these concepts and it required alittle bit more of a time commitment um to provide that information. Butoverall, I still think it's a really good um response um to the survey and umsome information there for us to glean. All right. So what I'll do now is sortof step through sum a summary of of the the variety ofquestions that we asked. Um so these this first set of slides will be basedon the open-ended questions that we asked for each concept and confluenceused an AI tool to kind of go through um all of the comments to bring in kind ofa summary highlight for each of the questions. So starting off with thesports themed concept, the question was what stands out in this concept aspositive and exciting for the community. And you can see there that sports fieldsum with strong interest in soccer, baseball and softball fields stood out,trails in nature um so the walking and nature paths and open green spaces stoodout. solar panels. Um we had had that on that concept as a idea for um coveredparking with solar on top. So I think some people um commented on that. Thatwas an interesting idea. Inclusive playgrounds. Um again a strong emphasison the accessibility and communityfriendly um design.The disc golf and ninja course within it. Um there's comments about that beingunique and stood out. And then community engagement. So the value placed onspaces that bring people together um is what people liked on that concept.Uh the next question was what do you think is missing andor should be changedin this concept. So there's quite a few comments aboutthere needing to be more soccer fields especially all-weather turf fields. Umsplash pads and water features the desire for more interactive waterelements. Um so again when we put together the concepts we intentionally>> put some things in some some concepts and some things not in others or if yourecall the park shelter building had different size and scope. So, we werekind of looking to see whether or not that triggered um some differentcomments. And so, I think in this sports um concept, there wasn't much for awater feature. Uh parking and accessibility.Um some comments about concerns about uh whether or not there's enough parkingand access disc golf debate. So, there was somemixed opinions on the disc golf. Some wanted it and others didn't. um winteractivities, requests for more for ice rinks and yearround usability and then restrooms and amenities. Um soI think on this concept the park shelter was a little more basic in nature. Sothey were commenting a need for better facilities like bathrooms. And then the last question, what elsewould you like to share about this concept? So a theme around community needs. Soreinforcement of the need for sports infrastructure, especially soccer andbaseball. Inclusive and accessible design. A continued emphasis on makingthe park usable for allparking and space planning. Comments on the layout and capacitysustainability and sonar solar panels. So here we saw some comments where somepeople um supported it but then others kind of came through with a little bitof skepticism about it. Disc golf and recreational variety.So a desire for diverse activities but with thoughtful placement and then cityidentity and pride came out. So feedback tied to Chaza's growth and communityimage. So, I recall some comments about just the excitement about this park andwhat it can mean for the community and attract people to want to live here. Uh, moving on to the second concept, thenature themed concept. Uh, the question uh what stands out in this as positiveand exciting for the community? Um, nature nature and trails. uh the natureplay area, the treetop canopy walk, uh walking trails, forest, naturalsurfaces, winter activities. Uh this one had theice skating loop and year-round amenities,community and inclusivity, uh the inclusive playground, community garden,food forest. Is a food forest like a community gardentoo or is it something different? >> Uh it's a little bit different. Um it'dbe more like think like apple trees or things like that where people can comeand pick things and >> Yeah.Um here we saw um amenities. The a restaurant or cafe along with the watermisters in the dog park stood out as positive. And then uhoverall sentiment a unique concept peaceful accessible and great forfamilies. In response to what do you think ismissing andor should be changed? Um there was some comments about dog parkconcerns. Um just overuse mess and safety issues.Um I recall some comments too just when you got the dog park and inviting moredogs when you got community garden and things like that. Um they might beattracted to those things. Uh garden and food forest skepticism. So somemaintenance concerns, redundancy and underutilization.uh requests for more um splash pads, soccer fields, more trails, shadedareas, and uh and parking.Some skepticism and suggestions. Uh preferred ground level trails over thetreetop walk, replace the dog park with other features, add water play, andreduce sports elements. And then accessibility and safety. umtrail connectivity, lighting and winter usability um was commented on.And then what else would you like to um share about this particular concept? Umthere was some overall sentiment and feedback uh that this was their favoriteconcept. Excitement and appreciation for nature focus,nature and community. uh preserve the big woods, add educational elements,community engagement, concerns and suggestions. Uh again, thedog park theme, food forest maintenance, splash pad requests, trail connectivity,amenities and usability. Um preferring the yearround bathrooms,shaded seating, a restaurant and cafe, and inclusive design.And then the multi-generational um feedback came out. Interest inmultigenerational appeal and accessibility for all ages with thatnature concept. And then the last themed concept wasplay. So just going through these um what stands out as positive andexciting. Uh the water features in this one. Here's the concept where we hadmore of the robust splash pad shown. Um, so that was very popular with over 67mentions. Recreation and play, a strong interestin the pump track, amphitheater, adult swings in the playground,nature and trails um were frequently um appreciated.And then community amenities, uh the park building and open lawn area werenoted as attractive gathering spaces. uh what would what is missing or shouldchange in this concept? Um concerns about the skate park often with somenegative sentiment or requests to remove it. Um pool requests. Some somerespondents asked for a community pool instead of or in addition to the splashpad. Safety and accessibility. Uh comments included concerns aboutlighting and uh bathroom facilities and then balance of the of the features.Some felt the concept was too focused on niche activities and lacked broaderappeal and what else would you like to shareabout this concept? Again, on the skate park, some debate over the value andsafety of the skate park, community identity. Several uh commentsemphasize the need for a concept that reflects Chaza's identity and serves allage groups. I was a little baffled at that. I feltlike the concepts did a pretty good job at that. But um favorite concept uh manyrespondents expressed that this one was their preferred concept especially dueto the splash pad and the amphitheater. And then inclusivity in nature umrequests for more inclusive design natural elements and multi-generationgenerational appeal. So then moving on, um, as part of theoverall survey, we had a, um, a whole list ofsort of the possibility of amenities and we wanted to get people's thoughts andhad them rank them on a scale from one, you know, not necessary, a three wouldbe nice, and a five, um, we should definitely have in the in the finalplan. Um, and I'd point out that there's things that we sort of are assuming thatare going to go in the park, such as um, the Miracle League field, theuniversal designed playground, a park shelter building, trails, things of likethat. So, those were not included in this list. It was sort of like giving ussome direction outside of those things what we would want to. But it'sinteresting because you just mentioned on three slides people wanted waterplay, but that's not even on this list. >> It's on the next one. There was so manyit took two slides. Yeah. >> Um settle down.>> So you can see here kind of where they where they all landed. Um and I got thea slide in the end here that sort of situational as a top 10.So here you can see the top 10 that came through. So, nature play area scored thehighest, followed by splash pad, uh, open grass and lawn area,uh, rectangular soccer fields, and then what we thought was interesting at camein fifth would be food for purchase optionsas something for us to think about. uh you know whether that's uh setting it upfor food trucks um to hook up or an actual cafe restaurant within thebuilding uh or concessions. So we we got to kind of think about that some more>> from a perspective of what we have right now. Concessions are at firemen's andthen obviously Charlie's or whatever. Not it's not Charlie's anymore. Oak 19at town course. Does one do better than the other>> there? There's sort of two different I mean one is set up more as a restaurantand one is set up more as just pure concessions.>> They both do very well. Yeah. >> Umthe Oak 19 is going to do more from a revenue perspective just because thefood's more expensive, >> but I'd say as far as uh you know volumeof stuff, I think both do very well. So there's not a preference because I knowat the sand ventures thing in Shaki the Tommy's is there but then they stillhave the concessions outside the Tommy's for those that don't want to go in anddry off and sit down. >> Okay.>> Yeah. You just can't it's capturing the audience, right? If you you're a familyand you got to leave for food, chances you're getting that family back there isdown, right? Like if I can >> Oh, yeah. No way they're not comingback. >> Yeah. So that makes sense, right? Likethat's like you got a captive audience and you keep them there longer becausethey don't have to leave. >> Yeah, that food truck idea is coolbecause it brings a variety of >> options.>> Yeah. >> Cool. >> So, yeah, I think it's an interestinglook at just how things ranked. Um, you know, the way I sort of evaluated isthere's not a not a huge spread, you know, between>> right >> the top and bottom. kind of a onepointdifference. >> Yeah.>> Um and I think it sort of came through in the open-ended questions, thefeedback I shared with you. It I think in general people are they kind of likeall three concepts in one way or another.>> I I mean I heard that reflected a lot with uh when I was at the booth in RiverCity days that folks were really excited about just lots of different componentson each of them. >> I also think too just shows our diversecommunity. We have a lot of people that interact with this survey probably fromdifferent age levels and interest levels. So, I think that really is veryreflective here. >> Yeah. Yep.>> I also think it's exciting because for a city our size, there's a lot of parksalready. I mean, there are a lot of parks in this city, but the idea thatpeople are so excited about another one means there's obviously a expressedinterest in using it already. So, that's kind of>> from a progressive standpoint really fun to see. Yeah.>> And fireman is always used. So if you can if you think about just and it's notthat big that park, this could be huge. >> Yep. Yep.>> Yeah. It jumps out to me. I I like that nature play area because I think it'sjust such a unique space, especially on the south side of that, right? Um youknow, I think the canopy idea is interesting. I was in Gatlinburg and didthe Anakista Canopies um two weeks ago and that's a coolexperience. Clearly different setting, big woodsversus mountains, but >> same concept. Um I would, you know, be Iwouldn't have the respect of my fellow council members up here if I didn'tpoint out that >> that baseball and softball combined withrectangular fields for five is is both high up there. Um, and I actually, youknow, in all seriousness, had a good conversation with the chair of theJesica Baseball Association this weekend because it was triyouts. Um, and hecalled me out in front of all the parents as a council member, which Iappreciated. It just made me feel cool. Um,but um, and just kind of just that idea. I mean, a good another just example ofkind of like what happened in the city, right? It was beautiful Saturdayafternoon, >> but the rain washed all the fields out.So, tryyouts happened at the high school inside, right? Versus if you had turf,it probably would have dried out and you could have it could have done stuff likethat. And that that m that stuff just comes into play again. Was it the end ofthe world that we tried out in the gym? It wasn't. Um, but there's a lot ofexcitement and I like I said, so I was I was happy to see those two both highbecause again I think I really like that concept of that big space that's modulethat you can kind of do all of those things in that. That's that jumps out tome because it's just an inclusive space. You can use it for soccer, lacrosse,football, and baseball and softball. >> Yeah.>> Versus a grass baseball field with dirt infield is a grass baseball field with adirt infield. Does not get used for other stuff. All right, there's my trickpitch. Got it. Thanks. >> All right, I'll keep going here. Um, so the next question we had on thesurvey was, is there anything not on the above list that you feel should bedefinitely included? Um, so water amenities, splash pad, waiting pool,misters, and swimming areas came up. um some recreational items with adultswings, walking trails, playgrounds, skating rink. So again, things we kindof assumed but they weren't in that list. Um that that came out naturefocused elements, uh nature preserve concept, solar panel parking, andoutdoor amphitheater. And then community oriented spaces,uh food trucks, rentable park structures, and picnic areas. for foodtruck spaces. Is that I mean obviously you'd have to have a space a curb. Is itjust power then really and water? >> Yeah.>> I because I I mean that's a very interesting concept to just kind ofcreate that because >> um I mean you think about any events youcould that could happen in those spaces where you food trucks would come in andand it and it's not we're not looking for that business, right? where foodtrucks typically are looking for places to go, right?>> Yeah. >> So,>> do you actually need water for those? Because I only ask because at St.Huberts, they bring food trucks all the time and it's just in the parking lot.There's not water out there that I know of. There's electricity, but>> I think there's a preference for them to have all the utilities available.>> You get more >> easier to get Yeah. them to come ifthere's >> the other thing that we're seeing inlots of cities uh uh in the Twin Cities here is uh you know restaurants thatwill actually set themselves up in city parks and so um you know there's allkinds of examples in Minneapolis parks but Minneapolis is a highly dense areaso it's a little bit easier um but you know like Lakeville uh with uh is itMariam part. The Lake Marian part. >> Lake Marian. Yep.>> Yeah. So, they have antlers uh which actually they took shipping containersand made them into actual uh just a small restaurant space that thenbasically had outdoor seating that was there. So, it's not unheard of to see uhthose in suburban communities, too. >> Yeah. The other thing you see common umis like the food hall concept. Right. Right. So you have a shared seatingspace and then you have >> restaurants>> very common on the west coast >> can can all share that space whichprovides shade. Right. That's that would be the the a positive of that where itbe an indoor structure versus I get my food from the food truck and I still gotto go seek shade, right? That type of thing.I also do always worry that food trucks won't always be a thing. Like 20 yearsfrom now, food trucks aren't a thing anymore.>> Drones are very, >> but you can address that other. Butthat's my one thought about food trucks cuz 10 years ago, they weren't asprevalent as they are now. So, is that a market that's going to eb and flow>> and where it makes more sense to just put something more permanent? Definitely something to think about.>> I'd like to see water is up at the top because truly I love water. So, I'mbiased, but all the young families are looking for water. Their kids get hot,their kids are bored, and it's just, you know, you can play out in the backyardfor only so long, then you got to go find water. So, and clay hole is a bitdirty for most of us. So, >> yeah, it was definitely a top theme forsure. Um, we had asked a question in generalto what degree would you prefer the park to have more natural native areascompared to manicured programmable areas? And you can see it leaned alittle bit more towards the native natural umareas. So, kind of an interesting thing toglean there. >> Is it one to five, right?>> Yeah, one to five. But it was kind of more like which endwould you uh >> slide it towards more of more natural ormore manicured? >> Huh.>> So, >> but is not the plan for>> two and a half would have been kind of in the middle.>> I mean, we're only developing a small >> of 55 acres. We only must be developing>> No, the >> 10%.>> No, the the the area that would actually be graded is about 55 acres. Um, theonly area that wouldn't be graded would be the area that's in the woods.>> Uh, I mean, there's some areas along the woods edge probably that would be left alittle bit less uh developed and stuff, but if you lookat most of those plans, most of that area ends up getting graded.>> Oh, interesting. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. And this is really gettingat to what extent do you want, you know, more of thatlawn that you're going to be mowing, you know, that's uh set up forprogramming or or turf or playground infrastructure compared to more of thatnatural native area. So overall the community isleaning a little more towards keep it natural is what what this is saying. Um we had asked if we were toincorporate a theme into the playground and park uh what would be your idea andyou can see there um sort of nature environment again were some of thethemes that stood out local identity inclusivity and creativityand then there were some that just felt like neutral or no theme is needed>> book pirate. What considerations or features wouldmake the park more accessible to you? Uh so restrooms and parking, clean,well-lit year-round restrooms and sufficient parking, inclusive design, uhuniversal playgrounds, stroller friendly paths, shaded areas, and uh sensory playzones, mobility support, so accessible trails,ramps, and seating for older adults and people with disabilities,and familyfriendly layouts, proximity of play areas for different age groups,safe crossings and dog friendly zones. So, kind of cool to see that feedbackbecause that, you know, that really is kind of the the overall goal um goinginto the plan of this park. And then we asked, is there anythingelse you would like to share that would be helpful to know as we take the nextstep to develop a preferred concept plan? Um so need for sports facilitiesagain especially soccer with all weather turf natural preservation desire toprotect and integrate natural elements like the big woodscommunity amenities interest in food options shaded seating and multi-usespaces. And then um some concerns were expressedabout the skepticism of skate parks, solar panel costs, and the need for moreinclusive planning. >> What does that mean?>> Did they like expand on more inclusive planning?>> I'm not sure where where that was coming from.>> Okay. Someone just was they weren't included.>> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah.>> Yeah. That's interesting >> cuz isn't this the part of beinginclusive that they >> about as inclusive as you could get,>> right? >> Are they meaning like disability though?Like inclusive? >> Maybe that could be.>> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I mean at this concept level,you're not seeing the detail yet. So maybe>> not seeing where there'll be ramps and you know all of those inclusive pieces.>> Yeah. So I read that as more of >> ADASo, just kind of um show you where we're at in the overallproject process. Um we're kind of sitting between that evaluateand refine. Um so really the next steps are going to beto it's kind of the next step's the hard step. We got to figure out how to takethis feedback, you know, and all the cool stuff that'sshown in those three different concepts and narrow it down to one preferredconcept plan. >> So, is that where you get together withConfluence and do or is that you bring in Okay.>> Yep. >> I got kind of a an overview of what Ithink our next steps are. >> Okay.>> Coming up. Um but before that too also just point out that I shared this we wehad this uh discussion with the park and recck commission um last uh week attheir uh monthly meeting and had a good discussionum you know around the themes that came through in the feedback and so you knowthere's some direction there and notes that we took that we'll be you knowfactoring in into these next steps as well.>> That's good. Um, >> can I I know this is going backwardsstep, but the skepticism around skate parks. I saw it a couple times and>> yeah, >> I have no idea really what goes on in askate park, but what's the concern? >> Yeah, I jokingly I jokingly said like,man, all the years skate parkere can't kick the stereotype.>> Feel bad for >> shenanigans and skate park skatercommunity. I was a skateboarder >> when I grew up. Is it like somethingwhere the city would, you know, like if you put an ingground pool in because ofthe depth of the water, all of a sudden liability goes way up and I understandthat. So beds are better. >> It's more of a perception that peoplehave that like we have >> they're loitering and all that sort ofstuff. >> Yeah, we have a skate park over in>> Oh, so it's more stereotype. It's just Yeah, it's just a general idea. justamazes me like that thing like to your point like>> cities and skate parks has been like this>> a thing forever >> thing forever. It's like that communityhasn't been able to kick the stereotype which is just like seems so unfair BartSimpson. The the funny thing is I'm pretty sure the research will showthere's more injuries in soccer and baseball>> than there are skateboarding. >> When I don't know if any of you havebeen to Round Lake and Eden Hurry, but it's um right across the center highschool and they've got the beach, the splash pad, the skate park, the boat.There's always people at skate park. >> There's always people at the splash pad.There's always people at the skatepark. >> I think there are I think there'll bepeople at the skate park. I just think that the people filling out this surveyare probably not >> they're not the ones at not going to bethe ones at the skate. Well, I just wondered if one was like it was a hugecost to the city to have a skate park or >> Yeah.>> Well, and our park and recck commissioner Terry Schwer made a goodcomment in our discussion that >> a lot of times it's the location andwhere you put it too. >> And you're actually better off puttingit. >> Oh, really?>> In an area where you know there's going to be people>> more often than not >> rather than isolating it somewhere andthere's really no >> oversight of the kids playing. So>> positioning it in a park like this and somewhat adjacent to the playground>> could be a nice feature. >> Maybe don't want down.>> It's the design and style of it too, right, Marshall? Kind of the>> the approach that you take to the materials used to create the park,>> generates the desiraability, >> and then the more it gets used, thesafer it is too, right? Because you got more eyes on it. And there was a Iforget what park it is now, so I'm gonna have to go back and look, but they had apump track around a skate park. So like the track was on the outside and theskate park was kind of in the middle and there was a little bridge that went overto it. But that's another way to keep loud things or things that you thinkaway from the nature lovers if that was, you know, concern too. But>> yeah. Okay, so wrapping it up here. Nextsteps. Um, you know, I think city staff now will take it from here. Our we havea project team. Um, and we'll continue to work with conflict confluence to thendevelop a draft of what we think a preferred concept plan could be. Andthat draft will take into account um the the overall park goal of being auniversally designed where everybody belongs.Um it'll take into account the market and NRPA, National Recreation and ParkAssociation benchmark analysis that we conducted. Um it'll take into accountthe community feedback from phases one and two engagements um along with thepark and recreation commission feedback. Uh it needs to take into account thesite conditions. you know, um the reality is it's a hilly site and it'sgot awesome natural resource features with the big woods adjacent um on thesouth end of it. >> Next word,>> we need to take into account the maintainability and the impact on theoperating cost um going forward. So, there's>> it's not working >> some decisions in there that we wouldthat that that could um affect that going forward. So, we need to be mindfulof that. And then obviously the construction costis going to really come into play um as we develop this preferred concept plan.Um so we'll be evaluating those cost estimates in more detail and figuringout how that um plays a part in those other items that we need to take intoaccount. And then we'll plan for a joint work session in October to bring thecouncil and commission together so we can review that draft with you. Um getsome feedback um and comments on that. And then the thought would be to bring aproposed preferred concept plan to the park and recck commission in November umfor them to be able to give their recommendationto you for adoption. Do we have like a just a general budget that we're lookingat right now? Because I know we have Parkland editation dollars. You'reRotary and Lions. I maybe just Rotary, but they're doing fundraising effortstowards components of this. >> Yeah, we we've targeted between about 15and 17 million for it. Um, so I mean that I do sense that that's going to bea big part of our analysis as we're going forward with this is uh>> how do we meet that budget as we're as we're moving forward because>> um I don't know I've seen enough plans over the years to know that you knowgenerally get a sense of of how much things might cost.>> Yeah. It's like when we did the master plan for the community center, theytalked about, you know, the cost of something, but then the rate of returnon it and and things along those lines. I'm assuming it kind of gets maybebroken down. I know it's a little different. It's not an enterprise>> because we don't it's not >> yeah we're not paying entrance to get inor whatever. But >> um but that's going to be part of thewhole process is is really sort of looking at you know what is our you knowwhat is our budget what's our available resources and how do we maximize whatpeople are commenting on in that plan. So>> um that by far it's always the toughest part of the whole process. Yeah, Isuppose you have to evaluate too like, okay, we put this in, but what's ourongoing maintenance cost of this? What's going to be replacement cost of thisturf and just poking fun at um but yeah, just uh those sort ofcomponents, I suppose. >> Yeah, I mean we we definitely considerthat. But uh uh but no there you know this is you know this is where we reallystart getting serious about what things are we actually going to include uh inthis and do we think that that's meeting our expectations?>> Okay. >> No>> I suspect like we do for a lot of things. We look for grants. We look forpartnerships, you know, because I think like, youknow, again, not to talk baseball fields, but that's on my mind these daysbecause it's almost first season, but like Minnesota Twin Saw Nation, MetroBaseball League, there's lot there's other way like money, but soccer is thesame way and and even I'm sure like nature spaces probably has grant dollarsand stuff like so all those things I think are which we've always done areally good job as a city to find those opport opportunitiesum to you know maybe get an amenity that would be cost prohibitive but adds thatto it. >> Does this qualify for you know manyyears ago obviously a referendum to the voters of the statefor the arts. Does this fall within that purview?>> The legacy dollars. >> Yeah, the legacy dollars.>> Interesting. >> Or is this kind of>> parts of it we've already received legacy dollars for. So the big woods uhthe grants that we received for that were from the legacy.>> So I think if you were to look at this park as a whole,>> the stuff that we do in the woods and stuff to preserve that and you know getpeople out in there. I think that stuff could potentially be legacy dollarsbecause it has to be more regional in nature.>> Yeah. Um, I think it'd be a really tough argument to make that like the regularpark components would uh would qualify for legacy dollars.>> Sure. >> I mean, the other thing I mean, uh,Council Member Gro mentioned the, you know, partnerships. It's not unusual forcities to partner up with associations and say, you know, maybe what we wouldhave put into a regular field, we'll put that in, but maybe if there's a desireto see it bumped up to uh to turf that, you know, a lot of times you'll seecities will actually go out and finance that and give associations multipleyears to be able to, you know, come back. So, I mean, and I don't know ifthose are options or not here, but I think those are the types of things thatwe'll probably be looking at. >> Yeah. Knowing knowing the direction thatwe're beginning to head just with the concepts alone, we've started to sitdown and look at grant opportunities and talk to Confluence around, you know,support they can provide um and maybe writing and submit helping us to submitsome of those. Um, so we've got sort of sketched out a calendar of deadlines forsome of these opportunities and >> they relate to various things, you know,whether it be the park elements themselves or the the storm waterinfrastructure that's going to have to go in. Um, there's a number of differentopportunities from different angles. So, we're trying to take a broad net tothat. >> Yeah. one I was actually the whole timeMarshall was giving his presentation, I was looking at my spreadsheet that I puttogether like a year ago uh for this park and I had a note down on the bottomof it talking about how much of the of the grading in this park is associatedwith storm water. Um it's a lot and so I do think that there's some opportunitieslike Nate says uh to u look at how we can partner with agencies who look attrying to uh really upgrade uh wetland facilities around uh make them reallyhigh quality, you know, those types of things. So yeah, there's there'smultiple different aspects of this that we're going to be looking at.>> Okay. Wouldn't the storm water runoff create some sort of man-made lake thoughthat can then be built into the nature? I mean,>> it wouldn't be. This would be more like the type of storm water runoff thatyou'd see in a typical neighborhood. So, >> it goes through treatment stages in it.Uh, probably never to a stage where you'd actually be able to use it for forrecreation. >> Okay.>> Unless it froze. >> Well, that it freezes and you can skateon it. That makes the attorney nervousliability stuff. >> Then I won't bring up my pool thing, butI'm actually not bringing up the pool. It's more like any water features ormaybe skate parks. I'm not entirely sure. Pump tracks. But>> is there anything where you could minimize the cost by charging a verynominal amount to use? You know, like if you think about community communitieswho have outdoor pools, you they charge to get in. It's not just a well so doesthe community center for the indoor pool I guess but you know certain things asplash pad probably not but if you went to the point of waiting pools or you putin skate parks that were state of the art or things like that you could maybeoffset the cost a little bit >> I think the only way you could do thatis if you actually had an amenity like a pool>> because if you look at like Minneapolis has waiting pools they do>> and they're all free >> um the uh and I know this was a bigdiscussion question that uh came up within the park board when they weretalking about this is how do we make this park as accessible to everybody aspossible >> and not just people uh who maybe liveclose to it. There there was a big discussion about the splash pad andshould the splash pad be here because it's maybe not central enough to and ifyou were going to do a splash pad should you do it somewhere else in thecommunity not here. So that was the typ we're a huge community.>> No, but that's what I'm just saying that's the types of discussions that thepark board was having is how do you make this as accessible as possible toeverybody? >> I can see it.>> Fair. >> The popular question that I think Ialways know the answer, but I probably don't answer already because I get askeda lot. All things go good. Magically things place.Shovels in ground. I mean, the hope is is that we get thisto a point where we could actually start next summer grading.>> Um, it >> I've been right there. That's kind ofwhat I've said. >> Probably grade and grade next summer andfall and then most of the build would be 2027.>> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's kind of how I I just said,>> yeah, there's a lot of grading that needs to happen on this site. Umand and just even the the getting the grants and all that type of stufftogether. >> Okay.>> Yeah. >> In this picture it looks fairly flat butit must not be that flat if it is if you drive out on Perseron if it's stilllight when we leave here. Drive out on Person and turn left and drive all theway to the end. >> Okay.>> And then you'll go in a little culdeac there. And if you look back you look atthe site. the sightes. >> It's like a hill going up like 40 to 40to 50. >> Beautiful. Why didn't zipline gorgeous?>> I was out there at sunset one night and I was like, I cannot wait. Like it's sobeautiful out there. >> But even that like that will bepositioned to be an awesome sledding. >> There is definitely an upgrade where youcan >> you could definitely have a hill here.There's enough >> y>> which helps that >> some of the comments about seasonality,right? Mhm. Absolutely. >> I thought the ice rink comment wasinteresting, especially all the conversation we've had about the realityof ice rinks in Minnesota. But >> that is interesting. But then again,people are dreaming and yeah. >> And it was it was like year round thoughice, right? Like was >> like the community center.>> An outdoor frozen year round.>> I kind of took that as a nice arena like the community center. See, I took theyear- round comment as saying make this park be usable year round.>> Oh, yeah. >> Which I think sledding. Yeah. Which isgood because >> we have a lot of parks that don't getused. >> And depending on how you do your naturetrails, some of those could be cross country skiable. I mean, there's what'sthat park in Victoria where they do >> Yeah. Carver Park Reserve.>> Y >> Yep.>> Yeah. There's lots of opportunities in that woods. Mhm.>> That's a good >> Well, maybe I'll leave you with maybe asentiment from the park and recck commission which I kind of appreciated.You know, one of the questions was what's going to be the wow factor>> at this park and I like the think about that>> ferris wheel. I'm just kidding. >> Yes, you can watch this where they cameto and it's the universal design playground.>> Yeah. >> Yeah. You know, and I think it'sreminding us ourselves like that alone is going to be super cool to have in ourcommunity. >> Absolutely. It will be huge.>> Along with a miracle league field and I kind of look at everything else as sortof bonus, you know, compared to what we have in our system.>> I I had took my son to college this weekend and so we were middle of Ohioand took Lincoln to the Universal playground that they had there which Ithought was really cool. will look a lot like what I would imagine um ours wouldlook like. But right next to it, instead of community gardens where they rentedplots, they actually rented they actually had people grow gardens wherepeople could just come and pick vegetables. And so like if you werethere and you saw a tomato, you can just come and pick a tomato and eat it. And Ithought that's really cool. >> You sure you were supposed to eat that,too? >> Well, I thought so.>> Well, fruit. >> Yeah. I mean, our library down therejust it did the same thing with herbs. >> Yeah.>> And they were wellreceived. So, Well, isn't that what the what did you call itagain? A food forest. Isn't that what was meant to>> Well, I'll have to say just as a side note that my husband was like, "Youshould talk to the public works and see if they can plant apple trees because itwould be really cool to go for a walk and there's like an apple tree and youcan pick the apple." Like, I'm not bringing that up.>> You just did. You just did. >> You just did.>> But then when I saw that on there and she she expanded on it, I thought, well,he might be very intrigued by that. Good literation food forest. I like it.>> Well, >> bees when they're on the ground.>> I know. That's that's all I can think about is the as someone that stepped ona bee last Sunday, I don't know about that. Um, no, I appreciate your time.Um, thank you for the update. I look forward to seeingmore news come about. I don't know when you'll be back again with it, but>> thinking in October sometime. >> Okay. Yeah, that'll be amazing to kindof see something more sketched out, kind of more finalized in that sort of thelook of the concept of the park. So, >> I was just going to add one last thing.Um, and I saw it with the sensory play, but you know, all of our parks used tohave the the little rocks, whatever you called, feed rocks or whatever theycalled it. >> Feed gravel.>> Feed gravel. Yeah. And then um I don't know where all those rocks went, somaybe this is not even a fair thing to ask for, but an idea of like putting abig pit of rocks in for people to actually just go play. It's a lot likethe fall corn pit things. People love those kind of things cuz they're sensoryand you can play and build it up and run your trucks through it. And a lot of theparks used, little kids used to bring their dump trucks and build, you know,fill buckets and all that. And with the wood chips, that's kind of gone away. Somaybe something from that perspective that's not really expensive but very um>> textile. >> Yeah. Sensory and and easy to play inwould be a a good in sand I think is messy but those rocks are big enoughit's not so >> yeah a lot of a lot of playgrounds wentaway from the pearravel because it technically doesn't meet the ADA.>> Yeah. You can't run wheelchairs in >> accessibility. So then that's where the>> that's why I thought maybe just a big pit like a>> something is sort of a specific feature could be something to think about.>> And when kids throw pea gravel it hurts a lot more than the little rubberrubber. >> Although when they fall in it they don'tget slivers like they do with the >> but anyway just something about thesensory that maybe would be a very easy attractive thing>> texture. Okay great. Thank you. >> Corn pits. Yeah.>> Can't stand those corn. Thank you.All right. Well, that moves us along on the agenda uh to 5C, which is the MeadowPark update. You're just you're just checking off all the boxes tonight,aren't you? >> Yeah. That's when you're going to seethem again. It's right now. >> I know. This is true. You turn around inyour chair and come back. Oh, no. I'm actually taking this one this evening.>> You get to hear a lot of me moving forward, so get used to my voice.Although I was told to keep this one short so I will do that.>> Uh we are here to give an update on Meadow Park. Uh so for those of you whomay not remember uh or for those of you who are watching, Meadow Park is thepark that was just to the west of the public safety facility. So it wasremoved in order for uh that facility to go in. Um I think we're Marshall and Iare very excited to be here this evening. This has been a long timecoming. So, we hope you are excited about our plan as well.>> That's why >> a little bit of background about how wegot here and what we've been working on uh since that park was removed. Uh therewas a online survey that uh after Marshall just presented the numbers forSouthwest Community Park seems a little underwhelming, but at the time we arevery excited about it. Uh we sent postcards out to 921 homes and we got 70or excuse me 96 uh survey responses. And I'll give a brief overview of what weheard in that survey in just a moment. We did two in-person kind of openhouses. The first was at the community center with the Highway 41 and Angleropen house. Uh we handed out little uh QR codes that directed people to thesurvey. And then Marshall and I also did a little popup event at the Chesa PlaceApartments uh to gather some feedback from their residents as well.We have a pretty large steering committee uh made up of a variety ofpeople from a bunch of different departments including parks and wreck,police and fire uh community development, public works, and then uhwe had Gabrielle Grindy from HKGI uh working on the plan as well. We alsodid have three neighborhood representatives uh that did provide usfeedback on the plans and the process as well.Uh getting into uh the plan itself, uh we gone through a few renditions. Uhthis one before you this evening is about 4,400 square feet. Uh so that'sabout 300 more square feet uh than Hickory Park uh that just came in thisyear. And then uh one thing that we are excited Well, my summary slide is not in thisdeck. So uh I will just uh quickly recap it for you from my memory and hope Idon't miss something. Uh so of those 96 responses uh most of the people werewalking or biking to the park uh living within about 10 minute walking distancewhich we typically expected. Uh that's generally what we expect to see from aneighborhood park and their distance capture area. uh 10% of the surveyrespondents uh did note that they had a mobility uh limitation or anaccessibility concern that would impact uh how they would access or utilize thepark. Uh the top kind of three amenities that uh came out of what people likedabout Meadow Park and what they wanted to see in the new park uh alignedactually very well. uh citing the playground and just the variety ofequipment that was there and then the amount of shade and open space and thenthirdly uh kind of the seating and the gathering components of that plan.And so taking uh those survey results and the feedback that we heard fromthose three residents, uh we went through a series of plans and the onebefore you that we have again 4,400 square ft of play area. Uh we do uhpropose to have pourandplay surfacing at this locationand then focusing on you know how do we maximize shade trees? Uh we know thatthere's some carryover requirements from public safety. Uh so but what types ofvarieties of trees can we use to really maximize shade within the park?And then also uh including a 20 by 20 shelter that would really allow for someengagement uh between police and fire and then residents as well.Uh so I'll I'll show you uh just a few slides uh at the park and>> I don't think anything we're not seeing any of your slides.>> Oh well then you can't even tell that my survey results weren't even in the slidedeck. >> We I was thinking that excellent jobsummarizing it. I didn't even need it. >> You didn't even need it until now. Lookat that. >> I just figured you're giving us just anice recap. >> Yeah. I'm just going to wow you withsome pretty pictures. >> Well, now we're going to be wowed.>> Oh, back up. Thank you for skipping the words.>> Well, can you go back to the the park? Looks really cool. We breezed right pastit, but that playground. >> No, we're going there. I just figuredI'd show you the plan. >> Yeah, she wants to>> just to to show it. >> Uh again, shelter uh that play area andthen um the connection to that trail that will be put back in through thesite and then just sidewalk connections uh within that as well uh tying into thepublic safety facility. So the uh we brought three concepts uhfrom playground vendors to the neighborhood representatives and hadthem provide feedback on that. Uh they all unanimously agreed that this was thebest one and then the parks and wreck at their uh most recent meeting concurredwith that. Uh so this is um a more contemporary modular uh playground. I'mgoing to flip through a few of the images. Uh there's some swings as youcan see in the background. Uh some musical chimes. Uh there's some littlepolice and fire spring-loaded little rockers back andforth. My kids always love those no matter how old they get. Uh and then yousee kind of this track uh weaved through that porn and play so kids can ridetheir bicycles, etc. uh some of the the one of the commentsthat the neighborhood representatives made that I think you kind of seethrough these uh images is this is really a great uh kind of hybrid of aninja course and a playground. And so it's really filling that gap uh that wedon't see at some of our other playgrounds uh while still providing alot of climbing and slide opportunities. So, that was brief. Sorry you didn't getto see all my slides. >> That looks really cool, but I'll takeany question. >> The I'm assuming the floor is the groundof the is kind of that rubberized. >> Yep.>> Maybe recycled or something sort of turf like thing.>> It's It's actual porn in poured. >> Yeah, it's a pour and play. And so, itactually I mean it stays there. It doesn't move. And it's very soft.>> Okay. >> Yeah.>> Which is the next generation. Well, this is really cool. My wood chips. My sonand I used to go to this park um and it was really prone to flooding or just alot of standing water kind of in the middle of it. And so this is kind ofneat to see a re really nice revamped, you know, updatedum playground. >> I like that it incorporates police andfire but isn't like aggressively, >> you know? I think that's nice. I thinkthe shelter's nice because thinking about like safety camp and stuff. Isthere still room for a helicopter to land? I'm just kidding.Isn't that what they did? Right. The helicopter come land right there,wouldn't it? Okay. I was like, am I crazy? Um,>> no. They they probably can still land it in the parking lot.>> Okay, nice. >> Um, so yeah, I think this is reallycool. And yeah, I think the police and fire might beplaying out on it themselves. >> Yeah, no doubt.>> We're just going to see them out there with the>> So, >> so now that you kind of had the um parkcommission kind of weigh in and you're bringing it here, what's what's nextsteps and what's the timeline? because I I did have a resident at River City Daysreally live nearby and really I think they're very yes>> they're very interested. >> The reason that we wanted to to get thisout for people's uh comments now is because um if we're going to get this inand do this this fall, we need to start now.>> Okay. >> And so, uh Brian's actually working uhto uh to get things scheduled so that he can get in here. you know, there heprobably finishes up the equipment in the spring uh itself, but then yeah, butreally sort of gets the site ready and ready to accept the stuff so that by thetime next summer comes then >> that was my assumption but um nice tohear it kind of secure and it can go in kind of fast like I felt like Lion'sPark when the equipment was replaced there went kind of fast. So like thestructure of it is kind of there, then the equipment goes in quickly.>> And I feel like a lot of these neighborhood parks, they do it in aweek. I mean, they're I mean, there was something there already, but in and outin a week. >> Yeah. So, starting end of August is whenwe're anticipating that we'll be able to get into that park. Yeah. So, you'llstart to see some coordination between things that are happening over at thepublic safety facility and some of those contractors will be doing some of thework here. And that really allowed us to to maximize our budget and our timeline.>> Awesome. >> Yeah. Just the fact that we don't haveto bring another gridding contractor in that we just use the one that's on sitemakes a big difference. >> Yeah. And I'm sure as a resident they'llbe very excited to see that activity happening. and it kind of finalizes theconstruction of the public safety campus and kind of that finalized piece becauseI think some worried that it was just going to be kind of an uncheck box for alittle while. It's nice that it's a priority. >> Yeah.>> Yeah. It's gonna be such a awesome drive in the chesthat whole space like you know >> we're living through the pain now withthe closure of the road and everything but man like new park I mean just that'sit's exciting. >> Yeah. Very very exciting.>> Yeah. Big kudos to both these guys have put in a ton of work into>> Yeah. it. You know, going through a public process is really time consuming,but they've they've done a great job of of going through making sure that theneighbors have been a part of the process and I think came up with areally nice plans. >> Yeah, that's really nice. It's nice tohear you neighborhood representatives. I saw the postcard because I was in thatmailing district. Yeah, I'm Thank you for casting a wide net and getting allthe survey results on that. >> Great job. Keep up the good work.All right. Uh, anybody else have any questions for for uh, Marshall orAshley? Otherwise, >> we can move along on the agenda toapproving the previous >> might have might have more visitorpresentation. >> More Oh, yeah.That was a long visitor presentation. >> That was Yes. Thank you for holding out.If there is anybody here in the audience, this is the time to come up.Um, visitor presentation. Um, if you're not on the agenda for anything, feelfree to come forward and you just have to state your name andaddress for the public record. We're sitting pretty quiet in ourchairs, so I'm going to I'm going to lean on the uh>> I just wanted to make sure nobody got missed.>> Okay. Okay. I'm putting them in the hot seat out there. All all those all thosefolks out there. Okay. Well, thank you for for making sure I didn't breezeright along. All right, knowing that they had an opportunity and now iswindow is closing, we are going to move along to approvalof the previous meeting minutes. The meeting minutes from um August 4th of2025. Does anybody have any additions or corrections to the meeting minutes?Otherwise, I would entertain a motion to approve.>> Motion to approve. >> All right, we have a motion from CouncilMember Chevlin. >> Second. and a second from councilcouncil member Bennish. Sorry. Uh all those in favor say I.>> I. >> And it's approved. Moving right along toour consent items. These items are uh items that ne don't necessarily need alot of discussion, but we certainly can pull something off. Um if anybody hasany questions or maybe a comment, um I'd entertain a motion to approve.Otherwise, >> motion to approve.>> Okay, a motion from council member Hatfield.>> Second. >> A second from council member Gra. Anyother discussion? Otherwise, all those in favor say I.>> I. >> Opposed.>> All right. Consent items approved. And we're going to move along to our actionitems. And the first one is or maybe the only one is 8A. Uh adopt resolutionnumber 2025-46. and 2025-47and ordinance number 1068 approval of the preliminary plat resoning andcomprehensive plan amendment for chavevel 19th edition took curvequadringa ventures PC number 2025-07 >> uh mayor council members that item infront of you tonight it's been a few months since we've seen this but this isto curb if you remember is the when you go into Chvel neighborhood go over thebridge and take your first Right. Uh they're the single loaded uh housestreet as you drive to the north. Uh the proposal uh that you guys saw before inconcept and now here preliminary is to uh add houses on the other side of thatstreet, but also then uh help permanently preserve uh that pasturearea there as green space uh in the community. So, um I believe since Nate'slike looks like he's not engaged. Um it must be>> got him like threw you under the bus over there.>> I'm assuming it must be Ashley that's speaking tonight. So, I'll turn it overto >> see your slides. Ashley, you're good togo, too. >> Yeah, your slides are make sure myslides are showing. I double checked this time.Uh, as Matt said, uh, this is the horse farm site that you see, uh, right innorthern Chaza with that white fence. Uh, it's a large horse pasture area. Uh,right at the corner of 86th Street and Bavaria Road. Uh, tonight we are in thesecond phase of Chaza's three-step review. Uh, so we are in that phasewhere we are seeing more technical details on those plans. uh and we'restarting to see resolution to some of the items and issues that we identifiedin the concept plan. So that that first step, there is one final step uh that'llcome before you uh in the future should they decide to move forward uh andthat's really that final review uh that happens where we see those final issueresolutions, final detailed plans uh before it would move into a permittingphase. The site uh is roughly 30 acres in size.Uh there is an existing home uh and agriculturalbuildings with some accessory structure, smaller accessory structures in the morenortheast corner of that site. Uh the remainder of that property is uhcurrently being used for horse pasture and there is some white fencing that uhuh by sections through that property. Uh it's mostly flat uh but the highestpoints of the property is more in the northwest corner uh and then drainingdown from there. Uh while that overall site again is 30acres, uh we're going to be spending most of our time as as Matt said in thatmore southwestern corner of the site. Back in February, uh there was a 10 theconcept plan that you saw. Uh just a quick refresher, uh 10 new single familylots on that roughly six six acres in the southwest corner. Uh those lot sizeswere roughly 60 feet wide uh and ranged in size from 7500 to 9,000 square feet.Uh they were showing to connect that new public right ofway and the utilities tothe west into curve and there was a storm water management uh BMP that wasshown uh to the east of that new culde-sac.There was landscaping uh that was also shown uh through Burming and someadditional vegetation both on the east and west side of that uh new developmentsite. There was a neighborhood meeting uh heldin November. Uh there was roughly 20 residents that attended that meeting. Uhthey had a number of inquiries as it related to just the overall developmentin terms of density and future development opportunities of that largersite. Uh they also had questions about new home design size and whether or notthey would include basements. Uh they also wanted to understand what thescreening requirements were from the city and what they were proposing. Uhand then they also had questions about construction timelines uh traffic andaccess for the new development. The concept plan uh came before you asthe planning commission and the city council. So, just to quickly recap someof those conversations, uh there were four residents that spoke at theplanning commission meeting. Uh they really summarized uh some of the HOA'sposition and how they've acquired outlots, which we'll talk about a littlebit later. uh they had some encouragements for how the developmentwould integrate into their uh the To Villas neighborhood and then as well asthe overall Shioal uh HOA and they also had some uh comments andkind of some uh requests to do uh landscape islandswithin that new culde-sac adding some additional screening uh etc. They alsouh just wanted to confirm one more time uh that that remainder of the 3910property uh could not be further developed.Here at the council meeting, uh one resident spoke uh they raised someadditional concerns related to snow storage within the existing developmentand how that may uh be improved or worsened uh by any future development.uh and then they uh reiterated that their participation would continue to berequired as the project moved forward. You as the council uh you discussed uhthe how the project uh would be involved both with the To Villa's HOA as well asthe overall Chioal HOA. Uh and then you encouraged and continued conversationbetween the HOA and the developer. The plan before you this evening has alot of similarities to what you saw in the concept plan. Uh that's still 10 newsingle family lots accessed by that new culdeac. Uh the lot configurationschanged slightly. Uh those lot sizes increased to 7700 square ft to alignwith Villas. Uh in doing so, some of the widths were reduced and we'll talk aboutthat a little bit later. Uh there is some landscaping that is still beingshown uh to provide a buffer uh between the new development and that existingdevelopment to the west. Uh there's also u more details on the screening uhthat's being proposed on the north and east side of that new development andwe'll go through some of the details of that uh here in just a minute.There's also a swale uh that is being proposed to capture water kind of on theeastern side of that culde-sac uh to direct that water down into a basin thatwraps around uh the southern side of those new lots.And unlike the uh concept plan, uh there is pedestrian improvements uh that areshown on that north side of the new culde-sac. Uh the new homes submitted elevations uhgenerally suggest single level living with threecar garages. Floor plansgenerally uh are showing homes roughly with footprints of the 2,00 to 2500square ft. Uh generally twocar garages. These are really just shown to give usthe flavor of what those character of those new homes could look like. Uh wedo have ordinances as you're aware that we would be reviewing at the time of abuilding permit as it relates to anti- monotony uh etc.The grading plan is indicating that those lots on the northern side so thosefive lots on the north side of the new culde-sac would have full basements andthe lots on the south side of that culde-sac uh would have walk outbasement. Uh so the first request this evening uhis to reszone the property from RR2 uh to PRD89 so a new planned residentialdistrict. Uh staff is ultimately uh comfortable with that request and isrecommending approval this evening uh because their proposed setbacks uh aresimilar to what is happening at Villas and uh within Chabal. Uh so moving into the second request asit relates to preliminary plat uh for this evening and lot configuration.There's a lot of things happening on here on this slide. So I'll I'll walk usthrough it. As part of the Shioal Master DevelopmentPlan uh that was approved in the mid 2000s. uh this site there was twin homesthat were contemplated uh for developmentand the intent was really for all of that development on both sides of Toarocurve that new culde-sac uh to essentially mirror each other. So theywere shown to be attached twin homes. uh when Shioal uh developed uh in 2007,their plans and the council approvals essentially split those attached unitsinto detached town homes that you see today.And uh the plan before you this evening is really showing a continuation of thatdetached town home unit. So staff is is ultimately comfortable with that as itit continues the intent of having that mirroring on either side.Uh again those minimum lot sizes are consistent with what Toaro curve uhdeveloped with uh but there was a reduction in the lot width. So includedthis evening there is a condition of approval uh to bump up those lot widthsuh to 57 feet uh to be consistent with Villas.or shioal fifth uh more formally. Uh so looking kind of beyond uh those 10new lots uh there is an outlot proposed to protect uh that storm water and thatburming uh that wraps around that new development. and then the remainder ofthose 23 and a half acres of that property uh would be placed intoconservation easement uh to protect uh that pasture land in perpetuity. So one of the uh discussions uh that washad extensively at concept plan was really where the right place for thatright of way to connect into villas. Uh if you remember when Shioal fifthedition developed uh there was a small 36 foot wide touch point uh and then twoouts that were reserved to provide access for future development to thesite. Uh after that uh development happened the HOA did acquire thoseoutlots. So just leaving that small touch point that's really half of theamount that the city would need for right of way. And so the developerworked extensively with the HOA to to figure out what's a reasonable solutionuh to get access into the site. Uh originally the concept plan showed uhthe access a little further south um but before it came before you uh that accessuh was moved north uh at the request of the HOA. And the intent of thatrelocation was really so the headlights would be directed more between uh thehomes across the street or towards their garages uh versus directly into theirliving spaces. So again, uh staff continues to supportthat relocation uh and that access. Uh but we also acknowledge and that'sreflected in your conditions of approval for this evening uh that there is somecontinued coordination and participation uh with the HOA to make that happen. Uh the plans are included in your uhpacket for this evening. There was a small change uh from when the planningcommission reviewed this. Uh the construction access originally was shownuh in this black hatched area. Uh similar to what was originallycontemplated though uh that access would be used for the kind of the site'sinitial grading uh the utility connections uh as well as the culde-sacconstruction. Uh the applicant's narrative suggests that that would allroughly wrap up uh within the first 90 days or so uh from constructionbeginning and then after that point uh that construction access would beremoved and restored back into uh pasture landat the time uh well during the planning uh or during our review and as noted atplanning commission. Uh there is a potential wetland that was identified uhas being located in the same area as that construction access. Uh so asupplemental plan had been submitted uh for your consideration that really movesthat construction access north uh to avoid delays in requiring that wetlanddetermination. Uh staff is is comfortable with that. Uh we generallyconcur. We understand that there's some additional details that we need tounderstand, but it probably would uh result in no longer needing to gothrough that wetland termination process. Uh at the planning commission meeting,there was also significant conversation about uh the sidewalk. Uh as currentlythe existing sidewalk for Toaro curve wraps around the west side andterminates right before the the culde-sac bulb. Uh the new proposal isproposing something similar to on the north side terminating uh roughlyhalfway through the culdesac bulb. Um staff noted in the report that this is alittle awkward uh as there's not really a connection into that existing uhpedestrian network. And so included in your uh packet is a condition ofapproval. So we can continue to work through uh if that con if there's a wayto create a reasonable connection uh into that network or and where theappropriate termination uh point is. Uh the planning commission uh did commentthat if there wasn't a way to do that they would support uh ultimatelyremoving that sidewalk from that northern side in the plans.>> Why don't just go around the whole thing?That was I I think that was the original intent. However, you know, there there'sstill how it's connecting into that network on the west side because there'snot currently a sidewalk on the east side. So, when Toaro Curve, excuse me,when Chioal Fifth uh was developed, the intent was for there to be a sidewalkgoing all the way around. Uh when the HOA acquired those outlots, they tooksome ownership to that. So there would be some coordination that they wouldhave to participate in if they wanted to create the network around the existingculdesac to tie into the new culde-sac. >> Yeah, because I get understand why onthe original one because the houses weren't done on the other side, right?It just seems weird and not consistent in the city to not like those houses onthe south side, this is directionally appropriate, won't have sidewalks, butthe other ones will. It just seems Like I for sure feel likethat whole new culde-sac probably should have had sidewalks all the way around. Iunderstand I can't fix the issue on the other end because that already exists.But >> yeah, and I feel like they can stillcross the street and then they're in the more of a network of sidewalks. And so Iagree that was like that very much stood out to me that we would end a side asidewalk right there. >> I mean you see those occasionally atdifferent and it just always looks strange. It looks I always feel like,oh, they someone decided this. What was I going to put in the sidewalk? I mean,it just because it just ends and you're like,>> that's how my neighborhood is. It just goes to the park and then it ends.There's nothing in the culde-sac or the other side.>> Yeah. And they really can just cross the street and then they're in then there'sso many sidewalks. So, just I get that there's not like a lot of traffic, butto be consistent with the rest of our community, I whenever I'm in aneighborhood that doesn't have sidewalks, I am like bummed for them.And I'm like, someone should have planned better and put sidewalks here.Uh, so yeah, I just feel like there should be a sidewalk around the wholething. >> But it sounds like it's addressed.>> It's being addressed. Yeah. >> It's going to still be have aconversation and >> Okay.>> I'm not as supportive of like just taking it out. I'm more like put itaround the whole thing. >> Yeah. And, you know, as a planning staffmember, I I would concur with that. you know, if there's a way to continue thesidewalk versus just having it end, that would be the preference. And but then,you know, again, continuing that conversation and figuring out what thecorrect connection into that existing network uh is. So,>> I guess I don't understand why, like what's the>> financial or the >> I think>> marketing costs. >> I think what they're saying is that theHOA owns that portion of the the corner there, right? So it'd be having tocultivate the conversation with >> But they don't own the the north side ofthat or the >> Yeah, exactly. Because that's thatthat's that little sliver of land that they originally remember when theybought the out lots and it kind of went up>> conversation. >> Yeah. She Yeah. So I I'm assuming thatthat falls within that vicinity since they moved it a little north that sitsin that area, but the south is part of that negotiated area. And so it's aboutnegotiation with the HOA to give up that little piece so that that sidewalk cancontinue. Agreed. Okay. >> Or if I can come around and I guess endthere and cross >> cuz I agree. I think like as a sellingpoint having a sidewalk in front of your home.I mean some maybe some homeowners don't like it, but I think it's it is a littleodd that there's some on the one side and not on the other.>> Yeah. I can almost guarantee that those houses over there would enjoy having asidewalk there to walk around. So, >> yeah. And I'm not sure like themarketability of like what kind of demographic we're looking for, but lookslike the homes are looking designwise slightly different from the other homesthat are in there. So, I'm imagine these being single family homes that you mighthave children as a concept in this. Whereas the other ones that are um onthe original um street there I I didn't when I door knocked I didn't tend to seesmall children. Not saying that there's not any, but I'm assuming that ourdemographic might be a little bit different in this culde-sac. So,sidewalks are kind of essential in that sort of standpoint for safety reasons,too. Yeah, and you know the the developer ishere this evening so they may be able to provide some additional commentary as totheir thought process. Um my understanding from the engineer was theywere essentially proposing a sidewalk similar in design to what exists in theneighborhood. Um but I think you know the developer is here this evening andhas heard some of your commentary and has I think generally expressedwillingness to continue that conversation. Uh so looking through uh what it wouldtake in order to get those those new lots and and those utilities and the newhome in uh there's roughly 6.2 acres of grading. Uh one of the things that wasnoted in your report for this evening is that some of that grading does extendkind of beyond uh what we're calling that development site. And so includedin your condition of approval uh is continuing some coordination to figureout what that right mix is. Is it adjusting the lot lines to accommodatethat additional grading area? Are we comfortable with that grading areaknowing that it's in conservation easement? Uh or is there some reductionin the grading to get it within that development site? Uh so we'll continueto work through that ahead of final. Uh so you'll see that as a list of um itemsto be resolved. Uh one of the visuals uh that hopefullywas helpful when you went out to visit the site was kind of looking throughthose three layers of of white fence. This photo doesn't do the best jobexplaining that, but hopefully you saw that when you were out using thisdiagram that as you're moving and driving down Bavaria Road, uh the extentof that development would push through roughly half of those back to whitefences. So, that kind of gave you an idea of where that development uh wouldstart in relation to Bavaria. Uh there is a 12-oot Berm uh that'sbeing shown uh to provide some screening uh between Bavaria and the newdevelopment. Uh but the important note is because of that the existingtopography and that swale uh that's being proposed, the top of that burm isis really only uh 2 to four feet above the elevation of that new street. Sowhile 12 feet sounds uh taller uh it there's not as much screening beingprovided uh by way of that. Uh another note uh in the report uh getsto just off-site tree impacts. So the development site itself uh is deoid oftrees uh but there are some trees that are offsite. Uh the plans showingphysical removal of three trees. uh we know when you start to impact more than30% of critical root zones of trees, it can have significant impacts on theirhealth. Uh and so included as a revised condition of approval uh was just notingthat we want to have a better understanding of what those removalsare. Uh understanding and recognizing that the developer and the To villas HOAhad some agreements to some additional tree removals uh that would uh occur.And so we want we're advocating uh for uh working with the developer to reducethe amount of grading impacts to those trees to try to preserve some additionaltrees. Uh but then also really understanding uh what the true uhremoval is ahead of final. So now moving into uh the third requestas it relates to the comp plan amendment. Uh so a comp plan as you knowuh is the document that guides city growth for 20 years uh in a number ofdifferent areas including land use, transportation, parks and trails andpublic facilities. Uh since the 2000 comp plan uh there was a key land usegoal uh that was to provide a green belt around uh the city's edge to essentiallypreserve uh Chesca's identity. Uh the comp plan in the landuse chapter then uh does identify three development strategies and policies inorder to really preserve uh and guide development within that green belt.And if you remember uh from the concept plan, one of the uh kind of lingeringquestions was whether or not a comp plan amendment uh would be required for thisdevelopment to move forward. And part of that uh was rooted inrecognition that in 2006 uh there was an amendment to the two 2020 plan againthat was adopted in 2000 uh that really allowed for chioal uh todevelop. So it introduced that third uh development strategy to allow forcluster style development. And at that time in that 2006 amendment, the site,as you can see here, was included in all of the exhibits uh for that land usechange and for that MUSA boundary adjustment.And that uh it should be noted again that you know the 10 units that you'reseeing this evening uh and the 2.41 41 acres of development area that thatstaff has, you know, uh, communicated extensively with the developer is reallyrooted in what was approved for the site as part of that 2006 amendment. uh the the question of whether or notthe amendment was required uh was because the 2030 and the 2040 so thosesubsequent plans uh showed that Shioval got it as conservation residential uhbut the subject property uh really remained as rural residential and wasomitted from uh that Musa u map. So, we've had conversations uh with theMet Council. Uh they've confirmed uh that they do have to go through the compplan amendment process. Uh so, there is information about what that processlooks like in your staff report for this evening. Uh and that's really becausethose those guide those subsequent plans uh became the official guidingdocuments. So, those are the the approved plans.So, uh kind of walking through then knowing that a comp plan is required. Uhthere those three policies in the comp plan. Uh there the first two really getto rural development guiding. The second one gets to extremely low or very lowdensity at community entrances. Uh we're not going to spend too much time talkingabout them because they're uh going under that cluster development thatthird policy similar to Shioal. The comp plan does uh say that in orderto do a cluster development, you have to go through a comp plan amendmentprocess. Uh it outlines then a number of objectives that that staff is looking atand evaluating uh when determining if that that amendment is appropriate. Itreally gets to uh location of the site uh the availability in connection toexisting infrastructure or proposed infrastructure.uh and then it's looking at uh what the development density is. And so you cansee that uh it's checking those boxes. Uh the remaining box then really gets touh viewshed uh open space and natural resource protection at key communityentrances. And so the the green belt plan there'sthere's eight community entrances uh identified. Uh one of them is northeastof the site. So at that 86th Street and Bavaria Road intersection, the comp planis really seeing development at those uh key community entrances is extremelyimportant. So it's it's providing a lot of guidance uh for what that view andwhat that feel should be at that community entrance and you can start tosee that in uh Siobhal's approved landscaping plan uh that staff used toevaluate the current proposal and then what's out there today. So, as you movefrom the Victoria uh Chaza city boundary and as you're moving east uh towards thesubject property and that key community entrance, you're starting to see anincrease in screening. So, on the kind of Victoria Chaza boundary, you'reyou're still seeing some of those rooftops. You're still seeing some ofthat development. As you get to uh that roundabout, that traffic circle, eventhough development is still similarly distanced, you're not seeing it. you'reyou're really seeing this burmed and this heavy landscaping. And the thoughtthen is that that is providing that that transition into that key communityentrance. And so we're we're evaluating uh againusing the chioal's approved landscaping and screening plan that is really umprotecting that viewshed inwards uh so from those those adjacent roadwaysinwards towards the development uh to the concept plan and uh the current planat concept plan uh we noted that there's probably some additional landscapingneeded. We wanted to understand uh what that viewshed was by way of somesections and the applicant uh did revise their plans. They provided someadditional screening to the north provided again some additionalinformation on uh what that birming uh looked like but uh staff is really stilluh has some concerns as it relates to what that viewshed looks like. And thatgets to, you know, the original the approved screening section uh for thisarea is including a a tall burm uh roughly 100 ft wide. There's really amix of natives, coniferous, and deciduous trees uh that are reallyobscuring that view uh from the adjacent roadway.The views uh as currently proposed are really relying heavily on uh fully grownvegetation. So all of the vegetation that's really proposed is is at a prettysimilar height of 40 to 50 feet. And they're relying on uh that about 10 to15 years from uh development to provide what they're showing as as the uh fulluh obscuring. But again, uh there's the landscaping choices. Uh there's twoconiferous species. They're known to drop their needles. So there's not goingto be as much screening during the winter time when those remainingdeciduous trees are dropping their leaves and then again uh relying less onthe burming and more on that full growth.Uh so I think in summary uh it's important to note that staff is isultimately supportive of the comp plan amendment and to reguide the propertyand then also uh to adjust that Musa boundary and we'll continue to work withthe developer on uh that viewshed uh analysis. So some things to work onuh ahead of final plat as staff sees it. again landscaping plan and view sheds.Uh we'll continue coordination on uh off-site grading impacts. Uh we'llcontinue to work on sidewalk connections, drainage and storm water.And then just the understanding conserva the conservation access and right-of-wayeasements and then ensuring that those lots are reconfigured uh in such a waythat the lot widths are matching uh to Laro Villas without uh exceeding that2.41 acres uh that was originally allocated for the property. And I I weaved some of this into mypresentation uh at the planning commission last Thursday. Uh there werefour residents that spoke. A lot of their comments echoed uh what thoseheard during the uh concept plan. I think some of the newer ones. Again, uhthere was some conversation about uh who's going to own the fence when it'srelocated and what are the responsibilities of that. uh they wereadvocating for uh a longer use of that construction access and so they wererequesting some additional conversations and coordination as it centered aroundthat. Uh the planning commission uh ultimately concurred with a lot of theiruh concerns uh and directed staff to continue to work with the developer onsome of those outstanding items. And then ultimately uh they made therecommendation to you this evening for approval.So with that uh there are three requests before you this evening and I'll turn itback to you u mayor if you have any questions or discussion.>> I have a question. It might be Oh sorry. >> No go ahead. I it might not besignificant, but when does the development of the site plan on startingand how does that coincide with the tearing up and repaving of Bavaria? The>> well the the actual milling and overlaying of Bavaria will probably onlytake a couple weeks. >> Okay.>> So, it won't take that long. Okay. >> Um I don't think it's really going tohave too much of an impact uh just because of where they're going to havetheir construction access going back there. Uh but that the milling and andoverlay operation is actually pretty short.>> Okay. >> So, >> does anybody else have any questions forstaff at all? >> All right. A developer wants to come onup and have a chat. >> Absolutely. Uh thank you so much, MadameMayor, members of council. Appreciate the opportunity to be before you thisevening. My name is Megan Rogers. I'm an attorney with Len Hoffman. and I workwith Kadriga Ventures who's the developer for this project. Um so sofirst and foremost really want to thank staff for the time that they've taken uhworking with us on this project. Uh it's about two years uh in the in the line ofgetting 10 lots. Uh so that is um it's it's been sort of a long road. Um butthat has uh really been based upon the collaborative approach that we've takenwith the neighborhood um to work to sort of make this work not only uh for forour client and for the Stoer parcel um but also for those single family homesum that have been there for over 20 years now which is kind of surprising.Um so I wanted to talk a little bit more about the areas of flexibility uh thatwe brought up to the planning commission and wanted to bring um you know sort ofin in context and in in concert with staff's presentation tonight. Um so youknow first and foremost this plan is aligned with the one-third 2/3 uhallocation of developable area and non-developable area that's consistentwithin Chafal um and staff highlighted the lot sizes in particular um as anarea that we needed to improve upon from concept plan and we were successful inthat in terms of the square footage. Um, one thing that is remaining and thatwe're we're working through from an engineering perspective, but I wouldappreciate council's um, uh, advice and and thoughts on is that, uh, if you lookat the overall site plan, uh, there are, uh, the two lots that are immediatelyadjacent to the culdesac have limited rightway um, or limited lot frontage.They have they're the same lot size as the rest of the lots, but they're sortof cut in a triangle. Um and then this goes on to talking a little bit moreabout uh the site plan and the sidewalks that are proposed for the site. Um andone of the things is that those two lots are unique um in terms of how theyinteract with the roadway. Um and so but they uh will physically appear the same58 lot square footage. And if you see on that site, they sort of extendbackwards. >> Hold on, Ashley. Can you can you bringit up? I'm I I just want to double check that I'mgot the right ones in front of us that you're speaking about.>> Thank you so much. Appreciate it. >> So, you're saying rather thanrectangles, they're lots of more triangle like pies shaped.>> That's correct. And so from a code perspective, um they they do measure at42 square feet across um in the driveway area, but when they immediately back up,um you see that they actually are angled outwards.>> Is it number five on both? Is that what we're speaking about?>> And those are 58 ft across. Um and so you know when we look at this site weare limited in terms of uh how we develop the property uh based upon that1/3 two/3s analysis. Um and we found this design to be sort of effective wayfor these lots to present um just as the curb homes present. um while also uhmaking sure that we are very much abiding by that 1/3 2/3 the 2.1 acresversus the 6.2 acres um of developable space. Um and that is a condition ofapproval that staff is requiring or recommending tonight. Um and I wouldseek uh you know council's guidance on that. um and if there is an opportunityfor some flexibility there. Uh and in concert as you as you look at thatdesign and and consider that, I'll talk a little bit about how the sidewalkdesign evolved. Um and because it has to do with this uh lot outline as well. Um,so the the sidewalk that's proposed on the north side of the Toaro Court, um,it currently, uh, it aligns and connects with the existing sidewalk, uh, on touh, Toaro Drive. To curve, there we go. To curve. Um, and so the idea is tocreate sort of pedestrian connectivity so that you cross at one location um, ascompared to crossing within the street. crossing within the street is ccertainly something that we could do and we could add a sidewalk um on the southside here. We do want to keep the majority of the sidewalk outside of theculdesac. Um and the reason for that is that the the residents of curve havelong talked about the issue of snow snow storage on this property. Um and one ofthe things that they would like to see is to be able to push snow all the wayto the end of this expanded culde-sac. Um and then this would allow for lessimpervious surface in that area and it will also create consistency in terms ofoverall green space. Um so this area um at the end of the culdesac is going tobe um is again is open space is an outlot um and will go back to theoverall villas conjoined to villas to court neighborhood. >> Is that we we plow this right?>> Yeah. Okay. >> Is the culdeac big enough? I mean, a lotof the culde-sacs like in my neighborhood, the snow ends up in themiddle. >> That's what that's been our practice isto actually push it in the middle of the culdeac. Uh,>> that's what I was wondering. Yeah. >> Like, we're not going to push it up onsome grass. >> No, we don't push it up. Now, theneighborhood would like us to put an island in the middle of this culde-sacthat would be similar to what is in the existing uh Toro curve culde-sac, whichwould require some place to not put the snow in the middle. And so,>> well, that's why they have nowhere to put their snow.>> Yeah. Well, it doesn't matter if there's an island or or if there isn't. We putthe snow in the middle of the >> culdeac.>> Even if there's an island. >> Yeah. The only one I can think of isover in the harvest >> on the snow question. Um, and this is megetting into curves neighborhood associationsbusiness, but I believe they have snow clearing for their driveways.>> Oh yeah, that's what it was. >> And I suspect that those snow clearersare dragging the snow out into the street and pushing it somewhere, right?Whereas >> those of us without that service justput it onto our yard. >> Are you? So I think that maybe that'sone route of their concern of where snow I think it's driven more by that than>> Okay. >> Is this going to be a part of the sameHOA? >> It sure is.>> Okay. So then they would be clearing the driveways of these homes as well.>> So they're pushing their snow up on their grass.>> Nobody else would. But right now they're not. They're just going across.>> No, I know. No, I get that. But it wouldn't be like we're not going to putthe snow up there. >> It would be their drag.>> So they're going to have to drag their That's fun for them. Whoever removestheir snow is gonna have to go around our snow pile, put the snow up there.That's good. >> Or like she said, they're gonna insteadof having to push it across the street, they're gonna have to start putting iton their yards like everyone else. >> So, they have an island right there. Arewe putting the snow in that island? Is that what we're doing?>> I don't know for sure, but I suspect we are. I mean, I don't know what kind oflandscaping uh exists there, but I suspect we are putting snow there.>> I just don't remember an island being on here.>> I guess my suggestion would be, you know, there's a discussion on theisland. And there's discussion around where snow is going to go, discussionaround how the lots are going to, you know, ultimately be solved for. Um, Imean, those are all questions, right, that staff is happy to continue to workwith the developer on. I think there's a coordinated effort that needs to happenwith public works to make sure that we understand that. Um, and, you know,hopefully there's ways to, you know, make those adjustments to make the lotwas uh, you know, conform to code. Um, I would, if you're looking for asuggestion, you haven't asked it, but I'll give it anyway. Um, I think, youknow, those are >> I always like Nate's suggestions.>> There you go. I think those are great things for us to work with the developeron. I I don't know that those are issues that will get solved here this evening.I just don't think we have enough information to solve that.>> So, we're going to continue the conversation.>> Yeah. I mean, because we really need to be able to talk with public works aboutI mean, because this isn't the only neighborhood if they are getting theirtheir driveways plowed. >> It's not the only neighborhood associassociation we have where that happens. I mean, when I lived in Cloverfield, wehad that at our house. >> And so, I mean, this happens at otherplaces in the community. So, we we can definitely figure it out.>> Okay. >> Miss Rogers, who maintains thelandscaping in the island if that happens?>> It is the HOA to an encroachment agreement that's inpublic right away. It's my understanding that that is aspecial uh that's a special island. It also has utilities and electricityattached to it. Yes, it's magical and has special powers, Mr. City Attorney.Uh so I I I know I probably don't know enough about how that existing islandworked, but it is a design feature that the the neighborhood specifically raisedat planning commission as a desire. Um now from a development perspective, youknow, we would want to work through that. uh with the city and also you knowfrom from a from a practical perspective I think we believe that not having anisland is is the e is the best way to build this um because it's difficult forsnow plows curbs are often chipped in the course of sort of getting aroundthat in terms of larger trucks um there are the maintenance requirements all ofthose types of things uh and so we would not necessarily be in>> we we are not married to the idea of an island um And certainly if there arereasons that it would not be beneficial for the city, we would be interested tohear those. >> I agree with Nate and and trust thateverything will work. But I will say that I am certainly not a fan ofcreating >> obstacles>> obstacles or something different for our city plows. Yeah. that create acomplaint cycle because I can see how that could create a compl like they'renot doing what they're supposed to be doing because they've forgotten they putit in the middle because everywhere else they're putting in the middle,>> right? >> And and we all know and take pride fortwo things. One, we know that getting road plows are important inMinnesota and we do take a lot of pride in the city of Chesa of getting peoplethose road plot quickly. >> Yeah.>> And so I I again >> and safely.>> Safely. So, I trust that it'll all work out. I will say I really do not like theidea of like for this group we're going to push the snow onto a grassy spacebecause in the end I don't think we are and then it's weird because our snowwill be one place and their snow will be somewhere else and it just becomes>> Yeah, I mean I can understand the aesthetic of it but I agree and I alsolook at just the structure of that culde-sac in comparison to the existingone and they're even shaped a little bit differently. I just don't I don't don'tview that as a successful entity there. But>> yeah, but again, I you summed up well. It'll work it way it'll work its wayout. You're very engaged right now. >> He became re-engaged>> after he got called out. >> At least he stayed.>> I hope that gives you a little bit of clarity.>> No, it certainly does. And I appreciate it. And and so then there's one areaanother area of clarity um that I was hopeful that we could discuss thisevening. Um and that's specifically with regard uh to the landscaping thatsurrounds this property. Okay. >> Um and you know staff has done a reallynice job uh in talking about the goals of the comp plan require this area tofeel visually remote. Um th that those are sort of the magic words that areincorporated into that descriptive language. Um and and one of the thingsthat is important to our eventual builder which is Gaia Homes andStonegate um is to uh retain some of the viewshed of the equestrian facility umin terms of how the new homes as well as the the existing homes see through umthe uh supplemental landscaping to the equestrian lots. So, our existinghomeowners are are wishing to see the the equestrian farm.>> Everybody wants to see the horses is the is the general answer.>> See the horses. >> I know. I just want I want to make sureI'm understanding that correctly. >> That's exactly right. Uh and and so oneof the the issues that raises is that the um along 86th Street in the areasthat that uh Planer Collie shared um there are more dense uh tree screeningareas there. However, they're approximately 100 feet from 86th Street.Uh the edge of this uh 6 acre parcel is se 600 or 768 ft from 86th Street. Andso um we would recommend and we would seek council support for sort of alayered approach to screening in this space, which is we're retaining thebroader uh equestrian fields through that conservation easement. Then therewill be the burm um that was well noted uh is 12 feet but really appears as fivefeet. Um so about a miiz burm and then um and then the trees that will cascadeoff of that. Um that is the the desire of our builder is to ultimately be ableto have um some ability to see through to those larger equestrian spaces. Andwe believe that that is consistent ultimately um with the guidance of thecomp plan uh because the distance between these homes and the roadwayalong with a preservation of an agricultural use retains that visuallyremote feel. >> Okay.>> A less fancy way of saying that. >> Well,so I I mean obviously I think these guys have to take a look at at that. The onecautionary uhsentiment I'd throw out is that there was a lot of thought put into Chvel anda lot of thought put in put into the fact that it was originally guided asfour houses per 40 acres or one house per 10 acre. So it felt very rural. Uh,one of the things, and you saw it on the pictures that they showed from the the86th Street on the north side of the the site, even in skinny areas where therewasn't a lot to work with, there was >> Thank you. Absolutely. there was prettysignificant burming uh that was put up there um to really create uh to toreally uh that people didn't see houses uh when they were uh driving down theroad that really maintain that rural character. Um,if we were to do something that really didn't create that that visual blockfrom people driving down the road of seeing the those homes, it really sortof take away from from what everything else in Chvelhas worked to to maintain as those viewsheds. And respectfully I would add that uh retretention of those view sheds is achieved through the distance. It'sachieved through the retention of that broader conservation easement. Um theexisting pastures those pastures are not going to be um planted or treed, right?They are they are going to be utilized um as as equestrian training facilitiesas they are today. Um and that space that that continued sort of visual willcontinue. Um and then with the like sort of the the treed uh proposal that wehave put forward which includes a burm and trees but not as heavy as ascurrently proposed um for those properties that are sign substantiallycloser to the roadway >> which I think overall makes sensebecause they're closer to the roadway but you're doing that staggered approachof the burm and then the trees behind it. So you'll still have that ruralfeel. Um, but I think it also lends to being able to see those equestrian. Ifyou have too many trees, all of a sudden you've lost your view of, you know, theequestrians. I think that part makes sense.>> That was kind of the point. >> But>> yeah, if I, if I might, um, just kind of add here, I thinkgoing back to the vision that's established for the green belt, um,that's articulated in the comprehensive plan, it's really about setting a ruraledge and separation for Chesa as a community. Um and so it points towardsthese uh key entry points which one of them is Bavaria Road. Um and settingthat rural viewshed and wanting to have that clear um you know separation thatpreserves the city's um identity as a standalone community and that's you knowthat's the big driving factor behind this. So I think for council as you'rethinking through you know the guidance and you know what level that we'retrying to achieve here the reason that staff is recommending what we are um isto apply the policy to be consistent with the level also to be consistentwith the level of landscaping that was um anticipated in the in the conceptplan for Shaval that was originally approved. Um, but also thinking ahead,this is not the only area of Chaska that has yet to develop and establish thegreen belt in this location. I think the fort, you know, one of the benefits outof this project is that it does complete an an edge to the green belt and it doescomplete a key community entrance. Um, but since it does complete that, I thinkdoing it right um is important, whatever right means. Um, I think staff's got ourversion. Obviously, the developer is making a different has a differentperspective. Um, but the nature of the policy for the green belt is notnecessarily focused on the viewshed for the folks or the the users that liewithin it. It's really focused on the view shed for the entry.>> I think that's a really key point here is when when the city changed its itsplan out here, it was to say what is going to benefit the community, notwhat's going to benefit this individual homeowners that are within thatneighborhood. Not that they shouldn't have a great place to be, but the goalwasn't to say, "Okay, there's a horse stable that's outside. We want them tosee it." It was to say, "No, the community drives down Bavaria Road. Wewant to make sure that we keep that identity of Chaza, that it doesn't bleedinto uh another community like Victoria and that we uh that we have a communitybenefit uh that comes out of that, not just individual benefits that come outof the homeowners that can look out into the into the horse area.>> Yeah. And I feel like residents, not all of them, but I think that that's anasset to the residents of that space, too, right? like I get the worst thing.But >> I mean to feel like you're>> in a more rural setting. >> Yeah.>> I mean that's the setup. So >> umI guess it's like oneonone like I sided with you with the snow removal and thesidewalk situation, but I kind of hold true on the city here where um there's alot of great things about those houses in that space. And I feel likepreserving the community asset versus I like to see the horses. Again, I say Idon't say that lightly. It sounds like it's kind of funny, but it's true. Iwould side with that city piece. That's just kind of my perspective becauseagain, I think that is important. I also kind of think back I think about justthe intention of what this neighborhood was originally supposed to look like andthe originality of it was that there was going to be houses on both sides of thisroad. That view shed would have been >> changed then>> changed then and I know that the HOA of this culde-sac they went through andthey bought the outlots that kind of maybe preserved some of it. So they dohave some benefit in that, but then there was also an opportunity for thisto be developed. And that sometimes is kind of those realities, even though itcan be really hard, that what you're going to see out your backyard maychange as there is open developable land.And that's just sometimes those are just thosepainful realities for for the homeowners. Unfort>> I think that's well said. We've had a lot of development with conversationabout I was used to an open field. It's now houses. I'm used to>> and like you said >> open field and it's lighted ball fieldsand turf spaces, right? Like >> Yep.>> It's it's if it's not horses, it's going to be something else that people getused to. >> And that's not said to minimize that. Iunderstand the like the in the financial investment, the emotional investment,home ownership, and so I don't take that lightly. Um, but it is also kind ofthreading that needle of what are we going to be able to do to make thisviewscape look rural and beautiful because that's why they selected thatand why these future homeowners are, you know, going to select this neighborhoodas well. But I also think just as a whole, the aesthetic of the neighborhoodplan for the community is something that we have to be very mindful of what theiroriginality, what the intention was. >> But I think to tag team off that, wewe've got to be We've got to stick to what was originally planned becauseotherwise if one neighborhood says we want this view and then the next onesays oh I'm losing my view but that's not fair you did you know so back to allthe easements and everything else we've done you have to keep it fair and ifit's >> inequities >> well I I thank you for your time thisevening and I very much appreciate staff support of the project and we lookforward to bringing you a final plat very quickly>> thank you again >> appreciate you being here>> I did have. So, I just had a quick question. I don't think you're I thinkit's more of a staff question, so you're okay. I I wasn't going to let you runoff and then make you run back up. Um the conservation easement the So, thehorse farm is going to be there and it sounds like it's going to be occupied.So, there it will be someone will live there, right, as part of that?Or is that not I mean that was one thing I was kind of like that's a>> Are we talking about the old Redmond ranch that?>> No. Uh it's the >> the Steron the range. Oh, >> is that what it's called?>> So there mayor if I may uh currently they do uh Airbnb the existing home out.So it is being listed. I don't believe the intent is for the property owner toreside at that property, but >> but just continue to have it be arentable Airbnb space. >> Okay. Okay.>> I just was curious if there were going to be people on that property. Okay. >> Um does anybody have any other questionsfor for staff or for the applicant? Otherwise, I'd entertain a motion. We'vegot a few got a few of them. I got to get one in front of me.>> Would just point out the comp plan amendment requires a four fifths vote.>> Oh, thank you. >> It's a lot of pressure.>> You're really teeing it up over that was some spirited discussion.>> We just didn't know it. >> Okay. Well, all right. In that spirit,I'd still entertain uh entertain a motion. >> I'm trying to pull>> um my thing is like I'll make a motion to adopt>> resolution number 2025-46. >> Okay. I have a motion from councilmember Hatfield. >> Second.>> A second from council member Gra. Any discussion?Otherwise, all those in favor say I. >> I>> I opposed. Motion carries. The next is I think anor the adoption of ordinance number 1068.>> No need. >> I'll make a motion for resolution number2025-4. >> Oh, thank DPL 19th edition.>> Okay. So, I have a motion from council member Hatfield.>> Second. >> A second from council member Bennish.Any discussion? All those in favor say I. I opposed.>> Motion carries. >> Now you can have your ordinance.>> Now I would entertain a motion for ordinance number 1068.>> Motion to approve. >> Okay. So have a motion from um CouncilMember Chevlin. And I'll make a second. So second fromMayor Hubard. Uh uh any discussion? All those in favor say I.>> I. Opposed. >> Ordinance carries. All right.Motion passes. Moving on. >> Did it Did it meet your approval, Mr.Milk? >> He was smiling.>> Oh, good. Smiles. Okay. Well, that moves us alongin the agenda. Thank you for being here. >> Thank you. Thank you.>> All right. So, we got the bills. That's what's next. Does anybody have aquestion on a bill? >> I don't have a question, but I'm goingto take this opportunity to put uh someone on the spot to give me someinformation. >> Yeah, Mike.>> Um, no, it's good. It's good. So it regard it's regarding>> I like that. >> Yeah. Last time he shows up.>> I'm fully engaged. >> You're fully. Okay. You know, you shouldaim that at at at Nate over there because he is now fully engaged.>> All right. So, uh, wanted to just talk a little bit of it. It's regarding thecommunity giving of for Nick Mason's fund.>> Um, >> for what?>> For Dick Mason's fund donations. Oh. >> So, I just wanted to take theopportunity to ask and and make it public again just what that is, who Nickwas. >> Um, I was fortunate enough to to knowhim personally and work with him on the park board. And so, when I saw that, I II wanted to just take the shout out and I know you weren't prepared for that,but I'm sure you can talk about it or someone could talk about it, but justtalk a little bit about what the Nick Mason Fund is and and>> Yeah. So first of all, Nick Mason was an individual who was a reporter for theChaza Herald for some time. He actually he was a reporter in many differentnewspap like big newspapers across the country and they ended up moving to toChaza and and was a reporter here. At the same time he served on the parkboard uh and became very passionate about uh just our whole parks program,our community center, everything in the community. uh unfortunately he got illand passed away and boy I'd say that's probably about 10 years ago now uh thathe passed away and uh when he did pass away his wife created uh donated moneyto the city and sort of created seed money for the Nick Mason scholarshipwhich in essence allows uh uh people who aren't able to afford our recreationalprograms and services the opportunity to be able to have that scholarship pay forit. Uh, and what's been great about it is, you know, it started with the seedmoney, uh, that came in there, but it's been replenished by people donating tothis, uh, as well as, uh, dunk, >> the dunk tank, um, you know, differentfundraisers like that to be able to put dollars back into that fund. And thatfund is is really used, which is really great. Um, and, uh, just shows what kindof legacy he he left on for our programming. So,>> perfect. That's exactly what I wanted to just share with everyone because umyeah, it just jumped out to me and he was awesome to work with and and was,you know, you said it right, passionate for the details on>> I was going to say he was a super detailed man. I remember some of thosethose parkour meetings because just you get into the details and and you justand you need that. You need someone who just, you know, gets in on those detailswas great. But, you know, sometimes you're kind of like, can we can we getpast this? Right. But so I I appreciate that. Thank you for that conversation.>> That's a great question and or a great explanation.Mine wasn't so much a specific bill question, but I um Mount Pleasant was onhere and you know we do we we maintain that cemetery. My question was um kindof what's the schedule of maintenance like for bigger maintenance pieces ofMount Pleasant? because I I've had some constituents, you know, ask me like, youknow, the gate, you know, some of those bigger components like what's theschedule like on that? >> Uh I I don't have it right in front ofme now what exactly is, but typically especially like the gate out in frontthat gets a lot of snow spray uh coming off of Highway 41, which has salt andall that kind of stuff with it. So it is about every 10 years uh that we have togo in and we have to completely refinish it. That is the original gate. Uh sothat >> that dates way back. So it's>> that wasn't the cemetery of 41. >> So it's uh uh so it's a very old uhthings if you go some of the tombstones in the very first parts of the of thecemetery are definitely the pioneers of this area uh that were buried there. Souh we do that. Um, I've been asked before about if we ever jack uptombstones, things like that. That ends up being the responsibility of anyfamily members. Okay. Uh, but we take care of sort of more like theinfrastructure like the roads, the fencing.>> What about like the flowers and like memorial entities?>> Yeah. So, there's a schedule that those stay out. And I the thing I don't knowis I don't know if we actually go through the process of of cleaning thoseor if that's done by uh we contract out the mowing uh of that uh to to anoutside party. Um typically we try to leave memorials around uh as long aspossible and typically it's seasonal then when it when they're actuallyremoved. So things that just don't make it through the winter and those thosetypes of things. use that as an opportunity to to clean uh you knowthings that are around uh graves because people can put a lot of stuff around uhthat and every once in a while we'll get comments about that.>> Yeah. >> Yep. And that was kind of kind of inthat in that remedy or that line. So >> I know they did just go through and theyadded like row markers and benches and things that looked really nice. Itdoesn't seem like they take things off too often because like in my dad'sgrave, I know that we have like some stuff sitting there a long time that Iwent to clean his stone with some special cleaner and like removed all ofthat stuff. So, it does seem like um they don't they kind of leave it.>> Yeah, it's there there's a little history.>> I'm sure it depends on how much it's like>> history to that. There was there was one uh family in particular that uh this wasyears ago 25 26 years ago that got quite upset when we removed uh some stuff offof there. And so we've been we've been very judicious about not doing it unlessit really, you know, something that needs to be, you know, addressed.>> Sure. >> Okay.>> It it's a it's it's a sensitive topic. >> Absolutely. Well, absolutely,absolutely. And I also think too just the like geographically it's like, youknow, it's kind of hilly and and and the history of it. So, you know, I imaginethat's um >> a challenge to maintain. So,>> I would be interested in like the sidewalks and the road because I thinkthe road feel might have been done in the last several years or like at leastoverlaid. >> I think it was overlaid the same timethat they did the fence. Yeah, I think that was it. But the in the middle thosesidewalks I think are pretty rough. So, they might be talking about that. Butthe benches and the um like the markers and uh like the row markers and some ofthe signage looked really nice when they did that a couple years ago.>> I I'll find out specifics. So, >> okay. No, that's fine. It was justsomething that again at River City Days was asked and I didn't have a I didn'twrite it down, but when I saw it up on the bills, I thought, "Oh, yeah. I knowwhen I've been up into we go up by monthly up to the Adelwood neighborhoodand I know I've gotten that question. >> Yeah. And I think that some of theresidents that were that live in that neighborhood um were just curious and Ithink some of them even in kind of expressed like that they would bewilling to volunteer, but I I obviously don't want to put anybody up to that. Ijust didn't you know it was just more of like oh find out some more information.So >> yeah.>> Yeah. >> Okay.>> Awesome. Okay. Uh, anybody have any questions further? Otherwise, we'll do aroll call vote here. Oh, no. We need a motion, a second. Wow, I'm jumpingjumping off. >> Motion to pay the bills.>> Thank you. >> Second.>> Okay, we have a motion from Council Member Grant, a second from CouncilMember Chevlin. Uh, all those in or wait, roll call vote.>> Council member Hatfield, >> yes.>> Council member Banish, >> yes.>> Council member Chevlin, >> yes.>> Council member McGrath, >> I. Mayor Hover.>> I I I had it together and then I start falling apart about this point in timein the meeting. So bear with me people. Yeah, it's been a long day. Um okay,that brings us to other business. Um let's start with Council Member Grotoday. >> Sure. Uh I just used this really nicemagazine in front of me to jot down ideas that come to my mind. So sorrywhoever this pullman is on the front. Um just a couple of things. Just a shoutout to the Chesa Cubs. Good luck. states. They're qualifying. They gotfairly high. I think they're the number two overall seed if I understand how CDLworks on that bracket. Uh so good luck. They've had a really good year. I knowwe've talked about before. And so, uh the state tournament starts and I knowthere was some organ I don't have the details, but Facebook's great for that.There is opportunities to ride a bus to go to the game to cheer on the Cubs. Uhand let's hope they make along. >> I think it's in Gaylord, right?>> Yes. >> Yes. Yep.>> Yep. So, >> so>> yeah, Sunday >> uh on that theme same theme uh sportstheme also want to recognize well actually I will just say school themerecognize that a lot of uh extracurricular activities started thisweek with sports and everything like that>> um and arts as well and I I think it's I don't take this for granted just becauseI clearly if people watch any of this they realize I'm a passionate sportsindividual in general and an inspiring arts person but I was not veryartistically inclined Um, but when you talk about the best small town inMinnesota and you talk about community, you can't ignore the the fact thatsports and arts for the school system builds that, right? So, that's why I Idon't take that for granted and just good luck and wish those teams well andthose arts well as those go well. Um and because we will not have another meetingbefore school starts uh to remind individuals to slow down onroads. >> Yes,>> buses will be new traffic will be out, new traffic patterns, kids getting usedto those. Um so wishing all those families a successful start to theirschool year. Uh a shout out to all administration and staff and teachers.You are awesome. Uh we could not have communities without you. Uh, so just a athankful. I know they're exciting. I, you know, I know a few teachers who are,you know, back in their school or in their classrooms this week. So,appreciate that. And then lastly, a shout out to my oldest son who onSaturday will become a teenager. >> Uh, which is a little You talk aboutfeeling old. Uh, there it was. Right. So, happy birthday, Elijah. On Saturday,birthday. >> Wow. 13. That's crazy.And that is all I have, man. >> Wow, that's crazy.>> You're telling me. >> I can't even believe that.>> Wow. Okay. All right. You just blew my mind. Okay, moving on. All right,Council Member Chevlin. >> Um, so I wanted to remind you that youcan take the bus to the fair and to the Renaissance. It started and I have seenat least at East Creek a lot of traffic coming in and out of there. So that'sexciting that people are using it. Um, and you pay for one and you can go toboth. So, if you have an interest in both, feel free to take up the publictransit option. Um, again, on your uh back, the school is starting. So, goodluck to all of the school kids. Um, I always have to add for the privateschool kids, we don't necessarily see as much about you, but we're excited foreverything you're going to do this year. And I know um there are 11 Chazakindergarters going to St. Hubert's this fall. So, that is a huge class fromChesk and very exciting to see all those guys coming. Um, and then last but notleast, if you are driving down 41, please, please, please slow down alittle bit. There is a lot of traffic that thinks because there's no trafficcoming, stop lightss don't matter. And there's been a a big problem with carsgoing fast. So, for those that do use 41 as an access out to the rest of theworld or for school kids that aren't going to start using it to get intoschool, just make sure you're slowing down because the stop lightss right nowdon't mean much, but they're um they're there for a reason.>> Those are all very, very valid points. Awesome. All right. All right, CouncilMember Benes, this is going right on down the line.>> Yeah. Uh, I want to echo all those comments, especially with schoolstarting. Everybody, just be mindful, especially with new drivers out there,too, driving to school for the first times. Um, let's just be aware of that.Uh, Chaza Cubs, that's awesome. I'm excited to see how far they go. Uh, goodluck to all the Chesa sports teams as well. Um, and lastly, I saw a post uhnot too long ago, this week, that Patron will be reopening sometime soon. Wedon't know when, I don't think, but uh good luck to them and hopefully thingshave improved for them and they're excited to reopen. So, looking forwardto that. That's all I got. >> Great. Awesome. All right. All right.Council me. >> Yeah.>> Um first I want to say congrats to the city of Carver for winning the 199Battle of the Cities. I don't even know if it really had a title, but um theygot a nice big donation in there and the food. I thought the bountiful basket putit well that the real winners were all the families that are being helpedbecause the numbers are crazy. Um, so night to night 5,567pounds of food and $18,25941 were donated to Bonaful Basket from thefour cities. So that's incredible and will go a long ways to um people thatneed it. So that's incredible and I'm not salty that we didn't win.Um, but >> we just we have we're going to have abetter plan next year. I I see a kind of game that's been put down and that'sfine. >> Go Chesa by neighborhood versus theother cities were pulled into one. All neighborhoods.>> No, we did we did all pool into one for Chaza, but then we then we did break itdown for the for the not the pizza party, the Jersey Mike's party.>> Do we know what neighborhood won from Chaza?>> Did Wood again? >> Again?>> I was going to say I don't know. I didn't get informed that I got informedthe stats that you had announced. >> Sorry.>> No, you're good. No, you I didn't have them written down, so that's great.>> But, uh, so yeah, congrats to Carver and, you know, amazing. Um, we lovehaving Bon Basket in our community and the fact that they can serve so manywith those donations. And thank you to, it sounds like it was Sarah um, from thefire department and Chanhassen, I can't remember the G's name from theChanhassen Fire Department that kind of had the idea. Um, so thank you to themfor having the idea because it's great and those are the kind of ideas. That'swhat I like love about our city staff where they think of things and theymention things and then we can actually do them and look at all the good thatwas done. >> Well, and I think it's great that allfour cities were on board to do it and and you know Yeah. And in it>> and it's probably a tradition now so that'll continue.>> Well, let's hope so. >> Yeah, I bet it will. And it's actuallygoing to expand because there's some other organizations within our like citylimits that are that was a great idea. I want to take part.>> And then some events coming up. Coffee with a Cop is this Wednesday at 9:00a.m. at Jones Coffee, which I think it's the first one at Jones Coffee. So, Ithink that's pretty exciting. I could be wrong, but I think it is. Um, so you cango have some coffee with the cops down there on Wednesday. Um, that's alwaysgood time. And then Latin music and food fest is coming up September 12th atFireman's Park 6 to 10. That's always such good food.>> Fabulous. >> Favorite night of the year to go eat atFireman's Park for sure. Um and then Chaska Cares is September 20th. So lotsto do in September. Um really good lineup of music after our last meetingwhere Matt mentioned um you know the headliner and all the other bands. Iwent and looked them all up on social media and really good music. So, um Ithink that it'll both be great nights. Um yeah.>> Is there fireworks with the Latin music? >> There is a Latin music.>> So, that's even better cuz they're early because it gets dark early. So, it's>> not the cares one. >> Yeah. Okay. Fireworks. I didn't realizethat. So, that's awesome. Um and then, uh the last thing is a pretty bigannouncement that I've been waiting six and a half years for.The city of Shaska now has a Tik Tok >> and it's amazing.>> I was like, where are we going? I thought you were gonna say we're gonnahave a meeting here. >> Oh, what?>> We have a Tik Tok account. There is a video on it. I was the first comment andthe first like. Um, it's really such an honor to get to be a part of this timewhen this happened in our city. So, >> I actually I never look at Tik Tok and Iactually happen to see that for some reason. I'm like>> I had the feel like we have Tik Tok. So, how'd you see it? If you don't have it,>> I Well, I have Tik Tok, but I never looked it.>> Oh, >> oh.>> So, if you've been around for any amount of time, you know, that's been somethingI've been chasing after for us. And thank you to Christa and communicationsteam that made that happen. So, >> and then I will be missing the nextmeeting. That's all I had. >> Oh,>> who's putting the content on the TikTok? I mean, like, is it driven by the city?>> Communication. So, Christa. >> That's cool.>> Yeah. Yeah, I'm still not downloading thatapp, but congratulations. >> You do a good job. Like you think I donot have Tik Tok either, but the video I'm thinking of was a touch a truck.It's like you could touch it. Like just >> Yeah, the audio was really funny.>> No horns, right? Trucks, trucks, trucks. I was just like,ah gosh, this is good stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah, you do see some reallyinteresting ones even from different cities to kind of like, well, that'sit's very interesting. So, lots of fun things to be had. Some of my favoriteTik Toks and or reals or whatever videos on social media are from um>> Victoria had one where they were trying to announce something and some of waterover somebody's head. >> Savage is always funny. Shock has theirrare moments. Yeah. >> Yeah.>> But don't worry, we're here to the game now. The best things take a little timeand >> Yeah. We just now we're here.>> Yeah. Best players come off the bench to clean up. So>> awesome. All right. Great report. All right, Elise, do you got anything? So,speaking of our stellar communications staff, in addition to developing TikToks, >> um they are in the final moments ofrolling out the Chesca today, >> which is the new newsletter that will goto >> It's the new old news.>> Is that what the ST like is that at the top of it? Like,>> am I the only one here that remembers when we did Chesca today?>> I used to be the insert into the Chesa Hero. We did discover that you and oneother Matt were the only ones here for the>> Yeah. Sorry, Matt. >> You might be dating, you know, rightthere. >> So, that used to like that was like ourcity newsletter for years. >> 20 years.>> I really couldn't read yet. >> Oh,[Laughter] definitely weren't paying that bill atthat time. >> Sorry, Matt.>> And that is >> very cool.>> That is exciting. That is something that we've been asking for. So, it's reallyfun to see it >> come>> to realization. >> It should be hitting households in thenext couple weeks. >> Okay. So, it's like its own littlemailing. >> I bet you somebody when they're gettinglook the chess today came back. >> That's our next Tik Tok video is youopening up your mailbox and saying the you know the new old new newsletter.>> That's a really good >> angel. Let's just have him like sitthere waiting in his mailbox and just gets old.>> Or you know what? If you have old ones, you can be like in a scrapbook and belike, I really wish >> I actually had some of those.>> We could go one of him. He's looking at the old one. Oh my god, I'm 20 yearsolder and it's still every other month. >> Every other month.>> That's great. Great. Well, I'm excited because>> my mother lives in a different community and I see their newsletter and so I amgreat. I'm going to show mine with pride. So,>> I got a sneak peek from Christa last week and it looks fantastic.>> Awesome. >> I'm excited.>> Really exciting. >> I'll be have>> professional writers creating these mats.>> Oh, yeah. >> I'll be taking a trip to>> just fine. >> We're just late to this game, too, butwe're going to be better. >> Well, I'm going to take a trip to themailbox every single day until it shows up.>> Hopefully, you do that anyway. But >> awesome.>> That's all I have. >> Oh, well, that's a good report,>> Nate. I don't have anything, but I've enjoyed>> now that you're re-engaged to everything you can>> because you're so engaged right now. >> Moving moving right along. Mike gotanything? >> I do not have anything.>> Oh, he's like, "Why did I have to fun fact?" I was also an avid Tik Tok user,but also deleted the app. >> Did you? Okay. I only put it on my phoneonce just to watch one of her videos and then I dumped it afterwards.>> Got in trouble. No, I think there is a plausiblechance that China is >> here we go.[Laughter] >> What's your conspiracy theory?>> You got your tin hat. >> Misrevealed himself as a conspiracytheory. >> That was the best part of this whole>> like council confessionals here or something. I don't know. All right.Well, that that Mike, that's a great report, though. So,>> yeah, there you go, Matt. >> Uh, just a reminder that uh it isSeptember 8th that we'll meet, not September 1st.>> You're stealing my thunder. >> Okay. Well, just we don't want all showup on the wrong day. So, >> technically, you weren't.>> We will have a work session beforehand. Uh, we're gonna, you know, we have toset the maximum tax levy in September. And so we already talked about sort ofthe revenue side. This is going to be a focus more on the expenditure side ofthe general fund budget >> and that's 545 or 530. I'm not going totext you next time because I'm going to actually know this.>> Uh I I think we could probably do 545. >> Okay, that sounds good.>> All right, >> that sounds exciting.>> You don't have to leave work early. >> That's all.>> It's very important. All right. Well, that's a good report, too. Um, well, Iwas going to start off with we don't have a meeting on the 1, but no. Um,yep, we're meeting on the 8th. Uh, Labor Day. I hope everyone has a healthy andsafe Labor Day. Um, and, uh, we talked about back to school.I think we covered that really well. Just the change of schedules and justmaking sure that everyone is bus stop aware.um and wishing those kids a really fun and successful school year and teachersas well. Uh a couple things just recap. Touch a truck. I don't know if anybodywas able to go take a venture around, but I went and took a peek just becauseit was over in the Ches Commons this year. And I know that I think Park andFirst of all, big thank you to Park and Rex. They did a fantastic job organizingthe event. they pivoted really well because we um normally would have it atthe Chesca Community Center parking lot. Um that road construction kind of saidthat that was not really feasible and then the there was resurfacing happeningin the high school parking lot which was where it was last year and so they hadto pivot and then like you said Matt I think last meeting was that you kind ofhad a conversation with some of the business owners and that they wouldreally love to have some engagement in that area too which is great. And so Ijust want to say a really deep appreciation to the planning because Iknow it's a new space, new logistics that takes a lot of prep work. And thenyou have other agencies involved like I know I saw I think Mindot had a plowthere and some other like Southwest Transit had a bus there. So there's someother folks that joined up along with all the other community organizationsthat had booths there that did outreach and engagement with people. And thenalso just thank you to the businesses. I know some of them gave up their parkingand I know like some of the businesses um you know participated in it but Ialso know some of them were a little like the just the the masses were greatbut it was also some people were just going to go to the grocery store and itwas like what's going on and so you know just a little bit of a mix and flow. Soit all worked really good. It was really well attended and everyone had a greattime and I saw several people come up to um city staff and just say that theyreally enjoyed it being at that venue. Um, I know I'm sure Mary Mont Teethprobably feels a little different directing the traffic as that, but um,but it was really great to see that happen and just see it be verywellreceived. So, great job untouch a truck. Um,night toite. We kind of recaped that already. So, it was really nice toventure out to some of the neighborhood parties and see just folks gatheringtogether and having a good time. The weather was great. Uh so that's alwayssuch a a great event for the year and then yeah great for the food shelfraising all the funds and the food for the community. Uhwe talked about the Chesa Cubs but I also today um was able to go to theribbon cutting for DBAT. It's one of the um businesses that you know came throughand opened. And I think they opened in the spring, but I think they they werewaiting on some of their equipment and so they did their ribbon cutting today.So, it was really fun to be in that space and kind of see that kind ofrealized. And um it's just going to be a great space for youth or adults to bein. I think their concept is really is centered around community and just, youknow, being inclusive and creating a space for people to come and um learn anew skill, improve a skill. Uh, so they just appreciate them investing in thecommunity and just want to wish them the best of luck um, being up there. So Ithink it'll be great. >> If I could add, I thought I will say itwas super cool and um, nice of them. So when they in that process of waiting forequipment because they had some backlog issues and Yep.>> shipping, >> they really opened the doors to bothsoftball and baseball associations and there were practices because>> rains shocker in Minnesota. um which was really kindof a good partnership and I can already see some of that. Obviously they have aa business model that helps support that right too. So there's positives but itwas just nice because you know a lot of those early practices we don't needgroups don't need pitch machines they just need space to throw a ball andeverything like that. So, they quickly reached out and pivoted and and youknow, the few times I've been in there, it's it's a busy place.>> Yeah. >> Um, you know, they're they bring ininstructors. I think actually tomorrow they have an instructor that's been um>> uh did some work with some really good teams in SEC, which is kind of abaseball powerhouse conference. Um so, yeah, just, you know, really good goodpartnership. I think they'll be a really strong asset.>> Yeah, they talked about just being really embraced and welcomed into thecommunity and they said that we had a really strong baseball softballcommunity. So, they knew that this is where they wanted to make thatinvestment and it's already been, you know, paying off for them. And I also>> they're just located over by um off of Ingler and uh Oh, I never remember that.>> Yeah. Clover Drive. It's kind of >> Swagger Lock by Swagger Lock.>> Yep. Swag Lock. Yep. Opped. Well, she probably doesn't know Oppen, but yeah.So, um over in that area. Um, and then one of their machines is kind of atleast one of them is kind of like a golf ball simulator where it's got a screenand when you hit the ball it will show you kind of where it would have gone onthe diamond or out on the field. So, it's it's really neat.>> Um, yeah, really cool. Great space. Congrats to them.>> Also want to just pay mention to our electric director, Pete Wiffles. I Hislast day is Friday. I'm so sad. Um, but I know that he was making a career pivotthat was really going to be good for him and his family. And so I appreciate allthe hard work Pete, you have done. I know that you helped us roll out theAMI, the the meters and I know that's a it was a huge undertaking and just beinga part of the team and we're going to miss you tons, but understand andrespect those um those goals. So >> yeah, it was huge too with we've seen somuch transition with so many people in our electric department that haveretired that have been there for years and years and years. So he was sort ofat came into a department at a real, you know, pivotal point where he needed tobuild a new team >> and he did a great job with that. Soyeah, I I agree. He did a great job. He he's going down to Marshall where he canbe with his grandkids and yeah, his daughters and so so I really wish himthe best of luck. I think this you know he's he said but for this job being inthat town he would have stayed here and yeah so>> no he is a class act. I will we will miss him. Um but yeah have deep respectand and um appreciation for him and what you know I get the goals. So,uh, just and then one other thing just before we cut loose. Metro Cities has acouple of what do you what what do they call task force? I don't know what theirofficial committes committees. >> Um, I'm on the transportation one. Iknow I think you can maybe sneak on one. So, I don't know if if especiallywelcoming I don't know if you guys have seen the emails, but just they do likeone on housing. um sometimes that's a really great way of like learning kindof things that are bigger in scope and kind of having an impact. So if you guyshave any questions, reach out to city staff. I'm sure they can help answerthose questions. Um, and I'm sure it's not too late because I think that theyvalue the input from our community into the broader legislative priorities that,you know, we have and that makes a big difference especially, I think, inregards to housing and some of the legislation that's come forward in thelast couple of years and just some of the proposals that will probably come upthis session. Um, I just think that having another representative voice onthere could be really helpful. So if if anybody can swing the time,it's and it's on Zoom this year. So there's there's a few Zoom meetings.It's not it's not a giant commitment because there's like two more meetings.So anyways, so if you want to do it, act fast. But let's put it out there.Okay, with that, that's everything I have. Um I'd entertain a motion toadjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn.>> All right. Motion from Council Member Hatfield.>> Second. >> And second from Council Member Benes.Uh, all those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed.>> We're ajourned. Thank