Mhm. >> Uh Lucy, please call roll. Councilmember Hatfield. >> Here. Councilmember Banash. >> Here. >> Councilmember Shevlin. >> Here. >> Councilmember Grass. >> Here. >> Mayor Hubbard. >> Here. >> All right, that moves us along to adoption of the agenda. Does anybody have any changes or corrections? >> Um I just wanted to see if we wanted to move uh action item E and make it action item A since we have um members that applied in the audience they don't have to sit through everything else. >> Is that Is that something that Does this a public hearing has to come before that or is that something that we can do? >> We'll talk about >> Okay. All right. So, we have a a motion to move 8E up to to up above 8A. Um do I have a second? >> Second. >> All right, the second by So, motion from council member Hatfield, second from council member Benish. Um any other discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Opposed? All right, motion carries. >> I would suggest that the item that I am here for that we move to the very end. >> Whatever. I don't know. I should have had you sing the national anthem, I guess. Um any other any other discussion on our changes on the agenda. Otherwise, I would entertain a motion to approve the amended agenda, right? Yes. >> Motion to approve the amended agenda. >> All right, so a motion from council member Shevlin. >> Second. >> And a second from council member Gra. Any other discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Opposed? All right, motion carries. All right, agenda has been approved and that moves us along to visitor presentations. Um Visitor presentations for anything that's not on a council agenda item tonight. Does anybody in the audience have want to come up and speak to anything that's not on the agenda? I do see somebody maybe in a uniform in the very back. Are we here to attend the meeting as part of a project at all? So, we love to just gently put those folks on the spot. Come on up here, sir, and introduce yourself and tell us what troop you're with. You picked a fun one tonight. Oh, right up here. You got it. >> Um I'm Sam Sevilla and I'm part of troop 174. Um just coming here for a merit badge. >> All right, wonderful. Um and what rank level are you at with troop 174? >> Uh first class. >> Okay, all right. Um and what is your favorite thing about being in the scouts? >> Um probably just do doing activities with friends. >> Okay. All right. I know this is highly embarrassing, so I really appreciate you coming down. I think your mom is getting most enjoyment out of this, but um thank you for coming. Hopefully you learn some things. Happy We're always happy to answer any questions that you have from this. It's kind of a a wonderful learning experience, so thank you for coming. >> Okay, thank you. >> All right, does anybody else in the audience like to come down and tell me anything? All right, well that and that moves us right along off of visitor presentation to approve all the previous meeting minutes. These meeting minutes were from June 1st, 2026. I'll entertain a motion for approval unless anybody has any corrections or additions. >> Motion to approve previous meeting minutes. >> All right, we have a motion from council member Bennish. >> Second. >> A second from council member Shevlin. Any other discussion? All right. Um approval signified by saying I. I. Opposed? All right, motion carries. All right, minutes are approved. All right, that moves us along to consent items. We have a lot of them tonight. Does anybody have any um and consent items are things that receive little to no discussion, although something can certainly be pulled off consent for a lot larger discussion. Does anybody have any questions or anything they'd like to talk about on the consent? >> I was just going to always take the opportunity when we're appointing election judges to thank election judges for what they do, um because they really that's such an important role and I'm always just so glad that people step up to take it and it's a long day, um but they get it done and allow us all to uh vote and that's really amazing. So that and then also there's a lot of exciting things in this consent agenda. So, of course the architect for the library and then um welcoming Riverbend Cellars and Spirits to downtown. There's all sorts of really exciting things in here. So, >> Yeah. >> those are just my quick comments. >> Yeah, I happened to see um Kendra Olson in the yesterday and talked about just the hard work that staff does to make the elections happen. So, um it is exciting to see that uh beyond the agenda to make. So, Um I did have a couple of things uh talking about action item G, uh the water treatment plant. I was asking um Matt earlier today about the bidding process. I don't know if you want to speak a little bit more to that. >> Yeah, so uh when we went out to bid, our estimates were probably about the 15 and and a half million dollar range. Our what we got uh for low bid was about 17 million dollars. Uh it was higher uh than what our estimates were, but was within the parameters that we had set for the financing. Um uh so we uh do feel good that we can support that um uh that level of debt. The one thing sometimes we'll give some consideration to saying should we uh scrap the bids and go out to rebid. Um we did a lot of look at that and it became very clear to us that the 17 million dollar bid uh was a very good value. Um if you look at sort of where the rest of the bids fell uh in the mix, they were really in sort of that 19 and a half million dollar uh range and there was a slew of them. And >> [clears throat] >> I'm confident uh given sort of where we're at with being able to get supplies and contractors, uh that what we saw is going to be the lowest we see and that if we went out for bid, it's much more likely that we're going to be grouped into sort of that 19 to 19 and 1/2 million dollars as opposed to the the 17 million that we have. So, while we would have liked to have seen it be less, I do think we're getting the best value that we can get for that. And we have not worked with this contractor before. They are out of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, but Stantec has and has said that that they do a good job. >> Yeah. No, I mean it is kind of that follow-up and it's nice to see staff be able to evaluate and kind of weigh out all the options and come up with, you know, the best course of moving forward. >> We had actually hoped to bring this back at the last meeting, but really felt that we needed to go through and look at a bunch of stuff before we did that. >> Sure. No. So, I just wanted to make sure we kind of touched on that. And then kind of in the same spirit with just looking at I don't know if I don't have the one the 07i. Just the awarding of the City Hall Plaza Improvement Project. I asked Matt like compared to estimates where it came in budgetarily. >> Yeah, so our estimate was 3 and 1/2 million. It came out at 3.6 million. So, it came really close to to the estimates. We actually were starting to feel like it was going to be closer to 4 million and we're even looking at were we going to have to take certain pieces out to be able to make it work within the budget. So, what you see is an all-in price. So, it includes all the alternates that we put in there, everything that we designed as a base bid and only came in $100,000 over what our estimate was. So, we felt really good about where they came in. >> And they heated walkways? >> Yes. Yeah, it includes everything that we had in the plans. Yeah. So, and and I think just as a reminder to people, so this this is a piece of our building improvement program. So, it's a piece of our city hall program, which is actually the last piece of the the puzzle. Um but we have recognized over the last two winters especially, we've had people fall and get pretty significantly hurt. Uh that uh we need to do this sooner than later and so, you know, it still falls into our overall program. It's just that we're expediting just the the plaza portion of it to make sure that we get that done. >> Yeah, I mean, that was something that I wanted to make sure to note that this was part of the building improvement program all along that we're just fast-tracking that. And I really appreciate some of the residents that I had spoke with in that they had kind of really pressed me to say, "Why are you waiting on this? Why can't you do this now?" And then having those discussions with city staff and having you guys be able to listen and really create a solution moving forward that creates not only a safer plaza for all of our residents that are coming to and from this area, but also uh programmable plaza that's going to help, you know, activate this area of downtown, which has just been the end goal and kind of part of the agenda with the appointment from the downtown task force here. >> it's part of our Paseo network that will be on the west side of the road. >> Yep. So, I I just want to take time to just appreciate that you guys kind of like really listened and kind of and it's really easy to stick to what we thought was the plan, but really kind of be able to move things around and shift things around to make it happen faster. So. All right. Anybody have anything else they want to discuss on regards to consent? Otherwise, I would entertain a motion for um approval. >> So moved. >> All right, we have a motion from Council Member Hatfield. >> Second. >> And a second from Council Member Corral. Any other discussion? Otherwise, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? All right. Consent approved. All right, that moves us along to our action items. We have a few of them. So, we are going to jump forward and do AE up to I don't know what comes before A. >> [laughter] >> But, the downtown master plan task force appointments. So, I don't know who's Am I just taking it on right from there or >> [laughter] >> I mean, I can get right into it, but >> I'll set it up. Um so, uh the item in front of you tonight is uh to fill So, we're doing a downtown master plan refresh. So, we it's been since 2012 since we did our last downtown master plan. Uh we had that sort of set up as a checklist of things that we needed to do, and a lot of it was focused around infrastructure improvements within the downtown. And so, you you look at uh you know, part of what we talked about was reconstructing every street in downtown. So, we've just about completed that. Uh reconstructing 41 to be safer as it goes through downtown and making it more pedestrian oriented. That's something that's been completed. Redeveloping Fireman's Park. Uh we're getting closer and closer to City Square West is one. The Landing redevelopment. A lot of those things that we identified in that first plan have been stuff that we've gotten to. Now, it's saying, "Okay, now that we have the infrastructure in place, how do we start to take that next step and create a refresh of the downtown master plan to talk about what are those things that we're going to do over the next 10 years uh from a strategic perspective to really activate those areas and and infrastructure that we've created?" So, uh we advertised uh for positions. Uh we've talked about having uh some downtown resident representation and also some uh people outside of downtown as representation. So, tonight we went through interviews before this. Uh interviewed uh Uh, eight people, I think it was, uh that uh we went through an interview tonight and then really the goal would be to fill these citizen representative positions. The rest of the positions on the task force have been filled already and the first meeting kicks off right away next Monday, the 22nd. So we're planning kicking this off right away and would like to be done in that March time frame, so sometime next spring. >> Yeah, wonderful. So yeah, as you spoke we did interview eight folks and I just want to take the time before we go ahead and announce the appointments that I really appreciate every single person that filled out an application and took the time to show initiative. I know we have both the downtown task force but also the library task force. So I just I want to take the take a moment to just say I have a sincere appreciation for folks that you know, take the time that they want to give up their free time to volunteer and and put forward their ideas and and they care about Chaska as much as we care about Chaska up here and also the folks that came through tonight and interviewed and asked answered all those rapid fire questions. It's it's wonderful to see so much interest in our community and it was a really tough decision. We deliberated hard and so the announcements for the appointments and I apologize in advance if I get anybody's name pronounced incorrectly. I should have been asking people's pronouncements of their last names as they were coming through and I did not did not think about that ahead of time but we have Michael Dembinski. Okay, got a thumbs up in the back row there so I'm I did that one right. Sarah Amundson and Mindy Bomolski Bomolski Bomolski. Bomolski. I like kind of sounded these out. Apologize, Mindy. Uh Jessica Wilson, and then Jane Hayduk. So, those are our uh downtown master plan task force members. And um Sue South will reach out uh with the details that Matt had just elaborated on, but uh thank you again to everybody who came forward and took time and effort today to to interview in front of us. So, um so, with that I think I need a motion for accepting these downtown master plan task force members. So, I >> I don't know if it's important to call out the which ones are downtown since we >> Oh, I didn't not I didn't think about it. >> I think specifically um Michael and Sarah will be representing the downtown members, and then the other three um Mindy, Jean, and Jessica will represent the at large. >> Yes. Yes. Great great point of observation. So, and with that I would entertain a motion for approval. >> So moved. >> All right. So, a motion from Council Member Hatfield. >> Second. >> And a second from Council Member Benish. Any other discussion? All right. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? All right. Motion approved. All right. Thank you. Look forward to seeing that get started. Okay. So, then that moves us down to uh 8A or 8A, uh which is a public hearing, assessments for the 2026 downtown street reconstruction project. >> So, Mayor and Council members, the item in front of you tonight, uh this just relates to something I was just talking about that we almost completed uh reconstruction of all of our downtown streets. Uh this is uh one smaller section that we have not. It's only a two-block section, uh but it does uh it it's a little bit more complicated because it has a bridge uh in it, which is one of the reasons that we hadn't done it yet. Um as we were coming up coming up with a solution for it, we've gone through and you guys have seen the improvement hearing just to sort of see what type of improvements that we will be making. But we have Alex here that's going to be going through a presentation to talk about the project and then talk about what's being proposed for the assessments. I should mention with the assessments we've remained consistent across the entire downtown. So like I said, almost every street in downtown with the exception of I think like four now have been reconstructed and we've had the exact same assessment for each residential properties throughout the downtown. So we've just stayed consistent with that. As we get into future reconstruction projects we're probably going to have to revisit that because you know, we started this 15 years ago and inflation you know, it goes up and stuff. But we've been really making sure that we keep things consistent in this area because everybody had their street redone. So with that being said, I'll turn over to Alex. >> All right. Good evening mayor members of council. So tonight we've got the 2026 downtown street reconstruction assessment hearing. The map before you shows streets that were completed in gray. Streets that have yet to be done in yellow and then the area we're discussing tonight is in red which is Elm Street and Third Street over on the northwest cornerish of downtown. Here's another view of the project area with north to the right. So the bus garage is to the right. Showing the streets that would be reconstructed with utilities replaced as well in orange. The Third Street bridge shown there in red is the one we would remove and replace with a concrete pipe to carry drainage. Um the longer stretches of yellow are an existing drainage channel, makes this project a little unique that we are working with land owners to um fill and actually replace with an underground pipe as well. Um the Hickory Street bridge is just shown cuz it was one that was analyzed during the feasibility study, but it's in fine condition. So, nothing would happen with that one at this time. So, here's a breakdown of project costs uh total of 2,733,000 made up of street improvements, storm sewer improvements, water main line, water services to the homes, sanitary main and sanitary services, and then that bridge and channel improvement that I mentioned earlier. Moving on to the assessment portion, so this map here shows which properties are um proposed to have a uh an assessment levied against them. You'll notice a city of Chaska parcel, and then I believe it's nine residential parcels. Those that are next to the blue streets under construction but don't have an assessment were previously assessed with the prior project. So, in terms of a schedule, we've kind of made our way through a couple other dates shown here. We're at the public assessment hearing, and um we would be looking to accept bids on the project and award it sometime in um June or July with construction on the back half of this year. That's all I've got for you. >> All right. Wonderful. Thank you. Um does anybody have any questions for staff? I know just to kind of mention that we've seen this presentation a few times. Um as we've identified [clears throat] the next street to reconstruct, and then also walked through the process of hearing how the uh neighborhood engagement has gone and kind of you know, determining what was the best path of moving forward with your feasibility study of things. So, I think um if nobody, and I'm not seeing anybody really jumping on the microphone here, has any questions for staff, we have public hearing, so let's go ahead and um open up the public hearing at 7:24 uh p.m. Is anybody here wanting to come up and speak to this item? All right. Seeing that there are no people coming forward to speak to this item, I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing at 7:25 um and then move forward. So, what's being asked of us is a motion to adopt resolution number 2026-53, adopting the assessment role for the 2026 street reconstruction project. Um entertained. Yes, thank you. Okay. So, we have a motion from Council member Shevlin. >> Second. >> A second from Council member Hatfield. Any discussion? I think again, just important to note that all the neighbors that are being assessed have been in communication with city staff and have known to expect this. So, I just want to make sure to kind of make sure to point that out. Um all right. >> In fact, one step further, they probably pushed us more to to to do it, which is fair. It's the one It's It's other than the stuff around the city square west block, it's the only thing that we hadn't done yet. And so, I do think it was entirely, you know, fair that it is time to do this street. >> Yeah, one of the residents about last year about this time kind of said, "Okay, like when is this going to happen?" And so, um thanks for staff for getting the ball rolling to kind of see and again assessing sussing out the feasibility of the right path forward and kind of making that plan. So, all right. Well, we have a motion in a second and we've had some discussion. Um Uh um motion to approve, all I say I. Sorry, I lost my train of thought and all that. All right, so we have a motion in a second. Um Those in approval say I. >> I. >> Opposed? Motion approved. All right, that moves the sign to 8 B. Um motion to approve entering into a letter of intent with Community Asset Foundation for the development of the Inn on Stoughton Avenue. >> Mayor and councilmembers, item in front of you tonight is uh a project that you guys have heard about before, the Inn. Uh so, this would be uh a project to work with the Beyond Beyond New Beginnings uh program, which is a program that uh has been in Chaska for probably about 5 years, 6 years. Uh we've had Beyond New Beginnings as a program at the co-op uh for ages, probably 20 years, 25 years, maybe longer, uh which really sort of helps uh uh uh young mothers who have not completed high school the opportunity to be able to finish school and then try to go on and get uh additional education. What Beyond New Beginnings has done is it's taken it sort of the next step in saying, "Well, some of these people do not have housing." And they uh need a place for them and their their children to to stay while they finish up uh schooling and then get the support to to help finish up that schooling. So, uh there was one project that was done uh, down in the old Mix Company uh, building which is down at the northeast corner or quadrant of 2nd Street and Walnut Street about 5 years ago uh, which I believe has four uh, units there inside of inside of it and and it's been working very successfully for the participants and and those for the co-op. Uh, and then uh, they're looking at uh, saying we really need to have additional housing units because we have the demand to do that. So, where you guys last saw this the Inn was going through the planning process to look at a lot up on Yellow Brick Road uh, that was sort of halfway up Yellow Brick Road uh, sort of across the street from from some patio homes that were located there. Uh, while the intent was to move forward on that lot they did soils uh, uh, testing on that and found that it was cost prohibitive for them to be able to do the things that they'd need to do to make that lot work. So, they would have had to do helical piers and things like that to get to really basically hold the the housing structure on there. At that point they had talked to us about whether we had any other ideas for places that could be looked at. One that immediately immediately came to our mind was the fact that we have been working for for several months with the Worm Household that's at St. John's Church to look for a new location to move that house and then put it into our land trust or put it in the CDA's land trust program. And and we did the soils examination and everything you know, works to to allow the house to go there. But then the discussion sort of revolved around, well, what if the end was to take the worm house and then and then an additional two units on property that we acquired from or we were provided from United Crystal Sugar where the railroad track used to cross Stout and Avenue. They own the property that was on the north side of Stout and Avenue and really wanted to dispose of it cuz they didn't really have any use for it anymore. And so we actually took possession of that a year and a half ago. Something like that. And so, you know, we looked at, you know, maybe this is an option to look at that. And so what you're seeing in front of you tonight is really sort of a first step in that process is is to say, is this a feasible option to move forward with? It still would have to go through the planning process and all those types of things. But, you know, we don't want to send somebody down a road if people have major concerns about it and uh and make sure that people are at least shaking their head in the same direction before going through that process. So, the what you're seeing in front of you tonight is a letter of intent that would sort of outline sort of the basic structure of what a a deal could look like to be able to move a project there and you know, sort of the process that that we'd have to go through. I do know there's somebody here from the applicant. Bob Brekke is here from Kennedy Asset Foundation who just like in the past one is looking at helping the group put this together and I think eventually their intent would be to actually have these go into the land trust through the CDA to to manage those but that's something that Bob can certainly talk more to if you have any questions but you know with that being said I can certainly answer any questions but again [clears throat] this is really sort of a first step letter of intent to say is this a direction that we want to move. >> [clears throat] >> Sure. Thank you. I'll have some questions. >> [clears throat] >> So I'll definitely have questions for Mr. Upke. So if you I don't know if you want to make your way up here but my first question I just want to confirm because I I think it's the neighborhood meeting notice went out and so there were some neighbors already confused so we can get ahead of that a little bit. >> Yep. >> There is a property for sale at the actual 947 Stouten Avenue. This property doesn't have an address yet so 947 has two lots there that are on the corner of Stouten and York. >> Yep. >> Those are not included in this project. >> No, they are not. >> Okay, those are just it's happenstance that they are for sale at the same time. >> Yep, the only properties that this would involve is just the property that the city or EDA currently has. >> And then would our trail that we just put in need to move at all? >> No. >> Okay. >> Uh so so the housing units would be pushed further to the west. >> west, okay. >> Or to the east. >> East, sorry. >> Yeah. Okay. Um and then I would just say I think probably feedback for the neighborhood meeting just so you can get ahead of it is there's just some confusion about it being like low income housing or is it programmed um and so I think that's helpful just to note that it is a part of Beyond New Beginnings and what programming would look like and that it's um not just low income housing like obviously there's an income component um but it is it's more than that it's a programmed situation. I think that's really helpful for the neighbors to understand. Um And then Uh and then the other feedback would just be the obviously the worm property will fit in well. Um there's not any other twin homes on Stouton. And there's other new homes on Stouton and certainly several homes that have made updates um and reinvested in their properties, but just however we can and obviously we're not to concept or any of those other steps, but however to make it blend well so it doesn't just like stick out. I think will help the neighbors with it and it you know, I think especially with programming like that you want it to feel a part of the neighborhood and so um like the initial picture seems stark will would look stark on Stouton there, but I think just feedback. So um And then yeah, I was just the question of if it's the same essentially the same of what we heard about in, but here. So I don't know Bob if you want to come up for that. >> As he's coming up the the the big differences in the in proposal on Yellow Brick Road it'd include four units. This would include three. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So what's the on the in the picture that's in the packet the twin home but then the what I'm guessing is the worm home? >> Yep. >> That is going to stay as is or that house is going away? >> No, that house would actually get moved there. So right now it's actually at St. John's. >> Okay. >> It's it's in their playground. It's the only house that's actually sort of sitting on that block where their playground is. >> Yeah, yeah, I know where it is now. Yeah. >> Yeah, so it'd be moving that house over uh to you know, St. John's would in essence be providing that house to >> So that house is in like good condition or >> Yep. Uh we've done the analysis on the inside of it. Uh it's in good condition now. It's dated. >> Yeah, I mean [laughter] in comparison to a brand new house. >> Yeah, without without a doubt it's it's it's it's got some interesting carpet choices and stuff like that inside, it, >> can, you know, pick >> But that but that type of stuff this this structure >> okay. >> The structure is a good structure. Yep. >> Well, good evening Mayor and Council. It's good to be here and uh Michaela, to your to your point, we have the neighborhood meeting coming up and you know, any thoughts or ideas or feedback relative to the fifth and certainly open to those uh we want it to be and believe it'll be a nice addition to uh to the neighborhood. Um from a Beyond the Beginning standpoint, I think they believe that you know, we're going to build a fourplex on on Yellow Brick Road. The soils were really bad, really poor. Uh the cost of dealing with that just made the whole project prohibitive and and um so we worked with the city and identified this site. And and in talking to Beyond the Beginning, they actually believe that this combination of now looking at a duplex, two units that we build, and moving the worm house because they see a little bit more of a family need, you know, um you know, being identified will actually work better for them and as they look to the future. So, it's a really good fit that they're pleased with and and supportive of uh Uh we met with St. John's um last week uh about the move, put out [clears throat] RFPs to I think five moving companies and uh we've heard back from a couple. Uh obviously, St. John's is interest is to have it moved uh and the hole filled up and before school starts. That uh as a playground that you know, it's not a risk for anybody there and uh and uh so it was encouraging. We met with a a mover today and uh this is some good news, bad news, Michaela, that uh um that that he was optimistic about moving it from a cost standpoint, at least his general reaction. You know, it fit within the budget. His timeline uh to be able to do it and uh early uh uh August uh you know, would make sense and and meet uh uh the St. John's timeline. Um the bad news part of it, he'd be moving it at midnight, so anybody living on Stout Avenue might not have a good night's rest with the house being moved uh down the road and probably past your home and uh but uh so that was a positive discussion. So, we're encouraged about uh uh the project and addressing what is a a growing need in terms of you know, supporting single young moms that have chosen life and uh and >> [clears throat] >> uh uh supporting them and some of them that have been dealing with homelessness and and uh and providing you know, the counseling support from the Madonna beginning staff that you know, will lead to more stability and opportunity in the years ahead for them. >> Can I ask you a quick question, Bob? >> Sure. >> I remember as you had brought this up before and we would talked about the inn being in its previous desired location and and the current one that exists, that one of the aspects of this was the idea of community and that there was less congregating area where, you know, like the different families could come and you know, benefit from educational series or play time or whatever the case may be. Um do does this setup allow for that or is there going to be a way that that's going to be incorporated in if they're more or less you know, like single family dwellings rather than a multi you know dwelling. Does that make sense? >> Well, I you know, I think the you know, you're talking about the house itself specifically in terms of how it'll be used or >> Well, the the current one that New Beginnings has the kind of it sounded like when you spoke to us >> At Walnut Street? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The idea of community and being able to interact with each other and have their programming and educational series and things like that was a a key component of that. Will that will this set up and I'm not saying that it won't, but will this set up allow for that same type of uh >> Absolutely. >> community? >> Absolutely. The Beyond New Beginnings will you know, as they provide that support, that counseling support uh to these uh young women uh down on Walnut, they'll be providing the same services you know, in for folks that for young women living in the you know, in these buildings in the duplex and in the the Worm Home. So, they'll provide be providing that. I think they're working out the the details of what will that all include right now. But, it will be you know, the same model. >> Yeah. >> In terms of counseling support. And uh and I think that's the key and um if uh New Beginnings people would tell you that you know, they're excited about it and uh they're they're committed to that. The stories are amazing. >> Absolutely. No, I remember you telling us last time, but I I know it had like that that I don't know if you want to call it shared space in the but this idea that they could all >> Oh, the the common space in there. And they may they may bring them together for the common space in in uh you know, down on Walnut uh Uh, and uh um the the to the extent they can do that in the duplex, uh, there might be the opportunity to do that, but I think some of the logistics that are what they're trying to work out now. But, uh, >> Yeah. >> Um, I think they're identifying, you know, what are the measures of uh, success around the counseling support that are going to be used to to make sure that they're providing stability and bringing stability to the lives of these people, so. Yeah, so. >> And that's, yeah, a helpful perspective too. And so, for anyone listening, I think that that programming is something that makes it really special, whether it is on site or at the Walnut location, but the counseling in general. So, it's not, I think, not that there's anything wrong with low income housing, but it's not just like your general low income housing. There it's a very intentional, um, space that's being created. So, yeah. >> that's the beauty of it. Not only that we offer the programming, but that these single mothers don't feel like they're doing it alone. They have people just like them around them. They their kids have, you know, and I granted they're pretty young, but playmates. Like it's it's this idea of bringing a community back to somebody that's been maybe isolated or estranged from a community. So, I >> Yeah, exactly right. Right. You know, the the opportunity to provide play space and and offer that. I'm going to try to provide that opportunity out in Stoughton and, uh, and replicate what's going on down in the Walnut, so. >> Yeah, absolutely. That that was my question. Would that still be a key focus? >> Absolutely. >> And then just to confirm, it would be it is the plan is to put it in land trust? In the land trust? >> That will be the the plan, yeah. We, you know, I know the CDA is there's been discussions early on relative to the Walnut House. Uh, at this point we're just trying to, uh, set this up and get this all moved and put in in and I would guess then the follow-up would be with the CDA in terms of >> the the detail of moving into the land trust at some point. >> Well, you know, downtown Chaskans, they can be a little feisty, so I'm just trying to get ahead of some of it for you. But, those were all my questions. Thank you. >> Well, that's okay. We know who to call on then. Who to work with, so. All right. Thanks for all your support for Beyond the Beginnings and and their work. >> Appreciate it. >> Yeah, thanks Bob for coming down and and kind of helping um answer some of the questions. Uh I I appreciate kind of seeing that, you know, the city partnering with just to kind of make something work when it was found that the original plan just wasn't feasible. So, that it's nice to see a pivot happen and have it be something that can be really beneficial for all parties involved, you know, St. John's, Beyond the Beginnings, the city. >> You know, it's great. >> And the thing I forgot to mention, you know, the funds that help support from the city standpoint is LHA. The LHA dollars were allocated three sessions ago to cities, and we start off pretty small, but we're actually at a point now with our LHA dollars where we get enough annually where we can do sort of a impactful project. And so, you know, the great thing about projects like this is, I mean, it's it's meeting a need for for affordable housing, but more so it's meeting a specific need for, you know, going beyond that to say it's it's giving people a leg up in life to be able to get their finish their education off and and have child support, uh you know, people to support their children when, you know, so they can do homework and all those different types of things, so. >> live independently successfully. >> Yeah. Yeah, so those LHA dollars have really been I think really a a nice tool that we've received over the last few years. >> that was uh the state legislature had in a 1% um sales tax um put on with 3/4 of the sales tax going towards transportation and then the other quarter going towards affordable housing. And so it's broken down um by county and cities. Uh and so these are appropriated dollars towards it. >> Well, and the good thing compared to so in Carver County, we are not considered an entitlement county. And so an entitlement county is a county that gets community development block grant dollars automatically given to them based on their population. >> Yes. >> Carver County has not reached that threshold yet from a population perspective. So every dollar that we go out and have in the past and have had to uh try to seek for affordable projects has had to be through a competitive grant application process. But the problem with that is that you never know if you're going to get those dollars or not. And so or you might have to go through the process two or three times before you get it. These LHA dollars are are like CDBG dollars where they're allocated to us. So we're we can count on them, which means that we can we can come up with definite plans of of things to do with it. >> Yeah. Yeah, so makes a difference. >> Mayor, can I Let me just Can I just say one more thing? >> Come on down to the microphone, otherwise our 1.2 million listeners will not be able to hear you on YouTube. >> Um just to support Matt's point there. Uh we would be remiss if we didn't recognize the support of the city. You know, with the dollars you've contributed to make this project happen. If you didn't If we didn't have those dollars, we wouldn't have this project. And so when you talk about affordability and addressing issues of the community in terms of uh meeting, you know, special needs. You know, where almost all this is involved. Where we're bringing stability to young people that are struggling today. Uh and finding housing that uh might be affordable for them. I mean, uh this is an example of a partnership and uh where the city says, "We can do something here and we can support it and we can make it happen." And so, you know, we just need to publicly recognize that you played a key role in and making this a priority and making it happen and uh and we just need to recognize that for everyone that uh uh that's pretty special. And uh thanks for stepping up and making it a priority. So. >> Thank you, Bob. And thank you for your work and effort on this. All right. So, with that, any other discussion? Otherwise, [clears throat] at this point, um action or question action requested is a motion to approve uh entering into a letter of intent with the Community Asset Foundation for funding the Inn at Stone Avenue. So, I would entertain a motion for that. >> So moved. >> All right. So, a motion from Council Member McGraw. >> Second. >> And a second from Council Member Hatfield. Any other discussion? Otherwise, all those in favor signify by saying "I". I opposed? All right. Motion carries. All right. So, that moves us along to our next agenda item, which is uh 8C. Adopt resolution number 2026-59 and 2026-60, uh and ordinance number 1081 approving the preliminary site and plan building plan, preliminary plat, rezoning, and comprehensive plan amendment for Big Woods Business Park, um phase one Skinall Properties PC number 2026-08. >> Um Mayor and Council Member, the item in front of you tonight is uh something you guys have seen before. Uh so, we've had in our comp plan for 20 plus years, uh having a uh industrial park, business park on the west side of of Highway 212. Um it was one that it took the market to sort of catch up uh with before we saw uh communities to the east of us sort of run out of space for industrial, and we sort of reached that point now. And uh you know, we're seeing a lot more uh demand here. And so, as we've seen that, uh you know, we have both land owners uh in that area that have been desirous of selling their property for uh development, and we've had developer Scannell, uh who has come forward and and put uh forth sort of a vision and a and a plan uh for how to move forward with developing that. So, we did see the concept plan come forward uh several months ago. Uh since that time, uh uh there's been a lot of work that's been looked at, especially on transportation uh connections uh out there that we'll talk about. Uh but, uh um we're at now at the point of uh preliminary site and building plan, uh which includes a rezoning uh to be uh considered as a part of that. And with that, I will turn it over to Liz, who can uh give a presentation on it. >> Yeah. Thank you, Mayor and Council members. Uh we have a preliminary site and building plan, preliminary plat, rezoning, and a comprehensive plan amendment request this evening for the Big Woods Business Park, uh specifically the north side uh for their first phase or building number one out there. Um and as Matt mentioned, this is being proposed by Scannell Properties. Uh so, the site in question um is located on this aerial exhibit. Uh we are showing both the north and south sides Uh, that was looked at as a part of the overall concept plan approved earlier this year. Uh, the first phase is outlined in blue on this screen. So, it's on the north side of the Big Woods Business Park, uh, development, which is north of Big Woods, uh, Boulevard and directly east of Jonathan Carver Parkway or County Road 11. Um, so this property borders on, um, the city limits of Dahlgren Township. Um, we also have the city of Carver that's kind of kitty-corner to the southwest of the property, um, and additional agricultural land kind of surrounding, uh, the exist existing site here. Highway 212 is also, uh, a major abutting border on the east side as well. Uh, so we're at the second step in the process of our three-step review process. So, this is when we start to look at more of the details, uh, technical analyses, uh, civils and architectural drawings. Um, so we'll have another step following this one if this item moves on this evening. Uh, in terms of previous approvals, uh, and other actions that have occurred, uh, up until this time, um, it was back in November when they did hold their neighborhood meeting ahead of their concept plan, um, and then the concept plan was, uh, approved in February of this year by you guys. Um, uh, subsequent to that, uh, the two parcels, uh, within the phase one area that, uh, were in Dahlgren Township, uh, have been annexed into the city. Um, and that was, uh, these two parcels here right on that western border. Uh, those have gone through formal annexation. Uh, so they are a part of the city of Chaska now. Um, also um, an environmental assessment occurred or an AUAR is what we call it uh, for the uh, 300-acre area. Um, this was a requirement just due to the uh, size of the um, overall project area and square footage that's kind of uh, proposed out there in the future. Uh, so that process started in September and then formally wrapped up in April of this year where you guys adopted the final AUAR document. Um, in terms of the existing conditions of the site, uh, so the overall area uh, between the north and the south sides of the business park are a little over 330 acres in size. Uh, it spans across 16 parcels of land um, and six different property owners. Uh, the Razer family does own a majority of the property on the north side. Uh, the Dice family owns property on the south side. Uh, the Close family uh, owns some property, one parcel by the Morison family, two parcels by Traditions, and one parcel by the city of Chaska. Uh, most of this area is uh, currently used as agriculture um, today. Uh, there are some areas that are heavily forested or wooded um, mainly on the north side of the development and kind of uh, spread on the southeast side, too. Um, this area is uh, identified as two key community entrance uh, uh, pieces as a part of our comprehensive plan. So, we have one key community entrance at the intersection of Big Woods Boulevard and Jonathan Carver Parkway. So, that'll come into play in um, some other analyses we provide later on. Uh as I mentioned before, uh the preliminary request this evening is only for the first phase of this development, um which is situated on the north side of Big Woods Boulevard, um and directly east of County Road 11. Um so that'll take up roughly 44 acres of uh project area there, um and it's planned for a distribution center. So the current request, as I mentioned before, is kind of a four uh piece request. Um one is for a preliminary site and building plan uh for a distribution center totaling approximately 218,000 square feet on uh 44 acres. Uh also included as a preliminary plat request and a rezoning to plan multi-use District Number 24, and then lastly a comprehensive plan [clears throat] amendment. Um the site plan proposed is shown in the bottom left portion of the screen. The current zoning out here is shown on the right-hand side. Uh the majority of the property is currently zoned uh rural residential or RR2. Um the former Dahlgren Township parcels are unzoned right now, which is typical uh for a recent annexation, but they will get rezoned as a part of this preliminary request. Uh the preliminary plat includes platting the first phase into uh one lot, um so where the distribution center uh is going would be uh one lot totaling roughly 44 acres. There's an additional lot for a future water tower on the north side uh for a um the city to take that over and develop a water tower when needed. And then the remaining land uh controlled by Skennel Properties will be platted into outlots. Uh the comprehensive plan uh which is our long-range plan uh for the city guides uh this area to be a mix of uh land uses. Uh the majority of the area is planned for business park. Um subsequent area is planned for open space and uh greenbelt. Um and then growth area uh that was a part of those former Dahlgren Township parcels. Um as I mentioned before uh those were recently annexed in May of this year. Um a part of the request um which I'll get into more detail um in a couple other slides following these is uh a comprehensive plan amendment um which is a threefold request um so the amendment would uh allow for cluster development in the greenbelt area. Um the request to expand our metropolitan urban service area boundary which is basically the area that's serviced by city utilities. Um and then establish land use guidance over those former Dahlgren Township parcels as those weren't formally guided before. Uh so getting into the greenbelt area, this area um is highlighted in green on this uh exhibit here. Uh the uh purpose of the greenbelt is to establish an edge around the city to the best extent possible to physically and visually separate Chaska from adjacent communities. Uh the purpose of it also includes protection of the rural character um mainly at key community entrances. So this is a key community entrance at this first phase of development at Big Woods Boulevard and Jonathan Carver Parkway. The proposed site plan shows an impacts into that green belt area which is allowed via or per the comprehensive plan. We do allow for cluster development to happen within green green belt areas as long as they meet the standards that are listed within that which I'll get to in your moment here. So for this first phase there's almost 30 acres of green belt space which again is that green area. Um and then with the proposed site plan there's roughly 9 acres of impact into that green belt space. So roughly 31% of the green belt area is shown to be impacted with impervious surface. Um and because of those impacts as I mentioned a comprehensive plan amendment request is required per policy number three under the 2040 comp plan. Um within policy number three there are 10 stated objectives that have to be met in order for an amendment to occur. I'm not going to go through all of these. I'm just going to highlight some of the the main ones within the list here. One of them is that the area needs to be serviced by Chaska utilities. So that is true with this proposal is they will be extending utilities to service the business park area. Another one is view sheds at key community entrances are identified prioritized and protected. And again those are view sheds along Jonathan Carver Parkway and Big Woods Boulevard where that key community entrance is. Uh they are proposing a mix of ponding, berming, and landscaping within this area uh to help uh provide that um view or obscured view shed on the edge there. There are a few refinements that they need to work on going into their final submittal uh mainly situated on the northwest edge of building one site um and where their proposed vehicle entrance is on Jonathan Carver Parkway. And I'll show that in a video montage uh coming up shortly here. Um and then another important piece is that um if there are impacts into the greenbelt area that the development activity is limited to approximately a third of the greenbelt area or 33% of that space. So, they do stay within that threshold uh with their site plan. Um this slide shows um multiple angles of uh uh the view sheds that are seen along Bigwoods Boulevard and Jonathan Carver Parkway. Um I'll show a video um to kind of give you that full glimpse of what the view shed would be along both of those roadways. Uh but to highlight kind of where those areas of refinement are needed um again they're on the northwest side of the site and where that vehicle entrance is proposed on Jonathan Carver Parkway. >> So, in that image sir, just to clarify cuz it's on work. The one the D1 D4, D4 is Bigwoods and D1 is Jonathan Carver that road. >> Yep, correct. Yep. >> This is the one that's like across from Fleet Farm, like the parcel that or like getting kind of getting away to >> Uh >> Yeah, it's up it's up about a mile and a half to 2 miles from the Fleet Farm. And so it it's in between Yeah, it's in between Fleet Farm and Engler Boulevard. >> Okay, so it doesn't actually come up Well, I guess 212 does cut down like that. Yeah, I'm seeing it on the 212. Okay. >> And then I'm going to show two videos here, which is their proposed uh landscaping and berming along Big Woods Boulevard and Jonathan Carver Parkway. They put together two really helpful uh video exhibits, one showing kind of the 5-year growth of the landscaping along that edge, and then a more mature 20-year growth uh view shed. So, the first one is the 5-year growth um and it's going to be starting kind of at the edge of um where the green belt is on Big Woods Boulevard. It'll move west and then go north along Jonathan Carver Parkway, and I'll kind of run you through it. So, this is along Big Woods Boulevard, right before the edge of the green belt here. So, they'll be putting in berming here, ponding kind of in between. This is that trail along Jonathan Carver Parkway. So, we're on Jonathan Carver Parkway now going north. And then here's that vehicle entrance proposed. And then as you continue going north, and this is kind of where it gets to be that other area of refinement that we've uh stated needs um additional landscaping and um screening uh to be worked on with their final plan. And then here's the 20-year growth. Kind of same direction pattern as before. >> That first one was how many years? Five? >> Five years for the first one. This one's 20 years. >> All right. >> So, they'll do more um native grasses uh kind of in the the ponding and the berming area to give more of that lush feel there. >> Okay. >> I think it's important to [clears throat] uh point out in this cuz I think it's important to state for a lot of neighbors who's got questions for me. Then at Big Woods Boulevard, the enhancement that's in that image that you did mention is the walking bike path sidewalk path that does not exist there today >> Yes. >> because it ends at the roundabout. >> Yes. >> Um and it's a basically a county road after that for thicket as no curbs or gutters or anything like that. No gutters, curbs, and um waste water. Um because I've heard feedback things like, you know, um well, there's a couple things, right? I you know, ride bike to Carver or to the Carver Elementary School. In some aspects, well, I'll just say it. I actually think this in you know, they're worried about traffic. We'll talk about traffic. I'm sure you have a whole section on that. Um but actually the the including of the bike path actually enhances that safety because right now it is very tight because it's it's a county road it's a county road with no sides, right? And so, it's not and that will ultimately connect to the regional trail that runs north and south of Carver. Which is good. I think the other thing that I like to you know, I I got lots of emails. I responded to a few. I live in this area just to state that so I let people know that. I live in Founders Path, which is 12 3rd down the road. Um the other reality is there in that 20-year vision plan >> [snorts] >> kids in that neighborhood aren't typically actually going to Carver anymore. They would go to a new elementary school that would would not be impacted by some of the traffic. So, you got a little bit of a time barrier with the where how development happens, but I want to make sure people hear that, right? Like, I understand that everyone living in Founders and um the Harvest view that Carver Elementary is that their school path. And it is right now, and I can't tell you when it's not because that that's undetermined. But, big picture, which is what we got to look at investments in these types of things, would shift actually away from that and actually put the school back into the community by the community park that's you know, pictured there. So, I think those are just important things. Very valid concerns that have been brought to my attention that I already had, too, but it's good to hear. But, I think those are important things to look at, too, is I it finishes that path and makes that connection point um which people still take the bike, which is great, but again, I think it's also important to understand that Carver Elementary, long term, isn't the school that serves this space. Now, don't know when that changes. It is now. Made that drive many times for 10-plus years at this point. Um but, I do think that's I have to remind myself of that, too, because I've just taken that for granted that it's always going to be Carver, it's always going to be Carver Elementary, but hopefully, there will be a need for that new elementary school, and that'll get built south of Big Woods Boulevard there. So. I just think that's important cuz the Burley looks great, but what it stuck out to me was that path because that does not exist there today, and that is not a safe very not a safe road at all today for anyone on a bike or scooter or anything like that. >> Yeah, another improvement that's forthcoming on the students in the school is the new future Savannah Way that Um and then eventually, it will and also then creating crosswalks over the street to be drivable. So, that would be helpful in routing to >> Good. Yep, that's a good good add, too. >> Yeah, and that's Savannah Way southern connection, you'll see that start this summer with grading and you'll see it get finished next summer. You know, cuz we're going to need that both for the you know, opening of our park, but there's also two neighborhoods they're developing at the same time. And you know, I don't think the school is that far in in the on the horizon. Just in the discussions we've had with the school district during the park development I think you know, they're they're looking at you know, that they're starting to see the district grow again. They're starting to see a lot of growth obviously happen on the western edge of the of the district and so there's going to be some factors that really push them to look at adding that school. You know, maybe sooner than people might expect. >> I have a question and it's probably not a really a factor, but where the park is located in in comparison to this and we're talking about keeping that park like a it sounds like anyway more of like a nature you know, like conservatory type park with some amenities of course, but like the it sounds like the goal is to keep it very naturey. Will this change any of that? >> You won't even see it cuz cuz you have to keep in mind that you have to cross 212 to actually get from this industrial park over to the park. And you know, I'm sure these guys are going to talk about it, but you know, the the question about traffic improvements or road improvements that will need to occur here. We've been in a lot of discussions with the county about you know, what are the best improvements that we could make out here on the road which is likely going to involve a roundabout where there's an entrance into the park, and then also over at County Road 11, too. And that's in their 2028 horizon. So, it's it's right in line with when we would expect to see uh you know, see this develop. Uh but the um you know, when you when you look at the uses that will be in the industrial park, it it's probably going to be pretty rare that they're going to be uh going across the freeway, you know, and going on to into the east side of the freeway, unless they're making deliveries to specific houses. >> Well, and I was going to say as far as like traffic patterns in the school and all that, my neighborhood is one of the very few that actually dumps out onto 41. Like, there's not a barrier of exit road that comes off the neighborhood. And our kids, if they went to that school, would go to Clover Ridge. So, you cross actually over 212 and down There's some very busy intersections and streets and and they would obviously they would ride a bus. Um but we I have never seen that traffic pattern or or even all of the hustle and bustle on 41 and 212, which is right where we are, um be detrimental to kids getting to school, traffic get you know, it's actually harder to get out of our neighborhood and go downtown because the light never changes. But it it's never really been a problem. It's not loud. It's not dangerous that I have ever seen. Um and so, I don't think that this is going to throw that at all. I think it's just another form of urban development that happens and you plan for that, right? With roads and traffic signs and roundabouts or whatever. So. >> Well, and the and part of it, too, is that the intersection at County Road 11 and Big Woods Boulevard right right it work >> Right. Right. Not at all. >> so the county the county's very aware that they need to upgrade that and so any improvements that happen to trans from a transportation perspective are going to happen both at that intersection but then also on Big Woods Boulevard going all the way back to the freeway. >> Yep. And I think that's important. I mean with all of the infrastructure that's happened off 41 and 212, that is not dangerous. That is not It It's It's just fine. It works. So I think we'd see the same thing here where semis can get on and off, delivery trucks can make, you know, it isn't a a deal breaker for neighborhoods that are nearby at all. >> I have lots of traffic questions but I'll wait till the traffic section. >> No, this is helpful. Maybe less talking that I need to do. >> [laughter] >> Um for land use or for the amendments from the comprehensive plan include uh re-guiding or guiding the persons that are not already guided out here. Um so effectively the land use guidance proposed um will generally match kind of uh older plans that have been adopted by the city specifically the Southwest Chaska plan. So we'll see um open space or green belt kind of continue along that western edge and business park um kind of uh abutting that as well in line with um those previous approved plans. Uh the expansion of the MUSA again stops at uh the city's western limits today. Um so now that we have uh the two Dalgran Township parcels annexed, um the MUSA expansion would basically extend into that area up to our ultimate western limits. Uh the overall business park is going to be phased um as end users are identified out here, but um with this first phase of the development, uh we wanted to make note of kind of what's coming, um kind of with the initial startup of this business park. So, it would include uh building of building one, which is basically kind of everything in that turquoise area, um as well as roads, um so we have kind of the main spine road that'll service the northern area here, which we've identified or have uh coined as public road A, but we'll get a more um formal name um into subsequent approvals here, um as well as uh public improvements at where that spine road will intersect with Big Woods Boulevard, um and then um some improvements along County Road 11 where they're proposing that private right-in right-out um access. >> And those two and just to be clear, those two roundabouts do not exist today. >> Correct. The the one at public road A, um with Big Woods Boulevard, and then the one at Big Woods Boulevard and County Road 11. Um also with phase one would be the inclusion of a public trail, which would uh follow the extension of city utilities across the ravine and connect into the business park area and come down to that uh intersection of Big Woods Boulevard and public road A, and kind of extend along the edges um of uh the northern development here along Big Woods Boulevard and into the regional trail along County Road 11. >> It's actually one thing that we've really learned from our north industrial parks is how many businesses have come and talked to us about is there a way we can put in a sidewalk or you know things that allow employees to go out during lunch and take a walk. And so I think it's I mean it seems subtle but I think having that be part of the industrial park. I mean right now if you go out into Crosby Park or PV Park I mean people are walking on the road and and it's it's not that it's super dangerous but it's not ideal and and this is really thinking about how do you create those places where people can be during lunch but also some cool places where they can go to like down by the creek West Creek. >> And then mass grading would also occur on the northern half of the business park kind of up to the limits that's Skinel properties controls. So basically where the dark blue extends to they would grade to those limits on the north side. And then also utilities would come down from Creek Road to the north here. I'll show a different slide later showing that. >> I was going to ask you a question. Yeah. Skinel properties is buying that whole plot of land only one thing is sold but there will be future buildings on this land. Is that is that am I understanding the development of it correctly? >> Yeah so they have control over a majority of the parcels on the north side owned by the razor family and the Morson family basically to the extent of where the dark blue goes here. They have one end user identified for the basically the turquoise these other areas don't have end users at this point and will come in when those are identified. >> That's what I was asking is the intent in the future for Skinel to develop those as well okay. >> For access and right away we kind of touched on it a little bit. Um, but the main road to kind of this first phase of development is what we call public road A or the spine road. Um, which will also have a new single lane roundabout intersection at Big Woods Boulevard and public road A. Um, this is um, still kind of in the iterative iterative process with Carver County as it is their road. Um, so there [snorts] may be some changes moving into final, um, but at this point this is kind of the preferred design option proposed uh, to access the north area or the kind of future north and south areas of the business park along Big Woods Boulevard. Um, but that'll be the main point of entry to building one as well as kind of those future uh, plots of land as well. Um, and then uh, a new private right in right out is proposed along County Road 11. So this will be only for the use of building one um, to have access to. So it is a uh, limited access uh, to be a right in right out uh, here. Um, and then Matt mentioned uh, kind of what the county's future plans are along uh, the intersection of Big Woods Boulevard and County Road 11. Um, and again this is kind of outside of the the scope of this overall business project or business park area. Uh, but they do intend um, to move forward with a construction of a roundabout at Big Woods Boulevard and Jonathan Carver Parkway in the future in 2028. Um, just a couple things regarding access and right of way that the applicant will need to work on for their final submittal. Um, public road A is uh, considered a collector road in our comprehensive plan. It's also a state aid road, uh so it does have um another layer of regulation and design standards that it does need to meet. Um uh for it being a collector road, there are spacing guidelines for access points on a collector road, which is 600 ft from each access point. Um with uh building one site, they show three points of access onto that collector road. Uh the two on the north side of the development or on the north side of the site uh that access the loading dock and uh their uh van lot uh towards the back of the building um don't meet that spacing requirements, so that will be something they need to uh revise into their final submittal and layout. Um and then lastly, since we're still kind of in the process of uh working with Carver County, um that coordination still needs to continue. Um and certainty needs to uh uh be provided on the design for intersections uh A and B, so the ones that intersect with the county roads. >> Just on this one, leading into my traffic conversation, safe to assume I'll make some assumptions here that I want to just verify cuz I don't want assumptions are not great. The right in right out van lot, delivery truck lot, um that ultimately means, this is an assumption that if you're thinking about like the concern of traffic into the neighborhood to the east, essentially right in right out stops that because they can't go south off that to get into the neighborhood. they'd have to go right going north on Jonathan Carver. Fair statement? >> Yeah, the one thing I the one thing I would say about that though is that, you know, that that lot's going to have full access to the primary road up through the industrial park. So, they could, you know, enter down onto the roundabout that's down at the entrance of the park. >> So, maybe that's a question after the developer. Is the van lot connected to I guess that public road A? >> Mhm. Yes. >> It is. Okay. So, they could go through there. And again, I guess generally, if you're delivering something to my house, which is down that way, you're going to probably go that way. But generally speaking, traffic's low getting to 212, Jonathan Carver, those big collector roads. >> Okay. >> That's a good clarification cuz that wasn't clear to me. The public road A, I assume then based on this is that that will be that'll be the semi traffic largely going to that loading dock delivering the large shipments that ultimately get sorted into the vans. That was the only thing that, you know, your comment earlier Matt about not having traffic cross over the 212. There's where it could occur maybe because I think if you zone out, you can't see it on here. But if you're coming if that truck was coming north on 212, you would have to take the off into loops off to the side and go around that roundabout and come back through. You know what I'm saying? That the interchange. >> So, one of the things we should point out as part of this is we're trying to get the funding to support the inclusion of all legs of that interchange. Uh so, and that would be part of the overall improvements on Big Woods Boulevard. So, it actually would It actually make the connectivity on the 212 a lot easier. Uh both for people in the business park, but also the residents too who may not just want to go north, but also may want to go south too. Um but um [snorts] >> Cuz if you're on this map, like the way it's set up now, that's a good clarification cuz if you're thinking about it as a resident of the Harvest there, you're thinking if they're coming south on 212, no problem. They're going to go They're going to exit. They're going to roundabout. And then they're going to go around the roundabout, go west, hit the next roundabout, go into the park. >> Yep. >> If you're coming from the south as it exists today, and you're heading north, you're coming off there where the cursor is. You're going all the way around that one roundabout to the another to the second roundabout and in. Right? So, that would be on the east side of 212. As it exists today. >> Uh actually, you can't make You can't You can't make that move in. >> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you're right. That's right. >> So, the only way that that So, that's what we're talking about actually adding and it would mimic the it would mimic the other side of the freeway. So, that as they're coming off, they wouldn't have to drive over into a neighborhood. They would just go around that roundabout and in. >> Thank you. I mean, I drive by it every day and I drive it and then it's still hard to picture. That's why. >> I have a I have a question on that too. So, if you think about 212 from like Eden Prairie Road, Dell, 101, yeah, I think actually all of them up through Engler, they all have stoplights and bridges to go over. Is the plan ever to do that on Big Woods where we'd make it more as the, you know, obviously as the traffic patterns >> Well, I think we can definitely put more traffic through there without stoplights. Uh we can put more traffic through there with roundabouts than we can with stoplights. >> Okay. >> And so, the reason that this interchange is different is because this was not included as part of the original construction of 212. >> Oh. >> We ended up having to go and get uh bonding dollars to be able to get this >> That makes sense. Okay. >> And when we designed this, we designed it probably the way they wish they would have designed the rest of the interchanges. >> Okay. Cuz I was thinking that's the only one cuz Jonathan Carver again has the lights in the bridge. So, it'd be >> So, when we go to do the additions for the people that wanting that are wanting to go south, that would just be another off-ramp of that roundabout that's in place on that side. Yeah, we're just cursed with that. >> Yeah, so we purchased all of the right-of-way as part of the initial project. We only got the approval to do a partial interchange at the time. But, we have all the right-of-way to actually build it. >> Okay. Yeah, cuz I knew the off-ramp, but I didn't know the other side. All right. >> I'm not worried about the traffic. I keep bringing traffic questions up, but it's fair cuz they're top of my head. And this may be an applicant question, and it's hard to predict. So, I'm going to put you in a tough spot. I'm just going to tell you. I think the number one concern we're going to hear, and I have heard, is semis coming up Big Woods Boulevard through those neighborhoods on the east side. I look at this and say that I don't think that's going to occur. I think what's going to come into the neighborhood are the deliveries in the vans. Um this neighborhood area, particularly I live, is a little skeptical of what they're told about traffic and construction because we witnessed people drive through our neighborhood for construction lots of times. So, they're already like hurt by that, which is fair cuz it still happens today or the new developments. But, am I wrong in saying that it'd be unlikely that a semi is going to come from downtown Chaska up Big Woods Boulevard into the lot? Is that a Again, not making you promise because it's impossible to predict, but generally that is not the most efficient way. And if I know about the end user, the end user is all about efficiency. Uh, is that a fair statement? >> That's a fair statement. >> Uh, you got I think you I think you actually have to say them just so people can hear it. >> That is a fair statement. >> Okay. Because again, that is the number one thing that I one of the number one things I think both Taylor and I got messages today, emails about really that traffic in the neighborhood section. The other section, it's been zoned industrial, it's going to be industrial, there's going to be lots of change there. Um, I'm okay I'm comfortable with that. I just want to make sure we're comfortable with what's happening on the east side being impacted with what's happening on the west side, off 212. >> And I mean, it's fair to point out that there is bigger vehicle traffic happening on that stretch of road. And it is a collector road. >> That's there to take the mall traffic there. >> Yeah, and I I do think uh just generally where these things are going to be coming to and where they're and coming from and going to, that it's probably much more likely that they use 101 uh to go across the river uh cuz that connects now directly with 212 and then come down uh cuz it's a much more direct uh path. It it's uh it's not easy for for big trucks to >> They want to hit the four roundabouts on on Bull Woods Parkway. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. >> On Englehart? >> Yeah, on Englehart. Big I mean, there's yeah, there's a lot >> But I think I think also, I mean, we're going to see other users out there that have lots of deliveries. And and so I think it's fair to say that you'll probably uh see that those users um are are going to want to stick to the main roads. Um >> Oh, for sure. I can't tell you the amount of times I've seen semis out that obvious end of place on Powers barely make it through those roundabouts to get into the where the new community center's going. Awful. >> Okay, I'll hold some I'm good. I'm going to keep the process moving. >> Now we're at traffic. John's favorite. Key it up [laughter] for us, John. And you don't have much to say now. >> Yeah, probably not. Um, but they did do an updated TIA or traffic impact analysis with this first phase here just to give a little bit more detail to the end user for the distribution center. They provided a helpful table to kind of show the breakdown of the types of vehicles coming into and out of the site during kind of a 24-hour period. This is a 24/7 building. So you have people working in the overnight hours, trucks coming in mainly in the overnight hours and then delivery vans kind of um working off-peak during the daytime hours. Autos are kind of the employees that service this building are kind of the majority of those daily trip generators on site. Again, the biggest shift will happen overnight. So off-peak hours usually when people are sleeping, they'll have their biggest shift from 1:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. Um, trucks will uh mainly come in the overnight hours but be sporadic through kind of all hours of the day. Um, and then vans, which are the delivery vans, those will start to gear up around 10:00 a.m. and leave the site between 10:00 and 11:00 and be off-site making their deliveries and coming back around the 8:00 p.m. 9:00 p.m. hour. Uh, so this building will generally have about 3,000 daily trips. Um just within that 24-hour uh breakdown. >> And that's the number that gets attention and scares everyone, right? Like just that's So, I think you brought it you you broke it down well and I I like the details of the report cuz that's the number that is a good talking point, but when you look at the details of where that where it's coming it >> Mhm. >> it's more manageable in my opinion. It's It's It's a lot, but yes, I mean that is >> so, sometimes it's hard to visualize trips and what what that means, right? Um So, 3,000 daily trips just for context, a couple stretches in Chaska that have that sort of account today um would include uh Victoria Drive. Um so, as it comes off of 41, I'm kind of between 41 as it connects up to Engler, that stretch, uh which is primarily residential, has about 3,000 trips per day. So, you can kind of visualize what that stretch of road is like. That's the trip count >> You talking about like over by the safety building, public safety campus? >> South of South of there. Um so, as you're heading up heading northward on 41, that first uh signal >> Yeah, the north side of it. >> that stretch. >> Okay. I never see anyone go there. I'm surprised it gets 3,000 a day. >> Oh, I cut through. >> Well, now you know what that's like. >> Now I do. >> Yep. Thank you, that's a great perspective. >> How many trips does 41 get a day? >> About 20,000. >> Oh, do they? Cuz I was going to say it It's not even that bad and I live right on it, but it's not that bad. [snorts] >> Yeah. >> But it actually it it also differs depending on where you measure on 41. >> But I'm sure right on 212 by me is a lot. >> Yeah, yeah. >> I was thinking that was like 3,000, so I guess 3,000 is not bad. >> Uh so, >> utilities um will have to extend across the ravine to service uh this business park area. So, they're currently stubbed off at Creek Road and Chaska Creek Boulevard. So, where the new MSB building is um being constructed today, that'll have to extend south across the ravine and connect into the uh the new street system proposed here. Um but that would basically um kind of open the doors for the development here um to uh develop further. >> [snorts] >> Um we do anticipate a future water tower in this area. Um the developer has uh kind of segmented uh the northerly uh lot kind of at the end of the proposed cul-de-sac here uh for that water tower site. Uh additionally, um a city substation is positioned over on this north side as well um and kind of geared towards uh the tra- tradition side of the area um out towards Highway 212. Uh both of those pieces are not uh required uh with this first phase of development, but um we'll continue to evaluate the need for both of those pieces as development continues to occur out here. Um uh this is not uh Chaska electric territory at this time. So, uh the Big Woods uh business park is currently in Minnesota Valley's territory. Um however, there is kind of a long-term plan that uh the city of Chaska would absorb that area into our electric territory in the next 15 years or so. Uh trails and sidewalks um definitely an important piece and Matt kind of mentioned it a little bit earlier. Um uh the importance of had having this con- connectivity uh into these working areas and connected into kind of those more regional systems so that people have more options to bike and walk to work um uh if they uh can. Um so the proposed um extensions for pedestrian facilities with this development would include um the uh extension of the city trail across the ravine and into the uh northern cul-de-sac um that would run along the eastern side of public road A and into uh County Road 44 Big Woods Boulevard um and extend kind of on that northern side so as uh Council Member Agra mentioned that extension doesn't exist today so with this kind of first phase of development it would bring that full loop um into existence into the regional trail that exists on the east side of County Road 11. Uh so that'll give um workers or even just uh everyday walkers um another looping system here uh along um kind of the business park area and County Road uh pedestrian facilities. Uh in addition a sidewalk would be on that west side of uh the spine road or public road A as well. >> [snorts] >> Um and then some other uh trail extensions are also proposed um one is proposed along the stormwater pond on the west side of the site and kind of connect into the uh wooded ravine system along the north side of the property. Um and there's kind of uh these future plans to again provide for more of those passive trail uh components to extend into the wooded ravine system so people can uh really uh use that as an amenity. Another important objective out here is providing outdoor gathering space for the workers and people who are going to be visiting or using the the walking facilities here. For building one site, they do have one area proposed on site kind of where the main entrance is on the south side of the building where the tables and a ride shelter for people who carpool. Um and then some landscaping. So we have kind of asked for a further revision or refinement to this area just to make it a more desirable place to to rest for workers to really be intentional with the landscaping around that space to make it a a place that workers would like to rest during their breaks. They've also highlighted an area that'll be in a city-owned outlot kind of where that trail extension would come off the cul-de-sac and extend across the ravine. There's opportunity there to make that into a a rest spot or a place where people can come off the trail and rest for a little bit. Screening landscaping and tree preservation. So this is kind of an important piece that ties into the greenbelt area and ensuring that the view sheds primarily from the key community entrance and major roadway abutments are vegetated and lush as much as possible. They have provided a pretty significant screening plan mainly in the greenbelt area with kind of those few refinement areas that we've highlighted earlier. An additional spot we've asked for further refinement is on the east side of their property that abuts public road A. This is right where their additional van lot and queuing spot is to help uh screen that area with berming and landscaping along that edge. And then some other menial refinements with their boulevard trees and understory as well into final. The building getting into the design of the building. Again, this is a 218,000 square foot building 40 feet tall. Uh the building will kind of represent pretty similar to this example image on the top here. So, the materials proposed are a concrete form liner which is more of this variegated um uh texture that you see on the bottom left. It's also used in this top image here, too. Um that'll be kind of a a main class one material as well as clear story windows and glazing or windows at the front entrance of the building on the south side here. Um and then the majority or the rest of the building would be just smooth concrete panels. Um the parking they are proposing a pretty hefty parking plan on site which is kind of more than double we would require for the size of building, but given the operation of accommodating both employees and uh delivery vans on site. They do need a little bit more parking than your average user. Um so they are a little over 1,300 stalls on site, uh but they meet their requirement uh from a city code perspective in what they need for their operations. Um and then lastly, there is uh a smaller accessory building uh proposed on site uh because they have delivery vans um park there and as a part of their their main operation, they will have a service building for the delivery vans on site and this uh building will be situated kind of on the north side of the property uh here where I'm showing my cursor. So kind of obscured from view for the most part. Um just a few other things that the applicant will need to work on for their final submittal. Uh they'll need to work through an approval with the uh appropriate agencies that review wetland uh impacts. Um they do propose a few impacts uh with their first phase. So they'll need to work through that. Um because there's a comprehensive plan amendment uh included as a part of this request, um it formally needs to be approved by Met Council who are the oversight agency of comprehensive plans. Uh so they'll need to work through and get um that process uh completed before final approval. Um continuing to work on their greenbelt implementation strategies and how they'll uh uh preserve uh the areas within the greenbelt uh in the future. And then lastly, um this project uh is proposing to utilize TIF um to uh pay for some of the improvements out there. So they will need to work through that process with both council and the EDA. >> [clears throat] >> So, in conclusion, there's three motions being requested this evening. One is to adopt resolution number 2026-59, which is approving the preliminary site and building plan and preliminary plat. Um and then adoption of ordinance number uh 1081, which is approving the rezoning to planned multi-use district 24. And then uh uh adoption of resolution number 2026-60, which is approving the comprehensive plan amendment. Happy to answer any questions. Otherwise, we do have representatives from both the end user and the applicant here. Um if you have specific questions for them. >> Anybody have any additional questions for for staff? >> No. I was just going to comment mostly just for um the developer that uh I appreciate the work that was done to really give us uh insight into what it will look like from the roads with the um different views. I think that really helped a lot cuz that was one of the things I called out in at concept was that we want to see that done really well or at least I would. Um and I feel I feel good about what it looks like from the road cuz it is it is something that is zoned to be um in the end uh a business park. And so, it makes sense, but also trying to balance that. And I think it balances it well. So, I just want to commend the team for doing that. And uh I feel like the visuals went above and beyond to kind of help us see that. And that was uh very much appreciated. So, That was That was really my biggest comment or my only comment. So, >> Uh why don't you guys come forward and talk a little. [clears throat] >> Jake Kurth, Wisco Land Properties, developer on the project. Thank you guys very much for having us. Mayor Hubbard, thank you very much. Council, thank you very much. Happy to answer any questions. I know traffic was a uh uh something that we hit on throughout the presentation. Thank you very much, Liz. I know you've seen the presentation now four times. I think this is the fourth, and I know we have two more to go after this. >> So, I don't know if there's a abbreviated version. >> Two more? One more? >> Well, one more with you guys. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, Matt Johnson, yeah. >> Oh, no, no. You're planning. >> Planning. >> Planning, yeah. >> Yeah. >> little different at that phase, but Okay. >> Yeah. Um but no, we heard loud and clear uh that specifically the green belt is something that we need to take uh ownership on and be respectful of uh specifically given that there are two large community entrances. So, we thought the I'm I'm a big-time visual person, so images are great on a 2D scale. Um 3D renderings are awesome, but um videographies is is is getting almost too lifelike. Um so, with that being said, we are you know are continuing to work with staff on the backside, and um we'll continue to work with you guys, not just in this phase, but also the future phases as things progress. From a traffic perspective, absolutely, we hear you guys loud and clear. Safety is is one of our main um uh points or topics that we always try to uh think through as we're designing. Uh in addition, we always work to enhance the community as a whole. So, from a connectivity, we know that uh Big Woods Boulevard is is at times dicey. Uh especially with how it just hasn't been improved. And we know Jonathan Carver and Big Woods as well, which is a future proposed project by the county, is something that we'll need to coordinate with as well. So, um with that being said. >> Go ahead. >> Go ahead. >> So, I think talk a little bit about the end user. I think some of the times uh you know, when people see a project of this scale and size and there's lots of questions about who and what. Um I think some of the um let's talk about some of the you know, the curiosity of the opportunities that are coming forward with this project. Like how many jobs is this providing and >> I'm going to allow Jason to talk about this a little bit. >> Okay. Let's talk a little bit about the economic benefits here. >> Sure. Uh good evening Mayor and Council. My name is Jason Vengler. Some head of Central US expansion and economic development policy for uh Amazon as you saw on that the slide. Uh this this uh project will create kind of two different um buckets of jobs. The first is what we would call under the roof jobs. That's about up to 300 uh new jobs um that are direct employees of us. Um they receive uh full benefits starting on day one. Um after 90 days they receive full access to our Career Choice program, which is uh $5,250 of uh education prepayment. We prepay the tuition uh so long as it's an eligible program uh which uh they can get uh a certificate program, ESL program, a GED, uh really anything um so long as they're that that program is enrolled in Career Choice they can access that. After a year they get access to 20 weeks of paid time off uh for parental leave as well. Um uh this market uh the rate obviously hasn't been set yet for this market, but on average these uh these folks make about 20 to $21 an hour. Um that goes up to about 29 to $30 an hour with total compensation. The other bucket of jobs uh are um about 450 or so drivers um that will be on the road. Those folks work with uh full-time for for our delivery service partners. We have not recruited those yet, but the DSPs are recruited generally locally uh to run a small business out of the uh the uh last mile facility. Um so, we provide the technology, the access to the facility, uh and and access to um vans and other equipment. Uh and then the DSP runs those uh programs for us. That's kind of the two >> So, the DSP, is that like are they then having independent contractors as their drivers, or are they a company that has employees yep again >> salaries and >> Exactly right. Yep. Yep. So, um the we contract with the small business, the DSP, and the DSP uh hires full-time the drivers. So, there'll be multiple DSPs that will work out of this facility. Um so, that'll range DSPs typically range from like 40 to 100 drivers. So, that hasn't been yet worked out. >> Okay. Okay. No, it's good to know. It's good to kind of see the delineation. Um thank you for answering those questions. >> Yeah. And I just want to say so, my role is kind of unique. While I I sit at the front of the project, I also stay on after the project. And so, our goal is always to be a good neighbor. So, um as there are uh growing pains with any site when it launches, we want to be responsive to that, and so I'll be a key resource um for all of you as you uh hear back from constituents if there are any challenges. We obviously try to launch uh with our best foot forward, but uh occasionally there there are there that is the case. Um and we do have access to technology related to GPS and routing and those kinds of things, so we certainly do our best to make sure that um both from a line haul, but also uh van perspective, that we are we can kind of mitigate any of those um traffic issues ahead of time. >> I appreciate hearing that, and it's nice to hear that you're going going on site you know long after. It's not just, you know, come set it up and then and then take off that you're familiar face now. So, >> Yeah. >> Um and yeah, I think just having that level of communication to, you know, I think some of the things I live off of Angler and uh we I live off of 212. So, I I do hear a lot of highway traffic. I mean, especially at night when you do hear the larger vehicles. I think one of the things is as a off-ramp, you know, you can hear the braking um if they're not braking appropriately. So, just being a good neighbor being, you know, um good to the residents that are living in the adjacent neighborhood communities to make sure that, you know, um you're you're being respectful and mindful of the safety, which I'm sure you will be. So, uh I appreciate you coming up here and is there anything like else you want to add about the building or site or anything? Anything pertinent? >> I I think that, you know, I I touched on it on uh I think at P&Z, but we do have some sustainability initiatives that I think are unique to this building that we're excited about. Just a low-carbon uh footprint concrete as well as a low-carbon footprint uh rebar in the building. Uh and it's also going through a process of of kind of um carbon totaling, looking at our construction, and that will go to a larger national build program. Um so, really kind of some exciting things that are unique and different and new um for this market for us at least. Um and and we're always kind of uh working to um uh drive the sustainability initiatives across the board. So, there is a no-idling policy. Um this facility will launch with uh probably up to about 50% um that'll vary based on our vendors' availability of the EDVs, but most of those vehicles will launch uh with electric vehicles. Uh so, there is no idling uh when those vehicles are on. Um obviously, they're quieter, as well. So, there's a lot of initiatives to make uh these buildings fit better uh in the neighborhoods that they're in, whether that's an industrial park or uh I try we try not to build as much as we can next to residential areas. >> Yeah, no, understandably. And I appreciate you mentioning that cuz that that is something of importance and it's something that you know, I think right now people are looking forward to see the environmental stewardism that you know, is put forth and are we using sustainable products and are we being kind to the environment and surrounding especially with larger buildings of that scale. So Thank you. >> Great. Thank you for the partnership. We appreciate it. >> Don't run away. I got some questions. >> Oh, okay. >> I had well, first I wanted to say thank you to both of you for all of the time you've put into all of these new plans and presentations and Liz as well. Um it's exciting. So there's always with anything new there's you know, a a bit of hesitation but it's also very exciting and um exciting for the new jobs, exciting for Shakopee that you chose here to be your next home and exciting for Shakopee that you're going to keep developing that part of Shakopee. So a very exciting all around. I had um two questions. When you guys put your distribution center in Shakopee did you learn anything from because they're going on to 169 rather than 212 but it's still very small. Did you learn anything from that one on like what worked and what didn't that you'll be putting into place here? >> They're different kinds of facilities. So this yep, so that's a what we'd call a first mile facility. So you can kind of think of our network as kind of three stools three legs of the stool first, middle, and last mile. That's where all of the product is stored. So um it's it's difficult for us to say that we would learn something because the the operations are very different uh in the way that they operate. There are no delivery vans um and >> It's more semi's there. >> Yeah, there are more line hauls there. Yeah, and and uh the there's a lot a much larger uh employee population at that facility. >> perfect. I'm glad you specified that they're two different facilities cuz I've seen tons of semi's over there. It makes sense if they're bringing product to a you know, center. Then the last thing, I spent several years with Walmart and um distribution centers are a a key part of the Walmart business. And so they're, you know, located strategically where they should be. But one of the things that they had a do have a problem with is um vandalism and theft on their properties because people know that that's where product is and why would you not try to get that? Do you have any type of plan for securing I some of the other industrial parks in Chaska have come up with like gates and you know, security features and things like that. Even um as a city we found like our police vehicles should be in a parking ramp or a locked facility so that they stay um you know, safe and running well. Any of that kind of stuff? >> So so >> you? >> Yeah, so I'd say two things on that. One, this this facility won't carry product longer than really like 10 hours at a time. So when the product comes in from that sort of midnight to 6:00 a.m. hour online halls, it's already been packaged and so it's already being brought in off the truck from associates and being moved through the facility for dispatch. >> saying is it's literally just going onto its delivery truck. It's not sitting there for a long period >> There's nothing sorted. The facility is secured. There is a a loss prevention team that works on site at all times. We work with police department. Um Some sites do go through a site hardening process if that's the need. This market thankfully it doesn't show that that's required for us at all. >> Well, I'm not saying that it's a dangerous place. I was just saying will it strain public safety? That always was my question cuz I know some of the Walmart ones have had some tough times in the areas that they're at. So just in general and I was on the pharmacy side so we're talking more drugs but it in general um it was a concern and so I was thinking from a public safety perspective was there a plan to ensure that that kind of I mean not that they're not going to come and help you but that they're not called all night long. >> Yeah, we do so each of our loss prevention teams at launch they'll put together it's about a 40-page document that they'll share with the police department. What is in terms of our protocol inside we don't find at these particular facilities. I mean obviously there's occasionally there's disagreements with employees or there's challenges that happen on site, but by and large the you know the smaller employee size relative to Shakopee or these other locations we we don't see those challenges, but we certainly have a team that tries to tie in with the police department closely and then anytime you know we can give to or to to to life and safety in the site so that they know the lay of the land and what that looks like. >> Perfect. >> Okay. >> You took a lot of questions just because I some of the feedback I mean through some of the emails right is why can't this be done in Shakopee? You addressed that and which again it's good to know that you're different facilities, different type of facilities. Um so you answered that so appreciate that. The other question I'm just curious cuz I think as a consumer I'm curious. Does this enhance any of the services to residents like same-day delivery? Does that open up markets because some like if you're base close you know it's like with an hour's of delivery. Will that in for the Chaska residents increase like same-day delivery or within so many hours delivery? Do you is do you do you know that? Do you is that in the plan or anything? >> Yeah, having a facility like this in your backyard generally expedites delivery at a much faster rate. So I'm not typically if you're a prime member you're getting 24 hours 2 days or less in that promise. When we open a delivery station in communities we typically start seeing deliveries in 24 hours or less. You'll likely see expanded same-day delivery services well as a result of this. That's part and parcel because of broader investments that we're making in the metro area with those services, but you'll certainly see more access to products quickly. >> Can I ask one question before you go on uh taking on that? Is this going to have one of those pick up lockers where you can pick up your >> No, we don't do that at delivery stations. Um we don't obviously want folks to come on to the on to the site, but that's a great question, yeah. >> Uh well, I echo well, you know, I I didn't necessarily want to be the one that started throwing all the questions, but I do have a vested interest. It is a lot of my constituents are in that space. My neighbors are in that space. Um I do live like I said just down the road. I do appreciate the time and the effort and the visuals. Um you know, I get I I I you know, right? Because the good and the bad of who you are comes with a lot of baggage, right? And so I think asking those questions and being appropriate and answering which you which you did. Uh I appreciate. Um you know, I think it is you've heard it loud and clear like the worry is always going to be and there's going to be skepticism regardless of what you say or what you don't say of like what's going to go into the neighborhoods and I I get that. Um but again, I do appreciate you for looking at Chaska and the jobs and economic growth that it creates as well as just being, you know, frontal with like, "Hey, here's what we look at. We we can put these images together and that type of thing." So, um you know, when I I'm sure you love hearing when a council member is like, "Yeah, I'm in that neighborhood." And you're just waiting for all the questions that person comes from. But again, I appreciate you taking the time to be here and you know, representing and and and answering those questions. >> Absolutely. >> Anybody else have any questions or >> I think you know, I know that they're like council member Krad mentioned, you know, there're always concerns, right? What you know, well, how's this going to impact road safety, traffic? How's this going to impact the environment? How's this going to look be on the infrastructure of our community and our utilities? And so I think one of the things to kind of note is that you know, the process of planning this is to go through and evaluate all of those factors and make sure that um they're in compliance and um we have the additional factor of the green belt and um seeing that, you know, there's still some progress to be made to kind of fill in those gaps to make sure, but we do have stringent policy and we stick to that because we want to ensure that when you guys do come into this community that you are a valued partner to us and I know that you bring economic benefit, um but also being a valued partner to be, you know, cohesively residing in this community along with other um residents that have chosen Chaska and especially in that kind of southwest corner of Chaska that's still actively developing, you know, they're there cuz it is a little bit more rural in nature, but knowing that just as those homes got built, you know, maybe 5, 10 years ago or so that the other parts are developing as well that are adjacent to that. So, um I know it's always like a long and arduous process. I appreciate you guys coming in and seeing the um planning process or coming through and like you said, giving this presentation multiple times, um but uh asking these sort of questions and like I said, having that overall um conversation about what, you know, this being in the community and how how does this fit and what the impacts will be, whether positive, negative, or both. Thank you for taking the time for being here. So, um with that, does anybody have any other comments or questions for either staff or our applicant? >> I'll just say for our staff, I'll think back cuz I think um one thing that wasn't necessarily cemented in my mind is the Savannah Way collector completion. >> Mhm. >> Um cuz I think it's a good reminder is all everyone's in that neighborhood thinking about how they get around to like the schools an example. We're all basing that based on what exists today, right? >> Mhm. >> Um you know, I look you know at the map that Savannah Way connection to Spring Lake to the school to the trip to the Taco Bell space and everything like that. Um you know, makes a lot of sense and that doesn't exist today and and and I don't expect every resident to like know it cuz again I kind of forgot about the timing of that truthfully to know that. So, I think that's that was an important learning for me and I think you know, hopefully I will continue to share that and hopefully people are watching and >> that you gave me credit when it was Nate that brought it up. >> Well, you talked about the grading [laughter] of it. You take teams, you help. Because again I we we we Cuz we do we make all the judgments based on what exists today and how that's going to impact and I do think it's important to understand like what that plan is. Talked about the 212 interchange pieces. Um you know, cuz again I we we make those value judgments on traffic based on what we witness here today, but there are other things planned. So, I think that was a good add that wasn't in any of the material. >> the county road improvements. >> Correct. County road improvements. Yeah, that intersection for a person who Monday through Friday for the last X amount of years of school has taken a left turn onto Jonathan Carver for like >> Yeah. >> and had to sit there and like do this cuz the road doesn't come at it a good angle. >> come fast enough, right? >> It can't come fast. It'll be great. >> Yeah, it's all system improvement. I mean, when you look at Southwest Chaska on the east and the west side of the freeway um what was great about creating a master plan back in like 2014 is it gave us a road map of knowing where to go and now with like Savannah being put in the end of this summer. These improvements being done over in Big Woods, almost all those improvements have been done. And so then you really have that circulation around there that makes it safer and easier for people. >> Again, I I'll say which is a good message to hear because you know, the original reaction is panic of traffic based on what the current infrastructure we have to think about the future infrastructure and the timing lines up well, which is great. >> Yeah, that's wonderful. We appreciate you rounding back to that. Um in regards to this, so. All right. >> Put that in motion. >> Yeah, so is anybody want to make a motion? >> Motion to adopt resolution 2026-59 2026-60. Let's see, approving the Big Woods Business Park phase one. >> I think we have to do them separately, so. So, let's do >> Okay, 2026-59. >> Yes, thank you. So, we have a motion from Council Member Shevlin. >> Second. >> And a second from Council Member Hatfield. Um any other discussion? All right. All right. Well, all those in favor signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? All right, that motion is adopted and then I would entertain a motion to adopt We're going to go in order ordinance number 1081 approving the rezoning from rural residential to plan multi-use district. >> So moved. >> All right, so a motion from Council Member Benish. >> Second. >> And a second from Council Member Hatfield. All right, any other discussion? All right. All those in favor um signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? All right, the ordinance is adopted and then we have a third motion um to adopt resolution number 2026-60 approving the comprehensive plan amendment to allow for conservation cluster development guide the former Dahlgren Township parcels to be open space and business park and expand the metropolitan urban service area. >> So moved. >> All right, motion from council member Graff. >> Second. >> And second from council member Bennish. One discussion point, so I know this is got to go before the Met Council. That was one thing I guess I didn't think to ask. Is that Is that relation to the Musa line? Is that why? >> for the comp plan. >> Oh, yeah, that's right. The comp plan amendment. >> what the the comp plan amendment includes the expansion of Musa and also the land use change to account for the um the cluster development component within the green belt. >> Okay. >> Well, and on top of that, we couldn't do land use planning within Dahlgren Township um in the previous comp plan because we didn't have an orderly annexation with that. >> Sure. >> Um and so this establishes uh the land use planning for that area within what has now been annexed into the city. >> Okay. All right. Yeah, just wanted to make sure to spell that out cuz I remember that was one key point that you had put in there and I forgot to pull that that part out. So, all right. All right, any other discussion? All right, well, all those in favor uh signify by saying aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? All right, motion carries. All right, thank you for coming. >> Thank you. >> Have a wonderful evening. >> Can I ask a question about the When you annex something does it become city limits of Chaska then or is it always an annex of Dahlgren? >> No, it becomes city limits. >> So, does the tax base and the and the all that extend to that too then? >> Okay. >> You guys are doing great sticking it out here. I give you a lot of credit. I feel kind of bad that you chose this particular one. You always choose the first meeting of the month cuz that's non-planning items usually. >> If you decided to leave, we wouldn't really care. >> This will be the most riveting part of your evening though. So, we have 8D It is because Noelle gets to Noelle gets to take this away. Adopt resolution 2026-57 ratifying the sale of the Chaska EDA series 2026A bonds. >> Well, before I turn it over to Noelle, I will say I always like when we take up bond sales and I'm like super happy and smiley about it. Uh so, we we ended up doing very well in the market uh last week for our latest bond sale and uh uh Noelle can can go through and sort of >> Noelle's face doesn't look quite as excited as yours. He looks He [laughter] looks NERVOUS AND YOU'RE LIKE SMILING. >> OH, NO, NO. You know, we're both excited about this, but I'll turn over to Noelle to just sort of go through uh the process and then what what what came back. >> Good evening, Mayor, Council members. Appreciate the opportunity to bring before you tonight the action to ratify the bond sale that we completed last Wednesday, June 10th. This was proposed to be a 57,700,000 paramount bond for three or for three specific purposes. First one is the construction proceeds for MSB 2, which is currently under construction. The second part of it was to refinance the temporary financing we did a year ago when we acquired the site for MSB so that would be financed over a long-term basis. And then the third project is the rehab of the City Hall Plaza project area. So, all three of these um were um incorporated into one bond issue. Back in May 4th, we had a parameters resolution before the Council where you requested that the Chaska EDA proceed with the issuance of this debt on behalf of the city. So, this bond that was sold was actually completed within the parameters established and was issued by the Chaska EDA. The use of the EDA allows us to create a lease relationship where the city is pledging annual lease payments to the EDA over the 30-year term of the bonds and at the end of the bond the end of the bonds, then the city will take title of the property once again. So, as a part of the reaction you're taking tonight, you'll be ratifying the bond sale, but also authorizing the real estate transactions cuz some of the parcels pledged for the city hall plaza are in the name of the city and need to be transferred to the name of the EDA. And so, that's included in the actions in the resolution as drafted by bond counsel. With that, I want to go through a brief presentation. This is put together by Chris Holgate, who is the municipal advisor to the city of Chaska. She is with Baker Tilly and Miss Municipal Advisors. She could not attend tonight because she's actually reporting on the sale of another community who actually was in the market today. So, she had a busy schedule. Matt is correct. We had a very successful sale last Wednesday and for that reason the mayor as the president of the EDA and Matt as the executive executive director were able to sign off on the purchase agreement. So, the original par amount that we took to market was the 55 million. We've talked about the use of the proceeds, the security, which is the lease pledge, and then the bonds are going to be callable with a 10-year call. So, it's a 30-year bond and it'll be callable in about 10 years. And the reason we put this call provision in is so that as the outstanding bonds have a shorter maturity, you're moving forward on the yield curve. In the future, there's hopefully the anticipation that the interest rates will be lower for the shorter term bonds, and that's when we have opportunities to capture those debt service savings in the future. Just like you would refinance your home mortgage, by having the call provision after 10 years, we can look at that as a part of an annual analysis. So next page, please. Back in mid-April when we sized this bond, Chris Hogan made initial projection assuming that we'd have a TIC or true interest cost of 4.779%. That was the structure that we brought forward to counsel. She refreshed that estimate last week just before the sale. That's at 4.487%. Um the markets have been a little up and down. Inflation has been up. There was also the inflation report that came out last Wednesday. But overall, the markets the last few weeks have been rather favorable for issuance. I think Matt will even have some comments on that from his visit to New York recently. When we sold the bonds, the low bid was actually 4.399%, just under 4.4%. So with that, next slide. With that, we had very good results. Wells Fargo National Association was the winning bid with the 4.39% bid. The next lowest bidder was only one basis point higher. So they came in at 4.41%. That's a very That tells us that these bids are very competitive, and we actually had 1 2 3 4 5 6 bidders. And that gives us a good read of the market, cuz if If have three or more bidders, that's considered a competitive market. If we have less than three, then we have to go through some additional analysis with the municipal advisor to make sure that that those rates are consistent with the market. One other thing that I looked at when we went into the market last week is I get this weekly rate update from Baker Tilly and they always show on there a 5 10 15 30-year scale for municipal bonds that are triple A-rated. Our interest rate at the 4.39 was about 12 basis points higher than a triple A. So, that's a very tight spread and considering that that's triple A, we're double A and these bonds were rated at A- because they're lease revenue, not GO, we were very competitive in the market. So, this was a very successful sale. Chris was very pleased and she was very happy. Matt was very happy when we gave him the results on He actually joined us online when they opened the bids so he could see the final results. >> to join in the joy. >> Okay. >> I mean, it's to give you a sense, I mean, compared to what we were sort of planning the building program around or at least I was, compared to what we got for interest rates, I mean, it's it's over $150,000 savings a year. I mean, it's significant when you're talking about this. So, uh the other part that Noel had mentioned, I was out in New York last Monday with MNPA because we uh had to do a rating call with because we're actually going out for selling debt and we haven't done it for 10 years. Our banker that I talked that we work with, I asked him cuz it was the day before our sale, I said, "Do you know that we're in the market?" He goes, "Oh, I saw I saw it on the calendar." I said, "How do you think we're going to do?" He goes, "You guys are going to do really good." So, and it gets back to what Noel is talking about, the last two weeks of uh debt sale on the market has really been favorable. So, we couldn't have timed this any better. >> Sometimes luck is the best way to sell a debt. >> That's what just does. >> Next slide, please. What we're showing here is just a revised structure. I want to just go through a couple things. We go to market with a general par amount of 55,380,000. When the bids came in, some of the short-term bonds were bid with a premium. That way they can put a higher coupon for when they have to resell that to the secondary market. As a result of that, we generated about a million 89,000 of premium. Typically, we do not keep that premium. What we do is we reduce the size of the bond issue. Um we because we still generate the same amount of proceeds we need for construction, but we can reduce the size of the bond and reduce future debt service. We can't We released most of that premium except for 500,000. We kept that portion for the City Hall Plaza project cuz as you heard earlier tonight, we had about 3.5 million for financing. The bids came in at 3.6. When we structured this, we structured around a 4 million knowing that if we didn't need that extra half million, we can shift that over to the MSB 2 project to cover any contingencies or FF&E or other needs that might arise. So, there's three different projects here and the two of them we can move bond proceeds back and forth. So, we'll monitor that during the outstanding debt period. So, as you can see >> Yeah, we actually got the bids back on the City Hall Plaza literally the day after uh we sold the bonds here. So, but it I I think we kept it pretty conservative with the 500,000 uh just to make sure we had enough, but we will have plenty. >> The structure here just shows that this is going to be a 30-year bond. Um, it is callable after 10 years and there are term bonds at the end. What they're doing there is the underwriters are saying like, you know, I'm going to take these last 5 years, you know, 26 through 30 and just roll them into one bond that will mature in 2030. That makes it easier for large institutional buyers like insurance companies to buy that long-term bond because they're buying a larger par amount. The trustee will collect that service funds each year, hold that in reserve and then pay that out on that 30th year. So, this is a very normal structure to see as a part of the process. Next page. Prior to the issuance of this debt, we did meet with S&P who is the bond rating agency. We did have two of their analysts come out on site and visit us on May 4th. This gave us the afternoon. I know Elise, you were a part of that presentation that day to actually share with them what our building program is, how we have raised levies to support that program over 4 years, what we have done to increase our general fund fund balance for five consistent years and set aside the 300,000 a year that we're putting aside in our general fund budget to help provide those necessary reserves to support the bond rating. Those were the types of things we reviewed with them, but then we also took a tour of the city and shared with them what are the plans so they could actually see the public safety where we had the meeting, we're see the site for MSP2, we talked about the library down here in downtown, we had a chance to see the downtown area, the future plans for city hall as the fourth building. We got a chance to share with them the new developments that have come with the new residential rooftops as well as a lot of the green fields for the new industrial parks like we were just discussing tonight. So, these two analysts had not been out to the city before. >> They're moving here now, right? >> What's that? >> I said that they're moving here now, right? >> They They were very impressed. They They They appreciated what they saw. Um the last time we had the analyst here was 10 years ago in 2015, and that analyst is still with S&P and is the supervisor for these two. So, they knew about Chaska, but I think it was really good for them to have an experience to actually see and understand what it is that um Chaska is. We I think they left understanding that our electric fund is unique for the city, that that provides us some cash flow support that normally you wouldn't see in a city that didn't have that extra cash flow. And so, I think they left very well understanding how we operate and why we're able to support this debt the way we do. >> You should have taken them to the community center so they could have given us another bond for roofing. >> We actually We actually did go through the community center, and we did talk about that. That will be a future uh plan that we are going to be looking at as a funding need in the future, but the focus right now was the building program, and then that would be teed up next. >> I love it. >> And the fact that they understood that we're doing these long-range plans helps support the bond rating. They actually in the credit report that's in the packet, they actually talked about the ongoing 5-year planning process, the uh the anticipation of growth, and keeping up with our infrastructure. The fact that we're building this water treatment plant, that we're going to be back to you with another bond sale in about a month, um is really showing that we are planning for that future growth so we don't get caught from, you know, behind the growth curve. And so, that's actually discussed in that credit report, that that planning is a strength of the city. And when you've got those types of strong um comments in the report, it makes it very receptive for underwriters who are looking at our deal to be positive about it and then get the type of competitive bids that we actually saw. >> That's amazing. >> Next page. So, I was talking a little bit here about the credit rating. We've talked about the budgetary changes that we've made, the commitment to the planning process. Two of the things that they do like to always reported the bond rating report is what factors could affect an upgrade. Right now, with the bond rating is double A minus with a stable outlook. Things that could improve our overall position would be if we continue to build our reserves and have sufficient cash flow and demonstrate that we're meeting the lease applications that the city has pledged to the EDA each year as we start this 30-year repayment period. Factors that could potentially be a downgrade either in the outlook or the rating would be if we weren't able to maintain those reserves in our fund balance. So, that's why we do address that as a part of our annual budgeting process for our operating funds. Or if there was a significant change in our debt load. A lot of our debt is coming off very quickly over the next 10 years. Some of that's related to our downtown street program. We've shared with S&P the fact that we're taking a pause and then there'll be another street replacement program in the in the near future. When that debt starts rolling off, there'll be new improvement bonds for that next phase of the street. And again, they anticipate that as we plan for that, we'll maintain reasonable debt levels. Next page, please. >> Can I ask a quick question now? >> Yes. >> The the bonding tour that we had discussed with like Lucy Ream and Julia Coleman and all that for City Square West, is that anything related to this bonding issuance that we just went through? >> Those projects were not a part of this bonding. >> Okay. >> I know what you're trying to communicate is who is the city of Chaska, what is the specific project, what's the benefit of that project. That's the similar intent of what we trying to do with the analyst from S&P so that they would understand who the city is, what we're trying to do, and how we're trying to do it. And so, that's where the tour we can tell them there's a green field we're going to build some businesses. When they can see, oh, it's on an intersection on the Highway 212. This is the actual, you know, area, it makes it real. And then when we show them the concept plans, it begins to they can link those two together. In a way, those analysts are our advocate when they go into rating committee at S&P because they're then saying, here's all the analytics we've done. We've done all the metrics to do, you know, to calculate the ratios. Now, here's the story and why we feel this is a strong credit. So, they very much are conveying our story on our behalf to the rating committee. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, before you tonight is a resolution. This is the resolution by the city that will ratify the sale. The sale is already done. We've committed to the underwriter. We signed the sales agreement last weekend. But under the parameters resolution, we're obligated to bring the results back to council and report them to you. There will be a similar action later tonight as a part of the EDA agenda when they will actually ratify the actual sale resolution later tonight. So, with that, if there's any other questions, I'd be happy to entertain that. >> Anybody have any questions for Noel? >> I appreciate the presentation. Um kind of breaking everything down, talking about, you know, the three different entities of this particular and and uh bond sale, and then, you know, kind of work that [clears throat] goes into it, and also the rating tour. Um I did not realize that it was so in-depth. >> I didn't either. >> Oh, yeah. I I mean, if you consider what they have riding on it. >> Take their little magnifying glass. >> Yeah, it's >> around at home, Chris? >> No. >> You should have given him a free round of golf. They got their their little calculators. >> Yeah. At at the end of the day, the only thing they care about is numbers. >> They do. >> Yeah. >> But you've got to be thinking that makes money, too, when you >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> No, I mean, I appreciate um we're always in good hands with you, Noel. So, thank you for all of your hard work. >> It's it's really a joy to be a part of the this city staff team. There's a great group in finance, but then they're also working across departments to pull these projects together, because it's a team effort to figure out the scope of the project, what the costs are, and then try to put those, you know, numbers on the street to get financing for them. So. >> Yeah, and it is such an intermoving puzzle, right? And you want to make sure you kind of hit things at the right time. And it is huge savings, you know, $150,000 over the course. It's huge. So. >> yeah. >> Yeah, just appreciate your insight and your knowledge uh and just your history of of good work. >> Thank you. Well, I'll ask for action on this one, and we'll be back next month to do the next one. >> Sounds good. >> Thank you. >> All right. So, with that um motion to adopt resolution 2026- 57 ratifying the sale of the lease revenue bonds series 2026A by the Economic Development Authority of Chaska and authorizing the execution of related documents. >> Did I Did I read the right thing? >> I think that's the EDA meeting one. >> Oh, my bad. >> Cuz we have EDA next. >> I know. >> the city council. >> Yeah. >> That's right. >> Am I right? >> It's I didn't hear the first part, but it should be the city council motion to >> I think I >> adopt resolution 2026-57. >> Yeah, that's what you said. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> ratifying the sale. >> All right. >> So moved. >> All right. I'm sorry. It just threw me off there. >> [snorts] >> All right. So we have a motion from Councilmember Hatfield. >> Second. >> And a second from Councilmember Grau. Any other discussion? All right. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed? Motion carries. Okay. All right. That moves us out of It moves us out of our action items. For those that are still tuned in with us. And that moves us on to bills. Anybody have a question on um the bills? >> I just have one quick question. Um on page one, Alpha Wireless Communications, so City Hall door access wiring and some readers and more access wires. Does that mean it's going to be fobs? >> Well, sort of. Uh we actually do have them on our doors now. Um so it's it's like a little thing they have on our key that we can >> Okay. That's what I was hoping it was because I just felt pretty >> We just had to wait until uh our past mayor left. >> [laughter] >> I know cuz I got a key fob. Okay, perfect. Well, that's very exciting. So I was excited to see that on That was my only question. >> Whether or not it's programmed to open the door as a whole or not. >> [laughter] >> No, I don't think I don't know if it's a question, but I just saw that there was like beaver relocation or removal. How often do we have to do that? >> Uh so >> But it was it real real life beaver? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> And in fact If the on the wooden boardwalk on the north side of the lake, there's probably a fair chance you'll see a beaver like with like a couple feet of you. >> They're always there, but they're muskrats, the little kind. >> Uh no, there's beavers over there, too. And beavers are very destructive. >> Yeah, they are very destructive. >> they take down trees pretty easily and so we have to relocate them or else it just it destroys stuff. >> Yeah. I just I just thought that was >> like rat looking things that with a skinny tail? >> They're they're big and they're long. >> flat skinny and whatnot. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I've seen the little ones that >> There are also otters in there. >> There there's otters. There >> probably thinking of the otters. >> And there's muskrats and there's stuff like that, but the beavers are big. >> I've never seen cute but destructive. >> [laughter] >> No, anyways, I was just tickled when I saw that on there. So. >> Sounds like an interesting beaver. >> Yeah, I was going to say, how do you like to be the guy that's doing it? >> guy that's >> I know. Well, he was getting paid well, so. >> for [laughter] them to go and you hope they stay there. >> But do you have to pick them up and like move them? >> Yeah. >> He probably put them in a live trap. >> They put them in a trap. Yeah. >> It's not like you take them off on a leash or something. >> Well, that's how I do it if I did. >> [laughter] >> Special whistle pipe that you summon the beaver. [laughter] Stop. >> Has that on a more serious has that is that what's taking down all those trees on that road? >> Yes. >> Or it wasn't the little muskrat guy that's always swimming around. >> No, it's the beavers. And it's not the only place we have it, but it's the most noticeable by the >> Yeah, he's taking down a bunch of trees in the last couple years. >> Yeah. >> So, anyways. Just [clears throat] just thought that was fun to see in a way. But not fun. Okay. Anybody else have a question on the bill? All right. Hearing none, I'd make motion to I I'll make a motion to pay the bills. How about that? >> Second. >> All right. So, we have a motion from uh the mayor and a second from Councilmember Benish. Uh roll call, please. >> Councilmember Hatfield? >> Yes. >> Councilmember Benish? >> Yes. >> Councilmember Schevlin? >> Yes. >> Councilmember McGraw? >> Aye. >> Mayor Howard? >> Aye. >> All right. Bills are paid. All right, that moves us on to other business. Michaela or Councilmember Hatfield, sorry. We'll start with you. >> Um just really quick things. Uh super bummed about the farm first farmers market getting canceled, but you guys it's going to happen this week. The weather's going to be good. >> to rain all week. >> No. >> The weather looks good this week. >> It looks amazing. I'm so excited. [laughter] Um Um, did though get the opportunity to get some um really amazing bread and scones from a vendor that was supposed to be there. She posted on Facebook and did porch pick up and it was delicious. So, she's going to be there on Thursday. So, if you love sourdough anything, she's going to have it there. You should definitely go to her booth. So, um very excited for the farmers market. Uh, and then to also excited for Chasco Rocks coming up on Saturday. Both Reese Glover and The Arch Allies. I'm really excited for Reese. Like his music is phenomenal. I'm excited for both, but Reese is like really good music. He's the opener. So, um that'll be fun. And then really the final thing is just Happy Father's Day with that coming up to all the dads. So, that's all I had. >> Great report. All right, Council Member Benish. >> Uh, not much. Just looking forward to Chasco Rocks on Saturday and hoping make it out there with the whole family and have a good time. So. >> Cool. All right. And um it goes towards a good cause. So. >> Yep. >> All right, Council Member um Shavon. >> I actually have nothing other than to say Happy Father's Day to all the dads. >> All right. Good report. >> I think I remember that Mother's Day was a really nice sunny day, warm. >> Beautiful. >> Now Father's Day 59 and rainy. >> You never know. It was like this week. >> I just got corrected. >> Last week it happened. >> that it wasn't going to rain this week. So. >> I think he was being sarcastic. >> [laughter] >> Optimistic. >> Yeah. >> All right, Council Member Bra. >> Uh, couple questions just because it came up a few times in the interviews for the downtown business. What's the update with Cooper's and the and the grocery store? I forget what the name is called. Just >> La Bodeguita. >> Yes. What's the update there? What are you >> Yeah, Julie talked to them what 2 weeks ago? It wasn't long ago that she talked to them because we wanted to just sort of get a update on where they're at. My sense is that things have not changed for them much. Uh that you know, they were pretty dramatically impacted financially from the surge Metro surge had happened. And with their Richfield store that and probably the reason they were most impacted is because it happened right after they opened. And uh so I think until they get themselves back on their feet, I think it's going to be tough for them to move forward is my guess. >> Okay. That's fair. So, hard to hear but understandable. >> But do they already take over that building? >> They own it. They own it. Yeah. They definitely own it. >> They just have to sink costs into renovation. >> Um another question I I'm not sure if it's related to the city or if it's just homeowners, but on Hutter Mark that stretch of all the hedge that's all chopped down several like what is that? >> I have no idea. >> I have a little bit of >> Well, it's the Jonathan It's the Jonathan Association. >> Yeah, it's the Jonathan Association. >> doing it. I My >> I'm curious to know. >> What's that? >> I know. >> Okay, good. >> I'm curious. It's very dramatically. It sticks out as you're driving down that road. It's like what is going on here? >> All right. >> It was a Jonathan Association effort. As a resident of the association, there is an email that did go out that talked about I guess it's maintenance of that hedge and trying to reestablish flowering lilac bushes making them >> So, the intent is going to grow back? >> Yeah. >> But they didn't just prune it. They whacked it. I mean it's not >> Correct. Yeah, they literally just chopped them >> [laughter] >> I mean I'm assuming they have someone knows what they're doing. >> We encourage any further questions go to the Jonathan Neighborhood Association. >> I I I will say that they started on the far east side and then moved their way west over like a two to three week period. And I will say that the ones that are on the far east side look like they're actually growing back. So >> Yeah, it's just >> It is very dramatic. >> It's very dramatic. >> Yeah, I was like that. Um and that is the way I was going down that road as my last point. So, um the Baseball [clears throat] Association held the chat held hosted the Chaska Classic this week which uh was at Pioneer, Lions, and Community. Uh 56 teams uh played games uh Friday started Friday afternoon cuz in the baseball world uh parents don't work anymore on Fridays it appears cuz these games are always on Friday afternoons. Uh and then Saturday into Sunday which uh last year was a bad weekend cuz it rained. This week was like the most amazing weekend ever for for baseball. So, 56 teams come kind of some notable things. Two teams from Bismarck went my 11-year-old played up team from Bismarck and they had some connection back here. But yeah, they came all the way from Bismarck uh out here for the first time and they actually had a 11 AAA team and I think a 10 AAA team come from Bismarck. Um and then another fun fact I shared with Leo which is just kind of fun. Uh if you would have stumbled across Pioneer uh Park baseball fields on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday you would have seen a Hall of Famer named Joe Mauer who was uh here attending because he coaches his son. Um and you know, for the record uh I saw lots of pictures of people. I mean, he's got to know that everyone's going to know who he is. Uh and everyone told him like he's just awesome. I mean, he's there coaching his son which sometimes it's like let him be a dad, right? Um but I guess when you're Joe Mauer and you're a Hall of Famer who had to play for the Minnesota Twins at the time you don't always get to be a dad. Sometimes you have to be both. So, >> Was his team Was his team good? >> Uh I don't know. I I I I do know where the Chaska team played them. I don't know if they beat them or not. Um but yeah, just you know, and again I think I I shout out to the the cities and the schools and the crew. Fields looked great. They were in great condition. Um you know, we've been lucky enough. I know um rain during the week cancels things but rain during the week makes it a little bit of a less of a dust bowl out there, which is always good. But yeah, I think the city showed well. You're right. I saw Oh, Sunday morning trying to get Dunkin' Donuts. Oh my gosh. I don't go to coffee shops. I'm not a coffee drinker. I was being a very nice husband on record. Um and thinking [laughter] to myself, "How do you Uh and I just after going "How do people do this? This place is packed and I'm sick of waiting already." And they were doing a great job. They're working through, but I mean there was a line outside of the drive-thru. Um which could be a mix of a lot of things, but I'll just say a lot of I mean people getting their coffee before baseball and stuff like that, too. So, I think the city showed well. I think it's it was it was fun. Um the association the 12s count on the program. Uh the 12th appearance as a fundraiser. So, yeah, 56 teams and you know, kind of a good show. So, um things to come. We think about adding fields and adding teams. My son actually at one point of conversation, my son asked me because I pointed out that next This was as 11s. This is his last year playing in the Charleston Classic because when you're 12, you run the tournament because that's how you help fundraise with concessions to go on a trip. And then there's no 13s and 14s. And he said, "Dad, is the reason there's no 13s and 14s in the tournament because we don't have enough fields?" And I said, "Yes, that's 100% the reason. We don't have bigger field. We just are a little more limited. We have basically Lions could be used there, but that gets used for the 10s. And then you have the one at community um as well. You could it it would be hard the bigger field like um Veterans is really big bigger for like the 14s. >> You can't use the high school? >> Uh I don't think Well, high school would be 14s cuz it's the bigger bases. >> What's bigger bases? >> So, yeah. Lots of different field sizes. But, so you know, with the expansion in Southwest, there could be opportunities to add a bracket there, which I think would bring in, you know, even more teams to it. So, super fun. But yeah, great weather. It was like masterfully planned and it was fun to to see. It's just always fun to see people coming into your community and you know, comment like we talked to them we played Bismark and we talked to their coaches and they're like, "Well, where's your high school facility? Where is Where are they playing? Is this the main facility?" So, they had a lot of questions and they I think were pretty impressed with kind of the makeup of the the spaces and uh machine. You know, I love truthfully love Lions Park's uh the remodel down there. That shows awesome now with the shelter and the concessions and um the sounds of pickleball in the background and you know, parking too. So, yeah. >> one. I was thinking of Pioneer. Yeah. >> Pioneer's next on the list. Pioneer could >> Pioneer's a nice one. >> Pioneer's okay. Pioneer doesn't water well. >> It floods all the time. It floods all the time. Yeah. >> That's the problem with Pioneer. >> Unfortunately, Pioneer's not ours. >> Yeah, that's why. >> [laughter] >> So, shout out to school. Uh but, yeah. Pioneer Pioneer is a great space. Uh it's got sheet. It doesn't hold water well. So, like last year when >> It's in a Yeah. >> last year when it rained actually they canceled >> Mhm. >> part of the tournament because we couldn't I spent a lot of hours trying to pump water out of those fields. Um and unfortunately it didn't work. But, >> What did you guys use to pump? I was thinking of like a bike pump or something. >> I actually I had a parent tell me that it was the worst weekend he had all week all last year cuz he made three cuz he was grounds crew and he took three trips to Plymouth to buy pickup loads of 40-lb bags of quick dry. >> Mhm. >> Um because we kept running out of quick dry cuz try to try to >> Sounds like a day of Christmas in May. >> Yeah. So, yeah. I know. So, but yeah. Great stuff. Uh just want to give a shout out to all those involved and and and I get I think it's just awesome for the city to kind of showcase our facilities as and parks. >> It'd be really cool if we also had a swimming pool with this kind of weather. >> Uh it's not hot enough. It was cold all night. No, it's not. >> [laughter] >> It rained. That's all I have sweetie. I appreciate it. Thank you. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, I did. >> I will talk about that until like none of you can go ahead. >> We need to keep talking about it. >> That's all right. I'm good. >> Great. Great report. All right. Matt. >> Uh the only thing I'll mention is and I put it in bi-weekly too, but a reminder that July 4th fireworks will be on July 1st, which is the Wednesday right before the 4th of July weekend. So we'll be getting out advertisement in the public. The you know, the hope is is that we'll be able to catch a lot of people before they go out for the 4th of July weekend for that, but uh >> And you have personal interest in it this year though. >> Yeah, the 4th is on Saturday. The biggest The reason we can't have it on the 4th is because it's the 250th and our fireworks company basically said you guys are too small. We have We have bigger customers that we need to to serve for, so >> been perfect cuz it was weekend to keep it on the 4th, but that makes sense. >> Yep, so it would have been cost prohibitive for us to to do it on the 4th. So we decided on the 1st. Hopefully catch people before they leave for the weekend if it's a long weekend, but we'll be getting out advertisement out of that. >> Yeah, I appreciate that. I think too I appreciate I've seen some of the information come out and just a little bit of confusion over like the why and I think people Some people are under the understanding that we just kind of last minute went to our regular vendor was like, "Oh yeah, by the way, you know, we're going to do fireworks." These things are long in advance, but what happened is that just with the 250th anniversary, it was majorly cost prohibitive, which is really a painful painful decision. >> Well, and we use the same >> and have to even like have to even evaluate. I mean, and then and that's the thing is that we're just, you know, we're we we kind of got passed by a little bit by our vendor, but >> They're like bonus fireworks. You get all these fireworks >> Yeah, I mean, they're all there. >> I mean, you can do Fire and Ice >> I mean, one good thing is is that the next weekend is Fire and Ice and we have two shows that I'll still put up against our four show any day of the week. I mean, they're really good 4th of July or really good uh fireworks shows. But yeah, I mean, it's it's unfortunate. I mean, we've been working with the same vendor for 26, 27 years. Um but I get it. I mean, it's this happens only once every 25 years that people care about it. You know, that or 50 50 years that people care about it. Yeah, but uh our expectation is we go back to what we have next year. >> Yeah, no, I appreciate it. I just think that that was something that was important to touch on was that wasn't just some sort of like, oh, you know, we just last minute came to them just expecting that they were going to do and then they were like, "Sorry." So, we went somewhere else, you know, it was no, this was just going to be plainly >> appropriated. >> Yeah, they >> We were trying to figure out, how do we how do we figure this out? Like, what is like what's the why is this use of taxpayer money, you know? And so, it's just painful decisions just needed to >> Yeah, and I mean, it was it was something that I mean, they talked to us about it months ago. I mean, it was in 2025 that they talked to us about it. Um and we did, you know, sort of toy with, well, do we just pay more, but it was like a lot more. >> Matt didn't like my idea of doing a drone show instead, so. >> Well, we actually did check out the drone show. >> I was like, I didn't even know if you even >> Yeah, we we checked out sort of the alternatives that were out there, um and that didn't really work out either, so. >> No, so it sucks, but it is, but you're right, we >> We do get to enjoy fireworks more than just on the 4th of July in this community. I'm not to take away from the importance of the 4th, but >> Well, and we're still doing them. >> We're We're still doing it. Just Yeah. >> And I I do know that other communities, it's not unusual for communities to do it. Like, I know Minnetonka for a >> Well, Waconia's doing theirs on Saturday. They're doing it the day before, too. >> Yep. And I know Plymouth has done it for years in conjunction with the Minnesota Orchestra, and they'll do it like a non-4th of July day, but it might be like the 5th or 6th. >> Yeah. >> And it's And it's purely a cost thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. And hopefully folks will be able to enjoy maybe if they really like the 4th is the tradition that they can vote, you know, enjoy another community's fireworks for this year temporarily, but still enjoy ours on the 1st, and you know, and next year will be >> Well, Rob Rob just said that all people have to do is just get bigger fireworks to shoot off in their at their own home, and I'm sure >> [laughter] >> that he would love that. >> calls, cuz I'm sure that he would just love to be responding to those kind of calls. So, be safe, people. >> Yes. >> Um okay. Thank you for elaborating on that. I think that was important to talk about. Uh anything else, Matt? >> Nope. >> Okay. Kristoff? All right. Nate? >> I'm good. >> You're good? Yeah? Elise? All right. Um okay. Just a couple of things. KPMG, the Women's PGA Championship is coming up between now and the next meeting. So, that will be exciting. Lots of fun activities being held at Hazeltine. Um and there's some tourism kind of floating around the area. So, I sure hope that visitors make their way through Chaska, um eat at some of the restaurants, shop at some of the shops, and just enjoy our Chaska charm out here. So, Pride Picnic is on Saturday. Oh, I did not write the date down. >> The 27th. It's at Lions Park this year. So, there is a venue change and it's from 3:00 to 6:00 p.m. Um still same kind of thing format as far as just a little bit of music, some arts and crafts, and some, you know, fun activities, family-oriented fun and and So, that's down at Lions Park this year. So, >> Will there be tie-dying again? >> Okay. >> Of course, the staple of tie-dye. I learned the last 2 years not to volunteer at that table, though. Fingernails couldn't take it. Um Chaska Cubs, I went to a game Oh my gosh, it was an exciting game. So, if you talk about baseball games, right? So, they were they were playing Shakopee and they were down like the pretty much the whole game but like maybe one run or so and then the ninth bottom of the ninth inning, they tie it up. Um they cuz uh one of the I can't remember who but they hit a home run, right? And um the they put um and then another person hit a double, next player. And so, they put a pinch runner on there on second and then the other guy was up to bat and he hits a really good hit and the pinch runner starts running and he was rounding towards third and then he falls. Falls and it was like, "Oh my gosh." And so, he quick gets up and he starts running towards home and he slid and he was still safe. And it was amazing. I mean, it was just electric and they won. It was awesome. So, anyways, as you can tell, I went to the game and had a great time. Um but they had mentioned to me that they do have some upcoming volunteer opportunities for the All-Stars games that they they are hosting there. Um and they also have a golf fundraiser coming up for just the club organizations. So, they said the best thing to do is check out the website for details. So, uh chaskacubs.com. I I plugging it for them, Chris, I hope you're watching. Okay. Uh Um Fiber optic installation. I just want to touch on this cuz I got a phone call from an a resident and this is not the first one and will not be the last one this summer who is like pretty confused and yeah, frustrated because they had their yards dug up last year and now they're turning around and they're being dug up again this year. And so one of the things I wanted to do was just talk about that people if they have questions over fiber optic that they're always welcome to call. Um they can call me, they can call city. We are always welcome to talk through things, but we also have a webpage on our website. It's under city hall, under city departments, under our engineering department labeled fiber internet projects and it is a info page that talks about which companies are working right now, what does it mean to have the right away, what does it mean to have an easement, and what are some frequently asked questions cuz I think that sometimes some of these folks just are like and they have the companies coming up to them and asking them like can we go here and do this? And I just think if there's any questions that we are we have a dedicated um person on our staff, Alex, who can help guide through things. And the one of the thing is we cannot stop any company from going into the right away. That's part of that for that installation work, but they do have to permit because they do have to do restoration work. And if that is not being done, we will hold them accountable. So please reach out to us. >> What did you say the website was just because it's >> It's on our website, but it's under it's under the engineering page under the city departments and it's fiber optics page. So >> [clears throat] >> not that I try to pass people off to just an internet page, but it has a lot of really good information on it. So >> cuz I've gotten a couple. >> But there are times when uh residents have things that they're just like this doesn't sound right. I just highly encourage them call. We'll put them in contact with Alex. >> Yeah. >> Alex gets back to him really quickly and a lot of times can help sort through those those issues that otherwise you know, can get people confused or angry or whatever >> you have somebody that's a subcontractor that's out there and they're like, "Why I don't know, you're just supposed to sign this." And it's like, "My boss isn't here." And it's like, "No, no. Everyone needs to slow down." And yeah, make sure make sure it's something that's supposed to be happening. So. >> Yep. >> Okay, so that's it. Otherwise um next meeting is June 29th and no meeting on July 6th. I think I just want to mention that now. But anybody have anything else for the good of the group? Otherwise, I would entertain a motion to adjourn. >> Motion to adjourn. >> All right. Oh, and happy Father's Day. Um all right, so I have a motion from Council [laughter] Member Hatfield my >> Martin, thank you. >> [laughter] >> UM BUT YES. OKAY, SO A MOTION FROM Council Member Hatfield. >> Second. >> And a second from Council Member Graff. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed? All right, we are adjourned. Thank you guys. >> Well, you got one more meeting TO GO. >> YEAH, WE DO HAVE AN EDA MEETING, but I don't think you're obligated to have to stay for that. >> I will I will make sure you should make sure your troop leader knows that you stay. >> Yeah. I will say They do get called or they do get called. Or they got lucky last week with a 10-minute win. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you guys. >> Thank you. >> All right, so um we are going to go right into and I'm assuming unless the lights flicker in this room from Krista, we are okay to go right into the Chaska Economic Development Authority here. So, I call this meeting to order for the Chaska EDA. Roll call, please. Commissioner Hatfield >> Here. >> Commissioner Benish >> Here. >> Commissioner Shoven >> Here. >> Commissioner Grove >> Here. >> President Hubbard >> Here. Okay, so all right, that moves us on to the adoption of the agenda. Does anybody have any questions or additions to the agenda? >> Motion to adopt the agenda. >> thank you. I have a motion from Commissioner Benish. >> Second. >> I have a second from Commissioner Hatfield. Um All those in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? All right, the agenda is adopted and that moves us along to approval of the previous meeting minutes. These meeting minutes were from May 4th of 2026. Does anybody have any additions or corrections to the minutes? >> Motion to approve previous meeting minutes. >> so I have a motion from Commissioner um Shoven. >> Second. >> I have a second from Commissioner Grove. Any other discussion? All right, all those in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? All right, previous meeting minutes are adopted and then that moves us along. We have two discussion items tonight. First is 5A, which is approval of the purchase agreement with the American Legion for property. >> Uh Madam President Commissioners, the item in front of you tonight has to do with our City Hall Plaza uh work that we're doing and property that that we've been working to try to incorporate into that. I will turn it over to Nate who can talk about uh what what property we're getting. >> All right. >> President Commissioners, the yeah, the item in front of you tonight is a purchase agreement with the American Legion. Um generally I can describe it and I'll show a visual uh soon. Um as the the walkway area that goes behind uh the American Legion building, kind of between the History Center and American Legion. There's a fence that blocks off some uh HVAC and other mechanical equipment that the that belongs to the Legion. Um so in exchange for that property uh well, I guess let me back up. The reason why we're doing that is part of the City Hall Plaza Improvement Project. Um that area that I'm talking about generally functions as the plaza and so that'll be part of those improvements. Uh currently the Legion owns that property and the city has access to it with an easement. Um it's kind of right-size that ownership to the use. It's more of the public plaza use that happens there than it is Legion use. Um it makes sense to transfer that ownership um to the city and to the EDA. It also helps with the financing for the project so that um the property that's being improved is can be pledged against the bonding um for the project. Um so we've worked with the Legion throughout the process um to create a purchase agreement where the city where the EDA would gain ownership of that property. Um it's really kind of a trade in exchange for improvements to that fence that um that winds up against that HVAC and um and screens it um from the users of that public space. Uh we'll make improvements to that. And so and and therefore we'll swap that property. An easement will remain in part on that property to allow for the Legion to continue to have the outdoor seating that they have and ensure that that they're able to do that going forward. Um in some degree it's a little bit redundant um because uh we we allow users downtown to utilize uh you know, city space. Lot Hermosa is an example. There's no formal agreement there with them. Um but in this case it'll formalize that ability for the Legion. That was important for them to make sure that they can do that. So um let me just share quickly so you can see clearly uh the property that we're talking about. So you can see the American Legion property in red here. The acquisition area is this orange hatched uh space that generally aligns with um the walkway uh area that that currently exists today. So, that's it. >> All right. >> Any questions? We're just looking for a motion to authorize uh the city administrator or I'm sorry, yeah. Well, you'd be the executive director in this case, right? And the president uh to sign the purchase agreement. And then we'll move forward um quickly in the next couple weeks to execute on that closing. >> Does anybody have any questions for Nate or comments? I mean, I I appreciate the you know, work and effort. I think it's been great. American Legion's been really great to work with in regards to this whole project, and I think the improvements are mutually beneficial for the activation of the plaza as well as just some of the screening and elements that will be a benefit to them over there as well. So, I'm really glad that this worked out. We're we're able to kind of have a you know, kind of a more finished product out here with the plaza as part of that. So, thank you to the Legion for being a great partner in this. >> Agreed. >> I know. I'm kind of running out of steam here. Okay. Well, all right. Since there's not a ton of discussion um other than appreciation, uh I would I'd entertain a motion to authorize president and executive director to sign the purchase agreement. >> So moved. >> All right. So, we have a motion from Commissioner Hatfield. >> Second. >> And a second from Commissioner uh Benish. Any other discussion? Am I pausing here? Okay. I'm going to just take like a 30-second pause for all commission members. >> [laughter] >> Sorry. >> No, you're okay. So, we just we're there's a motion on the floor and a second for authorization of the president and executive director to sign a purchase agreement between the city and American Legion for the plot of space that um it is over here in the plaza to help with the plaza improvements. So, okay. >> All right. Any questions? Okay, any discussion? All right, so all right, with that then all all those in favor uh signify by saying I. I. Opposed? All right, motion carries. All right, and then that moves us on to our second action item, which is um 5B, the adopt the resolution EDA 2026-58 ratifying sale of the Chaska EDA series 2026 agency bonds. >> So, I will make this one really simple. It's the exact same thing you heard in the council meeting and uh we have to have the EDA also adopt the or execute on the the bonds as well. >> Sure. So, Nolan doesn't want to give up the presentation one more time cuz it was so good. And you know that I know you know you know that he's going to end up somewhere in like 10, 15 years or whatever. >> [laughter] >> No, I'll be here to do, you know, cuz it was so riveting up here, but no. Um all right, well, that being I mean, yeah, to be said that we had just talked over this series. So, I don't know if anybody has any questions that weren't addressed in the first go-around, otherwise this is pretty easy. Um so, motion to adopt the resolution 2026-58. >> So moved. >> All right, so a motion from Commissioner Hatfield. >> Second. >> A second from Commissioner Banish. It's like Groundhog Day over there. All right, any other discussion? All right, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. Opposed? All right, Uh carries. I can bang the gavel one more time tonight. Um all right, and that leads us on to other business. Does anybody have anything that they would like to discuss EDA related? All right, I'm hearing tons. So, if that's not the case, then I would entertain a motion for adjournment. >> So moved. >> All right, motion from Commissioner Benish. >> Second. >> Uh second from Commissioner Shevlin. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed? All right, motion carries. Good night, everybody. >> Commissioner Benish. >> Yep.