all right it is 6:30 we will call on the Monday March 24 2025 city of Mayor city council meeting to order if you could please join me for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you and do we have any additions to the agenda tonight I don't have any additions mayor hearing none I look for a motion to approve the agenda as presented motion second we have a motion a second all in favor say I I I oppose same sign motion carries 40 and with that we will move to public comments if there's anyone who would like to discuss anything that is not on the agenda please come forward and if you could just state your name and address for the record please hi my name is Mark Eno um I am from St Louis Park but uh my address is 4721 valer Avenue um in St Louis Park for right now um I am the new owner of the creary right next door um I just wanted to come and introduce myself um give a face to the name um I've worked a little bit with uh Nick so far and had some discussions with Mike um and we'll continue to do so as this process moves forward um I would imagine Phillip uh and I will have um some discussions as well um I will keep everyone in the loop and um kind of follow the protocols uh for a discussion that Nick and I had earlier today but um the other element of this is that I will be just joining the community as well I will be a mayor resident um I will be uh marrying uh one of your residents uh come June of this year so um I will be uh around and uh I will have uh all my contact info will be available at the appropriate times so um just want to say hi Wonder thank you I appreciate it and yeah anything you need let us know keep in touch with Nick and uh any council members and we look forward to seeing your project come along um when we can it'd be great to see some timelines maybe or see what's you know that the plans with the building only because we did have some safety concerns in the last couple years about some of the you know the overhang there not safe making sure people aren't getting so if you can just kind of keep Nick in the loop perfect great well welcome to the community and um congratulations on upcoming NRS in June back so with that we will move to consent is there anything on the consent agenda that needs to be pulled for further discussion my only question Nick um with the two closures I'm not so concerned with the car shows as vehicles obviously have to get in and out and they can manage that as they have been uh for the Zion closing would it be uh would we have some barriers available to to bring out there for them to use instead of cones yep similar to what we do for uh mayor Rising Community Festival yep we'll get some of those thank you I appreciate that all right hearing nothing else I'll look for a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented motion second we have a motion a second all in favor say I iose sign motion carries 40 with that we will move to the 2024 audit uh from so Nick if you want to say some or introductions like to welcome Bonnie back she has been our audit for quite a few years here and uh thank you for making the journey to give the presentation you can just give me the nods whenever you want slides to change okay great wonderful um so yes my name is Donnie swiger I'm going to go through the results of the 2024 audit with you if you have question questions as I'm going through this please feel free to stop me we can touch on things as they come up I do want to uh do a quick disclosure we do have the audit report in draft form right now uh one thing we're waiting on is information from the state uh fire uh pension plan they release some of their final disclosures in April and so we expect to receive those in the next couple of weeks but nothing else in the report will change from what we go over tonight to updating some of just the pension disclosures within the report so we'll finalize it at that time all right so I'll start with going over our audit opinion and some of the different U control results that we have within the audit then we'll touch on some of the financial information and so we do include two different um letters within the financial statements one is the independent auditor report and this is required by State Statute and also provides an opinion over your financial statements we do provide a clean or an unmodified opinion consistent with what you've received in the past noting that we did not have any significant issues during the audit so clean audit overall also we issue a compliance letter over Minnesota statutes and no issues there either so you have to comply with a lot of different Minnesota state statutes as a city and and we didn't find any um discrepancies during our audit so really good year from a compliance aspect and then next we have two internal control report findings that we include in the report these are nothing new to the city they've been in the report every year and they're really a result of some of the limited uh number of Staff within the city it's not always feasible to have a perfect control environment and so during the audit we do feel it's necessary to report some additional risk because you don't have as robust of a staff as you need to separate out your control responsibilities again nothing to be overly concerned about they've been in the report before and just to be aware that you know because you only have a few people working in the office uh your responsibilities on the council are are just that much more important to approve checks and approve trans actions and and keep an eye on what's going on so so pretty common we've seen obviously year after year is there a kind of a cut off point number of Staff we would get to where some of these would maybe start falling off I mean are we talking another 15 20 years down the road or yeah it would really be that's a super great question so whenever you can completely segregate the the processes of you know someone doing the work and then someone reviewing and reconciling the work so let's say that you had someone in the office who would do all of like the posting of the transactions and then someone else who would reconcile all of those things and then someone else who would approve I mean you're not that far off from it but it's the time that it takes too so Alicia when she does Utility Billing um you would have to have a whole another staff person to go through that and then on top of that also have Nick look and review and approve as well yeah so 15 years yeah we got time right goals goals right right exactly I think from what we see during the audit the city takes it very seriously the approval process and and reviewing and making sure that you know things are done appropriately so so that's great to see we don't see anything going outside of the normal process good yep and I'd agree with that thank you yes so here's a look at your general fund I'm going to talk about all of your different city funds but we'll start with the operating funds of the city so it's important to keep a healthy fund balance within your general fund reserves and your policy is uh to keep at least 50% so this you this year you are above that policy jumped up to about 85% of your next year's budget and then if we go to the next um slide you can see a couple reasons for that so you had um budgeted for about a little over a million in revenues you collected about 1.3 a couple of big reasons for that you got a few more things coming in from permit Revenue than what you had budgeted you always budget really conservatively there and then also you collected some back tenant or um antenna lease Revenue that had been owed to the city and so this year it was collected and so that was about I want to say almost 150,000 of that variance so just kind of a odd year looking at the looking at the revenues some onetime um revenues that came in there so you were able to grow your general fund balance this year expenses came in really close to what you had budgeted and then next is a look at your general fund Revenue so you can see how things come in from taxes permits and then that other category includes um different um interest Revenue some Grant Revenue that comes in there the overall tax revenue did go down this year you can see that the charges for Services went up that's where some of that um antenna lease Revenue came in and then next is look at your general fund spending by uh department so you can see here that uh the different departments now they vary from year to year uh Public Safety there was just some onetime cost in 2023 so that went down to a little bit closer to normal what you would expect the um Capital outlay varies depending on your needs equipment purchases things like that and then here's two of your other so separate from your general fund you have these smaller funds development purposes and then also just some some very basic um small activity for the fire department contributions there so you can see these funds are all restricted for these two purposes and then next is your Capital project funds and so you do have um separate Capital project funds that account for some of your larger Street and equipment needs and here's the balances at the end and you can see that the park improvements does have a negative balance at the end of 2024 but that's planned for it's going to be funded with some grants and other transfers contributions that are expected in the future so nothing to be concerned about there the sidewalk Trail Improvement fund is new this year so that's a new fund that was created to fund some future projects and then here's a look at your uh Debt Service funds and you can see what you have currently outstanding as well of a a look at your next few years of principal and interest and so it's helpful to think about what what you have falling off soon you can see that all of your bonds are staying relatively consistent through 2033 um and so you can see from the maturity dates here you have a couple that mature in 2026 uh but your debt service payments are really stacked really nicely so that you don't have any big jumps within your debt service Levy and then we're going to look at a couple of your utility funds so the water fund the charges did go down in 2024 we're seeing this across really all of the cities that working with the water usage was just so much lower than what um it had been the last couple of years and so water revenues did decrease from 2023 and you can see the costs went up just a little bit um so there was a there was a decrease within that cash balance but still over our basic minimum Target where we have 50% recommended uh plus next year's Debt Service that gives you a good cash balance cushion against anything that might come up and then next is your water fund so the I'm sorry sewer fund so the sewer fund charges decreased a little bit not as much as what was impacted through the water since that's based on you know a little bit more seasonal usage you can see that the um 2024 dispersements did increase pretty significantly due to some engineering cost preliminary design for the treatment facility and so there was some pre-work on that that isn't funded um yet by any grants or loans or anything so you can see some big onetime costs there and then here's the storm water fund so just a little bit of activity that flows through here not a lot not a lot going on in that fund but a good cash balance being built up for any future Capital needs that might be needed and then we have a total chart that um lays out your total cash balances for the whole city you can see it's just broken out into these different buckets really important to think about you know the cash that you have as separated for different types of costs that you need to pay for and then just a couple of um performance ratios we call them so we gather some information from the state auditor's office for the last couple of years we don't have 223 yet um but I've added 2022 new from this year that we didn't have last year so you can see here averages for class 4 cities uh which is cities up to 10,000 in population and then also cities within Carver County and how you guys compare as far as tax rate and then also taxes per capita so you can see you're fairly comparable with your tax right there and then also the the taxes per capita on a little bit of the lower side and then on the next um slide is some just spending comparison so this is looking at non-utility spending on a per capita basis so it can be interesting to think about what services do we offer what programs what capital are we doing on a per capita basis and how does that compare to our neighboring cities and also cities that are similar in size remember that class four cities is a really wide range going up to to 10,000 in population so it captures a lot of cities within there that gives you a little bit of a picture of of what you're spending and then we have our contact information here this these were the members of your audit team this year we would love to hear from you at any time if you ever have any questions you can feel free to reach out to us any questions that I can take right now any questions and I don't think I have any at this time either so looking good appreciate it yes um I appreciate the partnership with ABDO everything your team did for uh taking care of this 2024 audit for us um very much appreciated all right well thank you so much if I may make one quick comment um we did have the pleasure of having them out for fieldwork but it was only two days we had you guys out this year instead of the three three and a half as normal and I would like to give uh special credit to Alicia and Tracy for making that possible they did excellent work in preparation of the audit making sure we had files uploaded to the portal making sure everything was good and in order so kudos to both of them yeah absolutely perfect thank you yes I would concur with that yes you both do a great job and you too Nick you deserve some credit too so thank you thank you thank you so much thank you so with that Nick if uh do we still approve this even though they're waiting on some of that uh uh pension number should we still approve it yes we still approve it the pension information doesn't change our books at all it's just what gets reported in the audit they'll just update that it doesn't change any of our numbers whatsoever perfect thank you with that then I'll look for a motion to approve the 2024 audit uh performed by motion second we have a motion a second any further discussion so just a comment kind of neck to your point there I want to thank uh all staff for this for us to get through another audit uh obviously these two findings we have we have every year but we didn't have any additional ones which was nice and certainly no reoccurring that we've seen in the past two so again thank you to you Alicia and Tracy for that for all your work and your diligence throughout the year um to make sure everything lined up this very very impressive those two findings that we get um I can tell you when I work for Fairfax when I work for Canby as fellow small towns got those every single year so it's a recurring thing and we'll continue and we just accept that you know except what we have with it and um like said I think we've made additional steps as much as we can internally just to make sure we we got the checks and balances there we just have so much we can work with a little extra shout out to Tracy so at the end of the audit what we get as staff we get adjusting journal entries that we put into the books because they go through everything and say you got to tweak this tweak this tweak this and in years past it was upper 20s low 30s the number of adjusting journal entries and this p P one was 23 so it was a marked decrease wonderful and that's uh to Tracy's good credit for getting everything in order that's wonderful all right any other comments caring none I'll look for a motion to approve or no I we have a motion all in favor say I I poos same sign motion carries 4 Z that we will move to consider approval of lump sum contributions to svf paund thank you mayor let's see if I can get to it here there we go little off kilter so we saw that uh when we saw in the slideshow there our our Surplus and the general fund had jumped up from the 60 odd percent up to the 85 and now we go ahead and recommend approval we drain that back down but this is something we had talked about before if we recall uh back in 2022 uh the State Board of investment lost uh they didn't per perform all that well and their Investments and us our fire department being in the Statewide volunteer firefighter plan as part of per we took a hit in that and that's where we started to have to make annual contributions partial sums of the total and we had talked at the time as we were looking at the end of the year we figured there was going to be a surplus that was going to be able to cover but we wanted to really wait until we got the final audit numbers to make sure that was actually realized um we have the audit the uh amount is realized uh the total amount we owed if we were to bring the pair account to balance to 100% funded was $218,800 and our audit report came in at $287,600 having uh a onetime lumpsum contribution to our paund to bring it to fully funded then we would no longer have those line items in our budget that I have to partially pay that so it brings it to balance there perfect any any questions excuse me hearing down then I'll look for a motion to approve a one-time lump sum contribution of 218,000 $88 to the Paris Statewide volunteer firefighters plan motion we have a motion do we have a second second we have a motion a second any further discussion and this gets us caught up then right yep we'll be so we should not we won't ow in that line item yeah how many years would we have been paying if we didn't do this an additional seven or eight okay sounds about right depending on how well the State Board of investment performed okay all right hearing nothing hearing no other comments all in favor say I I post same sign motion carries 4 Z and with that we will move to consider adoption of resolution adjusting fire department wages thank you mayor uh the Personnel committee met uh to discuss the fire department wages uh we had good Chief metel join us for those discussions bringing in some great information and insight onto the operations of the fire department and as we went through it a couple of the goals we initially set out with is we wanted to implement some sort of system that saw uh regular improvements to the hourly wage when we looked at the firefighters and then we also wanted to look at the officer pay as part of that as we went through this process we also ended up uh including another recommendation on there related to how trade tring and training times are handled so at the conclusion we're recommending that the fire dep power hourly pay go from $12 an hour to 1225 for payroll 20 25 for this year and then each year thereafter so in 2026 uh and uh every year thereafter it would increase by 25 cents per hour so 2026 1250 1275 and so on um so that would get included and then when it came to the training we discuss when our firefighters go for their trainings which could last two to four-ish hours about three on average is what was reported they only get meeting pay which is $15 for attending those and that's how it's been set up so one of the things to help adjust is recommending doing away with meeting pay for the trainings and switching to hourly pay so they will track those and the amount of time they actually have they'll get paid out for for the attending those trainings so that will help on that end of things and then we did take a look at the officer positions and after a lot of evaluation and data collection came up with the recommendations we see here uh any additions or improvements upon that mayor Chad no I think you covered it like you said the Personnel committee took a lot of time uh going through this we collected a lot of information from other communities and again we don't we didn't want to be necessarily dollar for dooll what every other community was doing as this is a little bit different than than a a a paid uh employee but it was certainly useful so Nick pulled all that a lot of discussions and um we thought this was certainly a fair way to go and and get us where we need to be and we really liked increasing that every year so we you know we're coming about every five six seven years we atin look at it and then try to jump ahead this will give it a little more smooth um from a budgeting standpoint and that so so um and then the the officer pay we we felt um this is certainly appropriate and needs to be up you know need it needed to be updated quite a bit so there's some big jumps in there um but uh they were over overdue is what we thought at Personnel Chad anything more does that pretty much cover nope pretty much covered it so if there's no other questions I will look for a motion to approve resolution 2025109910 a second any further discussion so again Nick thank you for your time on pulling all that data uh Chief metel thanks for attending the meeting and and really helping us out understand some of these positions we appreciate it so with that all in favor say I post same sign motion carries for zero so with that we will move to approval of fire department personnel policy update thank you mayor uh so as part of this update now that we've got a regular in here I'll try to get this all ah kind of gets split up uh in the fire uh fire firefighter Department Personnel policy um there was not a section in there that addressed compensation for firefighters directly so what uh the draft language I've put in here as it spe so as firefighters come on they get this policy and they have questions about the compensation before there was nothing that spelled out how that works so including this language in here which spells all of that out according to what we just adopted so unless I hear questions I'll look for a motion to approve the additions to the uh fire department personnel policy motion second motion second any further discussion hearing none all in favor say I I I oppos same sign motion carries 4 Z with that we will move to approval to purchase replacement autopulse for the fire department thank you mayor uh we our current autopulse equipment is uh entering obsolescence it's becoming very hard to find parts and get repairs for it so it's about that time we're looking at replacement and uh fire chief metal had brought together a couple quotes uh to look at that replacement and I'll let fire chief metal go into a bit more detail on uh the quotes he received as well as the proposed change over from a zo to a striker device perfect here So currently currently we have an auto pulse which I believe is around 16 years old um they are um discontinuing that model um they will be sounded like they're going to be servicing parts for another year or two uh but then you'd no longer be able to get parts for it uh so we looked at to into to um purchasing a new machine um got a got a uh quote from from Z autopulse same manufacturer as where our current machine is um which uh was 22459 um then we also looked at striker Lucas tool which is just another brand um the major majority of the county and Ridge View uh use the striker Lucas unit um and so looking at it and uh talking with people from Ridgeview and stuff um makes most sense of us to go that route because um if uh we you know when when transporting a uh Personnel they will um utilize they because the ambulance service carries the same model on their ambulance so we have a patient that we have the machine on and working that way we're working they will um there's a back plate to the machine and then a top that goes over the top of the patient um they're easily able to snap off our machine snap theirs on just leave the back plate there um can be a easy transition with no very limited downtime in doing that um for them to then transport the patient um and with having a different machine than ridu has it creates a lot more downtime to make that transition and stuff like that and when asked they said that they would probably not transfer a patient with that machine they would want to switch it and then that just creates more downtime um which isn't good for the patient so um we felt the Lucas tool was better and uh is also less expensive um so yeah that would be our recommendation to go with the Lucas perfect thank you any questions for fire chief met so hearing none I'll look for motion to approve purchase for the replacement Auto pulse accepting the striker Lucas quote of $7,595 oh second we have a motion a second and further discussion hearing none all in favor say I I post same sign motion carries 4 Z with that we will move to Award of quote for old schoolhouse Park Trail reconstruction project thank you mayor so as part of we'd like to call it the splashpad project that's part of the DNR crant but a component that's always been there is the Reconstruction of the in Trails within Old School House Park aside from the segment that was recently done and originally we had put in the Grant application a cost of 8,300 for that we received uh the original quotes we received back for that was a cost overrun on the lowest amount we had well three quotes came back I should clarify and the lowest of those was $19,200 we asked well what could we do to help bring that down there were some storm water improvements that when we regraded the hill uh last year that we took care of those so those could have those were pulled out of there and then Public Works will also do the removals of the existing binus to help uh bring down those costs as well so when you factor those in the low quote comes in at 91,8 190 and that includes both portions uh one thing we had looked at do here is zoom that out a little bit more we bid it we bid it as an entire package but uh we had this section up here as the base bid so that included these uh Trails here as well as egg line going to the bleachers the dugouts and all these areas that's required by the grant for Ada purposes uh then we bit bid the West Section as an alternate just in case we had to really ax it to control costs so this turned into about uh a little under 11,000 was the alternate on this it was part of the 91 we just discussed this was about 81 here in this segment up here brought it before parkboard for to take a look at it and the park board's recommendation is um move forward with the whole project as part of that and the rationale was this section here is just as bad as the rest of the section here and if you don't do it now you're going to end up doing it in three is Years anyway because it's it needs it so whether you're spending City funds now or three years from now you still have to do it the idea is if you do it here as part of this that's wrapped in with the mobilization costs so we're taking care of it that' be more expensive just a note right on the top part of the green where it connects on the North side there it's there's a big low area right there so this would need to get fixed that area would have had to get fixed anyway we have standing water after any rain there that covers the entire Trail um it's been an issue for numerous years and we knew it was and we were kind of waiting for this to get it I know Public Works did a little work on it to try to mitigate but it's a bad area right there always standing water this area right here we're not doing because this was done a handful of fiveish years ago something like that so that's that's good it doesn't need to be it doesn't me to be touched uh one also afterthought from the uh that I didn't bring up the park board is there's this segment right here that is not included and originally this was left out because we had applied for the 8,300 as part of the Grant and the I had originally I'd had this in there but the DNR came back and said this is not City owned land so we're not putting any state Grant funds towards it made sense so we pulled that out to include this segment back in is $3,925 why it's okay now versus then is we this right up here this base bit amount is covering the Grant City funds are going to 100% pay for this which means the city funds are 100% paying for this and it's not part of the grant so I would recommend um including put the alternate on this and then as well as adding this in so it's one continues because this section right here is just as bad as the rest what was that number 3,925 and don't worry too much I've got a spreadsheet for it of course you got the bottom numbers or the total yes so to go over my spreadsheet when I started tracking the project I track this is for the CIP Park fund as a whole and we had multiple things going on we had the Pavilion project still going we had the splash pad we're looking at the trail and the other things um that they were doing so I was keeping a running total of where that was going to be and where it was going to fall and a couple years ago when this all started when the spreadsheet was young this number right here we had talked about the 435 capital projects fund was going to transfer an amount and at the time when we originally looked at this I figured that was going to be between $125 and $130,000 and even in the overall CIP I have this figured into the 435 fund as part of our cash balances to to make sure it all matches so that's what I was predicting a couple years ago when we started this whole Adventure where we're landing on here uh our current fund balance is in a deficit and this is planned for because we have yet to make this fund transfer so this is where we're currently sitting at line items that are now accounted for which are included in our total we have the second payment of the splash pad that's what's left over the old schoolhouse Trail reconstruction right here that's including the base bid the alternate and the section to Sunset Meadows um miscellaneous expenses some things we're going to might have come up probably won't need to use it but that's always that little contingency in there then we also have the the grant amount that we're going to get back the 2025 Park CIP that the allocation they're going to get what we I think the golf course this golf course would cost us and then this is way more than is actually going to be needed but uh conversions well adding pickle ball lines to the outdoor basketball courts in the two locations it won't be 10,000 as we're digging harder into this but that's the number I have in there so worst case scenario we're transferring over 123,000 where I was originally thinking 125 130 so we're when you include those segments in we're still falling into the originals of where we're at a year and a half two years ago for project sculp and balance perfect thank you any other questions for either Phil or Nick Phil anything to add making your job easy yeah I think you made it pretty easy on Nick thanks all right so what I'll do is I'll look for motion I'm going to go with the worst case scenario and if we don't get a motion or a second I'll just move down to the ne to the middle one and then to the base one and we'll end we'll land somewhere so okay with that I'll look for a motion to approve the full bid to Northwest asphalt including the base bid the bid alternate and that little section going into Sunset Metals for a total of $95,100 I just think that extra piece makes sense to do right now and try to get someone back out here I know we'll have other projects in the future but once they're located out here I mean that's where the the biggest savings is going to be having them set up so then it'll cost more in the future yeah it just makes sense so with that all in favor say I I I post same sign motion carries 4 Z thank you to both thank you uh Phil for working with them and getting these numbers uh down a little bit and um and thank you Nick appreciate it uh with that consider approval to appoint Lauren stiffer to the park and wreck commission thank you mayor we had three applicants to the Park and Recreation Commission the park board looked over the applicants all were very well qualified all would have done a really great job and uh but after looking at them they felt Lauren sfter would be the best fit to join us on the Park Board wonderful I'll look for motion to approve Lawrence stier to the park and recck commission motion second motion a second and that is starting uh in April I assume yep 2024 we have a motion a second all in favor say I post same sign motion carries 4 z uh with that we'll go to city council reports council member HT anything to report on uh just started working on the Personnel committee policy through that and refining everything yeah that's been 10 years since we've looked at that so we're going to much needed updates to that uh council member F anything report on I have nothing council member Jackson we covered all of it yeah that's and same with me I was in personnel with Chad and um he covered that so with that I'll look for a motion to adjourn motion second we have a motion a second all in favor say I I post him sign we are adjourned now under the third meeting of the day I hear you right thanks thanks thanks thank you Phil thanks for stopping in and certainly stay if you want to stay for the work session that's up to you you really added a lot get out of here you still can appreciate it thank you all right with that we will call the workshop to order and right move right to the one discussion item on the disc golf course project thank you mayor so uh big shout out to Jason Clark and Andy buuk um for uh spearheading a lot of the work that's been done out for this project um it been my dis Golf Course uh working group a couple other people have been contributing as well don't want to leave them out but uh Jason and Andy have been doing line share of the work on this uh so so here we have the final final draft it's gone through a few iterations as they've been putting it together proposing a 19 hole disc golf course to fit on the land why 19 instead of 18 because uh one there's a space and two gives a little variation to play so it's not always quite the same course so if you want to take a little different approach to it you certainly can uh provides that on that as well I've been talking with mayor Lutheran keeping them in the loop and um they're excited to see this happen as well they had number of questions for me when we had first proposed this but sounds like I've answered all those in good order and those have a lot of those have been memorialized in the land use agreement that I put together for their review some of the uh it's pretty basic I drafted this this has been looked at by the league of Minnesota cities as well as our City attorney um mayor Lutheran has approved this and they did So at their last meeting a few callouts in here is that there's no rent or lease payments as part of this it's a 20-year term agreement that grants the city the ability to construct and maintain a disc golf course on their land a six-month provision in here uh so if mayor Lutheran let's say they want to sell the land to some development of some really awesome commercial this or housing that that they want to do six months heads up and we have to make sure we remove all the equipment and get it out of there and return it back to original condition otherwise the only other real thing in there here is uh under the maintenance we will mow it maintain it as we do all of our city parks and then um they had asked us as a because they have somebody who Haze the land currently and they get Revenue off of that since we're going to be maintaining large portions of this as Fairways and tea boxes and baskets the revenue they're getting off of that decreases so what they had asked for us was well a little in return would would the city Mind mowing the two soccer field on the south side next to Highway 7 or not Highway 7 7th Street if we would mow that and um talked with Public Works about it it's not going to be a lot of extra work for them maybe a couple extra hours whenever they're out there we're not going to mow it on some special schedu it's whenever we're out there maintaining everything else so it's not going to be a special trip they'll be out there anyway with the two mowers um so it seemed like a fair trade and a good cooperation on that when we look at cost for the disc golf course for the uh Anova disc catcher Pro 28s uh we did have a professional from Anova uh who is a retired professional disc golf uh course or a professional disc golfer get my terminology right they did take a look at our course helped with some refinements on this and uh the Jason and Andy are recommending this basket it's a very good one for having out there so we have cost associated with that for 19 of those and then we do have concrete quotes the low one we have we received two and the low one out of there 12,777 signage I don't have final C cost on the that yet we're putting it together but I doubt it's going to be more than that for signage so grand total we're looking at about $26,000 for the disc golf course the park board talked about whole sponsorships and the two models they're looking at is a one-time donation of $1,000 to go towards the capital cost or if you want to do something more ongoing $250 a year in perpetuity or until the business closes or what have you so if it's something they want to continue to support over time they certainly can choose that or if it's uh just one time they want to do they can choose that route as well assuming we have a mix of that looking at potential of $177,000 in revenue on that which gives a grand total of the project around that $99,000 Mark should we sell do we have any whole sponsorship yet not yet we haven't formally done anything with it yet and we talked about offering it to City businesses first mayor yep I think you'll get some I don't know that you'll get 17 I think we'll I think we have more than we think really if they do do a sponsorship is their name on a whole yep on the sign on a plaque yep so as you approach the as you approach the throwing area you have your whole layout sign this is the shape of the yeah the the pin and the hole into the pin the course then either below it or above it we would have the sponsor do the sponsorship there if this happens to take off is Mayor Lutheran okay with uh parking parking won't be an issue well whole one's going to be way I know it's going to be by fieldone walk all the way assum we just parking Fieldstone right yeah so parking I mean on the road there I just don't want to cause the parking will all be up here okay there's no reason for anybody parked down here walk all the way up here to start finish here and then walk all the way back okay Fieldstone Parkway is 44 feet back a curb to back a curb so it accommodates parallel parking on both sides along with two lanes okay and unless it's a tournament or something else it's not like there's going to be 20 cars at any game I I know I'm just trying to think ahead if it if it does become something popular brings all his friends I don't know plenty of spots up here for everybody to park at okay um there should be no reason they'd be parking down there okay so I just have a couple of comments I'll make and typically I don't make comment you know I I appreciate all the work that the park and R committee does and I don't want to discourage that work and know but I just I think after seeing everything that went in all the money into the Pavilion and the splash pad I would have liked maybe a step back maybe to reset relook it we have vision boards of what we wanted all our parks to look like make sure we're aligned but before this I'd rather see some of our other stuff get finished we have unfinished stuff that's sitting that we haven't done and I don't and now we're jumping ahead you know to something new um and by unfinished I mean the parking lot in the Hidden Creek Park uh boards for the uh ice rink um what was the other oh we were still going to expand more on the skate park and get more equipment I feel now also we're jumping into something and I don't know if we put to bed the dog park that had come up a couple years ago the uh what was the other there was one other item archery you know and now we're moving on to I just think a reset would have been nice I don't I just think at this time I'd like to see some of the other stuff get finished versus spending the money and not doing anything with it so that's kind of where I stand and again I'm not here to discourage the work that's been put into this but why know we discuss we have unfinished business still um we discussed that parking lot with a road project because they'd be here in like 20 30 20 30ish so I think there's a lot of that stuff on the docket and if we can get if we can get that kind of um whole funding I'm I'm not opposed to $99,000 to bring something else to M if we can get that kind of sponsorship but that's just my opinion but that's enough so do we wait and get the sponsorship and then move forward you know that's what I would say some of the unnown I reach out and see if people are willing sponsor again I want to make it clear I don't I support the project I'm not against the project I just like a reset and our vision boards that we we I don't know when the last time those even got looked at where we had uh maps of all the parks and kind of where we were going to start placing things uh future items and that was the whole intent of that I think for future councils to to move forward and we're planned versus something new so I don't not support this gulf but my other comment would be and I I haven't dis golfed in 30 years but it seems I mean is the train shouldn't be more like through some Woods some trees some this is just an open field is that typical for golf for disc golf there's no other good location there's not real Aesthetics to this I mean is is it going to be an interesting course or you know versus just pretty much the same thing whole to whole it's a little more hilly than the Water Town one okay yeah but I don't I've never played on the watert one I just noticed that they got baskets in the soccer field and I've seen and I've seen those too and I I've meant to stop and walk through that one but that's my other other comment but again I'm not getting too but I'd like to see other things get finished first to your comment I'd like to see those vision boards being new in the council I guess I wasn't aware they're somewhere I unless they've gotten thrown for some reason as we but they're around we've gone through them for years um I'm willing to bet shoot 15 years ago we started those um just to get so that's kind of where I'm at now if it moves forward um will we do you do uh scorecards and pencils uh typically there's now apps for that sort of stuff okay pull out your phone you'd have a disc off okay so will this get put on on those apps or how does that yep we notify someone and say hey we have a new course here it is and they come out and GPS it and yep perfect we put it up there uh Jason and Andy talked about that very early on encourage people to download the app and there's multiple apps you can use to keep track and scorecard good all right those are my only [Applause] comments so I guess at this time I get I don't know if I support it today what parking lot were you talking about uh West is uh is it the metal where would they be putting it so if you go where are we zo in so there's a easement between y these houses okay that it would go through there it would go through there yeah okay and that's where the skate park is too correct yeah so those are just my comments I wouldn't mind seeing some of at least maybe half of them maybe get sponsored how hard is it to get sponsorships when it's not even approved though is my question are people gonna be like oh well maybe if you get it approved you know what I mean well I mean fundament I mean we could get the okay I we W collect their money yet I mean get yeah we want to do it so you just want an idea yeah express interest like to get some yeah so easier than think I go out to the businesses hey we're looking at this here's what it'll be here's sponsorship will look like you willing to put you're willing to right you know assuming we go through with it you're willing to right okay they go to Knuckleheads heals well I mean yeah I mean you could have you know bring in your scorecard and blah blah blah and get a free drink or you know who knows it could be some sort of incentive for incentive for them yeah to draw them in well it was one of the early questions too when I came in is um how popular is this because personally I've never played it I've seen the one at Crown driven by it um it seems like there's people out there but and when we talked about it um or when the Parks Board talked about it um it seemed like there's a big draw to it right now and it could potentially draw in people into mayor that have never been to Mayor which might I don't know bring Revenue to the city I mean I don't I don't know to what degree but pickle ball and disc golf for the number one and number two Recreational Sports out there but that's uh long and short of what I've got on the disc golf course any other questions on it anything more to share neck uh no that's that's all I have all right then and I don't have anything else so I think with that we adjourn good perfect I don't argue with that done and done Stiller