pretty bad. All right. Uh let's call May 13th uh 2025 commission meeting to order. Let's stand and say the pledge of allegiance, please. What a patriot. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, now you can [Laughter] [Music] sit down for walking an 80°. Um, anybody have anything they'd like to add to this evening's agenda? I would like to add if possible. I don't know if it would be in in under your reports. Um more information on what happened with the TV in the gym. Oh. Uh yeah, I could just say that real quick. Um boys were being boys. Okay. Uh was not malicious. It was not um ill intent. It was just them goofing around and a basketball got kicked into the TV. We know who and we're working through that. Okay. All right. Perfect. Uh with that being said, I'll look for a motion to approve tonight's agenda. Motion. Second. All in favor say I. I. Oppos. Same sign. Carries. All right. Last meetings, minutes. Anybody have any changes or additions to be made? If seeing none, we'll look for a motion. So moved. Second. All in favor say I. I. Oppose. Same sign. We are good. All right. Let's the big [Laughter] show. Uh we have Melissa Gomez here. Um you were on the park board for six years, five, six years. Quite quite some time. Um yeah, uh you know, um did a great job. Um very helpful in a lot of things you did. Um you know, it's too bad you decided to move out of town. Um but we would like to honor you with this plaque. Um it states on here in recognition of your dedicated service, individual con contributions as a member of the park and recreation of the city of mayor. Your commitment, leadership, and passion have significantly enriched our community recreational spaces and activities over the years. We are deeply grateful for your efforts in enhancing the quality of life in the city through the development improvement of our parks and recreational facilities and programs signed by the mayor. And you also get your name placard. Look at that. So, well, thank you. Thank you. We appreciate your time. Yeah, I miss it. tonight my time on the board and you're probably watching every Tuesday baited breath. I at least pull up the Thank you. Thank you, Melissa. Have a good night. I'm safe. Awesome. This will never happen. What are you requesting? Right. Public comments are over. All right. Uh discussion on the golf course sponsorship. Um so, uh we had been talking about doing disc golf sponsorships for the course. Uh we had originally looked at having a 19-hole course. The working group uh went to an 18hole course after some more discussions and one's just going to be a P practice putting uh hole. So, that one won't get sponsored. So, we looking at 16. Why not? Um, that's what they felt would be best for the design of the course. Not to sp I'm just saying why not sponsor it. I guess we could. So, we wanted to sponsor the putting one. Why not? Sure. I R&P probably. Is it a cheaper sponsorship? Probably. They just take that one. They just resided. Come on, everybody. Give us some slack. which by the way looks very nice. Thank you. Thank you. Get up all that. So yeah, there'll be 18 plus the putting the putting green which is right up right up here because this was originally number one and then they redid it to have it down here to cross the two and then go this way. So this was the original hole one and they just moved it here and took it out instead of going here then down then down this way. Hole three got moved a little bit. Originally it was down in this area but we had some concerns from the HOA that this might be going into lawn so we shifted it down to the left here. Okay. All right. So practice is right up there. Um with the sponsorships we had talked about a couple different scenarios. I'd like to just get that nailed down so when we go for sponsorships we have a good plan. um talked about doing a $1,000 one-time sponsorship or an ongoing $250 a year contribution. The idea being if you want to be one and done to have it on there, great. Or if you'd like to continue to sponsor over the years to help fund um the course and the maintenance and the operations of it into the future. Would that be like a four-year commitment then? I was going to say then are you going to put their name by That's exactly what we want to nail down tonight. Okay, that's just what had been talked previous, but that doesn't mean that's what necessarily what we need to do or if maybe thousand isn't the correct number, it's something else or what have you. But that's what I'd like to get nailed down tonight with the group that this is our sponsorship plan. This is what we're going to go out and solicit for. So, with that, I will and it'll be the first 18 or 19, I guess. That uh Okay. So, that we don't get any double sponsorship. Now, one thing I would like to recommend is um so we have 19. I would like to uh recommend we reserve two as gift sponsorships. And the two gift sponsorships I would like to do is one to Mayor Lutheran uh for their land use agreement and working with us to make this project a reality. And then two, I would like to have a gift sponsorship to the disc golf course working group. Jason Clark, Andy B. They have put in a ton of work in designing the course and making this a reality. So to honor uh their volunteerism and helping make this a reality, I'd like to set two aside for those two and then sponsor out the remaining 17. I like that. Yeah. Maybe the first and the last one and 18. Mayor Lutheran doesn't have a preference and I haven't I haven't actually maybe they'll see it tonight on the video, but I haven't actually told the working group that this was my so I'm spring. No, I like I think that's I think we talked about it before too. Yeah. Yeah. They put a lot of work into it and a lot of time and effort and whatnot. Okay. So that I uh just reacting to your question if it was like a lock or you know fouryear commitment or something like that. I I kind of think we shouldn't because then it's like you're saying it's either $1,000 or $1,000, right? So I was like I thought like I I liked the idea of having a smaller amount so you could if the thousand seemed like a lot you could sign up and I think there's potential that it just continues. Um, I don't know. It would really suck if we had to like print new signs every year, too, though. Like it. So, but I understand what you're saying because you're still given a thousand, right? Well, that's what I think is you count for the first year if you want to do it. So, whatever the sign is, say it's $75 to make. Yeah. That's then plus 250. Oh, use and then if you want to stay in and then it's just 250 there on and if you get a new one it's you got to pay for the and then pay last year is just a deduction of that 75 for whatever the sign is right if if you're going to commit to that fouryear right y then last year's 250 minus 75 75 that you paid initially for the sign I think you make it administratively easier and just the the cost assigned is rolled into the sponsorship. I kind of agree with that. Okay. Yeah. That way we're not having to play accountant on the front or back end. Just say for 250 for a four-year period that gets you assigned. Yeah. As part of the whole sponsorship because in in our calculations for this, we have signage on here, right? Crapped into the total cost already that we were figuring. Why wouldn't anyone, if I'm business sponsoring this, I'd look at that and say, "Why would I ever do the 250 when I can pay if it's $1,000 forever or $1,000 for four years? Why would I ever sign up for the four years?" Except for the fact that I don't have to outlay $1,000 right now. But if you're a business, like that's not a very big outlay. Well, I don't think it should be cuz my name is up there cuz right now Yeah. I mean, I may have drafted a list and everybody's in different victim scenarios, right? I mean, I'm supportive of having a lower amount. I just think that like I just think that the lock the lock is not what I think they all should total a thousand in the end. If you're going to sponsor a whole,000 is what it's should be. How you going to sell that? A,000 now or a,000 later? Well, a,000 or 250 a year for four years. But that's your sponsorship for four years. if you're going to pay 250 a year or are you saying yes you're committed to four years and then you're locked in for because you just paid the same amount as the person who paid $1,000. Yep. Correct. And I I don't agree with that. Yeah, I agree. So that's where you're exactly right. That's where I was thinking the original conversation. Not to say that that's what we have to go with. You could pay a thousand and that's it. Get your lifetime. I would think about if I had a business and I was I love the parks. I want to support the park system. I could sign up for 250 a year and I that's just an ongoing that's just an ongoing commitment that I'm making. Yeah. It's going to be over a thousand in the end, but that's what I want to do to help support this park system. Yes, I was thinking that just because Yeah, because it helps out the park system if gaining revenue basically. So over 10 years as a business, I would have paid 2500 to have it on there. But that's what I wanted to do to because I want that extra 1,500 to go towards maintenance, operations, what have you. And a lot of times 250 is an easier chunk to handle than Well, then it would also give a new business the opportunity to come in. That's what I and sponsor should, you know, a business decide, okay, I've put in my four or five years and someone new wants to sponsor. Their budget's a thousand but I'm not read anymore. Thanks. What? I think if you if you do be gone know going we would draft an agreement that you are agreeing to pay $250 a year for a minimum of four years. But then you would commit. Do you become a lifetime one then like we're talking about? Because then you're you're paying $1,000. You're just paying it over. The idea being is if you want to contribute more than a thousand over time, you can do so or you can elect to do the thousand and be done. Yeah. The 250 per year ongoing is more that I want to go above and beyond. I I my preference is that you offer the 250 as an ongoing option. There's no minimum time period. There's no maximum time period. Then if you want a lot if you want the one time, there's a thousand opportunity and it's there. It's not there. That's that's my Yeah, it's kind of like it's like a ground floor opportunity is what it is. Or maybe later on too if somebody decides in two years, hey, I want to be just out here forever, they could put in a thousand at that time. Or or or would you say you've already put in 250? You pay the 500 then and then you get it for a lifetime. I think that's where it gets money because I think it's like if you want to be on the payment plan or you want to keep going like that's what it is. Yeah, I think and if you want to lock it in, there's your next year renewal. It's like buying a fishing license or something like that. Agre or like renting a part part of a dock. You know, you can either do you can it's this much for this time or this much for this time and you're weighing your options. It's a lot for Yeah. It doesn't necessarily mean it balances out in the end. No, it just is what it is. It's just the option that fits you best at that particular time, whatever. Right. And I think if you lock somebody in for four years, you're essentially saying you're paying a thousand is my brain. But but some people don't want to be locked in either though, right? Because they want to do it for a year, see if it happens. And if Yeah. If it does, if what if their business goes under, right, per most of the businesses or there's or they don't see any benefit. It's like why or it's what they can afford at the time. Yeah. Stop throwing frisbees. So yeah, I agree. So So are we thinking we would like to go with the thousand one time or the 250 ongoing? Both. Both. Well, both. But I mean picked. That's what I meant. But no lock in. No. No. No cap on right. How many years do you have to cut? So right now if you take the 250 option and you don't pay a year, it's open for somebody else to come. Yes. So then we have to have a deadline of when they need to have their donation in by first of the year. Just keep it simple. First of the year the city sends something December 1st out. Here's your renewal ship for the plaque. If they don't get anything back by January 1st, it's you get them two months maybe. When does the course open? What's the planned opening date? Uh they're working on it right now. Baskets are still like two, three weeks out, but we have the sleeves. Actually, sleeves will be here Thursday. Um but they're he's doing preparations right now to pour concrete for the pads and um the basket. So when the sleeves arrives on Thursday, they cement them in and then once the baskets arrive, just pop them in into the locking mechanism. Throw the lock on them and they're in because then it might not be the first of the year if they're paying now. If you're getting sponsorships now, it might be well then July comes up. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it doesn't really go July. Yeah. And they can Nick and and finance Ashley and whatever can figure that out. Alicia. Yeah. And for most of these sponsors, if they're local, I'm gonna have contact information. Absolutely. I mean, they're not coming. This isn't the only thing you're contacting them about. I mean, there's a, you know, enough other stuff. So, I got most of the business's contact, phone numbers, and emails anyway, right? Okay. So, with that, do we have to Let's I'll be looking for a motion then to move on that. Do we do we just establish that or is that does the council have to weigh in or I think we can establish that just fine. Okay. I was wondering I don't think that that would have to be a council thing because that's kind of a falls under the parking lot. Yeah. Pay back to the park. I just never understand where the lines are when we spend money when we don't. Yeah. Money I think but when we're trying to generate then it's Yeah, we bring money in. It's okay. It's okay. Well, I motion for the thousand one time and you're asking for a motion on that. Yep. And 250. So I'll motion it. Second. Any other discussion? No. With that, uh, all in favor say I. I. I. Oppose. Same sign. Motion carries. Splash pad grand opening. Yay. Huzah. Did you say it's moved now or is it still June? Still aiming for June 7th. Uh health department of health inspection is the 27th of May. So that'll give us about a week and a half, a little over a week and a half. Yeah. Get in there right after their inspection because should go fine. Vortex builds plenty of these around the state, so it shouldn't be a big deal at all. The plans have been all approved. Um this is just their inspection to say, "Yep, you built it how you your equipment's in where you said it was going to be. Yep. Everything's where it should be." So they should go swimmingly. Our guys are CPO certified to operate it. We're getting chemicals and media filter in. So things are lining up pretty well. The old school house trail that's being worked on this week. Um if we don't get too much rain, they're planning a pave on Friday. Nice. And then public works next week, week after, we'll get in there, start doing back filling around the areas, get it graded for final trees will probably come in a little later once we get everything hydro seated after that. temp fence around it to keep the kids from tracking mud in. And then we'll let grass grow. It look really nice when it gets agitated. I mean, right now it looks good, but it'll look real good when she's done. Um, but yeah, gets still lining up for the June 7th grand opening. Um, so for that, we were thinking about having vendors come in for food vendors for come in for that. Um, Sweet Wings had an opening that came up, so Matt contacted me. So, we're going to take advantage of them and have Sweet Wigs there. And I'm waiting to hear back from Adventure Bowl. Okay. Uh to pair with them. If Adventure Bowls is unable, we're looking at having um uh Tanya Sha uh her sh want to have a shave ice. Yeah. Yeah. Having her pair up with Sweet Wings, having those two there. Okay. What time are we thinking? 11:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. Okay. I had that all somewhere. So once I get the vendors nailed down, then we'll start getting the word out. Perfect. Yeah, that sounds easy peasy. We said the sixth, right? Seventh. Seventh. Sorry. That's a That's Saturday. I was gonna say I gota I already had it on here. I got to leave by two, but that's perfect. Hey, me too. For the play features, we have two water cannons out there. I thought they were going to be locked angles, but they're not. So, parents are now in danger. You need to cool off. We'll find Nick out there in the middle of the day trying to I'll ex I'll know the exact range on that thing. I'll just Hey Nick, we need help out at [Laughter] the goodness. All right. Um with that, uh let's move on to number eight. Park Brazil Park Plan capital improvement homework you guys were given. Listen, you remember when we did the map? That was right before. It was right before. Okay. I knew it was a while ago. I like I said, I think I thought it was like eight years ago or something. It came up at city council and I was like, is that like in a box somewhere or we haven't found it? No. X could still be buried some way somewhere I guess as we keep going through files. But so we've got our range of uh range of projects that we would like to do over time here. The idea being is we rank order those to give us an idea of the priority of how these should be handled as funding comes available. similar to the visual stuff we had, but this is just in a spreadsheet form. So, with that, um, I'll turn it over to our good chairperson. We'll just go down and everybody let us know what you're ranking. Oh, sure. Sure. Ranking right out loud. Yeah. We don't hand this in and you don't put it together in a new spreadsheet. He's doing it right now. Yeah, I'm doing it right now. Right. Um, I give a three. This will be for the bike rack at Blue J Park. Stiffer. Oh, I also gave it a three. I said three. Same. Three. Whoa. They're such a unified group. Um, benches. I give a five at Blue J Park. Four. Four. Four. Three. That's looking like a solid four on the rankings. On sidewalks, I gave a four. I also gave a four. Five. Four. Four. I gave a three on the modified pickle ball court. We don't have to worry about this one too much cuz we're I thought we were trying this. So, that's what I was kind of Yeah, we could I'm going to give it a three cuz I think we're already doing it. I put a two cuz I was like, how much more? That's why I gave it a five because it's like a basketball p. Is that what that one? Okay. Yeah, we're actually doing this one this year. I'm waiting for quotes to get come back. You tricked us. I know. I was like, that's we've done enough with the pickle ball. We can skip that one. Okay. Um, I gave a three on trail reconstruction. It wasn't four. Four. Three. 3.5ish. Um, I give it two. One, one. One, three, 34, or 43. Wow. Really pumped up the average. Dog haters. Hey, I got three dogs. I'm contributing. We don't need a park. Uh, trail lighting. Um, I went with a four. Three. Four. Five. Four. Is that highlighting because we're doing that? Yeah. What? What was the highlighted? Because that is in the plan or not in the plan. I thought it was highlighted was the like I see. I see. I have notes that tell me tied to something tie into trail lighting if no electric is currently available. Okay. Cuz gazebo I put a five. I put five too on the gazebo. Same. Same. I put a four. Sorry, jumped the gun there. Um, now this one I guess I was I was I wanted to go down and look. There's already one on the on the east side. Okay. And that was my question. Is there one there or not? There is one. Yeah, it's by the like the handicap. Okay. Yeah, like the back and forth thing. Okay. I gave it a one in thoughts that there was one there. I think there should be one. Maybe we should just move it to the other or by the gazebo. Yeah, because Yeah, it doesn't get utilized. Kids dump their bikes in the grass. I should just move it over by the gazebo. Kids just dump it in the back. They don't care. That's easy. It doesn't cost anything. Unless they had to pay for it, it'd be different, right? Sweat and tears. It's just a better location. It's just Yeah, just move it. Yeah, move it and skip. Mhm. Okay. The benches I gave a two, three. Are there any there? I said two cuz I think there's enough. There's three. There's three. Is there three? Okay. There's there's the new fancy one that was donated. Oh, west. And then and then there's two like as part of the playground equipment. Okay. And the only the only reason I would have a different vote would be to put something over by the volleyball court, but I don't think that that's necessarily needed either. At this time, right? Right. Mhm. Priority wise, right? Maybe a one then two. What are we on? We're still on the park bench for Westridge. Just finish that one up. Last one for Westridge. Uh the playground equipment. I'm not sure what cycle that's on. Um I don't I don't think we have to really prioritize. I was just going to say I mean it's just what we do. 2034 is it's there, right? And that's that was I know you know a bunch of that ADA compliance stuff we added. Well gosh, that's that was before you too. That Liz was still here. Okay. Um, we can skip that one. Okay. Okay. That we can skip 19. I was going to say we skip this golf course. Kind of a one for the golf course. We can skip it. Hold on. I gota I put a five. You could just give it five all the way across. I did give it a five. Oh, where is it? I hate You're over complicating it. Wow. Hate's a strong word. I said you're over complicated. I didn't say hate. Golly. Of course I You clicked through. I always do that. Makes sense. No, it doesn't. It makes you got to go to one below it to freeze the ones above it. Oh, that's it's Microsoft products. All right. To Discovery Park, the gazebo. I give a five. I also gave a five. Four. Two. Four. She just hates shade. I am going to be the rock in their shoe with that one. Uh, trail reconstruction here. Again, I don't know what shape the trails are in. Um, but I give it a three. Discovery is not in good shape. Oh, it is. Is it is not? It's not. Okay. It's in bad shape. I think Westridge might be slightly Well, it depends on the part, but they're they're both pretty bad, but yeah, some of this I think would probably do patchwork in the interrum to fix the worst of the worst offenders, but yeah, discovery is not that great. Yeah. So I put I put a four on that one over the gazebo just cuz I had a three higher part four four four there again bike rack I know there used to be a bike rack up there I don't know if it's still there or not um feel like there's one maybe I don't know there used to be one up on the far side of the playground um I thought there was Maybe 20. Well, maybe that's where it was. Maybe not, though. Maybe not. I gave it a three either way. I gave it a two. Three. Kids don't use them. Three. Two. That one. I can't remember if there's be sitting right benches here. Again, I don't know exactly what's up there, but if there's a need or a use form on the basketball court there, I gave it a four by the basketball court would be good. I think there's two in the playground area. But yeah, something or picnic benches, but if we're going to put a gazebo, then picnic benches, right? Mhm. Yeah. So then I would say you don't need benches if you're going to put a gazebo with picnic benches. Sorry, that does not my ranking. Um, that's okay. That's why I was trying to explain why I only gave a two on the gazebo. I'm going to be here till 10 o'clock. Uh, three. Four. Two. Three as an average. We skip the next one again. Yeah, we can skip that one. Skip that one. So, we're done with Discovery. Then now we're down to Meadow Sako. Soccer soccer fields. That came out weird. It by that are we talking? It's not the park. That's not the parking. Is that No, that just one parking I think. Is that leveling? Leveling top dressing. Better nets. Okay. Striping it potentially. Do kids play over there? I gave it I know I've seen kids up there. Not a lot, but not like professionally, right? They're just kicking a ball, right? And and I I feel I gave it a three and explanation is until we have the need or the well until we get the parking lot done or whatever. Yeah. Nobody can be it's hard to get access any low ranking until Yeah. Agreed. Two, two, I gave a three as well, but again I would agree. Three. They're all tied in notes here. Oh yeah, I have notes here. Tie into 2030 street project. Tie into parking lot, soccer field improvements, the gazebo and parking lot. Okay, that'll be here before you know it. Five for parking lot. Yep. Three. I had what I put for that one. I think I had a three. Four. Now, this could be affected if because planning commission is doing the zoning code. Hint hint, Ryan. Um, if we allow in code for the city park system to be able to use gravel for parking lots. Yep. That would drastically reduce the price of Yep. getting some of this done. Obviously, we want paved where it makes sense. I think this is probably one of those parks where gravel would do the trick. I mean, we do curb and gutter and just gravel it for now or just gravel it and that's it for now and then do curbon gutter down the road. I I think I think you would gravel it. You would do the subgrade to where that if you wanted to down the road, you could just slap asphalt over the top. You don't just like do three inches of it because then you're have to tear it all up and redo it anyway. And then like I say, just with soft sides, no gut or anything. So, I'd say for parking lots, you'd probably do 12 inches of class 5 as a good base. And then down the road, if you ever wanted to pave it, while the base is there, all you have to do is go over the top. Yep. Okay. So, we're not making more work for ourselves down the line. Zebo, I give it a four. Three. Four. Three. Four. Up. Down. Up. Down. Uh, I know there used to be a back bike rack there because I always had to move it with more. So, I gave it a three in the thoughts that it's still there. It is still there. Okay. Yeah. Three. In light of that, I'm changing mind to a two. We've got one. Three. It's like that's kind of like the Do we vote? I mean, do we even rank those if it exists? If it exists, it's almost a one unless another one is needed in my opinion. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Like, are we prioritizing another one or a new one or a replacement? Do kids use their bikes on the skateboard park? Because then I would think that maybe a second one, but I don't ever go to that. I think so. Cuz like they're either on it with their bike that they rode there or chuck it in the grass. I was going to say, yeah, as a as I remember being a kid, what's a bike rack, right? That's you pick your bike up and your hand grass and dirt sticking out of things. That's where the nerds put their bike. Or or if your mom told you that was not cool, right? Yeah. I I guess I guess a three. I mean, I like bike racks. I just don't We're on the skate park. I put two. Skate park. I put a three. Oh, did I jump ahead? Yeah, you did. Sorry. It's okay. I put a two. Two. three. Now I'm at a two. Then I'm not sure what's there for benches, so I give it a three. Three. Three. If there isn't any, I'd say four. There's a couple that I'm back with. There's one on the east side and one on the south. I know there's one at the playground, but I'm not sure what else is there. I think I can use another one, but I put a three. Yep. Um, skip. What's the note? Probably tying to 2030. 2030. Okay. I had a Oh, a bridge over that little low area. You need to add something or fill. Is it just You're just going to keep having problems. It's awful with the It is. Yeah, it's it's Yeah, it's been an issue I know since the park was first built. Yeah. It's just a simple something or other, but I don't know. I don't know what architectural design standards you have to do that stuff, too. Cool. You know, just something. Okay. I put a four. Three. Four. Four. Four. Do you want me to change my answer? No. Change your answer. I need to go to that park. Apparently, I never Are you kidding? You have to be honest. playground equipment replacement. We can skip that's scheduled. Uh old schoolhouse park. So, additional park uh parking. This would be immediately in front between what we have and the splash pad in the pavilion. I give that a five. Five. Well, it's already happening, right? No, it's it's gravel right now. Yeah. will remain gravel until it's Is there a a resurfacing project for the parking lot, existing parking lot anytime? Not anytime soon. For the existing parking lot, what I would do is uh crack fill and blackjack, right? Overlay at any point. Nope. Okay. Um yeah, I'll say five then. Yeah, I'll go five. Five. That's good because I have ideas for that. Is that our only universal five? No, we did it on the Well, the disc golf course. He didn't count that one. Lighting in gazebo. That's the other one. That one. That one didn't even get all fives. No, that one we had a four in there. That's okay. Okay. Parkbench. Parkbenches. I gave it two because I feel like we have quite a few benches there. One cuz we have benches and picnic tables and a pavilion. One one one here again. I don't know what we have for a bike rack. This we should have probably There's not a bike rack. There is not a bike. And we're going to have people riding bike to the splash pad. Y. So I did give it a four. Yeah. Four. Five. Five. Four. I'll get those ordered. Trail lighting. I gave a three. We're just mid- project with it. So, grab it. Sorry. Trail lighting. Three. Four. Five. Five. Four. Especially there. Rink board. Did I give a four? Three. Four. Two. Four. Cementing the rink. I gave a two. Yeah. Two. Two. Two. Three. Although, if we cement the rink, then can we do what water town does and multiuse it? Yep. During the summer, it's just it's just the cost obviously is a lot. That's detrimental. But that would definitely be nice to have. to do pickle ball and basketball. But why can't that be used as a dog running area in the summer? No. No. So full of poop. People won't pick up their own poop. Yeah. I still think we should use the swamp for this dog. So my my my thoughts on cement rink, you know, we had this up until recently. Recently. Um, but my idea was if we were going to go for this, combine some of these together, at least these two combined together, and uh go for another DNR grant that would pay for half of it. Okay, that was the that was my whole thought process with uh the ball field improvements and then wrap that in because then you could call this if you cement the ice rink, you could call it ice rink in the winter and parking in the summer. You you would multiuse it is essentially what would happen. Baseball games you could open up for parking when it's not a baseball game. You could have it for pickle ball in the winter. It's ice skating, etc. How are people going to drive down there? That was my question. Around the splash pad. No, you you would Yeah, you go to the right side of the splash pad down where they were always driving before to get down there. But how many parking spots is that actually going to give us versus like doing something like Watertown with pickle ball courts? So, this was at this stage it was no more than just an idea. And how do you change it up? There was no layout. There was no drawings. There was nothing. I would say people are probably gonna Yeah, but there's property where the the ice rink would be to the north. You could put gravel there. Good. And then that's part parking there. Yeah. There'd be plenty of parking. You could fit probably 30, 40 cars down there. I just think it's a little ranking for me for right now. I don't think it's Yeah, there's Yeah, like you say to the north there. There's actually a lot of you could we I mean that is that is a lot of dead area. Go to the north, Nick. Oh, yeah. That's all that this is I mean that could be parking so simply. Well, then would you be less then would you make that parking and leave either push the rack down or you got the warming house down in the corner though on the on the west end? Yes. This gets awfully wet during the year, right? Because this is the swale that goes down to here and channels in here. Well, you're gonna need a pond for the storm water anyway. You'll have an acre. You'll have over an acre of impervious decided. Don't tell WML we're fine. And in all essence, I can just stay grass. I mean, you can always park cars on grass if it's dry. Yeah. Well, you start that, they're going to be parking everywhere, right there. Yeah. People park there even if it's not dry. I mean, I think it's a cool idea, but I think it's low priority for right now. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's why this was like with that, right? But now that we don't have a ball team. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks a lot. There's a lot of club kid clubs. Ball club. There's a lot of kids down here using that ball field all the time. The parking lot's always I know. Yeah, I know. So, and they're concerned about the dugouts and stuff and stuff like that. So, we need to address something like that. I would like to see the field and stuff get redone. Maybe not as in as fast of a timely fashion as like we had thought it would be, but I mean, if we can plan some of this out, you know, do the mound one year and do the infield another year and get the sprinklers back up and running and and, you know, water that area again and then, you know, build the dugouts. Yeah, I think if if you do scale because we're talking grandstand dugouts, I think that was the bulk of that cost. That was Yes. So, I think if you scale back, take out the existing dugouts, do something more simple, right? Yeah. If we just do a pole shed type of thing because that way we can build it so we could put a deck on it down the road, but at least it's framed up for it and it's You don't even need a shed. You could just do a Well, I guess you want some to lean your stuff up against and all that. I was just thinking as long as you provide like shade like you know. Yeah, but that gets wonky too because we had that. I know in Tonka Bay that's what we had is we had the fences and then they put the shades over the top, right? Well, we found that kids be climbing on it. They'd be cutting the ropes for the shades. They'd be, you know, and we went to cable and then the cable cut through the shade through the shades. It was just a a solid structure. Sure. Where they have and a pull is not expensive. I was just like a little bit more aggress. Do we have is there safety concerns with the current dugouts? They're falling apart. Like I mean that's to your point like if there's kids using them all the time. Do we have active safety concerns with that happen with they are I mean the back the foundations on them are crumbling. They're they're splitting the the blocks are there's some gaps in the blocks that are like three inches. There's Well, then that kind of changes things too, right? Like, do we just have to tear them down because it's like a liability? Like, is that That's my question. I mean, are we at that point, Nick? Do you think do you need to get somebody to look at them? I would have to get somebody in there to look at them. Structurally look at them and see. I mean, maybe that's not a bad idea. Maybe have our engineer or somebody look at them to see structurally if are they a hazard. I'd have the building inspector go down there and take a Yeah, because if they are I mean then that's another thing that we have to consider because that's a liability. Yeah. Because then push the needle and let's get them right set up at least for next year and we'll build new surrounds. It'll last this year but spring right away. Let's build new stuff and yeah I mean you know right away I would like to see the ball field still progress. Yeah, because Mayor Lutheran uses it for their JV games. And it's not to say that we won't have another if somebody starts another town team, somebody else, you know, but you know, as far as as the group right now, they're done. So, um, it's possible. Yep. But let's be ready for it. So, right. Let's not and let's not just let it go to waste is my thing. Right. Because if it if we don't cost more to fix it down the road than if we just kind of keep up with So we start with getting it inspected. Yeah. Go from I'll handle all that. Thank you. Thank you. Because we can make the dugouts the town colors, you know, right? Red and black. Yeah. you know, whether same as my Lutheran. Well, then whether or not we sponsorship for the baseball club and then the Lions and we put their signs on each one of them or something like that and just sort of Yeah. keep on moving. So, and then I got a question from some people that use the the baseball the J must be JV that if they could use the shed out there, the pavilion to put stuff in concession shack. Yeah, the concession shack. What do they want to put in there? Bats and bats. They want to put their equipment in there. Yeah, maybe put equipment in there. I don't know if Yes. No. Maybe. What kind of room is in there? Then do you let other people then too? Yeah. That's where I'm thinking if you let my question is and then what if we do have somebody wants to run concessions or something, right? Or if something happens to that equipment, are we responsible for it not stored in our Right. They sign a waiver. I'm sure we're going to let them do it. I'd prefer not. I think most cities probably don't. I'd prefer not at this time. Okay. And that's something maybe down the road we then with the dugouts then we put something on there as a storage. Right. There is a storage on the one but I don't think it works anymore. I don't think I think the door is gone. I think that's like a really nice ball field. It's probably not this season. maybe solve it for next season type of thing. Yep. Mhm. But I told them I'd talk to the commission and see where we're at with it. Right. Okay. Okay. Cool. Archery range. I gave it a four. Four. Two. One. Two. They're going equipment replacement. Skip that. Yeah, we're pretty well done there. Skip that, too. Very good. [Music] Parking is a big concern. I'd already been thinking about this one here, especially when this flash pad opens. Right. And that's that's, you know, cuz right now it's just going to be gravel and whatever to cross over to get people be parking all the way down the road. Yeah. You need like but it's Is it even doable this year? Is it about 44T? 12 feet plus a stall 44. Where would that go? So would that run all the way to the trail? How's So you'd extend off of right about here. Go down 44 feet there. Come across here. That's I was asking would it go to the trail or would we cut back in and leave that grass? Okay. something like that. Would that be curbon guttered? No rural section. There's no curbon gutter now and there's no curbon gutter around the existing rest of it. So, there would be no point to curbon guttering it. Uh, what was I going to look up back project flash? This is all different. This one. There we go. That's what I want. Pavilion is right there. Splash pad bulb out. Parking lot line is about after existing parking lot. Existing line is there. So we could have it come out and marry into. So on the very south corner then the the trail would start from there. That corner. Yeah. Right there where you're right there. That would marry in. Yeah. Marry in right there. This would come out into here. Right. You put sidewalk along front of it. The west side. Nope. We would just lead right into the pavilion and then splash. Let's go to the splash pad here. Cuz the red is a sidewalk, isn't it? In front of the All of this is asphalt trail. Okay. So, so you just have the pavement end and then you've got 20 ft of grass in between. We're at the dotted line parking lot to the trail. Yeah. Yeah. You're saying you're saying the the existing dotted line right there by your mouth. Thank you. One, two. So your existing parking lot is here, right? Yep. And so then 40 ft over takes you to like here roughly that other dotted line. Let's just say the dotted line. So that's I'm saying like roughly there. Have you got there's this grass in between here? Yes. So then you just they just walk across the grass into the I think that would be fine. a buffer zone for the kids to wipe their feet and then take the dirt right back into the splash. No, into the car. No, there's there's dirt in the splash. What if I'm more like push? I didn't even think of that. Yeah. sidewalk and then parking and then you leave a grass strip in between the existing parking and the What if you put artificial grass? You could do that, too. Let's focus on parking lot. Yeah, we can get get somebody to draw a site plan later. Like this is the plan and this is what is going in. Well, and and my I'm thinking that way we can put some handicap spots in there also. Well, that's what I was thinking on the splash pad. You could put those at the corner, right? I mean, but then then at least we're offering them and we're providing them. We do have those up here like a building, but that's not closer to this over here. Are there specifications or rules? You have to have that would all be taken care of. We don't have to worry about that. But being that we are making trails and everything ADA compliant. Yeah. Whatever we design would be ADA compliant. I'm sure you need Yeah. whatever that rules may be for the So yeah, the idea is you would have another 20 foot here and then you'd have two lane. Yep. So you imagine if it's coming out to here because that won't you'll have another parking stall. Yep. There. 20 feet there and then you have another 22 feet. Yep. Or I'm sorry 24 feet because two a drive lane is 12 feet. That's where you get your 44. Yep. Yeah. Are you talking about adding that? Oh, okay. I I was picturing So, there'd be another stall. I was picturing a whole another row of stalls in my head. There would be another row of stalls. I thought you were I thought you were heading facing facing west. Yeah. So, we've got the You're just talking one one row of stalls. Yeah. We've got the stalls here. So, you'd have another stall on the opposite side to make a grid of them like this. And then you would drive lane. There's not a drive path. He's saying with 44 feet, you don't have room for that cuz you got Yeah, you're right. 12 60. Yeah, you need 60 ft. Yeah, you're right. You'd be on the splash pad at that point. Okay. That's less important than to put the to have uh so the kids sidewalk parents can drop their kids and leave. You have the drive path here and then the stalls here. So you drive in here around then you come in and park back out, right? You can maybe save a little space by making it one way, you know, in here one way, park and angle. So it's like come out, but that involves people obeying it. Well, that's that's just another confusing thing that everybody goes. Yeah. Is it worth it for 10 more stalls? you wouldn't you wouldn't be gaining stalls, you'd be reducing cost because you wouldn't have bilateral traffic lanes. You'd just be down one lane of traffic. So, you'd be saving 12 feet of asphalt and cost, which I don't know if that's actually worth it for the extra confusion. I I'd like to see the gravel gone personally. That's I mean you make all that gas, but that just seems like a lot of wasted parking space to me cuz I think people are still going to park in the gravel. Yeah, I agree. And I but I don't like the gravel. Oh, yeah. I think it should all be either we should make a parking lot or we should put grass there, right? That's my thing. I mean, I I park in the grass, too. I don't like the idea of just the asphalt stopping there. I mean, I think the asphalt should continue out because the events that we have, this parking lot is not big enough for the events we have already. What's uh you know how much the the soil or like the there's these plastic grids you basically like put on turf. Do you know what the kind of cost that is? I mean, I know you have to like establish it. It ends up you ends up you end up with like a sand base and then you then it's like it still gets compost fill inside the grids. Do they do that in Monia? Yeah, by the apartment that they now have barricaded off. You can't drive in there. That stupid thing they keep opening and closing. Yeah, basically it's like you don't I know there's it's more expensive than just putting grass down, but you don't have to pay the pavement and then you can still park on it without it tearing up the grass. Never seen that thing open. I I agree. Pavement's just easier. It's I would say in the long run, having extra space is going to benefit us. Extra parking spots, whether it be for baseball games, splash pad, or even events in the fall. Everyone parks in the gravel. That much room. I would I would like I my food vendors for the the fall f or the summer festival. I would have more room because I I do put them in the Yeah, sorry. Am I allowed to have an opinion there? Um I do put them in the gravel, but I'm sure they would prefer to be on asphalt. I mean, it's less gravel. You're walking into the splash pad, too. No. And that's that's another 40T. I mean, that that you know, 44 feet that opens up a lot of area. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a reason why not to maybe on the north side of the splash pad then kind of make a future little road to back there or not or wait till we decide on at this point when we add parking we don't have infinite money is what it comes down to. Right. Yep. Um I could cobble together funding for this. What I would do, what my recommendation to council would be is for 2025, our street maintenance that we're looking citywide is going to be would be seal coating the areas we overlaid in 2023. Um, since it's just freshly overlaid, pushing it out one more year is not a big deal. It's not like streets are going to degrade, right? They're not going to Yeah, you're not going to lose that much out of one year. Yeah, you'll like to do it two or three years after overlay, but if you push another year, the streets aren't going to crumble. It's not like skies falling or anything like that. It's just nice to do. Get it on there. Yep. Yeah. I mean, one one one year isn't going to hurt you. Now, if you get into that three, four, now you got a problem. But so, I think pushing oils will hold. pushing it one more year for that seal coating, then you reallocate the funds you would have spent this year towards paving this as a I personally feel that there's just not enough parking here to begin with. I mean, so any extra I feel is a bonus. What I would also look at doing as a whole paving this and then as part of that we would blackjack all of this restripe and that's where I'd look at if we're adding out here does this design still make sense or can we reconfigure the striping to add even more spaces with the added space? That's what I would look at from a design standpoint. I mean, as I as I look at that, you know how nice it would be just to square that off with the road. Oh, and it drives And it drives me and it drives me nuts how it's all like semi-surmountable along the whole edge. Like it's not a normal surmountable curb. It's It's like It's like everybody's driveway in my neighborhood. Yeah. So, there's the driveway entrance, but then there's the whole area along there that's like not quite B, you know, like B624. It's not surmountable. It's like something in between. Mhm. And like I say, I'm just looking at the photo I'm like, "Yeah, who does that?" No offense if you're watching. Seating enough like it's hard to drive close to the splash car. Uh if they're parking on the splash pad, the cops are coming for them because I have security cameras. I will not put up with that. This is if you're gonna be driving a lot closer to the splash. Oh, no. So, the but the splash pad will be surrounded by stone. The splash pad, it's on the back side. On the back side, that's where the seating's going. Not on the You need probably put ballards. Yeah. So, at the edge of this, we would put up, you know, like Brad has in front of the old fireh hall, just those stoppers. Stoppers. And that was my question on whether it would be if if it would you could do a curb on one side. You can do a curb on one side with the curb right there for where your and I know that would increase the cost a lot but that might be a section that would maybe pay off with curb. I would rather do the much cheaper alternative and get the uh parking stoppers and just put them in every space. Well, you wouldn't be parking against that side, right? You're not you're parking facing that way. Yeah. Right. depending on the design and now if you reconfigure now you're striping this way or they figure you can put ends on this or what have you if they're parking facing the splash pad we would have ballers yeah you're right essentially if that's longer who knows it might make more sense to turn the parking completely yeah and if you square it off you gain even more if you're doing something like This We got trees in here to keep an eye on, don't we? Oh, I was gonna say, is that one of the ones coming down? I think there's like one, two. Trees are replaceable. Well, there might be a We have a couple right now, but they're not. There might be a big tree there. Actually, this one right here I would fight if it's not in the way. If it's in the way, I would fight to keep because this gives great shade. That tree there. Yeah, but the other We have other trees coming down that. So those trees are all up in here behind there. They're all up in here. Like these are going, these are going, that's going. So if you have this open space, how can we redesign this to be maximum for parking? Like I say, it might even be that parking gets turned the other way. I don't know. Yeah, that's I would want to evaluate that. Yeah. So for next year, way above our We'll talk about it next year. We can we can kneejerk fast enough to do this. We can Nick, your eyes just got really big. Yeah. Well, that gives you something to think about. I'm saying it's it's You have nothing going on this weekend anyway. It's doable. All right. Do we have any more uh information that we need to do as far as our capital improvement? No. No. Okay. For capital improvement. with that. Uh any other um comments or reports from anybody that uh needs to go through? Otherwise, I will look for a motion to adjurnn. Motion second. All in favor say I. I. We are adjourned. Thank you everyone. Thank you everybody. Go home and shower off my Thanks for staying strenuous. Yeah. Thank you Melissa. She couldn't help herself. Jumping right in there.