you okay at 6 30 so we'll call the monday june 28th city of mayor council meeting to order if we could please start with the pledge of allegiance and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right with that do we have any additions to the agenda tonight hearing none i'll look for a motion to approve the agenda is presented i'll make that motion we have a motion we have a second second take us to public comments if there's anyone who would like to discuss anything that is not on the agenda please come forward seeing none we'll close public comments and move to the consent agenda is there anything on the consent agenda that needs to be pulled for further discussion hearing none i'll look for a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented i'll make that motion we have a motion we have a second second motion a second all in favor say aye aye aye aye all the same sign motion carries five zero six a one street name and address change from mary luther high all right all right mayor dodge and council in front of you this evening is a resolution that approves city ordinance 232 changing a section of the street currently named 62nd street northeast to 7th street northeast with this street name change the ordinance would also initiate the change of mayor lutheran high school's address from the current 305 5th street northeast to 306 7th street northeast so a little bit of background over the last few years there have been concerns expressed by residents about increased traffic on 5th street northeast going into mayor lutheran high some mayor lutheran high school has historically had their main entrance to the school off of 5th street northeast in 2015 a roundabout was installed at the intersection of minnesota state highway 25 and 7th street northwest and 62nd street northeast when those improvements were made it initiated planned improvements by the school as well as far as making it their new main entrance off of 62nd street northeast so in 2018 if you can remember the high school did a major expansion that included a remodel of the high school entrance and the addition of a field house so with that there have been increased events at the high school especially on the weekends so these events have increased uh traffic on fifth street from visitors as well as to the north on 62nd street so since that time the school has had the opportunity to host more events and activities and with the increased traffic the school has been trying to educate as much as possible residents and visitors employees and students to use the northern entrance the school has even contacted google maps to make sure that the route through that mapping system guides to that entrance the school did inquire as to whether the city would be able to change its address to further alleviate concerns of traffic just to get more visitors off of fifth street so upon extensive review staff did initially determine that it would be complex the process involved would if we change the entire 62nd street northeast to 7th street it would trigger involvement with waconia township and carver county because the current street section 62nd street is a township name and there are township properties actually surrounded by city properties and in this area as well which i will show you uh so staff determined that the that it is indeed complex but that further cooperation would have to take place in the future but uh determined that it could be put on hold at this time until future development happens but at that time it would have to be addressed uh the current and more immediate need uh right now is that we're trying to focus on is changing the street to allow mayor lutheran high school to have a different address and so upon further review staff felt like we were able to come up with a solution to that request and so the city council does have the authority per state statute to pass an ordinance amendment that would designate the change and then we would record it with the county so with that in your packet is resolution 6-28-21-24 that adopts ordinance 232 relating to street names and property addresses that ordinance renames a section of 62nd street northeast 7th street northeast starting at minnesota state highway 25 going up to and stopping right before the private entrance of 62nd street that's the private street that services the township properties it would also change mayor lutheran high school's address from 305 fifth street to 306 7th street northeast the city did reach out to the executive director of mayor lutheran high school and while they were not able to attend the meeting tonight they did state that they are in support of both the street name change and the address change so with that i am able to take any questions all right hearing that i'll look for a motion to approve resolution 6-28-21-24 adopting ordinance 232 relating to street names and property addresses i'll make that motion we have a motion second we have motion a second any further discussion and then this after it goes to the county then post office gets notified of this and yep so we will the the school is already aware of that this will happen but yep once the county uh records it then yep we'll notify the post office okay so um yeah so we'll just we'll take the appropriate steps how long from a google aspect will it take and i'm looking more for first responders if they get called to 7th street now they know that it's mayor before well well your maps take will they take you to the right place andy do you have to know um well i guess that's gonna be a question of can you come thank you thanks andy so i guess that'd be a question i mean it sounds like they've contacted google about you know they're changing but yeah i think letting them know the address change and stuff like that i mean or that that street is renamed i think i don't know if somebody's got to reach out to you know google or whatever on something like that to let them know so that with them and make sure again make sure they're aware maybe in the next month or so continue if they have a emergency there maybe continue to use the address fifth street now so they know to get there and you know i mean until we know it's switched over or your maps take you to the right let's just make sure we don't have a gap there yeah i'm not sure which map system you use i know google's already going to 7th okay so okay and i think two once the address officially entered in the national database then i'll switch over okay i just don't want to gap there for more first response yeah i'll just double check and you can let the county know like yeah we have to record the ordinance with them so i'm sure that that will go through the the chains and that need be is going you know doing ambulances and police for redirecting thank you all right any other discussion all right all in favor say hi all right all right pull the same sign motion carries five zero six b one uh sale of the 1989 tanker all right mayor and council in 2020 the mayor fire department requested as part of the long-term plan to replace the current 1989 international tanker this was replaced with the 2021 or proposed to be replaced with the 2021 freightliner tanker so these are on our long-term plan to be replaced about every 30 years or so it was approved at the july 13th meeting a city council meeting to purchase the new tanker and since then it's been being built and scheduled to be delivered next month in july so once the new tanker is delivered the city needs to do a final determination as to what to do with the 1989 tanker in the past the city has talked about selling it uh so one option that staff has looked into is selling the equipment through the auction process the fire chief contacted fakie sales auctioneers and appraisers from glencoe minnesota for the auction or for a cost to auction the tanker the company charges a flat rate of six percent of the sale amount of the equipment and forty dollars per hour for label of removing graphics and detailing uh so with that staffers remem recommending working with fehee sales to auction the equipment of the 1989 tanker with a four flat rate of six percent of the sale of the equipment with a uh with fees of forty dollars per hour for labor the fire chief is here to answer any questions and i am here as well have we sold other equipment through this auctioneer or auctions itself but we have sold through auctions any idea how how many hours it'll take for the decal removals and things like that we talk in 10 hours an hour i'll speak um if we're going to attempt to take them off ourselves um i don't think it will take a whole lot if not they'll do it but probably about an hour oh okay that's probably worthwhile to have them do it yeah okay thank you all right any other questions that'll look promotion for the fire department to sell the 1989 tanker uh with uh faith fahey sales auctioneers out of glencoe with a flat rate of six percent and uh equipment fees at forty dollars per hour for labor i'll move that mr mayor we have a motion do we have a second a second peggy any further discussion so where does that money go um that is something i i know another counsel member brought up to today so it would go back to the fire department but i would need to do a little bit more research with the fire chief as far as the tankers are usually split between the townships as well as the city so we would have to figure that figure out that revenue as far as our other trucks that we've sold always went back into the capital improvement okay so then the townships got there yeah township's pay 30 equipment okay thank you any further discussion so we're gonna we're gonna sell it after we get the new one in though okay yeah i assume that yep i believe we were setting it up for august july 9th we're going down to pick up the new truck um auction is being is in august i don't know the exact date in august but um that's when they're doing a big consignment auction so cooper any other questions or discussion i'm sorry all right with that all in favor say hi all right motion carries five zero all right that'll take city council reports council member blender anything report on just that um the watertown mayor has a new community ed director it's amy dimler and congratulations to her she's starting july 1st and she's going to be reaching out to the advisory committee and what's next sometime this summer okay wonderful all right nothing let's never help not at this time nope i have nothing to report on i haven't been a meeting since our last uh city calls me with that i'll look for a motion to adjourn i'll make the motion all right we'll move are you ready do you need a minute maggie um i think i'm all right i'm sorry i'm good yep sorry okay we will call the uh workshop meeting order and start with uh number two of the american rescue act plan planet all right mayor and council uh this is being brought to you this evening just to review information relating to the local fiscal recovery funds available that have been established under the american rescue plan act um so as you know last year we did receive funding covet funding um and then again this year we are in the process of receiving american rescue plan act money so at a future date we will be i will be bringing a resolution to the council to accept those funds if you choose to um so i do have a little bit of background detail i in the packet i won't go into too much detail about that but um we are getting again every day a little bit more information as far as their the allowable uses for these funds um again these are they're similar to the the previous kovid 19 funds but do have a little bit more flexibility so for our city since we are under 50 000 in population our allocation will be requested and provided from the minnesota management and budget office and then the final allocation numbers have not been officially posted yet but our rough estimate they're estimating it to be based on a city's 2019 census population multiplied by 105. so our census in 2019 estimated 2200 people so we are estimated to get around 270 237 dollars oh my gosh um i apologize 237 thousand dollars i i'm not speaking well today um so to receive the 237 930 the city will need to approve a resolution that includes accepting those funds um we would get the first half this year we would then get the second half next year and we have until december 31st 2024 to spend the money we do have to do reporting to mmb every quarter and so that resolution would include the approval of following that those guidelines so there are um again the money that we would do receive have to be directly related to covet 19 response so i'll go over kind of the summary of eligible uses and i did provide you with a supporting document that provides it provides the information in more detail but essentially would be public health expenditures addressing negative economic impacts from covet 19 replacing lost public sector revenue providing premium pay for essential workers and necessary investments in water sewer and broadband infrastructure so some of these items some of these categories we don't really don't really apply to the city of mayor but um but some do and so with that i did provide a little bit more information as to my recommendations one would be looking at coordinating with other public entities again that would include carver county i know they will be receiving money as well they do not have any final programs set up at this time but i did reach out and i believe that they will be doing business and residential support programs again similar to last year so i think that would just keeping those in mind in and coordinating with with other public entities is something that i think would be beneficial again with these funds another eligible area that i think we should look into includes water and sewer projects i believe our broadband system is is pretty well established already but um the guidance right now for water and sewer projects includes constructing improving repairing water and wastewater plants controlling sources of pollution creating green infrastructure and protecting water bodies from pollution so i think again we don't have final uh final i don't have final projects that that i think that would really qualify but i think it's worth discussing and researching any ideas that we have i do think you know as you know we've we've done a lot of work on our water treatment system this year and we will have some upcoming projects within our wastewater treatment facility and system in the near future so so i did include a draft resolution that will be brought to the city council at a future meeting again this is just kind of informational tonight and just for discussion purposes asking for any follow-up questions and if there's anything you would like to like staff to start researching at this comments to time so i like the two we have up there i think we should go after those has carver county indicated they will be setting up a program again a grant loan program like the last time or um i reached out to them and they don't have anything formal set yet because it has to go through the county board um but i know carver county cda will be proposing similar programs yeah i would i would think that they would agree to coordinate that again um again it would have to get uh i think it's still very when i talked to them it was still very preliminary so they don't have any formal plans yet but i think they were interested in it the again sway them to do that to make sure you know these smaller communities out in western right now we just don't have the bandwidth to manage those right that's really helpful um i think we could probably somehow i would probably do like a letter of support yeah yep i'd like to see definitely some go to that again um not more but staying proactive like we did last time uh with marketing information a lot of people know or even if we know some people are behind on some water and sewer let them know this program is out you know have applied see if they're eligible yeah and this is just a very preliminary recommendation so um or research a little bit is some of the premium pay for essential workers mainly our first responders along with staff maggie do you know if we don't take this money does it go to another city does it stay at the county level um i believe it's similar to last time so any money that we don't use we'll go to we'll go back to either the county or the state to use the last time it went back to the county anything the county didn't use went to the state to use so i believe it'll probably be the same format okay um first of all i think it would be kind of an injustice to our taxpayers if we don't utilize that money for certain projects and stuff like that to help our community and instead of you know giving it back i think we should utilize it the best we can you know as much as that as we can that you know would help our residents or taxpayers and stuff on things like that i know other communities or other fire departments and stuff like that i know on the last go-around of money some departments purchased new radios for all their members so every each member had their own radio they didn't have to share share radios and stuff like that some other departments bought you know medical jumpsuits and stuff like that to use um second set of turnout gear and stuff like that so those are some of my suggestions thank you yeah let's research into that what can be used for those that's certainly worth checking into any other items that we want magnetic research into not off the top of my head all right well i mean that gives you a start maggie and of course if anyone thinks of anything as we go on certainly email maggie reach out for and let's see what we can do right let's go to the fire station project update sorry okay so at the last city council meeting uh the city council uh asked staff to provide a project update on the fire station project um so i did include um different details in your packet um i don't think i'm going to go through all of it um i guess i would ask which parts you would want me to go through so as you know the project was approved in december of 2020 um see so some of this maggie i asked to bring this back just because in in the last five months we've had a lot of things coming back and right mr not me should we do this shouldn't we do that and once it's set i just want to make sure we have a good hand everyone knows where we're where we're at what we've approved where yeah and i during some of those conversations you had sent me that excel spreadsheet right and i had some concerns on there so i just want to make sure we're looking at things appropriately yeah so um i'll i'll do a quick summary so um because we do have three new council members so in 2016 the city did do a did purchase 409 shim core street for 184 thousand dollars the city council approved the 2021 fire station project that project was solicited for and awarded to bci construction that contract that we put together was did include an eight percent fee with brunton architects and the city agreed to three percent project contingency in the amount of eighty thousand dollars uh the city did have civil engineer work through the city's engineering firm of ten thousand and then other project costs included the standard soil inspection testing building permit review fees and then fixtures furniture and extra equipment that amount was 150 591 dollars and 58 cents so um again uh with the bidding process we received 19 bids the lowest bid was uh two million six hundred seventy five thousand and sixty nine dollars from bci um so once the bidding was received the city council reviewed the base bid along with seven alternate alternates so alternate one was approved that was including two additional bays on the east end of the building alternate hold on alternate two was rejected so that was a different using a different roof alternate three uh carpet and epoxy that was approved not to exceed ten thousand um alternate four [Music] and five those are rejected initially that was to add in-floor heating to the apparatus base and then alternate six the upper cabinets in the kitchen was rejected and alternate seven was approved to be rejected as uh and that was an automatic control system um so with that the land the land the base construction bid architect fees contingencies ff e and other costs mentioned above the project came in at approximately three million seven hundred dollars i provided a summary of the ff ffe that was approved in december that was this uh grid up here so the total again was 100 about 150 000 and then i also showed where we are to date with ffa um so we have paid for several of those items so we have about we spent about 105 000 we have about 44 000 left and then 195 remaining that we haven't allocated towards something um so if you look most of it has most of what was planned for has stayed the same some of it has either been consolidated in a different area or um removed um so i did include a summary of change orders and where those change orders are getting paid out of so we have the in-floor heating that's out of the fire relief fund the generator is out of the fire capital fund and then the extra epoxy plumbing change sign change and mezzanine change are out of the project contingency fund i also included information on the 20-year bond that the city has financed the project through and that's in the amount of 300 i mean 3 million 370 000. and then i provided a right now total approved in each fund category and how much we've spent and that's all come to council for approval um so i can go through through any of this in more detail um but this is i i keep track of this on a spreadsheet and this was kind of the summary of that spreadsheet and kind of where we're at with the project yeah so one like i said i just want to make sure we're all on the same page we know where we're at some of my concerns so when we at the last council meeting and some change orders were coming i asked to see where we're at so i asked to see this spreadsheet um without and i had some concerns on ffe maybe can we talk about that um maggie yep do you have your spreadsheet i i was trying to find the one you said i don't have this is what i've taken from the spreadsheet um so my and the way i understood that spreadsheet um well one so we had the f and e for 150 000 and we said okay here are the items go ahead and and kind of adjust i start getting concerned with some of the adjustments so this was the original that was passed with the estimates and then this is uh i need that spreadsheet okay um i can see if i can you sent it to me chief one and maybe you can just help me on this just so i understand it so chairs chairs and tables we wanted to get some then we needed more and we're going to spend more than we thought and it came back to council and we said uh nope here's your 150 you've got to you got to adjust things and figure out is it my understanding then that we did get those extra chairs and desks but we cut some other items out so we yeah so the money the extra that we were asking for so we we changed that um quantity of stuff to meet what was left in ff and east and the 150 yes yes so they did reduce the number of chairs desks and tables that they were going to purchase um but somewhere we cut out a gear washer there what was the other there was a gear i think we were going to purchase an extra gear dryer oh is it dryer maybe all right all right let me try to find it this is where i want to just make sure we're all on the same page i can go send it yeah could you please dryer here it is so it's my understanding and this is a conversation i had with megan maybe it's so in that little on the top section there it doesn't look like there's anything budgeted for chairs desks and tables is that because you were planning to use the existing and then you were originally going to fund all the chairs desks and tables from donation from the baseball club and as we went through and got numbers more uh i should say more updated numbers on everything there ended up being um you know some money left in the f and e so then we purchased what we could of those tables and chairs from the ff and e budget that's where i was concerned that's where i was concerned it was my assumption we decided it was decided but let's buy more chairs and tables and then cut out some things and it was my understanding we cut out the gear dryer and the exterior camera for weather watch so a couple of those things um the camera for the weather watch in talking with the um security company or whatever that did would do um you know videos and start you know the cameras and stuff like that he he said you aren't going to be able to see what you want with that he made a suggestion that it wasn't going to be worth it thank you that would be that's the clarification i was just confused when it appeared to me on the information i was getting that we bought chairs and tables but cut out a gear dryer and a camera which are safety items i mean those are bigger items the other the other thing the gear dryer so we did purchase a a gear washer so we'll now have two gear washers i can only wash about two sets of gear in each one the dryer that we do have i can drive four sets of gear on so so it will dry what i can wash at the same time no that that answers my question thank you i appreciate it that's perfect then and that answers everything from that gets i think we're all on the same page i mean that's i think periodically maybe in another six weeks we do this again meg just to make sure we can get an overview on this as we progress through it i think it's good for everyone to see these i think the written timeline hopefully was helpful for the three new council members to kind of just see the progression of um timing okay perfect and remind me what yeah we did yeah right so okay that's perfect for me unless anyone else has more that they want on this nope all right then um we can move to the next one the change request for painting okay um so at the previous council meeting um the city council did discuss a request change order for interior painting of the station so while it was rejected there was discussion about bringing it back to a workshop for further discussion so that change request includes adding painting to the apparatus bay walls and ceilings the recommendation at the june 14th meeting was to pay it out of the contingency fund that project cost for the painting changes forty five thousand eight hundred forty five dollars so that would have brought the contingency fund down to about seven thousand dollars more or less so that was rejected um one discussion or one recommendation for consideration is paying it out of the fire the fire capital fund um again that's i i'm available to answer any questions but that is it is looking at the capital or the long-term plan it would be able to handle this amount for this change order without affecting any future long-term projects um so i think with the fire chief here with the council here i'm that's that's one other option i can think of for if if we aren't paying out a contingency fund paying it out to the capital reserve fund um otherwise i'm looking for direction as far as are we whether or not to keep considering this as an option or just move so typically these things that i we don't bring back to council one they we voted on we did it failed it failed motion but we thought it'd be worth having a discussion if someone wants to rediscuss this and possibly look for a different way to pay for it versus the contingency i thought it was worth bringing back to at least have some discussion if if we relook at it i think i've made it clear where i stand on it at the last meeting that i'm opposed no matter what fund it comes i don't think we should be spending the forty five thousand eight hundred forty five dollars no matter what i think we've gotten we've spent enough on the station um it's still money taxpayers money no matter where it comes from and i'm opposed to it either way but um we can certainly have that conversation if people want to see it come back to council so if we take it from the fire capital fund and let's say we don't spend any more contingency can we replace the money in the fire capital fund with the contingency money um my understanding is that money stays with the project and so that money would anything that's left over would go towards paying the bond which what i i mean if you look at it um the levy for so let's we have to levy for capital bond payments so for one year if we do have remaining money we wouldn't levy for that money so there is the opportunity to um i guess not to keep our i think our long-term goal has always been to keep our tax rate stable and so i don't know we would have to discuss that at budget time what that would mean it doesn't mean i mean there is a possibility that the capital fund levy could be increased uh i i just don't know right at this moment but i'm not saying in the next couple years i wouldn't be opposed to doing this once we find out we know in our long term our tax rate is going to start increasing in the next two years of considerable amount i don't think we should be spending now i think we had it set that's my view on it i understand painting it now has some advantages but you can still paint a wall even when the the bays are finished um in 10 years from now we're going to have to repaint them so we're going to figure out a way to repaint them and protect the floor and do all so i i get it's easier to do it now but from a financial standpoint i just i can't support it our tax rates in the next couple years based on our plan are going to jump up significantly significantly so maggie can we use some of the what's it called coven money no investment in the building i i don't think that that would qualify painting the fire station i don't think would is what i would consider falling in any of those categories unless i mean what about putting into the capital you you can't use that money to because that's a tax well that funding is audited and it it it cannot just go into funds for future projects it has to be spent in the moment and it has to be within specific guidelines so it can't like i think while there is one category that says loss revenue i don't think that this is i don't think this would qualify in that category and i can't think of any other category unless you can think of where it would fit in there huh maintaining yeah but those facilities are related i i know that there's wastewater and water facilities but not fire not public buildings look into it i mean if we can it's it's an option i don't know how we say we're maintaining a building we haven't built during the pandemic but yeah i think we just again have i can look into it i just don't think i think it has to be again within the guidelines and and guidelines are coming i mean they're changing every week so maybe something will change but as far as what i've read i i don't see it fitting but is the fire department defined as a special purpose unit of government so that's an eligible transfer i mean i i don't know i guess i don't know enough about what their what the guidelines are going to be but i would think somehow we could maybe um i i again i can look i can do research um into it i i think too politically like to use those funds like i think you just have to be careful like what you're using them for because again they're that's money that's being given to local governments related to kova 19. so what's the risk on that cares money we decide and not even same for paintings same for something else turn out gear right by then another set of turnout gear turn it in then and and they say nope sorry the risk is then we just get stuck with the bill we've already paid for it and we i mean that's the risk right probably yes okay so we'd have to do some i mean we'd have to i would say we talk to someone on on any of this stuff we're gonna do it to make sure right so we're not getting ourselves one is we had to like kind of send in how we did it yeah similar to last time it has to come to council for any expenditures to be approved and then uh yes we do this time and we'll do a quarterly report with minnesota last time we were pretty clear-cut on what we had to upgrade for zooming in on our av we went all hands-free so we didn't have to touch anything they were pretty clear-cut i think on those but our city auditor will audit it with our regular audit so okay well let's continue to look into that but right now on this is this still something we want to bring back and try to get it out of a general fund or a reserve fund i have a few comments i mean first of all i think everybody could agree with me that it should be painted it's going to look you know it's without being painted it looks unfinished you know when people are going why didn't you finish it type of thing it'll be a much brighter and everything in there and i feel it should be finished it's going to look the best and i think you all can agree with me that it is going to cost much less to do it now than it is going to be later because of not having to cover the floor tape everything off near as much right now they can go in there spray it all off and they're done so it's going to cost a lot less now than it will in the future so in thinking of you know taxpayers i think it's you know by doing it later it's more expensive for them why didn't you do it right away you know type of thing um why did it why did you wait and it cost now ten thousand dollars more to paint it now you know why didn't you do it then that's some of my thoughts um other things you know if you decide to take it out of the capital improvement fund so there's items in there like i suggested you know purchasing radios we've got in our capital improvement fund for the next um you know how many years now if we would get those radios covered you know through that cares act or um you know turnout gear or something like that out of there that isn't pulling from our capital improvement fund um you know that helps as well a lot of unknowns and i i won't make a decision on ifs on some of those so they're unknowns and yeah it building might look nicer if it was painted i think there's i i think the way when you talk about it we act like there's going to be 500 people walking through this building a day there's not and most people who come into it are going to be up front who won't be in the bay area so i just want to make sure we're not making it sound like this is a building that's open to the public and people are coming like a mall or something that kind of a thing but um and again i think we talked about that at the last meeting why you wanted to get it painted i think we're at the point now is it failed and i was willing to bring it back against the council if it wants to come back again whatever fund it's going to be on and like i said i'm not hearing anyone say to bring it back to council and let's take it up on and do it i want to at least have the conversation you know from the meeting that we had last time and again typically i don't i won't do that once it fit when it fails it fails that's just the decision so maybe can you tell me what the 184 000 on the miscellaneous fund is from up a few pages i'm trying to understand how we agreed to a bid and then it looks like we've got 33 sorry 33. yep right there that last one miscellaneous funds 184 000 oh that's the uh that's it's just i just put that in there that's when we bought the land okay thank you [Music] should have covered yeah that's it's a little misleading the 184 because the original property for a new fire station was purchased long before my time and then it was we kind of did a swap at the same time we sold the lot to casey's at around the same time we purchased the new lot and it worked out in our favor that the purchase lot for casey's was more than what we were purchasing the new lot so it was technically kind of a wash in in terms of if you were to look at it it really is not an additional hundred and eighty four thousand back in 2016 because there was yeah and i just included i i was just i think at a previous council meeting it was just to be transparent they just i get that it's a watch yeah it was just as awesome to keep that yeah that was kind of the whole thought it worked out it was like it was a perfect scenario that worked out that allowed for another commercial business to to come into town at the same time we still were allowing for a space for a new fire station at the time yeah yeah it's mostly just informational that that's just more to the history of right i think we should bring it back for a revote out of the fire capital fund because i think it is better off done now than later i mean i know we can't factor in the sale of the old building and different things like that but i think it i think it pays to take another look at it i'd agree with that all right larry any thoughts i'd like to i'd like to bring it up again i'd like to also investigate if there's any possibility to use some of the what do you call it cares money all right i don't know when we received the first chunk but yeah cause like andy said if we can purchase the radios and stuff with those funds that frees up more money potentially potentially to do you better be sure if you're spending it you better be sure it's going to get reimbursed well i thought we were like had to make a decision at the last meeting because it had to be painted like then right because i thought we had talked about waiting down the road i think we decided to vote on it i think we had decided to vote on it well why don't you research it yeah see what timing is we have enough that says let's bring it back so yeah yeah i'll the next meeting and talk uh with bci on the uh timelines and and what fun do you think would be appropriate to come out of yeah i'll research the arpa money um again that's i just want to make you aware that that's that's uh three years that you have to use that money so i think as we dive into it a little bit more we're gonna have to set priorities but again i will see if that's something that is allowable at least so wait what well i need if you bought the radios and said you bought radios so do they know say right away no or is this 10 years down the line they say no that wasn't good or what no no we get audited every year so we auditor decides if it's good or not they have to follow the guidelines so they have to they audit our invoices and what we've used the money on and they will let us know if any of it would be next year right right okay that's what i was trying to get at all right you're good with that then maggie yes all right thank you golf carts um so this is just a quick item i'm looking for guidance on this thanks guys um so ever since we did our amendment to the recreational vehicle ordinance um sorry that's not gold carts um we we now allow for class 2 atvs since then there have been often on some uh residents calling asking for clarifications on whether golf carts are approved or are an approved recreational vehicle that can be used within city limits so uh with some research um [Music] it would involve a code amendment to our recreational vehicle ordinance if we were wanting to consider this we would have to actually do a permitting process with golf carts uh so whether um so that would be an administrative permitting sys that we we would have to do here at city hall so i'm just looking for guidance i i did look at other carver county city co codes on golf carts to see if they allow them so victoria allows them watertown doesn't norwood america allows them carver doesn't so i did ask the communities that do have them if they've had any issues and they said that they have not um but um again there's just golf courses uh yeah they do yeah so yeah i mean those are that is one thing you have golf carts those are things to consider as you know cities that have golf carts but um this was something that a few residents had asked me to at least have a discussion with the city council on and so i'm looking for guidance if this is something we even want to consider when people have called and said our golf course included your what's your answer to them no okay right and when you say is this a couple phone calls two or three people or is this it's just been over it's not a hundred it's just uh i've just had ever since our we passed the other ordinance it was kind of i think kind of slipping now into will you approve that will you consider this kind of thing and i'm only asking because i haven't had anyone ask me about it and i had a lot of people ask me about utvs what's the cost for the permits roughly at these it's just set up it's set at what you want it to be i think i've heard five dollars i've heard fifteen for you girls for city staff to issue i mean i mean i think the only thing is no it's a very honest answer well i don't know i mean very answer honest question i don't know what you you know you need your birth certificate or what you know yeah we would have to i guess establish again the application what's required to make that we would have to research it more what is required with these permits um well i just know that it's a permanent one example is we used to do dog licenses and it was really hard to pull i don't know police it and then we tried to do the universal or like the lifetime of it just because we wanted people to do it but the the level of participation was very low so that's why i think we went away from having that at all so this would probably be a very similar thing and then our deputy would have to figure out if they have a it's permitted right so right now like how is that logistically work and don't the atvs have to have lights and signals and all of that well they're registered through um the dmv um but do you think that a requirement is to have you've got to have lights yeah they have to be a specific right so golf carts different and it doesn't have to be licensed to the dmv so that's why we'd have to require a permit to allow them because they don't there isn't a way to regulate it because they don't have like a license plate like we have a sticker like if you get a boat you have to have the boating sticker it's the same for utvs atvs you have to it has to be registered so it's by an owner or golf carts you can register it and it doesn't make it street legal because it doesn't have a lighting you don't have to have those things you can use hand signals like to make you have to turn but you have to have lights uh yeah i mean they do have lights but they don't have to have turn signals right yeah headlights and tail lights yeah most golf carts do now i think my view on this is if we've only had a few phone calls and the amount of money it costs to change an ordinance and we just changed it a year and a half ago and we didn't have anyone come in and mention golf cart no we changed it this year it was in december it was this year i mean it hasn't even been a year right okay so less than a year ago we changed it and no one brought up i you know if if we hear more talk about it or social media starts lighting or someone wants to get a petition together then absolutely but like i said the amount of money it costs to change the ordinances i i would say we don't do it right now i haven't had anyone talk to me i'd like one you know i mean i've i've i've never had anyone mention i've never seen a golf cart that's because mine's broken i've had one but i know howard lake has a they have a golf course and i think they have a sticker or something that they put on them and then i certainly see if you have a golf course in town if you're in victoria yeah i just don't know i agree like i i won't do anything right now is my thoughts but yeah let's see if there's more interest i agree with mike okay and then we can talk about it again and we just changed it and we had no one i didn't hear anything about it right sounds good all right all right with that we'll adjourn how much does it cost uh