Okay, it is 6:30 Monday, August 25th, 2025. We'll call this city council meeting order. If you could join me with the pledge of allegiance, please. I >> aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. And do we have any additions to the agenda tonight? >> I don't have any additions tonight, mayor. >> Hearing none, I'll look for a motion to approve the agenda as presented. >> Motion. >> We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion, a second. All in favor say I. >> I. Post. Same sign. Motion carries. 5. That will take us to public comments. If there's anyone who would like to discuss anything that is not on the agenda, please come forward. Seeing none, we'll close public comments. We'll move to consent agenda. Is there anything on the consent agenda that needs to be pulled for further discussion? >> Hearing none, I'll look for a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. >> Motion. >> Second. >> We have a motion and second. All in favor say I. >> I. Post same sign. Motion carries 50. With that, it will take us to business item number 10. Consider approval of special event license for knuckleheads for September 26, 2025 panty run event. >> Thank you, mayor. Uh, as the title suggests, knuckleheads will be having their September uh their panty run annual panty run event on September 26, 2025. And as part of that, what they would like to do, which is part of the special event license they're applying for, is to fence off the back area up to abudding the alley and then put a tent back there, play some games, and also allow the consumption of alcohol in that space. So with that, do they have an uh time on it that they are looking to do? >> 6:00 to 9:00 p.m. >> 6:00 till 9. >> Okay. So certainly stays within our noise or noise ordinance. Mhm. >> Um and live will live music be back there? Do you know? >> Uh live music won't be back there. It'll be on the patio. >> Oh, on the patio as usual. Okay, >> perfect. Um with that, I'll look for a motion to approve the special event license for knuckleheads for September 26, 2025. >> Motion. Second. >> We have a motion, a second. Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor say I. >> I. Opposing sign. >> Motion carries 5. That will take us to consider approval of park bench donation program for the park board. >> Thank you, mayor. Uh this is coming up from the park board. They have been at work revamping the park bench donation program. Uh there was an original one that had existed when I first got here in 2022. It hadn't been really taken advantage of until about 23 when there was questions about it. um donation came in and at the time it was uh $500 to go towards the purchase of a bench. I don't think the prices had been updated in quite some time because that didn't come close to covering the cost of the bench. And there was a pre-selected bench design that was already on the books. So we ordered that that came in and uh the the materials on that were not what they should be for a memorial bench park program. So we but public works ended up taking off the boards that were there redoing it and then we put a plaque on there as well to bring it up to what we felt was better standard. After we went through that one, um we decided we need to do some work to revamp the program to bring it to a much better state. There wasn't a whole lot of documentation I could find on the program either other than a couple of mentions here and there of the $500 and then figuring out what the uh the former bench was supposed to be. So having gone through that uh the park board and I we've gone through updated it. We had the program in front of you. Uh major changes to this the cost of the donation or the cost of the bench itself would be borne by the donor. Uh we've and then the installation plus concrete uh which public works would do would be um taken out of the park CIP fund. The minor amount that would be the cost of the concrete the time is what it is. Um but with that uh we're looking to have uh pre-selected updated bench. The one we have selected was through Treetop Products and it'll be this style here. It's a six-foot variety. Um, it's composite material for the boards. It's a steel, a partic powdercoated steel for the remainder. And you can have up to four boards worth of lettering. The example here just shows three. Uh, so that spells it out very clearly. And that uh also puts in their conditions relating to approvals um regarding the wording that goes on there and placement within the park system. So, they can suggest a place in the park system, but then it'll be up to city staff to give the final approval to make sure it's okay. 99 times out of 100, it's going to be an all right spot. Uh, but if we have plans to say redo trails or things like that internally and they want to put it on a segment that'll get altered or what have you, we can adjust that accordingly in preparation for the future. Uh so with that any questions, comments, observations I can take on this >> hearing. None. Then I'll look for a motion to approve the park bench donation program. >> Motion. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? >> Looks a lot better uh of a program. >> Yeah. that we talked to. >> Yeah, I appreciate you taking a look at it and getting it up to where where it should be. So, >> good intentions. I think it was just something that just wasn't right followed through. >> Yeah, we got it cleaned up. >> Yeah. >> All right, with that all in favor say I. >> I post same sign. >> Motion carries 5. That will take us to city council reports. Council member Hel, anything report on? I haven't had any extra meetings. No, nothing. >> Council member Fouch, >> I have nothing. >> Council member McNeely? >> Nope. >> Council member Jackson, >> everything's been discussed here. >> And um same with me. I haven't had any new meetings since our last council meeting. Uh Nick, would you like to give a quick update on waste management? >> Yes. So, prior we had talked about the waste management contract, whether or not we're going to go RFP. The consensus of the council was to remain with Waste Management, which we have done. Uh the 5-year contract came due here in November. I've been trying to get a hold of them to uh do a renewal and uh clean up some of the language that's in there. Nothing major, minor stuff, but uh so they haven't quite gotten back to me on that, but uh in lie of that, the contract that exists does have automatic renewal language in it. So it will autorenew for one year until we get a new one negotiated. And as far as price increase, that's locked in at a maximum of 3% increase annually. >> I just noticed mine went up. So, >> perfect. Yep. Yeah, it's about that time. It's about that time now. It should be something like that. >> Perfect. Thank you. And then, uh, one other reminder is there's u the disc golf course grand opening is Saturday, September 6th. Uh, the tournament starts at 10:00 a.m. and the open house goes from 12:30 until 2:30. So, we hope to see everyone there. And with that, I'll look for a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion second. All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Post same sign. >> We are adjourned. And with that, we will jump right into the work session and call to order and start with item number one, discussion on council meeting attendance. And that was my item. Um I just wanted to kind of give a gentle reminder to the group. Um obviously no one individual. We function as a group. We work as a group. So uh we're here as a group. Um just a little reminder on the importance of being at meetings and and uh you know we've all signed up for our civic duty, wanted to be here and every vote we get we're representing the community and every resident and um you know the expectation is we're here to represent them and I I I think we we could do better at that. Um Nick, do you can you pull up from the league? Uh this is right from the league's handbook. Also just stressing happen to recall the page. >> No, it's down a ways. It'll second highlighted yellow. You might have just passed it. There were two of them. >> No, one one down. I'm sorry. There it is. So as a league uh in their handbook too, the most single responsibility as council member is participation council meeting. It'd be great to have people here. You know, some of our agendas are light, but either way, if they're light or heavy, um I think it's important to be here. Um you know, not getting into the salary aspect of things. You know, we are getting our salary. It would be um Oh, one other thing. uh collectively as a group we've had 18 absences in the last 24 meetings in the last year. Um little excessive but um in my opinion but um and then the salary aspect of it you know we're getting our salary we're collecting that we um you know it' be similar to missing that many means similar to working about 32 hours a week and having our employer pay us for a year. So, and again, that's more the minor side of things. I just think that the importance of it is is all um so that's all I have um with it. Any comments or questions or anyone? And otherwise, we'll just move on. All right. Thank you. I appreciate it. Um let's go to 2026 budget update and capital improvement. >> Thank you, mayor. I just have some small updates to the budget that I'll go over right here. I adjusted the 2026 budget general property tax number right here. So, it balances out the total levy that I show on my levy comparison spreadsheet. So, that this figure went up a little bit to to zero out when we look at the projection. So, right here we take that that'll zero it out. So, it's a flat levy for next year. So that's just for holding purposes for now. Uh other things we look at LGA, we got our final final numbers from the state on that and it went up uh $74 from the preliminary. So rolling at it now, but now we have the exact figure. On the expense side of things for the general fund, we have the new Minnesota paid leave law, uh which I've calculated for. So a little bit of an increase in there, about 750 bucks on the withholdings there. This one on the fire protection end of things. We had talked about this at the workshop where we're just going to pay the minimum amount next year rather than having it all paid off now. So that has been readjusted for what the minimum payment will be down in highway streets and road roads. Again, a minimal adjustment there for the paid leave law. Then you'll see the same thing again here in parks and wreck for the new minimum paid leave law. So that's the adjustments on that on the general fund on the general fund end of things on the water end of things. Again, pay leave law adjustment and that's the only one I've got there on the sewer end now that we have Greg Fashing hired. Uh I've adjusted that for the new hire plus having Kyle on as the water as the wastewater interim operator. So I figured that out plus with the new paid leave law made an adjustment there. And those are the tweaks I have to the budget. Any questions on any of that? >> I really appreciate this because it's super easy to understand and >> and see the changes. So, >> yep. I highlight them every time we make a change. Everybody's okay with it. If I have another one, all these yellows will go to normal cell and if there's any future changes, they're all in yellow with explanations on that. >> Yeah. I just >> That's awesome. I appreciate all that you've taught me for sure on on this new budget process. So, I really really appreciate you and all the time you put into this. >> Well, thank you. I love being a good steward of taxpayer dollars. >> Uh speaking of uh we have we we got the so the county about this time of year they get us project they get us the 2026 2026 tax base numbers and we receive those So for 2026, we've adjusted up 7.766% on our uh adjusted tax capacity on that. So a little bit of history on mayor's tax capacity on that. Back in this, you you go back here, it's like why the decrease down here. this back in these days, you used to have the uh the homestead credit system versus what's now as the homestead exclusion system. So before you used to get a check back from the state that they figured at the end of the year, they switched to an exclusion system. So it's automatically debt deducted out in the value of your home. So if you look at your property tax statement, you'll see that exclusion that happened around this time period. So a lot of cities I saw it when I was in my first city you saw a flip in the tax base there because the exemption came out on the valuation but since then you can see we've had steady growth uh some of it due to valuation changes naturally as prices homes became more expensive others by construction and we with that we can extrapolate out our levy and what that has been doing over the last handful of years and predicted what we'll see there. So stability is what we're looking at here going into the future. 2023 being that uh one fluke year where we levied a little bit extra for the street project and then we brought it back down again. >> That's what that was. And we look at tax rate. We can extrapolate that out as well. They're going to sit in that 35 34ish percent range roughly looking at. >> So name of the game going into the 2030 is about stability and 203 but talking 2030 probably looking at a street project in there with a lot of mill and overlay some reconstruct and second and canary area some utility work. So, we'll see a debt issuance here that'll go on in 31. Once we get closer to that, we'll have a rough idea of what that'll look like. Ballparking it. Uh, very horrifically preliminary 10 to 12% levy increase. We're talking on that. And for comparison purposes, some of the cities around us just this year, I've been hearing uh anywhere from six to 15% increases all around. So, a lot of that has to do with timing of things and what have you, but that's sitting on the horizon. >> Now, are we putting aren't we putting some money away for street projects? >> Yes. And that is a >> so that we don't so we don't have to bond the whole amount. And what an excellent segue into our capital improvement plan discussion. >> Oh, wow. It's like I knew I and I didn't. >> So, getting right into that, our CIP uh so we keep CIPs for a handful of things right at the bottom. Fire equipment for for the fire department, uh parks and what they do, streets, and just general uh general fund CIP equipment, building improvements, things of that nature. So, it skips right to 405. Yep. That's where I take a look at. So real over a real high level on this. What we do is we put in the projects that we have that we can foresee on the horizon. And for things like streets, uh for seal coats, we plan those every 5 to seven years. For mil and overlays, it's roughly every 20 years. And for reconstruct, it's roughly every 40 years. Now, when we actually get closer to those seal coats at 5 to seven are pretty predictable. when we get to that mill and overlay and reconstruct area, when we get within five years, we're actually going out observing the pavement on an annual basis. How good did it actually hold up? Because you don't just redo pavement for the fun of it. Uh these are expensive projects we're looking at. So, but you want to get your maximal life out of them before they start to degrade and cause problems with the subgrade and things like that. So when we look at things like street projects and that and in there up in the up in the start we have our start fund balance. This is the money that we have at the start of the year. Uh the money that we levy and this directly reflects the other spreadsheet we're looking at. So in 2026 at 135 uh something new from the state that's come online. It's a transportation assistance account funding. Normally small cities didn't receive this. It was uh populations 5,000 and over. for MSA, municipal state aid dollars, but now they've been allocating funds to the small cities, which I think I was always an advocate that should have been happening. Um, so our t uh transportation assistance account for small cities is about 38,000 they've got predicted. This will get updated every year as the state figures their numbers, but this is based off of some sales tax. I believe it was a wheelage tax that they've got implemented if I remember correctly. And so 38 is about what we're getting now. We'll adjust those numbers that we get. And then interest income because we invest these dollars. I've got about a modest 3% return on investment. So if we do better, hey, great. But >> is the is this 38 this the first year we received it? >> Uh last year we received a partial, but then the state kicked in money out of their funds to shore up the rest. So this year is the first year we're getting our full amount of it. Okay. So, we figured it'd be 38 and then they released their numbers for 26 and it'd be about that 38 as well. I don't anticipate this fluctuating wildly on us >> and we don't have years yet for all of these, right >> for >> well like the millan overlays >> uh the ones so this is where the work I keep notes on the bottom here. So, Morning Drive, Second Second Northwest, Canary, Downtown Alleys, Fourth Street Northwest, Northwest, 7th Northwest. >> Um, that's all we're looking including in that 2030 project. And >> but yes, we do have a rough plan. Bolton Bank has put together a plan for so yes, we do have >> now it's a working document that's changing, but we have >> getting hard in the weeds here. >> Built. Yeah. >> I'm just curious. >> Yep. So when we plan seal coat versus mill and overlay, we get those costs projected out going well into the future. Streets are easy to go this out for because we generally have a good idea of what that's looking like, >> right? Okay. >> And so for this is a similar theme you'll see with all see with all the CIP. Then we have our ending fund balance uh down here which is just our inputs costs down at the bottom. As long as this figure is staying positive, we're looking good. you see here in 2030 because we're going to have a lot of street project coming in here starts to dip negative. This is why we talk about bonding for that project because we can't put enough away >> up front to make that happen. But I was talking with Phil just before the meeting here about the 2030ish street project we're looking at. Heavy planning will go into effect 2029. Phil and I will be talking 28 to make sure numbers are coming in where we need it. Then we'll start with the financing of that. >> And we don't What is that street project? >> It's a conglomeration of a lot of So when I originally started doing this, I saw there was some street work that was going to be done in 29, some in 30, some in 31. So to take advantage of economies of scale, bring those all together. >> Okay. >> To work on that. >> But you don't know exactly what those are yet. >> Not exactly. We have a very good idea, but we haven't put together the project package yet because we're still 5 years in advance. >> Yeah. Okay. I was just curious >> and keep in mind these street projects includes some of the sidewalks also. As we make the determination we're going to do batuminous, we'll probably do it with the street project. I assume if we decide to go to concrete that's going to be a whole another deal. So, some of that's going to fold into this uh with these projects which is going to add some cost to it also. >> Mhm. >> But we really need to >> we Yeah. >> Yeah. And I actually me and Nick just talked about that the other day about let's getting back on these sidewalks and make some decision. Are we going to go concrete or bat between us? What do we want to do? Get everything the same like we have in the new additions with concrete or what? But we got to I mean we're at the point >> where we got to address some of the trails. >> Right. Right. >> The one by the wet land is horrible. >> Yep. >> Absolutely. So, and I didn't mean to hijack or derail this. Make sure we include the the sidewalks, too. So for the immediate future, we're looking at 2026. Uh we're looking at seal coating the areas we did in 2023 with Hidden Creek and Shimcore where we overlaid those. So we'll expect when we come next year, we'll be looking at a project for that. For the other funds, it's very similar. We have the equipment listing. We have the SK life expected life that we we plan to get out of it, when those rotations will be, and then again just projecting that all out into the future. very common theme for so for 2026 we don't have any CIP plans for the fire department parks we're still working on getting that together in a nutshell though for next year we're likely looking at picking one of the parks to redo the trails in and then with the remaining funding we want to do patching in the worst of the worst of the rest of the trails and then look at replacing uh park bench uh trail benches, I should say. We took a actually closer look at those. A lot of those are starting to delaminate, starting to rust out. They're in far worse condition than we thought. So, get those replaced in there as well. And then on general CIP equipment here, it's a whole smattering of things related to general front from the gym floor to roofs to public works equipment and mowers and everything in between. and for 2026 looking at swapping out a mower. We we're testing a couple of larger mowers right now. So, we could see we we'll have a discussion on that change here in the next month or so at a workshop what we come up with and then a potential park side by side for 2026. But there we're staying flush as well. Um, so that's a quick look at the CIP, what we got coming up for next year on that front. >> Nice. >> I like this. Good. >> I like >> I like this as well. >> Yep. And all these spreadsheets flow into each other because the figures you see levying here, those directly play into what we're sticking up in here, which plays into our total levy. So they they all connect together. What um what year was that park side by side? >> 26. >> 2026. >> We had talked about it this year, but with Kyle's departure, we're just going to shove it to next year. >> I I mean, I like this because then there we don't have a lot of We'll always have some surprises, but >> we should be counting for the vast vast var. >> Yep. So, you kind of just have an idea. Yeah. >> And things move around a little bit, too. Yep, they do. I think the big the big one is making sure we've got the ones here in fire so that we're not taking out equipment bonds. You pay for issuance costs. You pay for an interest on the bond for the life of it where we can just put the money away and have it when we need to spend it. I see right there in 29. Any questions on the CIP? >> No. >> Sounds good. So that's what I have for the budget update and capital improvement. >> Wonderful. Thank you. Now we can jump right in the city hall parking lot project. So for city hall parking lot project. So public works committee uh city staff city engineer have been taking a peek at this one with the splash well even without the splash pad. We've had events here where the parking lot fills up and we're parking lot on Blue J Avenue. It's been an off and on minor topic of discussion over the years. But now with the advent of the splash pad, its popularity, we still have the gravel over area over here which has been preserved for this potential project. Now we've got costs coming together so council can get a much better idea of what the investment in this might look like and if you want to pursue the project. Uh the preliminary plan layout right now with the layout we have, we get about 48 spaces with the current configuration. The changes we'd be looking at is taking this asphalt out westward approximately 47 feet. It would marry up with the new trail we have here. We would paint that to delineate that. You can see the stalls here, stalls here, and changing that configuration. I've got confirmation from the county they would allow two access points in here. So these would be drive-thrus double lane. So they come in, come around this way. This area remains a drop off, pickup, dumpster, non-parking type for maneuvering. We would square up the lot because right now it bends down this way to the existing access. We would square it up so we could get uh parallel l or perpendicular lanes here. And then looking at it says five foot, but uh public works discussed it and we would like to go for a six-foot sidewalk to connect up with the trail here along the southside. So if anybody's getting out here, they don't have to walk along the parking lot. They can hop on the sidewalk and get in. Or if they're coming along walking along Blue J, then they can come right in here to get to the park system. >> Um what do you put as like a the barrier between the trail and those parking spots >> where the blue line is? >> Yeah, that blue line. Would that be >> to start? Nothing. The reason why is up on the north side, we already have a similar situation. We have sidewalk up here and we have perpendicular parking spaces. We've never had issue with anybody overparking into the sidewalk. Everybody's been very very good at it. So, we'd like to take that continue that here since we're not seeing a problem. If we do see a problem, we can get uh those. You see them out in front of Brad Claus's the stoppers there. We can always put those in. >> I I think the people are very understanding it's cement and tar so they see the change. I know there'll be like a white line. Mhm. >> I'm just say I'm just thinking that maybe it might if you go six feet, even if that the bumper of a car goes over the line. I I'm just I'm a little nervous about that, but I guess you just have to put it in and see what happens and then have contingency plans in place on how people >> that someone posts too far and they're blocking it, not hitting someone. >> Correct. Correct. >> I I think that's a good point. I mean, um the only other thing would be a post, right? But putting a post in everyone would be pretty spendy. So I think >> I think if it becomes an issue, we could put those. >> They're just rubber, aren't they? >> Yeah. Composite material. >> You can get rubber ones, >> concrete. The the some of the reason why when we first discussed it is >> see how it goes. But that's a nice path for this for us to plow. >> Yeah. And not have to go over those things. So that was our initial thoughts to push the snow, >> you know, away. But, >> you know, and that's not a bad I I I was just that only thing that was concerning to me was that because >> it is a sidewalk and people aren't going to pull >> and they know I don't know. It's people might not realize, especially in the winter if it's covered in snow, they might not realize the trail is there and park pull forward. I'm just >> Yep. The good part is if it becomes an issue, you can install those stoppers. Yeah. after the fact. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. Would it make any sense to stripe it yellow? You know, kind of go put put a stripe down where people would kind of stop as they won't be able to see it. But we could always add the yellow stripe there, right? You know, >> Well, I think you need to have some sort of stripe, but I'm just saying in the winter, you know, when you go to a parking lot in the winter >> Oh, yeah. >> You don't see the lines anymore. Well, in the winter we shouldn't have too Well, we'll have for events, I suppose. >> But, you know, but people still go on the trail. I I just want to make sure that we have like a contingency like we're going to monitor that >> to make sure that people aren't impeding on that cuz I do >> I don't walk as much in the winter, but I do, >> right? >> And I would just want to make sure that >> people aren't parking on the trail. >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Yep. Agreed. >> Forgetting complaints about people overparking. That's when we'd spend the money. That's not a lot of money to get concrete stoppers. You're talk probably talking a couple grand. >> No, I just think that it could get a little confusing for people, especially like during a big event that they're having and people are walking. And now and then if you have snow piled, >> then you really have nowhere to walk but into the parking lot. >> And just for reference, that sidewalk goes almost right up to the light that's out there on the far side. Okay. just within a couple inches. >> Mhm. >> And then my only concern, and we we talked about it a little bit, Nick, is just these four right along the curb. Just seems odd to me that someone right here might be backing out and not see someone pulling in, you know, right by the entrances along with we're right on the curb and if someone comes in and tries to make this turn and overshoots a little bit and then their wheel goes up, you know, I'm a little concerned with that. But, um, to Nick's point, if it becomes an issue, we can always put cross ones in there and take those sights off, too. just doesn't seem right. Backing out right where an entrance is. >> That close that parallel right to the road seems odd. >> It's going to take a little bit because people >> Yeah. >> And I think for the most part people are good drivers, but we have some I think they're going to go off the curb. >> Well, I mean people aren't going to realize especially when we move the entrances and now we're parking the opposite direction. There's going to be a little bit of learning. >> Are we doing new curb? Like cuz isn't it a pretty shallow curb right now? >> The two it kind of looks like you could exit anywhere. >> Mhm. >> No. So right now >> it's a full curve. >> This is all B this is all B style curb. So it's flat back. You do you do surmountable here and surmountable here. The rest would stay B style. Should a person consider on that southern edge there instead of the concrete parking barriers like signs perhaps to make plowing easier? I mean, it would just say like city hall parking, >> but you know, it'd be a post in front of each spot. You could only pull so far forward, so you know, you'd never be in the spot and it'd be easier to plow is what I'm saying. instead of busting up concrete BMS or concrete stoppers. And I would imagine they'd be fairly cheap to install. >> Yeah, we just have to drive them into the asphalt, >> right? >> It's just a thought. I'm thinking of plowing. >> I think from an aesthetics to have a sign in front of each one of these will look odd. >> It probably will, but I was trying to think of clearings now because we don't really have them any place else. >> Yeah. I think the thrust is we do have options. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And how many extra parking now? How many more parking spots will this have? >> This current configuration takes it from 48 to 78. >> Oh wow. Yeah. >> That don't seem like that much just staring at it, does it? >> We're going to have to have like signs. New parking configuration. Kind of like when there's like a new change in your traffic, >> right? you like if there's a stop sign and there wasn't before, you know, where they like changing, you know, because I think, you know, people are going to come in and be like, where where's the entrance? >> They'll see all the new painted lines and stuff. I think >> it'll be it'll just be kind of funny. Well, it'll be just funny. People are like, this looks different. >> And do we still feel one handicap up here is appropriate and two down here? >> Looks like there's two up here and one down. >> Where's the other one? >> They're right next to each other. >> Oh, these two. I'm sorry. Just looking at this share the same birth in the middle. >> And actually this one up here, we're going to move to this one where it's right next to this birth. >> Right. >> Yep. That makes way more sense. >> Yep. I was thinking the same thing before >> cuz you need that, don't you, for handicapping because you need that extra space for people to >> for this configuration. You're required to have four, >> right? >> Yeah. >> But the extra birth like isn't that because >> van accessible. >> Yeah. the van so that you can get >> um out. >> Then also not shown on here, right about here to there, we're going to put in a six-foot sidewalk as well >> because people aren't going to get out of their car here, walk all the way down here, go here to come back up. They're going to cross right over. >> Yeah. >> So, let's put a sidewalk there. >> Yeah. >> Because we know they're going to do it. >> I think that I think a lot of people are using this. I mean, when every time I walk by, there's if it's a nice day, >> there's cars there. People are driving to come here. >> So, that's the proposed project. Uh, it would cost approximately 60 or $70,000. We've I've received concrete quotes for the work on there. Uh, striping and so we would also have do crack filling of the existing lot to get that in good order. So, crack filling, striping, concrete work, and then we're estimating about 36,000 with new asphalt with a little bit of engineering on top. Thankfully, uh all of this right here, this is compact gravel. We did some potholeing there, uh when we had a skid steer out there and the front wheels of the skid steer were coming off the ground because they were trying to dig into it. And it went down about 12, 14 inches. So it'll be a good base to just put right asphalt right over the top. >> Okay. >> And then on the addition once we get in, you know, a couple years down the road when it's time to do a seal code or or take care of it, I assume the main parking lot will hold up long enough so we can do then get everything done at once and getting that so we're not split on things. >> Yep. Main parking lot uh has held up. It has cracks, but all as asphalt does. But we're not seeing the alligatoring or anything. >> Seeing will take care of what we have. >> It's only looking a couple years, right? I mean, >> the addition part would get seal coated after a couple years. >> Yep. >> Perfect. >> What we do is restripe and then we'd probably seal coat the entire thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> That's what Perfect. >> So, with this, this is not a done deal project. This is a proposal that we're putting forth for council to consider. uh rough. It would cost se about $70,000 to complete. We'd be looking at doing it yet this fall. Uh it would come out of the streets fund and which has a current uh endofear expected fund balance without this project would be 270,000. So it' keep it in that 200 range. So it' still be well funded. >> Yeah. I just want to, like I said, I just want to put a little more thought into these, you know, as as they back out, even when they're sitting and then back out, the way they turn their wheel to come out, it could go off, you know, it could go off the curb as they're trying to back here. Like these spots up here, when these are >> they have the freedom to back all the way out and then go, you know, >> just put drive up curb the whole length. >> Pardon? >> Do you just put drive up curb? I don't know if we'd put surmountable curb the whole way, but >> No, you wouldn't want people to drive up in the >> Yeah, I don't think I would want that either. >> Well, it would negate the falling off, >> right? And and maybe it won't be an issue. I just want to think it through and and you know, >> Phil, you you have probably more expertise on that. I mean, ju >> just on this. >> Yeah. Has that been an issue? >> Go either way. >> Yeah. I mean, >> I see your point. And we we looked at it and we talked about it and we felt >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you can go straight back out, then it is. But are you always going to get that person who pays attention, >> right? They turn their wheel and then drive off. >> Yeah. >> Well, >> not like you're falling 20 in. >> Well, no. No, not by any means, but >> not going to rock out bottom out your car or anything. >> I mean, I've seen other parking lots with that right at the end. Yeah. It doesn't mean >> or if someone someone cuts it close and is a little too close to the >> uh you know to the curb, do they open the door and step out and hit the you know tumble down? But >> that I'd be more worried about. >> Um >> forget there's a step there. >> We have time to think about it. It's just kind of been spot bothering me for a while. But I like the four additional spaces. But >> just put like yellow lines on it. Yeah. Up here we have >> Has there been any issues? >> Not not that I'm aware of. No. >> And that one's really sloped. >> And that one I mean like you can literally fall out the door though on big events. That one stays empty a lot because of how it I mean that one sucks. >> You open your door, you're going. >> Yeah. >> The passenger is. >> But okay. That's all I had. I mean otherwise I think it looks great. I appreciate all the work. >> Or you could vacate that one so that somebody could just back up into that spot now. >> Since it is such a goofy angle, you could just hash mark it out. >> But I suppose we can always hash mark them if it does become a problem, right? >> Yep. Yep. >> You can always close them off with paint. >> Hash mark. >> Think we move forward and decide. I mean, there's time to decide. Still has to get striped and all that. So, >> Yep. >> Perfect. No, I think it's a great plan. So, with that, uh, what's council desire? I have quotes. We can bring some, Phil and I can bring something together at the next council meeting on September 8th if you so desire. >> Yep. >> The plan still be to get it done this year or is this for early next year? >> This year. >> This year. >> I like it. I think it going into winter. Um, you know, with all the events too that are if we can >> and we're ready to go next spring for everything. >> Perfect. Yep. I'm aligned. Looks good. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yep. Thank you. With that, we will adjourn. [Music] >> Thank you. >> My microphone is Sorry, guys. I don't know if