e e e e good morning everybody would you please stand and uh recite the Pledge of Allegiance with us I Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all good morning are we gonna I guess this is a this is a board meeting isn't it work session work session session maybe if I had the right agenda in front of me okay got it yes all right we are in a work session it's a little more casual we might not wear a tie yeah I never wear a tie nobody's wearing a tie I don't have my tie on either so sorry thank you for making me fit in uh we're going to talk about West Creek the six Monon recap of that program that is correct sir I appreciate it good morning board chair good morning Commissioners it's good to see you all today uh Heather Goodwin uh director of Health and Human Services for Carver County and just want to give you as uh board chair um alluded to a recap of the West Creek us housing supportive Supportive Housing uh site that uh recently opened uh late last year and we are at the 6 months I do wanted to start uh by offering some thanks uh to my health and human services team uh specifically uh my financial assistance team um Jennifer keus is in the back of the room uh she's my man our manager of our income support area and uh her team is uh has several staff who are processing the paperwork and documents that provide the housing support which is essentially uh the rent all or part of the rent uh for the young adults who live in this facility and also want to thank my Workforce Development team also under Jennifer uh who uh we've had counselors and we've had Workforce staff um working with these young adults uh since they've moved into the facility uh to be to gain employment uh education training to be able to become productive um independent citizens and and be able to eventually move on um and be able to um contribute to our community um in a way that they uh move themselves away from uh the dependence or need of our services um and then lastly I think all of you know Jen Romero um in the room she's my supervisor of our housing supports area many thanks to her um and her team uh for the ongoing support and collaboration without Jen and her team and we probably wouldn't be standing her today uh many thanks to again my health and human services team whove worked closely with many of the partners uh that we'll talk about today during the presentation that all came together to be able to bring this project to fruition and and get that opened and um most importantly I want to talk about some successes today we've had our first six months of this project but want to introduce Susie misel she room she's in the room good she you can come on up Susie I want to introduce Susie misel she um is the director of Housing and emergency services for cap um cap has been amazing um and a wonderful partner uh for this project uh they are doing everything from case management uh to uh front desk work working in collaboration and closely with many of the partners uh that have all uh brought this to fruition so I want to turn it over to Susie she can kind of walk us through the bulk of the presentation today um and then Jen um Susie and I are here if you have questions at the end and I'll just give Susie a minute if you if you do this you'll be able to see that you can advance the slides thanks myel right myel yes thank you all right thank you Commissioners um for for giving me the opportunity to speak about West Creek um all right sorry all right we it is a 19 unit building that um serves youth 18 to 29 years old who have experienced homelessness cap agency is the service provider we're providing case management as well as front desk support premere is the um property management company and they have several other properties in their portfolio we have um 18 units that are currently occupied we also have one of those as a livein cap agency supervises the livein position so far we've housed 19 different individuals um of those nine have been from Carver County the referral process comes through coordinated ENT that's an assessment process where a person who's experiencing homelessness comes to a coordinated entry provider and completes an assessment that assessment determines the length of their homelessness how how long they've been homeless and then also um barriers disabilities um special needs that they may have and puts them on a prioritization list then from that we have an opening we um let the prioritization list know and they um send us referrals then we say hey West Creek is the housing opportunity for you would you like to come and look at it they come look they have a tour they find out about the services that'll be provided there and um determine whether or not they would like to apply then they go through premier's application process um through that coordinated entry process um um I just wanted Jen to speak just a little bit about um how many youth we were able to contact and um make connections with sure good morning good morning good morning everyone so just really quickly wanted to highlight this is a pretty big deal because our coordinated entry list has over 600 individuals on it between Scott Carver Anoka Dakota and Washington counties and in the process of sending the referrals over to the West Creek project all single youth had the opportunity to potentially move to this property from that entire list there had to been at least 40 um individuals that were referred over that had the opportunity to go look at it and determine if this was the right place for them to live by the time the project was maybe 3ars of the way full we had offered that opportunity to every single youth on the list which means there were no more youth that hadn't been presented with with an option of a place to live Jen did you originally say 600 people were on the list there's over 600 individuals of varying ages right so when you take that whole list and you pair it down to just those who are eligible for this project that are 18 to 29 years old that are long-term homeless that have a disabling condition all of those individuals were offered this as an opportunity for them and how many of those how many was that number I would guess about 40 okay yeah so that's a pretty big feat it's very rare that a project comes along that completely um completely ends homelessness for every youth on the list basically that's just unheard of it doesn't happen so it was a pretty big feat for our Continuum of Care that manages this list so we were really excited and wanted to share that detail so Mr if I could so the quick question would be uh it was offered to to most people all those people but the majority turned it down yeah so if it was a Washington County individual for example that might have just been too far away from their supports so they may have declined or um somebody would be another example of somebody who maybe said no thank you um I think I I do think that the majority of the reasons for turning it down it's just the location and and their Community Resources in in NOA County Washington yeah the people who lived the farthest away who had support systems the farthest away probably said no thank you so even though you have a support system but you're homeless yes okay because even though they're homeless a lot of them are C hopping chronically cow hopping and at least they have that system of support and the people that they can go from home to home to home and as long as they're near the people who give them rides to work or the people who give them rides to school it's hard to leave that far behind even for a Housing Opportunity understood thank you y all right so we moved um 19 in and um we have one more on the way and so then the project will be filed uh here is a picture of the studio unit they are fully furnished and on the right side you can't see them uh you will in the next slide see there's a love seat and a couch and then they have the kitchenet so there is um a picture from different angle but I wanted to thank all the sponsors who made this project not only an apartment complex but really homes for 19 who had not had homes before so thank you to all of them then we have made quite a few Partners uh with this project uh cver County Health and Human Services the Chasco Library comes um and for fishes this bookshelf with books that they can check out and read and then um brings new books in uh Project Life Cycle brought 19 bikes for um the Youth and Young adults so if they didn't not have transportation they have a bike now to get around um we have connected with sore Advocates to help them with Social Security disabilities Southwest Prime for transportation the career Workforce Center Career force center um and then also chesa police our biggest partner I would say and we're really grateful for this unique opportunity is Bountiful Baskets we have a Food Pantry located in West Creek and they can come up and um make their food choices um and there's refrigerator that's got eggs and milk meat in it um and so it's really easy for them to come up get the things that they need Bountiful Baskets comes and replenishes as we need so it's been really a wonderful partnership then I wanted to talk about um uh cap agency's case management and um here are the elements of our case management our housing first approach means that the person um comes into housing and then we address their barriers um this is a fundamental concept it's based in evidence that shows people will have a greater success um when maintaining housing if they can be themselves feel safe and supported and focus on their goals feeling safe and secure in housing serves as a platform um from which they can attain goals client centered or person centered approach um puts the uh Youth and Young adults in the driver's seat they make their own goals and the cap gency just helps guide them uh the nine guiding principles to homeless youth Works begins with the perspective that youth are on a journey all of our interactions with the youth have filtered through this journey perspective this means that we must be trauma informed non-judgmental and work to reduce harm by holding these principles we can build a trusting relationship that allows us to focus on youth strengths and opportunities for positive development through all of this we approach youth as whole beings through a youth focused collaborative system we do all of this work by meeting with um each resident weekly we can meet them in their units um or in our office on site um we conduct monthly inspections in the units to ensure safety um and any needs and then of course cleanliness we work on budgets and the budgets help them understand and their income or their funding um and personal needs goals for the future um our goals as um I was saying are um really driven by the Youth and Young adults um the family service coordinators from cap agency um focus on meeting with them regularly to review those and then we use motivational interviewing to help guide them and keep them moving along because they're the drivers um and then uh the case management also provides an opportunity for us to talk about the Here and Now what's happening and then also dream about the future uh we have had some challenges the challenges have been um finding the right staff for the um our 247 model uh we had have a front desk that covers weekends and just finding the right people to be in those positions um um so we've had a little turnover already and we're finding um the right staff to fit those needs uh we had one mutual lease termination that came when we had um one um resident that had some mental health needs that we were unable to address through West Creek Services uh we worked collaborative collaboratively with others to figure out how to move him into a better position um and then the other challenge is that uh these Youth and Young adults are eligible for social security benefits and it's been challenging trying to connect them through that process but we're working through that um with the challenges there's been successes we have one um a young lady who is paying full rent already half of the residents have gained employment um we've been connecting a lot of them to Community Resources and they've had a lot of um they're beginning to feel a sense of community this is a picture of um uh over the holidays they had several brunches uh Thanksgiving meal things like that so they're making use of the community resource room and Gathering and spending time together getting to know each other uh last week I actually worked at front desk and I met a young man who told me that this is the first time he's had an opportunity to believe in himself he's feeling truly blessed for this opportunity and he has never had a home before that's been solid and this is wonderful place for him so that was really fun having that conversation with him and getting to know him finally I wanted to share that the cap agency is now located in Carver County here is our new location on Second Street the services that are available um somebody can come in and apply for um energy assistants that can apply for a head start and they can receive um access to housing resources as well does anybody have any questions does anybody have any questions commissioner udman uh we always ask the question are we housing people from outside our community and I think we got a partial answer um commissioner F myself had a chance to see some of this presentation at the CBA meeting last week and I think I know the answer but can you tell me how we determine who's in there and how many people came or attached to our community yep so nine um are actually ties or were originally from Carver County uh with the homeless population they're moving around a lot so somebody may have been here at one point in Carver County and then moved away and now is returning um but nine for sure would say yes I was Carver County resident previously y sometimes I ask who does this best in this space and and for all intents and purposes this is on the um end of the spectrum that's hard to house this isn't just an a capable body that's hit hting a hard time this is somebody that if we don't capture them now will cost a lot more over a lifetime and so uh I remember a conversation I had with Bostrom many years ago is how does cap have a greater presence in Carver County they had a desire we had a desire and I think you're not only delivering that with this facility but also um the uh facility up around the corner from Patron and so thank you for that I I also harp on the you know our partnership with not for-profit Civic organizations places of worship in the like and we'll hear from another one after you guys takes a lot of the burden and you know as well as everybody in this room that we're facing a lot of potential burden coming from the state to fund some of these things and so I think this is the gold standard of um and we can't get out of a conversation about West Creek without talking about Bob and Dave and so I'm sure they're either watching or will watch but the perseverance and the vision and the and taking um a lot of darts for uh we don't want that in our backyard or they're going to be making a lot of money on this stuff at the end of the day they a project faster than what government could do alone and if you look at all the Partnerships I think that's a look at what what the gold standard is also think that we should probably Set uh goals in the future for wouldn't it be great if we could um invest in a project and I know there's some County money in this one too I know many of the people in this room were at the groundbreaking and the ribbon cutting um but if our goal was to have maybe 80% of the people from our County we don't really put a Line in the Sand and I know there's a lot of complexities but the thought of somebody from Washington County coming into a community that they don't know know um and the words that you said essentially for that demographic we solved homelessness by this project and and what Bob and Dave have been able to do is so important um my last question is this is what's the next step I know for better part of a couple decades not just our community but other communities we don't have the next step of home ownership for somebody that can't afford a $600,000 starter home in Carver County and I know the next step for folks living here isn't to buy a $600,000 house and I know there's not uh readily available stock that 200 to $350,000 based on wage what is when these folks graduate from this program or know the individual that's now paying uh rent that could probably afford to be in a different facility when the timing is right what is the next step for the individuals that are here to go on to the next rung of um potential Independence yes um so I think um many will move on to becoming renters at other properties um but I did speak with the CDA maybe two weeks ago um regarding their Housing Trust projects and having some affordable housing so that somebody can go into that home ownership through the Housing Trust programs so so like if somebody's here and the one that's paying full full rent is that $1,400 a month 1,000 1,000 so then the next step might be 12 13,400 of which there's not a lot there's a glut of opportunities at $2,000 a month and to get in a first-time home you're looking at 2500 on the low end if you have a down payment and more like three or $4 thousand to have something that's kind of middle of the road so it's helpful to hear that y um last thing uh I guess last last thing and maybe this is a question for somebody else in the room um but we can't restrict somebody that's from outside of our community coming in but maybe there's some creative things we can do I know we've got a number of projects that are coming online given the boldness of the board some arpa dollars are coming out of the ground particularly what's in Carver um I see a problem of us releasing 60 or 80 units at a time and when you release them all at the same time it it opens itself up to solving the problems of people from other counties if you will is there a path for us to release a couple units a week or a month maybe 10 at Max on a monthly basis versus hey we're open we're going to try and fill it with all the supports and people that we have locally but we're open ourselves up in some cases 70 80% of the people housing these areas it's as we heard from you it's not in their best interest to be housed in an area where they don't have social supports but in essence if we build it they will come I'm an Iowa kid so I like to throw that out there Heather I know you are too is there a way that we can maybe time relase some of these so we actually serve the real need versus shift the need to our County maybe that's more for Jen so as much as as much as I would love to be able to answer that I think honestly if you're thinking about some projects that are coming open like Carver Place For example uh the Carver County CDA I'm sure has a very specific plan as to how they open projects like that they have to follow fair housing laws they have an interest list already established and so I believe they go off of their interest list for the general um public openings but they will have at least eight homeless units at Carver Place and those units will be filled um through coordinated entry I I apologize because I might be getting some of my projects mixed up because some of the projects are going through another homeless Source um but I believe that one has coming through coordinated entry you guys as the provider right okay so um those units as they become available those eight um you guys generally take them in batches as well so when a project has eight units it's very likely most if not all of those will be people who have a tie to Carver County when you're filling 19 very specific youth openings that have long-term homeless and disability requirements that takes the list and brings it down to this big right of people who would be eligible but when you're filling eight units and I believe those are combination of family and singles for that project you've got a much bigger pool and we could consider a lot of the households who are already on the list for Carver County's portion that say Carver County is their residency our priority list managers uh do go in order on the entire list the whole list not worrying about um where people are from but we have found that when projects are a little bit further out of the Cities the best fits are people who are from here they're the ones who are really quick to say yes they're really excited about it they can get there quickly to view it and they're the ones who end up going through the whole process and getting accepted it's not to say that someone from Dakota Washington or no won't move into the unit because they would have an opportunity as well but in the end majority do end up being from here great thanks for what you do y commissioner Anderson all right um first of all um Heather Jen Susie thank you so much for what you do um I am a proud member of uh the cap board and so I have um seen some of those challenges um and have only heard good things so thank you Susie for your partnership I do um first of all it's hard to believe it's already been six months so that's crazy and I do think that this is a great example of not just Community Partnership but but we also had a number of businesses be involved in this as well so here's what I heard is so correct me if I'm wrong um what I heard is because of this project we have met the needs of the youth who are homeless in this community is is is that what I heard the only correction I would make commissioner is that there it's young adults 18 to 29 yes I I just want to clarify for even the public watching you know a lot of times we use the word Youth and that's a CH that's someone under 18 um it's really kind of yes but I would say correct in your statement that for young adults across our coordinated entry counties um which is that the group that Jen mentioned um we have met the need I don't if you have additional comments yeah I just want to note that we met the need as of the day the last person moved in corre correct there will always be new people who come to the surface who are seeking assistance but but yes okay the the um so yeah so I appreciate that um because it does beg the question um you know if if we've met the need at this moment in time you know is there more need and I'm assuming that that you're kind of keep keeping track of that as well um I I can also just add that um several of them have had guests who are experiencing homelessness and so then we've been able to assess them and and um try to match them to services that would be best for them so sometimes when they have a home then it uncovers more like we'll we'll find out more and so maybe we'll get a few more on the list now because of this property so it is actually helpful to find more homeless yes excellent and then um there's been a theme that I have heard not in in in the last number of months certainly since I've taken on this job but prior to that and that is Staffing challenges so I'm assuming since there are Staffing challenges and that you've had some openings H how are you meeting the need needs um with those challenges i' I'd just like to hear some of those kind of Creative Solutions that I that I know that you have been coming up with um so uh well like one day I was there um so I and and it um brings me back to the work that I did prior to coming to Camp agency being a youth worker but um so we've just all kind of just shared and um you know spread ourselves out so that we can cover as many other shifts as possible and then um you know doing a really good thorough process of hiring the next people y so y excellent all right well and again just thank you um I just this is such an exciting project and such a beacon of so many private Public Partnerships and just the amount of lives that are going going to be changed so thank you for sharing um The Challenge es and also those WIS building a community and I I foresee lifelong connections with these individuals and that's that's a big deal because that's that's how people survive and and Thrive so thank you again for your work and thank you for so many people in the room who have also been in involved as well Mr chair fate Susie thank you um we had talked about this at our CDA meeting last week and Bob and day were there and presented it and the CDA with Allison and her staff are very supportive and very thankful for what you do and to be a partner in this project um all the requirements have been met by the state there's currently two on the waiting list correct or is the waiting list grown for new referrals into you might be about right with two but I I'd have to look today there's probably a couple more new ones since um since the last time I checked good and then if the board can remember this was a use of the arpa funds and there's no debt on the building currently so that's another good thing one of the questions that came up in the CDA meeting was the community push back uh if some of us can remember there was the not in my backyard syndrome that took place and unfortunately that happens quite a bit and none of that came to fruition and now the community has been so supportive and that's just an example of the project and what we're doing and and what we're accomplish me accomplishing at the end of the day so great job thank you commissioner I'll just make one quick comment to that I I mean I I give cap a lot of credit and I don't know how I can even say how much credit I want to give them in these kinds of situations things can go bad quickly as you know and I think it speaks to I mean certainly Bob and Dave and the team and the private you know public partnership that help build this building it's a beautiful building it's it's landscaped beautifully it looks nice when you drive by I mean I think it's been well maintained I mean it's only been six months but I you know when I've drive by it's it's always looks very nice there it's not as if there's even you know there's cars that are you know broken down on the parking lot and those kind of things but I give credit to cap because the the amount the fact that they have a Livin person there and I know he gets his door knocked on a lot so credit to the person who stays living there to provide the support but the support from cap that that case management piece that is giving the kinds of support folks need to have their needs met also helps to to maintain that safe environment where folks aren't drinking partying doing things that would cause disruption to neighbors um so much credit I think to the to the services provided there that also have made these these new young adults good neighbors so just want to highlight that commissioner Lynch um thank you Mr chair thank you for the clarification but as an old guy I think 18 to 29 are youth me too I know you didn't uh touch on it it's probably in the goals but I assume that there's uh chemical help available counseling somewhere there is all right yes they um when we meet with them and um do assessments and figure out what their needs are um if that is something that they're interested in or if that is something that is causing them challenges then we helped direct them to U chemical health wonderful and uh this is a great uh great presentation great success story um my my thought is that uh I see Mr Norby in the audience today and I was just wondering do they have chance to have volunteer opportunities because I think most of the time you mentioned the one individual who never had any experience a positive experience if they could um volunteer opportunity with Mr nby comes to mind because he's here uh building a a bed or something like that and actually seeing an accomplishment and helping out I think would help out immensely for for someone like that just a thought absolutely thank you I would volunteer to ride on his Harley-Davidson beautiful bike that I I envy it so with that uh board chair I'll close I just want to highlight that there is a one pager um hopefully in your packets if not I can certainly email that to you uh just want to give credit to cap as well for working with us on putting that together it's a bit of a snapshot shot in time but does give that kind of six-month recap uh was kind of created around February 1st right at the 6th month Mark um we did that so that you all as Commissioners and others can have that to share with constituents or other entities who might be interested in just having a high level overview of the first six months of the project uh so if you don't if you want that emailed or need that uh from me let me know uh and with that I will I will go ahead and close unless there's go ahead board chair please well first of all I think we play a little inside ball and I know that people have been using the names Dave and Bob in here and I'm glad you you put that list of supporters up Tim a hired up in Chan Hass and a um strong quiet contributor to our community all the time uh but Bob being uh former mayor Bob ripy and Dave being former county or city administrator I almost gave him a raise Dave borney yes who we've all known for for many many years Dare To Dream stuff and so a good Bunch um but um by the way the I think if you've been in elective office for a while the the not in my backyard I always much more rather enjoyed the banana which is built absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone um and I learned that as a city council member I now live across the street from Bluff Creek Elementary when The Neighbor neighhood became very angry that an elementary school would be there to which workmen coined if I told you I was going to build the Gates of Heaven across the street from you you might complain about the noise and the dust and the uh the lighting uh because it'd be a busy place hope hopefully um uh but let can I just quickly focus on what maybe missing in my mind if I'm going to be a resident there it sounds like work is a pillar of this uh concept that we encourage you to work Senator Norm Coleman always said if you want to cure poverty get a job if you want to cure homelessness get a job crime get a job um I'm assuming that's a that's a big big part of this but how how would I if I don't have a job and I and I uh I I am moving in here and and maybe I do have a job do I want to leave here is it is it normal are we are we can we predict what these folks want to do in the future about moving on to something that commissioner udman talks about the next step level housing is that something that it's talked about how how how long can I live here well we haven't set a time limit but that is an integral part of the case management and case planning that uh cap and I I Susie you can probably speak to it better than I can but that that that cap is doing with those young adults I mean I think right from day one the the message is you can't live here forever this I mean we it's not transitional housing per se but this is really a stepping stone in your journey and it's really around how do we set you up for that next step and a lot of that is around building you know and it might be okay first we need to address maybe as as commissioner Lynch pointed out some of the some of the substance use issues it might be first then we need to work on some of the mental health challenges but how do you continue to work and and have those Stepping Stones where you get to a point where you can be you know either volunteering uh to your point with uh with Al With Love INC or to find a part-time job and then eventually a full-time job and how do you work folks um through the steps So eventually they are gainfully employed can can have the kind of you know revenue and income um that commissioner udman talked about that it would take to live in a market rate apartment or possibly a CDA unit then may that's a stepping stone in between uh to move so I do think there's constant conversation around forward progress and what what are all the pieces that that you need to work on to get there and is it a fast process for some it might be others it might be two or three years so I don't know if you have more to add on that Susie um I don't really um but um I I do think that it is a journey and um each person is different and so it's meeting them where they're at and figuring out is is it volunteering first is it is it working on goals that is around hygiene first and just figuring out how to wake up every morning and set your alarm clock and do those kinds of independent things or are we doing interview classes and and teaching them how to write resumés and then you know having employment and then Employment that actually will sustain them somewhere so I mean it's all everybody's individual I think it's the value though of not having a project like this where folks just live there and we pay the rent and Excuse me give them you know give them the funding to live there it's really why you have to wrap in that kind of wrapper on Project of of Workforce Services housing supports all of those pieces case management uh because it does do I mean every week I know when your staff are in there meeting with folks it's about how do we keep moving forward and working on goals uh so that we so we get you where you want to be wherever that is at you know when you by yourd time you're 30 I mean those kinds of things how do you set those kind of five and 10 year goals for folks well good thank you so much and uh look forward to the 12 month update yes and uh but thanks for all you do I'll share one quick thing and it's not my news to share necessarily but you bought brought up Bob and Dave I do know that they have already they aren't wasting any time of course and maybe commissioner F you heard this at the CDA meeting um they don't sit on their Laurels they're already starting um a project with um New Beginnings which is another um organization we work with that works with um young um pregnant women um or teenagers that are pregnant and so they're working on um expanding their footprint and um and adding more units so to commissioner ud's comment you know how do you add one or two units it's by partnering with entities that already exist I think in expanding uh their their presence in the community and so I won't share details because it's not mine to share but they are hard at work already on Project number the next project so and lastly I'll share um Jen Romero who's standing behind me and uh Richard Scott who couldn't be here today um are presenting uh this Thursday morning to the chesa rotary um a similar presentation to this so just wanted to show you know throw that out there in case there's public listening that want to uh and might be at The Rotary meeting to hear the same presentation thank you thank you so much um Mr chair I'd like like point out that if you lived across from the Gates of Heaven all those pearls would make it impossible to sleep at night the what the pearls the Pearly Gates oh the noise from the gates playing always find something to complain who be who'll be the next I was able to go to a church service on Sunday with commissioner Anderson we didn't know we were going to see each other other over there my neighbor invited me uh Lawrence 83 three-year-old neighbor and neighor and uh so that was a great surprise over the weekend yes it was um Bob and Dave they're not going to be around forever and you know I don't know how long I'm going to be here but maybe Tom and Dave you can carry on the B thought we already did it there's more to do Dave all right we are going to talk about love Inc and all the good things they do good morning um Kate Robert fundes I'm a deputy director for Health and Human Services thank you so much for giving us an opportunity to share an impact report um that uh that life love in elor will be talk about I just want to remind the board that we appreciate one-time investment that we made a couple years ago um through pandemic recovery dollars that really focused on helping community to revitalize and invest into keeping Community safe and making sure the community members have transportation to connect them to jobs or to the wellness activities that can sustain their wellness and as they move forward with their lives so with that I'm going to turn over turn presentation over to Norby who has board members and our um C program partner in the audience so he'll introduce them as we do in this impact report presentation so thank you thank you Kate uh thank you Bor what a great opportunity to come and share some really exciting numbers and behind all these numbers of course are real people and real stories so just grateful to um have the reasons why we're here this morning a couple people I want you to be aware of Jenny Ericson is our helpline coordinator she she runs our our first voices of help and hope for people who call in including the vetting process for the Craig program Mark men Zimmer is the owner of Christian Brothers Automotive this was our partner in the car repair program so we're going to hear from these guys too here uh in a minute but in regards to the diaper and baby wipes I want to make sure we uh include the baby wipes because that's sort of they kind of go hand inand uh no pun but um besides supplying uh young moms with diapers we also provide baby wipes so um you can go ahead and is there an ad oh do I just Advance here thanks okay thanks um just a reminder of of kind of who we are at the course that we want to see lives and communities transformed there's something unique that's happening in caror County with over 30 churches 11 denominations with one purpose is to show compassion to our neighbors who are hurting this doesn't happen everywhere it doesn't uh the lutherans and the Catholics and the Baptists and the Presbyterians have got a history of not playing well in the sandbox and it's happening here and you talk about Bob ruy and he's told stories of because I think he was a he was a a St John's kid Mary's a a guardian angels gal and that was a little scandalous back in the day but uh times have changed and it's different and uh when churches of all things uh seek to a light and a pillar in the community actually uh can lock arms and do good work together so H yeah um we're on we're on a religious kick here today but we're all going to the same place when we die at the Gates of Heaven across the street for me right but the the Catholics have 15 minutes less processing so that's fair that's fair they suffer I hope the lobb's in good shape um as you guys know our our mission is to unite the faith community to uh mobilize them and to pull our compassion and resources so that we can be efficient and not be redundant and wasteful with resources to be good stewards and so I'm hoping that you feel the same way we do about this reporting because that's what's happened is uh great we believe great use of of funds um from from the county so thank you here's some things you might want to know this is for diapers and baby wipes um our first invoice was back in 23 um I don't know how much do you want me to just scroll through these bullet points do you want me to verbalize all of them you can see them in front of you tell us the story yes tell us a story well we've got some some stories but um what is interesting in those numbers that tell a story you can see um the shift in the increase of diapers here in um Q3 and 4 of 24 uh from previous so something happened we're not sure exactly what other than the obvious we've got more kiddos that have come come into this world and so um we've seen an uptick in the needs for for diapers you can see that in the numbers there um another piece of information I want to draw your attention to I for me you know Vice chair Lynch you talked about what we Define youth as and I'm starting to feel the same way and now we've got these you know I'm now a grandfather uh I have a 9-month old grandson little earlier than we all hoped for but here we are uh we've got a little one in the family that um of course you do whatever it takes but um at $33 a diaper at 6 to 12 changes a day um that that can really add up for a a young person especially if they don't have you know dual income or or anything like that so what we're doing here does make an impact and you can see um approximately $120 this is just um math but um it affords a young mom um margin to purchase formula medicine baby hygiene products or other needs to Runner household one thing that people don't realize especially with our friends at bonti baskets who do amazing work and I loved seeing the the pantry that's inside West Creek uh it was very clean this look really great but there are some families in kiddos that have uh allergies or or other things that the food shelf may not have on their shelves for them so they have to go purchase them and so this is one way to help free up some funds to take care of a ky baby maybe or you know or or other things that the baby needs that they can't get from other um other sources of help so um the trajectory according to those numbers if if that um 86 average units continues is um the the grant that we had for the diapers and wipes which I think was 100,000 would be depleted um early in 2026 I also have Kathleen here she's our mission engagement she helps us with supply and demand of all of our Gap Ministries um and a couple board members here as well Bob and Paul thank you for being here um Kathleen do you want to speak to any of the young moms there's two things that are happening now one come on it's okay I know I know Kathleen uh like many people has a fear of public speaking so I just um check that box for her this morning uh but as well if you don't if it's okay to share Kathleen um is the former loving client and now a staff person so you talk about the relationship between receiving help and then giving help uh with volunteering back or or giving back in that sort of way um life doesn't have to stay stuck and our our our hope is to see people unstuck and be independent and that's what these programs are intended for and um so anyway Kathleen you want to speak to the diapers um one thing I did want to mention was that we brought on a new diaper Ministry in the the Western Carver County um side of the Carver County which would also be um one of the reasons why our numbers have started to go up because we are getting more reach into the community that we didn't have before um yeah don't like being on the spot but anyway is there any specific questions uh from the board that we could address that that's helpful because our our reach is growing and so therefore it's not just Eastern caror County families it's it's uh families that are all over the we've reached into aonia and we are also looking to partner with Norwood Young America to extend reach further in Norwood Young America and out into our rural part of the county Mr chair if I may I think sometimes um we're heavy on empathy because that's what you do right um and I think sometimes we don't say it but we're here we're trying to listen for what's the ROI and sometimes the Roi is we saved 120 bucks great we took a burden off of yours but sometimes the story is is I came and talked to Al based on a community reference and that might have been the difference between making the mortgage that month which meant they didn't go into default which meant that they didn't they didn't they didn't and I know that I went to one of the love in events where you spoke and you have those stories if there's something that comes to mind of somebody that you helped that could have gone down this path and I think the same conversation is true for what we talked about housing Mark I'm looking at you when it comes to people that have come into the care when it comes to the Gap Ministry of of of car and car repair but if you could just give us a story that had we not loveing not been there had we not partnered with you what might have the outcome been um well seeing as I am a single mother and a lot of the our clients are also in that unexpected single mother boat uh not something you plan for and it comes with a lot of expenses that you don't for see um I just for example uh we had one of our mothers come in um to one of our school drives and she came in as like everyone thinks that the clients that we help are people who don't have jobs um are all very lowi income and the reality is that a lot of our clients are School workers police officer families are people who are doing real work but the income doesn't match the expenses um but this particular lady who came in did work for the school as an art teacher um recently F found herself as a single mother and I think it was her mother that led her to Love Ink but when she came for the school supplies and she filled up the backpacks for her children she was just kind of wandering around and not not leaving just kind of didn't know what to do next and I came up to her and her thing was she was wanted to know how she could do this next year how can I help next year because she said the feeling she had almost was like she was stealing because this is stuff that she was not going to be able to afford on her own had she not had us there and a lot of those major expenses like school and Christmas and Thanksgiving that we all take for granted are major expenses for people that can put them underwater and that lead to the rent not being paid so having not only those kind of bigger expenses taken care of but adding up all of those little tiny things like your diapers and your uh shampoos and cleaning supplies that is a big chunk just go home and F find out what you use in a month and calculate that and you're looking at a couple hundred that is then able to go for uh unperceived medical expenses a higher utility bill than you thought you were going to get this month or helping to go towards your back rent or extracurricular activities for your kids because nobody wants their kids being the person who has to stay home thank you you I don't know if I have anything else to update with the diaper and baby wipes before we move on to the car repair unless there's other questions great job okay so the car repair assistant Grant or otherwise known as Craig um we we decided against the car repair assistance program because we don't want to call it crap that' be uh although it was ironic there was uh and Mark can tell you stories of some of the vehicles they that they had to determine as unre unrepairable but um we wanted this to be a positive vibe and uh I think the maximum Grant we had uh was a $2,000 plus we allotted some funds for potential tow it's sometimes the vehicle was stranded in in their parking or in their driveway or their parking lot um or they could get the car there but maybe couldn't get it to the junkyard things like that so we were leaving some space into that the conversation was with Kate and her team uh myself and Mark um about what would be the parameters what would what would be helpful because we've done a car repair assistance Pro program in the past uh with Love INC and some partner churches it just became very expensive to maintain and to sustain so U so we had a little bit of lessons learned that we were able to apply to to the um the original write up of the intake process and so forth so um you can see what what we had as uh eligibility um this was for safety issues only we weren't doing hail damage repairs or you know um Muffler upgrades and air intake upgrades this was just how can we get this vehicle safely running for someone uh they had to be a Carver County resident um an insured driver um what I also liked about this program is is every participant had skin in the game they they were putting money on the table toward this thing it wasn't a complete you know um 100% Grant not only that if if repairs exceeded the threshold of the grant um there was We There was a bit of a dance on that and and some of it was the um generosity of Christian Brothers as well as the client poting up some more money trying to scrape it up you know so scraping up three four maybe 500 bucks is different than 2500 bucks um anyway so those are some of the parameters on on the car repair when so I'm part of Chanhassen rotary and that's how I met Mark and Mark was telling the story of opening up this Christian Brothers Automotive and course that got my wheel spinning uh about you know what could a partnership look like you know with with an organization that had a a a similar posture and similar value to want to um serve the community and we were talking on and off about it um but they were still launching and anyway the timing ended up working out great because by the time they had opened up worked out all their Kinks like a new business uh does um this thing came to fruition and so it was wonderful to be able to pull the trigger on it and and and it only took seven months to burn through the 200,000 but um that was a lot of processing that we did um and uh couple couple clunky spots along the way but overall it I'm really happy with how it went from receiving someone saying that they qualify for this and then to see them through to get their car actually fixed them back on the road um Mark do you want to speak to your your guys's organization yeah thank you so much uh thanks for being here um if you don't know Christian Brothers Automotive we are a national franchise and so all of our shops are individually owned and operated I happen to live a mile and a half from the shop in Chanhassen so I grew up in that community and I'm new to the car business like most of our ownership we've got seven uh shops in the Twin Cities we just opened number 304 we're homebased in Houston we've been around for 42 years and we've never closed the shop we're still building about 10 shops a year as as people uh continue to be attracted to our values um talk about uh you know our guiding value of love your neighbor as yourself our our tagline is fixing cars driving joy and that's really what we try to do every day when we first enter this program and and become qualified as franchisees um all we talk about is becoming a Shining Light in the community and uh so our partnership with Love INC was was a great one so here's some metrics on I thought this was interesting the oldest vehicle uh we had serviced was a 1991 Volvo um let me guess that they have like 300,000 miles on it yeah um those things don't don't ever die it seems like the newest vehicle was a 2022 Mitsubishi or a Kia uh and and a um which is just to say we had cars all over the place it it wasn't um what you might think um 167 applicants you can see we had 99 I think the 99th was we still wrapping that up is that okay um so that one's in process um you can see that 42 withdrew expired or put on hold while waiting for it was similar like the question with with the West Creek you know why would someone withdraw or why would someone you know and there's a number of reasons um it the number of reasons maybe they found it something else or their friend to work on their car or um they just never saw it through for whatever reason um we didn't always hear the why but um but there was 25 cars that were deemed Beyond repairs these are cars that that Mark and his team you know sized up and said this isn't a good use of funding which is a very difficult message to serve back to to the the car owner to say we can't really do anything for you um but when we could we would help figure out how to dispose of the vehicle or you know um get it back to them and they could do whatever they needed to it to sell it or whatever um the average repair cost you can see was 1770 again this was just some math um and um Christian Brothers Automotive also I mean they they stepped up with um in-kind services and sometimes discounted services or parts when they could um not used parts that was one um critique that um some feedback was hey could we keep this Cheaper by using used parts obviously we're not using used parts in someone's vehicle for a program like this um but um but Christian Brothers also had some skin in the game with with what what they had done any questions on some of those metrics there um this is some of the survey highlights the survey only allowed 25 responses so you know there's almost a 100 participants but we could only see a portion of them um 76% that they were effective um this was curious half of them said that it helped them with employment access and another half for food and other Essentials um Family Support health care I mean these are the reasons why people are they're not just we're not just fixing cars so they can do a Sunday drive down to Redwing in the fall this is for people to do life and to get to their jobs and continue to maintain some element of stability and Independence that's an interesting one too the 96% reported the risk of high stress levels um if the repairs didn't happen the thought of not being able to make it to work on time maybe it's yet again um is stressful or getting a kid to their uh their daycare um the income loss there 76% were risk of income loss without repairs um or losing their housing that these are these are the real stressors it's not not you know um do we go to you know a movie or B movie or C movie this is I I I don't know if I'm I might lose my job if I don't get this $2500 car repair figured out you know so um that was a lot of the tone and temp of the conversations with our clients we call or the recipients of the grants um and they were also all over the age demographic um I don't know if we had all of those numbers but um and gender and I mean the race color and Creed it didn't matter um a broken down vehicle is expensive it's expensive for anyone in this room uh who had decisions about this program uh you get an alternator and and a and a radiator flush and you're like what you know no offense Mark it's just expensive work um but here's a couple stories I want to invite uh Mark and Jenny just to reflect on a couple of these so I think I think Mark can you tell us your last name sure men Zuber men Zuber I like that right your wife is Karen she is yes welcome we appreciate you being here thank you um we we listed three stories here um just as examples but there they're just again as Al mentioned it's all over the map the first one is about an elderly lady who just needs her her vehicle to do her grocery shopping and and run her errands and just just live a be a normal life and and I think that's a lot of what we saw um the second one is uh also an older woman um you know people right we all go through this as you age you get more nervous about lots of aspects of life and one of them is being on the road safe and so I think that was very common theme from all the elderly people we saw um there's also some younger uh younger mothers younger single mothers that we served um this is about keeping my kids safe and things like that so I I think it it didn't matter what the what the story was what what the age of the person was um this is about being comfortable and and and Al mentioned that what we focused on WE focused on safety and reliability a lot of these vehicles needed uh more work in other areas and it was really us grinding with the decision over you know what is what is safe and reliable right those are kind of vague terms and everybody would have a different definition of those um and and so it's really struggling over that and trying to make the best use of this money and leveraging it the best we could that's about it I I think uh I think that client see there uh is an anxiety that I don't think think I'll ever have out of my life uh the the anxiety of knowing you need a repair and maybe going to a shop that's giving you pretty high number and then if you turned around and went to Christian Brothers only to find out well maybe it wasn't that bad because um I think that's an anxiety people have about uh preserving some of their money and not putting it into a car um I know one way to do that that's just buy a brand new car and that's expensive and um eventually that wears out so but um I I think many of us in the room probably know this anxiety of unex unexpected uh car repair and other that can just throw you out of whack especially if you're younger and uh so you're you're bringing back memories I think so you can all we all probably have a car story so yeah no thank thanks for bringing that example up um I've been in this business three years I like most people think car repair is fairly black and white it's not there's a lot of gray in it you can take your your vehicle to three different good technicians and you might get three different answers um the what we have is not only experienced ASC Certified technicians we also have the best technology in the industry meaning we equip our technicians with the best Diagnostic and and software tools to be able to get to the root of problems and to be able to fix it properly the first time um so that's one advantage we have sure there's always a gentleman down the street who works out of his garage who can do it cheaper there's always buying used parts and we just don't do those things I I think our commitment to this program was that that once people left our shop we had a full understanding of what their vehicle was we decided that it was worth investing in and that would keep them safe and reliable for at least a period of time I'm happy to report that and I just asked the guys this morning um we have not had one Craig recipient returned to our shop after we've done repairs so at least for now those vehicles that we got back on the road are are are up and running but yeah thanks that's a great example no that if I could Mr chair that's wonderful if you could go back I think two yeah first of all thank you for all you do and I see you donated a lot of uh money but then number 10 really caught my eye it's 76% rated their experience with Christian Brothers as satisfied or very satisfied that's wonderful Commissioners never ranked that high yeah so anyway thanks for all you do one of the uh byproducts of doing a program like this is it involves a lot of other people and even the technicians at Mark shop were moved by the stories that came through and the opportunity to serve people uh it was pretty incredible to uh to watch them work I got a coupon in the mail and so went to get my oil changed at Mark shop and whilst sitting in the waiting room uh there was a client from the Craig program picking up his vehicle uh he stood out from the others and um was probably uh easy to pass judgment on some things because he he stood out because he didn't look like other people that might might shop there and uh Mark's staff treated that man like he was the mayor and that man was so excited it took him a long time to walk from the from from the waiting room to his car which is parked literally outside the door because this man was north of 300 lb he just was very unhealthy but and I think it was like a Dodge minivan it was just and the way that they treated this man uh he left with with dare I say a spring and a step and I got to witness it and I was just there get my all changed and to watch these guys treat that gentleman the way they did was um I was proud to see that so anyway my quote's not on there I just decid to throw that in there but here's some takeaways um that we collected just from our own experience and observations one there's a clear and present need I don't think anyone would argue that um car repair has just gotten ridiculous just like housing just like healthare everything is very expensive um uh the N the need transcends age gender Colin Creed we saw people from all walks of life um so to speak and um so it knows it it's it doesn't discriminate uh when you need your vehicle fixed and if you're having struggles to afford it uh one thing I I appreciate about partnering with Mark's team is that they they had a very very thorough diagnostic approach and transparency with the clients about their car's needs so not only were they able to go hey we're we've identified these key issues as safety and reliability issues but here's another report here's your report you can take with you to know how to maybe plan hey next time you're able to might want to address this or that like here's the sequence of of a plan that you might want to take to keep your car in in running order knowledge is power it was just great to be able to leave that with people um there is a learning curve this was this was the case I mean you said it yourself Mark you're not in the business of fixing cars you got into it so when people there's a lot of sticker shock even for us you walk in and you go really well it's because of this it's because of that so you're depending on someone's expertise which is why you have this fear of am I going to walk in there and they're just going to add another 60% to this thing just cuz they can because I I don't know what they're talking about um it's helpful when you can have people that you trust tell you what's up and and what's not you know don't worry about that but you should worry about this those are some takeaways um Anderson yes if I may um I just have so many comments so so bear with me um first of all as my fellow rotarians it was sort of fun to see um I'm a member of Chanhassen rotary with with you all so it was kind of fun to see this kind of take shape but it also T talks about the the value of Engagement and getting engaged in our community um to help others I think this presentation and the one before talk a lot about upstream and and really helping people um with with things they need so so it doesn't get worse and and when people have the Upstream barrier of scarcity whether that's um scarcity of resources or scarcity of of of whatever it is um it it create creates tunnel vision so they can't really solve problems that they need to if you can't get to work it's very stressful um and it's hard to think about how am I going to put food on the table how am I going to buy diapers how am I going to do this that and the other things so I appreciate the partnership and I appreciate the work you did on this program um and Kathleen I think you did an amazing job of sharing that story um but but that's what I see l in is all about is is helping people get on their feet by removing some of those barriers they need to do that so that we can help them you can help them um get the things they need so that they can lift and look ahead and figure out how they're going to make their next move forward and I'm just I'm grateful for that and I'm also grateful that um we've been partners with that and and I have to give a shout out to Heather for for working uh on this as well and and creating um this partnership and I'm just honored that as a member of this board we get to be part of that so thank you for that thank you commiss udman well Mr chair I don't know how vulnerable you want to be in the room but there's some of us sit up at this board that understand firsthand what it's like to be a single parent right they understand what it's like to walk in that office might not be 300 pounds and smelly but to get the look of you're a lesser than because you didn't come from that cast I hope most people listening uh the hardest decision today is where they're going to go on vacation or how they're going to get their steak cooked but not everybody has that luxury and I look at you you've been vulnerable in a lot of settings so I don't think I'm speaking out of turn there's some people that what that feels like and so I speak from experience on some of those and I Echo what Elis is saying you got to work Upstream um some of us have been in situations where you walk into a room and you're bered without facts and it hurts and you still have to navigate you still have to turn the key to the car you still have to pay the bills you still have to go to the next thing and so uh it it hits a cord when I hear some of these things um not from not from the headlines but from the front seat and then I asked the question why why didn't we do this earlier or why haven't we done it because it's freaking hard and we called out Bob and Dave in the last presentation I'll call out Heather and Kai what they're doing with project linkage almost every single time I'm at that linkage meeting the question gets asked one way or another where are their gaps where are there overlaps and how do we fill the need and there's always a need and this is one of those that was so darn hairy and sticky and yucky and nobody's been able to do it and some of the origins were a couple years ago at an AMC meeting I was s with Scott schy he one of our peers on the inoka board he runs a he just sold his auto repair shop in inoka and I said hey we we're we're toiling with this and our best answer is to ask Al Norby from Ling which is completely out of his Norm to do this and the only reason it fit in Al's pocket is because there was money and he can solve stuff right Auto Repair didn't fit nicely in any bucket certainly not Al he's got other things going on and Scott said you know the hardest thing that I have to do is if a young woman comes in has and we find um a crack frame she came in with a car that she thought she could drive and it's not it's not fair for us to set her out on the road with a crack frame that's a hard conversation to have because you don't know the next question and the next answer and so I look at this and say you know love Inc and Christian Brothers isn't the only one trying to tackle this problem there's an element of it at the rack they're trying to make tools available for people to repair it themselves they're trying to make space available most people don't even know about it certainly the last thing you want to hear when you got you know you just got to get the kids out of the car and get them to daycare or you got to get them to work the last thing you want to hear is well we got to fix it clinic in four months you know so you're you're addressing a need that's not being U addressed in so many different ways um and and I think we as a board of boldly especially in the last handful of years stepped into these sticky areas and so the next question is is what do we do next right the B the budget's out we don't have arid dollars to replenish it we know that there's a heart of people like Mark and his his wife and his team to to get involved with this we know Al's done an exceptional job we can push pause we can say no we're not going to do it again and lose all the momentum or we can do something and you I'm not a guy that likes to just throw down problems without Solutions but I know if we band together all the rotaries and all the Lions Clubs and all the Civic organizations across the county and if they just contributed 2% of the revenue that comes into their pocket we could fund this entire program not just one rotary at one time not just a you know here's a fun 5,000 bucks hey look what we all did but we could solve this problem for the next multi years with a commitment at that level and so I guess I'd ask you Al as kind of leader of this program um and maybe Heather as well Kate uh what are our plans for the next step as it relates to car repair assistance yep that's our question as well you know um we're we're interested in in partnering at whatever level it makes sense and this isn't easy it is hard if it was easy why don't they have this in every County I mean no no one's really doing it we tracked down a couple models that we were kind of looking at that are kind of Community Based or whatever it's beyond beyond like a private business um it's it's there's a lot of moving parts and so and if I may board chair Commissioners so as you probably we in a largest scale um board working really close with the community to address Transportation as a whole you know with investments into public transport expansion um Southwest Transit smart link so I actually leading the transportation work group as a as a result of our um health care plan assessment so that would be something I think as a part of our overall Transportation lad that we also could be will be working in assess you know how do we approach Transportation solution as a whole you know and I would be you know I'll work with Al to see if he's interested um to join the group or if we could just continue stay in stud because that's only one piece of overall kind of Transportation solution that we're looking at some of our Workforce programs currently have support services available for people to specifically for car repair is it relates to helping people get to work so just want to add that point to as well well if we can get a little tactical because I know we can have a lot of meetings but if we did a annual budget for something like this is is $300,000 a budget that you can work with is that too much not enough and then if we start whittling away you know can the county put up some dollars to match against um Mark your generous contributions on behalf of your staff and of course it's built on trust because anybody that looks at us like well he's still making money cor you got to keep the lights on right this is a piece of there's a lot of pieces of it but could we could we reach out to the to to to our community if they find Value on this what what do you think a good annual budget uh for us to think about an I mean we just did a program with 200,000 and we served 100 people just at face value that feels overwhelming right just with the the sheer scope of it um but if we had 200 plus another 200 say from various sources you know it would be a half million to to we we burn through it and 7 months and it's not like they were the only customers coming through you know he had a regular business and was able to fit all that in in very timely you know matter so um you know and and as far as us doing the vetting you know that's what we do uh we're getting better at it uh we're working on efficiency you know um challenges and so forth because we've got 15 different Gap Ministries that were that we setting in motion when when people call in for help out um and this was this was part of that and but we are interested in bringing that asset to the community that vetting and that caring for people navigating them to okay you you're calling about this let's let's see this you know happen um but I it seemed to me like a half a million at least I'm just I haven't thought about an annual budget for that so I'm just throwing that out to seven months 200 times two just thinking four to 500,000 to to do in in theory a couple hundred clients it's not lost on me that we've got headwinds budget headwinds and this is a discretionary space but I think that it'd be fruitful maybe in the next 30 days to to put together a budget what it might look like sorry I want to believe that there are some other businesses in this in this County that if they caught wind of something that they would perhaps be you know would to contribute to that um some key Partners you know um I I don't have that list in my head I'm just assuming with who we are here at Carper County we could probably find some yep and I'd imagine that there's Grant funds available somewhere maybe we don't qualify for them but um if we put together a budget for where the streams might look like and make it workable um I'd be in supportive looking at what that looks like in 30 days to see if we want to continue a program thanks thank you Bo chair commissioner so um yes we will look like I said I think I would we look in that and we look on a broader piece as a transportation part as well so thank you um other pro thank you um you know I've been involved in transportation and transit for a long time I know what Transit that is too expensive looks like I think the legislature is trying to address some of that um but Mobility that including put this into the broader Mobility picture for employment or other is a great idea um that's why I have um just always been closely uh well promoting Southwest Transit uh for what they do they're the creative uh future not uh not big old unwieldy Transit and expensive Transit and so plugging this uh into the the larger picture I think is a great idea thank you Mr chair Commissioners well thank you um V chair Commissioners County Administrator County attorneys for your time we appreciate it thank you very much thank you thank you I do believe uh unless somebody has anything more to say um I think we've reached the end of our our meeting thank you now we can talk about banana with that I don't think so e e for