July 21st, 2025 meeting. And we'll start by doing a roll call. We'll start over here. >> Alex Him, Adam Der, Chris Casey, >> Larry Schulz, >> Amanda Cahill, Mary Larson, >> Jacob Paul, >> Gemma Smith, and also joining us tonight is our summer intern, Ben Johnson. >> Okay. Well, thanks everyone and welcome. Uh the first item on the agenda is approval of the minutes from uh our last meeting which was uh held on June 16 and those minutes were sent out with your packet. So does anybody uh want to make a motion to approve those? I had a small correction. I think I was listed as attending but I missed that meeting. Okay. And I had a addition or not correction, but um that when we had talked about the Alagany um trail area as being like a under um you know utilized space, it's it said something about how we had talked about um viability of paving it, but Larry had made a point which I think is really um good for the history that the residents had um showed support for keeping that unpaved and just for the minutes. I think that would be nice to have in there because it sounds maybe like we thought like paving was a good idea where whereas like Larry's point I think like we don't want that to be communicated like that that we are suggesting paving and we'd rather keep it as residents want. >> Sure. >> Yeah, that can be added. >> Okay. Any other corrections? Okay. Is a motion in order with those corrections? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion's been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor of approving the June 16, 2025 minutes with the corrections. Uh please indicate by saying I. I. I. Those opposed say no. Motion carried. Thank you. Next, uh we have the petitions, proclamations, suggestions, or complaints from citizens, committee members, uh or staff. So, does anybody have anything they'd like to bring up this evening? >> Had one uh a citizen asked kind of open parkland or just general conservation land. if it's kind of the schedule for maintenance on the land. Is there a way that they should be able to get information on that? If say they wanted to mow over it to make it look better from their kind of perspective, what's kind of the process for that? >> It depends on how it's designated and so if it's designated as open natural spaces, it will not be mowed. >> Okay. >> Um if it's designated as like a playable green space, then it gets mowed. Um but it depends. So I would need to know which location they're discussing. >> Okay. And I would you indicating it's a neighbor one at the moment? >> It's a neighbor. Yeah. >> Yeah. I would say that anything like that should probably check with Jenna. >> No. Um residents shouldn't be maintaining city property. >> Okay. I'll check in with you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um, one thing I just wanted to mention to the group because we also had talked about like the not woods um trail area and we um biked through that um twice over the weekend and just something to note it that people are using it. There's like some little off-road trails in there too that aren't like the paved um trail. And um when we were in there, there's multiple families like using it as a little um almost like mountain bike trail. So, I just thought that was interesting because like people are utilizing it in different ways than um maybe we even thought um or and to mention it that I know we have access to the Monarch Trail system within Carver Park Reserve, but just that people are also recreating um in like little mountain bike type paths um in the city too. So that could be an amenity that um we think on um for um a new park space or whatnot. And then uh we were also at the Lions uh softball tournament at Lions Park. So, it was amazing to see um how many people the the Lions group brought in to the community. Um and um how how people were using all the spaces there and and whatnot. Um, one thing I wanted to mention is that on one of the fields I overheard discussion between umps and players that there was trees overhanging the like fall ball post like it's a big yellow post in the outfield. So, they had to decide on um what the rule was going to be in that situation if a ball hit the tree that was overhanging that. So, just wanted to mention for um park update, but it was it was packed. It was a packed packed house. >> Other comments? I just had uh one thing. Just wanted to uh thank Jenna again for the and for all of you that were able to attend to come to the park uh open house at Huntersbrook. I thought it was really a successful event. I don't know. I don't know if we had a count, but I guess 70 plus, >> maybe more. Um, and a great turnout. I thought we had good input and, uh, it seemed like that neighbors were pretty excited about having a park and very open about providing input. So, great to see. So, thanks, Jenna. You're >> welcome. >> Okay, Jenna, you had some things you wanted to bring up. >> Yep. So, just some updates on things that have been going on around our department and our city. So, um if you've been to the Victoria Recreation Center, we got a little bit of a facelift in terms of we have new building signage um that is all over the facility. So, um it's very thoughtfully designed and it really helps with um getting around the facility. Um, additionally, there are new fence guards that are installed on the uh, pickle ball courts to help with um, preventing any injuries um, for the very dedicated players um, on the pickle ball courts. Uh, we also have a new memorial bench that was installed at Lions Park that was revealed um, and dedicated this past weekend at Oldfest. Um, so that was good honoring a longtime um, Lions Club member. Um the park development survey is currently still um accepting um responses. The QR code for anybody who's watching online um will take you directly to that survey. But uh to date we have nearly 500 surveys. Um I think when I checked beforehand it was at 493 which is probably one of the biggest responses we've had um in our surveys for a while. Um so that's good and it's not even closed yet. So um so that's great. We do um thank you for the feedback regarding the last uh engagement event. We do have two more that are coming up. One um is coming up this Wednesday, which is a um more relaxed um environment to be able to talk about some trails and things like that. It'll be going on at um Lions Park um entrance to the Notreman Trail. Um and so we'll be there at 9 on Wednesday. And then we have another evening one on August 19th that will be um very similar to the one that was held at Hunters. And that one will be from 6:00 to 8 at Marsh Hollow's future park site location. And so um I encourage uh anybody who's listening to be able to join us for that one as well to share um feedback. Um and then we do uh still have one more uh wonders of man camp coming up that is accepting registration up until this Friday. Um and so if anyone's interested in participating in that one, that one is focused on outdoor sportsman. So all sorts of outdoor recreation will be included with that. Okay, great. Thanks, Jenna. Uh, we have no old business uh this evening. So, the next item on the agenda is new business. We're going to review the amenities and features of our current city parks and trails and have a discussion about some things that uh we may wish to add or things that we have that aren't being used. So, Jenna is going to kick us off on this one. >> All right. So, what I'm going to do um first is we're going to go through all of the current amenities. And so, we'll discuss um the things that we've already got going on um in our locations, things that are um in surrounding neighborhoods, um communities, things like that, things that are in Victoria um that people have access to. And so, we'll go through, it's pretty detailed, um and we'll see what it is that we currently have, and then I have some discussion questions at the end. Um so for the first two slides um these are our baseball and softball fields and so um you'll be able to see um so this picture here is on uh our detail ball fields and so two of those fields are um rated for youth or baseball or softball. Uh and then we have one high school regulation size um or baseball field there as well. Um there are dugouts at each of them, but only the uh baseball one has covered dugouts. Uh the other ones are uncovered, just fenced in. Um we do have bleacher stands um at um each at field three um and one in two um that are fairly small in size. Um and then at Victoria Elementary, we have um one youth baseball field and then another one that's designated for both baseball and softball. Um, and again, we have some uncovered dugouts there. At Lions Park, we have four different um, baseball or softball fields. Um, uncovered dugouts for each of these. There's bleacher stands. Um, lights are available at fields two and three. And then, um, at Lions Park as well, we've also got Puppets Field, which is home to the Victoria Vicks, um, and is another location for, um, Holy Family currently. Um at Rap City and Lakebridge uh we have two baseball softball um fields and then um uncovered dugouts as well. We have multiport fields located throughout Victoria. Three of them are at DTOM, one is at Lake Bridge, uh and then one is at Lake Town Park. Um typically these are used for variety of different sports um but primarily soccer, lacrosse and flag football. We have a lot of different types of courts throughout the city. Um we have basketball courts um at Lions Deer Run uh which is a half court one. Um Lakeside Estates, Lake Ridge Park, Meline Creek, uh South Lake Virginia Shores, which is also half court. Um and Rafy, which is also half court. Um we've got our um eight pickle ball courts um at Dtown Park. Um, and then there's tennis courts at Lions Deer Run, South Lake Virginia Shores, and 81 at um, Holy Family. We've got park shelters um, located throughout the city. Uh, we've got Wasserman um, shelter where it's got two different sides that can be rented. Um, this one has indoor restrooms uh, as well as outdoor grills. Um, we've got, uh, Rap City Park, which has a concessions area as well as, um, indoor restrooms. We've got the band stand located downtown. Uh, we've got the Lakeidge Park, which also has an outdoor grill, and Lakeside of Stage, which has an outdoor grill. And then Lake Town Park, Meline Creek Park, and South Lake Virginia Shores. All of these are rentable facilities. We have 17 total. I'm not going to list off all of these for you guys. Um, but there are 17 total play structures, so playgrounds um throughout uh Victoria that are rated for that um 5 to 12 age range. Um, we'll talk about some of those amenities here in a little bit, but um we've got 17 of those. And then we have five total that are rated for ages 0 to 5. Um some of them could fall in a category of uh leniency towards two to five. Um but all of them um are applicable for zero to five depending upon ability level. And then throughout our playgrounds we have quite a few different types of amenities um at our playgrounds. So we have lots of sw slides swings um both toddler and traditional. Uh we have a variety of different climbing structures, hanging bars. We have spinning structures, rockers, forts, seessaws, circular swings. Um there's one rope bridge, a tic-tac wall, a digging machine, and one of our facilities has a zipline, which if you do hear um public-wise um there was some damage to that zipline, but it is on order to be replaced. So, if you do hear that slash if anyone is listening online, that is being replaced here soon. Um, some miscellaneous stuff that's throughout that doesn't fall in one of those other categories is we do have um the outdoor ice rink and small warming house at Lions Park. We also have the skate park there. We have the Gaga ball pit at Rap City Park that was installed last summer. We have natural play areas um at Wasserman Lake Preserve. Uh we have a fishing pier at Wasserman Lake Preserve which also has the um kayak boat launch. And then we have community gardens which are located at DTOM and Holy Family. Also got a variety of different green spaces. There's some that are natural spaces and somes that are just open spaces. Um the difference between the two are just types of use. So the open space is typically an open field. We have um a lot of trails um around uh Victoria. Between trails and sidewalks, I think the number is 53 miles that you guys could walk around. Um but with these we do we did note that some of them have benches and other um amenities like a bike bike bike repair area or seating areas. Um one notable one is um there is a trail around Lakeside Estates that doesn't have a bench on it. um if that want is something that we would want to consider. And then some of them do have uh benches that are um tailored around a play structure within the park area. Can I ask you a question? Are the tables and chairs down here um city tables and chairs or are those owned by some of the businesses? >> Where are you? >> Um on the >> on the patio like the the black and Okay. All right. And then other um notables to mention, um we do have a variety of things that are um in Victoria that are not necessarily cityrun, but they are still obviously amenities for our residents. Um one of those is a private privately run golf course at Deer Run, um the dog park that's um run by Carver County, as well as two different boat boat launches at Stiger Lake and Lake Sombra. So that leads us to our discussion. >> Okay. So the first question is we'd like to have some discussion on is what is the city of Victoria doing well in terms of the amenities available? You want to start us up? >> Lots of baseball fields. >> Okay. I guess from my perspective, um I think there's quite a bit of variety. I mean, it seems like if you want to do one of those activities, it may not be right in your neighborhood, but it's pretty close you can get to. And um you know, I think we have a a lot to offer. Yeah, I've lived in a handful of different cities and this by far is the most number of or largest number of parks that I've seen. I feel like every turn that I take, I see another park, which is great. I'm glad that we're effectively using the space. And um so I think that just the availability of the spots to go for for folks is is what we're doing really well, I think. >> Other thoughts? >> I would say the investment in popular activities such as the pickle ball courts. I'll just name it. I mean, that's a that's a really popular activity and we made that investment to make that happen. So, >> do Jenna, do we have a sense of uh how these parks how well they're being utilized? >> Um, well, we don't have people that are actually out there counting. So we don't have an accurate record of tracking um in terms of just unscheduled use but we do have um some utilization um in terms of um how many people are renting the shelters uh things like that which has gone up um even just in this last year. Um so we've seen an increase in our park shelter rentals with private um groups coming in. So we heavily get our shelters being used for things like graduation parties or birthday parties or family gatherings. Um so we get a lot of utilization from that. Um as well as uh our fields and baseball um diamonds. Uh we have our associations that heavily utilize those. And so while we definitely do have a lot of them, um they are um heavily utilized by um our associations. And so there's leagues that are going on as well as our own internal league of course. Um and so um we throughout the seasons we have um associations and organizations that we partner with that utilize um the fields through as soon as it's warm enough in spring all the way up until um the end of September. Um and so um our fields are at a premium. So we're during our prime hours um they're constantly being rented. And then we also have some camps that utilize it during the day. Um, so we've got a lot of that going on. Um, and so I would say our all of our sports amenities are very heavily utilized. Um, a lot of our, um, unique amenities are heavily utilized as well. Um, our guard plots um, sell out um, really quickly every year. So um, we have a lot of dedicated return renters that come back every year. So those are heavily used. Um, the walkarts are heavily used. Um, so we do have a lot of heav heavy utilization of our parks. Um, the one thing that is hard for me to track is the usage of our playgrounds. >> Okay, great. That's helpful. I think too um the addition of Waserman in that natural play space um was a big like wow you know like it it is um like different than the other parks. So in terms of a lot of the things that are out there. So not just the play space but the the shelter, the the fishing pier. Um, I know you said, you know, amenity, a variety of men amenities and access to amenities. So, I know kids are um, you know, older kids in that teen, which we sometimes talk about, they're definitely going down to the fishing peers and biking there because I I hear about that and they're going to Wasamrin and they're they're coming to Stager and and and whatnot. So that's probably not a very tracked um area. And so I do know that from others. >> Yeah, I'm I'm seeing them biking past our neighborhood all the time with fishing poles. I know. >> It's good to see. >> I think we're doing a good job connecting our trails to kind of use downtown as like the center. Like we've got what do you say? 53 miles >> trails and sidewalks >> and sidewalks. But it's helpful because if you want to go to Carver Park, you can take the trails. If you want to go into Excel, you can just take the trails. Like it's really bikable, which is nice. >> Okay. Other thoughts? I think in general, we do a very good job maintaining the parks. I mean, the the facilities and ground screws are >> public on top of it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Great. >> All right. Let's move on to the next question. Uh, what amenities that we currently offer need improvement? Well, I did see the new bench at Lions this weekend and it was being utilized and that got me thinking that probably there would be opportunities for additional benches um just in in parks and grounds areas as well. Um, and then over at um, DTOM Fields, there was like an adult male baseball game going on. And what I didn't realize was like a really nice feature was the rows of trees planted between um the ball um field spaces because those were being heavily utilized by people wanting to sit in the shade and you know nowhere else for for spectators was was there you know shade or whatnot. So, I don't know if um I know this says amenities, but I don't know if you know addition of trees in spaces could also be something we look at. >> Shade structures also exist. So, if it's an area that we couldn't grow a tree, um if it's something that we think that a shade structure would be place for, those exist. Um I'm a proponent for trees, but at the same time, yeah, require a lot more maintenance. And so if it's in an area that wouldn't sustain a tree, that could be an option. >> Other thoughts? >> Just on the the topic of trails, um we do have a lot of trails and especially once you're kind of in a neighborhood, you can get around on trails very easily. There's still some busy roads that you have to cross to go from, for instance, Lake Town to downtown um that don't feel super safe. Um, so that I think could be improved for the trail system in general to become more accessible. >> Kind of piggybacking on that and and what you had said about people using Wasserman for uh going out there on bikes, you know, fishing. There's really no, it's hard to get there uh without going on that busy road. It's kind of even busier now with the detours. Um, so One more thing about the as far as needing improvement, I would say some of the older trails are getting a little worn. Um there's one right outside of the um the rec center that I've biked now by a couple times when I go by there and it's it's a little worn. There's a couple others. There's some of the older ones. I'm just, you know, I know that we're doing a really good job of maintaining our parking equipment, but I'm starting to see some wear and tear a little bit on the older trails. >> I don't know what our plan is for Yeah, we've been working with our public works team to identify um next steps on how to do that. Um but as we've discussed before, trails are not >> um and so um some of them were able to refill um but other ones are ones that we need to plan for a replacement. >> And then I know I already mentioned the the seating down there. It's always heavily utilized. So, I I don't know if there's an opportunity to add some more tables and chairs um in the space that's out here by the banchill um the patio area. Um especially on like car nights and weekends. Um just everyone is vying for for there. >> Okay. >> Other thoughts? Are we able to use the water kind of behind us? Like if we put an access point into the water straight back is that option >> tricky because not all of it's ours. >> Okay. >> So we um some of that would be operating off of land that um is owned by Three Rivers or Carver County or >> Okay. >> whichever one it is. So that's partially why we don't have one that's going directly off from here. >> Okay. Because I know in Victoria South a lot of us a lot of us go to Chaza for fireman's park over there just because there's water access. There's concessions kind of that's they've made that their central park. I if there's ways to explore that downtown here, that'd be pretty cool. >> Okay, good point. Other thoughts before we move to the third question? >> Okay, third question. What amenities are missing that could be incorporated into our parks and trails system that could increase utilization? I guess kind of a hybrid of the second bullet and this bullet and kind of piggybacking off of what Chris was saying and and Amanda of whether it's benches or access, but just thinking about downtown and knowing there's a lot of folks down here like just coming down on Sunday to grab something to eat. It was packed down here and there's a draw of people. It would be nice if there was some other additional focal point, whether it was not even a play structure, but just to start thinking of another item that could get people to come down that then would generate commerce as opposed to kind of the commerce driving the the population maybe down here if they're not coming off of the trails or making there be like a, you know, end of the line um somewhere around here destination activity of some sort. I you know that would just drive some folks down here. I think that would be helpful for for all involved for you know utilizing use getting people to come down here and then helping helping the businesses especially with the construction that's now ongoing and it's going to continue for the foreseeable future to just add additional items to make people want to come down. I will say um while I don't 100% know what the amenities are going to be um when we are expanding to downtown west um there are some public spaces and things like that that will be incorporated into that that might be able to um fulfill that. >> So even if we can't fit it into the the footprint of the existing downtown um it is expanding. So there will be more opportunities to recreate and come together as a community once um that's developed. Like maybe like a water feature. >> All TBD, but uh we can we can >> I didn't want to sound like a broken record, which is why I'm like sitting here quiet. The third bullet point. Water feature. >> Water access. >> Yeah, that is quick access. Splash pad. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The splash pad was a hot topic at the the hunter. >> I'm sure we'll see it in the survey results, too. >> Yeah. It was also a favorite um because we did park engagement at the um truck rodeo um this past week as well. Um and we also had um a pick your favorite amenity board on there and splash pad was um the obvious choice. We couldn't even see the words by the end of it. So >> yeah, >> the public has spoken about splash pad. Okay. Some sort of a water feature has been noted. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because there's so many options, right? There's the options that are like at fireman's that are just like coming up off this the cement and then there's >> you know I don't know if anyone has been out to Delano >> but if you have littles Delano's splash pad is just like amazing. I mean obviously they have landscape structures out there um as a part of their community but you know there's just there's so many different variations. We were just at the um sand venture in Shakapei which was a unique structure with you know kind of like the three rivers kind of natural sand bottom with play structure going into like a filtered of some sort water feature with concessions and that was pretty unique. A lot of families utilizing that. I know the three rivers option gets utilized similarly and I' I've heard a lot of traction recently about kind of the mountain bike trails that are going in in Chaka. um as a kind of a fun unique feature. Um so those are bigger items, but just thinking of kind of larger kind of get people interested and excited about something. You know, one thing we've talked about in the past, um, and I we also talked about how expensive it can be is an outdoor pool >> and or, you know, more than just a splash pad, but outdoor pool with slides or whatever. There's really, to the best of my knowledge, not any real close here. Um, and I think that's something that would really draw people from other communities here. uh since there isn't one nearby if our interest is drawing people into our community uh and also serving our our residents. Um you know unfortunate thing is we have a thing called winter that seems to be last too long. So I mean it's something that doesn't get used a lot. I mean from a over the whole year period but I think it would be heavily used in the summer if we could swing it somehow. Just a question for those that are more familiar with splash pads than than I am. I mean, what age group does that serve? >> It's the younger kids. I was done dealing the one with my grandkids who are two and four and they they had a blast. And there were kids there maybe up to age eightish. Okay. >> And that was about it. But they're maybe there with a younger sibling >> kind of a thing. And it it always depends on what the amenities are because um depending upon the scope of the splash pad, I will say um they are sprinkler based and so if you hit an age where you don't enjoy running through water, then that's probably not going to be a thing for you. But there are some amenities that are significantly larger that could appeal to a larger age range. Um there are some shapes that are a little bit more. So, um, it could target a wider range, but I would say typically it's 10 and under. >> Okay. >> Yeah. My girls are nine and 11 and they're like just cuz they would like it, but they like look old out there, you know? They're like, this is kind of, you know, there's a lot of little kids here. But to Jenna's point, um like Maple Grove um community park um has um a lot of amenities in one area and that is just one that's you know shooting high or or whatnot off the pavement, but then everyone's like taking that water and putting it down this like metal slide and going insanely fast. So like so like it appealed it it appealed to a greater age range, right? Like because they had the adjoining um structures that were of for a higher level um of age group of um of play. So >> at one time we had some discussion uh somebody had brought up u about like a ninja >> course. >> Yeah. >> Uh that you know might appeal to you know more teenage I mean younger but also teenage kids um even I don't know if something like that has any interest but might be something to to explore. We also talked about at this meeting uh you know like hammock around or places that at least have those or people could bring their you know something to uh if one community had some where they just had the you know the u standards and you brought your own hammock um um you know could do something like that too especially in some of the nature type parks. Do we have any waterfront areas that the city could use to do more like beach beach type things? I know Excel sure has a park with the beach that we were on yesterday. >> Not yet. >> Okay. We had we had talked uh one time about um trying to plan ahead about is it Pearson Lake or Lake Pearson >> is the next lake that's close to the city >> with swimmable water. That's the other thing is a lot of our lakes don't have water that's swimmable. >> Yep. >> Yeah. So Pearson Lake would be one if we were able to acquire um access to beachfront property. um that's still TVD, but that would be the one that would be um considered for that if possible. >> You know, it seems seems to me that we might want to try to get out in front of that one because I would think that whoever owns that land now, uh when they they sell it, um there's going to be a considerable tax consequence. So, a way for them to perhaps reduce their uh taxes would be to donate some of that property to the city. Um, so, you know, I wonder if we shouldn't start having some of those conversations with people that may own that land and just say, "Hey, if you're ever thinking about selling this, uh, here's something for you to keep in mind." that would be a legacy you could leave to the city but also help themselves reduce some of their taxes because once they sell it then it's maybe totally gone. That opportunity is gone. So other thoughts about amenities that we're missing that could be incorporated into our parks and trail system? >> Uh like a trail or sometimes boardwalk around water tends to be very popular. Uh, somebody mentioned Fireman's Park. There's also a couple or few in Minnotonka that are all well trafficked. People like walking around uh water. Another one. I don't know if we have any like volleyball and volleyball courts. Those tend to be >> Yeah, that's a good Those draw people on the weekend especially, I think. Good one >> on the ninja park um comment and what's missing. We also talked about like a um poured accessible park. >> So most new parks that I see that are being built are of like the poured rubber. >> Um >> it's called poured in place. >> Okay. Um and so that would be one that um would be new or different >> um not repeating um kind of same offering um that I would see would be important in considering for new parks. >> Yeah, I would lobby hard for that. Delano has a one really really nice accessible park and and my grandkids had a fun time on it anyway because they were they were having a good time and the equipment and it was just really kind of seamless how they just incorporated things that were accessible for wheelchairs but yet um they were just able to play on it all as well and so it just works for everybody. Um it's really really nicely designed park so I thought that was a good standard. Okay. >> Other thoughts? >> Do, and this is maybe me just not knowing how city government works, but like would you speak to Chanhasson and Chaska's park directors too to kind of coordinate different amenities or is that something that's not as common? Uh we wouldn't in terms of coordinating amenities, but I am in contact with um the I'm very well connected to our neighbors. Um and so we try not to duplicate, but if there's something that's working successful that is too far for our residents, things like that, um we do generate and share ideas um often. >> Okay. >> Um and so that is something that is a part of what I do. >> Okay. because I'm curious if like you've gotten feedback from other cities like we think Victoria could have this to draw people into Victoria. Is that have you had anything come your way? >> Um I haven't had necessarily that type of a conversation. Um but we've had conversations about um what's working really well, what um what might not be working very well and maybe what they're missing that they can't do that people are asking for. Um that's been mentioned. So >> can you share some of those with us? um a lot of the things that have been mentioned just have been um like limited fields and things like that. So it's like there's a lot of um demand for some of the associations and they just don't have the fields for them. And so that's been mentioned. I know that some people in the past have brought up um outdoor ice, uh you know, not just for hockey, but for skating in general, and I don't I mean, that hasn't come up here the night yet. So, we probably add that to the list. >> And part of that may be just fixing up what we already have um so it can be used. I think there are definitely like other things that I see in other communities. I just don't know what what our community is asking for. So, it will be really interesting to see the results. So, like some things that I think of are like if you can't put in a whole disc golf course, well, some of the neighboring, you know, schools or or whatnot are putting in like a few holes so that someone could go do disc golf around the school property um or like other smaller um amenity draws like that. So, um it just would be interesting to see what or like a you know that we talked about it last time you know mini golf or I know the loop just opened which is right you know near us too and they have 18 holes of mini golf too which I wasn't aware of but you know if it's like a hole somewhere that could be um fit in that kids and community members would go to to, you know, do a few practice putts or whatnot. So, some of those like smaller um or, you know, park features that we could fit in that that we don't have any of >> I think the uh mini golf thing is one they have at Lakeville is pretty cool. You're familiar with that? >> That's a that's a good part. Other thoughts? Jen, I'd be interested in what you have seen that we amenities that we might think about adding. >> Well, I will say I am happy to hear about some of the comments that you have because these are a lot of things that I'm looking into. Um and so some of the um things that I've seen in other locations um uh that have been really good um the porn in place that you've talked about those are um different things and I have a pretty big background in working with people with disabilities and so inclusive play is a part of um something I take into consideration for all of that. Um and so some of those elements are things that I look into. Um I think with the amenities that we have here in Victoria, we do have a lot, but I think um there the idea of um one of our guiding principles being um you know being a unique Victoria um some of them are very similar um in some of our neighborhoods. And so, um, one thing that I've seen being, um, successful in other communities is having more like, um, regional park or like park draws or, um, thematic parks where, you know, each one has like a different purpose. Um, so we do have some like neighborhood ones, but I've, um, seen it be very successful to have, um, different themed ones throughout. And so, um, that's something that, you know, as we, um, are upgrading parks in the future and things like that that we want to consider, um, making things a little bit different so that there's a new experience. Um, because obviously you have the one that's in your neighborhood, but it's not to stop you from going to another one in another neighborhood. Um, that happens all the time because kids can get worn out from the ones in their neighborhood, so they want something new. Um, so that's something that I've seen be very successful in other communities. you've mentioned the um challenge course thing. Um there are some that have popped up in Minnesota that are very popular um and are in great condition and so um some of those have been good and they do work really well for all sorts of ages because you'll see it down to the little toddlers who are learning how to do these sports all the way up through the parents are having a blast. And so, um, for me, I look into how are these areas going to be designed so that the entire family can have fun, not just the two to four year olds or the 5-year-olds or, um, things like that. And so, um, there's a lot of things that, um, will be coming forward as we continue on that I will share with you guys. >> When do you anticipate sharing the survey results with us? >> Um, so I will not be closing the survey until um, September. I'm not exactly sure which date quite yet. Um but I wanted to give it enough time um after our final park engagement event so that um people had time to fill out that survey. Um and then I'll be taking the time to put together the results to bring back. >> And are we going to have access to the data the committee members? Okay, great. >> Okay. Other thoughts? I would just say too as we're looking at new parks, um I I know you put in the shade for the pickle ball area, but just like additional shade features at the parks, too, >> whether that be like over certain play structures or over benches on the side. Um, I just see that as becoming more and more um, desirable. >> Um, and in parks that I visit, seeing seeing those type of >> amenities. >> I was just talking to someone at the arburitum about the as the climate is warming, uh, the types of trees that are prospering in Minnesota are changing. So, we're one of the ones they like is called a Kentucky coffee tree now. I love that tree. What is it called? >> Kentucky coffee tree. >> Okay. >> Oh, really? >> Other other comments? >> You getting the information? >> Absolutely. >> Far. >> Mhm. >> Anybody else have anything else to add? >> Okay, great. Thanks for uh thanks for good discussion. Um, is there any other business? Hearing none, a motion would be in order to adjourn. >> So moved. >> Motion's been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Oppos say no. Okay. A meeting is adjourned. Thanks everyone. >> Thank you. >> Thanks Jenna. >> Thanks Jenna. >> Jenna, do you know I know you sent it out. Can you remind us what like roughly might be next meeting?