Good evening everyone. This is the August 17th 2026 Park and Recreation Committee monthly meeting. Um for those that might be watching at home, let's quickly go around and introduce ourselves starting with Owen. >> Rebecca's >> Jay Zeeman, Lake Fiber >> Chris Casey >> Adam Duer >> Larry Schuls >> Amanda Cahill >> Mary Larson >> Tammy Leonetti >> Uh communication specialist Paige Waylon >> And assistant city manager Alyssa Nelson staff liaison. >> [clears throat] >> Okay, thanks everyone. First item on the agenda is the open forum and I don't see anybody in the audience, so we'll move right along to the agenda. The first item of business on that is to adopt the final agenda. Uh that was sent out to you. Does anybody want to make a motion to accept that? >> I move to accept the agenda for tonight's meeting. >> Okay, motion's been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second. Any discussion? All in favor of said motion signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Those opposed? Motion carried. Uh first item on the agenda is uh to approve the July 20th, 2026 uh meeting minutes as submitted. Did everybody have a chance to review those? And if so, a motion would be in order to accept those. >> Motion to accept the meeting's minutes. >> Okay, motion's been made to approve the July minutes. Is there a second to that motion? >> I'll second. >> Okay, motion's been made and seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of approving the July 20, 2026 minutes as they were sent to you, signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. Opposed? Motion carried. Uh next item and the main item for this evening is a discussion uh regarding the uh Brookmore Park survey results. And this evening we have Paige Wayland with us, and Paige has been working. She was Recall she was at one of our earlier meetings talking about this, and uh we'll turn it over to you, Paige, and you can walk us through. >> Great, thanks, Chair. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, committee members. It's good to be back. We've got some fun stuff to walk through tonight. Um We'll have a great discussion at the end, as well. So, just as a review, we had two surveys open um from May 1st to July 30th. Um we also had our Brookmore Park community engagement event on June 16th. So, thank you to all of you who came out of that event and engaged with the community and chatted about the future of what this park looks like. The next two slides you might find familiar. You have seen both of these next two slides when I was previously here at your meeting. Um just want to do a recap. So, again, the site of this future Brook- Brookmore Park, um it is the former Kerber Kerber family farm for the Brookmore development here. It's 80 single-family homes. Um the park here is a 3-acre site, but with that wetland there, only 2.72 acres here is develop- developable. And then again here, too, we just want to remember the neighborhood park versus a community park. And with this site in mind, it's going to be definitely more of that neighborhood park, so thinking about that when we're looking at amenities. Um thinking about our intended users and whether it's the Brookmore neighborhood, who else is over there? You have plenty of other not plenty of other, but you have many other parks over in that area. Savannah Valley neighborhood has a park. You have the Holy Family community area that has the community gardens and the tennis courts, Battle Creek Park. There's other amenities in the area that we also want to consider. So, why we asked and why we did community engagement, um so we want to understand the community's vision for Brookmore Park. So, what are nearby residents in the broader community um wanting to see in the future of this park. How do residents of Victoria currently use our park system? Um what do people value in a neighborhood park? Also, by doing community engagement, it builds transparency and trust. Uh doing this as well, it also helps prioritize amenities within the budget. And then also, it just aligns with our city engagement goals. So, how did we do this? So, we had our Brookmore neighborhood survey, and this was the one that was sent out via letter and postcard to those um houses in the Brookmore neighborhood and surrounding um houses. And then we also had a broad uh survey that went out to the community. So, we posted this on social media, the city website, um email and newsletter, yard signs. And we also had this survey um public at our community engagement events. So, at the Brookmore Park community engagement event on June 16th, where we had over 80 attendees. Um we talked about it at Evening on the Lake, which was a concert by the lake evening, as well as a classic car night, which drives a lot of community members down. And we also talked about it at Truck Rodeo. So, who we heard from. So, you can look at the statistics here um from those surveys that came through. So, both these surveys definitely captured input from highly engaged park users. So, 94% of neighborhood respondents and 98% of the community respondents had visited a Victoria park in the past 2 years. So, these survey results reflect feedback from people with first-hand experience using Victoria's existing park system. And we had 75 respondents from the in-person pop-up event. So, that jar activity that we did, we had 75 respondents in that. All right. So, we're going to start looking at the amenities. We have a top five here that we gathered from these survey results. A lot of these as well, we saw from the in-person engagement and feedback that we heard. So, we have playground and play features, shaded areas, multi-use sport court, seating areas, and open green space. Approximately eight in 10 respondents selected playground or play features. So, what this suggests is a strong demand for children's recreation, interest in imaginative imaginative and flexible play. A significant component significant play component should be considered in future concepts, and the park should serve multiple ages and stages of childhood is what we saw through this. So, respondents we know that respondents consistently identified the same core elements for Brookmore Park throughout the two different surveys here. Another key theme that we saw was that comfort matters, too. Um people want a space for parents and caregivers. They want a space to gather and socialize, to relax, to watch children play, and just to spend more time at the park. So, these results here suggest that residents value comfort in a place to gather more than just the activities here alone. So, our takeaway on this one is that the park experience matters just as much as individual amenities. Um the residents value than the activities alone. Want to talk about some of the other amenities that we found through this feedback. Uh there is an interest across a wide range of amenities, but one of the strongest consensus consensus centered on play, shade, seating, sports and recreation, and open space. I also do want to mention that a one of the themes we saw here in the survey across both was a splash pad or a water feature. Um but I also want to bring up to that that would be big driver. So, something like that is where we continue to educate of that would be a community park amenity. Um But, we don't want to not mention that that's a key theme that we did see through this for other amenities. So, where [snorts] do the findings differ? Um in the Brookmore neighborhood survey, we did see a lot of people mention we want it to stay quiet. We don't want it to be super noisy. They don't want the big community to come. Traffic was a huge concern. We also heard at the pop-up in-person event that a lot of people are concerned about pedestrian safety coming over from the main part of the neighborhood crossing over Coachella Lane to where the park is. So, that's something to take into consideration as well. We also had a lot of input and insight on leaving the park or keeping the natural character of the park and what does that look like and not touching too much is one that we also heard at the pop-up event. Um and then people love that it's super close to their homes. Through the larger community survey, we heard some broader input. And we heard a splash pad, a large playground, destination quality amenities, those expanded recreation options, which is more of a community park, which makes sense when we're at such a large community. They're thinking, "But what else is missing? You know, what does our park system not currently have that could be added?" So, still really good insight, too. So, kind of finishing up here, key findings and what we heard was that play is the strongest priority here. Residents want play and to serve more ages. People want something unique. Open space and natural amenities still matter, and accessibility matters as well. We also heard that. So, we're going to open it up to discussion here. One of the things that I would love to chat more about, too, is in addition to the survey, what did the committee learn from the engagement event? Um what elements here feel essential? What trade-offs should be considered? What additional information is needed? Um what should staff explore in future park concepts? And how can Brookmere Park provide distinctive recreation opportunities while remaining compatible with the surrounding neighborhood? So, I will open it back up to you all. >> [clears throat] >> Okay. Thanks, Paige. Questions? Comments? >> I guess I have one one question [clears throat] before we dig into the discussion around like development and like the um [snorts] amenity options. I I saw a note, I believe, in the attachment that the development of the park is not currently funded. And so, we would be presenting options then, like amenities, right? And then presenting to city council, and this would become part of the CIP process. So, how does that how does that work? And how should we think about it when we're creating a hierarchy of top five? Does it need to to expanded upon based upon that uh based upon the uncertainty of funding. >> Chair, committee members, it's a valuable question to note as part of this presentation. Um one thing to consider is yes, this park is currently not funded. It's not earmarked in the city council's capital improvements plan, CIP is what we call that. We go out and look at a 5-year review that's approved by council as part of their budget process. As part of this discussion, we're hoping to glean from the committee what amenities might be selected for this site to help earmark um what that funding may look like um and when on that timeline does that does this park get funded? So, just know that as part of this, we are looking to receive some ideas about amenities to help eventually do some budget estimating for our future uh CIP conversation upcoming um this fall. >> Thank you. >> Mhm. >> Comments, questions? Paige, can you pop back to the uh percentage slide, please? There's two of them. The first one was the top five and then the other um >> There was a couple here, so I'll scroll through. You tell me when to stop. >> Um the first one Yeah, okay, here. >> This absolutely aligns with anecdotally everything that folks that I've been chatting with, so that makes total sense. Um and then could you hit the other one, too, that starts with trails? Please. I was a little surprised to see trails down. Uh it's essentially ranked sixth, right? Almost everybody was talking about, "Oh, yeah, the connection that is already mowed through, right?" And we can talk about that, and it seems relatively low cost. Um Folks had also chatted with me about, which I thought was an excellent idea, doing like a lap track of trails cuz it's a you know, basically a square with some uh oblong angles or whatever. And just doing if we were to do a trail, do a trail like around the perimeter kids to do their little races on the bikes or whatever else or, you know, walk a dog or just go for a walk, which I feel like is probably reasonable, too. But yeah, this totally aligns with what I've heard from from folks, I think. >> I have a question about this slide. >> Mhm. >> Were all these other amenities listed as an option to check? Were there other amenities like written in? >> Yes, so if you'd remember in the the previous meeting that I was here, this specific survey question, it listed out a wide range of amenities that we would see in a park. Um some we do have in our park system, some we don't have. These were the top ones that were selected. >> And like as a listed item? >> Yes. Yes. >> Yep. And then if you could see in the addition uh note here, it says in a follow-up question, we did ask individuals what else? What else would make this park feel unique? What else would make a park stand out? And this is then where we also saw that splash pad or accessibility um kind of those highlights there. >> You You mentioned Paige in your presentation that the park uh has a a significant portion of it that's Is it wetlands or natural area or whatever? Um is there I mean, does it need to remain that way or is it potential to put backfill in or what are our options there? >> I'm going to throw this back to Assistant City Manager Alyssa Nelson. >> Absolutely. Great Another great question. Don't mind my phone. Um Um, that is not a designated wetland. So, in theory, um um, we have every opportunity to do whatever we would like with that entire space within the park. You we could, um, turn it into some sort of amenity within the park, or you could turn it into an actual wetland if that is the the choice that we ultimate go down ultimately go down. >> Okay, thank you. >> You have to pick a better picture of it. When I was when we were there, I didn't see it that well. >> So, if you look in this image here, um, going back to, uh, committee member Farber here, that talking about the trail, you can see that here through the middle. >> Right. >> And then, um, you also that brown spot there, that is that wetland area. >> That's what that we were Oh. >> Mhm. >> Oh. >> It's not swampy cattails. The soil here is Yeah, the soil's relatively dry. Right below the fourth hole in Brookmore, >> it. >> you can see that there is a drain there, a storm drain there, and that had been installed not too long ago. I mean, like a few years ago, but like it used to be more of what you would think of as a typical wetland. I don't know about cattails, but wet soil that you can't really walk through. It is now Now that that storm drain is there, uh, that soil's relatively dry, and I would assume that's why we could choose to turn it into a legit wetland again, or, um, you know, develop a traditional park with grass right over it, would be my guess. >> Alyssa. >> Uh, chair, committee members, two points that I want to note here. The first for his some historic background, um, in looking at historic GIS imagery, this entire plot was farm field, so there was no official wetland in this area even before the development came through. Um, and then my second point that I want to note is that typically we still need to do some storm water management when we do park development as well. So, once we go through the actual design process, whenever that might happen, um, the design team, whoever that might be, um, may opt to utilize that specifically because there's a drainage there as the storm water collection area. >> So, what I'm what I'm hearing is that uh, we shouldn't limit our thought as to what should go in the park because of Excuse me, limited space. That we have options. Excuse me. Comments? Other comments, questions? >> I thought it was interesting the survey results were similar to the other ones on having playgrounds for multi-ages. So, I think that was really consistent whatever we put here. Looking at the demographics, too, it's split young and old. So, how do you build something that serves both? The second, I know there's that kind of big tree area. Several people voiced to me that they don't want to see those trees go away, to not lose the kind of the feel of the neighborhood. So, they're interested in shade, I wonder if there's a way I know we did the sails we proposed at the Huntersbrook Park, but could we do something with the trees and use that area as part of the shade? >> Yeah, I thought that was a good idea. >> Yeah, I got the same feedback as well. The trees people would definitely like to see the trees stay. >> It's natural shade. >> Yeah. >> One of the things I heard that evening, too, and you kind of brought it out a little bit, was, um, kind of the gathering space through the neighborhood. You know, so, whether it's benches or picnic tables or something for people that to gather. Um, which I think is a good way for people to get to know each other and um, something that I think would be good for that park. >> It would definitely be utilized. >> I think another another thing too just to keep in mind um within the last year or so the city council has indicated that uh wanted to look at alternatives for different park different parks so they aren't all the same. You know, we don't just have every half a mile we have the same thing. So, I think we can have general things like playgrounds but maybe some different amenities. Some similar but maybe a couple different ones as well uh to address that. Um also with some of the other parks relatively close uh down the road it might uh allow us to do something like at Madeline Creek park uh that a new amenity if we don't put a new one in this particular park. >> I mean to your point about new amenities and serving a wide range of ages um one kind of recreation um thing that's becoming popular with like like maybe upper elementary, middle school would be nine square. Have you guys seen this or heard of this? It's It's It's not very complex or it doesn't seem like it would be like a really expensive um add but it's like picture um like four square but it's like raised in the air and there's so there's nine squares just like kind of on posts in the air and then kids play with a ball in that space. Um and it's It's at summer camps. >> Mhm. You know, it's at away camps, it's at day camps, and all that sort of um you know, recreation spaces. And we don't have one yet um here. Um so, I just want to mention that one cuz I was thinking on these um questions. >> Yeah, that's that's an age group that we're really lacking amenities across the city is that kind of upper elementary, middle school. There's just not really a lot for them. So, anytime we can find something, maybe it's not here but in another park, um I'd love that idea. >> Okay, back to some of the discussion questions. We've kind of covered one. Uh what elements we feel essential? We've had some discussion there, but maybe let's just uh run through that, see if we have a consensus on what we'd like to see in that park. >> I would consider each of the top five on whatever slide that was essential at a minimum and probably trails, too. And they seem relatively low cost. I don't know if we should even consider that yet, but the playground, of course, won't be, but that's at the tip top of the list. >> I love the [clears throat] idea of the what you described as the track. I feel like >> The lap track? >> lap track because that is really an interesting concept because a lot of the parks, you can't access the whole park. You get into the front part and then it stops. You've got all this green space. But I I mean, that to me feels like a low cost way of making it more accessible, which was something we heard. And by accessible, I'm thinking not just for all types of people and their abilities, but also just the whole park cuz there's so much >> Yeah, and it's on a It's an interesting location, too, cuz it's on the corner of Kerber and Cochiti, right? And then there's that other neighboring neighborhood that had been there for a while and with a track like that, then you you already you have access for the whole thing. You know, it's not just on a side street tucked in next to a forest. >> Yeah. >> And that was something I also heard from a resident there is that it would be a place for the kids to go and play and then the parents could walk and still keep an eye on >> Yeah. >> Yeah, the kids. So, if you did a loop kind of thing, you have that ability. >> Okay. I guess I would concur with uh your thoughts. Other >> Yeah, if they fit in the budget, yeah. >> I I think, you know, we I think we should do what we think we we should recommend what we think should go in the park and then it's up to the council to figure out how to fund it. Uh I don't think we should limit what we think should [clears throat] go in the park. I think we should say what >> Yeah. >> you know. And I guess if the council wanted us to do it the other way, they would we would have a number, but uh this way uh let's do what uh what we think the community wants. That's what we've been asked to do. >> Yeah. >> So, what I'm hearing is that the essential elements are pretty much what Paige had listed in her slides plus the trail. I think that I said a really good point about uh people walking around while their kids play. I I think that's uh I can see people wanting to do that. >> Mhm. >> That might also help with some of the traffic issue cuz we all noticed it when we were there, too. I was a little surprised, actually. Um but that might help keep people that are at the park in the park and not close to the road. >> Mhm. Okay. So, anybody have anything else to add to that one? Trade-offs? [snorts] Yes. I don't hear anybody wanting to drop anything here. >> No, I I guess it's not really a trade-off, but you know, we there is some chatter about both at the community event night and just anecdotally, you know, whether there ends up being a soccer field or ball field that would be, you know, programmable, which would drastically increase traffic, which would maybe necessitate a parking lot. I don't think worth Sounds like that's probably not in scope, but I feel obligated to at least say it out loud to see if anyone has thoughts on it or if had had conversations that night with anyone or if there were survey other survey results that in the comments fields if anyone mentioning that by any means. >> I I heard somebody say that. I I think the one thing we we need to remember, I certainly understand people who live in neighborhoods, you know, don't [snorts] want to influx of people around, but it is a city park and then it's so you can't stop people from using our parks and we >> [clears throat] >> want to encourage people to use our parks, so I I I don't think it's big enough that you're going to have, you know, big fields or anything on there, but I guess you can't guarantee that long-term. Can't say what's going to happen 10 years from now, but >> But But I mean, I think that is an important distinction to to call out and I believe it was called out by Paige in the introduction, right? This is a neighborhood park, not a community park, and we bifurcated what um amenities would be at a community park when you know, specifically called out the water feature and things like that, so >> Mhm. >> um especially in light of kind of the the commentary that was provided in the deck here tonight. >> Yeah. >> um from the event around noise, traffic, I mean, the those big attention-drawing amenities are are just going to drop up drive towards the the number one concerns of the community members. >> You know, uh yeah, that's an excellent point. You know, one of the one of the things too, we talk about community parks and, you know, basically we have two of them now, right? Uh Deaton and Lions. And in somewhat limited space. I I mean, they're they're utilized and we always shoehorn a few extra things in there. Uh but in the future as Victoria continues to grow, and I know we're talking about, you know, future growth and areas, uh might want to look at reserving some area. And we talked about, you know, lakeshore for swimming, but also maybe some parkland around that where we could have more community park things because we can't keep going keep adding these community or individual parks, neighborhood parks. We're never going to get the other amenities if we don't start addressing the growing community and the the the space that we have. And maybe maybe there is space that I'm unaware of and Lions and Deaton that could be used for other other purpose for other amenities we don't have, but >> Uh maybe a question for our our OSR page. When new developments like Brookmore, Hunters Brook, or Marsh Hollow come in, I know there's, you know, like a park dedication fee or a land land grant. Is there any consideration or is it possible, um to potentially utilize those funds for a community park, right? As we're thinking about, um opportunities and and scarce resources, like what what are the thoughts around how that's leveraged or potentially aggregated as we think about potential new development that's coming down the pipe. You know, what's >> That's a great question. >> Mhm. Yes, agreed. Great question. Committee members, um you've probably heard me talk about this before, potentially. Um that being said, park dedication dollars are restricted dollars by state statute and also by city ordinance, and they are required to be used but for new parks. So, if there is a new community park um somewhere in Victoria's growth area, they would be 100% um accessible to be for that type of a park. Um the other type of things that we've used those dollars for are new amenities within um older parks. DeTom is a great example. We utilized park dedication dollars to build pickleball courts in that space because it is a new amenity, something that is unique, something that we do not have in the community, although it is at a um park that has been within our system for a number of years. So, those are two big uses. So, um committee member, yes, absolutely, we could utilize those for for that type of park. >> Now, I guess one thing, too, is I I brought this up at the last meeting is you know, I think it's wonderful that we're asking people and we're doing a great job. Page, great survey and and well-organized event. Um it was great getting that input and this that was the third uh maybe fourth one we did, I guess, actually. Uh and we set an ex- I think we set expectations of people who live in those neighborhoods that something's going to happen and it's going to happen soon. And um I think that it's will be important for the council to consider how we fund our parks because as we saw when we were trying to come up with items for Marsh Howell and Hunters Brook um that we soon ran out of what funds were supposedly available. Now, that I was very excited to see the council use funds that were sitting in an in the account to you to uh get some of the park amenities that we want for especially out in that area which is you know farther away from the other parks in our community. Um however, going forward, I mean, what realistically are we we looking at? There's new developments coming but we're it seems like we're always chasing trying to get get the dollars or catch up or whatever. And uh so if we we have to be very careful when we ask people what they want and then if nothing happens for 5 years uh it's probably not a good reflection on us as a committee or the council um or the city for that matter. So um I guess I would personally encourage the the council when they go through their planning process to consider how we might come up with uh different funding mechanism uh or additional funding mechanism. >> So Thank you, Larry. I did um screenshot something that I saw um that another city posted out on to and I wanted to bring it up because they were celebrating um receiving a Minnesota DNR um outdoor recreation grant that cities can apply to. Um now, we did like miss their cycle um that's currently going on. Um like they were celebrating an application for fiscal year 2027 being awarded to them. But, it's was one thing that the city was celebrating having like made it their part of their strategic focus of finding dollars elsewhere to support um, their parks and recreation. And it it sounds like this funding um, for this city, you know, they have have received funds for work on trees, trails, redevelopment, and clean water. So, I just thought that was like really exciting to see. And like it seemed that like if we had a plan for Brookmore, we could possibly like apply for funds and be be like awarded um, Minnesota DNR grant. So, I wanted to bring it up just um, anyways, but then kind of segwayed into what you were talking about. So, um, like I said, I know we don't really have like a city park and rec dedicated staff member right now, but I don't know if that's something um, that like we could have our pulse on just so like a potential deadline wouldn't be missed if if things are being planned um, in the future. >> Alyssa. >> Chair, committee members, um, what a great point uh, committee member. We're always looking for other opportunities for funding to help reduce our tax levy, of course. And obviously recognizing park dedication dollars are limited. Uh, we are continuously looking at the DNR's grant proposals for that exact point. And actually, we currently have a grant with them for the Bavaria Trail project that we're actively working with. So, we continuously look for those opportunities and we'll continue to do so in the future. >> Okay, great. >> Okay. All right. So, we have uh listed a number of items that we think would be good for this park. Uh any additional items or any other comments? >> As is >> I think one thing that might be helpful for like a future meeting for like an agenda topic is if we could kind of go through like the amenities and say what would we put in the community park and then talk through more maybe how would we prioritize stuff like that. That way like when I know the community if we talked about trade-offs, they called out ice rink, kind of the normal ones we always get. Like if it's a downtown park that we're trying to do or something else, it'd be helpful just for us to have that together if that makes sense. >> Yes, Alyssa. >> Another great point. You guys are on a roll tonight. Um committee members, that is definitely something we can look at doing. It's actually part of a a future conversation we related to the comprehensive plan and that 2050 process cuz uh Brian McCann, our city planner, talked at the last meeting. Uh he might have not gotten too much detail related to this cuz a lot of it's is going to be focused on future growth areas, but also really focusing on a parks master plan, which also looks at us currently, um redevelopment of parks, although that's hard to comprehend at this point cuz we're such a growing city by 2050, we probably will be looking at redevelopment of some parks, maybe even this park that we're talking about today. Um so, yes, looking at different type of park names, not like actual names, but community park, small neighborhood park, larger neighborhood park. And what does that actually mean? Does it meet the city of Victoria's vision is absolutely a homework assignment we will be doing um in the near future. >> Great. >> I just wanted to mention one more thing about this park specific. If um people were talking about the traffic on Cochia or you guys noticed it, I wasn't able to attend the event. But at one point I also remember the committee discussing like um either a natural berm or um additional screening or something that really provides for like kind of like a protection almost for like kiddos to not be like tempted to like run across the street at a odd spot. Does that make sense? >> I think that came up when we were looking at Hunters Brook, too, cuz that faces the uh >> How about 11? >> driveway >> Yeah, yeah, exactly. >> So, I know that's not on here, but I feel like maybe it would be um like a miss if we didn't say like, "Let's make sure the design has some sort of berm or screening or something." Unless that's just always a given to be part of the plan. >> That's interesting, especially during especially on that kind of intersection area, that little corner. >> Yeah, you like I'm just envisioning like a lot of people use the crosswalk right now, but if there's then a park there, I could see kiddos running across at all different um points. >> Other thoughts, ideas? >> Committee members, I will add that our community safety safety officer Rachel Dorf was at the event. She She took note of a lot of those neighbors' concerns with um the traffic and safety pedestrian walk there. So, it's something that staff is aware of, but I think it's great for future discussion of what does this park look like and how do you continue to um chat with city staff and our public safety team about development of a park and what does that traffic there on Kerber and Kochia intersection look like. >> Paige, could you go back to the slide that had the priorities or the top things that the community came up with or the neighborhood came up with? Do we want to go into or is there a need to go into any more detail? I mean, it's pretty broad, sports court, playground. Do we want to provide staff with some guidance as to a little more detail as to what we'd like to see? I mean, one of the things that was mentioned in the playground was that it would be for multiple ages. So, we have that. If there's anything specific uh we would like to have them look at, this is the time to to do that when they can go out and see what it costs. >> I feel like last time we talked a little not last time, but previously, we talked a little bit about the shaded area not necessarily being a traditional picnic table hard cover shingled roof shaded area, but more of the um What do we call them for Hunter's Brook? The The sails, yeah. The sails. And whether that's a theme that we want to, you know, start doing around Victoria. I think it's a little more cost efficient. Shaded area and seating areas might kind of be incorporated together, I guess. Um sports court specifically, I read that and kind of just think basketball court. I don't know if others have different thoughts or got different feedback. Um I know there's tennis courts and pickleball courts very close at Holy Family. Um so So I see see sports court for Brook Moore, I think basketball. If others have other thoughts. >> The one thing with >> Then I'll sorry. >> The one thing with basketball courts, too, is you can also use that area for other >> Right. >> games like you know, whatever. >> nine square. >> What you had suggested? >> Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's generally set up on uh pavement uh the nine square cuz it's like posts and uh thing in the air. But it could definitely like multi-use sports court. It's really how you line it, too. >> go. Now I can get a visual. Oh, that's cool. >> Yeah, it is pretty fun. >> seen that before. >> Yeah, so it's it's a very it's very popular and there's all sorts of >> 1,600 bucks. >> I I've I've played it before. I grew [laughter] up I and I worked at a summer camp and that was a big hit. So, those are fun. >> I don't think kids >> Does it need to Would it need to be on cement? >> No. >> No, that's what I'm saying. I think >> it would need to go on the grass. >> Yeah, it'd be better on grass, actually, if people are jumping up and down. >> are running around it, but >> Oh, right. >> Um But I mean for multi-use sports courts, I think it's just how how they're lined, too. Like would it be lined with? Yeah, four square already on there or um We looked at them in other meetings, too. Um you know, what what people are doing um or you could see it like outside Dick's Sporting Goods, I think. Like the fence can be a built-in like um soccer net almost. Like so you're not you're not putting in a soccer field, right? But like the backstop behind >> Yeah. >> the um basketball hoop is like jutted out a little bit and it's just the size of a soccer field, so a kid could go up there and just practice shooting soccer. Um that sort of thing. Um when I've looked at multi-use sports courts. >> I guess one thing to call out when you look at the survey that was that this 50% came from the multi-line sport court specifically called out parenthetically basketball, tennis, etc. So, um on that point does Madrone Park, I know that's like 0.3 mi away, that has a basketball court already? >> Does, yeah. >> Okay. Um that's helpful. Um cuz just thinking about like whether it's sports court, green space, and then like this 9 square, right? It's kind of like thinking what 9 square could go potentially in the open green space. Um you know, trails aren't here. But maybe shaded seating area gets conflated, right? Cuz presumably you want the seats by the shade. >> Right. >> And and the trail sounds like it would be a key component, right? So, if we start to think maybe a little bit more technically about it without getting in much detail, we could narrow it down to five that could then be filled with amenity. >> Yeah. And like I know gaga pit gaga ball pit was a little bit lower on the list, but probably have the space for it. And I know there's some people that would like it, but of course the survey numbers are the survey numbers as well. Was there anything um like in the comments section, any sort of trend it's I This data is awesome, but the comment section is obviously could be the wild west, right? You can get all sorts of crazy answers. Did you see any sort of trends, were people commenting the same thing, not really using the comment section that much? >> Yeah, you know, a lot of those that we saw people were throwing in those water amenities. Um you know, you get some one-offs. Um Some that you never hear that they are saying nothing. Don't do anything with it. Some were saying this should be like the biggest park you have in Victoria. Um So, we kind of pay more attention to what are those key themes. So, that those water features, you know, um I believe community member Casey mentioned this. We did see something too about ice um and having some type of skating rink there. Um you know, we saw a lot some comments too with that open green space of keep the natural amenities or have those play features that are incorporated within natural amenities. And that's another key theme too that I also heard at the pop-up engagement was people interested in those natural play amenities and what does that look like? Um it What's the difference between play features and a playground? Um and looking at that and how you can kind of have fun with that. So, a lot of people kind of touched on the unique the unique amenities that you wouldn't maybe find at a different park, but maybe still feel like a Victoria neighborhood park. >> So, staff, do you have enough information? Do you need Do we need a motion or is it just okay to Do you want a motion? >> Uh >> I'd like a motion. >> Chair, we we we do not need a motion this evening. I have taken um very very detailed notes of the discussion, which obviously you'll see in the minutes and it will be captured there. So, in theory that is your unofficial motion. However, it is always your um your choice if you would like a formal A Chair. >> I have one >> Go ahead, Luke. >> Uh up one other comment that I got from a couple people, it's unique. I'm just going to throw it out there. Um the Kerber family So, the road that this will be on is Kerber. The Kerber family farm is the land that it was on and dedicated So, >> They dedicated land. They stole the land, of course. >> Um a couple people have mentioned to me, would it be possible to name it Kerber Park rather Brookmore is just a cute name from the developer. Kerber's got a little bit of legacy in the area. And I said I'd say it out loud at the meeting, so I'm putting it on the record now. >> Uh another great point, committee members. Uh yes, we have every opportunity to rename any of our parks in our system, this one included. That's something that we also heard as staff is um what is the future of this uh park? Uh what is the future of this name of this park? Um we've been in conversations with the Kerber family as well about, you know, maybe a potential memorial or recognition to the family um that they would like to contribute to this park as part of that. So, we are engaging with them on that process. And then when it comes to the official naming, there is a policy we have set on what that actually that process is step by step, and the parks committee is one of those steps to which part of that I'm not 100% sure, but some of our more seasoned committee members can probably remember where we've brought naming items to you to to help with that conversation. >> I think I am going to call for a motion, and the reason for that is I think sometimes when we go back and review minutes, it's easier just to go back to see the formal motions instead of perusing through all the the minutes. So, if somebody wants to make a motion of what our recommendation to staff is. >> Would it Would it be helpful to do a recap of like our top five so we're aligned and do it once, maybe. >> Okay, go Can you go back to that page? >> And I would just note here um some of the notes I've been taking in addition to the top five of these amenities, but I've also heard from the committee that may or may not be worth mentioning in the motion, um but I'm just noting it anyway is a a lap track um that intruding connection to the surrounding neighborhood um through some sort of trail. Um shaded trees or retaining our current tree growth. Uh we talked about sports court, we talked about nine square, um natural burming for the park boundary. Um we also talked about um looking for unique amenities, um specifically unique to the two parks that are within vicinity of this specific park. >> Okay, so we want to try to tackle that. Do you want me to try and then you can correct me? >> I can give it a go. >> Okay. >> Uh I would motion to recommend a play feature for multiple ages different than Madeline Creek with some unique play features with that. Uh a trail with a lap track. Shaded trees that are preserved, but still have some type of shade structure. Uh not necessarily uh gazebo. Nine square or some type of unique lawn game in that sense, and then the sport court, and then if possible, putting the Kerber family name on the park. It's a long motion. >> green space. >> Open space. And the open space, preserving the open space. >> Okay. >> I gladly second that motion. >> Okay. There's a motion and a second. I will not repeat the >> No. >> That works. >> Okay. Uh any for further discussion? All those in favor of the motion signified by saying I. >> I. >> Those opposed? The motion carries. Okay. When can we when are we going to What's the timeline now? Uh When are we expecting to see this back with this was the budget or Is this something that's not going to happen for a couple years or >> Chair, um I will as soon as we do get confirmation from City Council on the CIP status, I will bring that back probably as a report or emerging issue, not necessarily an item. If we are at a point when we are at a point where we're looking at more finalized design and going through that process similar to what we just went through for Hunters Brook and Marsh Hollow, then we'll obviously bring that back as more formalized items. I'm going to say plural cuz we'll discuss it over multiple of meetings. >> Okay. All right. Moving right along. Next item is any emerging issues from committee members or reports from staff. >> I have one. I think the the striping in Hunters Brook and Marsh Hollow for parking got people excited. So I think is there an update >> on where we're at with the Hunters Brook Marsh Hollow parks? >> Uh great question. I don't have any formal updates. We're still working through design. We're actually at 75% construction design at this point. So hopefully we will be able to do bidding relatively soon. Just looking at timeline, we're hoping to get at least start shovels in the ground this fall with more formal park completion in the summer 2027. >> Okay. >> Exciting. >> Anybody else have emerging issues or staff have reports? Alyssa? >> Uh one update is we will not have our next September meeting. Um instead, we invite you all to uh participate and come to our Park After Dark event, which is September 17th. I will share additional information with you all as part of that, and feel free to wear your t-shirts. >> Awesome. >> I >> One [clears throat] I >> Oh. >> We might say the same thing cuz this was an issue last year, but the October meeting that follows that, and since we'll be off in September, I know MEA um for the Eastern Carver County takes up Monday. So, there might be people booked out with travel plans or have child care items to juggle, so I'm not sure if we have the ability to toggle that meeting or not. >> Yeah, how about in that same email about September, I'll throw out some alternative dates for us to consider. I know we've looked at the Wednesday after, and we've done that a few times. So, I'll look historically what we've done and throw some dates. >> Mine was different. I was just going to mention um one thing too that I saw out in our um neighboring communities, and um it I just always like to bring things that are new and unique. Um uh near the Chaska High School um stadium, um which is also a very heavily utilized soccer fields and lacrosse fields and softball and baseball, all that. Um they had a an AED, a public um AED stand, and it was I took a picture of it. It was like sponsored through um in this case, I think uh CCFA, which is Chaska Chan Football Association, but um I just I it I just really like that idea cuz I know well the just really like that idea cuz I know well the schools have all have them. You know, not everything is taking place in parks or like at a building when it's open. And I know some other neighboring communities have installed similar things in in their most utilized parks. So I just didn't know if that was something that we are aware of or looking into or with our you know, with all the work the Lions do at Lions Park if it could be a partnership there to just wanted to mention it cuz I I was really like blown away that it was you know, like a station for anyone's use if there were to be an emergency in that space. >> I would follow on with that. Do we know where they are in the community right now in the AED? Do we have a little map for it? >> a map for it. Our fire inspector Zach Peglow does routine checks and he goes around and make sure they're all not expired and whatnot. One fun thing that he did work with our communications and public engagement team on is that we do have a portable now one for our mobile city hall. So when we're out at community engagement events if we're down Bayfront Park or at different park we have that ability to bring that out with us. But that's a great thing to bring up too is working with our community partners as there is a cost. >> Yeah. >> A significant cost with those and we've looked into grant funding for additional ones. But yes, that's something we're always seeking and aware of too. But I think that's a great idea to have those >> Is there one at the park? Is there one at the rec center? >> Yep, and one at Lions Pavilion as well. >> Okay, what would someone need to get in to the Pavilion? >> It's a great question committee member. I was thinking that when you were speaking on I know we have one at the Lions Pavilion. I believe it's in the locked area of the Pavilion, but I would have to confirm that the rec center we have two of them which is open during typical park hours. >> Okay, yeah cuz this one was I mean it looked like it was costly cuz it's like smile you're on camera because it's like just like out on this post but for an emergency situation could be accessed you know. >> Okay, good point. Anything else we need to go over the cause? If not a motion would be in order to adjourn. >> Motion to adjourn. >> Motion's been made is there a second? >> Second. >> Second, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> Meeting's adjourned. Thanks everyone.