Good evening everyone. Uh this is the May 19th uh 2025 meeting of the park and recck committee of the city of Victoria. As we usually do, we'll call the meeting to order and we'll do a roll call and just say your name and we'll go around the tables during a few hours. Alex Han, Terry Cop, Adam Der, Chris Casey, Larry Schulz, Amanda Cahill, Mary Larson, Jacob Paul, Jenna Smith. Okay, thank you and thanks everyone for being here this evening. Uh the first order of business is approving the minutes from the last regular meeting which was on April 21st of 2025. Those minutes were sent to you in the packet. Um if there are no additions or corrections, motion would be in order to accept those minutes. So moved. Motion's been made. Is there a second? Seconded. Okay. Motion's been made and second it to approve the minutes from the April 21st, 2025 meeting. Uh any further discussion? If not, all in favor signify by saying I I oppose say no. Nay. Okay. Uh the minutes are approved. Thank you. Um, next item that we have is petitions, proclamations, suggestions, or complaints from citizens, committee members, or staff. So, does anybody have anything in particular they'd like to bring up this evening? I've heard a lot of compliments on the signage. Okay. The signage. Good to Good to know. Yeah, I have as well. Okay. Is that completely installed now or are we still um they have a couple that they're finishing up some of the smaller parks and then they'll be doing some restoration of the ground around it but a lot of them are uh pretty much complete. So we'll be officially announcing the completion um by posting some stuff online but um the majority of them are done including our larger um assigns that are more community regional parks. So it's great. Okay. All right. Okay. Thanks for bringing that up. Any other comments? Victoria and Bloom. I know that was super popular with some residents that I heard. So, really good event. Good to hear. All right. And then some upcoming stuff from us. Um, potentially at a future meeting, you guys might get get the chance to meet our new parks and recreation assistant. He started today and he will be with us this summer. His name is Ben Johnson. He is a student from South Dakota State University um completing his uh degree program in recreation and sports management. So, we get to have um him with us this summer, which will be great. Um we do have the Victoria Baseball Little Leagues coming up very soon. Um they start the first week in June, and we've got um T-ball, which happens on Mondays, and Coach Pitch, which happens on Tuesdays. And then we will dig a lot more into this this evening, but we do have some summer engagement events coming up. Uh these ones are open and um the public is welcome to join us. Um, and so we've got two that are located at uh future park sites and then one is at our uh Lions Park and the Notreman Trail. So we'll get more into the actual um engagement events here in a second, but um those are coming up. So mark your calendars. Okay, thank you Jenna. Uh there is no old business for this evening and we'll move right into the new business which is uh consider recommendations for the park development survey and Jenna's going to lead us through that. All right. So, first, um, I'm going to take a step back from the park development surveys, um, and just kind of go over, um, some public engagement strategies that we had talked about, um, previously. So, um, council has approved our, uh, public, uh, our parks and recreation public engagement policy. Um and so with that policy, with major developments such as the ones that we'll be discussing this evening, um we are employing at least a minimum of three uh engagement strategies for developments like this, sometimes more. In this case, some of the ones that are being um conducted um in order to gain feedback this summer um is first this development survey that uh we will be discussing here soon as well as the pop-up engagement event. So, um, both of these locations will be discussed at all three of these as well as additional feedback just, um, for the parks and trail system in general. Um, so there's three events with that. Um, we will also be talking about this whenever we are tableabling at um, certain community events such as the Victoria Farmers Market and the truck rodeo with which both happen in July. And then obviously your feedback is one of those um, engagement opportunities that I welcome. And so today we'll be talking about the development of the survey, but then um it will also come back to this parks and recreation committee um once we get the survey results um later this fall. And so you guys will see that information again and be able to provide not only your own personal insights but um insights that you glean from the survey as well. So for the development survey um this one specifically is going to be focused um on two particular locations. the Huntersburg future park site and the Marsh Hollow Future Park site. Um both sites are have been dedicated um from new park developments and um we have uh funding that has been um acquired through park dedication fees to be allotted to fund these developments. Um so these are the two specific ones that will be this um focus for the this park public engagement this summer. However, with any type of feedback and engagement, we want to gather information from the public um that will help drive future decisions. And so, uh with the survey that um was shared with you, uh you would have seen questions specifically about those two locations. Um but then just information in general that can be applied to future developments because we do understand that feedback fatigue is a thing um with uh our public and so we want to make sure that we're utilizing their time the best way that we possibly can and so with surveys like this we want to keep it short and sweet but also get the most bang for our buck for um how much um information we can glean from it. So, with these park sites, um we do have the two locations. Both of them are a little over um 5 acres. The Huntersburg Park location is slightly larger. Um but there's one major distinction that I do want to um draw your attention to with that and it's with the um Marsh Hollow Park. So, if you look down here, this is the Marsh Hollow Park and then the northern one is the Hunters Brook Park location. So Marsh Hollow, if you look through that, you see this tree wooded area. This is actually um a protected wetland area. So when we communicate out to the public, that's something that we are going to want to make sure that it's very clear that this 5 acres includes a protected wetland area. Um and so this entire portion of it will remain as natural um green space and so it will be undeveloped. Um however the rest of this section um is something that we can utilize the feedback with to develop in a way that suits the community's needs. Um this park also there is a community um like HOA rec center not rec center but like what are the clubhouse? That's what those are called. Um there's a clubhouse that's located right here. So it backs up to the park. Um, and so that would be a community feature for this neighborhood, but it doesn't um it isn't necessarily a public um entity. Um, so it is operated by that HOA. So this is Marsh Hollow and then just a short.3 mile walk this direction is our Huntersburg um park location right off of um County Road 11. And so this one there is some elevation grading that would need to be taken into consideration. Um as well as over here because on the um south side of Marsh Hollow um it slopes up pretty dramatically. Um and so there is quite a hill on this side. Um but then this one does have some elevation concerns at Huntersburg as well. And so those are some things that I did want to just mention um in terms of um when we're thinking about these locations and how we're talking to the public about it. Um because those are some things obviously if we have to address major lake grading issues that does increase the cost of development and so um if we're looking for like a completely flat field um that doesn't necessarily mean it would be cheaper than a playground or you know something like that whereas potentially we could play into some of the grading options with the playground because we could play into the hill. So there is a lot of different ways that the engineers and landscape architects could work with these spaces. Um but the biggest goal is to identify what the community wants, what their needs are, and different differentiating these two parks um enough um to where we're still meeting the needs of the community, but also making sure that these locations are separate and unique um because they are one very close together and um we have gotten very clear vision from our city council that we want to be unique and we want to provide unique amenities um to our residents. So, before you go on, just a a couple comments or even a question. Um, these two parks are community parks. They're not just a neighborhood park. Correct. And the the other thing is is these parks will serve more than what we see on this screen. Oh, absolutely. There's future developments and there's already some that are off the map here that uh Right. Yeah. So, we've talked about other developments that potentially have come through. We've reviewed some sketch plots in a little bit more of that southwest area that will be coming. There is a lot of farmland that is around some of these developments. And so there's some things to consider. And so that's why with the park development survey, there's also questions that are more broader scale of like what do you want to continue to see? And we'll use the information we get from this survey as well as past surveys to continue to shape a bigger picture of what all of these parks can look like. And so that is something too that we want to consider that maybe these aren't the right spaces, but a future location could be. But the only problem with the future locations is we don't know what those are. Um, and so, uh, we want to make sure that we're doing the balancing act of addressing the needs that we have right now with future planning in mind. Do we have an approximate size of the usable acreage for the Marsh Hollow? Um, take it into It's about half of the acreage. Okay. How does parking usually look with kind of both? Is that something we have to think about? So, it depends on what amenities that we're providing. And so, if we're doing soccer fields or a splash pad or something like that, those would be things that would um have an impact on regional draw. And so, we would have to take into consideration that there would be parking in some of these. Um if it is open green space, you could potentially minimize what some of that parking looks like. So, it depends on what the amenities are um and the scope of the project. How much parking is that um Rap City park? I'm just curious. That's not a park I know very well, but I know size-wise it's about the same. They have approximately I'm literally counting parking spots in my head. I think they have about 10 parking spots. Okay. Which park was that, Mary? Rap City. Rap City. Yeah. in Rap City, if you guys are familiar with that one, it does have a ball field, a little bit of an open space, and a small playground and a shelter building, an outdoor shelter building. Okay, that's awful. But yes, that would be a comparable size park. Okay. All right. Any questions? Yeah, and it does for Rap City, it does get used for outside organization softball. Mhm. So those parking spaces for the practices are utilized. Yes. Fully in the street. Yeah. Yeah. So um when when it comes to things like this too, um street parking is part of the parking that's taken into consideration. And so sometimes it might not be we need to take over a whole parking lot to accommodate for those spaces. Um but there would need to be access to parking on some of these. And I will say again, another consideration with this marsh hollow is um this section of Creek Side Lane is steep. It's it's pretty steep. So um doing some parallel parking on that would be kind of [Laughter] fun. All right, so moving on. Um so when um I'm going to open up this actual survey and before I do, I'm going to give you um a little bit of insight to some of the things that I did after sending it to you. So depending upon when you looked at the survey, I might have added some things. Um, but things to keep in mind is what's working in the survey, what do we need to improve, and what's missing. So if there's glaring questions that it's like, why didn't you ask this? Please bring that up. Um, if there's some questions that maybe we need a little bit more insight in terms of like, how do we ask this? How is it being received from the public? Obviously, I have been in the trenches with this, so it makes sense to me, but that doesn't mean it's going to make sense to the public. So, please feel free um to share which um if there's any that aren't very clear. Um and then we'll talk about what's working to make sure that those things stay consistent as we continue on. Jenna, can I just clarify that the audience for the survey is it the entire community? It is the entire community. Okay. So, there will be some targeted um notifications to the neighborhood. So, we will send physical mailers to um the neighborhoods that are in the direct radius of this. However, um the public um is going to be able to be uh taking the survey. Uh anyone is welcome to the public engagement events. We are going to be talking to um our associations if they're looking for field space. Field space is at a premium. We're pretty much everybody says we're constantly short. So, we'll be talking to associations for what kind of field space or ball field, soccer field, anything like that that they're looking for to see um what that kind of need is looking like. Um as well as just general users to the area. So, they might be neighborhood parks, but um they might be serving a larger audience. Okay. Um, so before I open up the survey, some things that I did include is like I did change some of the introductions um to the sections just to provide a little bit more context as well as including the acreage for those. Something that isn't in there right now, but will be coming is we are going to put together um a prettier map than the one that I just showed you um to help identify um the the shape of the parks and kind of indicate what some of that gradient is to try to help the public get a little bit of that. So, that visual is coming and is not included in what I'm going to show you now. Um but unless I hear a glaring no, that's not useful, then we will work to include that in. I think it's very helpful. Um I think a lot of people don't even know where Huntersburg and March Harbor. Yes. Unless you live in that area. And the budgets we don't know for those that get set at a later time or is that something that's um So the budgets we do have a park um development thing, but um that is not something that we're going to ask the public for feedback on um because that's something that staff and city council will work on. Okay. All right. I did like I did see your including of the acreage there. All right. So, you caught some of my edits. I think that was helpful. I think maybe too because we've all kind of referenced it for like getting an idea of the space is maybe you could even say this is similar. Think of this as a similar community park to Rap City. So that when people are are thinking of it, they have kind of a a template, if you will, in mind and know that it's not like as big as Lions or um Dime. Awesome. All right. So very generic. Also, it took me like over 20 minutes for completion of the survey. It says seven there. So, it the so that number is not identified by me. It's based on the average person taking it. It was really hard to the more up and down changing the more that people are taking and actually doing it, that number will change. So, that number is indicated by the software. Okay. So, but that's good to know. I know. I was like, "Okay." I mean, I mean, I was obviously reviewing the questions in great detail to see, but like it was like I was doing it on my phone and to like scroll up like, "Oh, item number 27. I actually want it 15 um did take some time." All right. So, as we go through this um I'm going to kind of just click through. If there's something that I need to explain, I will explain, but feel free. this is the time for you guys to share your feedback. And so, um, when it comes to the slides, I don't think you need me to read them to you, but I will stop and I will pause. And so, this one is just a simple intro to the section and then we move into our first question. So, this first section is um the purpose of the section is mainly just to gather are you currently utilizing our spaces and if so, who in your household is doing it? Um because that will also kind of gauge like are people actively engaged? Like are these people that are regularly utilizing our parks? Things like that. This question specifically also helps identified um like a theme for the park. If somebody checks other, is there a place where I'm going to make a comment? You type it in. If you click it, if you click on it, you can type in your answer. Yeah. But okay. Yeah. Right here. Like it literally. And then for this one, um there was a question that I had. I had no idea how to um split it out, but so I have it broken up into this. The only one that I had a question on that I would like your feedback on is this one. Should I break it out into a different chunk? And if so, what chunk of ages? Question. If you broke it out, I'd say 18 to 40 and 41 to 64. I don't know if it makes that much difference. And is there a lot of I mean, it's basically young adults and I don't want to say middle age because I'm middle. One of one of the technical terms that I've heard before is the U40. So the under 40 and then the O40, so the over 40. So that's like a classification that I've seen. If you guys don't think it's beneficial and it doesn't it won't impact the feedback much, that was just a question that I had on here. It might be I I don't think it hurts. I think it might might differentiate, you know, if we get stuck on some of the results and it's leaning I mean it's and I'll split up and we can divide it further then you know if we're meeting the needs of those under 40 and those over I do think there there's some differences. I think the under 40 is probably a little more active and generally or would maybe enjoy some more active type activities than people that were over. I just like that the activities are different. I think 50-year-old you're going to be doing different things actively than you are when you're 25. Sure. So, I just think there that's a big big range. Uh in marketing they break it out like 18 to 34 35 to 54 55 plus usually that's kind of a standard demographic breakout but Larry's works too. There could be a little confusion with this cuz maybe parents are bringing their kids to you can check multiple things. You can check multiple. Oh check all that apply. Okay. Yep. All right. Right. So maybe break out the adults just to get a extra data point. Yeah. Okay. All right. I will add that to my feedback. Thank you. Um this one is also it lit it literally lists out every single park that we have here. Um and kind of an intention for this one is to some of these parks are already very much themed. And so if the park that they visit the most is Kirk Lockan, then maybe I know that this person is um emphasizing those natural greenscapes versus somebody who is picking a park that's heavily ball fields or something like that. This one was hard for me to choose from immensely. I wish it was like you can select three because see if I can make that work. I'm not sure if I can, but maybe optionality. This one felt maybe like a top three. Yeah, because I I was like, uh, well, just one like is it is it for my recreation with my kids, you know, for fun or is it because I have to visit it every Monday, Wednesday for softball, you know, like I and I love that practice is in our community, right? But it's a really different use. I kind of like the forcing people to pick one, but okay. I guess it comes down to to me. I mean, I think it's a really good point and it was tough to answer, but I think you know what what are we what are we trying to get here? And if we're trying to get that people primarily use the parks for like Jenna said, you know, if they pick the one that's they pick uh Wasserman, that's that's telling us they like the nature stuff. Um so it kind of and if we have them do more than one and they pick Wasserman and Lions, that doesn't tell us anything other than they like those two parks, you know. it. So I guess maybe from the what what data do we want to see at the end? But I agree it was hard to pick. Yeah. I mean I think frequency to I think to to Amanda's point is sometimes it's dictated by necessity as opposed to like true use and enjoyment, right? So it if you're answering this for how you know use of enjoyment versus frequently you might get uh different answer. Yeah. A data set that's just a little and I'm curious. I know like Lakeside and Lake Town like they're both really close to these two developments, but I have a feeling most don't even know those are parks there. So I'm curious if they even know the ones near them already. This is also a great question to ask them if they know their parks. Yeah, because there's already really good amenities over there that you probably don't want to repeat. So there I think you know a good point's been raised here by um you know a couple members here you know Adam and Amanda here. Um so maybe it's a question which city v which city of Victoria Park do you most frequently visit for an recreation or enjoyment? I mean, because you're right, if your kids's playing softball and you go twice a week to whatever park it is, that may not be the park you'd go to otherwise. Or I don't know, what are we trying to or or is that good information to have because that park's being utilized the ball field. Yeah. Even though it might not be my favorite thing to do, but Yeah. Could we just do two? one one for leisure and one for um events or something along those lines. Might be easier than putting a why question. Events. What's that? Yeah, I think that might be easier than like asking for a reason. Yeah. Right. Like the the data would be easier to aggregate probably. True. It's a true question because we could use the data for if you're if there's a lot of people going to one specific spot for necessityvent or whatever it may be. We'd be able to use that information to say all right well maybe we should take a look and make sure that that's being kept up as often as it should and because it's getting ton more use than we even expected that it was getting. Give us good data there. Then leisure. We could probably make judgments on the style of park that people enjoy. Okay. Yeah. So, anything that's like scheduled or programmed or an event is different than like going to the playground for fun. Okay. So, how about I word it to asking which city Victoria park do you most frequently visit for leisure activities? And then a second one asking the same question except for um most frequently visited for scheduled events or programs. Does that work? that maybe put practices too just so people events program you know because I I don't really consider um practice like an event but that's good to know though too as others stated that no if people are largely using it for practices you know that's saying sports sporting sporting sporting event or yes sporting practice sports practice sports practice practice their games. I mean, yeah. I mean, I feel like a lot of users would have different, you know, data. Absolutely. This is great. All right. Next question. All right. So, this brings us into our next section. And so, this is the section where we're actually specifically talking about Huntersbrook and Marsh Hollow. So, this is the one that if you caught it, if you went through it before I edited this because I did this today. So, if you read it beforehand, you want to see it. So, I'm going to give you a second to read through it. I did try to include some information, but please um share what you think um in regards to introducing this section. And is this where the image will be? It won't be on this slide. It'll be on the specific pages for um Marshall and for Huntersburg. A question because these will be community parks. It sounds like parking will be included at both locations. If there's a selected feature at each park or at one of the parks, say like a tennis courts or a softball field, does that dictate more parking? The different amenities do dictate that. So, it would be kind of hard for me to say how much parking would need to be taken into consideration. Okay. I mean, I can reference parking. I I think it would be an interesting reference point when people are making deci. I think it would be a something people would be concerned about specifically after the fact if they didn't know that the decision they were making had other implications. It would shrink the land potentially. Yeah, sure. I can do that. Would you think that a good place would be to keep it in this in this kind of what triggered section? Okay. All right. Any other feedback from this page? All right. Pretty straightforward question. And if they don't know it, they can look it up. This will force them to look it up because I will say just in case, I don't know if you guys did this, but it is Googleable. You can search it in Google and it does pop up the locations. It says it's temporary closed on Google because it's not a devel developed site, but you can Google them. I do have a question on this one because they're so close together. Does this because I I when it comes to giving out surveys, I have to do it at work all the time. You want to get it rid as many questions as possible and I don't know how much value this will add because of how close they are to each other. I mean.3 miles might impact for future developments because um you weren't here when we did the sketch plat reviews for other ones but there is some potential growth the other direction. And so if those people are heavily saying that they want a specific thing at this park and then those people are also saying it there then it might be something that maybe we flip-flop put one here and there. See? Okay. because so this question is a little bit more helpful for city staff um in the the grand scheme of the planning um and I guess the only thing with this one is that it's probably the quickest question that we have if they know where the parks are. Yep. Fair enough. If they know where they are is it valuable or not valuable to know how far somebody is from the park? I mean within they're within what our standard what's our standard half mile. Oh, yes. We had something before that we want to have a park within. Yeah. Um, is that still a thing or It is still a thing, but I'm not sure how it would apply to this question. Okay. I'm I guess what I'm maybe not specific. The the only thing is is that if somebody lives if I I live a long ways from this. So what I have to say about it might be different than somebody that lives within a quarter mile of it. And can you if we know what those are, you know, so so people like myself that are filling us out and saying it would be important for us to say some of the things we want, but it might be nice to know what people that live closer to want. I mean, is there is there a difference? What if I restructured this? Instead of it being like a drop down, I do a like a multiple, not you can't check multiple, but like a multiple choice option where you check one option and one of the other options can be other and we can say like specifically on that one like describe or name the park that you live closest to or something. That would be good. That was my thing. I like I live in Huntersbrook. I didn't know there was a lacrosse field half a mile away. like it would for me I probably wouldn't check lacrosse field if I knew it was so close. Can you collect addresses or are you not allowed to ask for that? Um they're anonymous surveys. Okay. I don't know if we can make it so like I live close to Marshall or I live close to Hunter's book or neither like true cuz I would say cuz it's I think we want to know if the person answering is close to one of them but or if they're not close to either of them you know you live within a mile or so. Yeah, fine. Close because I'm closure. Yeah. Do you live within a certain distance? Mhm. Maybe just use our standard, you know, half mile or even expand it to a little bit more because that I think there I think it to me and maybe, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like it would be valuable to know uh for as we, you know, put this whole thing together that I think we're going to be able to say, okay, people that answered they live within a half mile this park. These are the things that they'd like. And those that live in the greater community, including those that live in a park or within that distance, have something else. So, um, that might be helpful information to know. Cross referencing was the word I was trying to come up with. Aulation, there is a noise consideration, too. So, if I'm in that neighborhood and this survey goes out and the city or the, you know, the response is they want something that's I'm going to throw out pickle ball just because it's loud. We wouldn't we would not put pickle ball in either one of these parks probably because it's in a in a neighborhood. The houses are pretty close. So, we wouldn't put pickle ball there, but you wouldn't want somebody lobbying for that. If they don't even live close to it, it would bother them, right? But the neighborhood should have some say in things that's going to impact the noise, the traffic, you know, that kind of thing. So, I would want the neighborhood to have a little bit more say in what goes in those parks. So, what if I did two two questions um and it was, do you live within half mile of the Marsh Hollow Park? Question one, yes or no. Um question two, do you live within half mile of the Huntersburg Park location? Yes or no? Yeah, I think that's that way. Yeah. Yeah, because there's probably a couple people who are within a half mile of both. I am. I would hit both. Yeah, you totally could. So then you're really a part of this neighborhood. They're pretty big spaces, which will be helpful to know like the broader community though, like ice arena. if you want an ice arena or like a ice rink. Not enough space for it. One of the one of the things that we've talked about in the past and I know that the council is interested in Jenna alluded to it is, you know, what park amenities do we not have? and can we use these bigger park areas to not have the same thing in each park, but to have something different where people can access it. So that's So this is more than just a neighborhood park, too. So we want to be sensitive to what they want, but it's a little bigger. Great. All right. And then so um these next uh two questions um are the exact same except one's for Marshall, one's for Huntersbrook. And again, this is intentional to try to grasp knowing that there's two. Which one do you want in those specific locations? And then so for the options that are listed here, there's quite a few options. Um and for the most part, um that they're geared towards at least if you select one of them, like that one thing might be able to fit. It doesn't mean that everything in your order might be able to fit, but the things listed on here are things that could be taken into consideration for it depending upon like obviously one might work for a sliding hill, but the other one might not. Um, so um these ones were kind of identified as to like which could potentially actually fit in the locations. Um, and then it's just a ranking system from there. Well, I would argue that would we put pickle ball courts in either one of these? I mean I mean I don't think we would I I would hope the public would would see that but um that's one of those things that we just need to ask that question. Is there a way to give a size frame of reference to these maybe to say like you could pick this and this as like a combination. Um so that's something that we're looking into doing at our public engagement events through this type of software. It's kind of hard to like like I tried to see if I could be like all right you've got this much land this will fit here. Um, but we just don't have the software to be able to design that. I would love to and in the future we might do that. Um, but for sure at our public engagement events, we are working on an interactive way to like literally pick your piece and it fits, it fits, it doesn't kind of like if you've ever done like design a bedroom, the bed can fit here and this could go here, but you know, something like that. So, we will do a an interactive one um at the public engagement events um but we couldn't quite fit it into the survey. Yeah. So, as I went through this, and I think Amanda alluded to it earlier, and I don't know if there's any way around it, probably not, but it when there's more things to rank, it's more difficult. And I might and when I looked at this and maybe I had two things I think are really important, so I'm going to rank those first and second, and the rest is just going to be either I'm going to leave it blank or I'm going to just put garbage three, four, five. Let me let me see if um because I might be able to make this more clear, but I'm pretty sure you can Oh, well, I guess it automatically It'd be nice that you could rank and then make a good chunk of them like NA or like just don't strike them out. Let me see if I can do that. I mean you the thing you eliminate there is the you know the overall ranking of what they are but the same thing it's garbage information if there's only two two things that you're interested in. So and then after I did one I actually just skipped the next one. Yeah. I was like okay I've spent a lot of time ranking this very carefully and then I was like okay these parks are right next door to each other. me. I'm not in that neighborhood. I just skipped the next one because it was like so lengthy like so. Yeah, good point. And then so yeah, I would be for having the option of not having to to move them or rank them maybe all the way like pick your top five. Rank your top five. Yeah. Or because honestly are more than five amenities gonna fit? Like if we think of Rap City, there's the Well, it's not a matter of um in what order would you fit all of them? It's if you had to pick which ones, which would you cut first kind of deal? Is there any way that we could like combine some of these because like to get away from the amount? So like could we just do playground and then instead of grills picnic areas covered and uncovered could you just do picnic? I will say grills if if I do that then I'll need a separate question for playgrounds because in designing playgrounds it is very hard to differentiate playground versus the age groups because the equipment is incredibly different. So I could do would we be able to use the playground or the information from the prior question of uh what age they come to the playground with or the parks with um and use that data to influence what type of playground. I love optionality, but having a toddler and seeing all the different types of playgrounds you can find yourself at that work or don't work or age out of or that that was one of the the best pieces of the optionality I found in the survey as a parent. Yeah, I think making it like checkboxes might be just easier to use. I mean, I I appreciate rank choice sorting from a data perspective, but as a usability thing, it's I think with this many choices, it could be difficult, overwhelming. Sure. So, the general feedback is there's too many choices to get Well, I'll refigure um how to do it so that you don't have to rank every single one. Yeah, I think I think it's fine to list the things. It's just that after you when I was going through this, there's like okay, there's two or three things that I think are real important and I mark as those were easy and then the rest to me it was just four, five, six. I mean, yeah, it provides meaningless information. Absolutely. Fair point. after a point and and then not to add additional but I did notice there wasn't basketball court which is kind of different than other sports fields or tennis court and then we also added Gaga pits to parks this last year for that 15 to 12 and 12 plus age group. So, I don't know if there's, you know, room for those. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I will add those in and I will refigure how to make that quicker. Or I I don't know if there's a way to like let people rank like categories of things. like I want to playground as number one or you know like rank the category but then show questions that ask like specific like this won't this software won't let me do it that way I could split it out and ask more questions but then it's more questions that's what I was trying to cut down on is more questions so the the goal of this is try to determine the top things that people want so when it comes to you know after the this and the engagement in the neighborhood and then when it comes back here for discussion that we would know that you know there's out of the 25 or 27 things on here that people really want five of them and we can focus on that as opposed to getting lost in the other stuff. Right. All right. And I'm assuming the same thought process for the ranking goes on this one. Yes. Some you have to Google. I know probably putting images with these is hard. Google. I can see if we can potentially create a graphic. When we talk about zip and what a zip line is, we talking about like the That's at U Meline Park. Yeah. Okay. Not like a canopy trees. Yeah. Old. That would be really really cool though. That's my grandkid's favorite thing at that park is that zip one. Oh yeah. It's usually a big draw. Yeah. I did. Again, I don't know if you want to add more, but um another popular recent playground feature is like those roller slides are back and they're kind of like built into the hills um in a lot of communities. So, I don't know if like you know the ones that pinch your finger real bad, but um but they are fun, right? like it's like wow this is this is making a comeback and um I was googling landscape structures out of Delano today to see like what are the new what are the new features and and which I will say some of these like this is to just get like a general idea of some of that um when we work with our landscape architects and these companies that do things like that they also put together proposals based on the feedback that I give them of we're looking for these kinds of slides, this kinds of inclusivity, um you know, these swings, like something like that. Then they usually will give us a a proposal and say, "This is what actually fits in the space that you're giving us. These are the types of amenities. Um that we're suggesting." And then I'll be like, "You know what? You've got three of those traditional belt swings, but we really want a friendship swing. Um can you make that work?" And they'll be like, "Yes, we can, but we have to cut cut out all the belt swings." So like you know it's something like that to where like they would help with that. And then in terms of the um slides like embedded into side of a hill that is one of the things that like a landscape architect would um help us um design based on planning. But like obviously if nobody wants a slide we wouldn't build it into the you know the the side. But um that's also something too that you know if we're looking for inclusivity, those tend to be a little bit better for inclusiveness because you can go walk them up and then bring them down and things like that. So Oh, on the SL on the hill versus having to climb a stair or ladder. Got it. Yeah. All right. Anything else from this slide? All right. Then this one's more so for me to kind of gauge and have a backstory of why I'm recommending certain materials, but these might be ones that people will have to look up, but hopefully that's a quick Google. Are is there a standard that we as a city would prefer to use? I have my own personal preferences, but the city does not have an official standard. Okay. What? The most expensive one. Um the the port in place, that one is the one that's the most accessible, easiest to maintain, doesn't get caught in people's shoes. Well, and you're seeing more and more there is options to do like a hybrid of some of these. um if we're looking for cost savings. So, if we hear from the public that we really want the port in place, but in order to get the amenities that we're looking for, we might need to compromise and have some port in place in some locations and maybe some of the mulch or wood fiber um in a different location. It could be a combination of that, but again, that's something that we would use in development wise based on what kind of funding we have, but we would gear towards like what people wanted. Like if we have a resounding sound that everybody is like, "Nope, we want the whole thing just to be mulch." Okay, mulch it is. All right. Didn't we remove the pearl from um your run? Because it's like wasn't as safe. Okay. Should we have that as an option? They are cost-effective options. So, just kind of depends. Okay. All right. Are there any courts that I'm missing from this one or fields? Courts or fields? Well, so like you want to add the gaga So, soccer, football, lacrosse can all technically be played on one field. Yeah. So, that's why there's also the multi-use sports field option. The only thing with these is like do they want them permanently striped and do we want a permanent goalpost? Do we want like those types of things? So it's like if you want a permanent football field with a goalpost that would be different than a multi-use field. So So and again with the the rank choice I can modify this to make it easier and less time consuming. Is this space big enough for a disc golf course? Uh it could have elements maybe not a professional course but it would it both of them have space for holes but it would very much depend on what other amenities were there. Well we also this I feel like I'm bringing back deer run conversation. We also talked about have like deer run at the time had put putt or a little yeah just a putting green one little putting green. So I don't know if if if that's something we want to include as an optionality or not allow people to put it under other. I mean there's another option. That's true. And I think that was unique ide because it was within the golf course. I think that made it a little more unique to that. I I can tell you in my two of my grandkids live in Lakeville and when we go there and watch them, we take them to a park and they have a mini golf course that gets big time use. It's free. Have to bring your own equipment. Yeah. But it's it's heavily used, at least when I've been there. Maybe not all the time. I can add in a mini golf course or a putting green on as an option. That's something maybe it isn't I mean there's no uh private business that's here that we'd be competing with. So, and is it I mean is it like one hole? No, it was 18 hole. Oh my god. I don't know if we would do something that big, but we could totally do something. It wasn't like wasn't like Pirates Cove or anything. It was just a I mean it was a mini golf, but it was like a mini putting green. Yeah, it was I mean they had the angles you bounce off it. No, no clown. You're not shooting in a clown's kind of like Centennial Lakes if you guys have ever been there anytime. That one's like a midi putting. Yeah, it's not there isn't that big as Centennial. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I can add that. Anything else missing from this list? What? Because what is the question? This is sports fields or courts. I mean, also botchi is kind of making a comeback at like breweries and stuff. I don't or wineries. I don't know if we're if we're looking to be unique. Yeah, absolutely. The ice rink. Is that on this one or a different one? Trying to remember. Uh, that was on a different question. But if you guys want me to add it to this one specifically, I can do that because that was listed on the like general amenities. Do you want me to put it on this one as well? I think you should. It's kind of sport themed. Otherwise, you're going to have people sure that it wasn't on. Absolutely. All right. Anything else? Okay. And then this one is um a big open arch one. This one um and I again this is a very long one, but of course you can just clicky click. This is the same question that came from the park survey that was um conducted a couple years ago. The reason it's included in here is to see if there's a change in the temperature. this particular type of question will probably be consistent in all of this as Victoria is a growing community and so I want to ensure that we're getting consistent information. So as we are continuing with the big picture of the growth of Victoria and the things that we want um I want to have some sort of a like a rubric to be able to measure has the vision changed or are we still consistent in looking for these things. So, lots of options and amenities on here, but these are the same ones that we've been asking um in the past, which I can also include some of the ones that maybe have been added in addition to um how was that question? Where did what is the language future developments? Okay, so beyond I don't know if we need you say like for parkland not yet dedicated. So, it's for future park I don't want to use the word not yet dedicated because that might like these might also be taken into consideration for parks that currently exist that we need to update re-updating. Okay. I do think since the parks like the Hunter Brook and Marshall are not yet parks, this could be a little confusing, but everything here is future. Yeah. I if if you're really thinking beyond Marshall or should I say for considered for um future citywide park developments? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Something so that you're looking beyond those two parts. I could even enter or enter start the um question with um thinking forward. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be good. Also, I mean, do you need to say that covered by Dome and Winter? Because like to me that's like very different than just having like um like there are many communities that now have baseball, softball fields, lacrosse fields in their community parks, but that that don't have a dome. Uh astroturf fields are different than those types of parks. Okay. So those are covered in the winter. You would not want to not have an astroturf uncovered. So there's different types of turfs. This one specifically is one that you would need to cover. Oh. So then is another one just like there's different fields that are listed. Is there is there one that covers just those like like general fields? Other fields that are not grass then? I don't know the right term. Multiuse turf field. Yeah. Yeah. in here somewhere. Maybe not. Nope. I can add it. Okay. Because it does allow for this spring play. Um, which is really hard. Um, sure. For multi multiple sports. Cool. And then I will capture any that we've talked about that aren't in this list as well. All right. Any other feedback for this one? Awesome. And then this one's just a programmatic one to just kind of gauge what types of programs or events that people are wanting. It's not all-encompassing and there is an option for them to type in other if there's something specific, but these are ones that have either been brought up, have been done in the past, um, have been mentioned by community members, senior advisory committee, things like that. I guess I was questioning why we were asking about programming when we were this survey was specific. It's just it adds to the length of the survey. So, um, some of this is utilization of the spaces because if we're developing the land and we want to have a youth camp there or a sports program there or um, you know, movies in the parks, events or something like that, we it would dictate what kind of spaces that we would need. Okay. Can you go up? I know I answered this, but I was just Okay. Then make a selection. Apparently, oh, let me go. Yeah, it made me choose choose one. Yeah. Yeah. I hope that wasn't a response that I just chose one. All right. And then open-ended. What other stuff do you want us to know? And then the last couple ones are just demographic ones that are asked on every survey. So, so what would be our goal for the number of surveys we'd like to get get back. [Music] As many as possible. Um so surveys are one of those things and we've talked about this before that um um percentage of population typically we look to anywhere between like you'd be surprised 10% of the population participating in the survey is actually a really large number of participation and so we would look for something like that obviously as many as possible. Um so some of the things that um we are going to be doing, we're going to be um putting QR codes to access this on um park signs. So we'll put it at the future sign so that people can see it specifically when they're driving by that hey we're se we're gathering feedback for this. We'll have it at some of our major key locations that people frequently visit like our larger community parks, the rec center, um downtown Victoria. Um, we'll also have paper copies that will be available for anyone that needs paper copies. Um, we'll be doing the mailers to let people know that this is coming as well as, you know, here's the survey and here's the events to come to. And then again, we'll be at all of these tableabling events to try to gather that stuff. And then, um, the park public engagement or the park engagement events that, um, you guys have been shared about that, um, you're invited to attend. Um those are other areas that we would be able to talk to people to not only have them come to the event but also participate in the survey. So hopefully we'll get a lot of feedback. Um people are really passionate about the parks that are in their specific neighborhood. So hopefully at minimum we would get pretty good response rate from from our new residents. But that those communities are also growing. So there's still some vacant homes in those areas. So um so yeah, so we're looking for um as many as possible, but that type of percentage is pretty typical. And I I guess, you know, it probably goes without saying that we're collecting information multiple ways. This is just one. We're getting some information. It's not set up as a scientific survey. So, it's hard to extrapolate from these survey results to the population as a whole, but it does provide some information as long as we don't use it like it's the absolute that we're using it to um kind of get to the next set of questions when we go to those community engagement events. So, yeah. So, this will this survey will be accessible throughout the entire summer and so we won't review the survey results until um this fall. Um so, at these community engagement events, this will be something that it's like we'll be encouraging people to fill out the the survey. All right. So, did you say like on yard signs too? Okay. So, like there could be one down here that we see on car show nights, right? Okay. Awesome. Yep. And those are pretty effective once we did the VRC survey. Once we stuck those out, we got a ton of people responding. Yeah. So, great. Is there any specific thing like staff other than like community interest like what it is what you all are trying to learn the most from it or like what indication within the survey would help you the most as you pull this? I think in terms of like um what amenities people are looking for um because I think it's going to be really telling if people are like we don't want a playground because that's typically what people say at parks and so that would be an opportunity for us to develop a brand new type of park location or things like that if people are wanting playgrounds um it's going to be what are those amenities though because we want to make sure that they're different um and unique to those particular areas and so I think with these um it's as much as we can get that's um going to be able to create a trajectory because obviously the things that I've talked about with in terms of like we want to play off the natural landscape. So for Marshall there will inevitably be some sort of a natural element to it because of that wetland area, but what else do we want to tie into that? And so, um, the way that people answer this and how they use the parks and how they're, um, ac accessing these spaces, um, and who's accessing the spa, the the spaces is really going to impact the direction, um, of how we do that. And there's a lot of, I mean, you know, I've got experience working with stuff like this. There's a lot of really great companies that provide really great feedback and, you know, expertise in making proposals for what those spaces look like. So, this is a tool in in kind of launching us forward and making sure that we're just gathering the right information to meet the needs of the people in that area. So, we meet with the Hunters Brook community in June, I believe, which is after our next meeting. At our June meeting, will you be helping us kind of prep for our role? So, um me prepping you guys for those engagement events um will not be during the meeting. I it will be um I will give you information via um email. So stay tuned for that. All right. Any other feedback about the survey? Wonderful. Thank you guys so much for your input. It is super helpful and I will make um the changes that we talked about and you'll see a a summary of the changes that we had finalized and agreed upon um in the meeting notes the next time. Okay. Anything else? Any other business? Okay, hearing none. Thank you, Jenna, for teeing us up for us. And it's uh a lot easier providing feedback when you got a lot of the things there and can react to it as opposed to trying to dream it up ourselves. So, thanks and thanks for the input. It was good input from everybody participated. That's great to see. Uh with that um seeing that there's no other business uh a motion be in order to adjourn. So moved. Okay. Motion's been made. Is there a second? I'll second. Okay. Go. Thanks. Thanks everyone. Thank you.