Okay. Uh, good evening everyone. Uh, welcome to the park and wreck committee meeting October 20th, 2025. Uh, we'll start our meeting with our roll call. Alex Him, Chris Casey, Larry Schulz, >> Amanda Cahill, Mary Larson, and Jenna Smith. >> Okay, great. Uh, we have several things on our agenda this evening. Uh, we'll start with the approval of the minutes from the prior regular meeting. Um, that would be the the minutes that were sent to you uh from August 18th, 2025. Somebody like to make a motion? >> Motion to approve the minutes. Motion's been made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion's been made and second it. Any discussion? >> Hearing none. All those in favor of approving the August 20 August 18th, 2025 minutes signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. Oppose say no. >> To who? >> Motion carried. There's the other member for tonight. >> That's uh you just got to love AI. >> Anyway, motion carried. Petitions, proclamations, suggestions, or complaints from citizens, committee members, or staff? Anybody have anything they'd like to bring up? Well, >> I guess I saw some on the survey, but we'll probably touch on those when we get there. >> Okay. Okay. Do you have any Okay, we have someone like to speak. If you could give us your name and address, please. >> Address. My name is Blake Farber. I live at 5080 Kerber Court. It's a new development. Um, I saw that you guys are reviewing the survey results from a couple new parks tonight. Me and all of my neighbors uh are just very excited about a new potential park that's going in near Brookmore, near Holy Family. And I'm just here to learn about the process. Not here to ruffle feathers or rock the boat, but just kind of want to learn how it goes and if my kids will still be in elementary school when the park might start getting built or um if uh you know if it might be a longer timeline as well. So just here to learn and I appreciate uh all the info that I'll get along the way. >> Okay. >> Thanks guys. >> Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for attending. Did you have anything, Jenna? >> Yes. So um we've got a couple things coming up. um for our park and rock department. So is the season for some um indoor events. We've got this coming Thursday, we've got sweater weather bingo happening at the Victoria Recreation Center. Um so um this will be Thursday, October 23rd from 1 to 3 p.m. at the Victoria Recreation Center. Uh it is $5 per person. There's games, prizes, and refreshments. And we are still taking application or not applications, um registrations um now until the day of. We um are happy to take walk-ins. So, if you know anyone who's interested in bingo and wants to come inside and hang out with us on Thursday afternoon, uh send them our way. Additionally, we also have skating spooktacular coming up on October 31st, which is Halloween, uh at the Victoria Recreation Center. Uh it will be from 11:00 a.m. until 2 p.m. uh $8 per person. The event will have skating, a costume contest, music, and treats. Um there is no school that day. So um this is a great way to um entertain the kids on Halloween. So please send them your way. Um you do need to bring your own skates. Um someday hopefully we will have uh skates uh for rent, but as of right now, bring your own skates and join us for tons of fun. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh next item on the agenda is old business review of furniture solutions for the rec center in the lower lobby. So Janna, you want to >> Awesome. All right. So um this is in response to um some of the suggestions that we had on our uh VRC survey that was conducted last year. Uh so some of the comments in that survey reflected a desire for um more of this like community um spaces, more senior lounge spaces, um activating our recreation center in a little bit more ways. And so, um, in response to that, we, um, found some solutions that will, um, improve, um, that space and provide additional amenities, um, for our members and guests. Um, so there is a new furniture layout that is going to reimagine the lower lobby common areas of the Victoria Recreation Center to activate that space. Um I will be describing that a little bit more in detail but um it meets a variety of needs that um users have indicated. Additionally, we um selected replacement furniture for the multi-purpose room that includes like sleek black finishes um and then it the black finishing also limits uh wear and tear um visibility um helping to um increase longevity of the stuff. Um, and then it also condenses down significantly nicer than um, the equipment that we already had. Um, so there's a smaller footprint. So there's more of space in the recreate in the multi-purpose room that we can use. So um, for the furniture solutions for the lower lobby area, here are some mockup sketches um, for what some of those um, items are going to be. And so in um, this section, you'll see the credenza. So the intention behind this one um to partially activate the space we will be storing things for um like games, cards, like uh more of those types of um transient things that um the public can engage with. So some of those like community programming and things like that. Um so this will be um storing some of those supplies as well as it has a tabletop service. So we have um space to be able to um you know either advertise for upcoming events or you know there's a space whenever we are having an event going on that we can put coffee on there so that um you know the participants can have coffee access and things like that. Additionally you'll see um these uh cafe tables and chairs. Um the driver behind that is people wanted casual spaces to be able to engage in activities. So we will have two of these set up um in the space. I'll show you the design act overall layout in the next slide. Um, but we've got two of these coming to help um provide opportunity for people to um sit down informally gather. Could be playing card games. It could be um working on homework, whatever. Um we've also got um the booth tables that are doing the same thing except um this one we are trying our best to utilize the space the best way that we can. Um, so it might be sort of a big space, but it's not when you start putting all the furniture in. And so the booths were a solution to still create active um spaces for people to gather and um get together. Um, but it also um better utilizes some of the space that we have available. We've also got these hightop um tables and um chairs that are going along um one of the walls that already has um outlets that are placed uh higher. Um and so this will be a great space for people to work remote to for the students to work on homework, which is something that we often see. Um we've also got these um benches going in. Um it doesn't show it in this picture, but um the fabric that's listed here, there will be cushions on top, so it will be more comfortable than just a wooden bench. Um but there will be two benches that will be placed um outside of the gymnasium area um with cubbies underneath so people can store their shoes while they are utilizing the gymnasium. So this is the overall furniture layout. So these are the cafe tables. They rest under um a window that's right here. These are the office or the the hallway to my office as well as the locker rooms and restrooms. These are the tables that are right along the wall with the outlets um along this wall. Our credenza which is loc will be located where the Victoria Express Library is. Um but as um we have uh informed you already um the Victoria Express Library is set to um conclude at the end of this year and so once that is removed um this will be placed in that space. We also have the booths here um on the lower portion and then on the opposite side we've got two sets of the lounge chairs um and then the um benches that will go across from the gymnasium entrance here and then that hallway feeds into our multi-purpose room. You'll also see at the top portion um the finishings that were selected. Um they were intentionally selected to go along with city branding and so all of the touches were thoughtfully designed to make sure that people knew that they were in a Victoria um facility. Additionally, um we got new um furniture supplies for our multi-purpose room. So this space is primarily used for programming and for rentals. And so, um, these are just demonstration chairs that came with the rack, but there's a storage rack, um, these ventilated folding chairs, which I have personally sat in, and they are actually relatively comfortable for being folding chairs. So, I'm pleased with that selection. Um, we've also got, um, these are black uh, sixoot tables. Um, so we already had sixoot tables, but a lot of them were, um, showing a lot of visible wear. They were cracked. Um, so we have updated that to improve the safety and as well as the look of the space. We also have um a select number of um the folding chairs with arms to um provide um more accessibility um for some of our users that might need um a little extra support when they're getting in and out of the chairs. Any thoughts, questions, concerns? I just had one question that I jotted down when I was looking at this. Um when we did the Vicreick survey, a lot of responses came back on the um red chairs in disrepair around the hockey class. >> Yes. So that is managed by the um the school district um and they have since replaced those with black chairs and black tables. >> Oh, like in the last couple weeks? >> In the last month. >> Okay. Okay. Yeah. >> Wonderful. Because I was there um I would say in September, so and I didn't see them yet. So, >> they were done probably at the end of September. They've been up for a few weeks. >> Okay. >> Um but yes, those were um updated. So, the chairs um that they the ta tables and chairs that they have now, they're all one level. Um and the chairs have been all replaced with um metal chairs, new surfaces, things like that. Um so, those have also been completed. That's awesome because there was so many comments about the maybe unsafess of the seating around the hockey class. So I would have hate to like updated one section and not >> Yeah. >> the other. So thank you. >> Okay. Any other questions? Okay, that was just a information item. So, we will move on to our main agenda item this evening, which is the review the survey results and public input for future park developments. And uh that was pretty exciting to see 620 responses and the number of people that showed up at the uh events and appreciate those of you that were able to make those and get some some input along the way. So, with that, uh, we'll let Jenna kick it off for us. >> Awesome. All right. So, just to recap, um, we are going to be discussing the future park developments for Hunter Brook Park, which is, um, just under uh 5 and a half acres of developable parkland, and then Marsh Hollow Park, which is just over 5 acres of parkland. Um, however, this one we do have to take into consideration that there is about one and a half uh acres of natural forest area that is protected. And so we have um just over three and a half uh acres of developable developable parkland um in that location. Um another thing to take into consideration as you can see on the map here um the distance between these parks is relatively close. So it's less than half a mile between the two. And so um a direction that we have gotten from city council is that we want our parks to be unique. Um and so um that's something that we want to take into consideration whenever we um make decisions. Speaking of considerations, other things that we want to be thinking about um as we evaluate some of the feedback and make some proposals um this evening about what we'd like to see um we want to be thinking about how the nearby residences will be impacted due to proximity of the the amenities. Um both of the parks are relatively close to houses. However, the Marsh Hollow Park is tucked into essentially some of the neighbors backyards. And so that's something that we significantly want to um take into consideration. Hunters Brook is also very close to parks, but um with some thoughtful consideration, we could um make have a little bit more wiggle room with that one. Um we also want to think about um like traffic and participation volume. And so depending upon what amenities we put in these locations, we want to take that into consideration. How many people is it coming through? Um how many people will be physically there? Um especially given the closeness to some of the neighbors. Uh, we also want to be thinking about um the amount of parking that's needed for the amenities being considered. Do we need a lot? Can we use street parking? Um, and things like that. Are the proposed amenities um available in other locations um throughout Victoria? So, are some of the amenities that we're proposing nearby? Um, we've already done a review earlier this year on the types of amenities that the city has. So, if we're proposing new amenities um in these locations, are we already oversaturated with some of those things or is it the flip and we don't have enough of them, so we need to continue to add more? Um, another question would be, are these new developments the best location for some of these amenities? So, as we review some of the feedback um from both the survey and the in-person stuff, uh are um the amenities that are he heavily being requested a good fit for these locations given, you know, some terrain, um closeness to neighbors, the all the other considerations that we've already listed, um or, you know, maybe there's a more central location if it's more of a hot topic. Um and then like I had alluded to, is this park's terrain um going to impact the possible amenities? So there is some slopes and some hills um at some of these locations. Some of that could play into some of our amenities. However, it could impact some of our amenities. So that these are all things that we want to think about as um we move forward. So um given our park uh development feedback, so we did do a multi-step approach with this. Uh we had multiple engagement opportunities um that were in person throughout the year to to gain feedback. And so we um this committee um participated in the Huntersbrook future parkside engagement as well as the senior advisory committee. Um the senior advisory and the park center committee also participated in the Noterman Trail/Lions Park engagement as well as the Marsh Hollow um future park engagement events. Um staff participated in uh engagement at the farmers market as well as during the truck rodeo. Uh we had really good turnout um at our um park engagement events. Um I would say Huntersburg probably was around the 70 people participant mark and Marge Hollow was um a little less than that. Around 50 60 people showed up to that event. Um which I'd say is a really great turnout, especially given that there was two in a relatively close location. Um we also conducted the park development survey. Um it was available to the public June 4th through September 30th. Um and we received a record um 620 responses. That is an an incredible uh turnout for this type of a survey. Um and so this does help give us um a pretty good feedback um for what people are looking for out of this. Something to consider as well. Um 48.7% of the respondents were residents. So there were a lot of people um that were given this um survey. So, the survey not only went to the neighborhood, but it also went to um stakeholders and um community uh partners and members. And so, you'll see that reflected in the survey results. Um and so that's something that we want to consider as we make some of our selections. Um 43.3% were from community neighboring and then 5.9 were even further outside of our neighboring communities. Um, those living within half mile of Huntersburg Park were 38%. Um, and those living with within half mile of future Mark Marsh Hollow Park were 28.1% which some of those could be the same people um, depending upon how close they live in the in between. Um, so the remaining percentage was comprised like I'd said of athletic associations and neighboring community partners. Um, you will see reflected in the survey that a large percentage of CCU soccer families completed the survey. the font um changed on me. Sorry about that, you guys. Um so we did um host um both two different inerson events and we also put one of these um sticker charts up at our truck rodeo. Um and so you'll see reflected in here. Um I listed out the top three uh amenities for each of these events. Again, I'm sorry that um the font changed on me. It must not be saved on this computer. Um, but at our Huntersburg event, um, the top three amenities were, um, indicated from our the neighborhood as a playground, pickle ball courts, and a splash pad. For the truck rodeo event, um, the community said that they were interested in a splash pad, an obstacle course, um, and a playground. Um, which depending upon who you ask is the same thing. Um, and then Marsh Hollow, they had indicated, uh, a playground, pickle ball courts, and a splash pad as well. For the survey, um we I listed out the top 10 amenities selected for consideration for both of the locations. In the survey, I did indicate um you know, a preference to review them as two individual parks um recommending that we look at these um as two unique um locations. Um however, you will see a lot of similarities between um the two. Um you'll see uh our athletic associations um weighed in heavily on the amenities here and so a soccer field um sports field was the number one selected um amenity um for both locations. A playground um came in second. Public restrooms came in third for both. And then this is where we start to differ. We do see a lot of overlap between um the the two locations. Um but there's a couple key features um that are different. So water feature did uh appear on both as well as picnic areas and trails and those are the next three just in different orders. And then we've also got um pickle ball courts on both. However, this is where you see a slight difference um between our in-person and our online surveys. Um, one thing I do want to note, um, some of the communication that we had from some of the residents when we were in person, um, a lot of the residents that we spoke to did not know that we had, um, relatively new pickle ball courts at the Victoria Recreation Center. And keep in mind during the time that um these inperson engagement events um were happening, the uh Victoria Drive was um being uh was under construction. And so their ability to get to the recreation center was rather difficult. And so um when we informed them that there was one nearby, a lot of them changed their mind um about having one in the neighborhood. Uh not to say that other people are still not interested in having them there, but um there was a lot of people that did quickly change their mind once they realized there was other amenities in the city. Um one big difference that you see between the two um is uh people indicated for Huntersbrook um a desire for a basketball court and for Marsh Hollow they indicated a desire for a dog park. The survey also asked um if we were to do a playground, what amenities would you prefer for the playground? The number one choice was that obstacle course feature. Um after that, we've got um climbing features, zip lines, belt swings, shaded zones, natural play elements, forts, balance beams or stepping stones, tunnel or tube slides, and then traditional slides. We also asked the question about what type of sports fields or courts people would be interested in. Um, a theme throughout the survey. Um, soccer fields were the number one selected option. And then the second selected option was a multi-use sports field which could also be used for a soccer field. Um, then we've got our pickleball courts, basketball court, uh, outdoor ice rink, mini golf course, baseball field, tennis court, sand volleyball court, and football field. Um, again, keep in mind some of these things could fall into a multi-port field. Um, it would just depend on how we striped it for that year. Um, Jenna, just as long as we're talking about fields in this section, I did have a question. Um, I've seen some renderings and stuff for something called an athletes village. >> Have you heard of this? I have that is >> because that might really impact what we cho choose to put in our um park space if this is really coming. >> Athletes Village is a private entity. Um they are in the process of presenting a sketch plat um city council. Nothing has been approved yet. Um >> but it is it is in city of Victoria. >> It would be in the city of Victoria. However, keep in mind it is a private for-profit location and so some of our users may not be able to utilize that facility based on um the intention of that because they have not made it clear what their um use demographics will be. Okay. So, if you guys haven't looked it up um you should. Um, it says it might be opening fall of 2027 and it could have four Premier baseball fields and 16 youth turf baseball softball fields and that's just outside. And then they're going to have inside dome space of both softball and uh, baseball facilities. >> Also, and I do want to reiterate, the sketch plat has not been approved by council. >> Yeah, I didn't see a sketch plat. I just am seeing what's publicly available and I was just shocked that we haven't talked about it yet >> because it hasn't been brought to council yet. >> Okay. >> Coming to council in November. >> Yes. Okay. Um so yeah, so you can also if you can't find Athletes Village, it's also under Pitchto Pitch Sports Complex. >> Okay. Um but when I saw then all this need and ask for fields um then I thought you know we should I don't I don't know if we can wait you know to make a decision but like I would hope that some of our youth sports would be able to rent out space also at this facility. Well, that's the difference between having space at City of Victoria parks where they're not renting the space, right? They do it at pitch to pitch facility. They would be renting that space. So, there in lies the quandry. >> And and I think as Janice stated, um, you know, our focus is, you know, everybody in our community and not just those that can afford private places. I mean, there's one could argue, well, we don't need certain things because well, the lifetime's just down the road, but not everybody can afford lifetime. Um, so I think there's a there's a balance. I think it's a good point to know that that's coming, that there might be other options, but I don't know that that precludes us from providing space in some of our parks for, you know, at least a general things. I mean, if there's all those baseball fields coming, softball fields, uh, as as you stated, maybe that's something we we don't need if there's other public ones available. And maybe our focus can be some other fields that aren't more general in use, >> mixed purpose, multi-use. >> Yeah. And the other the other thing too is um just you know I think that's good to thanks for bringing that up. I think it's good to know that there's something maybe coming. Um, but also I'm thinking about those don't seem to be the type of places where a young family wants to go and >> No, that's why I brought it up during the field like this section, right? like not against playgrounds and playground amenities, but like but like if let's say you know so baseball field here is seven on the list. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> here's here's what I'm here's my point though. My point is, you know, um if Chris's um kids uh as they get older uh want to he wants to go and play catch with them or practice hitting a softball or baseball. Um that's why you need a public space where they can go and do that. You don't have to go rent something for four hours that's probably taken out by youth baseball or softball leagues. or you know >> barrier to entry, >> right? You want to go kick a soccer ball around. It might be nice on a public area where you can go and do that for the attention span of a six-year-old, which is 20 minutes and uh not have to go someplace and rent the space. So, I think that's the difference. >> Yeah. >> Uh will, if this comes about, will uh there be as much demand for public space as far as who knows? We don't know that yet, but I don't know that that precludes us from moving ahead with what we need in these these areas. Um, and but anyway, >> so I think that is in its very early stages and I don't know that we want to wait because we want to get going on our park decision so we can plan for construction for next year. So that would be my input >> and I think there's already I mean there were some comments made in the survey and also by our visitor this evening that there's other parks in the you know that people are waiting for for things to happen in the parks and uh and I think we also got that feedback I think those that were at the uh Hunters and Marsh How uh events uh There were people there that were wondering how come there weren't things there already. Uh they were they were actually actually told >> uh not by the city but by the developer, you know, about the park that was going to be there. So I I don't think we want to delay. Um but anyway, well maybe Jenna, you can continue and we'll get back to to that point. Sure. >> All right. Anything else on the sports field before I move forward? Okay. All right. So, the next um thing that we talked about um in the survey was um amenities for future consideration. So, the questions were asked on Marsh Hollow and Huntersburg specifically. Um, and then, um, we left it open-ended. And part of the feedback for this one was based on, um, trying to gather ideas because obviously there are other parks um, in Victoria that are either underutilized, undeveloped, um, or newly acquired. And so, these are things that we're trying to cast a vision for. How are we going to move forward? Where are the holes that we can identify that maybe we can place in some of these future developments? And so, uh, the top 10 amenities listed on this one, um, was astroturf fields, which were covered, um, which might play into your comments earlier, um, as well as soccer fields, an outdoor pool, splash pad, trails, beaches, mini golf course, public restrooms, multi-use fields, and outdoor ice rinks. These I listed them together because it is the um, they came out with the same percentage. Um, and then same thing for playgrounds and covered picnic shelters. Um so as we think about the um survey itself um the following uh key themes were some of the major highlights that were repeated throughout both the surveys um through the different questions as well as um the in-person stuff. So water amenities um including a splash pad um were indicated as a high priority. Um I can flip back to the um inerson one. If you look at Truck Rodeo, the one that you can't see is the splash pad. So clearly at Truck Rodeo, that was resounding the top amenity um that the community was indicating um and it did appear in the um neighborhood um feedback as well. Additional uh fields, namely the soccer fields, were desired by our local athletic associations. Um there is also a desire for unique amenities. Um, while I didn't may not have listed them in the top 10, I I was surprised at how many people voted for some of the more unique and niche um, amenities that were indicated on the survey. Um, and then there was some variation of playground desired at both locations. Um, and there was a strong interest in the obstacle course style amenity. So, with that, we'll move to discussion. >> Okay. Okay, the first question that uh we have is uh do we have any recommendations for which amenities should be specifically considered? Why don't we start? Well, I guess we can talk about amenities we'd like to have in that area and then decide where they best fit. So, thoughts. I also saw the uniqueness side come through um on the selections, but not also in the long form answers. people had requested something that would be not like the other cities and obviously we won't be one of one. Um, but I think that the obstacle course and the splash pad are both really good ideas. There's not really anything in this area number one that that has it that way. Um, and I've kind of been going back and forth on the soccer field portion because it was pretty swayed by additional groups answering uh outside of the city of Victoria. But I guess kind of want to see the forest through the trees and there's likely a handful or probably a substantial margin of people in the city of Victoria that do want another soccer field. And I I going on top of that, I did see additional commentary that we can discuss a little bit more maybe, but on the complaint side um of some of the soccer fields being in tough condition. So maybe there's something along the lines of we can take a closer look at that and see if if we were to true those up. Would we need another one? Maybe. I don't know. Um but it's something to consider. But I think that the two that I'm fully sold on are the obstacle course and and the splash pad personally. >> And I can touch a little bit on um the field usage. And so um so yes it was heavily swayed by our participants from CC United um but seeing as our team does handle the field scheduling um we are at full capacity and then with my community partners like my colleagues and Jessica and Jan they are also at full capacity um and so um their request for fields is a genuine thing. Um so they do have a difficult time finding field space. Um, in regards to the maintenance, they are specifically referring to the north field at Dettown Park. Um, there are some spots on that field um that has a hard time growing grass um in the areas. It's specifically where the goals previously were and so the goalie um wears it down and so during the course of the season, it wears down that space and then it's really hard to regrow the grass. Um so our park maintenance team um as well as partnering with CC United um we are currently in process of working a plan to try to fix that. um by next season. And so um this year we've already laid down additional dirt and seed to try to get it to grow over the season and then we'll explore additional options um in the future. So that is something that we're working on um addressing right now. >> Yeah, that's I think the 100% capacity on the three cities fields. That's that's um valuable information. And then I guess that I didn't know what the quality was, but I I grew up playing soccer and I know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to the dead grass. Um I just didn't know if it was I've played on also some fields that are have random holes throughout. So I didn't know to the extent at which they were um not up to people's standards. So I think that you know the the the dead grass in the goalie area is fine. But I do think that that 100% capacity is something for us to consider. Um, >> you know, there's a there's another component to the soccer fields too if they're at full capacity and they are in other areas is not only is there open space that can be used by others when those I don't know how often >> soccer takes up those fields but uh this also brings people to our community uh which spurs business which spurs development which spurs additional funds So we can have other park elements uh funding for the city and other things too. So need to keep that in mind as well. >> Yeah, I was going to soccer field. I think at least one of them should have some type of open field concept that way too if in the future you want some flexibility on the space. I know we reviewed open spaces this year, but at least you have some component of multi-use. Um I did see a lot of feedback on like a shelter with bathrooms. I think if you did something like a splash pad or a soccer field, you'd want that infrastructure there so they could be there for several hours versus you get half an hour and then you got to go back and it makes it a little bit easier for those to use the park. I think that's what we've seen. Some like Chaska has some good parks that people stay a long time because they can they can kind of reset throughout the day. Jenna, can you talk about um if the space can hold a soccer field or multi-use field and versus like um other parks that have a standalone field, >> you know? So, soccer fields are pretty large. Um but both uh Marsh Hollow and Huntersbrook are large enough to have a soccer field. However, um when I had indicated a consideration um with the number of people um for um participating in those soccer fields, if you think about Marsh Hollow and how close that field is to the person's backyard, you'd essentially have people pushing up to sitting on their back lawn. And so while both do have a field large enough that it could accommodate soccer fields, I would highly advise against um one being at Marsh Hollow due to the proximity to those neighbors um because that would intrude a little bit on their privacy because people would be lining up their chairs in their backyard essentially. Um however, Hunterbrook has a large enough space um and it's separated enough from the community that it would be a site that could be suitable for that. And then I'm thinking about some of the comments um that people generally commented on. Can you talk to about if there's a better park location for a soccer field or changing of a field to a soccer field that might make better sense? >> As of right now, we don't have any other park locations that are not already being utilized for a soccer field that are large enough to accommodate a soccer field. >> Okay. So there's no individual standalone soccer fields like I like I'm thinking of >> DTM has soccer fields um and Lakebridge um has a field that can be used for soccer practices. Um and those are the only other ones that are large enough. >> I was thinking so by the Lake Bridg by the elementary school has the multi- I don't know if they're striped for soccer like I see lacrosse out there, football out there. >> That one is a multi-use field. >> Okay. So like rap city uh outfield of the softball field is not big enough. >> Not for not for an actual soccer field. It can be used for like practice stuff but it is not large enough for an actual soccer field. >> I have a I have a question regarding soccer field. Um how often um would are these used? I mean, is it an every night thing during the week or is it twice a week on Saturdays? Uh, my point is, do we want to have an amenity in a neighbor a park that's for the whole community, but also kind of for the neighborhood that's some it's used uh 85% of the time for soccer and then the people can't use it for other things. >> So, it's uh it's very seasonal. Um, and so we typically we have summer soccer. Um we have a little bit of spring soccer um and then we've got fall soccer. Um the practices um are typically held um in the evenings. Um and uh games are held on the weekends. And if we added in another field, it I would say it's unlikely that every night would be filled. Um and it's typically only for a few hours for practices. And so it it's not large games that are happening. It's um smaller practices that happen during the week and then large games on the weekend. And so the seasons um the spring season is relatively short. The summer season um goes on for a good portion of um June and July. And then the fall season is uh only about a month and a half. Do you have that um uh layout where you could put like a soccer field on Hunters Brook Park in the layout that we had at the uh >> I don't have it visually available right now but um if you can think back to um so so this location if you look at this portion this entire section right here is the size of a soccer field. >> Okay. So, there's still room on that site for additional >> Oh, absolutely. There's plenty of space on this site for multiple amenities. >> Okay. >> And we don't have any other um park land that's a better spot for a soccer field. Right now, >> my concern about a soccer field is parking because because it's one thing to have a field that the teams can practice at because then you're talking about, you know, >> way less people coming. They maybe drop the kids off and they leave kind of a thing. But if you're talking about games, that's a whole another thing because then that's a lot more traffic. It's people parking probably more than it would fit in the 10 to 12 park car park car um parking lot than that I think we were talking about. So then they're parking up and down the street in the neighborhood. Um so >> yeah, so if they there's only one soccer field that would go on this, so it would just be the two teams. It's not like a tournament style where there would be multiple teams playing at a time. Um, and so I would say um, while it would be um, definitely traffic, we would use the parking lot and there might be some street parking. Um, typically these games are done relatively quickly, so it's not an all day thing. Um, obviously any sort of traffic will um, draw people in. Um, and because these are larger parks, I think we're going to um, have traffic no matter what amenities um, we select. Um, however, that is something that um you guys can take into consideration for these fields. However, um do know that there's a lot of people um that are requesting these soccer fields. >> Yeah, I'm I'm very torn because I know from like the sports perspective side of things, like these fields and courts are needed in Victoria, like CCU United is all of our cities, right? It's Chesca, Chan, Victoria, and Carver, right? All together. So, all those kids are on a mix of teams participating. But like the Chan Athletic Association, which is basketball and softball, that is kids that are generally going to go to Chanhassen. So, it's generally Victoria kids and Chanhassen kids. And in Victoria, like our we're growing those teams because our population here in Victoria is still growing, right? So like there aren't as many Chan kids on those like softball, baseball, basketball teams just because of the population growth or whatnot. So like I know there's a need for these fields. I'm just really torn about like putting this in a neighborhood park like and to Mary's point about like okay if there's three games in a day on a weekend like yes you only have two teams but then the next team that plays you have to get to the field a half hour to 45 minutes early. So actually you have four teams there and like sometimes as parents you don't drive together because you're bringing another kid not to get there 45 minutes early. So, I'm really torn on putting this in a neighborhood amenity. And that's why I'm like, you know, if we have the opportunity to like where else can we put a soccer field? Like obviously this is a need, right? Like obviously this is a want but and then if this sports complex is coming in I know you said like it's private it's rented but like is there an opportunity to like work with them to you know have fields lined for multiuse or something right that aren't just baseball softball specific if it's also going to be in our community and like sports families are going there where there's ample parking. It sounds like, you know, not not going in a neighborhood front entrance, right? >> It is tough. Like a soccer field's a need. It's not necessarily unique, which is hard. So, I think that's one thing we'll want to think through. >> And, you know, your house is right there. I mean, I'm I am curious about your opinion because people are going to be practically drive uh parking in your driveway at that point. Um I'm still I'm not saying I'm not for soccer field yet. I'm still kind of I'm also on the fence of it's it's needed 100%. But that it is going to bring so much traffic through that neighborhood. >> Yeah. I think we just want a park that'll be unique. That's the biggest thing. So like if it what makes it a difference maker and we don't want it sitting idle. I think that we didn't do a good job. If the park's just sitting there unused all the time, it means we didn't design a good park. >> So right for the for the case of time, would you mind if we moved on to the next amenities? >> All right. Um continue on because that was just the >> Okay. Other thoughts? Mary, do you have I haven't heard from you on >> um >> should go >> I well obviously the playgrounds um and I think if there was a way to do some kind of an obstacle course or ninja course or whatever that is I think we've been hearing that along the way this is a way to kind of get the older kids involved as well. So um if one of those parks can incorporate some kind of climbing obstacle kinds of thing I think that would be very different um for any other parks that we have. So I'd really love to see that. um at least one of them. You know, zip lines is one of the things that was if you look at kind of the top obstacle course, climbing features, zip lines were the top three things. Those are all kind of more active kinds of um play. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, we talked about differentiating the parks, too, versus amenities. Like, is Marsh Hollow more like a natural? Like, does a zipline go in there? And Hunterbrook is the more ninja course that's wanted by the community or you know the the poran place you know Hunter Brook so it's more accessible in the marsh hollow um has like maybe some features that can be built into the hillside um and whatnot to make them separate and unique from each other. We all know for years the community has been asking for a water feature. >> I just again like from visiting so many neighborhood splash pads as a mom for 11 years now. Like most of those splash pad water features are in more of a large community park that has a lot of other amenities and a lot of accessible parking. >> Lot of parking. That's the thing I'm concerned about too, taking my grandkids to the water park in Delano. It's like there's a lot of parking. Um I really worry I I really think we need a a splash pad. I just don't think it belongs in a neighborhood park. So that's my concern. I I mean, yeah, Splash Pad for years has been like one of our park and Rex climbing asks, right? And if you if you are the closest, you know, water feature might be Chesca's and Fireman's Park, right? They have a huge parking lot. Um, and then you go to the other neighboring communities in Eden Prairie and those are in really like destination parks like Miller Park and Round Lake. So like I I struggle with putting a splash pad in someone's neighborhood too because it is a draw. It is a >> I would say one thing to keep in mind is splash pads can come in all sort sorts of sizes and so um in my experience in recreation I've seen some that are the water park type destinations but I've also seen ones um that were thoughtfully designed to fit a neighborhood type of park like some that are probably not the square footage bigger than this room that we're in. Um and it was still an a community amenity. It was well used, but it wasn't overrun um because it wasn't a grand, but it was an opportunity to get people outside. And so, um just playing both sides here. There is a way to thoughtfully um design it to be a little bit of a smaller footprint so it's not a huge draw um while still meeting the need. Um but I definitely understand the concerns about um it being too much of a draw since we don't have an amenity like that already. Have you seen a way for like the splash pad? I saw some of the survey for those that were in the neighborhood are wanting like some type of ice feature. Is there a way you could rem if you had a big enough splash pad to convert that into just like a sheet of ice? Doesn't have to be fenced. No. Okay. >> No. Um the way that those would have to be designed would not be able to convert in that manner. >> And can you go back to the sticker thing of what the neighborhoods actually said because I know splash pads very high. That's from the neighborhood. That's you go you go around and they're asking for a splash pad. >> I think that would be something unique. Um, I agree that if it was a big one that would be problematic in in that neighborhood, but sized correctly, I think it would be, as Jenna states, not overrun, but it would be used. Um, I also know that those aren't cheap um from some other communities I've seen put them in, but they were bigger ones too than >> the depending upon the scope of the project. It's not much different than the playgrounds. >> Okay. All right. Well, that's good to know. >> The only difference would be is the water connections, but I have already chatted with our um development team to see if um a water amenity is possible and there is water stubbed at both locations. So, um we would be able to do it if that's um the direction that um ultimately city council decides. >> Are we um you know the pickle ball courts have come up here. You mentioned that a lot of people that had stated they wanted that uh also didn't weren't aware of the ones that existed or couldn't get there uh with the construction. Um, and we also know know that noise is a problem. Uh, is that something that we can take off the table um to try to narrow down? Now, >> I would personally take that off the table and and I would I'll just tell you that the usage at our our current pickle ball courts were not past capacity. So, um, some of our neighboring communities have added courts and that's taken the pressure off of our courts. Two years ago, we we had a waiting line. you could wait half an hour to get on and play, but that has um not been the case this summer. So, um like I said, some of the neighboring communities have built or expanded their courts and that's taking the pressure off ours. So, we have plenty of capacity at our existing courts. I and that and the noise component um in a neighborhood. I don't think pickle ball courts in a neighborhood are a um a good combination. >> Any others agree, disagree? >> I agree. I heard 5050 on it. So I think if we had some type of court like if basketball court was popular, we saw that in the surveys, it probably could get used for pickle ball. So I think how how could you stripe something for multi-use, not just a dedicated court? I think that's what we need to look at. >> Okay. There was a comment in there uh as well about tennis courts uh not on the west side of Victoria Drive or something like that. >> Yeah. >> I mean there's tennis courts around. I I don't know how seems to me when I drive by there's unless the tennis team is practicing they don't seem to be overused. Um >> there's one in Dear Run. Is there does it get used? >> I have no idea. >> No. >> I would also like to draw attention to the tennis courts at Holy Family. There's eight courts there and those are public amenities. >> Yeah. >> So, that's a partnership between Holy Family and the city and so um the public can utilize those as well. >> I think part of it's a communication thing and for the people that play tennis, uh they're going to find a court if they need one that's not too far away. I mean, they might have to drive to it, but it's, you know, be within five minutes probably. But I I do like the concept of uh something basketball court seems like a fairly um good thing to have in one of those parks, at least if it's not a full one, a half one, uh with a couple baskets. I mean, that's something kids can do on their own. I mean, it's not expensive. you hit a ball and got the court there that can be out there and I think that's something that gets used. >> There was a lot of talk about that at the um Hunters Brook because that was the one that we filled in. It wasn't on the list, but you could see in the bottom of that one we filled in some stickers. There was a lot of lot of people talked about a basketball court. So, yeah, I would agree that'd be a good amenity in one of those. So looking at what people filled out on the survey for Hunter Book, it said sports field, then which we know might be suede, then playground, bathrooms, water feature, then picnic shelter. Can it fit a playground, bathrooms, water features, and a covered picnic area? There's space that we could put a soccer field and a playground and a splash pad and a picnic area. It's just a matter of how much money do we want to spend. So there five acres is a lot of park. Um and so when we take these things into consideration, it's not we don't necessarily have to make the recommendation that we're choosing between a splash pad or a ninja course. We could do both. It's just depending upon how much um it comes down to in cost and do we want to develop it all at the same time or do we want to delay development? >> And can you remind me if we can add a parking lot into that space? Is that a possibility? Okay. I mean, that's something to consider. I mean, again, like if all the fields are at 100%. I think if you put a soccer field in there, there has to be parking. I don't think that there's it's another option. >> I didn't include it when I was saying it, but thought was also in my like I was mocking up some spaces. Sure. >> Um, and you're able to include everything that I just said plus a parking lot. >> Oh, perfect. Yeah. I mean, I think that I think that the splash pad, regardless of even how grand it is, I think it will still inevitably pull, especially this west side um to that one. So, >> to me to Yeah, 100%. And I think it's great. I think that that's what what it should do. Um >> so, I think the Huntersbrook one, personally, I think it fits best with the splash pad and I think it fits best with a parking lot. Those are just two that I have. And then in my mind, if you have a splash pad, you should probably have a public restroom there because there's kids that are going to be there for hours on end. It's probably good for someone to have. Any sort of covered picnic area, I think, is a bonus. I don't think it's necessarily 100% needed. Um, and then the Marsh Hollow side, I know we were talking like a little bit more natury. Um, but I'm almost thinking for us to be able to is if we were to put a soccer field and a splash pad over there, it would be wild. We'd need a pretty big parking lot in the Hunters Brook side. But on the Marsh Hollow side, I think then that would fit really well for the obstacle course, ninja ninja course. Um, but that would be going away from the kind of natury side. That's kind of where I'm just writing down as we're talking what I think would fit in both of those sides. But >> just a a question on the splash pad. Um, I was on a walk the other day and I walked by um the rec center and where the parking lots are out there. Uh, would there be space there that I'm just thinking of a cent centrally located splash pad? Um, would there be room uh up where we already have all the parking at that corner? There's some like marsh land or something there on the one end of the park. It seems like there'd be space there for that sort of >> developing on the marsh land area would be rather challenging and incredibly expensive because we would have to convert that out of being a marsh land in order for it to be able to support. >> Yeah, it isn't right on the marsh. There's some land before you get to the marsh. Um >> I I'm not saying we shouldn't No, I'm just thinking >> no bad ideas. >> Yeah, >> I would say um if you take out all of the marsh area, it's a relatively small space because even where the marsh where you see the marsh plants um the actual ground is still marsh. >> Okay. >> Um so it would still take significant um modifications. >> Okay. So, you know, one of the concepts here is that we talked about is um you know, you brought up some kind of a proposal almost of things you'd like to see. Why don't we take that as kind of a straw man and >> and just, you know, start there and then see what we want to add or take away from that thought was brought up or add that we haven't talked about yet. Other other comments, thoughts. >> So, >> I Yeah, I just keep going back to the questions that are in there like is there Is there a better spot for some of these like um you asked us to consider that. So like with like downtown west expansion or whatnot like do you envision us like getting a splash pad there, you know, like as a city center city feature like you know Maple Grove city center has whatnot. there's not a large enough uh area of public land to have a full-blown splash pad. Um, and some of the businesses that are uh potentially considering this space have indicated that that could be problematic for their business because then you'd have wet coming into the building. Um, so I would say a splash pad in downtown West is I'm not saying out of the realm of possibility, but based on the preliminary conversations, it doesn't sound like it's um a preference for the developers in that area. Um there is some green space that's being put in that area, but it is not large enough to accommodate some of the things that have been reflected in the survey. >> I would say a splash pad then >> second that one >> in Hunters. >> Hunters or >> Yep. Hunters. >> I'd be concerned about the noise in Marshall with likely kids screaming in people's backyards. is do we take it as a given that there'd be playgrounds in both of these parks? >> I would I would say yes. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I think the splash pad would go well with the obstacle course. Um and one thing we didn't talk about, I think the accessible surface is really important that we go ahead and get that in. >> So that would allow it for more use everybody. >> At least one of the parks have it. >> Yep. At least one. Definitely. >> Yeah, I agree. that kind of sets Hunters Brook as a little more of like the adventury type theme park if you have water and an obstacle course and then the other ones we keep that nature theme. That's where I'm torn on the soccer field, too, because I think that's so much space then. >> Yeah. >> Does that stick with the theme of the park that you're trying to make? >> That take up a lot of space or do you have is the is the issue games or is the issue practice? >> Yeah, because I was thinking if you could just limit it to practices that would be less cars, it would be less traffic. Um, if you would you restricted it to just practices. Does that help take some of the pressure off of the neighborhood? >> I'm not sure we can actually do that >> because how the park is right now, Hunters, it it is a pretty cool long field. Like the more you chop that up, it makes a little bit just like a standard park. >> I would also say one thing to keep in mind is um developing it into a soccer field will cost significantly less than developing it into anything else. And so because we are developing two new parks um within the same time period um and we're coming from the same pot of money, if we decide to go away from some sort of a um fieldbased amenity um to something that requires more infrastructure, it might limit what we're allowed to do. >> Um so just kind of keep that in mind. I I guess I'd be in favor of a a soccer field in in the one. I think we asked people what they wanted and um you know I think it's important that we listen to what people if there's a need and there doesn't appear to be other uh alternatives. Uh I think a soccer field can be used for many things. somebody can take their um throw a tennis ball and have their dog retrieve it in the soccer field when it's not being used for that or go play catch with your kid or hit fly balls or play whiffle ball or lots of things you can do out out there. Um so I don't know if I I don't know how you differentiate between a a soccer field and a open field. I mean, it's they can be some of the same things, right? >> Yes. >> I mean, they you could >> it's just a matter of striping it in which type of nets or whatever you put out there. >> And is there anything that's saying that a soccer field couldn't be striped for flag football in the fall? >> No. >> Or whatever. >> Okay. >> There's a lot of fields that are striped for multiple things throughout the year. >> Okay. So, I I guess that's one thing I'd like to to see. And it seems like that one seems to fit in Hunterbrook. Talked about I like the splash pad idea and I like the obstacle course piece. Now, are there room and a playground? Is there room for all of that in the parking lot in Hunters? >> Yes. >> Okay. Then in the other one we had talked about we put like a a basketball court or something in the other in the marsh howl with u we talked too when we were there that night about like hammocks by the uh woods there is that like a mini hammock village. >> Yeah, that one that one was one of the unique amenities that a lot of people actually really liked. So, I was surprised to see how many people responded well to that one. But, yes, that that could be something that we could even intentionally um do it along um just the outskirts of that um wooded area to have it be a little bit more scenic and so that wouldn't really impact um the available usage for other things in the area. >> Are we able to do trails within the woods at all? >> No, we can do it around it, but we can't go through it because the entire area is protected. That was another thing that was that was high in the list in um the Marshall. Yes, sir. >> Yeah, we can go around it. >> Okay, so we have right now um we have soccer field that can be used for other things. a obstacle course, splash pad, um playground, and parking lot. In Hunterbrook, we have a hammocks and basketball court in the other one, plus some open space that can be used for anything. I think I want to asterisk that on the Huntersbrook one a little bit because if we have I would say those three are going to be probably the three biggest attractions to one park and so you're going to need either a absolutely massive parking lot or we're going to have to shift one to uh Marshall in my opinion. >> I agree. I I just h I just have seen the sports fields turnovers and having to get there 45 minutes early and I just am so fearful that your neighborhood the neighborhood is going to be calling the city being like what is going on here? Um, you know, flag football, we turn over at Chesca High School on the weekends. And granted, there's a way more fields, but like it's wild. Like, you can't even get into Chaza High School's back parking lot. There's, you know, so much like people getting there early before games leave and and whatnot. And I love the splash pad, but and I love the ninja course, but you're going to have people wanting to come there as a destination. So to also have soccer, I just I don't know, Jenna, if you can give us a picture of how many parking spaces. >> Yeah, I won't be able to tell you exactly how many parking spaces, but I will say given the size of these parks, they're going to be destination parks no matter what we do. >> Yeah. So we will run into that issue no matter which direction that we go. Um and that is direction that I've given um in terms of creating more destination regional parks. I >> you know and I I think I understand completely what you're saying because I'm in and events with my grandkids and I know the turnover and I know there's number of people coming but I think we also have to recognize that um the direction and I think maybe this is what Jen is saying or what the city council is saying is you know we have these five acre parks we don't some places some communities uh have, you know, 100 acres where they put everything in the center of town and everybody goes there. Our community has opted to have smaller parks in, you know, different locations. So, if we're going to have these activities in our community, we're going to have to use these five acre parks for some of these destination things. And you know, I I don't disagree that the city could get some complaints, but I think uh that's something that if we make a recommendation, maybe we put that in our our uh recommendation that we're putting these here and recognize we're going to need parking and u you know, then the those that make the final decision will have to consider all that and that's their decision to make. We've been asked what amenities are needed and what we think can go here and I think we should >> do that and we can always put an askers and say well parking is going to be important. I mean that's going to be a consideration of one of our our things and um >> right I I would say a parking lot was intended for this um park no matter what amenities were put in there. So that was a part of the design. Um, so if you do go out to the location, you'll see that there is already a cut in from the sidewalk as a parking lot entrance. And so parking lot was intended to be something that's in this park no matter what we put in given the scope of the the location. Um, and the streets are wide enough that you can do parking on both sides. Um and so obviously it does increase traffic flow, but there is um the opportunity to increase the size of the parking lot that gets put in there as well as uh street parking is already available on um the main street going through there. >> You can go up and down the hill, which somehow we can do it later on, but how do you connect the two parks with signage and yeah, >> you make the other one like a wooded? >> My my only thing a different subject, a basketball court might take a little bit away from the wooded feel. So, if there's a way to play into it more with some of these other amenities, >> maybe we'll make the basketball court a tree. >> Oh, the trees. >> I think backboard up on the tree. >> The one thing missing from the Hunters Brook one was probably bathrooms then, especially if you're going to have soccer field and a splash pad. >> I will say something to keep in mind. Uh, depending upon how um expensive all of these things end up being, no matter what, we can put portable restrooms in. Um, and so obviously if you have a splash pad and you have all these things, um, an a plumbed out one is a preference. I would prefer to use that over a um, portable restroom, but um, in either location, that's something that we can put up um, every season. And so that is something that we do at a lot of our other locations and that's something that we can continue even if um, we, you know, map all this out and we end up realizing that we're not able to put it in at this point. costwise, how do you think we are just from a swag? >> Are we over? Are we under? >> We're about in line. So, I think that a lot of these things are um doable. Um so, it's just a matter of where we put it and how we figure it out. So, I do I do think that it is possible to do a lot of the things that we've talked about this evening. >> So, if we put the obstacle course in Marsh How um you can almost have that themed right >> to meet the outdoor or whatever wilderness >> thing uh to uh if we wanted to. >> It's going to be a little quieter than the other options that we've put forward cuz it's in people's backyards. Basketball, I think, is still fine, but that's probably going to be even a little bit louder than what I expect the obstacle course would end up being. So, you know, while while we want to be cognizant of, you know, neighbors and that sort of thing, we also have to, you know, this is a park and people knew there was going to be a park there. I mean, you live next to a park. There's a lot of advantages, but there also are some disadvantages. And if we're afraid of noise and all that, then we shouldn't not we should just take the money in lie of and you know bought some acres outside of town. >> Fair enough. Yeah. >> And builders kind of said we'd have a destination park. I mean Marsh Hollow was told they were going a dog park. So >> which I will say that is something um while not reflected in the survey, it is something that I personally get asked often um with a dog park and for Marsh Hollow. Um, so that lower um region, if you guys remember being out there, so there is a um lower region and then there's an upper location. That upper location um is graded to be a field. Um but um that is one where I would strongly advise not to put an an athletic field. Um however, that could be a location for a dog run. It's maybe not big enough for like a full-blown super fancy dog park. However, a dog run could potentially go in that location and still utilize that terrain. >> How would that work? Or is it just a >> you fence it off? Um, you control the access. We provide a few dog friendly amenities, but it's essentially an open fenced in space for people to let their dogs um socialize and run around and things like that. And so dog runs do differ from dog parks um slightly. Um most of it's because of the size and the terrain that you have them in. Um, but that is something that if we do want to create a dog amenity, um, that is listed. Um, you see it sprinkled throughout the survey and it is something that I get, um, just from public feedback. >> There are a lot of town homes in that area, too, of people who don't have yards. So, if they have a dog, it would be a good amenity. >> I did I I did notice at our open houses that almost everybody had a dog. Seemed like >> we did get a lot of dog people at the Marsh Hollow event specifically. It could be a unique play if you did have a soccer field at Hunters Brook. You had the dog run over there. You could bring your pet and you could go back and forth between the parks, which would be kind of cool. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it is on their list. It's on their the one that's that's up. >> Okay. So, we have dog park or our dog run or some dog amenity, >> hammocks, >> natural playground. >> Natural playground. >> That's pretty cool. >> Okay. At Marshall. >> And then at the other one, we have the splash pad, playground, parking lot. What am I missing? >> Soccer. soccer field. >> Bathrooms. >> Bathroom. We have room for a basketball. >> Even I I can see if I can squeak it into one of the locations, >> right? Okay. You know, and even if it's attached the end of the parking lot or something. >> Yes. >> Doesn't have to be a full-blown court necessarily. >> Thankfully, basketball courts, if we just do like a one quarter, it's not quite as >> massive. Yeah. >> Even a half court. >> Yeah. If you did a sport court material, is that a pickle ball usable material? Like >> the only thing with pickle ball is you have to then fence it off. Um, and so typically basketball courts, um, you don't need to fence off. Um, but a pickle ball type deal, you would have to, and I'm not 100% sure the dimensions would work if it was a half court, >> okay? >> But be you'd also have the hoop >> um, in there that would impact play. So, it's not to say that people couldn't bring a portable net and play. Um, but typically you don't see basketball courts being fenced off. And if we did do a fenced off um sport court, uh that would be an additional expense. So, and that's something else um that um financially we need to consider because the proximity of these fields to a major road especi especially given um Huntersbrook um a lot of uh neighbors had indicated a concern about it being open next to that field. And so something that I would um be strongly advising and encouraging is the consideration for um fencing off at least that one half of the park um to prevent kids from running into the street. >> You're Victoria Drive. You're referring, >> right? Y sense. >> Yeah, that makes >> absolutely. >> Okay. What are we missing if anything that >> The only other thing I would throw in there would be some kind of accessible playground equipment um if we could if even there's just something because um I don't know our playgrounds very well in Victoria, but um if we did have that poured um surface that makes it a little bit more accessible, but then just the structures themselves. >> Absolutely. >> Um I just The last thing that I noticed in the comments is that someone put we can't get to we can't get to these parks because of trail connections. >> So, I just wanted to I I don't mean to like bring up the negative, but I know we have to keep recognizing it, right? Like, and so that was that was that was seen by someone, right? like, okay, you're going to put in these fabulous parks, right? They're going to be destination parks and and we can't get there or our kids can't get there on a trail. Um, so I I think when we did our trail connection, we have that trail from like >> Yeah. like prioritized, but it seems like again we did the right prioritization because the trails are coming along Victoria Drive, but there's still that one um gap. >> How do you And there's you got to get across Victoria Drive in one spot, too, uh with the new sidewalk. So, even a pedestrian crossing, I know that probably gets talked about a lot. I know it's 55 miles an hour, but somehow to cross the road would help. What at what intersection are you like >> the right by once Deer Run starts you lose that sidewalk and you can't cross the street very well. So even if there was a cutout to get into that new sidewalk you can connect downtown all the way to the to the >> I think that's good point. The other one I comment I saw on there too was uh you know we I don't want to get in a discussion of trail camps >> but but but there's the one that I I think is too that one is >> very dangerous to get out there and you have to go on church-like road there and that's >> traffic's going pretty fast so that >> may limit some use of that or having parents say well you can just ride your bike over there. Uh, I wouldn't want my kid doing I guess my kid now could, but when my kid was younger. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Are there anything else we're missing? Do we want to make a recommendation of those things? Uh do we want to make a motion to recommend to the city council that uh this is we reviewed the information and this is what we feel would uh best meet the needs based on feedback that we've received. >> And what is the next step for you, Jenna? said to start talking with um >> yeah, I would say um a motion to recommend the things that you guys discussed tonight would um help. Um next steps from here is um we are presenting um uh capital improvement projects to council um in November uh during a workshop. And so these are some of the projects that are on that list as well. Um so if we already have a consensus from this committee um and a summary of this that would help um in driving some of that forward um from there. And so um that would be the next steps. And then because these ones are slated for more um like sooner development as in next year. Um next steps after that is once we get council's approval to move forward with um the direction that we um are have given them and um any feedback that they might have then we start working with um engineering and landscape architects and things like that to design spaces. >> Will you go back to the neighborhoods and give them choices? I know in the past we've kind of had like here's playground one and playground two, which one do you prefer kind of thing. We I know we did that at Swiss Mountain, >> I want to say, but I don't I don't know um if that's something that you would ever consider >> giving giving those neighborhoods a little bit of choice in some of that. >> Yeah, once once the um architects and engineers are able to kind of do those sketch plots for those then then that's something that we could do at that point. Um so it kind of just depends on what council's direction is. >> Okay. >> Okay. I would entertain a motion. Okay, I will make the motion. >> I don't know if I've done it all. >> So long. Like, can we do two? Can we do two motions? >> All right. So, help me on this one. Okay. So, um I'd make a motion that we recommend to the city council in the development of Hunters Brook and Marsh Hollow Parks. uh that uh we cons that uh we would recommend at Hunter Brook Hunterbrook Park uh have um a soccer field, a splash pad, playground equipment, um >> obstacle course. >> Playground obstacle course. Yeah, >> playground obstacle course. I thought we were going to put the obstacle course at the Marshall. >> Yeah, I'm a little confused. I thought we were going to move it to Marsh Hollow as well. >> The earlier consensus was nature themed at Marsh Hollow and obstacle course at Hunters Brook. >> Okay, >> so what are we putting it? >> All right, that doesn't matter. >> Nature themed playground at Hunters. >> At Marsh Hollow. >> Marsh Hollow. a a nature obstacle course. So, >> well, there that doesn't exist. >> Um, so, >> all right, we're going to we're going to strike that motion. So, we'll we'll revise. And so, obstacle course by nature are not nature themed. Um, they are sports themed. And so, if you're wanting to keep thematic, um, then I would recommend um >> Huntersbrook um be at um the be the location for the obstacle course because then you can theme basketball course or swap back basketball court for the obstacle course >> because we had that attached to the >> uh parking lot. >> Both locations could have a parking lot. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I know. I'm just saying the basketball court because we said we were going to put that Hunters Brook. So, we're going to swap those two around the obstacle course and the basketball court. >> Okay. I'm gonna make a list here. Okay. So, Hunter, before I make a motion again, Hunter's Brook, we've got a soccer field. We've got a bathroom, splash pad, >> bathroom, splash pad. >> And then I I know you said parking lots included, but parking lot with a >> Yeah, we can we can emphasize laundry. >> Thank you. cuz I'm very nervous about that. >> I will I will emphasize in my presentation large >> large large parking lot >> obstacle course and a playground >> and I would say with the basketball court just a heads up it depends on where it would fit. >> Yeah. >> And so maybe if the motion includes a basketball court at either location. >> Okay. Sure. Perfect. Okay. So, >> Oh, yeah. Because we talked about it, but then it it disappeared. Um, that the playground for Marsh Hollow, while we want it to be nature themed, one of the features that the community had put high as a playground feature was a zipline. >> Yep. And that could be in the nature >> nature theme. Okay. >> That's part of the playground equipment, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. So, here's what I have so far. Hunter Brook, soccer field, splash pad, obstacle course, uh, playground equipment, and bathroom. >> Yep. And the obstacle course is a playground. >> Yeah. It's not two separate. It's like just or you could call it obstacle course, ninja course. >> Ninja course. >> Ninja course is a brand name. So obstac obstac >> that is a brand. >> This is hard. >> Obstacle. >> Okay. You can worry about that. >> Technically, it's an obstacle course playground. >> Okay. Obstacle course playground. Perfect. >> Oh my god. >> All right. >> And then parking lot. >> Okay. >> Parking lot. >> Soccer field. soccer field, splash pad, bathroom, parking lot, obstacle course, playground. >> And we said basketball court optional if it fit. >> Basketball court at >> either >> either >> location. >> And then uh at the other one, we've talked about a dog run, parking lot, playground, and a hammock. >> Yep. >> village or hammock feature. Yep. >> And then potentially basketball court, wherever it fits. Is that it? >> That's correct. >> Okay. I'm try again. >> A big one. >> Okay. Um, I would make a motion that we recommended the city council that uh we that Hunterbrook uh park be developed into a soccer field, splash pad, obstacle course, playground with a bathroom, and a parking lot. and that Marsh Howl uh be developed into a dog run, a playground, a hammock village, and a parking lot. And that a basketball court be uh added in uh whichever park uh we have uh the best space for. >> Is there a second to that motion? >> Second. >> Second. that motion. I will not repeat it. Any further discussion? All those in favor of said motion signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed say no. Motions carried. Thanks everyone. >> Thank you. >> And you got the gist of the discussion of Yes. the you know other concerns that we might have that absolutely passed on. Okay, that's any other business. I do have just one question. The gentleman that was here earlier was talking about Brookmore. >> Yes, >> that is that the one that's >> that one is off of It's on the corner of Coachia and Kerber >> that kind of goes to that towards that old neighborhood kind of connection in there. >> Yes. >> Okay. Yeah, it's kind of in between um the new development and the um old Victoria neighborhood. >> Yeah. And when is that scheduled for development? >> Is not currently scheduled. It's scheduled with TBD because that one is pending um uh funding. And so that one is one that could either be funded through park develop park dedication fees or general fund depending upon how council wants to allocate it. It is being presented for consideration as a capital improvement project, but it is not currently included in any uh future funding. Um so it the timeline for that one is still to be determined, but it is a future park that will be um considered for um development. >> Okay. Are you able to share that with >> will you be sharing the CIP with this this committee? We haven't seen that in a while. >> Uh because the council hasn't approved anything, >> right? Right. >> So, we will have a workshop in November to discuss potential CIP projects. >> Okay. >> Um, and so it's when the council approves moving forward with some of these considerations is when we'll bring it back. >> We would typically see like a five or 10 year projection of kind of like the project. >> That is what we're that is what we're in process of creating. >> That's not our function any longer. >> Oh, okay. That's the city city staff puts that together based on we come up with the recommendations once they come up with the funings. >> Okay. But it's good to see what's what the priorities are, what's in the pipeline. Yep. That is what council is determining. >> Okay. Good. >> I did bring up at the um semianual report that uh description of what things we were uh we've done so far this year. And I also mentioned that with our new parks in our growing community that um the council um be important to consider u that there's going to be a need for a significant investment in I think they know that parks and parks and wreck as we develop these new things. So, I mean, just the things we talked about tonight aren't going to be inexpensive, but and there's other ones that will keep coming as the we keep developing Victoria keeps expanding. And as mentioned earlier, every time you go out that road, uh there's a new development or earth movers are moving dirt all over out there. So, >> we'll probably continue to see that growth >> and I think the city council has been very supportive of uh you know recognizing this is a city of lakes and parks and u and take great pride in that. So um they get to do that part. We get to come up with the recommendations. We get to dream. They need to come up with the cash. Okay. Anything else for the good of the cause? If not, motion's in order to adjurnn. >> So moved. Oh, >> okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion's been made and seconded. All All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. No. Motion is carried.