Time being 7:05, I call the Hastings City Council meeting to order. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Welcome. Let the role reflect. We do have council member Lyfeld absent, but we do have a quorum. Tonight we will be having a presentation from MDOT, an update on our highway 61 improvement project. And with us, we have Brian Vichek from Mindot for the update. Welcome, Bryant. All good. All right. All right. Men, mayor, council members, thank you for having me here. I'm very happy to come back to you and talk to you about this project. Uh, my name is Bryant Visc. I'm the south area manager for Mindot Metro. So, my territory is Dakota, Carver, Scott Counties, and I act as a liaison to public agencies, uh, residents, businesses. Uh, mind is a big place. It's very confusing at times, and so tend to be the first point of contact. Uh with me is Robert Jones as well as south area engineer. He covers specifically Dakota County and uh you'll be seeing him more on this project as we get more into it. All right. So diving into our agenda, I'm just going to give a little refresher where we've been. We'll talk about our current activities and next steps. So where we've been, where we are, where we're headed. And the big thing I want to acknowledge right off the bat is it has been a while since we've been here. There has been a little bit of silence there and so I really appreciate this opportunity to come and talk to you about these things. We have been doing things uh but I know we need to keep that communication going. We need to let everybody know what's going on because uh we want to be as transparent as we can. This project is going to have impacts and uh we're going to try to get out in front of it as much as we can provide as much information as we can so that we are all prepared for what's coming. All right. So, part of the refresher here, Highway 61, uh, we partnered with the city on this and we determined a vision for the corridor. So, looking from roughly 4th to 36. We did a comprehensive study on the whole corridor, looked at traffic, looked at safety, looked at uh, p bike movements and really tried to go in and figure out it is a highway today. It will remain a highway, but how do we make it so that it serves the mindot purpose for moving vehicles safely while becoming part of the community instead of a barrier to the community? And so that was really the purpose of the study is how do we accomplish those goals and try to balance that between uh the two agencies and make sure again that this serves everyone. uh we did a lot building on past work for the city and uh had the four areas that we kept as we looked at these different things and like I said tried to really provide that vision for where we want to go on this study. All right. So from 2023, we had this schedule that we publicly put out there of where we were and we were finishing up that study. And uh as you can see, we were there in between this uh planning and scoping and funding opportunities. And so beyond that, you move into design and then finally construction. And so the next steps that we had identified at that time, we needed to finalize our report. We needed to look at these funding opportunities and then move into our mind scoping which is a internal process for us where we really identify what is the project what are we doing out there we put our own estimates to it and kind of a uh pre-kickoff to the design process. Uh let's see. So for those steps, we have finalized the report. The website was updated. We've got that information there. People can go and see what the vision is. They can look at uh our executive summary. We did not post the whole report. It is a big report. Uh but people can request it if they'd like. funding opportunities I'll talk a little bit more about later but we have been active again working with staff to uh look at those opportunities try to make sure that we're fully funding what's there and then we have gotten through that scoping thing our internal mind process so all right so moving right into current activities funding opportunities uh put the good news at the top we were successful in a couple options regional solicitation uh we got 7 million there and then a TED grant which is a economic development uh 2.7 so almost $10 million that are put towards this project. The estimate coming out of our vision study was 30 million. Mandot had already identified 10 million for it and so this approximate 10 million means we're twothirds of the way there. So that's the good news. Uh we are still looking to fill that gap, get the rest of it done. Uh we do have a build grant that is out there formally raise. We we won't hear about that until June. And then uh there is a safe streets for all grant and that's coming up in June the deadline is. So we'll be working with staff to update uh our application for that, try to build on what we learned from other ones and make that a better application. And then I just listed some other grants we went after uh looking at rural looking at rays. We did safe streets for all once before. Uh not successful on those, but even though they weren't successful, we did a followup afterward, talked with the people who reviewed it and basically tried to, you know, where were our weaknesses, where did we miss, so that when we go into these next ones, we can improve it and hopefully be successful continuing meetings. So, uh we did a large engagement process through the vision study. We met uh we had open houses, we met with businesses, met with residents, uh had a lot of side meetings, official meetings. There was just a lot of activity in there that has continued. So I listed just generically business and resident discussions. Uh we've had additional meetings with businesses that they've come up. Uh some of them were involved in the activities before. They've contacted me or other staff for just updates. Kind of the same thing. Hey, where's it at? Are we going to hear from you again soon? and we give them kind of an update like this, make sure they know what's going on. Other ones are new who have just heard about it and happy to talk to them too and again really go through this is what we're looking at. This is your particular area. Make sure everyone knows what's uh what's going on. Same thing with the residents. There are some uh properties that we identified uh that will have impacts. We'll need to uh obtain more right away and so we're continuing to talk with them as well. let them know the timeline when we may be talking to them more officially and and just helping them prepare for what may come up there. So, plan to continue doing that. Again, uh we're trying to be as open as we can. Anyone can contact us and we'll let them know where we're at. the city staff meetings. Uh this is another thing that I uh we had an initial meeting and really talking about traffic control and I'll go back to we know this is going to be an impactful project and so we wanted to have this initial kickoff with staff. We brought our construction engineer in and really talked about okay we're not going to solve it in one meeting. We need to have multiple meetings, but let's talk about what could be done, where are we at, what are the parameters of, how are we going to build this? And, you know, we started all the way of, well, can we shut it down? Well, it's a river crossing, so no, that's not going to be possible. So, then where do we go from there? What does that look like? Um, lots more questions out of that than answers right now, and that's a good thing. So really starting those discussions and again trying to figure out how are we going to get there? How are we going to get to that finished product that we all want? All right. So pulling from that last one, this is kind of the new calendar that we're at. Like I said, we've gone through that planning. We have that vision. We've gone through our scoping. We've gone through some of the funding opportunities. Still more to do there. and we're moving into this design phase. So, not where we wanted. I was hoping we'd be a little further along. I was hoping I'd have a consultant uh on board at this point. There are various reasons for that. One of them is just our resources and spreading ourselves a little too thin on some things. Um and so an outcome of that is we originally envisioned a let date. So that is when we would award construction to a to a contractor. We originally envisioned that in January of 27. We are backing that up. Uh for Mindot, our fiscal year runs July to June. So this puts it into our fiscal year 28. Doesn't mean much from your side because it's still going to be in that 27, but it gives us more space. And so when we look at that preliminary and final design process of, you know, roughly two years now that we back that up to August, we still have that full time. We're not shortch changing the process. We're still going to go through everything we need. We're just basically reclaiming some of the time we lost. Uh and we're still going to have that construction. Uh started in 27 and then we always kind of envisioned it as a two-year process, particularly as we maintain access and work with businesses and everything. So may just be a little lighter 27 with the heavy stuff coming in 28. But that's where we're at right now by shifting that letting date for us and again making sure we can go through that full process. All right. So getting into next steps and some things that we're looking at as part of this uh refining the project limits. So the whole vision went through Hastings 4th to 36th. Uh we're still going to get there, but what we are proposing for our 2728 project is going from fourth to highway 316. And this is kind of a natural break point, separation of the two highways, you get traffic that splits off, uh less going down 61. So by by putting a dividing line in there, um we can better accomplish what we want in the vision. And we already had a another project on 61 from 36 going down the L to the south junction of 316. So we're just kind of adjusting those limits a little bit which again allows us to keep going towards that vision and by putting that south end and the 29 project it is going to be kind of a continuation but um it does put a little bit more on mind. So, we're going to save you a little bit of money by doing that that way as well. So, good for the city. Uh, and then like I said, when when we have that break point, um, depending on how we construct it, you know, we'll we'll move through and, uh, there will be that impact in 29 at the south end, but because it is the split there, it should be less impactful for businesses and the residents in the area. All right. The second thing we're looking at is project delivery. And this is just a method of how we bring it forward. So typically we have what we called the design bid build. So we design the project, we put it out, contractors bid on it, and then we move forward and build it. An alternative way to do this, and what we're looking at is it's called construction manager general contractor. So, CMGC and what this means is during the design process we bring a contractor on board with us and the benefits of that or they can help us look at how we build it. So, for example, we know we need to do utilities in here. Uh we may not have a preference as to which way the water man is it, you know, on the east side or west side. We may not have a preference. contractor may come in and say, you know, if you put it on this side, that will help me construct it because I can sequence some things this way. And so that becomes a benefit to the project of getting their insight as to how they're building it. Uh they can look specifically when we're talking about business access, you know, okay, how are we going to maintain it to this particular business that can help us with that. They come up with their own estimates that can check on what we have. So there are a lot of benefits to bringing them in and it can help us on the back end because we know they're going to build it. So we bring that contractor in, they are able to bid on it first. We develop the package, they bid on it and assuming it's within what we want, they would then go ahead and build it. So it's less open in terms of uh getting that contractor on board, but because we have them through the design, we gain that experience. Uh we are looking at this. We haven't fully made this decision yet. That'll come probably in the next month and uh we have to weigh the benefits that could be gained against the cost. There is a cost in terms of our consultant who's designing it. There's additional coordination uh making sure they're working well together. And then with the contractor as well, there's their time. So just kind of a costbenefit analysis we need to run through, make sure that we're make sure we can fully gain the benefits out of this. uh if we put them in the project. All right, continuing to pursue funding opportunities. Like I mentioned, the safe streets for all. That's the one we're eyeing right now, making sure we get that application. We'll be working with staff on that one. Uh state bonding request, I know that's been something the city's been looking at. You have a lot of other priorities. This is not at the top, but it is something that we could look at as well to fill that gap. our design RFP. Uh we did put that out originally and we pulled that back. Uh when we got some feedback from some of the consultants, we realized we needed to tighten it up. We didn't have as good an RFP as we thought. Uh RFP is request for proposal to bring our consultants on board. Uh and with that, that also gave us the opportunity to look at some of these other things. So now we're we're getting that ready. We'll have that ready on the metro side in the next couple weeks. And then it'll take a little bit more for our central office to actually get that out so consultants can bid on it. So, you know, roughly depending on how fast they can move, you know, maybe six weeks or so, uh, that we would have that design RFP out and then be able to bring the consultant on board. Assuming we move forward with the CMGC, that would follow a few months later. uh they don't uh contractor does not need to be on board immediately. They can lag a little bit. So um there's space for that uh design consultant to start their process, get into it. Depending on who it is, they may have to learn a little bit more about the history and then we get the contractor on for that second process. And then the last bullet I have on here uh phrased it as official re-engagement by fall. So, uh, this is what I'm envisioning when we're going out back to the public. We may have, uh, open houses, but we need to really regain that momentum, let everybody know where we're at, provide that schedule. We can even start to have some of those conversations. Again, not that we'd have the answers, but pointing out, you know, hey, here's some ideas we're thinking about how we're going to build this and start getting that feedback from the public. what do you think? How's this going? Give us some insight into what may or may not be the pain points. Um, that sort of thing. So, um, and then also working with staff, working with the school district or other agencies that need to be talked to as well. So, I'm really envisioning by fall we'll be having those conversations again, picking up that momentum and re-engaging. What I don't have on here is uh you know during the summer as we're bringing our consultant on board want to continue some of the conversations we've started for the traffic control and one idea that I was talking with Ryan about this morning is uh getting a group together to go talk with some other cities. Uh one I mentioned is the city of Chaza. We rebuilt Highway 41 through their town downtown area. So small group, we could go with staff, we could go talk to them. What lessons do they have for us? What things should we be looking out for? What did they wish they would have done that maybe we could get in on the front end of this? So I I think there's a lot that we could probably learn there and then make sure that we're trying to incorporate those best practices as as we move forward on this one. And I think yep, that's what I have right now. So, thank you again and yeah, questions. I'm happy to talk about anything on these slides or any other questions you have. Thank you, Bryant. Council, any discussion? I I do love the idea of us being able to go tour another city and and hear what they would have done differently. I mean, I would really I personally think would be a good um place for us to start so we can kind of they can kind of help us wrap our head around what we're going to go through. Yes. Um, for sure. And just for clarification, you said, is that this fall that you're going to start? Yep. Okay. Okay. Thank you. We look forward to working the working it with you. All right. Thank you. Well, great. Thank you very much again. Appreciate it. You're welcome. Um, tonight we also have a presentation for on housing needs and the Bowen National Research. We have Bowen National Research to present to uh the Hastings portion of the Dakota County Housing Study. And John, you see you at the podium. Thank you, Mayor, City Council members. I won't be here for long. I got people who have much more important things to say than I do tonight. Uh I'm going to introduce in a moment here Lisa Alson with Dakota County CDA. Dakota County CDA was instrumental in funding the project and for this special portion related to Hastings Housing Statistics. And then we've got Patrick Bowen who will be presenting the consultant on Zoom. So Lisa, all yours. Thank you. Good evening, mayor, council members. Just want to say thank you for your time and we're excited. the Dakota County Community Development Agency or the CDA. We try to do a housing study and h find a consultant about every five years because we know things are shifting very quickly in the housing realm. The last one we did was with data from 2019. We all know things look a whole lot different than they did in 2019. So, we went out last year to look for a consultant and we found Bowen National Research. They are out of Ohio. They have, this is the first time we've worked with Bowen and they have been just great to work with and really have found some really wonderful data for us in all the cities. We not only have paid for a countywide study, but we also requested as a part of it that every the 11 large cities in Dakota County get their own portion. So in our I think it's about 300 page housing study, there is about a 30-page section for each city. And so that's for you and your reference. Developers love to see that data. They want to see what the demand is, the demographic. So excited to bring that to you tonight. Um, and just want to share that even though Patrick is in Ohio, they've done more than a hundred housing studies across the country. So they have been working with large and small communities. So we thought that was really great um for us. But also I just want to let you know that they've also done 180 180 market studies in um Minnesota and eight here in Dakota in Dakota County. So, they have a lot of knowledge about us before we got started. But with that, Patrick, I would just like to um turn it over to Patrick. So, thank you. Thanks, Lisa. All right. Well, good evening everyone. Um PowerPoint up here. Somebody let me know. I'm talking about volume. Okay. Thanks. No, not yet, Patrick. It's up on my screen. Okay. I think I I think our we're working on it from our end and uh and it's not nothing there. Dan, all I can do is allow him to share. Okay. So, you you've allowed uh Patrick to share at this point and and for some reason Okay, I think it's coming. All right, we got it, Patrick. Thank you. That was my jump. Lisa did a great job introducing us and the background to the study. So, I'll let you know. They have a schedule to do individual presentations whether online or in person for I think 10 of the communities. So, you're the second. We did Rosemont I think a week ago or two weeks ago and so um cover what we found here entire county but certainly hies and how you all fit in. All right. So this study um included those 11 municipalities that are on the map and seeing part of that. There was a lot of demographic economic information put in the study. Obviously, since this is a housing needs assessment, we look at a lot of different housing inventory that you don't have, whether it's rental, for sale, or senior care facilities like nursing homes and things like that. And then you'll see at the end where we we quantify the gaps, meaning how many units are needed to solve your housing issues. There's a variety of types of housing issues that drive need for additional housing. We do that rental and we have different affordability associated with that looks like. for itself and then um we had some broad recommendations for housing strategies earlier towards the county. We didn't come up with individual strategies for the municipalities but nonetheless some of those broader county recommendations can certainly be adopted by the municipalities. So the study has a lot of good population and household data. I'm going to focus in just on a handful of the household data especially as households drive housing demand. And so one of the first most basic things to look at is household growth. You all know this. We've been growing since 2010 and grows quite significantly. Probably the biggest takeaway is the growth that's expected from 2024 to 2029 is expected to add about 5700 households. So just to tread water just to kind of be where you're at now. You do need a lot of additional units. But you don't want to just tread water because housing challenges and shortages. So you will need more units. that but nonetheless very positive growth it's going to drive housing need this table here showing you the individual municipalities and the county members and state at the bottom total households four different points in time on the right hand side all the green numbers positive numbers for household changes between those points in time I mark the very far right side needs to be expected to 32 households over that 5 year projection period which will be the fourth most among all the municipalities. So obviously you you all are growing as just about every municipality is in the county. Another thing that we wanted to look at was the change in households by age. So this is a graph 2024 to 2029 households by age groups. You can see different age groups. youngest on the left hand side, oldest on the right hand side and those royal blue numbers call that royal blue. The lighter blue is Hastings compared to the gray which would be the county as a whole and then Minnesota dark blue. So you can see what the growth areas are for different age groups that 45 to 54 age group anything 65. So you got these two kind of waves going through the county but also through itself. So you think about kind of housing is going to be needed. Certainly a product that serves both families like more established families and senior population or senior household. Another one that we look at was critical that lot is the ones I thought most critical. So this is household by meaning and then households at the bottom. We did it by income level changes 20249 would be in that lighter blue color. So you can see on the top there's all your growth from expected over this 5year projection period. This is household that make $50,000 or more a year with a significant amount that grows that make $100,000 or more a year. Think about future rental product higher price product and what that declines among those lower income households does not mean you do not need more affordable attainable workforce housing. You do I'll show you what that market looks like here in a second in terms of just growth is that moderate to higher income ren households. Then the bottom graph is owner households. There's a lot of perspective over this time period in Hastings households that make over $100,000. All right. So, uh this is wages by occasions in your area. This is countywide numbers. This would not be limited to just these things. And so these are the most common occupations. What we did was we show the typical wages whether it's the lower quartile the bottom four or the median midpoint and then we show the what they can afford to rent or buy. So I just highlighted the very first one just to kind of give you an example. Retail saleserson where they make about $30,000 up to about $35,000 a year typically and then they rent 768 at that lower level 878 at the median. How about home ownership? 102,000 lower 7,000 for you look at the very top left kind of highlighted in the lighter blue box fair market rent for your area being with the government the same typical twobedroom worth is about $1,600. So you can see a lot of these workers can't afford to rent unless they had another wage earner had another job. So you can see rentorship is is a challenge for folks but home ownership is much further outreach. As you can see on the top right hand side median list price what we found in terms of what was available to purchase is $395,000. So you have to triple in some cases maybe quadruple those wages of the workers before they could be able to afford to home ownership. So anything you see in red basically saying that is not for those workers housing is not reasonably affordable to them. And then the second table is the continuation of the first part. And now you see a little bit more black in terms of the median rents. So anybody of any of these workers have med incomes at these different occupation levels. A lot of them can't afford the rent. The home ownership still far out of reach for a lot of these folks. The reason I put that in by the way just so that a lot of time there's a disconnect between what people understand the workforce needs and what they can afford. So I want to simply illustrate rentals and home ownership really tough for the bulk of the workforce. Again these aren't occupations we just randomly pick. These are the ones that make up the bulk of the workforce and certainly this is a challenge for them. All right so I want to get into quality housing. This is substandard housing by subm markets. You can see Hastings in the light yellow and a handful of things that we looked at. The biggest things is either it's overcrowded housing. Well, believe it or not, in our country, including Hastings, you have units that lack facilities. Number facility, but nonetheless, you have about 160 units that will be classified as substandard. So again, as a community, you start to think about the future of housing and housing programs, policies, priorities you want to have. There's certainly home repair programs or things like that that you might might want to consider. Um, or just making the quality just the housing stock something and this is affordability. So, this is basically cost burden households, severe cost burden households. I put bottom right hand side with those R. So anybody that pays third of their income sorry 30% of their income towards housing will be cost burden federal engine or the bottom right far right side anybody sever those people over half so that's why the shares are a little smaller but nonetheless kind of about 2200 households that are housing cost burden and the more they pay towards their housing cost is the less that they can put towards um local retailers or restaurants and places like that. And so this certainly limits disposable income for a lot of these households and ratio by the way just in terms of what shares households are either renter covered offered very in line with the kind of overall they're not excessively high as some of the other ones I kind of highlighted in those orange boxes bright yellow but nonetheless 2200 households that are strugg as well as those substandard housing all that factory when we came up with our estimates for housing. All right. So, we did our survey of rentals. This is your rental housing stock county overall. 229 property survey overall occupancy rate 95.7%. So, where do you want to be? You want to be around 94 to 96% of occupancy rate or 4 to 6%. whichever way you look at itself is probably where it needs to be. Um all the growth that you have mentioned on the first slides you do obviously need additional housing and housing gets more limited kind of go down the table listed out the different types of housing market rate tax credits for properties that operate under some of those. So any subsidize tax credit affordable attainable workforce housing for senior housing there's not a lot of that I'll show you what's happening in these things other municipalities compared to the other areas we survey 17 properties mult or visited properties talked to the staff collected information so here's one of the probably maybe more surprising findings of study that is your overall vacancy rate on the left 9.6% about four or 6% vacancy where you need to be the reason I look again this morning to double check this you have a couple properties that when we surveyed in late last year or fall last year may have just opened open a few months earlier so they weren't initially subst had opened prior to 2024. I believe every So again, you all are talking to developers and talking about opportunities, you make this clear in the report, but if you're having a conversation with anybody, they see that vacancy rate. Let's make sure that they understand, look, we just have properties open. I suspect if I call them today, but if I call them today, I suspect those properties are nearly full at this point. So that makes lower. The only other thing I want to point out was those tax credits and government subsid much much lower tax credit nothing subsidiary apartments. These were the market rate apartments. You have some of the lower rents at least for the one and two bedrooms that we surveyed compared to the other areas. These are people who have more affordable rental housing to some of the other parts of the county. The other survey was what we call unconventional rental. So it's anything that's not an apartment. So mobile home, new bus house, anything like that unconventional rental about 900 over 900 in the city of Hastings. Our staff is really good at what they do. They a lot of phone calls, a lot of online research. We have four of those available. 98. So your maint 410 of a percent about four or 6%. So you have extremely limited options outside of these those family markets I showed you a moment ago. But your rest of these are a little bit more affordable than your counterparts in some of the other municipalities. None of us just don't have much available for these rentals. sales side. This is on the left hand side. The graph is what's happening in the county. So you can see the number of sales are shown in the blue bars. Your sales dropped down a little bit in 2022 and 2023. That's when home interest rates kind of so slow down home sales activity. They even level off the county's numbers sales price shown in the green line and the red numbers. Check out all means it's up and slow down a little bit in 2022 and 2023. The number of homes sold, the reunion price just declining and climbing despite the fact that home mortgage interest rates declined and they're still at a pretty high level relative to 2021 or earlier. So homes continue to decline. That's a good sign for developers and investors of housing, but for residents that are trying to get into the home ownership markets, obviously continues to be a challenge for a lot of them. So, what's available? Um, this is county buy numbers first. 579 homes that we found available when we certainly pull all this data and when we compare that to all the home ownership in the county, factor the vacancy or availability rate of half a percent for this market statement, you want ownership for sale market that have about 2 or 3% vacancy rate. You can see countywide is well below where it needs to be. Where are those homes in terms of price point? That's what that bar graph is showing you what homes are available to purchase. Lowest price on the left, higher price on the right. So there are most well over $300,000. The product that I think many people might consider first time home ownership homes are $200,000. You only have 51 of countywide representing less than 10%. Most markets that we study see some perspective scale that's usually about 15% maybe 20% might vary by market incomes in that market but nonetheless you have a really low share of homes available to what we would consider first time home buyers and then this shows you what's available by the price point each one of the markets so there's hastings in the bright yellow and you can see you didn't have very many had homes available. Twoird of those homes were priced over $300,000. So you're looking available at each of these price points in line with the overall county. Nonetheless, the same story applies here. You only have one house available $200,000. So all inventory period, of course, it's more affordable to lower modern incomes. You just don't have very much choose. And then this table still compare available for sale housing. These things in the light yellow box probably two key metrics here. One is availability rate meaning the 17 homes divided by all home ownership in the market in Hastings. He went after the 310 of a percent availability rate. Again, you wanted to be two or 3%. So you can see you are one of the lowest ones relative to these other municipalities in terms of what you have available. And then I average days on the market for 29 days. Anything under 90 is fast. Anything under 60 is is extremely fast. Anything under a third is light fast. And that is that is really rapid sales short period of time staying in the market. That's just also reflective of high demand for sale housing product. Even though some of the product you have some we have these other communities 1976 year. All right. So, as I close this out towards the end here, these are the housing gaps. So, the county has a medical housing gap of 8,300 units. All the stuff that goes into this, but I explain if anybody wants to take through that, but um the gaps are then shown by each one of the municipalities has a 42 housing gap and that's you want to solve all your housing issues and meet up with growth, things like that. the lower ones in the municipalities. This might be a little bit hard to follow, but if you see at the top, I broke out these the table part first, the different affordability levels, the percent income just ties to the different housing programs, which may be relevant to to you all, but I put the corresponding income that goes with those and then rent persons that make certain incomes they see the different shades of colors for Hastings. Most of your demand for rental many areas The greatest rental product households that make about 74,000 to $99,000 a year followed by those that make about 99,000 to $142,000 a year across the whole. And then this is the same thing, but now for the forale market has a 20,000 unit. Now you can see you have a bigger gap here relative to your rental units. You have a house of about several thousand units near the middle and then you can see here those gaps by affordability level. Now it's a little bit different picture about half of your gap is for that product about 99,000 to 142 or a home price about 33146 $100,000. So again differentility levels big gaps for that market and as I said before we have the gaps um I'm sorry the housing strategies broken out here these are really the county as a whole but a lot of stuff again could be applied to Hastings and other municipalities building capacity essentially saying who's in charge who's housing champion who's going to experiment these efforts Dakota County CDA obviously is addressing housing issues or priorities serving as a county champion and certainly to help municipality but I think municipalities too need to have somebody exper Council members, a lot of the data in here to set the goals for medical product, for sale product standard numbers for quality housing. So we get some understanding of how much do we have to address in terms of rehabilitation of existing housing stock versus supporting new development collaboration. That's, you know, that's really a common sense thing, but obviously working with CDA and other municipalities and other stakeholders and developers as well um is a vital part to any kind of efforts to move forward. We can study regulatory considerations can do that, but there's a lot of obviously policies that can be done incentives that are out there. I can give you examples of that. I can provide links to the websites with case studies and other communities have done around the country. There are other things you can do to incentivize and support development or preservation of existing housing stock the last few years supporting senior housing. You saw your senior growth numbers support workforce housing you see the shortage of affordable housing whether it was the rental side they didn't have in here by the way was weight list there's roughly I think county say about 7,000 households waiting to get into the affordable attainable workforce housing senior housing so that type of housing a lot of education outreach that can be done to the public this is part of that will continue as I do these presentations other communities around the county but certainly educating the public and promoting you know the housing needs a lot of ways to do that and development partnerships and that's not part of this study but there's ways to identify different groups and players out there that would contribute development partners in this including I will stress to a lot of that you know if you haven't had have conversations with employers because they can be the solution they certainly contribute to jobs contribute housing demand certainly bring employers to the table and then a lot of great things that I've seen communities do in terms of promoting marketing their opportunities for residential development that's my contact information so I'll be glad to answer any questions I have great thank you council any questions we have a question or a comment from our city administrator Dan Waticha. Question for may maybe Patrick but probably for Tony or Lisa. John, please chime in. But rather than just the the broad list of housing strategies, are there any more specific things that you guys might identify appropriate for Hastings or at least putting on the table to begin some discussion? I'm not sure if uh Tony at least want to chime in on this one, but you know, the interesting thing about the survey here was the different income affordability and the housing units in there that really caught my eye is when we're looking at developers and we could translate in the need to homes within x amount of price range that we could focus on that type of development and the gaps that we need. Uh that that's one thing right now is looking at what people are proposing to build and how it may fit the market in there. Plus, I think this is a great tool for us as staff to share with potential developers that are out there right now so that they have an idea of what the market is as well. And I was just Tony Shler with Dakota County CDA with uh Commissioner Slavic and Lisa. um our board and we're going to have an update tomorrow on the demographic we're currently serving because we are a developer landlord as well as a development goal over the next 10 years. We would like to build directly another thousand units of housing combination of our senior housing and our workforce family town home housing. We have a site we're going to show them tomorrow, the radio tower site in Hastings which we've queued up for that workforce housing. And so I think it's timely that policy makers in our communities see that we're not just pulling this out of thin air. This is the latest snapshot of the data we have. You know, data is not perfect, but it's pretty this was a really good study, really good granular um analysis by city. And so as we talk about collaborating county, CDA, cities to try and find places where we can succeed and that is community support on the land use and permitting side, financial support from the CDA. We know we have the customer need and so my challenge and Lisa's challenge for the next 10 years is teeing up those opportunities and so we can move to where there's acceptance and encouragement and where folks are still struggling over the land use or something that's fine. We'll come back to them later. So this is really a collaborative effort. I think Lisa and the community development directors were trying to get signals from the cities. Hey we really want you to focus on this site. it's in transition if it's a built part of the community. Lakeville has asked us to look at a looks like Metro Transit may be abandoning a transit site. So, we're going to tell the board tomorrow that's a prospect. Should we pursue that? The city's asked us to pursue it. So, it's nuanced in layers, but I think the good news is I think we're confirming that there's a need out there to try and help people with that housing cost and we'll bring the resources uh to help um on the capital stack and rent assistance. I do think and Commissioner Slavics talked about this. I think our employers and and and this was something we heard from the study. The more we can connect employment and employers with our opportunities, the quicker we'll fill those units um and close the gap there. And I do think that's something that we've been seeing uh is more conversation with, hey, I'm trying to move this guy down here. He's got two kids. He wants to live closer to the job. Hey, we have some places over here for him. So, I think that really is an important conversation to continue. Thank you, Tony. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Patrick. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Council, is there are there any corrections from the workshop and the meeting from April 7th? Okay, comments from the audience. At this time, we would hear comments from the audience. If you're wanting to speak to the council, please step to the podium, state your name and your address, and hello. Uh, my name is Graham Johnson. I'm a reporter with the Hastings Journal and my address is 2838 Fremont Avenue South in Minneapolis. Um, so I wanted to come before you all find folk in the watching public to talk about the Hastings Journal's new community calendar we're unveiling. Um, it's been out for a couple of weeks. Um, and the idea is that it's kind of a comprehensive calendar for, you know, all that is happening in the community. So, city events, county events, schoolboard events, anything from chamber of commerce, historical society, just things that are going on all the way down to board game night at Level Up, which is five o'clock on Wednesdays. Um, and so in addition to all of that, which is on our website, uh, there's a snapshot on the top of page three in print editions, uh, with about 10 days of those same events. And then there's one on page 10 that is all the Raider sports happening at the high school level. Um, but the reason I wanted to come up here more than kind of any of that is that the idea is this is a community calendar. you can submit events on our website and we would love for this to be, you know, have more ownership in the community that is not us providing a tool but stewarding something that is useful. Um, so yeah, you can email me gsonhastingsjournal.news or submit it on our website if you want to have something submitted. We've already had some of that, but I wanted to uh get the word out in this way. So, thank you for letting me do that. Graham, thank you. and also thank you for being everywhere and doing such a good job for our community and getting the word out all the good news. Thank you. Thank you. Council members, any items to be considered. I would like to accept a motion for the first reading of the fee schedule ordinance related to the water rates. Council member House and Council Member Lawrence. All those in favor of the motion state by saying I. I. I. Opposed to that motion state by saying nay. Thank you. And that will be added. Consent agenda. Council. I would accept a motion to approve the consent agenda. Council member Pimple. Council member Verichoff. Any discussion? Council. All those in favor of the motion state by saying I. I. Opposed to that motion. State by saying nay. And that motion prevails. Tonight under awarding awarding of contracts and public hearings, we have a resolution receiving bids and awarding contract for the 2025 neighborhood infrastructure improvement. And for this item, we have an introduction by our city engineer, Cody Mat. Welcome, Cody. Thank you, mayor. Good evening, mayor and council. Uh, tonight we are at our final stop before construction for our 2025 neighborhood infrastructure improvements. Uh so looking for uh a resolution to award the contract for that project. We received seven very competitive bids on this project. So we're excited about that. Uh as shown above, the lowest base bid was received from Icon LLC and the next lowest bid from Northwest Asphalt. Uh those bids were within about $14,000 of one another. Uh and either one would have put the contract about 13% below our engineers estimate. Uh, if you guys remember, we added a block to this project when we were in our earlier meetings. These good bids allow us to add that block and actually get the project done within the original budget, right? So, that's that's some great news for us on getting those competitive bids. Uh, something that some of you uh are maybe familiar with on this uh on our neighborhood reconstruct project, but a quick refresher maybe for those of you who haven't heard before, we're allowed as a city to do one best value contract per year. that's not just a project that has to be low bidder only considering cost. Uh so this contract methodology allows us to consider uh more things namely the contractor's uh quality of work references from recent projects that they've done. Uh so all biders on this project have to submit a questionnaire allows us to review recent projects they've done and a contractor to be considered qualified for this you know highly impactful project has to score a minimum of 10 points. Icon LLC. The low bidder that you see there was ultimately deemed uh not qualified after we performed those reference checks. Uh namely looking into that um work being completed to the satisfaction of the owners that we contacted. So after we completed the the checks on Icon which came back at a five point uh five point score uh we moved on to Northwest Asphalt Inc. uh their scoring came back very favorable. Score of 16 points, essentially the maximum available, really well um uh rated by the the cities that they've worked for recently. So, with all that being said, staff is recommending that the city council move forward adopting the attached resolution awarding the contract to Northwest Asphalt, Inc. in the total amount of 3,13,992. I'll stand for any questions. Thank you, Cody. Council, any questions? Council member House. Thank you, Cody. I appreciate your guys' due diligence on this. Um, really looking into the structure of this really, really hard. Um, I heard you said we're only allowed this once. Is that correct? I That's correct. Yes. So, the the way the state statute reads, it's I believe it's one one project or 20% of the total value. It gets a little bit more complicated than that, but essentially just consider one project that we are allowed to basically go outside of that low bid only structure where all you can really consider is the cost bid and then they still have to meet, you know, some minimum qualifications with that, but it's a lot harder. Um, whereas this best value allows us to again take into account and actually score other things. So, if you can't produce a a good reference, uh, that can work against you. Thank you. And is there something um that uh is this quality this uh lower quality uh rate common would you say throughout our other projects in the past as well with this contractor specifically or just in general? I would say I would say the what the what the best value statute looks to do is um I guess one of the struggles of low bid contracting, right, is you're not always ensuring that it is the the best value, right? if you were to get work done at your home, you may not select the the lowest bid that you get to do something, right? There's other factors you might consider. So, I'd say very similar to to that parallel, right? Um, we do see it in the industry that sometimes low biders um, you know, can have a lower quality, but not always. For the most part, this system works and and bigger contracts like this, uh, usually you have to be a fairly substantive operation to do a $3 million construction project. So, I would say it's it sometimes is a concern, but not it's more or less common. Thank you. It's pretty rare to score that to score this low. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, we I should I should say this. The city has had this system in place for approximately 20 years. Um I believe we have only ever had to disqualify two contractors. So, um sorry about that. So getting specifically at the scoring system. Yes. It's it's rare that we are disqualifying somebody. Thank you. My my main reason is just making sure that if we don't want to have this happen again in the same year, of course. Right. Right. Have the same issue. So thank you. Thank you, Council Member House. Any other discussion? Council Cody. Thank you. Uh with that council, I would accept a motion to adopt the resolution receiving bids and awarding contracts for project 2025-1. the 2025 neighborhood infrastructure improvements. Council member Pembo, second by council member House. Any other discussion? Councel. All those in favor of the motion state by saying I. I. I. Opposed to that motion state by saying nay. And that motion prevails. Thank you, Cody. Tonight under public works, we have the people movement plan. And for this item, we have an introduction by public public works director Ryan Stempsky. Ryan, welcome. And let's hear the good news on the people movement plan. Wow. Team me up for success there, mayor. Okay. Uh, mayor, members of council, yeah, kind of a good transition item from what we heard earlier, an update on trunk highway 61. Still in that funding phase, right? We're still trying to um maximize federal and state grants that are available. Um this specific agenda item is was also referenced in the mind pre presentation. It was the safe streets for all um uh grant program. We did apply as the city um back in last year for the safe streets for all implementation grant. That was about eight $8.2 million grant application. uh we scored pretty well in the higher groupings but we didn't score high enough to get the implementation grant rather we did receive a planning grant. Um the planning grant was specific for updating an action plan. So an action plan needs to be completed within um these implementation grants um in order to score your highest points. And so, um, we did have a a review with FHWA, the federal government, on how could we score better, you know, why didn't we get the implementation grant? And, and in that debrief, as they call it, we um learned that uh, our action plan had some updates that were needed to it. And so, the plan that we were submitting for our action plan was the people movement plan. And so, that was a plan. It needed updated. It needed some resolutions. and needed some elements within there that needed to be more current and things of that nature. And so, uh, to to check the box on a complete and and fulfilling action plan, uh, those were an area where where we were we were deficient and and we needed to um update plans accordingly. So, we did a we did have the we said yes to the planning grant and we got about $44,000 to do that grant and then the federal uh funding pause happened as we've all heard about. And so that was one of the one of the earlier ones that affected the city right out of the gates um uh where we couldn't go obtain that funding to update the action plan to make our next application strong for the safe streets for all. So, um, with the pause, we're kind of at this moment where the notice of funding for this next safe streets for all implementation grant came out, uh, just recently here, and it's due at by the end of June. So, very short turnaround. It's typically, um, this notice has been due more towards the end of the summer. So, we thought we had time. Well, um, that's not the case. It's it's actually due June 26th. So with that information, we don't have the planning funds that we were anticipating had received. Um we need to decide to act one way or another. And so that's what's in your packet. Um is kind of some options there um to to act and move forward. Meanwhile, we did get uh bids or we solicited proposals from both HR Green who completed our trunk highway 61 study and HKGI who did the original people movement plan thinking they would be the most efficient to get this work done. And and so with those two proposals, uh what we recommended to move forward with was a proposal to HKG HKGI for about $21,000. um so they could complete the work on a more streamlined path to get the items just required in the safe streets for all implementation grant program completed so that we could submit and check that box when we apply for the federal funding. The problem is without having the planning grant in hand, this cost would have to come at city expense. And so that's why we're here in front of council tonight to talk about uh staff's recommendation is to actually move forward with city funds to complete that work for 21,000 to score as maximum take the feedback we got score as maximum as possible on the next implementation grant due June 26. So that's our recommendation. Or uh rather the council could look at uh just submitting for this second round without completing the work knowing that those points would be left on the table for the action plan or decide not to submit at all knowing the uncertainty of federal funding going on right now. So those are the options council has before it. Um our recommendation as staff is to proceed with completing the work at the city cost to update the action plan or the people movement plan and and going after full points for the um safe streets for all imple implementation grant. So thank you Ryan. That's what I have. Stand for any questions. Thank you Ryan. Council, any discussion? Council member Lawrence. So that money that you're talking about that was um awarded to us and he says on pause, is it I suppose we don't even have the answer. I can't answer it myself in my head, but um if it gets unpaused and we move forward with our money, are we able to recoup that back to pay for it or is it just kind of once we pay for it, even if they give it to us, we're not going to be able to use it? Council Council Member Lawrence, that's a great question. Um no is we need to have a signed grant agreement with FHWA before proceeding with any reimbursement dollars. So if we move forward with the project that th those dollars are not reimburseable at any time. Thank you. Thank you. Council member Lawrence member Verich. I might be overthinking this. Thank you your honor. So Ryan would how do I say this? So if if council did support this recommendation tonight to go forward with this, is there a chance that this exact scenario happens again? So like once that you once you say yes to this point, right? Could it happen like two or three years and then we have to invest the exact same thing in the in the research and the project again? Once you check the box, is the box always checked or do you have to keep doing things to update checking the box? the imple. So the IIGJ money, so the federal money we're going after for the safe streets for all program has another round or maybe two and then that's it. There'd have to be a new law in Congress um a new act um for infrastructure dollars and funding. So we're at the tail end of of the of the of the IIGJ work. Um and so therefore with having a submitt or two remaining the updates that would be included in this plan would cover this round or the next um that we anticipate of of the safe streets for all funding. So it'd be recent enough to be able to check that box um on this and a sub subsequent application. Thank you. Council member Veroff Dan I wish Mr. FC was still here. Uh Ryan, can you explain why the city is pursuing this instead of Mindot? It's their highway. Yes. Um the federal funding applications are required to come from the local unit of government. So MDOT cannot apply for this grant application. Um it is Mindot's road trunk highway 61. it's their jurisdiction, but uh the application has to come from the city and um Midnot just feeds in some technical data and support from that standpoint, but the application does need to come from the locals. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Dan. Ryan, people movement plan is a big project for our city. We've been working on it for years, right? And it continues to be worked on. Is there a percentage that you can say of it that is take 61 out of it that is completed? I mean is that an easy way to am I asking a um I think the question Yeah. I mean we use the people movement plan for guidance on projects across the city, right? and and the some of the requirements are just looking at some of the safe streets for all incentives and and applying it across the city system as a whole, not just focused on 61. So, it's it's it's going through the criteria of the safe streets for all and applying that to the entirety of the plan. Um, with obviously a focus and effort of what's been updated and the goals of trunk highway 61 added to it. So, it's kind of a combination. Um, and if the latter part of your question, we use it as guidance to make decisions. And I I don't think we have the percentage of what's completed in there and what's not. I don't think we've done that analysis, but this this update would include any improvements like for example, the sidewalk system put down 316. That would be put in there as complete, right? And so we would at the end of this project we would have a a mathematical calculation of what's what's been completed on our people movement plan for sure. So is it easy to say to w with every like neighborhood project you look at it and make the adjustments to it? Absolutely. Absolutely. with with the uh caveat that sometimes those connections it's just not the right time, right, or the right location or we research other routes that might be sufficient and so not every piece of that plan is implemented or implementable. Um we use it as a guide, a planning guide and document. Okay. Thank you. And and one thing I did fail to mention is this is being teed up for an action plan to check the box for the federal funding for the safe streets for all program. It's a mouthful, but we would also use this updated plan as we talked about if other opportunities came up. So, it's still it's something if there's future federal funding opportunities, if there's uh safe routes to school opportunities, it's it's and you got to look at the lens through the federal government, right? Like we the city engineer and myself, we use it for making decisions on the bike and ped network across the city. And so, we kind of use it and and implement elements or or use it for a discussion point and get feedback. Um, but in order to be successful in these federal application or these grant applications, they're looking for very specific criteria and if you got to have it that way, you got to have it that way or you're not able to get those points towards that score application in these very competitive processes. So, just know that it would also be usable in a couple other things if those um opportunities were something for the city in the future. Sure. Thank you, Council Member Rebecc. Just to clarify, and maybe I maybe you explained it and it went over my head. To Dan's point, the 21,000 that we're talking about is specifically for the grant, which is why Mandot can't pay for it. Or is it just simply to update the people movement plan? The the 21,000 is just to uple Sorry, just to update the people movement plan. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Beck. All right, council. I would accept a motion then to authorize uh the contract with HKGI to update the people movement plan. Council member Verichoff. Council member House seconds. Any discussion? Council. All those in favor of the motion state by saying I. I. Opposed to that motion state by saying nay. Nay. The motion still prevails. Oh, was it is that what I heard? I did not hear that. Okay. Thank you. Oh, okay. Sorry. Um next we have um on the agenda under administration we have the strategic plan the first quarter report for this item we have an introduction by the city administrator Dan Waticha. Thank you mayor councel. This is informational uh and normally we would have it under the consent agenda. Uh wanted to just make sure that we're transparent providing uh regular updates. But this particular one I I wanted to hold back and have a chance for a couple of comments. When we adopted this a couple of years ago, uh it was intended to uh set some priorities uh for the years 2024 to 2027. and we're roughly halfway into that that time frame. Uh and as I look at it, there's a number of items uh that are listed as 100% complete. We we did our alternative revenue analysis. We uh looked at an asset management funding strategy. Uh developed an organizational training plan. Um one of the items on here actually supposed to be next year project 2026 is do a housing study. maybe that's already done for us. Uh but recognizing a number of the items are complete. Uh there's a couple of them that are probably at a position that we're um uh evolving into the next phase. Uh one of the goals said plan for development of block 28 and that's about done and I assume we want to move forward with actually developing block 28. Uh so items completed, items moving into a next phase. Uh and there's a few items um uh such as at our retreat a couple of weeks ago, we talked about the community engagement uh element in here, but there's a few others um talking about a process improvement program. Let's make sure we're on the same page and get some clarification on that. Uh but um just wanted to put it out there. Not not looking for any sort of vote or anything specific tonight. Happy to have feedback though. Is what about a uh meeting later this summer or into the fall? I think it's more than just an hour and a half workshop. Uh but what about sort of a midterm review? Let's go through and if if here's 12 items and half of them are already completed, are there some new ones to cycle into it? Sure, there are a couple that need some clarification so we can move forward, but just a matter of wanting to keep this fresh. So, really just putting that out there. I can take questions on the any of the items that are in there currently in the report or if there were thoughts about moving forward with it. Also, thank you, Dan. Any council discussion? Council member Pemble. I think under the plan, it was always my thought that there should be a time like a review time halfway through the yearly process. And I know we didn't really set that in the whole game of things, but I think especially now with the ongoing issues that are happening around us and to us in this community, we need to be on top of our strategic plan. And I would wholly support a six-month whatever time frame that fits for everybody for a a Saturday workshop to review the uh strategic plan. Thank you, Council Member Pamela. Council member House, I just want to echo agreed completely with Council Member Premble on that ditto. Thank you, Council Member House. I concur with that. So I think um gives you enough to move forward and uh we look forward to having other conversations. So thank you Dan. Tonight also we have the first reading that we uh submitted at the beginning of the meeting for the ordinance amendment amending chapter 34 of the Hastings City Code pertaining to fees of the municipal services. Tan, you may continue. Thank you, mayor, and thank you for adding this to the agenda tonight. Uh it was my mistake in putting together the agenda in packets that this one, although we had a council workshop on the 7th discussing this topic, when putting the agenda together, it uh slipped through the cracks and um felt it important if if we could to keep it moving forward. Uh as an example, uh if we had first reading tonight and uh predict a second reading and potential adoption of an ordinance next meeting on the 5th, we're already planning on uh holding our next um publication of the next mailed newsletter to all of our residents. It's on hold so we can meet this schedule, give council a chance to act, and here's one more venue to get information out to our our our residents. If we miss tonight, it means we're delaying it two more weeks. So, appreciate being able to move this forward. Um, it's first reading ordinance. Uh, you could make some changes uh when you see it in the next meeting on May 5th. Uh but this comes out of our workshop uh on April 7th. Uh council favored a 10% uh water rate increase effective July 1. Uh this would uh cover our current uh projected gap that we're needing to make sure that we cover in order to be able to move forward with the central water treatment plant. And it also does include some uh cushion for uncertainty. Uh although we have some grant dollars, uh we also have not gone to bid yet. So the the prices could come in different than our estimates. Uh so there's some cushion built into this. Um if it turns out we don't need that cushion. Uh anticipating we're looking at another increase coming up in January. Uh we we could very easily have a slightly smaller increase in January if we we had some extra cushion here that was not needed. So it's not um not trying to over uh burden our residents but recognize that it is expensive. Um also I think that it's worth noting uh just for uh um complete understanding and clarity uh we are looking at significant increases over the next three years. uh we are uh very much active trying to get grants and state bonding dollars and 3M settlement funds and a variety of funding sources to offset that. Uh but that's a long slow process comes in in pieces. Uh and in the meantime the construction schedule continues moving forward. So uh at the moment we are looking at significant increases the next three years. Uh hopefully those increases will be uh less than what they're currently projected at, but uh we are certainly working diligently trying to find additional funding sources. With that, I can take questions on uh the funding overall or specifics to this first reading ordinance, um water rates, all the above. Okay. Thank you, Dan. Any questions, councel? Okay. All those in uh I need a motion first to [Music] um for the first reading of the ordinance of the city of Hastings amending chapter 34 of the Hastings City Code pertaining to the fees for municipal services. Council member House. Council member Lawrence seconds. Any discussion council? All those in favor of the motion state by saying I. I oppose to that motion. State by saying nay. And that motion still prevails with one nay. All right. Council, any uh updates or anything? Any announcements? Council member Lawrence. I just have one question to go back to the the previous vote that we had. Um just looking at it, it says we can still submit the application even without revisions. Is that the process that we're doing just the people movement plan? Yeah. Is that the anticipate that? Yes, we would apply for the uh safe streets and roads for all grant. Um around8.5 million. uh depending on other applications that they might receive, depending on the actual scoring by the reviewers, um we may may be successful at getting those funds for the 61 project. But uh essentially we are leaving points on the table uh by not completing that or by not updating that people movement plan. Okay. But the just to confirm though the it's still going to be submitted. It's just we had a lot of projects and we're looking for a lot of money. Yep. Thank you. Thank you, Council Member Lawrence. Okay, I have a few announcements. Um, celebrate birds and conversation conservation at the Carpenter Nature Center with Hastings Area Earth Day birding festival on Saturday, April 26th. Birds and Bison bike tour. pedal 20 scenic miles along the Mississippi River Greenway on its guided tour to see sandill cranes, bald eagles, and bison on May 3rd. We found out that the hoot nanny is this weekend. So, we want to be able to announce that. And it's a community event, I'll say. And it's music and fun in the downtown area and all the establishments and funding of it or donations of it go to the music department at the schools. Uh Monday, April 28th, 7 p.m. we have a public safety committee meeting. Also on Monday, April 28th, we have a 7 p.m. planning commission meeting. Monday, May 5th, 5:30 PM, a city council workshop and this will be on the hydrop plant and a regular city council meeting at 7 pm. With that, I would ask for a motion to adjourn. Council member Pebble, council member house. No discussion. All those in favor of the motion state by saying I. I posted that motion state by saying nay. And we are ajourned.