um this is the city of invergrove heights engineering office presentation i'm jake moser a staff civil engineer with the city presentation and this live event support is provided by luke morin and emma pickett at kimberly horn and associates they're also providing project design and engineering services for this project this is part of the 2021 pavement management program city project number 2020-09 d delaney circle and delaney court improvements and this is a open house virtual open house presentation i would love to be doing it in person at city hall which is how we've done it in years past but obviously due to the kovid's situation we got to keep everyone safe so we're doing our best to adapt and this is kind of our first go at a virtual open house event so bear with us please but thank you for joining and thank you for your interest in this project this is the project area map the red lines show delaney circle and delaney court are the streets proposed to be improved with the project all the blue properties are the 36 single family lots that are in the project area the total length of street being proposed for improvement here is just over one mile about 5500 feet a little project history is this project was initiated from a neighborhood petition that was dated and received by council in june there was 29 single-family property owners who signed the petition so very strong support for a street improvement project council had ordered the feasibility study which is the first step in september of 2020 and the neighborhood and street was originally built in 1978 some past street maintenance included sealcoats in 1988 1993 and 2000 and there's been miscellaneous patching and maintenance by city maintenance staff since then the existing conditions are a rural section road with no curb and gutter there is a good defined ditch section in the majority of the project area the there's a variable existing pavement with between 22 and 24 feet with a variable eroded gravel shoulder the drainage is provided by the ditches and roadway and driveway cross culverts there are no existing city utilities all the properties are on private wells and septic systems um this product did have a geotechnical investigation with reconstruction recommendations provided from a geotechnical investigation completed by element materials technology in 2019 they did soil borings and pavement cores on delaney circle and delaney corp summarized in this table generally what they found is delaney circle has two and a half to three inches of asphalt pavement surface with seven to twelve inches of existing aggregate base that's built on top of sand and silty sand sub-grade delaney court had a little bit thicker pavement section at five inches and seven to eight inches of aggregate base the geotechnical engineer did note that was a poor quality aggregate base but again subgrade cells are are good with sand and silty sand so the recommendation recommended reconstruction approaches for delaney circle is a full depth pavement reclamation which was what the neighborhood petition had requested specifically that involved using a reclaimed machine which grinds the existing pavement surface in with the aggregate base mixes it to uniform material consistency that gets reshaped and re-graded and then the new payment is paid on top of that delaney court due to the poor quality base had a geotechnical recommendation for full payment and base replacement um these improvements are considered a partial reconstruction i'll touch back on that a little bit more that factors into assessments um but that basically means it's pavement and aggregate base are the only street disturbances proposed with no sub-grade improvements that sand and silty sand is a is a good quality material to build the road on again there may be some softer spots we encounter during construction this last bullet notes sub-grade repairs identified during construction if we encounter softer or wet sub-grade spots those might get excavated and replaced with sand but that would be on a relatively small area so those disturbances are going to be kept to a minimum as much as possible the preliminary proposed street improvements is going to be trying to keep things very similar to the existing street as far as width and and shape it'd be a 12 foot 212 foot lanes for a 24 foot pavement mat with two foot gravel shoulders as i as i mentioned uh the full depth reclamation or fdr involves uh mill or reclaiming the pavement surface in with the gravel base and paving new pavement on top of that so the new street would be new bituminous pavement on reclaimed or new aggregate base with new shouldering and we're going to try to minimize disturbances to the ditch and boulevard as much as possible we know residents are looking for just just a new uh clean street they don't want we're you know we're not gonna put in curb or or gutter or anything like that as part of the full depth reclamation that would uh since we're gonna keep the existing material there and pave on top of it it would involve raising the street profile a little bit and that would would require replacing some driveway aprons that would generally be the first five to ten feet as needed to tie into the new road profile there are no city utilities proposed with this project we know we've heard from several residents and and we are not proposing sewer or water everyone will stay on their private wells and septic systems so we're still in the feasibility report preparation phase we did uh receive quite a few questionnaires from residents if you still have yours it's not too late feel free to send it in send it back to luke and uh but we did get great response i think we had 17 households provide responses to those questionnaires some of the issues that were noted on the questionnaires include some localized ponding in the ditches and along the roadway edge of the roadway where maybe the shoulder settled out or it's just deteriorated and it's you know potholes are causing some localized small ponding a few residents have noted some miscellaneous drainage issues or erosion issues and those are going to be reviewed in the feasibility report with in the stormwater analysis i know we had a couple questionnaires residents have responded requesting for review of turning radiuses at the intersections to make you know for longer vehicles or potentially people with trailers so we're not don't have to drive over lawns um pulling a trailer and some people noted some culvert flow issues the feasibility report will include some stormwater analysis that involves reviewing regional and local storm water conveyance through the ditches um generally along the along the road and some areas in the rear yards we are not proposing any storm water ponds or basins with this project the ravine and ditch erosion issues will be reviewed in the feasibility report and we'll ask city council to determine if if any potential improvements would be included with this project but that we're still reviewing those with this feasibility report and council will make any decisions any final decisions on that um and we're reviewing road driveway and roadway culverts and generally they would be cleaned or replaced based on condition review so if they're rusted out and deteriorated they might require a new culvert and if it's just filled up with sediment or debris they would just potentially be cleaned with this project and again the final improvements will be identified following the completion of the stormwater analysis we're still in this feasibility report very preliminary project review phase at the moment so some the good stuff now the preliminary project costs funding and a city assessment policy the preliminary estimated costs for the roadway improvements is 771 thousand dollars storm water improvements which is generally just currently budgeted for culverts and some ditch work is at 59 000 for a total preliminary estimated project cost of 830 000 and the funding would be through a combination of the city payment management pmp fund and special assessments the city assessment policy for a neighborhood of single-family lots is that all single-family lots will pay the same assessment amount so corner lots don't pay double or generally as long as in a neighborhood like this the lots are considered similar enough property types that we believe the the fairest way is to have every every home in the neighborhood pay the same assessment amount and based on the project reconstruction approach as a partial reconstruction the city assessment policy is to assess 55 percent of the street and stormwater project costs to benefiting property owners so based on 55 of the preliminary project cost being divided amongst the 36 single-family properties in the project area that per policy assessment amount comes out to 12 676 dollars and 74 cents the city will generally always do a hire an independent appraiser to provide a special benefit cap amount and in this case based on that independent appraiser report the maximum benefit that uh any the properties could receive from this project is ninety six hundred dollars so the assessment amount is based on the lower of the cap and the policy amount in this case that would be the capped amount of nine thousand six hundred dollars uh so the special benefit assessment terms there would be an option to pay um the full assessment to the city within 30 days of when that assessment would be levied that would be in the future in the spring i'll touch on schedule later but uh there's certainly an option of the payment plan which would be set a uh a term and interest rate would be set by city council and the interest rate is dependent on the current interest rate that the city can get and staff would generally recommend for this type of project a 10-year term so if you chose to let that assessment be levied to the county it would get it would get put on a 10-year or 10-year would be recommended but if you put on a payment plan that would just be incorporated in with your biannual county tax statement the project schedule is tonight we're having the virtual feasibility report open house and we're looking to get some comments and questions from residents and get resident input and we'll include that in our feasibility report as we're as we're preparing it and we have we're scheduled to complete that feasibility report in december and bring it to council for approval on december 14th we'd also ask that council would call for the improvement hearing and set the date for the improvement hearing in early january we'd have another open house event like this where we'd have more project information to present and have another opportunity to answer questions or for residents to ask questions and have them answered by staff before the improvement hearing on january 11th we'd be going back to council for the improvement hearing where we present the recommended project and ask the council order plans and specifications we'll be doing final design during january and february and on march 8th bringing plans back to council requesting approval for plans and specifications and authorization for bidding the would be leading bids during during march and scheduling the bid opening for late march or early likely to be early april of 2021 following receiving the bids we would have another informational meeting that would be the assessment hearing informational meeting to be scheduled in april of 2021 at that point we'd have bids in hand from the contractor and we'd have um the proposed final assessments that would in that case be based on a contractor costs so at that point we'd have a much tighter project cost and it and with the proposed assessments would be based on that and then uh we'd be scheduling that assessment hearing in alternatively for may 10th of 2021 and at that meeting um we'd also be asking that council hold that assessment hearing and that's a public hearing where residents are certainly welcome to attend and encouraged and ask that council award the project and then we'd tentatively be beginning construction in june of 2021 i'm sorry i'll uh get that last slide here so i'll leave this slide up with the instructions for asking questions i'm going to ask that luke with kimberly horn can help summarize the questions that residents have been asking yeah good evening everybody um like jake said my name is luke warren with kimberly horn associates we are the consulting firm that's partnering with the city to do the engineering of the improvements that jake just ran through in the presentation so i'd encourage people certainly i see there's there's one question which we can address that one here but um if folks have questions or not just questions but even just comments on things that they want left both just for the record as the information that you guys do share in this meeting will also be included in the feasibility report that then goes to council so that's another way to if you have something that you'd like counsel ultimately to see certainly submit those questions or or whatever comments you have um so the first question that came through um someone asked why was delaney court resurfaced a couple years ago to be torn up now um so i you know specifically the scope of what that resurfacing was i'm not sure but a few years ago this project would not have been programmed through the city cip and maybe jake can cover this a little better than i can but a portion of the city cip and the reason that this project is being initiated right now is the city is is receiving petitions from neighborhoods to to initiate these projects and investigate a street improvement project so a few years ago when that would have been resurfaced this project wasn't planned and what and the city did not know the neighborhood was going to submit a petition for an improvement um and i don't know if you want to add anything to that jake i guess i'll i'll add um i was not aware that it was resurfaced there is the city has in the past sometimes done a broad area patching um where they do a very thin layer of new asphalt pavement um and i will definitely we will need to look further into that if if that did receive a broad area patch that's something that may affect the delaney court design all right um so we will we'll take a look at that as jake said and at the next open house we will make a note to follow up on that specifically just to close the loop on folks if there's anything that's going to change related to delaney court next question that got submitted what is the typical project length for something of the scope i would say there isn't a typical project length generally this the city as they either receive petitions or plans street improvement projects they are are doing them in um they're not doing more than what's reasonable to control construct in one construction season over one summer um but i mean generally i would say it's atypical to have something more or a few miles would be as long as as as these projects would typically get but i wouldn't say there's necessarily anything that's typical for the length it's just kind of what the streets are through the neighborhood i'll add just a little bit um in in in recent years the city has generally been trying to do improvement projects on a neighborhood by neighborhood basis because we do assess that that allows the project funding to be you know specific to a neighborhood but so we've done i know we've had projects on atwater path and upper 50 or excuse me 55th street 55th street court i believe those were shorter lakes although those were urban street sections with curb and gutter in this case uh having a one mile section of road this should be a that should provide a pretty reasonably good economy of scale um or this you know to get good bid prices for construction of this project okay um next question was in relation to i have rain gardens in the ditch along the road do you anticipate much disturbance to landscaping so generally the the disturbance adjacent to the roadway pavement today we are not anticipating a lot of disturbance outside of that um there's likely to be some touch upgrading on the slopes directly off the roadway on both sides just as we install new pavement but there's not there's certainly no plans to do anything that you know as far as reestablishing the entire ditch one thing that will likely get discussed a little more at the next open house um if there are things like irrigation um you know the question reference landscaping so i'll have to see what what's meant by that but if there are private obstructions in the right-of-way that do conflict with construction we will be asking residents to to move those ahead of construction but specific to the question we don't anticipate a lot of disturbance in the i guess from the the slope off the roadway outside of that area um next question there are some flooding issues during heavy rain and snow melt at the bottom of delaney court were they considered in the plan um i think i recall the questionnaire that there was a map with that kind of drew this out and referenced it so we are taking a look at that with the stormwater analysis that that jake went through and i don't have a specific answer to at this time whether or not um there's something there that the city feels is necessary but we will have an update on that at the next open house when that analysis is included with the feasibility report and we we know the the scale of the stormwater improvements that are going to be proposed for the project yeah and we're still uh we just got the topographic survey and culvert inventory for this so we're still in the process of reviewing this information but um if that was something that is being caused by an undersized culvert or a clogged culvert that's likely to be something that would be included um but again it's uh at the feasibility report stage that we're at we are including all of these comments and information and um reviewing it and we'll be presenting that in the feasibility report um but there is not a there is no plan set in on paper or in stone at this point so um it's certainly something we'll be looking at all right um next question can pavement approaching mailboxes be extended to keep wheels on pavement to prevent holes and ponding that exists at every mailbox now so i know the the city does have a a standard plate for rural mailbox installation that does i believe and jake correct me if i'm wrong but i believe that does widen out the pavement at the mailbox um but we can can confirm that um but that that's what i believe the the city standard is for rural section roadways which in this case we would be uh implementing that standard plate with the project next question what will access to our homes be like during construction so like any street reconstruction project that the city does it's typical to require the contractor to maintain access to your driveway and subsequently your home at all times um there you know there's likely to be short periods of time where work is happening directly in front of your home where there'll be a a minor disturbance to your access but that question specifically will address that more in the spring after the project's bid and we have a better understanding of what the contractors plan is um and at that time we'll be able to to run through more of what the expectations will be like during construction but as a general statement you will have access to your house during the project and your driveway and this uh and i see one one other question that will come up that's kind of related to this but you know you could expect that um there will be periods of time where there's not going to be pavement after we do the reclaim there it might be a week or two where you know the road is just left as a as a gravel or the reclaimed material surface but it should be it will be graded and shaped that you can still drive on it certainly um but as we you know as the contractor is staging doing the reclaim and the in the grading um and then the paving ultimately that process could take um several weeks or you know over a month potentially between the time when they first reclaim and get final final where course payment down but they will they will be required to keep that and it should be uh um you'll still have access and uh so hopefully that helped all right um next question i assume that this will greatly reduce the pothole problem that turns out to not be the case would the residents be refunded a part of their assessment um so you know we the street improvements we've done a geotechnical investigation we'll make an engineering recommendation um the city you know we we would not expect there to be a a pothole problem after the project um i guess this is a question i've never gotten but no there would not be a refund on your assessment but um you know from an engineering standpoint where we're taking the steps to make sure that the the recommended improvements and the pavement section that we're building is being put there to last so you guys don't have the issue of potholes on the roads because the city doesn't in the same sense doesn't want to be back here to address potholes or another project anytime soon does construction last two weeks or two months um so this project um you know we haven't gotten into the the project schedule as far as what we would think for construction i don't i would not anticipate this project to be the the kind of maybe some of the projects you've seen in the city where they go from the april time frame all the way to october just because of the the scope of the improvements that we have but i would expect it to be a couple months certainly and the amount of disturbance during that time period is going to vary based on what the contractor is doing whether it's driveways the roadway culverts establishing turf that sort of thing next question any consideration for speed control mother measures speed on the street way too much that's a common question we get from neighborhoods when when we come through on these projects so um jake i may have you help me on this one but i believe the kind of the standard answer is the that is a a police um item so as part of the project um you know specifically we're not um implementing any sort of traffic calming kind of measures where this is a street reconstruction project that we're just we're redo addressing the stormwater issues that are needed and improving the street as needed if there are concerns related to speeding i believe that's a an item to be addressed with with the city police department yeah i i know um that luke's pretty much spot on with his response we would likely not be proposing any calming like no speed bumps or anything um that is something that could be requested of counsel or to review do a speed study but that would generally not be included with this project but we can include that comment in the feasibility report all right um next question how long should the new road last um so the i mean the standard design for the streets is a 20-year pavement design um so i mean that would be in this instance what we would be expecting from the design of the road the city now um as a part of their pavement management program that got implemented if i don't know what year that was jake you might have to help me on that but um the city is now when they go through and doing these projects there will be ongoing maintenance to the new road which will include crack seals seal coats and potentially things like mill and overlays in the future that the city will look to extend the life of the large investment that they're going to be making here to to build this project correctly this time around and yep um i know this the city's had a payment management program i believe since the 90s which has involved generally um the seal coat the crack seal and seal coat maintenance which would certainly be um with the you know as you noticed earlier in the presentation we haven't done sealcoats in 20 years now but we definitely do crack seal and seal coats on the newer streets that is preventative maintenance that benefits the road do it done early uh i believe we will we'll do a crack seal uh within the first two years in the seal coat the following year and then um i think the program is for about every five years for a new for for another crack sealer seal coat it's either three or five years i'm sorry but uh and and those crack seal and steel coat maintenance projects are included in the payment management completely funded by the payment management fund so there's no assessments associated with that jake and luke this is steve dodge may just chime in for one comment uh and it relates to the a few of the questions we've had about you know pavement cycle and lifespan and i want to remind everyone that for delaney circle what's being proposed is to do a reclamation of the pavement into the existing gravel section uh we may amend that in order to meet certain classification of gravel but what's going to happen then as we would most of the gravel was in and pavement section that were grinding up together uh would be homogeneous and mixed in place and then we would add a four inches of pavement above that what you have out there right now is two and a half to three inches of pavement and the reason for the four inches of pavement is so that we can come back and do a milling overlay and do some of the payment management strategies that jake is talking about so we expect the uh the life of the road to be longer than the pavement that you've had to date uh not only due to newer technologies and pavement but are the thicker pavement section that's going in and also the beefier gravel section that will be left in place when the project is done so i just want to point those out while we're talking about um and that kind of answers a question coming up of whether we're doing two lifts or one lift uh because we're proposing four inches of pavement to go in it would be done in two lifts two two inch lifts thanks steve yeah and like um and i guess this is jumping ahead to a question that came in somewhat recently um that was a comment about the best practices call for sealcoating and chip seal more than three times in 43 years will this new road be properly maintained that's kind of what we've been been talking through the city has this pavement management program now on their streets where they have scheduled improvements for chip seals and seal coats on a rated schedule based on when the the street was improved so that um like you like the comet noted where we can meet those best practices and extend the life of of the newly constructed pavement as long as we can so yes that there there is a plan to maintain delaney court and delaney circle following um following the street project all right um another question will the elevation of my driveway change um in some ways that's to be determined um one thing that as jake was talking through and explaining the re re or the pavement reclamation process which includes grinding up that existing pavement on the streets so as that pavement is ground up with the gravel base beneath to create new material for the roadway to sit on that will depending on how we look at the crowns which is your your slope of your roadway from the center depending on as we get into design and take a look at that there is a chance that the roadway will be raised a couple inches in the event that that happens we would be reconstructing driveways and tying those in but being the change in elevation is only potentially expected to be a few inches the elevation or grade changes on driveways would be very minor next question so there is no warranty for the work that would not be accepted for any other service provider um so i'm not sure what the the sort or what i guess triggered this question to come in but the city does include a two-year warranty requirement as a part of their projects so certainly after the work is constructed by the contractor there is a a period of time where it will continue to be to be reviewed and if issues that are warranting addressing due to errors on the contractor's end or material issue that that came up that can't be accepted as a part of the contract the city will have with the contractor they will be required to address that under that warranty and i suspect this may have come from the pothole question from before who had asked about being refunded on assessments and um yeah so as luke said we do have a two-year warranty bond with the contractor after the works performed and the road will be inspected following construction and during those two years and if there was generally i mean if there was major material issues or construction quality issues we would we'd expect to start seeing signs of that potentially within that first two years so if you know if we start seeing a major major cracking or soft spots settlement in the road that would lead to future potholes you know popping up a lot quicker um we would have those issues corrected under that warranty period so hopefully that provides a little clarity all right um there's a question two lifts or one lift um that question steve kind of answered when he chimed in but that's a question in reference to how many lifts of asphalt pavement are going to be placed like steve had mentioned previously we are proposing four inches of pavement which will be placed in two separate lifts which will aid in in us making sure we get good density on the pavement so the road does does last as long as we would we would expect it to next question during this new pavement process is there an option to contract with the construction company hired to redo a driveway so there's probably a couple items here to note the city does have a driveway restoration program that i guess i'll i'll punt to jake to see if he wants to run through that now or if we want to hold off on that till the next open house i think i can i can provide an answer for now and that is yeah as luke mentioned there's a driver restoration program that the city offers and we'll discuss that more at the improvement hearing because um as luke said there's there's a good chance that because we're doing the full depth reclamation and paving on top of existing material that currently we are planning for um there will be quite a few driveways where that five to ten feet will need to be uh the driveways will need to be that five to ten feet of the drivers will need to be replaced um but we'll we'll be reviewing that as we're getting into design here and if as long as if there is enough um driveway impacts we would likely pursue or you know offer the driveway replacement program which is a an opportunity for homeowners who are interested in replacing their entire driveway um they could get a credit applied to their assessment and that credit amount is based on the average of the driveway costs averaged over all the lots so you know some people might there might be a need for 10 foot of driveway apron replacement some people might only have a need for five feet but regardless those costs would be averaged so that credit would be calculated based on the average driveway apron cost for each lot and then so residents who would be interested in replacing their whole driveway could enter an agreement with the city that says i will not i agree to not have my apron my driveway apron replaced with this project and i'll take the credit to my assessment but you are responsible then to hire a contractor um separately from the project so you could certainly approach the contractor who's working on this project but that that driveway contract would be separate from this project so if that makes sense because you'd also have the option to hire your own separate contractor who offered you a better quote for a driveway so again we'll touch on that provide a little more clarity um on confirming that we'd be proposing the driveway program with this project um as long as it makes sense but hopefully that provided a little better answer yeah and i guess to address the question directly yes there is an option to contact the contractor who is who is actually constructing the roadway improvements to redo your driveway but ultimately that is a conversation between you and the contractor and you know it we have seen both contractors be willing to do private driveway work and other contractors not so there's certainly no the city has no say in whether or not the contractor will be willing to do that work for you all right next question turning radii are too narrow anyway of making them a wider sweep delaney court sub service was not corrected during overlay and needs to be repaved like the rest of delaney circle so the the turning radii specifically we'll take a look at what those look like versus what the city standard for rural section neighborhoods is but we likely will also evaluate potentially a ribbon curb on the turning radii i know sometimes that can help avoiding vehicle tracking as you turn or as you make turns at intersection that provides an additional width of pavement to protect um the turf and the edge of the pavement so that that doesn't erode away but certainly we are taking a look at that we noted that question when that came in on the questionnaire and we will be addressing those turning radii with the project the other question or the other piece of that question um so the delaney court subsurface was not corrected during overlay and needs to be repaved like the rest of delaney circle so um i guess with the improvements that we're proposing currently on delaney court which is to replace the pavement and the base um we should correct correct any any issues related to the to the base on delaney if i'm understanding what that question is asking yeah i think i can i'd like to make a little comment here to luke um i think i think what we we are learning here that sounds like there was a somewhat recent what the city refers to as broad area patching on delaney court um and i know when i when i drove it in the last couple weeks delaney court payment is still in pretty rough shape um but that would also make sense why the payment's a little thicker there um this the city's broad area patching program has not been documented real thoroughly in the last few years or it's been done it's been done um i think over the last decade or more even um but yeah so that would be this project is is considered is is planning to replace or or use the full depth reclamation on all of uh delaney court as well so hopefully that answers uh the second part of that that question there um jake may i pipe in just for a second sure yeah and and and typically on most of these projects uh when we do these fold up reclamations or like delaney court which is a partial reconstruction we will always do a subgrade uh roll test and verification before we fix up the gravel and and pave so if we do our roll test and we find out that below the gravel we find any soft spots that don't need uh specifications uh we usually have it in our plan set and in our bids to be work with the contractor to do some sub-grade correction so if there are areas that you know as a resident that you think there may be uh some spotty bad soils that's always good to know and we will normally incorporate some type of uh that type of operation within our bids so that can be done with the project hey luke i want to jump back in i noticed i think we skipped one question i'd like to comment on um it was before the the turn radius and um and um overlay or reclaim question on delaney circle but um the comment was made that best practices call for seal code and chip sealing more than three times in 43 years will this new road be properly maintained um so yeah that that that very valid comment and um as i mentioned i think earlier in the in the presentation after the initial 22 years of the of the road that it had about three seal coats during that period after that point the road was considered too far in disrepair for a seal coat to be effective but certainly with this after this new road improvement that the maintenance the sealcoat and crack seal maintenance would be performed regularly and the way the city payment management schedule is set up is that this road would be receiving crack seal and seal coat maintenance for the first uh 15 years or so of its lifespan and kind of tends to depend on how quickly it may be deteriorating but we'd expect and expect this improvement to last you know at least 20 25 years hopefully um at that point so we'd be doing crack seal and seal coat for the first 15 years of that at after that point the those maintenance preventative maintenance um methods are not as effective the the pavements kind of dried out and there's too many cracks to chase with crack seal so at that point it would be scheduled for a milling overlay following that period and then um so that would be a another improvement 20 years out or more um that it would get a known overlay and after that again it would be getting crack seal and seal coat maintenance uh and that cycle would continue until 50 years or so when when it may need a new project similar to this reconstruction project so hopefully that answered that question a little bit better um i'll let luke relead the questions now yep so we got a few more questions left so certainly keep submitting them if if people have other things they want to ask tonight i'll go ahead into the next question and it looks like i think two of them are related so in the event the roadway should fail as in the washer board effect experience in the past near the holiday station by concord and highway 52 would the city repair that and i think there was a follow-up question that said would the city repair that without new assessments so specifically i'm not familiar with the the issue that's happened that concord 52 but you know in the event of of damage to the roadway or or things occurring there from large and significant storm events i mean the the city will maintain the streets and would address repairs as needed and that would be part of of regular maintenance of the streets and would not be a specific it wouldn't be another project that's assessing the the property owners correct jake yeah i'm i'm not i'm i'm familiar with the concord 52 i don't know where the washboard is if it's on conquered um but i do know like on on cahill avenue on cahill and 80th street there's a pretty significant washboard effect on cahill right now grand that road is getting pretty old but often you you tend to see that washboard effect that intersection approaches so where they're getting heavier traffic too so wouldn't necessarily anticipate that here but regardless if there was a local area of you know pavement distress like like that like a washboard effect at an intersection approach the city would generally uh repair that you know just with maintenance where they'd maybe do a spot mill and repave in that area um and and that type of maintenance or repair would not be assessed the last question i believe we have not answered will the replace section of driveway be replaced with like material so yes if you have a bituminous or asphalt driveway you will get asphalt back if you have a concrete driveway the the impacted area would be replaced with concrete and then i know there are also a couple gravel driveways through the neighborhood so if there's any work needed on those the city will replace those with gravel so i i think we got all the questions um i guess it certainly um if folks have anything else continue to submit it we'll we'll hang around here for a little bit um i see there's still 10 attendees into the meeting so um i guess maybe to track back there will be like jake said on the schedule there is going to be another meeting like this following the feasibility report being presented to council and that meeting will be ahead of the public hearing so if there are questions that you think of after this meeting you can certainly jake's contact my contact information may be on the website as well but you can certainly reach out to either of us and we can answer it or there will be an opportunity at another meeting like this to ask those questions um so if you think of something after the meeting we can either answer it now with phone call or email or we can address it at the at the next open house meeting yeah i just want to say thank you everyone for attending tonight i think we had a pretty pretty good turnout here and had some great questions um flagged a few things that we need to certainly look into further uh as we're preparing the feasibility report and looking ahead into design and um just to further comment on luke's luke's point that we will have another uh informational open house prior to the public hearing for the ordering the improvement where we'll have more solid information on what the proposed design is we'd have a lot better idea about culvert and driveway impacts at that point and again feel free to reach out to me or luke at any time i know uh the delaney webpage just has my contact information but um feel free to shoot me an email or or give me a call at any time with questions or just a comment we're happy to do our best to answer that those questions and certainly looking for any other comments that residents have you you know the neighborhood better than we do certainly um we do our best to be do our research and you know know what know what we're looking for in the neighborhood but residents who live there certainly certainly have a lot of valuable information and your comments are very appreciated as we're as we're looking at this going into design so um my emails j m o s e r at i g h dot g o v and i believe my office number is listed on the website as well we are currently working remotely so it'll go to voicemail please leave me please leave me a voicemail on your number and i'll call you back on my cell phone usually within 24 hours if not sooner i'll try to be as responsive as as possible but yeah your questions or comments are always welcome thank you for coming tonight