[0:38] [Music] i call to order the March 20th 2025 [0:45] planning commission meeting please join me for the flag pledge [0:55] states of America and to the stands one nation God [1:03] indivisibley and justice for all [1:09] erikson will you please do a roll call of members [1:16] kinsleya here zimmer [1:22] here swanson here um agenda item number three approval of [1:27] minutes approval of the March 6 2025 Planning Commission minutes any changes [1:34] the minutes shall stand um agenda item number four Miss Jensen any announcements [1:40] uh yes thank you chair uh before you tonight you have the motions uh for your handouts you have the motions from last [1:46] night's parks recreation and natural resources committee meeting um you also have some revised stipulations for our [1:52] first agenda item the Spirit of Branch and Farm 25th edition and I'll touch on that during my presentation um and then [1:59] just forformational purposes if tonight's items aren't tabled they'll move forward to April 7th city council [2:05] meeting and due to an due to a lack of agenda items the April 3rd planning commission meeting will be cancelled all [2:12] right thank you all right moving on to agenda item number five um this is a public hearing [2:17] so anyone wishing to speak on any of the agenda items tonight please make sure that you fill out uh the information in [2:23] the back on the agenda item that you would like to speak on um this is the Spirit of Branch and Farms 25th edition [2:31] this is a public hearing to consider the application of tradition um development for a preliminary plot and PUD [2:37] development stage plans of nine lots to be known as Spirit of Branch and Farms 25th edition and an amendment to the [2:44] Spirit of Branch and Farms planned unit development to allow detached townhouse dwellings within the farmstead [2:50] preservation area so here to give us a brief overview of the project is Pat Rossy [3:03] good evening commissioners pat Rossi with Tradition Development 169 72 Branch [3:08] and Farm Drive in Lakeville so pleased to be here tonight um to discuss this [3:14] project it's the last outlot of developable land that Tradition [3:20] Companies owns within the almost 600 acre development spirit of Branch and [3:26] Farms so we um were proposing to build seven detached town homes single family [3:33] type units they're uh similar or the same as what we had built in our 21st [3:40] and 23rd editions we call them our revival town homes and um you know it's [3:48] it's a unique site there at Spirit Branch and Farm and um we think that the [3:55] theme that we're bringing through with with these homes will transition well from the residential neighborhood [4:01] Westerly into our our office campus there so looking forward to the staff [4:06] presentation tonight and um we'll be here for questions and also have our engineering team as well thank you thank [4:14] you [4:19] good evening commissioners excuse me uh this is a public hearing [4:24] for the preliminary plat a PUD amendment and a development stage plan for Branch and Farm 25th [4:31] edition uh just to remind everyone where they are located this is north of 170th [4:37] Street and uh west of Draft Horse Boulevard get my mouse here if you're [4:42] familiar with the Branch and site the old uh rebuilt farmhouse is here and then the two barns are are here and here [4:50] so the proposed uh additions is are in this area uh just for some littleformational [4:57] purposes these are from the uh spirit of ranch and farm uh PUD booklet that was [5:02] put together when the the project was initially prepared uh the master land [5:08] use plan shows uh I know for reference purpose it's a little tough to tell but this is the farmland pres far farmstead [5:15] preservation area where the u the units are proposed to be located and then again showing here they would be roughly [5:24] in this area just for comparison purposes if you're familiar with kind of the layout of spirit of branch and farms [5:30] you know this was the original layout as it was intended um and it has changed [5:35] quite a bit over the So you can see um didn't quite go you know the the layout [5:41] is different but it still ended up being a very nice uh development um so the PUD amendment is [5:48] for the master spirit of branch and farmed uh planned unit development the farmstead preservation area was um had [5:56] certain uses that was allowed within it um and from that original PUD ordinance [6:02] those allowed uses were those uses within our O which is our office residential district and then I've [6:08] listed the additional um uses that were specifically called out that would be [6:14] permitted on the site um again some of the you know smaller uh restaurant [6:21] takeout food architecturally themed mini storage units uh real estate offices [6:28] things like that that it was a real mix of items that were considered appropriate for potential development in [6:35] that area um so again this is the uh aerial [6:41] view of the site a little bit closer in this is Draft Horse Boulevard here 170th [6:46] on the south and Branch and Farm Drive wrapping up and around uh this is the site plan for it [6:54] again 70th Street on the south Ranch and Farm Drive and Draft Horse you can see [6:59] this the location of the seven uh town home units here they do front on Draft Horse Boulevard but they do not have [7:06] driveway access to Draft Horse that will be along the rear side there's a [7:11] proposed access aisle to provide access to the rear garages there are some guest [7:16] parking spaces in this area as well and then this access connects from Branch [7:21] and Farm Drive through to the parking lot uh for the office area it is [7:26] currently a uh a gravel or an unpaved surface and it will be uh paved and [7:32] striped as a part of this project as well this is just the plat area again [7:38] the seven units there's a common area lot the outlot for the access uh a lot [7:44] for the existing office building addition that was done in 2018 and then the outlot for the parking area um I [7:51] should also point out I'm going to back up here uh we there is a proposed sidewalk through the units for a [7:57] pedestrian connection to again connect over through here to these more common public areas of the branch and area so [8:05] folks don't have to go all all the way around provide some additional connectivity in [8:10] there uh just the landscape plan showing you that they will be uh adding a [8:15] variety of trees around the site and then these are some uh example building [8:21] elevations that they shared with us we didn't have these in your packet uh but just to give you a sense of what the [8:27] units might look like uh one to twotory units and these are again as Mr rossi [8:32] said very similar to the revival town homes um that have been built on the the north end of Branch and Farm um and then [8:40] I did mention earlier you have revised stipulations um in front of you couple of reasons for the revisions one uh [8:47] there was misnumbering so there's actually only 13 stipulations and not 14 [8:53] and the one change to a stipulation was uh regarding I got to see if I can find it [8:59] here number 11 the bottom of the front page um there was some disconnect between the [9:07] engineering and the the planning report as far as uh whether park dedication had been satisfied or not um staff's going [9:13] to do some additional research just because of how the park dead was done for this so we'll figure that out and [9:19] and if there's park dead that's required it'll be um addressed with the final plat so this is just updating that [9:25] language to that effect um so staff does recommend approval of the preliminary [9:31] plat the PUD amendment and the development stage plan subject to the 13 stipulations and I'll stand for any [9:37] questions you may have thank you um and this is a public hearing so [9:43] anyone wishing to speak on this agenda item can please come forward [9:54] madam Chair I move to close the public hearing second i have a motion and a [10:00] second to close the public hearing all those in favor please signify by saying I i i all opposed all right the public [10:07] hearing is now closed um fellow commissioners any questions [10:14] um Madam Chair yes um there's uh a reference in the materials to uh some [10:21] parking spaces on Draft Horse Boulevard um a 20inut um parking zone i was just [10:28] wondering if this was something that the Lakeville police would be monitoring and ticketing if necessary [10:40] thank you Commissioner Travis uh the intent of th that space is for because there's no driveway access off of Draft [10:46] Horse there's no on street parking in that area it does allow kind of a pulloff for deliveries or a pickup drop [10:52] off sort of situation it will be signed for I think the recommendation is like 20 minute parking um so it I don't know [11:01] that it's going to be something that the police are actively there watching uh hope the neighbors would you know kind [11:07] of police themselves with it as well if it becomes an issue possibly but the intent there is just because there's so [11:14] much more deliveries and and things like that it provides that ability without those uses having to to go to the backs [11:21] of the units so that's the reason for those spaces there thank you [11:29] any additional questions Madam Chair not really any additional [11:34] questions or anything but just more of a statement if I heard it correctly the last land that Tradition owns in this [11:40] being developed is that [11:49] correct yes Commissioner uh Swinson that's correct it's it's a small parcel [11:54] I think um under three acres and um you know I I think we thought earlier that [12:02] the similar development up to the north was our our last development this this [12:07] piece we've been hanging on to for possible office expansion but just [12:12] haven't um needed the space so this is it for us it's the last part [12:17] so again just kind of reflecting on the fact this is the 25th edition to this plat um we have a lot of plats that come [12:24] in and have one or two or three additions to them to to get to the 25th edition i think is rather remarkable [12:29] just in terms of how many times this has been in front of planning commission um for various products and various things [12:35] um also state as the elder person serving on this commission um this predates me being on the commission even [12:41] when this project started and just want to reflect on all the work that previous planning commissioners and city council [12:47] and planning staff all did on this whole development um to to reach the point that we're at today and what I think we [12:53] would all argue is a pretty successful product um I'm happy to support what you're proposing here tonight um and [12:59] just it's been a pleasure to watch this development as it's proceeded through the years thank you [13:07] uh just wanted to echo that that yes this is I think my been on the planning commission for [13:13] 10 years i think my second meeting it was uh the spirit of Brandon Farms [13:18] edition i think you guys started the project while I was still in high school so it's been going on and it's it's been [13:26] really has been great to see how it's developed and um over the years and [13:33] uh really great products there and great asset to the the city [13:41] sounds like we might be ready for a motion madam Chair yes i move to recommend a [13:47] city council approval of the Spirit of Branch and Farm 25th edition preliminary plat PUB development stage plan an [13:53] amendment to the Spirit of Branch and Farm plan unit development subject to the 13 stipulations listed in the March [13:58] 13 2025 planning report second all right I have a motion and a second miss [14:04] Ericson will you please take a roll call tinsley iza [14:11] I Zimmer Ike hi Swanson hi Traffic hi [14:18] all right Mr rossy well best of luck on the last part and we really appreciate [14:24] you being in Lakeville um all right agenda item number six Lord of Life Town [14:30] Homes this is a public hearing to consider the application of Frisbee Properties LLC for the preliminary plot [14:36] of 24 town home lots to be known as Lord of Life Town Homes as well as a variance [14:41] for a culde-sac length and the vacation of public drainage and utility easements and here to give us a brief overview of [14:48] the project is Matt Frisbee [14:55] thank you for having us on the agenda tonight we sure appreciate it uh this project's been in the works for a couple years now and I'm Matt Frisbee I'm sorry [15:02] with River Falls Wisconsin Frisbee Properties and Frisbee Companies and uh we actually worked with Pastor Jamie [15:08] who's here tonight from Lord of Life uh back in 2007 did the initial church and then there was always a thought of [15:14] what's the master plan or what's the future and uh they approached me a couple years back to say hey let's let's [15:20] take a look at this and and we took it and ran with it uh but last February actually we looked at this as a concept [15:26] review with planning and council so it's taken some time but uh we've got we've gotten here tonight we appreciate it um [15:33] so this is 24 units um so 12 buildings of twin homes uh some common space u [15:40] that we'll look at tonight from the engineering side uh with pickle ball courts and pavilions and different [15:46] things but um tried to keep it pretty straightforward it's a beautiful infill site uh that's been you know sitting [15:52] there everything else around us has been done uh for years now so this is a great infill um so we expanding the retention [15:59] pond that's there now expanding the outlot uh is drive will be dedicated [16:04] back with the rightway after everything's completed we are asking for some variances in your packet and the [16:10] drawings there but I'll be available for any questions afterwards uh and we'll let them go into more detail thank you [16:16] thank you [16:24] excuse me good evening chair commission members as mentioned this request is for [16:30] property it's a 5.74 acre piece located south of Lord of Life Church it is [16:36] located um east of Dodd Lane and then south of Dodd Boulevard so the property [16:42] was um approved for a reasonzoning and a comp plan change last year in September [16:48] of 2024 so the property is now zoned RST2 which is a single and two family [16:55] residential district and the comprehensive plan designation is the the low to medium density residential [17:02] so the request in front of you tonight is the preliminary plat for a 24 lot [17:08] twin home development that includes one outlot that'll will be dedicated to the city for storm water management and then [17:14] one common lot that will have the shared amenities uh for that will be maintained by the HOA the request is also for a [17:22] variance for culde-sac length um there's the one road that goes into the [17:27] development which is a spree court it is proposed at 638 feet uh the maximum [17:33] length in code for a culde-sac is 600 feet so they're asking for a 38 foot [17:38] variance for that culde-sac length and then they're also asking for a vacation vacation of the existing drainage and [17:44] utility easements that are that were found on the parent parcel um so you can [17:49] see up in the upper right hand corner there on the southern and west and east [17:55] boundaries the existing perimeter ements will be vacated and then those will be rededicated on the new [18:04] plat so the proposed development complies with the minimum lot area requirements and setbacks for the units [18:11] i just want to make sure your guys' screen is still active my screen here went blank um in front of me so you guys [18:16] can still see it okay um the applicant is propos proposing sidewalks on both sides of a free court and that will [18:23] connect the development to the um the shared the common area and also bring [18:29] both sidewalks out to Dodd Trail and then there are no wetlands on the property um grading of the site though [18:36] does include modifying and increasing the size of an existing public basin in like the southeast corner and those [18:43] modifications do lie within outlaw A that will be dedicated to the city um [18:48] and then landscaping is proposed along Dodd Trail along um then throughout the [18:55] development so the applicant has submitted exterior elevations of the town home units and proposed um building [19:02] materials that could take place so what was submitted does comply with city requirements and then staff is [19:09] recommending approval of all three requests in uh with the seven stipulations that are listed in your [19:14] report and the findings of fact that were included with the packet for the variance so I will be available for [19:21] questions once you move on to that stage thank you all right thank [19:27] you and this is also a public hearing so anyone wishing to speak on this agenda item could come forward [19:39] madam Chair seeing no one come forward I would move to close the public hearing [19:47] second i have a motion and a second to close the public hearing all those in favor please signify by saying I i i [19:55] opposed all right the public hearing is now closed uh fellow commissioners any [20:00] questions um or comments on this agenda [20:06] item Madam Chair I did have one it was really cold on the day that I [20:13] went out there so I didn't get out of the car what was in the middle it looked like the grass was growing so high just [20:20] wanted to make sure it wasn't a pond or wetland and we've if it is that we've addressed all of that perhaps the [20:26] applicant could ask answer that i seriously couldn't get out of the car i was too It was too cold no that's very [20:32] understandable so over the last couple years we've had wetland delineation completed and they look at the vegetation they look at everything and [20:38] there's nothing that qualifies for wetland through there there is some lowlands so as we regrade in there that [20:44] grade will be brought up a little bit so that's why you'll kind of see a little bit of undulation when the church was [20:50] done and that was kind of general graded um you know was kind of left a little bit more natural so there's probably a [20:56] couple low pockets in there okay thank you [21:01] um Madam Chair yes um my question is uh is about traffic um you know Dodd [21:07] Boulevard busy road um Dodd Lane i would imagine there's some difficulty maybe making a left turn at the busy times of [21:14] the morning is is there has there been any study about the traffic that these 24 residences would would add to that [21:21] intersection we discussed that early on with the [21:28] amount of density that we're proposing with the 24 and the impact of that and we were actually out there actually I [21:34] drove by there even tonight as people are were coming and kids were out playing different things the the traffic [21:40] flow in there is actually quite low um so we didn't feel because the intersections were lining up with each [21:45] other and perpendicular to the other ones that it felt with the stop signs that it was all adequate and then there [21:51] was enough staging before you get up to Dodd Lane or Dodd Boulevard I should say uh for um for for cars to be at that [21:59] stop sign so it was discussed a full-blown traffic study was not required for the project for this amount [22:05] of density yeah thank you [22:13] any additional comments or questions no looks like we're ready for [22:18] a motion [22:24] madam Chair i move to recommend to city council approval of the Lord of Life Town Homes [22:29] preliminary plat variance and easement vacation subject to the seven stipulations listed in the March 11th [22:35] 2025 planning report as amend not as amended [22:41] second motion and a second uh Miss Eriken will you please take a roll call vote [22:46] kuza I [22:52] Swenson hi Travis hi Pinsley hi [22:57] all right Mr frisbee best of luck on your project moving forward thank you [23:03] agenda item number seven um Pumpkin Creek this is a public hearing to consider the application of [23:11] Peter Penabi um for the preliminary plot of 26 single [23:18] family lots to be known as Pumpkin Creek and a zoning map amendment of the property from RS2 single family [23:24] residential district to RS3 single family residential district and we [23:30] have David here to give us a brief overview [23:36] chair commission members my name is David Canaby i'm a civil engineer with the firm Civil Site Group who's doing [23:42] the civil engineering for this project as you stated the project for 26 new [23:48] single family property properties off of 185th Street just north of recently [23:54] platted and approved and under construction the PR preserve development um the project will be the extension of [24:01] Ionia Avenue from the preserve development up to 185th Street um we've been working with staff for quite a [24:08] quite a while on this one to come up with a plat that's presented before you [24:13] today um yeah we're here if you got any questions we're here to answer any [24:19] questions you got but we've reviewed the staff report and everything we agree with all of their recommendations in there so look forward to moving this [24:26] project along thank you thank you [24:35] thank you chair commission members so this request is for property that's located south of 185th Street also known [24:42] as County Road 60 it's located north of 190th um and as mentioned with the road [24:49] Exonia Avenue that's going to connect through the development so the property is currently zoned RS2 which is the [24:57] single family residential development the applicant developer is requesting that the 20 acre parcel be reszoned to [25:04] the RS3 single family residential district so the property is located [25:09] within the Musa boundaries and is able to connect to city water and sewer and then the proposed RS3 zoning is [25:16] consistent with the development to the south so it match the um pretty much all [25:21] the lots there to the south of this development all the way to 190th and it will also remain consistent with that [25:27] current comp plan designation of the low density residential so they're not asking to change the comp plan only the [25:33] reszoning from the RS2 to RS3 in addition to that they are also asking [25:39] for a preliminary plat approval for a 26 lot three outlot subdivision to be known [25:45] as Pumpkin Creek exonia Avenue is the main road that is going north south connecting [25:51] from the development to the south all the way up to 185th Street there's also one small culde-sac and then two other [25:58] future public streets that are proposed for with an east west connection to future developments on both sides uh the [26:06] lot sizes for this development range from about 11,000 square feet to two [26:12] 24,255 square feet so those meet and exceed our code requirements for minimum [26:17] lot size the proposed building pads I guess this map is a little bit hard to see but the proposed building pads [26:23] comply with our setback requirements there are a number of wetlands on this site and they will be located within the [26:30] outlots um and those outlots will be dedicated to the city um the applicant [26:35] is also proposing a couple public storm water basins that you can see kind of north and south of the outlot here those [26:43] basins will provide the water quality treatment and rate control for the storm water runoff that is generated from the [26:49] site so staff is recommending approval of both the resoning and the preliminary [26:54] plat with the nine stipulations listed in your report um and including the findings of facts listed with the [27:00] resoning so I'll be available for questions thank you and this is a public hearing [27:05] so anyone wishing to speak on this agenda item can please come forward [27:16] sullivan we live just to the east of the development i have one question could you explain what an RS-2 is and [27:24] RS-3 the difference of the two we'll take all questions and then when we close the public hearing we'll answer [27:30] them thank you [27:39] um my name is Josh Walter grew up in Lakeville been around Lakeville and I think we graduated together [27:46] um I live across the street from where this is planned um so this pretty much [27:53] affects me greatly it took me I I don't want to impede progress here but just [28:00] tonight it took me six minutes to take a lefthand turn on of my street right now [28:06] 185th Street is getting widened as we all know um more traffic way more [28:13] traffic is going to be coming down this street so we're talking 26 [28:18] lots two cars at least per family i would [28:24] assume 50ome cars plus the fact that Exonia is going [28:30] to go through so we're going to get cars coming from those neighborhoods as well [28:36] i'm a bit concerned about some of that traffic um I have two kids two [28:42] sons so this traffic is is concerning um also beyond that the wetlands i grew [28:52] up two houses down so actually my dad lives across the street um so I grew up at [28:59] 10132 185th Street uh that's a 15 acre parcel my dad's property is designated [29:06] as one of the higher wetlands in the area this adds to that wetland um so [29:13] this my property across the street has a lot of runoff from North Lakeville runs [29:18] down into that wetland and then that wetland as the USGS topographical map [29:27] shows runs through and down into Lake Marian so anything and everything done [29:33] in this area affects Lake Marian so we need to [29:38] consider how we approach this wetland this marsh there's a lot of lot of [29:45] animals my my property has I don't want to say a stream it's [29:52] not really a stream it's runoff but many of the deer in the area rest in the [29:58] winter cross in my cattails they run across this area um so [30:05] them not having a way to get across especially across four lanes of traffic now is also a bit concerning so there's [30:12] a lot of nature involved with this whole deal just like anywhere else i guess there's a lot of nature [30:18] involved but you're talking swamp land instead of farmland it's a little easier with [30:24] farmland because it's already been developed into a way that you can develop it further swamp land you're [30:30] affecting a lot more animals a lot more area so I'm just concerned about how [30:38] this is going to change affect the area affect traffic affect how animals move [30:44] in in through this area so I just have concerns with this [30:50] whole deal i believe that you can put more properties on this plot i'm not going to [30:56] go against saying that you can't put more I'm concerned with the amount and that [31:03] they're going to be close to 100 of history and it's going to impede kind of the way the street looks the way it is [31:10] now and so I'd like just to consider that maybe [31:15] less plots on the property maybe not 26 maybe go 15 or something so that there's [31:23] less cars less traffic more nature um and that's pretty much what I have to [31:30] say thank you thank you thank you [31:38] um anyone else wishing to speak on this agenda item [31:43] madam Chair I move to close the public hearing [31:49] second i have a motion and a second to close the public hearing all those in favor please signify by saying I i [31:55] opposed all right the public hearing is now closed um okay so we had a couple of [32:01] questions i think first could we talk about the difference between the RS2 and the RS3 [32:09] district yes so they're both um as I mentioned both single family residential districts the RS2 district the biggest [32:16] thing is the minimum lot size that's going to be the biggest difference between the two so RS2 the minimum lot [32:21] size for an interior lot is 15,000 square ft and an corner lot would be [32:28] 18,000 ft² going up to the RS3 allows for smaller lot sizes so now [32:35] you're looking at an interior lot the minimum lot size of 11,000 square ft and then a corner lot of [32:42] 12,500 square ft does that answer the question yep [32:49] sounds like it thank you Madam Chair yes if I might continue just a little further than that i'm just thinking [32:55] development wise in recent times um many of the lots that we're developing in new developments tend to be the RS4 is that [33:02] correct with even smaller lot requirements and RS3 is more typical of what we would see from development say [33:07] from the 90s and the 2000s correct i would agree with that and in this way as [33:12] I mentioned you're seeing a wide variety of those lot sizes but we do have some larger like 20,000 plus square feet lots [33:19] in this area too and then I think regarding the storm water runoff I might defer that to [33:25] engineering and he can maybe address the post versus pre kind of numbers that we look at um and how we calculate storm [33:31] water thanks yeah so the next questions were yes [33:36] about um runoff into Lake Marian and the wetlands and then also to talk about [33:42] traffic the storm water runoff is meeting all [33:48] city ordinance requirements uh we we went through an extensive review process for [33:53] that uh just all ordinance requirements are met as far as city lake bill [33:59] requirements madam chair yes so if you maybe expand [34:05] upon that it looks like we've got kind of a a combination of a couple of storm water ponds is there any kind of [34:10] infiltration or filtration required here and things that we're doing for water quality treatment [34:16] i think the applicant can speak slightly more to that but to the they are meeting [34:21] our rate and runoff controls for for the [34:28] development chair commission members yeah the plan right now is we're proposing two storm water detention [34:35] basins due to the types of soils present infiltration is not feasible on this [34:40] site and based on city I think it's an ordinance they don't allow filtration as [34:46] water quality treatment so the storm water ponds are acting as both water quality treatment to treat the water before it goes into the wetland and then [34:53] also to provide rate control to slow the water down to match the rates that are currently leaving the site and going into the wetland so the water quality [35:00] that ends up in Lake Marian should be as good or better than kind of what's going there currently and then could we have [35:07] the um wetland map brought up please [35:22] madam Chair um yeah maybe uh the applicant if you can just kind of show with the the mouse kind of where those [35:29] are just so to help people understand um yeah so the sto the existing wetland [35:38] is this area inside the green in the green is the proposed wetland buffer area where we're not going to be [35:44] touching or doing any grading to maintain the existing wetland wetland characteristics in the area the the fill [35:51] for the wetland is to construct the road from the preserved development up north to 185th Street so this area of existing [35:58] wetland is getting filled and then the storm water ponds that we're proposing [36:03] there's a larger basin on the north side here and a smaller basin on the south side treating the runoff from the south [36:10] side of the development and then the runoff from the north side development goes into this basin on the north end both of them discharging into the [36:22] wetland and just have one further question um some places why am I some [36:29] places in uh Lakeville have a underpass for the deer and things like [36:36] that is there anything that would call for something like that is in what you guys have seen and noticed nothing that [36:44] we've noticed i don't know if the county would ever think about doing that as part of their reconstruction for 185th [36:51] Street when they put that in but is for this development that wasn't something that was really contemplated because [36:58] should allow still some movement east and west through the development through that wetland area but the county road [37:04] getting from the north side to the south side I'm not sure what they would want to do for that [37:13] chair since we've del started to delve into the county road issue here a little bit first one is uh for you um just want [37:21] to make sure that um obviously we got reconstruction being starting soon on 185th Street in this location i'm [37:27] assuming this plan is coordinated with what's going on with Dakota County's plans for the road correct yeah we've [37:33] coordinated our you know entry location to match up with where the crossing [37:39] crossing is we still once the plot gets approved do have to coordinate just a little bit of construction of some turn [37:45] lane that the county would require to turn into this development um but it has been coordinated and laid out to match [37:53] up with what they're proposing excellent thank you and if I may continue then uh for city staff city engineer can you [38:00] talk a little bit about what this intersection is proposed to look like with the reconstruction of 185th and [38:05] kind of who controls what that intersection looks like who makes decisions on is it stop sign signals [38:10] that type of thing if if you could expand on that a little bit it is currently proposed as a full access [38:16] intersection uh Dakota County would end up having jurisdiction for future restrictions to the roadway as 185th is [38:24] a county roadway so I think it's the way I would [38:30] kind of follow up on that being a county road um county kind of has the primary [38:37] jurisdiction over making those decisions on what may happen if anything are they going to do anything that's probably [38:42] going to do any kind of signals or anything like that in this location or if traffic really does become an issue [38:47] what likely option would they maybe pursue here they'll continue to monitor at this intersection and at the corridor [38:54] as a whole post construction uh that they'll take a look at what the impacts of the modernization project does to the [39:01] corridor as a whole and then they'll provide recommendations for future intersection restrictions uh typically [39:09] you end up with a 3/4 access or right in right out as the the recommendation that [39:14] the county would have for if an intersection were to be restricted so kind of thinking about it because of [39:21] how close we are to the intersection with IPA and the stop light there the odds that this would ever see a signal are pretty low there they would likely [39:28] restrict things further um and restrict access to right in right out or three/arter access um if and when [39:35] traffic demands warranted that yeah correct [39:41] thank you any additional questions [39:50] i'm sure I'm trying to remember if we covered all the questions asked i was thinking the traffic was there a Did you [39:57] mention if there was a Yeah unfortunately the public hearing is [40:03] closed i'm [40:09] sorry um Okay so was there a traffic study with both of these together was [40:14] there a traffic study done [40:19] there wasn't a traffic study with 185th Street that there was a traffic impact [40:25] analysis that took place with the project that that was one of the factors for the project taking place to begin [40:32] with for 185th [40:38] ask a question once it's developed will there be a traffic study [40:45] done not for Pumpkin Creek development uh [40:52] they will take a look at the traffic counts for the 185th Street project once that construction is complete and [40:59] depending on how construction timelines end up this traffic may be incorporated [41:05] in in their numbers that they'd produced from that right i'm just trying to make sure we're [41:11] providing the folks who asked questions about it with some avenues to pursue i guess I [41:19] should also make note that the plat was reviewed by the plat commission with Dakota County and they recommended [41:24] approval back on October 25th 2024 of the preliminary plat that was in front of them once to receive and that was [41:31] actually for 29 residential lots with the one access point um and they stated [41:37] that their right-of-way needs have been met um they'll have restricted access so they couldn't have another road going [41:42] north south to connect onto the county road and then once we receive the final plot that will also be sent again back [41:48] to the county to review again just one more time to make sure nothing changed in the meantime [41:54] thank you Madam Chair i think more just a a comment here too as I'm looking at the [42:00] plat and and thinking about this one um you see the roadway connecting all the way through the development to the road [42:07] to the south um fact of the matter with that development to the south had set up this connection and was going to allow [42:14] this um and and we try really hard with these developments as they come into the city to try and make it so it's not a [42:20] case of you can't get there from here that you can cross through from one development to the next that type of thing so I know we've got property [42:27] owners on adjacent properties you can see a street that's stubbed out to your property there so in the future if and [42:32] when you decide to develop your property there's an opportunity to connect that street there um and also just provide [42:37] that neighborhood connectivity for people walking biking etc that type of thing also provides for alternate ways [42:43] to get out of the neighborhood for public safety um that type of thing and alternate directions and as traffic [42:49] becomes is an issue or may be an issue it also provides opportunities for people to kind of have some [42:54] institutional memory they adapt they modify their habits in terms of trying to find accesses that work better for [43:00] their needs that type of thing so just wanted to point a couple of those things out with the connectivity that I seem as [43:06] I look at this one other comment if if I may um you know we're talking about a [43:12] potential reszoning from an RS2 to an RS3 here um which does allow some [43:17] smaller lots that type of thing but at the same time I would say by and large what we've been seeing as a planning [43:22] commission has not been these RS3 lots as of late um so these are actually some of the larger lots that we tend to see [43:28] anymore um for residential development and I think it fits with the character of the land i think there's always been [43:33] some questions about how these smaller 10acre parcels through this area we're going to develop and how they might [43:38] connect in the future um so seeing this piece come into place and how this lays out this makes sense to me as I look at [43:45] it and seems to fit with the character of the land there thank you [43:52] any additional comments or questions [44:09] motion to recommend to the city council approval of the Pumpkin Creek preliminary plaid and zoning map [44:15] amendment subject to the nine stipulations listed in the March 11th [44:20] 2025 planning report [44:25] second and a second miss Eriken may we please take a roll call vote [44:30] arovich i zimmer hi hank hi swenson hi [44:36] trafice hi tinsley I Kuza I [44:43] Well thank you and best of luck on your project um it looks like agenda item [44:48] number eight so we do have um Miss Jensen [44:54] wanted to make an announcement let everybody know that this is Chair Morovich's last meeting uh she's been on [45:00] the planning commission for six years and has been chair since January of 2023 uh so thank you for your service and and [45:07] we will miss you that's all thank you [45:14] all right and with that meeting is adjourned [45:23] [Music] [45:32] [Music]