All right, welcome everyone. I'm going to call to order the January 6, 2026 special meeting of the Lakeville Area School Board. Uh, please rise with me for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, we're going to take roll call starting with my right. >> Tony, >> Amber Cameron, >> Paul Carbone. >> I'm Matt Swanson. Michael Bowman, >> Kim Baker, >> Karly Anderson, >> Brian Thompson. Uh, one quick notice, anybody who grabbed an agenda from out front, the agenda is actually wrong. So, the proper agenda is posted online if you have your cell phone on you. Um, you're probably going to have to go on 194 guest, the Wi-Fi network, because our cell signal is not great here. Um, otherwise, the agenda items will be posted on the the screen as we go along. So, uh, start with the approval of the agenda. Are there any requests for modifications to the agenda? If not, I'd entertain a motion to approve the agenda. >> I'll make a motion to approve >> here. Sorry, Director Cameron hading hand up first. >> I'd like to make a motion to move item two, board discussion um, under six. >> I second. >> All right. So there's a motion to move the board discussion from item number two down to item number six. >> Um uh after just to clarify after the boundary discussion. Y >> okay. Uh there is a second. Is there any discussion on the motion to amend the agenda? >> Director Carbone. >> Yeah. I think there may be people here who are interested in that conversation and putting it all the way to the end uh might have some of these folks leaving because it'll be late. >> Any other comments? >> Director Thompson. >> Uh any particular reason why we'd want to move it to after six? >> Director Cameron, >> my rationale is to put all discussion items at the bottom of the report. Typically the first meeting in January is reserved for the organizational meeting and then business follows. >> All right. If there's no further discussion, uh the motion is to amend the agenda to move item number two down to item number six after the discussion item for the boundary area adjustment. Uh all in favor of the motion say I. I. I. >> All opposed. No. >> All right. The motion is approved and item number two is moved down to post item number six. >> Yeah, I have one. >> Any other amendments to the agenda? If none, I'd entertain a motion to Oh, Director Thompson. >> Uh, can I add policy 2011 to our discussion? So, we because it's a special meeting, you actually can't add items to the agenda. >> Thanks, >> Director Anderson. >> Um, I'd like to make a motion to remove 3C. >> I second the motion. >> All right. There is a motion and a second to remove item 3C. Uh, this any discussion on the item? I guess I would ask the same question. Uh, what's the rationale on removing 3C? Um I don't I mean I think the rationale is more related to what the goals of this current meeting are in terms of um doing our board elections and also discussion of boundaries and completed the recommended actions. >> Director Thompson, >> what are we supposed to talk about in section C? Open conversation related to remaining agenda items. what what what are we trying to accomplish in that section? >> It my understanding is it's something just historically that's on this agenda for the organizational meeting. I think it's if they're going to discuss anything about the organizational meeting >> um that you could pick it up there. >> Yeah, I'll vote with that. >> Any other discussion item or All right. If there are none, uh there's been a motion and a second to remove item 3C from the agenda. All those in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? >> All right. It is removed. Any other modifications? There are none. I'd entertain a motion to approve the agenda. >> So moved. >> All right. So first, is there a second? >> Second. >> All right. Any discussion? I'd assume there are none. All right. All those in favor of approval of the agenda as amended, say I. I. I. >> Any opposed? All right. Oh, >> one opposed and it is approved. Uh, moving down to number three, which is organizational prep. Um, do we need any discussion on the roles of the officers? I would assume everyone's pretty familiar with it at this time. If everyone's okay with it, I'd say we skip over it and just get to the election. Is that right? >> There's calendar review. That's part of that item 3B. >> Thank you. Uh, has everyone had a chance to review the calendar? >> Yes, >> Director Cameron. >> Um, yeah, I I have. I think with the calendar, I would appreciate um a conversation around bringing back work sessions for the first meeting of um every month starting in February. Um I kind of looked at every um school district in our conference and then many of the peers that we often talk about at this table and every single school district has a work session. I think um we would benefit from um having deeper conversation about some of these issues such as boundaries um in a format like that. Um and so that I would I would be interested in thinking about that for future meetings. And you're just talking about the style of the meeting, how it's conducted, right? Because a work session is still a board meeting, correct? Okay. Um I guess my question if it's calendar review, um is everyone okay with the dates that we have on the calendar? And for 2020, and if you're looking on the 2025 or 2026 calendar, um I'd be in favor of moving the December 22nd date a week earlier. If anybody would entertain that, >> I would entertain that. All right. >> It's pretty close to the holiday. >> Um, >> do we do we want to do the same for November 24th? Do like when do we have day days off? Wait, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Move it to the 17th. >> So, 24th to the 17th. >> Yeah. for November. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I was just think it's Thanksgiving and I don't know if go out of town or not. Um does that give enough time for the district to >> get their books together for regular business financial approval the 17th and the 15th? >> I mean I guess we we this is a long enough runway. I think you'd probably be all right for those respective months. >> 11 months to figure it out. >> All right. Um, yeah. Uh, to the extent there's a motion needed. I think we actually discuss it later. Um, but yeah, I'd move to what's that? >> Are you talking about the set board meeting? >> Yeah, board meeting schedule under 5A. So, I would just recommend those changes once we get there. So any other comments, changes on the calendar? >> Yep. >> All right. If there's none, move on to election of the officers. Uh we'll start with the chair. Um nominations are now in order for the chair position. Um I'll open it up if anybody has a nomination. Director Thompson. Uh, >> I nominate Matt Swanson for chair. >> Are there any other nominations? >> Director Anderson, >> I will nominate Amber Cameron for chair. >> Any other nominations? Any other nominations? I believe I'm supposed to ask three times. Any other nominations? Uh, if there are none, I don't know that we have somebody to do a roll call vote, but >> I have to do it. >> Okay, you got it. >> Do you have the list or >> Mhm. >> All right. I'll call a roll call vote for the nomination of the chair. Paul Paul Carbone, >> Matt Swanson, >> Tony Reichenberger, >> Amber Cameron, >> Amber Cameron, >> Amber Cameron, Matt Swanson. >> Oh, I guess I'll vote for myself. >> Okay, >> I have to call in myself. Kim Baker, I vote for Amber. Brian Thompson, >> Matt Swanson, >> Carly Anderson, >> Amber Cameron. >> All right, with the votes, four votes for Amber Cameron. She is now the new chair. >> Uh, we'll do a switch over. >> Amber will take over for the vice chair. >> Should we do vice chair? >> We'll do like a twominute recess as we switch spots. She does vice chair. >> She does vice chair. Okay. not recess. >> No. >> Okay, perfect. All right. Um, we'll move to uh vice chair. Um, is there anyone who would like to make a nomination for the position of vice chairperson? Paul. >> Yeah. Brian Thompson. >> Brian Thompson. >> Any other nominations? Tony. >> I nominate Carly Anderson. >> Great. Are there any other nominations for vice chair? Any other nominations for vice chair? And any other nominations for vice chair? >> All right, clerk. Um, acting clerk, will you please take the roll call? Paul Carbone >> Brian Thompson >> Kim Baker Carly Carly Anderson >> Carly Anderson >> Amber Cameron >> Carly Anderson Tony Reichenberger >> Carly Anderson >> Brian Thompson >> Brian Thompson >> Matt Swanson >> uh Brian Thompson. >> All right, great. Uh four to three. Um, Karly Anderson will serve as the vice chair for calendar year 2026. >> All right. U, moving on to the next position of clerk. Um, is there anyone who would like to make a nomination for clerk? Uh, Tony, >> I nominate Kim Baker. Are there any other nominations for clerk? >> Brian, >> I'll nominate myself. >> Great. >> Are there any other nominations for clerk? And then are there any other nominations for clerk? All right. Acting clerk, will you please take the roll call for the vote? >> Matt Swanson. I'll >> go Brian Thompson. >> Brian Thompson. >> Brian Thompson. Tony Reichenberger, >> Kim Baker, >> Carly Anderson, Kim Baker, >> Paul Carbone, >> Matt Swanson. >> Um, he wasn't a nominee. >> Oh, >> I appreciate that, Paul. I apologize. That's all right. But that's where I want it. >> Okay. So, what's your vote? >> Um, >> okay. >> Okay. >> Amber Cameron. >> Uh, Kim Baker. >> Kim Baker. I'll vote for Kim. >> Great. Um, that is a vote of four to three with Kim Baker elected to serve in the clerk role for calendar year 2026. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY, MOVING ON TO the final role of treasurer. Is there anyone who would like to make a nomination for the position of treasurer? Uh, Carly, >> I will nominate Tony Reikenberger. >> Okay, any other nominations for treasure? Any other nominations for treasure? Any other nominations for treasure? We are required to ask it three times. So, all right, great. Um well hearing no other nominations, Carly or sorry um uh Tony Reen Burker is appointed as treasurer for 2026 by acclamation. Congratulations. All right. Uh before we move on to um the the other recommended actions for today, I just want to take a moment to thank everyone on the board um both outgoing and incoming officers and all of the members for the time that you all dedicate to these roles and serving on this board. I know many of us are working parents and this role requires um all of us to be pulled away from our professional and personal lives on a pretty consistent basis. Um, and so I deeply appreciate the commitment that everyone sitting at this table has to our role and to our school district. So, thank you, Dr. Thompson. >> Yeah, I just want to uh second that. I I do appreciate the the the leadership and also the facilitation that both the chair and the vice chair uh contributed to this year. We went through quite a variety of different topics. Uh we made it through uh and now we're in a position where uh we're moving move forward with 2026. So, thank you for all of your efforts. >> Great. Thanks, Director Thompson. All right. Now, moving to item number five on our agenda. Um it's a set of recommended actions. Uh the things under this um list are um things that school districts in the state are required to approve every uh calendar year. And so bear with us as we go through go through this list of items. Um so the first thing to um to approve is our meeting schedule. So, I'd be interested in um entertaining a motion to approve uh the proposed meeting schedules with the two changes that we discussed of moving the November meeting to um the second November meeting to the 17th and the second December meeting to the 15th. Can I get a motion? >> I would move to approve the proposed meeting schedule with the adjustments to the December 22nd to December 15th, 2026 and November 24th to November 17th of 2026. >> Wonderful. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Okay, great. Um the motion's been um motioned motion by Matt, seconded by Tony. Is any conversation? >> Um I just want to add that the 917 board has not met for the organizational meeting yet. That happens next week. So there may need to be some changes or at least adjustment of times for some of those meetings to accommodate that schedule. Um, and then I just wanted to ask a question about the work sessions and if you wanted to do that, um, or what the process was because when we did that in the past, we had like every other week we had like two meetings a month and then the first one was a work session and then the one at the end of the month was a board meeting and they were also at different times just to allow for like more time for conversation. So like the work session started at 6:00 and then the board meetings started at 7 because we were doing all our discussion as part of the work session. So we didn't need as much time at a board meeting. So I don't know as we're talking about board meeting schedule if that's something that needs to be discussed at this time but I thought I would bring it up. >> I think um my my response to that is I think we could keep the schedule as is. I think both in considering um staff schedules but also just to maintain a consistent schedule for community to keep it at six o'clock um unless um we need to change it for some outstanding reason like on 917 or um uh uh when um townships and things have elections, we'll need to move the schedule. Um but in terms of the format, I think we're able to change format based on the needs of the particular meeting date. Are we considering adding any sort of board development sessions on a regular basis or those are added as needed? >> I believe those will be added as needed as well. >> Y any other discussion on this item? >> Okay, hearing none. Um all those in favor say I. >> I opposed. >> All right. Motion passes. The second item for recommended action is to set the compensation for board members for 2026. Um the proposal is to continue with the same um compensation as 2025 with $6,750 annually um allocated to each board member with the chair receiving a $600 stipend. Could I get a motion to approve? >> I move to approve. >> Great. A sec. Anyone that would like to second? >> I'll second >> and discussion. Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> All right. Motion passes. Um the third item is to consider the designation of the official school district publication. Um continuing with Sun this week for calendar year 2026. Um if I can get a motion to um designate the Sun This Week as the official newspaper of the district. So moved. >> I'll go with first with um Director Swanson, followed by Chair Baker. >> I think this is our only option in the district. So I'd move to approve sun this week as our uh school district publication for 2026. >> Great. Thank you. Seconded by um Kim. Any other discussion besides this is our only option, which I agree. >> All right. All those in favor say I. >> I opposed. Great. Uh the fourth um item, letter D, is to consider our legal council. Um this is uh consistent with what um the legal um council that we use for 2025. And so um the units that or the the offices that we're wanting to approve are Squires, Waldsberger, and Mace, Ratwork, Rosac, and Maloney, and Kennedy and Graven. Um I think I'll just make a point that I've learned over the last year that the reason we have multiple law firms um assisting us at times is due to the the nature of particular lawsuits. So some specialize in um things where others specialize in others. And so depending upon um what the what the suit against the district is, we would um utilize the particular uh law firm. Um so with that um uh can I get a motion to approve? >> So moved. >> Um motion by um Carly. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Seconded by Matt. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> All those opposed. All right. Motion passes 70. Uh moving on to letter E. Um there's a a variety of things here. I would like us to consider uh approving all of the items under um all the sub items under letter E. Um and this has to do with related business function. So, this is um designating our official depository for uh the district, authorizing the executive director of business um to to use um uh signatures for checks, authorizing the superintendent or the executive director of business to make um short-term investments. um to authorize the superintendent and executive director of business to lease, purchase, and contract goods and services within the general budget and to authorize the superintendent of executive director of business utilize wire transfers of investments and payments. >> I'll make a motion to approve all sub items under E. >> Great. Um is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Is that a second, Brian, or is that just a wave? >> That was a wave. >> Okay. Seconded by Tony. Okay, great. Um, all those in favor? >> I I >> opposed. >> All right. Motion passes 70. That concludes all of the recommended actions. Correct. Did I miss any? There's a lot of text here. Okay, >> great. Um, well, with that, then we'll move to district presentation about boundaries. Um, so with that, um, I think just a couple of, um, things to mention as we consider this. Um tonight um will be the second discussion that the board has had regarding proposed changes to the boundaries. Um last month at our December 16th meeting, we discussed um a first draft. At that meeting on December 16th, um both from intake from community members, but also from members of the board. Um we made suggestions and um asked questions to potentially come back with a revised draft. And so tonight, I believe that we're going to hear an updated plan from the district that will address um whether or not some of those concerns made sense um to be accommodated for new boundaries given um the growth of the district. The goal is to minimize boundary changes in the near future and to um kind of set ourselves up for the for the growing district in the future so that um fewer kids will have to be moved in the future. What I would like to do um in this role is to hold all questions until the end of the presentation. Um, I think sometimes I'm guilty of this. I ask questions and it's um will be answered later in in a presentation. And so as um Director Yoho is going through this, if you could take notes on your questions and then if they're unressed during um the presentation, we can get to those at the end and also during discussion. Um and then just to set out um the superintendent and executive staff have um ideally given us a goal to make a vote on changes to the boundaries by January 13th. Um, what I would like the board to do as we listen to the presentation tonight, um, and through our discussion is to consider what are the things each of us need to know and or um, what changes would we like to see in order to move us towards a decision. Um, and so each of us might have different um, perspectives on that, but I think that's that's what our district needs to hear from us is what what are what do we need to know and um, what changes are we interested in entertaining. So with that, I'll turn it over um to you, Director Yoho for the presentation. Thank you. >> Thank you, chair. Appreciate the uh introduction. Chair Cameron, fellow director, superintendent, members of the community. Lucas Yoho, executive director of operations. Back again for another riveting round of attendance area alignment. Okay, I got to make sure I'm running the right clicker here. Okay, so here's our agenda today. So we'll go over briefly requested decisions by uh the school board uh just to make sure that we are framed correctly. Uh briefly review the planning timeline and attendance area objectives and planning criteria. Again, no change to these. Uh but just to frame for the community, maybe their first time uh listening in so they can see how we got to where we are. Um and then I'll go over the plan overview which is the adjustments that were requested based on the 11 December uh school board meeting. Okay. So request of schoolboard decision. So on the 13th we're requesting uh to approve really what we call echo one the elementary school attendance area and mic one the middle school attendance area. Uh, I've also presented mic 2, but that is for the fall of 28. Um, and we're not requesting a decision at this time, but it helps frame why we got to mic one. Uh, so you can kind of see the logical sequence of that. I think that'll be helpful. So again, echo one and mic one is what we're requesting. Of course, if there's any revisions based on the discussion tonight, we'll do that and have that ready for the 13th of January. Okay. Okay. So, attendance align area alignment process. Uh here we this uh evening we had a community community community information session uh with our community members at Kinwood Trail. That went very well. And again, we're here at the school board meeting for a discussion. Kind of our second uh iteration uh of attendance area alignment and then on the 13th of January requesting that school board decision. Uh as I discussed last time, that school board decision on 13th of January is important. uh that'll allow the enrollment team and human resources to roll over that uh our our our enrollment into the next year and so we can make good staffing uh decisions and set conditions for our schools uh now. So as we go through that hiring process for candidates, we get the best candidates possible. Uh so that's kind of why uh 13 January is uh super important. Again, here's our attendance area alignment objectives. We want to ensure room for long-term growth. Uh we want to mitigate uh future attendance area changes by aligning initial occupancy with the expected rate of growth. Uh I during the 11 December meeting, I kind of demonstrated where our areas of growth are and what schools are aligned to that and then how we you know establish that initial occupancy. We want to do that so that we can, you know, mitigate those future or frequent attendance area changes. Uh number two, we want to maintain a diverse uh and balanced student body. Uh you know, statute requires that we do that. And then it's good for our schools to have a well balanced and diverse student body. Uh so we want to make sure that we're doing that. And then number three, maintaining our daily desired experiences, ensuring our students and staff have the space they need to achieve academic excellence for both our students and then as well as our teachers. And I think that uh the recommendations we're going to we're bringing forward to you achieve all of these objectives. Okay. Here is the attendance area alignment criteria for the elementary schools. Again, high growth uh potential is 65 to 70%. Low growth uh potential areas are 75 to 80%. Again, we want to maintain all of the social economic diversity. We want to manage redu or mitigate movement of special education. Uh and then we want to make sure that we are uh not moving students to the greatest extent possible and making sure our housing subdivisions stay together. Again, all that is around keeping our attendance areas connected uh and logical. Okay, middle schools, no change other than we did a a bit of a two-step process here uh to try to provide some relief. Uh as I've discussed in the previous meeting, we know that our middle school has kind of a two-part problem, if you will, capacity as well as concentration. So, we want to try to provide some relief to CMS uh in that regard. especially as we go through the bond referendum uh process and then as that gets approved uh that we have the space uh to to conduct uh you know uh our construction and whatnot and and be able to uh ensure that our students have the space they need uh until that capacity is built. Okay. So, we we were asked to make some some refinements to the attendance areas. Really where the focus last last time was around multiple movers. Uh, and I'll kind of demonstrate that in a couple slides, but we did that. Um, and if you look to the left there, 2627 unchanged. So, if we do nothing, this is what the elementary school projected enrollment will look like. And as you can see there with high view, it continues to climb up to 107 uh percent there. So continues to be a problem if we don't do anything. Um proposed elementary attendance area echo one. We've been able to balance that out uh mitigate some of the multiple movers and I'll demonstrate that in a minute. But you can see here we have it well balanced and then we have it also synchronized against our high growth and low growth areas. Our high growth areas being Cherry View Elementary, uh Lake Marian Elementary and High View Elementary. And you can see that 85% buffer there below that. So that's how much space we have to get to 85%. So I think that allows for the expected growth in our high growth areas. And then it also allows some buffer there for unexpected growth uh in our low growth areas. Okay, here is the map, the adjusted map. Um as you can see again, we didn't make wholesale changes in accordance with our criteria. We're trying to minimize move it to the greatest extent possible. Uh however, multiple movers was a point of of concern for the school board. And so we went back and we moved some subdivisions around to try and reduce that. We made a 30% reduction. So we went from I believe it was 228 to 160 on the multiple movers. So we made a lot of headway there. And then we were able to uh reduce the number of total movers by about 70. So really good effort by the attendance area team to adjust those areas. Uh and again I just to highlight for the school board and the community those movers that represents 11% of the elementary students and 5% of the total district population. Um also our demographics we we maintain those within the prescribed tolerances uh for this uh version of the attendance area. Okay. So here is the middle school what we'd call mic one. This is for the school year 26 to 27. Again, if you leave uh the attendance series as is and you make no change, the uh charts the the graph bar graph to your left is what you get. Uh Century Middle School above 100%. So that is is not good at all. And then you see a bit of a concentration issue with uh Century Middle School be there in the northeast of our district. and then as it goes to us KTMS and then Maguire less and so you see a little bit of an imbalance there. So again we went through and we adjusted the attendance area from the 11 December version. Uh and this is uh what we got here. Uh again not ideal but we also understand that our capacity of each of our middle schools is not ideal. Uh we're addressing that through middle school expansion and a bond referendum. Uh but until that passes, this uh is the best version to manage that population uh until that capacity is um achieved in the fall of 2028. Uh we did attempt to get Kinwood Trail down to 80% or between 80 and 85%. uh and make just one move you irrespective of the capacity issue. What that did however was bring Maguire and Century Middle School way above uh 100%. Uh and I think that you know that is unsuitable in terms of a course of action uh especially given you know that we're going to have construction going on uh during those two years. So to ask those two schools to go above 100% and then you know also construction is just it's just not feasible uh to do that. So we went with a two-step um um proposal here. Um and I'll go to that one and I'll show you the maps here in a minute. Um so here's Mike too. Again, we're not asking for approval, but I want you to see how it'll kind of, you know, work out with the new capacity and then how the maps will work out as well. So we put in the new capacities for each of the middle schools on your right hand side there. And so based on the projected enrollment and in 28 you and you have new capacity at Century and Magguire Middle School, this is what you'll get. Um the 85% buffer there. That's uh that's an error that's incorrect. Uh but we can do the math. will have roughly 250 uh available at CMS given an 85% buffer as an example. So that's I apologize that's incorrect. What's important to note here is that our schools will be well balanced. We'll have a lot of capacity in our high growth areas of Century Middle School and Maguire. Uh and then you know our low growth area there in the middle of our district uh Kenwood Trail uh they will be stable at around 85% and again as we get closer to the fall of 28 we can make some uh further refinements to mike 2 to make sure that Kinwood trail is not uh exceeding 85%. Okay. Okay. So here is I kind of put mic one and mic two together so you can kind of see it again. Mike one there on your left for 2627. We uh you know really tried to emulate a little bit Lakeville uh South High School's attendance area. You know try to emulate and match it uh to Meuire Middle School so we can maintain a you know that um that path if you will. And so we did an initial um you know kind of movement up there towards the west of Kinwood Trail. We left Legacy and and Baris Ridge and Kinwood Trail. Um just again trying to minimize movements here and multiple movers and such. Again, we have really no multiple movers per se, but we do have nine that are going to return to their original school. Again, that's uh very low in terms of total students uh middle schoolers and in the district. And then our demographics um are within prescribed tolerance. Now, if you look at Mike 2 over there, 2028, you can really just see that we kind of move up, continue to move up to the north uh and west, that kind of uh we adjust our capacity or an enrollment, excuse me, our enrollment with Meguire Middle School to kind of help KTMS get down into the 85% range. And so, you know, M1 looks the way it does because M2 is like the ultimate goal, if you will. And again, not chiseled in stone. We'll have to make some adjustments probably based on actual enrollments as we get closer to 28 and 29. >> Ask a question this one. >> Go ahead, Brian. >> Yeah. So, I'm trying to understand the logic of M2 because you're you've got Burnsville kids needing to go all the way south east to go to middle school. And so, I see a blue. Why don't we just go up in in the uh the tan color and so I I don't understand. You know what I mean? >> Right. So >> like why why are we making Burnsville kids go so far? >> Well, that >> they should be going to Kenwood, >> right? So that that looks that kind of emulates the Lakeville South High School attendance area for the most part. And so the travel time would roughly be the same. It's a it's Magguire is a little bit further out, but not by much. And so that's that's kind of the reasoning. If we try to orient the other way, then we're going to be moving a lot more students. So we wanted to minimize the the number of students that we're moving. Now, to your point, we may have to take, you know, Baris Ridge and Legacy, for example, may have to go to Meguire Middle School in 2028, just depending on how enrollment uh plays out. >> All right. I mean, it's the same in M1. I mean, I I see the tan color and they should be going to Meguire or they should they could be going to Kenwood. And then for those on the far right hand side, like there's that blue strip. Like again, this goes back to philosoph philosophically as a board. Do we want to have folks to go to school geographically logical and and I don't know. All right, I'll pause. I know we're supposed to wait for ahead. >> I think you're on I think having discussion on that would be important, but let's finish the presentation. >> Okay. Um, I think that actually finishes the presentation. Um, so Director Thompson was right on point. >> All right. >> Pending your questions, ladies and gentlemen. >> All right. Yeah, Matt. >> And I can go back slides if you >> sure need >> unless somebody has a question relating to director Thompson's question. I had something different. >> All right. Looking at the elementary boundaries, um, is Ritter Meadows is that in is that in Lake View Elementary? >> Ritter Meadows. Is that in Lake View? >> Mhm. >> Um, that is >> It looks like it from my map. >> Yeah. >> Let me see here. >> Because if I'm looking at the numbers, this is why I ask. If I'm looking at the numbers right now, Lake View has a total school capacity of 700. We're at 566 right now. So, if you add 34 kids to that school, it's going to be at 85%. Um, Ritter Meadows has 29 single family homes and 148 town homes. Some of which I think are already built if I'm not mistaken. >> Um, are we not going to run into 85 90% real fast if that >> Rder Meadows is in Lake Marian? Uh, Ritter Meadows is I think it's actually in >> is in Ritter Meadows is >> so that line I think comes down there. >> Oh, it's the new >> It might be actually I don't know if it's actually in Oak Lake. >> Look at mine. >> Yeah, we can we can go back and look at Ritter Meadows if that's >> Well, then we have the same issue. Do we have a an idea of when Leonard's Spirit is going to come on board and start building homes? Uh they said that their first homes would come around 2027 28. >> Okay. >> And they're only planning to do I mean I I think it's a little bit aggressive. They said it was a 100 homes but part of those are town homes apartments and part of those are single family. I haven't seen like the actual schedule yet and it's over 10 years. >> Do we do we know how many homes are left in Ritter Meadows to be built? >> I do not. I'd have to go back and check. other. Yeah, >> yeah, I was concerned about that development just in terms of I know I went to the community presentation and I know that the goal is to not have to do adjustments for some time. So, that area does have me concerned. The other piece is the encla enclave and preserve area that's in um East View territory that has it says approved, but I I know that I drive past there every day. There's at least two homes there now being developed. And so that is 49 single family homes. And currently the um East View has space for 49 students before they're at capacity. So that's some of this is just I want to make sure me personally, it sounds like others too, want to make sure that we're fully considering the growth that's coming. Um I have another question, but that's >> And what was the first you you mentioned a first >> River Meadows, >> River Meadows as well as um the >> 185th. >> Oh, Enclave and Preserve. >> Oh, just those two. >> Well, the other one is the big one that is the Leonard Spirit. >> Okay. That's the one that is not really going to be 800 single family homes right away, but it's going to take some time to develop. And so, um, I did have a question of how we're considering kind of Lake View. I know the we've talked about this in terms of expected decline in enrollment based on current, >> but that's a huge development coming and so yeah, >> other questions or concerns? >> Yeah, just Brian. >> Yeah. So, uh, I'm looking at the the proposed map, uh, in the High View area, and, uh, I know that we've gotten some emails about Summerland and Crest Ridge not being included. How many students are part of Summer Ridge and Crest Crescent Ridge? Cuz I know they go to school at High View right now. >> I'll have to get that exact number, but it's very dense. It's It's probably in the order of hundreds. >> Hundreds. Okay. >> It's like I was very surprised. That's why the High View Elementary uh tenants area is very small because it's very dense in there. Uh and then even there's even you know we left some space for for future development. So the Summerland Choke Cherry all that you know right it's very very dense. >> So yeah because you have 477 currently in uh allocated to that school district or that district I'm sorry that school uh and we're projected at 68.1% capacity. And and so there there is a section north of High View and it is in the uh Pinnacle Reserve uh area and there is like uh there's a chunk that that was previously I believe High View and then we're moving them to Cherry View and so what if we ended up like making a diagonal line across because there's a bunch of trees and forests or whatever in between that >> we in terms terms of so that that's a point of contention. It comes back to like what is a neighborhood? Y >> and in order to maintain a level of objectivity um we use the Dakota County uh subdivision plots and we move subdivisions and so we're not arbitr there's no oh well you didn't that's not my neighborhood my neighborhood is this plus three extra homes. we move subdivisions so it maintains a level of objectivity um you know in in >> we can't use that argument because there's other subdivisions that we're moving and cutting in half like I'm looking here AC even the left of that there's what Rose Creek is that an area is that is that a subdivision >> yeah so you a a lot of times what we think is a subdivision you'll have multiple subdivisions in what we'll say the pinnacle you know uh neighborhood there'll be multiple subdivisions in there >> but geographically we We're we're cutting cut. We're we're moving kids out of High View and sending them to Cherry View. And then their neighbors across the street are going to >> Right. Because they're a diff they're a different subdivision. And if we if we're start slicing subdivisions and taking portions of kids >> Yeah. >> then that's that's going to create more. >> Well, it's not illegal. Um, but that was kind of part of the problem with last week was the whole Chuck Cherry neighborhood. And so we blocked that together to make sure that was together. But you there's so many kids in there, you can't take part of a subdivision. And so that's why we're taking, you know, that that upper section that you just alluded to to keep the numbers balanced, >> right? I mean, you've got the hidden so to make sure we're on the same page, we've got Hidden Creek, 182nd Street West in High View. And so that whole section is divided against uh from the other side of the div of the subdivision. And will that reallocate? >> Those are separate subdivisions in there. >> The 182nd Street West and Hidden Creek Trail is that one because you've got a I don't know if you can zoom in or or not. >> I'm not here >> again. So the the whole purpose is that you've got folks above them that are, you know, literally neighbors with their backyard going that was that were previously going to High View now going to Cherry View, >> right? >> And with a new design, uh, you've got the neighbor across the street saying, "All right, you get to stay in High View and the others going to Cherry View." So what I'm recommending is that I would rather see that division because there's a creek that goes right across the very top to let them continue to go to Cherry View. Uh, or let them go to Cherry View. So you've got that whole section of that neighborhood block going in that direction. >> So you want to you want to remove the criteria of keeping subdivisions together. >> Yes. If that because it makes logical sense that they stay within that. That's my recommendation. I don't know if you guys I'm I'm just looking at the map. >> How do other people feel about that? >> I mean I'd be interested in seeing where the numbers are if we were to move that >> again. It's whole portion back to >> at the end of the day. It's all it's less about the map and it's more about the occupancy of each school and making sure it's balanced. And we get that number by moving discrete subdivisions and now we're not arbitrarily, >> you know, making, you know, neighborhoods if >> Yeah. But what about 194th Street West? I mean, I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> No, >> I don't want to cut this conversation off. I think you're asking a question that's more philosophical about subdivisions that we should think about. But Paul, why don't we move to your >> Yeah, please. Thank you. Um, Lucas, I know nobody has a crystal ball, but what confidence level do we have in in these models that they're going to last for a year, two years, three years? I mean, what peace of mind can we give parents that we're not going to jockey kids around all the time? We we want to establish our attendance areas for long-term stability uh in the district. Given the information that we have today and knowing that the enrollment is variable and we don't control that variable, we will not make and we don't intend to make attendance area adjustments unless it's necessary for the well-being of the schools, the students, and the staff. I have high confidence that this proposal solves that problem. >> For roughly how long? I can't I'm not going to I I won't put I I won't put a I won't put a timeline because I can't control the variables of who moves into what neighborhood when and where. >> Right. And I understand that. Now I've given you enough I've given enough buffer I've given enough buffer here to account for that right and at the same time there's always the possibility that we'll have a large influx for reasons uncontrollable or unknown to us. >> Superintendent BMA were you did you want to say something to that? I I was just going to make the point that what we do know um is if you look on on the left hand side, we know that the high view opening problem persists and will continue to persist um unless we balance out our schools. I think Director Thompson made this point last year and continues to make the point. Um the degree of confidence is is uh based on the numbers that we have and how growth occurs uh in those areas. And I I we've done all I know how to do to try to uh assess that uh enrollment numbers. we we got three sources u to vet that. Um so I I mean I would agree that this is the this is a plan that can accomplish the objective of creating the conditions for stability. You know do you say 24 months 36 months um you know that's what we would like in our system. Uh there's also the middle school situation and um managing the growth there with the fourth grade class is going to metriculate uh forward. Um but I think the other conversation we've had uh and and I haven't lost sight of is the the even bigger longer term facilities uh capacity for our school system. Um and and that's got to get tackled. These are the things that are condition setters to make that happen with the fidelity that our community expects. Um other if we don't do this uh and and the chart on the right get those numbers and those percentages of occupancy uh in some fashion similar to what you're looking at in that picture and why I think the conversation's about refinement within that picture. um we will be chasing our tail and doing this iteratively each and every school year which I think is not uh serving our community. >> Kim and then Carly then Matt. >> I just wanted to ask a question related to Director Thompson's uh proposal to um remove the criteria of keeping subdivisions together. I think part of the reason that you're trying to keep the subdivisions together is to um help the transportation costs. Is that correct? Because we do have a very hefty transportation cost because our district is so big. So the the more we can help with those parts too, like I I guess I'm just curious as to what the impact with that would be. >> That's part of it, but lesser to a lesser degree. We've we've had Schmidian and Sons in in on the conversations and the proposals and they don't see uh any reason why they can't maintain the the current quantity of buses um and routes. So that's the the busing issues is really not an issue per se. Um again it's it's really about you know where you move one neighborhood then you got to move another neighborhood to compensate for that. And the other thing we're we're trying to do is again it goes back to the you know being very objective about when we do a move it's a subdivision and there's no we we get a lot of emails about my neighborhood and and that neighborhood is spans their basically their circle of friends if you will right and and how do you you can't manage the each of that so the best way for our team to do that is like okay hey if we have to make a move and gain some some percentage vantage points in one school. We move subdivisions and we kind of look to do that in a logical and connected way. And using subdivision just helps us to make sure we capture everybody in that particular area. And it's the most objective way to do it because the if you try to define, you know, neighborhood, you'll get you ask five people, you get five different definitions of what a neighborhood is. And so that's kind of how we we went with subdivision. just helps our me and the analyst kind of to do that. >> Right, Carly? Okay, I have two questions, thoughts. Um, I am wondering about High View um being considered a um in terms of capacity just the need is going to continue just with how this current map is made up because High View is surrounded. And so is it the case that as new developments come on board then this becomes now non-ontiguous? >> No, they will always be logical and connected. Uh >> at this point high view is surrounded. So that's >> that's right. That's right. So then the developments in High View's attendance area, they will go to High View. And if they Oops. And if they don't if they're in in Cherry View, that's another high growth area where there's a lot of empty space. those developments will go to Cherry View. Now, if there's a case where um a you know, the builder decides to make a a development right down the middle of a boundary, then we'll have to make that, but we'll make that change. But there will be no students there, right? Because they haven't built the the subdivision yet. So, then we can adjust um either High View or Cherry Views uh attendance area. I think that's what you're trying to get at. Well, because I'm just looking at what what the plans are for what's coming in the boundary of High View >> and it's just one development that's currently being developed. >> Well, >> currently, right, in in terms of platted and and approved and things like that, but there are other areas out there that are just farmland. And when we talk to our we talk to our Lakeville, they're like, "Oh, yes, eventually this is kind of, you know, earmarked to be a development once the Musa gets approved, etc., etc." And so we take that into account as well, that we know that that is coming at some juncture. We just don't see it uh formally in some type of, you know, application to the city, but we know based on conversations that that those things are going to happen. everything you know along the CE cedar corridor that is getting developed right it's just a matter of time and so we've accounted for that >> okay yeah I mean I guess I'm sorry can I go one I mean the other I I want to I guess reflect on we've received a lot of emails um about people who are in established neighborhoods getting moved and how it feels like we're not prior or we're prioritizing new developments over kids who are here currently >> um And that's I mean I think that's something what I appreciate is we're trying to create something that makes sense and that we don't have to shift. And I think there's also feels like there's this reality of ongoing growth in Lakeville that we can't control. And so the only thing I would ask our board to consider is you know and I'm not necessarily I'm just I want to kind of put everything on the table like we have set this kind of contiguous boundary goal and at the same time we went a long time without having to make boundary adjustments by being non-ontiguous and did that work out? So I guess me as a board member, what I would want to know is fi from a financial perspective, have we saved on busing to the degree that it really makes sense to try to keep after chasing after these con, you know, contiguous lines when maybe it does make sense to go with the economy and as neighborhoods are coming in, where do we have room for them? And that way we aren't impacting our current residents. Um I I know that that has been put forth as like that was a problem this patchwork situation but we had years and years without boundary adjustments and so it's painful to go through this. So I superintendent >> the only the one thing I'll just say to that we went years and years without um growth. We closed the elementary school because we were losing enrollment and then we built a new school. So those things when you put another school into the system you have to take the the corrective adjustment or you will be doing boundary adjustments iteratively annually. Um, so I I appreciate what you're saying, uh, Director Anderson, and and if the direction of the board was to just take each development and move it where it needs to go, then all the arguments about, well, I'm driving right past two elementary schools to get to a third. All those other kinds of things come into play. So that gets very difficult, especially on scale. And I just want to tell everybody, we're going to continue to grow. It's it's not just now. We have to be thinking about what do we look like 10 years from now? What do we look like 15 years from now? And how do we mitigate that? Um, and that's I live in the community. So I I absolutely empathize with the situation and I I'll go back to high view scenario had to be at 65 or 70% that did not occur not impuging that but we have to correct that in order to set the condition for the future of our community and Elco new market will start to grow too. Um, I know today it doesn't feel like it and and sitting here today it doesn't feel like it, but it will. >> Um, because it necessarily has to as as uh the economy improves, we're going to be dealing with some challenges here on the pace of growth as well. And you know, the other thing I'll say too is our teachers have to have right-sized classrooms and that's not occurring right now. And I would just ask everybody to think about that element of it too. And then and that goes to the quality of education to our students and what environment they have. I think there's safety and security issues that are real in my mind, not just for our staff but for our kids. And um it's painful. It's very very painful and I feel it every single day. But I also want to know want everybody to understand that we have to we have to get to a reset. If we don't do the condition setting now, we're going to be back here next year having the same conversation. So, and and not to the betterment of our our teachers and our our students. So, >> Matt and then Brian. >> Yeah. Just two things. I mean, one from a timing perspective. Um I agree with what Carly's saying. I mean, we're getting emails that are bringing up ideas that, you know, I had not thought of when looking at the map. Um, and I'm I'm curious as the community continues to, you know, become aware of this and point things out how many more options we might have. Um, but then getting more specifically back to the map and talking what Brian was talking about back on uh this neighborhood that's I don't know if it's Summers Creek, it's north of it's like 180th and north. Um, it was High View, now it's going to Cherry View. Uh I understand the need to leave space at both of those schools, but if we're essentially I mean Cherry View wraps around as projected it wraps around High View right now >> and if we're just swapping kids back and forth between the two and the total population between those two schools is the same, you know, do we really want to as a board be moving kids out of Cherry View or out of High View to go to Cherry View when the capacity for those two combined schools is still the same? you know, especially when you have a big area on the the southwest side of High View and and again, I know we'll run into this argument that, hey, I can see High View from my kitchen window, but still then we're not moving a whole neighborhood. You know, that area could be reassigned to Cherry View. Cherry View already wraps around the west side of it and the south side of it. Um, so I'd be curious to see what the numbers are if we moved that neighborhood back. Um, >> which neighborhood? >> Summers Creek. >> Summers Creek. Well, it's part of Summers Creek and and developments. I mean, developments are developments. People come in and buy them. You know, they plat them differently. So, it's not a development isn't always a neighborhood. So, I think we have to be careful with how we're using it. Um because there is, you know, a pretty good divide right down the middle of Summers Creek. What is this road? Hamburg. Hamburg Avenue. You know, where it divides what we're using as Cherry View versus High View. Ryan, uh, >> can we can can you get on the internet and just go on the interactive map area? I think it would be good to just visually see >> what I've seen. I don't know if you have the if you can do that or if you can share. You can't share. Okay. >> All right. >> Can I interject here with that? >> Um, I'm wondering I understand the deadline of January 13th. I'm wondering because we haven't had an opportunity to to do exactly what you're saying, Brian, to to sit down as a group and and zoom in and out. And if we had a work session on the 13th followed by a vote at the end of the January meeting, could that I feel like that would help all of us kind of understand the maps better, look at um how these neighborhoods are are currently suggested to um to move and also um I think having the conversation about like this would be the the map going forward, but how are we also thinking about accommodating ing current students um with interd district transfer and you know thinking about that. So I'm I'm wondering if the board is interested in postponing a decision just for two weeks um so that we can have a work session to do what you're talking about Brian. >> Yeah. Like I'm fine with Friday. Let's like order some pizza and just map it out. I mean I don't need a whole week. Superintendent, how would that um accommodate? >> I would prefer to have a work session tomorrow >> or the next day or Saturday or Sunday >> um in order to do all all that we can to uh stick with January 13th. Um just because now we're getting into the the the whole effort. Uh, another challenge the board gave us to optimize our staffing process for the district and I would like to remain faithful and fidelity to that. Um, but I'm happy to do a work session and I'm I'm I'm not joking. I'll go Saturday, Sunday, whatever we need to do. Um, I think sooner than later is is um what I would recommend having been asked that question. >> Yeah. I mean, whenever we do it, I just want to make sure that we have the capacity that if we say, "Hey, how many kids are in this neighborhood, you know, this elementary school neighborhood," that we'd be able to pull that up. >> Um because again, if we're talking, we want to do this quickly. >> We will do that. >> Um >> that means the board is doing staff work and that >> Well, that that's okay. We're we're fine with Yeah. And I appreciate the complexity of this and I know you guys have gone through a lot of iterations and I I do think it helps the community to see that you've gone through a lot of iterations and how complex it is. So it doesn't seem like we're just rushing to a decision here. >> Well, and >> Okay, >> Brian, go ahead. >> And in past from what I from what I recall, it was the board's responsibility to do boundaries. You we were actively involved in in putting it together. They had working sessions in designing it uh in partnership with with the administration. And so uh this is not outside our purview. We live here and we know our neighborhood and we know which ones where it makes sense to make some changes or not. Um I again I think the biggest issue that kind of prompted why we need to do this is High View. It's 106% and so it probably makes sense that we start there to make sure that whatever design we end up putting together uh is is at the capacity level where where it's at. I think where I would feel the most comfortable with high view. Again, my recommendation is that in the pinnacle reserve uh area there is a diagonal cut line that uh in the previous boundary design they were going to high view and the new one half of that is going up to Cherview. Make that continue going to Cher make the bottom half go to Cherry View. That would I think allow us to maybe absorb >> uh where Crescent Ridge was at. And so and then now the question is is that there's a little part of Cresston Ridge way down the bottom that is zoned to Lake Mary and that doesn't make sense. So we should decide if that's going to go um if that should go to Lake Marian or not. But the west side of Cres Crest Ridges Summerland and I think I want I would like to know the numbers of what is that total population look like? And then the last comment that I'll share is that I think director Anderson, you are right. We're we're adding uh we we're adding space or we're we're um proactively making sure we have space for growth. Uh but we don't know if if all that growth is going to come. Uh so on the bottom right hand side of the new high view design, there's that L-shaped block that's pretty much blank. And if there's an opportunity for us to maybe cut half of that uh to, you know, let that go into cherry view, that might be something for consideration. So yes, I am eager. You let me know the date. >> You can order your carbonies. >> I think I can appreciate that because we're having to do this so soon after the the um the boundaries that Brian, Kim, and Carly passed. There's probably a little or yeah, I guess you did not vote in favor, but that that board at the time passed. Um there's a little bit of like worry right here um to make sure that we we get it right as possible. Um and so I I would benefit from a a time where we can zoom in out and and look at numbers. I think one of the things that that was presented at the community session just before this that I would like to examine more is just um in the elementary schools the number of students who are moving to each middle school there. I think you had a slide on the percent and some of them are pretty low and so >> it's in your it's in the infinite campus data viz under split so you can see it's the very same >> it's all it is is a screenshot >> great >> so yep go ahead Brian >> can I um do we need to wait until the 13th do we need all seven of us there to provide input on boundary designs? could three or four meet on a Friday, on a Saturday in preparation to provide uh a 13th deadline uh and then at least three or four of us are aligned and then we can come back and say, "Hey, here's here's a proposal on the 13th." I mean, >> we can do that. >> Anybody else want to do that? >> Can I just understand um Superintendent Bowman? Um sorry. Okay. Um what what happens if we if we meet on the 13th and vote at the end of the month? like what impact does that I know you said you're trying to maintain fidelity but can we just understand like what the actual impact of that change is >> well there's staffing there's registration process uh class size alignment um just a cascading set of things that that we have to deal with um I can give you a the laundry list of that um but it it essentially is um we have to post positions and those postings things are predicated on what our enrollments are going to be in those classrooms. Um it's also being respectful for uh our teachers because as you know when you adjust enrollments you have to move uh teachers. There's a whole uh collective bargaining agreement process associated with that. we uh if the longer we wait to post positions, the more difficult it is uh because people are looking for where they're going to go and what the opportunities are going to be. And I think one of the charges has always been to optimize that. And we spent years and years and years in our district being further to the right on the calendar on that. And uh last year we were able to get to the left on the calendar on that. And it's it's really about that and that process. So, um >> Okay. >> The longer we delay that, the more everything shifts to the right. >> Okay. >> Mr. Cameron, go ahead. M >> when um Brett, >> uh when do we post when would be the first date that you would actually post for positions? >> I don't have that date in my head, but I will get that information to every board member. >> Okay. So, >> so with that, we can have a special session. Superintendent Bowman, is that okay with you? >> That'd be awesome. >> Um, when would we like to schedule this? Um, >> do we have to give it three days notice? >> Three days notice. So, >> Friday. Are people available on >> Friday? >> Friday. >> We don't not everyone has to attend either, but I mean, I think I think the goal is to try to get towards a yes vote on some proposal. So, whoever needs to participate in that to to get there, I think that is helpful. Um, what days can you do >> to give three days notice? >> Yes. >> I have to I mean, is everybody else the bill? I mean, >> we can post it today. So, you got Wednesday, Thursday, and then Friday. And Friday is the third day. So, Friday at 6 p.m. That's my recommendation. >> You're probably not going to post today, though. >> Why not? >> Post it. >> Who's going to do Thursday. >> I can do it Sunday. >> We can get it posted as long as we adjourn before midnight. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um >> I'll be there. >> You can. Okay. Brian, you can do Friday. Paul, how about you? Like a Friday? >> I think so. Yeah. >> Okay. Kim, Tony, Matt, >> possibly. >> Is there a better time for you or is it just kind of Friday nights? I mean, >> no, we just have it. I have something on the calendar already. So, >> same for you. >> Mhm. Send me your >> Could anybody meet earlier on Friday like 3M or >> you know towards the end of No. Okay. >> Trying to Any other suggestions? >> What? >> I I'll be here at 3. >> Well, we should make sure other people are going to be there, too. >> I mean, I I'm I I appreciate if the goal here is to get the vote done on the 13th to support the staff. I can I can certainly rely on my fellow board members to ask the necessary questions. >> Would this benefit you to have a special session? >> Yes. >> Okay. Paul, would this benefit do you feel >> Yeah. I honestly I think Brian really has a lot of knowledge about this and a lot of good ideas. So, I mean, I think Brian should really be the point on this >> or close to the point. >> It's just a draft for you guys to react to. You're you're going to come with a new proposal. >> No. >> Oh, okay. >> Whatever whatever whatever >> whatever comes out of Friday again it's just a draft for the rest of the board to decide on. So again this is >> like for example looking at the new design like I'm not aligned with Cherry View uh with Orchard Lake like half of it cuts Cherry View on the top on on the bottom right like like we're we're cutting that in half. And so we're moving and then we're moving a bunch of folks on the west side of Cherry View. that whole rectangular shape like that doesn't make sense. So, >> yep. Carly. >> Oh, the the only thing I want to reflect on is if we do have a special session, obviously we're hoping that our superintendent and director Yoho can attend that, but there was a whole group of people who worked on this to come to these ideas. And so, do we feel like we have good representation of the committee if we have a special session? Does that make sense what I'm asking? >> Yes, ma'am. We'll make sure the right people are there to support your staff work. >> Chair. >> Yep. >> I was just going to add I mean the other consideration would be I mean you can meet on Friday which I think would be great but if we're still not at a decision on on Tuesday you could always just schedule another special meeting just to vote on this. >> You know if we think we can get there. >> Yep. Okay. >> That's true. Would that be a better option? >> Well you could do both end. I mean, >> what if we had a session on Tuesday? >> What if we had a special session next week to vote, Michael? Unlike Wednesday or Thursday, >> I will work with what I have to here. >> Should we hold our Tuesday meeting, schedule a special session for what day? Wednesday or Thursday? >> I mean, you can meet Friday with whoever can show up and then we can meet Tuesday as well. Mhm. >> Tuesday can be a follow-up working session on what was, >> you know, whatever and then we can set up a vote on >> Okay. >> Kim, >> will Tuesday be formatted as a working session where we can look at the maps and >> it would be if we if if we don't have it be a vote that day. >> So, you want to proceed with Friday? >> What time do you want to start? >> We Friday and Tuesday. >> It is a lot. >> I think we could do just Tuesday work session. vote on Wednesday or Thursday what works best for people >> either. >> I mean, if we can get there, you know, >> I think we have to get there. >> Yeah. >> Wednesday. >> Am I hearing that we're waiting until Tuesday >> to have a work session? >> So, we'll have a work session. >> Correct. So that we all can be in attendance. >> Got it. So, I have seven cooks in the kitchen plus all of the district staff and we'll figure this out. >> Correct. I think that I think I'd phrase it as to go over spec these specific questions so that we feel comfortable with a vote. I don't necessarily think we're all the cooks, but we're getting clarification to be educated on what we're voting on >> Thursday works for me. >> Thursday. Okay. Go ahead. >> Okay. So, we're going to do the work session on Tuesday and >> worst case to best case scenario, we make a whole lot of changes. That'll take some time to make sure we validate that because it's not just 10 kids here, 10 kids there, 10 kids over here. We got to make sure that, you know, we are socially balanced, all the things. And then I'd like to make sure that we have a, you know, second set of analyst eyes on this to make sure that we didn't inadvertently move something that is going to wreck it, right? So just we can't if we're going to do Tuesday and then you know if we don't make any changes or we make a couple then we could probably come back Wednesday Thursday but if we have wholesale changes I would like to have some time to make sure that's validated and it's it's what we think it is. >> Okay. So would there would two work days then be enough? >> It depends on the level of changes that you are going to put on the piece of paper. So, Thursday, Friday is is what I'm asking to give some time to make sure that the proposal that you draft is valid. >> Yeah. Go ahead, Brian. >> I'm still I'm still I would still be in favor of Friday. If there was a smaller group that would go in, any suggestions may uh could feed into Tuesday, but starting from scratch on Tuesday with what we have, I think that's just going to delay things even more. Like, we're already delaying seven days. What Go ahead, Carly. >> Sorry. >> What would What would the superintendent and director Yoho prefer? Would you prefer to meet on Friday? >> I would prefer to meet on Friday. Um, and I, uh, you know, to, uh, Mr. Yoho's point, um, based on what the changes are, we would, you know, I'd make a recommendation on adjustment, but, um, that first things first. >> Okay. Matt. Oh, you're here. I mean, I was just going to say, does if we needed another week from the 13th, I mean, this is the 20th. I can't imagine that's really going to interfere with staffing that much. If it's a week, again, you want to get it right. If it takes an extra week, if it takes an extra two weeks, you want to get it right. >> So, let's plan to meet on Friday and Tuesday, and we can determine on um on Tuesday when the vote will take place. Is that does that work for everyone? So, who can attend on Friday? >> Brian, >> not available. >> Can we do three o'clock? Would that work for or I'm just trying to not make it go into the late evening? >> Four. How about 4 p.m. Friday? >> Okay, we'll get it posted. Does that work, Superintendent? Okay. >> 4 p.m. >> Okay. Any other comments for tonight or questions for um Lucas? Okay, great. Thank you. >> Thanks, Lucas. >> Thanks, Lucas. >> Okay. >> Um, moving to um the final item on our agenda is um the board discussion regarding um the board investigation. Um at our last meeting um through our discussion of the topic um in my opinion it became clear that the will of the board was to process the findings of the report first with the seven members here at the table in a work session followed by a regular board meeting. Um that sequence was recommended because ultimately the conclusions and recommendations from the report illustrate that our board has a lot of work on building better relationships and process in order for us to be effective team for this district and for the students we support. Um that um has been flipped and so we're going to um uh talk about the report with the public first um and then we will talk about next steps. I have prepared a um summary slide deck of the investigation and we'll go through background information, report conclusions and recommended actions. Um I have made copies of the report for all of the members um on the board. Um and um this presentation will be made available on the agenda on board book following this meeting. Um mirroring the boundary discussion um I would ask that you please hold questions and comments until after um the end of the presentation. Uh so and for those in the audience um and online bear with me um uh I tried to take quotes um as much as possible from the report um so that it's written or or reported um the summary is reported in the words of the investigator um and not summarized by uh myself. Um so I think it's important um for everyone to understand um some of the background um about this report. Um, so the Martin Law Firm um was contracted to conduct an investigation of allegations made by Director Baker in a complaint dated August 28th, 2025. The complaint alleged, quote, that there is a sustained pattern of conduct by male members of the Lakeville School Board that has been dismissive, inconsiderate, and undermining towards female board members. Uh preceding this complaint at the August 26, 2025 school board meeting, uh Director Baker also stated um that the board does quote not follow Robert's rules appropriately and that the women are constantly ignored and subjected to gaslighting. Uh Director Baker also stated that she has quote never experienced sexism like this as I have at this table. Um, in Minnesota, school boards are able to determine if board members are considered employees for the purposes of the Minnesota Government Data Pre Practices Act, also known as MGDPA. Lakeville Area School Board's precedent has been that board members are considered employees for the purposes of data practice um data practice privacy and data related to Lakeville area school employees complaints against another employee including investigative data would typically be classified as private. Uh the Lakeville School Board could vote to make all data it maintains on each school board member public but has not done so to date. Uh the caveat with that is that the school board can put the investigative report on a public agenda such as tonight making the report public for limited purposes of the meeting if quote reasonably necessary to conduct business of agenda item before the public body. Uh acting chair at the time Swanson determined that posting the report was necessary to conduct uh board business. Um now going into the conclusions um there's a um number of conclusions from the report. Uh the first conclusion is that the investigator quote did not find sexism, discrimination, disregard or disrespect based upon gender and that there is quote significant evidence um that shows the contrary. Uh and in another conclusion, um it was written that quote, "Video footage of board meeting shows for the most part respectful professional communication amongst the board members and opportunities for all board members to engage in discussion debate on matters before the board." The conclusions continued um to say that quote there appears to be a lack of experience and training of board chair and vice chair and that neither the chair or vice chair engaged in any training focused on schoolboard leadership. uh quote, "While not improper, it is unusual that a newly elected board member is also elected the position of chair or vice chair, and this type of situation seems to require as much training as possible, not only to learn how to operate as a new board member, but also how to operate as a board officer." Uh the conclusions continue to state that the board has a quote misunderstanding of expectations, experience, approach, and some disrespectful behavior that makes it difficult for the board to function. And then um the final conclusion um quote is that evidence was submitted of the presence of unprofessional non-verbal conduct such as making faces, reading while others are speaking, and not looking at the board member who is speaking. Such conduct is not consistent with a well functioning board and should be addressed. Um then um there is a an accompanying letter from the Martin Law Firm um titled Lakeville School Board Investigation Reports or Lakeville, excuse me, Lakeville School Board Investigation Report Recommendations. Um, and just for the the um the audience online um and and going to our school district website, this letter was originally emitted from the January 6 draft agenda that was posted last Friday, but is now uh posted. The recommendations from the investigator um are the following. The first is um or let me say um the letter contained the following um statements. first was quote, "Based upon the analysis of evidence and preparation of the investigative report, we also determined that recommendations to the board are in order for it to hopefully move forward and operate for the good of the student, staff, and community of the Lakeville Public School District." It went on to say that quote, "It is unfortunate that procedural concerns and a seeming inability for the members of the Lakeville board to work collaboratively and productively is hindering the board from carrying out important board business. The conduct of the board also reflects poorly upon its standing in the public. Should the board decide to take action after consideration of these recommendations, it is hoped that such action will help the board operate more effectively and efficiently. The recommendations um are as follows. Number one, quote, "We recommend that board members or sorry, we recommend that board officers, particularly the chair and vice chair, should undergo and successfully complete Minnesota school board associations board officer workshops. This is particularly true in a situation such as in Lakeville, where at the time both the chair and vice chair were elected to their officer positions immediately upon beginning their first term on the board. Board officer training should become a regular requirement of all board members who are elected by their colleagues to board officer positions. The second recommendation is that quote it is recommended that the board consider engagement in facilitated team building and uh dispute resolution trainings. Uh finally um my last slide is about moving forward um which we will discuss um in a in a few minutes but based on the recommendations from the investigator and also I know opinions on this board um to date I know of the following actions that I that I believe our board should consider to move forward as a working body. Uh the first um would be to ensure that officer and board training requirements occur um including updates to our policies that would require board members to have these trainings that we engage in facilitated board development sessions focused on team building and that um procedures for potential future board conflict or discrimination claims are discussed and um fleshed out. So with that um my focus um in coming into this role is how to move us forward together uh as everyone can appreciate in the audience um and online and at the table that this is a difficult situation for the board and the district. As such um I would um like each board member if they're interested to offer um approximately three minutes or so of their own reflections about the report. uh this is not a time for debate but rather your personal reactions to the report. Um if individuals are unable to retain composure at the table or unable to allow others to speak respectfully about the report um I will pause discussion um or table it if needed. Uh once everyone who is interested in speaking has had the chance I would like to focus our discussion on the last slide and how uh the seven of us would like to move forward in working together. So with that, I feel like I um directly quoted the report on um the conclusions and the recommendations. Um and with that, is there anyone um who is on the board that would like to um share their perspective? Paul? >> Yeah, thank you. I I think this summary drifts away from the conclusion of innocence. Um, one of the things that that was very crucial about this whole situation is that there was a public accusation towards male board me board members in regards to being sexist. Now you you it is a very serious allegation to call somebody sexist, racist, anything elseist. and and the right to accuse was not debated. The right to accuse happened. What I'm not seeing here is the right to defend and prove innocence. One of the things that I think is extremely important here is that the ma the three male board members that were part of this and I believe there was another one in the audience. I'm not sure if if Director Nicholson is still here or not, but um the it I I think it's it's crucial that the public acquisition at a public meeting needs to be corrected because the investigative report said that there was no foundation in those accusations. I think the fact that thousands of dollars of publicly tax do thousands of public tax dollars were spent and and and in that regard, the public needs to understand exactly what the result of this was and if these four male board members are guilty or innocent. And I think because that blemish of being called a sexist affects your credibility, affects your personal relationships, affects your business relationships. I think that needs to be cleaned up and very clear out in the public that innocence is what the result of this conclusion is. And I think it needs to be stated much stronger than the summary that I'm seeing here, which is um I'll just say it seems to be drifting away from the innocence premise. >> Paul, about one more minute, please. >> Are you done? >> I'm done. Thank you. >> Okay. I would just like to point out that um I have an entire slide focused just on what you said to make it clear that that is the first conclusion of the report and I wanted that to be included. So um if that was not clear I apologize. >> Yeah. Thank you. If if I may though when you look and and I invite anybody to look at the 18 pages it's actually 17 pages. 18th page is a signature from the lawyer. Look at the 18 pages and what you will find is about 16 or 17 pages talk about the conclusion or the innocence of the male board directors and about a page a page and a half talks about future direction and future uh uh uh future initiatives which which I'm all for but I think this is in balance the way it was presented. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Brian >> Oh, okay. Ben. >> Yeah, Amber, thank you for your summary. I appreciate that. Um, and and kind of I mean, this has obviously been kind of an impediment for the board since August. Um, you know, we've discussed privately and met privately, you know, which was always my, you know, recommendation on the August 26th meeting was, hey, this should be discussed privately. See if we can handle that. Um, but then the board proceeded and comments were made. uh the report or the the formal complaint followed and I hope we do discuss uh the procedural issues that I'd like to address so we can avoid the district being put in the place where it's proceeding with a complaint investigation against the board or a board member when ultimately we self-govern ourselves. Um but yeah, it cuz we've talked about doing uh you know board development sessions and uh you know I agree that would be helpful cuz we clearly have some as the report indicates um some personal personal issues amongst the board members um that we could use to talk out as a group. Um, we haven't been able to do that since August, for the past 4 months. Um, cuz I was unwilling to schedule one while there's an investigation going on. Um, cuz I didn't want any of the, you know, accused board members to put themselves in jeopardy by anything that they said at such a development session. Um, I would agree with Paul and his assessment here. Uh, you know, I think it's important if you're looking at the actual report, I think the Mr. Martin does a pretty good job of going allegation by allegation and essentially says there's no merit to any of the allegations. Um I'm not above board training at all. Right. Even as an officer I he doesn't specify any specific instances of where hey if the chair would have done this that would have been better or this was improper by the chair which I wish he did so there would be more clarity on that issue. Um, but I did want to and again I'm not I'd like to read a couple just summary statements from and they're all page 17 has a lot of the conclusions. Um, but I think it's important to note and this is what his finding was and I'll just read it. Um, it's determined that much of what is occurring is a function of the dynamics of the operation of a seven member school board. There is no evidence of male board members taking actions based upon gender. In fact, meeting video footage and emails can lead to the perception that the female members in general and director Baker in particular are not subject to dis diminishment, disparagement, disrespect, or other negative conduct. Instead, the seven board members have differences of opinion regarding process, approach, and philosophy. While such differences break along along lines of gender, there's no evidence that the differences are because of gender. I mean, I personally have always held that to be true. I know we've discussed that as well. Uh those are the board members that have been willing to meet with me and talk about this. Um but again, the problem is when you get something like this, you know, and a complaint and allegations, it's hard to operate a board, you know, uh and we can talk about in private how we got to that place where a formal objection was made and how, you know, somebody came upon the belief that, hey, this was all true. Um, I hope we do have an opportunity to talk about it, but it is an impediment, an obstruction to board operation when that becomes the becomes the case. And I'm glad now because the the comments were made in public um I mean made about me clearly and a lot of this was about me and then, you know, just being trashed essentially online, you know, for months under investigation, attempt to ruin your reputation essentially. Um it is nice to have a report come in and say like each one of these allegations are found to be without merit, you know. So, but no, I agree. Um we need to move on because we have bigger things to do. Um I would very much welcome, you know, development session or sessions to discuss this further. Um I've always been willing to talk to board members and uh yeah and move forward. Any other reflections, >> Tony? >> Um, I was not on the board. >> Is your mic on? >> Hello. Is that I was not on the board at the time, but it is no secret that the Lakeville Area School District School Board um can at times be dysfunctional. It has a reputation of that. Um it it goes back long before any person on this board has been on this board. It's been a long time. Um I can say that since coming on since November um and working with each and every one of you in some capacity um I am genuinely impressed with um the quality of work you you all do. Uh you all bring something unique, something positive and something collaborative to the board. I really really appreciate all that. Um, personalities can sometimes be frustrating things. Um, not everybody always gets along with everybody else every single time, every single day. Um, with this coming to a close, I would like to see us be able to put it all behind us and move on and work for the benefit of the Lakeville Area School District, for the parents, for the teachers, and for the kids that elected all of us to help organize and put um our policies for the schools together. And I think um with this crew um I think we can do a really really great job together. Anyone else? Brian? >> Yeah, it's I appreciate you sharing this. Um, and more importantly, like the findings are the findings, but I think what I'd like to know more is like how like how did this happen? Cuz the board never voted for this to occur for for the board. The no the board didn't even know until we got an email like this is going to happen. I'm like what? Like we're going to spend tax dollars on this. And the and the proper protocol would have been that if you have a complaint with another board member, you talk to the chair, you talk to the vice chair, you talk to the treasur, you talk to the clerk, you have four officers, and then if if they're all involved, then you talk to your other nonofficer board members, which would be your three. And then you make a motion to add it to the agenda as I want to discuss this as a topic or I want to make a motion to have a working session. And none of that occurred. So, and so I want to make sure that we as a board moving forward because I'm not going to talk much above the above the complaint, but but as a board as we move forward, um, how do we pro not I don't want to use the word prevent, but how do we ensure that we have the right process in place so that we're not spending taxpayer dollars? We have an invoiceer 15 grant. I have no idea how much our district legal costs are that that our district legal uh has yet to invoice us. uh all of the board time uh district resource time we spent probably 20 $30,000 of direct and indirect costs on this uh issue and and so if it went to the chair I would be in favor of that's what it is and he uh he executed a an investigation all for that like that this is a serious allegation and and and it should have gone uh in this manner but it's one of those where the board was not involved and that's my biggest concern we we run this we are responsible for the governance of this district and so that that is one area that I think we we need to talk through. I know that South Washington County and their policy 201 states that they are not elected they are not employees of the district. They are elected officials and so that is something that we should maybe uh look into. Uh the recommendations of the report I just want to share briefly on that. Um I'm not in favor I'm sorry 100% align officer training that makes sense. Uh it but most of some of the the recommendations are also opinions like hey you shouldn't have a new officer uh you shouldn't have a new board member be an officer. Well when I started we had a new uh director become an officer. Uh when Matt started he became an officer and and now director Cameron I mean chair chair Cameron you've been here for a year and now you're an officer. So we're contradicting ourselves from what the opinion uh recommendation has. And then lastly board working sessions. I'm 100% in favor that we have those, but I have no issues with working with you guys. Like I we are following the process. No one has yet to be told you can't vote, you can't speak, you can't make a motion. The process is occurring. It's a legislative body that we're in and it gets clunky. It gets messy and it might look like dysfunction, but we have different opinions. Like I don't have to be your best friend. I have to make a vote based on what I think is best for our community. And so while working session is recommended, great. But I feel like like you guys are we're all able to say the things that we want to say and vote the way we want to vote and then we move on to the next topic. Like last week when we had polling locations, I was not in favor and when we consolidated that and now that vote passed 43, it's done. We move on. And so th those are just a few things that that I like to share out. But uh but I do appreciate the time uh from the board members here to at least speak uh to uh speak about this. So thank you for uh letting this continue. >> Great. Anyone else? Kim, >> I just want to address that. Um, I believe that established processes exist for a reason. When concerns arise, people must be able to raise them through appropriate channels without fear that doing so will be later questioned, scrutinized, or held against them. That principle matters far beyond this moment. What concerns me most is not disagreement about outcomes, but what this experiment experience communicates to others. When the act of speaking up becomes the issue itself, people learn that silence is safer than courage and that should concern all of us. I am responsible for my actions and I stand by them. I am not responsible for how others choose to respond. Being a building a respectful functional board culture is not the responsibility of one individual but is a collective obligation of this board, this district, and this community. >> Thank you. Carly, do you want to say anything? Okay. >> Um, thank you everyone for speaking up. um and for bringing this presentation. I I think the findings are fair in terms of um or how you presented these findings are how they were presented in the document. This has been a really challenging time for our board. Um, and I want to I want to make it clear that I feel like if someone is experiencing something, um, they should be able to talk to fellow board members about it and should be able to um, I mean, do I do I wish this could have been handled within our board? Yes. Um, and I think this the circumstances were really challenging. >> I I do want to speak to a couple things that came up in this report that maybe aren't part of these findings. Is that okay? Um, you know, one of the things that I noticed in the report that I don't think is accurate and I think contributes to our sense of divide on this board is we were characterized as having two different lines of profession. Um, so the three women were characterized as being in education and the four men were characterized in being in business. And um, Matt, I'm pretty sure you're a lawyer. I don't think you're a business businessman. maybe kind of I mean I work in education. I work I did work in education but I now work in healthcare. Um and so I think the challenge that I see is some aspects of the port report really contributed to I think this ongoing narrative that there are these divides that I think would only perpetuate ongoing dysfunction. um when we have had discussions for instance on the um data dashboard I don't think any single person on this table at this table was objecting to this idea that we need to use data to drive decisionm I think how we use that data was more a discussion um that maybe there was some disagreement with and I think we still have to continue to work on how we're going to use that and evaluate it um in context data out of context text is very dangerous in my opinion. But there was there's a lot there have been a lot of moments where this board has come together and I I was frustrated reading some of the inaccuracies not from I'm I don't object to the findings. Um I think I think um the the recommendations that come came out of it are important for us to consider but those inaccuracies in description of the various members of the board to me were just contributing to further divide. So I think going forward what I would like to see from us is more um how can we each use our different skill sets that don't go education and business. We've got people working in different um capacities that I think could really serve the district. And um so I I am in agreement with others that I hope that we can um put this to rest, I hope that, you know, despite the finding of um or I guess considering the finding of no sexism found, there was finding of dysfunctional behavior on this board. Um and so let's work on that. Let's be professional. Let's represent in this district what we want to see in our staff and our students. And I've always said repeatedly since coming to board meetings before I was on this board, if this board cannot function effectively, that impacts our entire community. And so it is our responsibility to show professional behavior, respect toward one another. Um and so that would be my hope that we come out of this stronger. Great. Thank you. Um thanks everyone for for sharing your thoughts and perspectives on this. Um in addition to the items I have on move on um this the last slide moving forward. So and these are things for us to discuss at a future session. We're not going to tonight decide on whether or not we should would move forward on any of these. But what I want to come away with tonight is a list of things that people are interested in discussing in the future. And so as a um I know the audience doesn't have this um so as a reminder um it's considering um training requirements for officers and the board um thinking about having some facilitated board development sessions focused on team building and then um discussing procedures for um potential future board conflict or discrimination claims. Um is there anything else anyone wants to add to that? And this doesn't have to be the end of the discussion, but just are there other things that come to mind right now that you would like to consider? >> Yeah. Go ahead, Brian. >> I'd like to add uh policy 209, just a review of that and maybe a significant revamp of it. Um why I understand the concept of code of ethics of of the policy. I'd like it to be more of um uh standard board member uh responsibilities or duties or or something of that nature. Um but yeah, policy 2020 209 is something that we should take a look at. I know that the one that we have is a is an example of MSBA's model, but I'd love to have us look at that. And then also policy 201 where do we want to document ourselves as elected officials officially versus employees? >> Okay. And then the third one again would be what is the process for when there's scenarios in this. >> Anything else? >> Okay. Matt, >> I'm sorry. I was smirking at the the idea of uh >> additional officer training now that I'm not an officer. So I'm like, yes, let's add a ton of board chair training, you know. Uh I mean, and I this is kind of what Brian's saying. I don't know that we ran into a ton of procedural issues. I mean, we've participated. We've all participated in some MSBA training and I don't know how much better we came out of it. Um I really do think it goes down to the personal issues between the board members and and again being okay to move on when we're not in the majority and we're for the most part we do do vote you know 7061 and agree on most things. Uh so yeah, we don't agree necessarily on how to get there, but uh yeah, so I I don't necessarily want to vote to make the officers do more training than needed or what's >> Sure. >> ordinary. >> Okay. Yeah, we can hash that out. Yep, Brian. >> So I've got three more. one, I think um I I have observed throughout the past year that this these meetings go long and and and there and and maybe they're not generally designed to be four to five marathons, but as a legislative body, you know, we have dialogue and everybody has opinion. And so something for us to think about at a future meeting is do we want to make these meetings more condensed, more time boxed? So here's the agenda topic. You've got 20 minutes. You got to read your stuff ahead of time and come with questions. If not, then you vote and we move on. Uh the challenge with that is that I know we all have different opinions and we share dialogue and back and forth and and sometimes someone you know if we put a time box on it then do we put a time box on like you only get three minutes I mean nothing like from what you you only get three minutes to share your point of view and that's it. Uh and so there isn't any dialogue that may occur when we put time boxes like that and who gets the most amount of time. So but that is something we should talk about. And then the last one is um you are right that uh that a lot of boards do have working sessions and and not have formal meetings like this, but you can still have working sessions in a formal setting like this, but there's also uh pros and cons in that scenario. Um one of the main reasons that I think we moved or I enjoyed the working sessions like this is it's easier to hear, it's recorded. Uh but more importantly, when decisions need to be made, we're it's on the record and we do that. in past meetings, in past years of school board um uh uh uh uh meetings like this, uh board the boards made decisions, but they didn't have anything on the record. They didn't they didn't vote. They they just kind of like, oh, we agree conceptually to go do that, go do that. And so there there was no history of how things of how we operated. So if we want to be very clear that working sessions are going to be just uh input only, but but yet like I don't know. So, that's something we need to talk through. Working sessions during formal meetings, but if we're going to have working sessions, how do we ensure that we capture the decisions the board has made uh informally? >> Great. >> Anything else? Yeah, Matt. >> Um, I just recommend that we have our district council provide us uh the pros and cons to, you know, looking at whether or not we want to be deemed employees of the district. um because I know there are some cons to it, but in the same sense uh having one board member be able to go and file a complaint with the district which then forces their hands to expend funds, you know, and removes it from our hands because for instance, in this case, this was always coming back to the board. I mean, we were not notified about that early on. So, we are we govern each other, right? Only the board can punish one another, right? the district can't do anything um because they are essentially you know under our purview. So if we want to retain that right of self-governance as a board uh I think it should con it should include whether or not we're going to decide to proceed with an investigation and use taxpayer funds. >> Great. Thank you. >> Anything else for tonight? >> Okay. Um, I think I'll just say in closing that I'll obviously take these ideas from this discussion and bring a plan um for how we could move forward on these um to the group. I think this has been said by um a couple of others uh already tonight, but all seven of us bring different perspectives, backgrounds, and expertise to this table, and I believe that should be honored and valued. Um, I know everyone sitting here wants to make the best decisions for our school district and the students that we support and I ask that you bring this lens um as we continue to work on this issue and many many others. So, thank you for um the candid but um I think productive dialogue with that. Um can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Call second by Carly. All in favor? >> Opposed? All right, we all adjourned.