Heat. Heat. It sounds like something Oh, hey. Good evening and welcome to the April 6th city council meeting. If you join me for a moment of silence in the pledge of allegiance. Okay, Miss Olowski, roll call, please. >> Michelle Vulk >> here. >> Luke Kelly >> here. >> John Burmal >> here. >> Dan Walter >> here. >> Joshua Lee >> here. Okay, we'll move on to item three. This is citizens comments. Opportunity for anyone to address the council for up to three minutes. Okay, seeing none, we'll move on to additional agenda information. Mr. Miller, >> nothing tonight, mayor. >> All right, right into number five, recognition and badging of our new firefighters. I'll turn it over to our fire chief, Mike Meyer. >> Good evening, mayor, council members. It's my pleasure to introduce 13 firefighters who joined the fire department March of last year. Uh these individuals represent the pivotal chapter in our department's history. And tonight we're recognizing their transition from probationary status to permanent members of our team. So as I say their names, I'd invite their uh them and their families to come forward. So, firefighter Kyle Johnson, Ben Fleer, Mels Frederickson, Ashley Helier, Lucas Churchill, Devon Pinsky, Steve Grass, Dom Delinsky, Derek Steanak, Aaron Iker, Matt Woodford, Steve Higgins, and Jacob Coughlin. As they assemble up here, this group has successfully navigated the first year of probation. Their training included a four-week academy uh as far as a BLS academy, a joint academy through four cities. Uh not only did they complete that academy, they had specialized training as far as fire inspector uh water rescue and then they've also done further beyond that of growing on their education for fire instructor, fire officer certification and several additionally went after their uh child passenger safety technician or car seat install. uh a lot of that these firefighters have been instrumental in our department's strategic transition into a hybrid staffing model. Their presence has allowed us to consistently staff two engines, which significantly improved our operational readiness. They have not only embraced our department's culture, but also dedicated countless hours to delivering training that has elevated the skill sets to our entire staff. So, I want to thank them for their dedication to the city of Lakeville and look forward to their continued service to our community. And I'm going to pivot to do the oath with them. >> Very good. >> I'll ask the firefighters to raise your right hand and repeat after me. I state your name. do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and faithfully dis and state of Minnesota >> and faithfully discharge the duties of firefighter >> of the city of Lakeville >> of the city >> in the county of Dakota >> County >> and state of Minnesota >> in the state of >> the best of my judgment and ability. >> So help me God. >> If your family members want to pin your badge on, I see some already got them on. Obviously, this is a mixed group. We have some internal candidates and some external candidates that are receiving their badges. Okay. Very good. Council, any comments you'd like to >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll just say this. I mean, for those new to the city, we want to welcome you. For those who were internal? Um, thank you for taking the next step for our community as we kind of move into this new phase of the hybrid department. obviously been working for almost over a year, I guess, but the fact that this is kind of the, you know, this stamp, if you will, on on where we're going as a community. So, we're so excited to to work with you and to support you. And again, to your families, uh thank you for the sacrifices that you do, allow your spouse or others in your family to serve our city. We're grateful for that and grateful for all of you. So, welcome. We'll have you guys come through. We're going to shake all of your hands. also like to give him a round of applause. Thank you guys everybody. >> Yeah, we'll give you guys a moment to kind of >> exit. >> Exit. Thank you again. We won't make you sit through. It's going to be a barn burner tonight. So, Yeah, it's like All right, we'll turn it on to our next item, which is the proclamation for Arbor Day and our city forester. Zach Jorgensson will kind of give us some background and council member Burma will read the proclamation. >> Council, um, my name is Zach Jorgensson, city forester of Lakeville. Uh, just here with a brief introduction for the Arbor Day proclamation for >> Is this better? >> Y, there you go. >> All right. Thank you. and good evening. Uh yeah, so Zach Jorgensson, City Forester of Lakeville with just a quick introduction for this year's Arbor Day proclamation. Um Arbor Day of course is a celebration of our trees and forests and all the benefits they provide uh in our community and to the residents of the city. Uh so this year um Lakeville is recognized for the 33rd year as a Tree City USA. Uh we also again received the growth award uh for activities uh for community forest management in the past year. Uh a few of the things that we we included with the application were um Grace Benson, our forester technician, uh received ISA certification this year. So she is a official forester now. Um we also, you know, upped our maintenance of recently planted trees. So we actually got out and structurally pruned about 200 of our new trees this year. Uh as well as had our seasonal forestry staff uh over the summer last year, maintaining 750 trees that were planted just in the past couple years. So a lot of work on that to get those going. And then of course, you know, continuing to seek out additional grant funding for EAB management as we continue to work through Ashore in the city. Uh there are two steps required uh to receive a Tree City USA award. One is hosting a community event to celebrate Arbor Day and the other is uh approving an Arbor Day proclamation. Um this year's events uh like last year, we're doing our annual tree sale again this year. So, we did up our numbers and we sold just over 300 trees, uh, 16 different species around the community for just, you know, discounted price to residents. Uh, that opened in February as it usually does and closes this Friday. So, there's a chance to snag one of the last few trees still, uh, if anyone is still looking. And our pickup event is going to be April 18th as part of the Earth Day celebration out at CMF. So, that's coming up here quick. Uh, our volunteer planting event this year will be uh, Wednesday, May 6th. That'll be at Cherry View Park. We'll be planting about 25 trees. Uh, and we've actually opened registration this year for the first time, uh, both on our website as well as the park and Rex activity page. So, folks can find that multiple ways and and sign up to join us. So, with that, uh, oh, and I will note that tree planting starts this week, so it's time despite the cold weather. >> You say May 6 at Cherry View, >> correct? >> All those people live by there that are really focused on their park, I hope they show up that day. I do too. >> Yeah. >> Excellent. So with that, I thank you for your consideration of this year's proclamation. >> Great. Council Burma. >> All right. City of Lakeville proclamation for Arbor Day. Whereas established in 1872, Arbor Day provides an opportunity to celebrate the importance of trees and forests in our economy, culture, history, and future of our community. And whereas the National Arbor Day Foundation has recognized Lakeville with 2025 growth award and for the 33rd year as a Tree City USA for promoting community forestry programs. And whereas trees provide clean air and water, shade, energy savings, wildlife habitat, recreational opportunities, wood products and jobs, capture and store carbon from the atmosphere, and increase property values. And whereas thoughtfully selecting, planting, and caring for a diverse mix of trees supports a resilient community into the future while providing long-term community and environmental benefits for all. And whereas the city of Lakeville will observe Arbor Day on Saturday, April 18th at the Arbor Day tree sale event and will continue to celebrate Arbor Month with a volunteer planting project at Cherry View Park on Wednesday, May 6th. Therefore, the city council of the city of Lakeville in support of its community forest proclaims, "Now, therefore, the Lakeville City Council does hereby proclaim that Saturday, April 18th, 2026 shall be observed as Arbor Day in the city of Lakeville, proclaim the 6th day of April, 2026." >> Very good. Thank you, council member. Thank you, sir. >> All right. Thank you. >> Look forward to it. Okay, we'll move on to item C. Just a change in our agenda. It's not actually the proclamations on the agenda, but we will have Council Member Lee read the Together in Peace Day proclamation. >> Absolutely. And I'll uh tee this one up real quick. This this proclamation is in relation to an annual uh event that's happened in Lakeville for the last several years by and it's a grassroots efforts by several nonprofit uh organizations and individuals that um truly just from a again a grassroots effort to get the community together because we when we do things together uh good things happen. And so um this is an invitation to the whole community to join in the festival which is happening May 16th from 11:00 to 4 p.m. in Caspersonson Park. So the proclamation reads together in peace day. Whereas the city of Lakeville recognizes the importance of fostering peace, mutual understanding, and belonging within our community and beyond. And whereas the United Nations has designated May 16th as the international day of living together in peace, encouraging people worldwide to promote values of peace, tolerance, belonging, understanding, and solidarity. And whereas previous together and peace days events have successfully strengthened our local community, fostering lasting relationships and vital multicultural and interfaith dialogue. And whereas peace buildingilding is a continuous collaborative effort among our residents, businesses, faith organizations, and schools. And whereas celebrating to together in peace day on May 16th, 2026, reinforcing Lakeville's dedication to being a welcoming and inclusive city. Now therefore, the Lakeville City Council does hereby proclaim that Saturday, May 16th, 2026 shall be observed as Together in Peace Day in the city of Lakeville. Proclaimed the sixth day of April, 2026. And uh something new this year I think is fun. We're going to be celebrating with Valencia Spain at the same time which is fitting considering Lakeville's Nate Reavers plays for the professional basketball team in Valencia Spain. So we have a real connection with them. Um moving on to item D which is our public works quarterly report and we'll turn over to our public works director Mr. Omi. Good evening. All right. Uh, good evening, mayor, city council members. Uh, yeah, this is the first quarter report for public works. Go. So, I'd like to start off with some, uh, new employees we, uh, just hired. Uh, Charlie is our new engineering tech. Um, he's been working in the construction services area. uh he's worked eight years in construction um all across the the country um big construction projects and just recently he's u getting his degree at Dakota uh technical college for um civil engineering tech um and right out of high school actually worked in the or he was in the Navy for four years. So uh Khloe Anderson uh she comes to us from a consulting firm in Wisconsin. She's worked there for five years. She also worked for the uh city of North uh our Fargo and she got her civil engineering degree at uh University of North Dakota. And Oscar Gaspar uh he's our new utility uh maintenance one employee and he comes from us uh from uh Apple Valley. Um he was a summer help over there and then also in Northfield too. He spent the summer in the parks department there. Um moving on. So uh public public works had the opportunity to u participate in some AI training uh for our all all the departments and divisions. uh this is an training that helped uh explain the nature of the AI the common perceptions mistakes and look at overview of in general the AI in general again common mistakes that are used with AI and then uh just kind of review best practices and AI security when you're using those programs and then also learn advanced techniques and practices for those applications and how to best in incorporate that into your everyday workflow and this is a really good opportunity that we um had to learn AI and then how to become more efficient in our in our work using the using AI. Um moving on to the streets division. Uh spring activities are well underway now. The street uh spring tree trimming and removals are now complete and we're moving on to street sweeping. Uh we're going to be working six days a week now on street sweeping until the uh whole city is is swept. Looking at priority areas around the lake first. Um and pothole patching is ongoing as well right now as time allows and weather. Then snow removal. This is just kind of our our tallies over the years of snow um that we've had um in events that we've had salt usages. So we're running about average of what we've seen over the last say 10 years with a normal snow event right around 50 inches. Uh salt usage was up a little bit from the last two years. It's because of the the nature of the snow events and the ice events that we've had >> more like 46. >> Um moving on to utility division. U biggest project we're working on right now is replacing the filter media at the water treatment plant. the old media is from the ex original plant which was built in uh 98 so almost 30 years old now. Um and the the filter over time deteriorates. It gets clogged. Um doesn't uh work as well. So every so often you have to replace that filter media. Uh so we're in the process of that. Right now the project is over 75% done. Um six of the eight filters are completed. We're working on the last two right now and we're scheduled to have that project completed by the end of the month. um sewer lining project is going to get going here pretty quick. Just wanted to highlight that a little bit. You're going to see some trucks out in the field. Uh we're going to be lining about two and a half miles worth of clay and concrete pipes around the community this year. Uh to help reduce the amount of groundwater getting into our pipes, uh causing potential backups um and uh getting clear water into our system and uh paying for that that water um at the treatment plant. So try to reduce that those costs as best as we can. Um water main brakes are tracking as is uh about average for the last five years we've had so far five water main brakes. Um our cast iron pipes specifically and then three services as well. Um those are the services that go into u people's houses but they're in the the city rightway portion. Hydrant flushing is going to be starting up here in a couple weeks as well too. So, we're going to be flushing all our hydrants. Um, just making sure um hydrants that are exercised are in good working order uh for any future fire demand flows. And then also making sure they're exercised and um getting out the the sediment that may accumulate over time and some of those deadend pipes. And then moving on to environmental. Uh over the last year, the city has received over $700,000 um from different grants um through different organizations and state agencies and really um uh happy uh to be partners in those type of projects. The the projects range from um storm water um uh clean water uh re clean water improvement projects and ponds and streams uh the creeks uh improvements uh clean uh removing sediments uh from from our from our ponds or from our lakes as well too. So a lot of different projects and then also there's uh projects in uh for uh restoration projects um natural natural areas as well. So, in parks that uh we've received over the year, uh this this winter, we've cleaned out three uh storm sewer ponds uh over on 170 in Pilon Road, Sky Park, Sky Glass Park, and then Orchard Lake as well. Uh those projects are are mostly complete. We still have a little restoration uh work to do yet. And then moving on to Ritter uh Ritter Ritter Park. Um phases one and two are going well. Phase two is is almost complete with tree removals and uh black uh locust stump grinding that that recently took place. We did do some prairie restoration as well recently and we're moved on to phase three. This is a multi-year project and should be wrapped up by 2030. Then moving on to the forestry division. Our forester gives some of these updates already. Uh we are removed 125 uh trees from our rightway and adjacent lots this winter. Um and the asht tree uh treatment program is going to be starting up here uh pretty soon. Um there are scheduled to be 613 trees that we'll be treating um again this year. It's a two-year uh treatment program. uh that number is down 27% from years prior and we are continuing to see a downward trend in the amount of trees that we'll be treating in the future. And then u the city does offer uh residents the opportunity to our contractor for injection for ash trees on their property in private. So, you can go go to the city's website and check that out for u additional information on on getting your tree um uh treated for for ash. So, tree tree epidemic uh pest control. Um so, we're working through private um ash tree inspections this year again. So, that 310 trees were inspected and letters have been sent out to those property owners. This is this is down from the last two years as well. Um we have received really good responses as as of to date. There's 147 properties that have are been in fully compliant and work is completed. We're still working with 11 properties on current non-compliance uh in that process. And then EAB updates again that shade tree uh grant program. Um this is the last year three-year grant that uh we're working with. Uh 79 trees were removed in five parks throughout the communities. Those trees will be planted again in the spring or in the fall of this year um and throughout the community and that will be the last um installment for the for the grant. And then there's another 121 trees that will be planted in in parks and uh various locations along the just replacing the trees uh that were removed this winter uh through the EAB program. And then forestry division again we're through through the Arbor Day program there's are 313 trees that were available for purchase for residents at a reduced cost. Um that's is that number is up from 200 that was available in 2025. Um there's still a couple trees left. So if property owners, residents want to check the website and um still take advantage of that um that tree sale, that's that would be great. And you can pick the trees up on Saturday, April 18th um at this central maintenance facility. And then uh forestry also was involved with the home expo uh on March 21st. There's a lot of discussions with property owners on best practices for tree care and maintenance. A lot of questions about EAB obviously and then there was a well there was a training event on March 25th um at Antlers Park on how to best u prune and maintain small trees for residents that was through the park and recreation department. And then upcoming events again I just want to highlight that one more time u is on Saturday April 18th um at at central maintenance facility and there is a free garden tool swap that is available um through Dakota Valley recycling that is available. So bring your old garden equipment and swap it out for a new one. Then other upcoming events, uh, we there's landscape and clean water intro courses that are coming up that are available. There already was one in Lakeville on I think it was March 12th. Um, but there's other ones that are available. And then also uh after you take the introduction course, you can take a design course and get more in involved with how to um take care of uh or or design uh rainwater gardens and any uh uh in uh landscaping improvements on your property. There is um grant op money that's also available uh through this program, $400 through the uh Dakota um conservation um district and then also through uh the city um billing or water resources department. There's also uh free paper shredding available uh um events coming up in Lakeville on April 25th and then Egan and Burnsville in May and June. And with that, I stand for any questions. >> Okay. Council, any questions or comments? Joshua, >> I have a question. Um, the upcoming uh cleanup day, >> I think there's always been a little confusion on the garden swap. Um, >> okay. >> Tool event. So you bring in an old rake, anything >> and >> there are new tools available that you just take with with as exchange with an exchange. Y >> or is it other people's donated items that you're exchanging with your own? >> Uh I I think you you exchange your old equipment for a new new shovel or rake or something. Exactly. >> Okay. All right. I think there was Yeah. A few people were thinking that you were swapping with people who are also trading items and yeah, more like a trade as opposed to a swap for new items. >> So that's that's a great deal. >> So thanks. >> Thank you. >> Well, once I want to send a gratitude to the utility or parks or excuse me, public works for all the snow removal. It was a interesting year out as they say here in Minnesota. Um but then also how responsive they've been on when people are have concerns about you know grass dug up and those type of things. So thank you for that. Thank you. All right. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh moving on to our consent agenda. Uh anything you'd like to highlight, Mr. Mayor? Thank you, uh mayor, city council. A couple items. Items 6J and 6W are both vinyl plats in the Heritage Commons area, and these will be bringing some new retail establishments to the area, which we're very excited about. Item 6U is a resolution amending the dates of city council meetings for 2026. We've tried out this new format for a while. we need to formally adopt. So basically this is just removing what were the work sessions from the official city calendar moving forward. And then item uh double A 6A is the DOD common final plat which is um the final plat for the new fire station. >> Okay. Very good. Council, anything you'd like to discussion? If not, I'll take a motion to approve the consent agenda. Council >> Walter. I'll move approval of the consent agenda. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Any further discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor say I. I. >> I. >> Oppos. Okay. Consent agenda passes. We'll now move on to 7A, public hearing and resolution adopting assessments for unpaid special charges. And I'll turn over our finance director, Miss Stall. Welcome. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. Um, this is our spring certification process, so it is a public hearing and this is the way the city minimizes our losses due to bankruptcies that could happen by certifying these delinquent charges to the property taxes. So, what we're covering tonight are delinquent utility bills, nuisance abatement, unpaid false alarms, and any tree removal charges. Uh, when we sent the letters out in February, we had about 15,000 for the delinquent utilities, 120 accounts, about 11,000 of that got paid off before the um this part in the process. So, um, a lot of times, and these are the, um, final accounts. So, that's when a previous owner moved out and there's still some unpaid balance. Um, they do have a time, 30 days from tonight's meeting to still pay off these delinquent assessments before they get put onto the property taxes. And that would be interest free as well. So, um there's still a window of opportunity that people even though they've gotten onto this list, they can still um make good on the account before it gets onto their property taxes. Um we did see the utility payments are roughly about the same as we had last spring. Um our nuisance abatements are actually more in line with what we had in 2024. And then um false alarms are down. And then our tree removals um about the same as what we had in 2024 as well. So they're kind of right in line with what we've seen in the past. Um and with that, I will just open it up if council has any questions on this process. The letters were mailed to the previous owners and the current owners of property so they're all aware of this um these outstanding balances. >> Okay. So any questions? This is a public hearing. So we'll open the public hearing if there's any comments. Seeing no comment, I'll move to close the public public hearing. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. Okay. Now closed. Uh any final comments? If not, I'll take up the council member Burma. >> I move to approve the resolution adopting assessments for the unpaid special charges. Okay. Is there a second? Second. >> Any further discussion? Okay. Uh, roll call, please. >> Sorry. Walter, >> hi. >> Lee, >> hi. >> W I Helier. >> Hi. >> Burmal. >> I. >> Okay, that passes. We'll now move on to assessment hearing for improvements to 214th Street. Approval of resolutions and construction contract for the 2026 miscellaneous project. And we'll turn it back to our public works. Welcome back. >> All right. Thank you, mayor, city council members. So yeah, this is a uh uh item for the assessment hearing for 214th Street and um the miscellaneous project um award of a contract. So tonight, uh we'd like to just review the the project overview, uh review the project, uh review the street improvements that are proposed. Um we'll talk about the bid results that were received and the costs associated um and cost uh for the uh the total project cost and then we'll read the assessments um proposed assessments and like to call the public hearing. So project area is 214th Street. It's in the commercial industrial district. Um it's just off of Hamburg Avenue just south of Lakeville Boulevard and north of County Road 70. The uh project background is shown here. Um we originally started the the feasibility report back in October. Um feasibility report g came back to the city council for acceptance on November 3rd. We had a stakeholders meeting on November 5th. Had that hold that held at the public uh improvement hearing on December 1st and we worked on the plans and specs this winter bid opening on February 17th with another stakeholders meeting in March 3rd. And here we are at the assessment hearing on April 6th. Um so just a little bit about the project need for the project. The 214 street is in very poor condition based on our OCI ratings. Uh the the project um proposed is to reclaim the bit tumis pavement that's out there today and we like to use that as the base aggregate but this is a full reconstruction. Typically with when you do a reclamation, you're only uh replacing some of the asphalt and um or replacing the asphalt using that as the base aggregate. But in this situation, the pavement section is so poor that we are recommending a 1ft section of sand to be uh installed within this section of the road and then also beef up the base aggregate to 8 in as well and then pave a new pavement section over the top of that. Um the and we are planning to urbanize the street consistent with all the other streets within our community. That includes curb and gutter and storm sewer improvements. Uh we are looking at replacing a couple hydrants out here as well and then installing a in um a isolation valve for the hydrant or for the water tower and the well. This is to uh isolate the the hydrant in the well from the rest of the uh distribution system so we're not cutting off residents or businesses when those items are in need of maintenance. And then we're also replacing a couple gate valves along the street as well. So back on February 26, we did receive three bids uh for this project. Macare Construction was the low bidder um at 484,000. And then if you look at the project uh cost with indirect costs um including engineering uh uh geotechnical uh legal those type of things and there's some contingencies in there. The total project cost is 651,000 which is a little bit above um what the feasibility study had had um projected. Uh we did run into additional storm sewer that was needed out here to facilitate the first center and then the pavement uh itself uh we found some additional areas that needed subcut. So we added a little bit beefier section in some areas uh in the street um but the assessments special assessments are about what they u were in the feasibility study. So, um, taking those costs, the the costs that, um, can be assessed back to benefiting property owners, the total assessment per unit, um, is is, um, proposed at, uh, 30,42,360. There are five properties along 20 214th Street that um, have benefit for this project. Two of which are city-owned properties. So obviously we're those those assessments the city would pay. So there's three businesses that would be proposed for uh for this assessment. So the city assessment policy does follow Minnesota state statute uh 429 and we do u assess 40% of the benefiting improvements back to the property owners. that includes the street benefit and the storm sewer improvements. Um the water main and the sanitary sewer improvements are not proposed to be assessed and those will be paid through uh the associated um enterprise funds. So the assessment uh can be paid off in full um prior to November 15th. Otherwise interest would be charged after that date. And there's some dates um where interest would charge up to the end of this year. Um but the terms of the assessment are proposed at 20-year assessment at 5% interest for the um assessment policy. And so the assessments uh would be certified at the county in December if it were to move forward. Um we have not received any appeals for the assessments uh at this time. and uh written intent to appeal must be presented to uh by the property owner prior to this hearing or during the public hearing. Any um appeals after this hearing um would be invalid. And so if the project were to move forward um tonight um 204 Street, we're looking at a construction uh start soon after uh road restrictions in April here. Um and we're we would have the project completed um by June 16th or June 6th. Um prepayment deadline again is November 15th and then certification of the assessments would go to the county uh in December. So with that, I would stand for any questions and I'd request a public hearing be opened. >> Uh I only had one question that the intent is to have this done before the first s first center opens. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Fantastic. Um this is a public hearing. So if anybody had order the public hearing open anybody had >> Okay. Council member Burmel. >> Yeah. It seemed that nobody's coming forward. I'd make a motion to close the public hearing >> for a second. >> Second. >> Okay. >> All those in favor say I. I. I >> opposed public hearing is closed that any further discussion if not I'll take one very long move to approve one resolution awarding a contract to McNamera Contracting Incorporated for the 2026 miscellaneous roadway repairs and overlays project city project 26- -01 which includes alternate one for the High View Avenue Trail improvements. Two, resolution adopting assessments for city improvement project 2601. Three, resolution authorizing funding and 2026 budget amendments and fund transfers. And four, proposal with Brun Intertech for professional services. Is there a second? Second. Any further discussion? I see none. Roll call, please. Walter >> I >> Lee >> I >> W >> I >> Helier >> Hi >> Burmill >> I very good. Thank you Mr. Uh we'll now move on to item C. Lakeville 35 logistics center south edition preliminary and plaid and conditional use permit and Mr. Stum to tee this up. Welcome. Thank you. Good evening Mr. Mayor, members of the council. Uh Tom Stro with Likewise Partners here to represent our project. Um we're excited to get going on phase two of our Lakeville project. Uh phase one. Uh we're currently leasing and having good um good success so far. We got a couple of proposals uh on the first building. Hopefully you guys are excited about the way that turned out. Uh we're pretty excited about it. Um and why we're here to get going on phase two. So here for any questions. Okay. Council, any questions? I mean, more jobs would be great. I mean, the turf is fine, but Go ahead. >> Very tall tonight. Good evening, mayor, members of the council. Um, representatives from Likewife Partners have submitted the applications for a preliminary plat and a conditional use permit for a one lot, one outlot subdivision. The property is located just south of two um County Road 70 or Juniper Way and north of 215th Street. So, it's that um triangle-shaped piece. The property is directly across from their existing facility. The property is zone OP office park. So, the plary plant includes the one large lot and then an outlot um conditional use permit also for the use for a warehouse. The site plan includes construction of 171,000 square foot industrial building. It'll be two egress points onto 215th Street. No access to County Road 70. The grading and drainage um plan shows the ponding. This will be a private storm water management system. There is a large wetland that is being completely preserved. There are trees within the wetland that is very common and that will all be preserved. So there's no impact to the wetland or to the um and the proper buffer is being provided. In the OP district, we require a little high higher percentage of open space. 30%'s required. This plan is showing 46.6% green space. And for tree preservation, um 70% is allowed. They are below that threshold. However, they are adding additional trees. We asked for the continuation of the landscaping that's really existing within this wetland to be continued along County Road 70 as well as along 215th Street. So in the conditional use permit, there's a stipulation to extend that um along this side of the building as well. And then the appropriate building perimeter or landscaping is being provided. Um as he mentioned, the proposed elevations match pretty similar to the existing building. Um it's proposed with 96% or greater um grade A materials. So a smooth CA pre-cast um concrete panel with white, gray, and blue accents. Planning commission did hold a public hearing on this item on May March 16th. The applicant was present. There was no public comment and the planning commission unanimously recommended approval. And I'd stand for any questions. >> Okay. Council, any questions or comments? >> Just a comment. I looking at this what what I uh struck me and I noticed was the buildings orientation. Now granted there's a wetland there and so even if we wanted to have parallel buildings on 70 uh it wouldn't have worked but I'm just glad that there's some diversity in the orientation of the building so you don't look like you're going through some sort of tunnel. Um so uh and and the building looks great too. So good projects. Well, I'll just say the first one's been great, so we're glad that you're wanting to reinvestigate in the city again. So, thank you for that. Uh, council, I'll take a motion to approve the resolution. Councilor Walter, >> I move to approve one resolution approving the preliminary plat of Lakeville 35 Logistics Center, South Edition, and two, approval of a conditional use permit to permit a warehouse building in the OP Office Park District and adopt the findings of fact. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Any further discussion? Not roll call, please. >> Lee, >> I. >> Vulk. >> I. >> Helier. >> Hi. >> Burmill. >> I. >> Walter. >> I. >> Okay. We will now move into new business, but we're going to take a fivem minute break. We'll come back at 6:48. Allow those who are not on the agenda call day. Call it a day. So, if you're not on you're not on the agenda, no. No. Call it a day. I stand. Heat. Heat. Hey, hey, hey. Heat. Heat. because it's not an >> about a few other things. on a grill >> for like two hours and then I turned it up to 475. Okay, we'll now roll into uh our new business or also known as our work session. First item is residential interim ordinance uh related to housing. And I'll turn it over to Miss Goodro give an overview. Thank you. Um, as a request of the city council, a draft residential interimm ordinance has been prepared for your discussion. The intent of the ordinance is to put a pause in the acceptance of new applications for residential to allow the city time to study impacts of the metropolitan council's imagine 2050 regional planning document and its impact on our current 2040 comprehensive plan. as well as um allow us time to start working on the update of our comp 2050 comprehensive plan. So the ordinance would apply to new applications for residential plat a subdivision comprehensive plan amendment or reszoning request for the period of one year as it's written in draft form tonight. It does include a few exceptions. Um, and then any preliminary plot that's already been approved is already automatically exempted. But a few additional ones that are being included in this draft include subdivisions which have plary plat approval, subdivision applications for preliminary plat. So those are those applications that we're currently reviewing and there's currently three of them um for a total of 120 lots. and then properties that are currently undergoing the AUA process. In addition, the city has about 1,319 preliminary or final platted lots. So, if this were to take effect, there is a large amount of lots, both single family and town homes that have either received preliminary plat and are waiting for final plat are going through the process of final, you know, the individual phased final plat. um plus that additional 102 that are currently under review. So that's the way this draft stands. Um staff will listen to your conversation and take any direction um for any edits that you may wish to make. And I stand for any questions. >> Thank you. Just kind of broader background too. I mean part of this was impetus related to what's happening with the legislature and their efforts. um an idea about preemption in terms of local zoning. Uh when I first had a conversation with staff about wanting to do this, it was a little bit more up in the air on whether or not that they were going to go through with all those changes. And I thought we'd want to have plenty of time to think about how we wanted to react other than what was kind of just in law. Now, since then, the bill had failed in committee, but legislative leadership has signaled that they still want to get something done this year. So they could in theory they could go through their rules committee and still bring floor. So that's why I still want to have this conversation. You know my concern long term is that if we just keep building this year without having a moratorum. So whenever we kind of do that one year, it kind of puts a little bit more pressure on us to think through our comprehensive plan and how we may want to change things to react to what has happened to. And this gives us the opportunity think to put a pause on construction other than what has kind of you know met these requirements, plats and so forth. But then we can kind of sit together work session think about okay as we approach the comp plan this is what we want to do while not having a lot of new construction happening at the same time because we may have radically different ideas of where we want to go with zoning and land use based on what the state is telling us. So that's kind of where this is and I figured it makes sense work session instead of just bringing a an ordinance to to us as we're kind of working through this. That's kind of the background and happy to open up conversation and discussion and then if there's anybody that wanted to comment. Um we're welcome to but if you guys had any thoughts it's my fault. There seems to be um some good examples just within our city over the last several years. there's been many changes um has happened in some of our corridors. I mean, you look at Cedar um and lack of a bus line um and to me that's a big consideration to what does that corridor look like going forward um because the density plan there was kind of centered around the idea of a bus line or some other transit option coming down. Um, similarly, you're seeing changes in use of office park districts and and folks are just not building office parks in the same way. I think the concern and one of the examples that I keep thinking about is a property near Antlers Park, which in it in its current form could be preempted for uh quite a large uh residential facility. And I think that's something that we've heard loud and clear from residents that they don't want there. And I know that there's likely other examples of that around uh the city as well. So, um the one other thing that I think is timely is that we have a a joint session with the school district coming up and the topic is growth. And I think, you know, all of us want to think about this thoughtfully about where we're headed and what are the impacts of of housing and density and uh zoning both from a city standpoint and from a a school district standpoint. Um so it I don't I think there is a risk uh to a moratorum as well. Um, I don't want something else that I'm I'm thinking about is I don't want this to to feel like a city versus state thing. Um, and and have there be some sort of, you know, uh, conflict there because this is this is important to both parties. I mean, there's a housing shortage in Minnesota. We all know this. Um, so there needs to be a solution, but it I think the issue for me is that it can't be a one-sizefits-all solution. And when we were at the capital recently, that seemed to be the direction the the state was going was a one-sizefits-all. And so I don't know what the leadership plans to do, even if it failed in committee. I don't know what that looks like, but I think that um unknown is why we need to think about pausing um intentionally here. So, you know, you bring up a good example because of Warwick, for instance. The new law would require us to pick about a third of all commercial land that we would want high density in. So, while they give us time to do that, I want more time than what they're kind of talking about to be able to say, okay, because we're going to have to pick and choose where we still think commercial is viable based on kind of the growth and not willy-nilly based because they want to get a good deal, for instance. So, that's the perfect example of that. Councor Walter. >> Um, well, I think first off, the discussion at the state level has been frustrating in many regards, largely because I don't think there's any city that's done more to address the the housing needs of the state than Lakeville in recent years in terms of leading in number of units and permits and all of that. So, some of that's frustrating. I feel like what they're intending to do is is um intentionally jabbing those communities that are actually stepping up and and um uh and and contri contributing to the solution, whereas legislation exempts those communities that don't have housing going on and some of the smaller towns. So, I think that's that frustration uh has been very apparent uh in the in the legislature. I do I agree with what Councilman Council Member Lee has said. Um, to me, this is it's a good time to take a breather and assess where we're at. I think there's, you know, just hearing from people, I think there is some frustration with the growth of the community and how quickly we've grown and the school issues are are very real and we'll we'll be discussing those in the in the coming month um as well. So, I I I think it's generally a good idea, especially since we've got an an you know, there's still going to be growth going on because there's things that we've already um already approved. So, I like the idea. >> I have a question. >> Yes. >> Um, and I it's just a curiosity question. How do how does something like this I realize a year is a very short term, but how does it affect the property values for the current residents? And I don't know who answers that. I mean, if if new construction is limited, you would think that existing stock would increase just based on supply and demand, >> sale price, but I I mean, >> but we already went through this one time as a city. I mean, maybe a little bit longer, but what did it do to the the existing property at that time? Does anybody know? I realize there really is anybody here, but um and what do you >> I would know. They went up. So, former Minister Ericson is saying the property values went up. >> I mean, Mayor Council, I think it's hard to say, but I don't think it's it's been rare that property values have decreased in in Lakeville regardless of the um circumstances outside of maybe the the recession in '08 time frame. >> Well, I guess I was wondering if it was going to like temporarily plate prices. >> Well, I um it could I would be more concerned about that if we didn't have the the stock or the um >> number of lots that were still available. Um you know, if you look just with the ones that have been approved, you know, it's probably two plus years, three years of of permits based on our historical average over the past five years or so. So, I'd be more It meant that there weren't lots ready to be built on. >> So, are we messing up any cyclical? >> Yeah. I mean, I I Yeah, sure. No, I mean I think there's probably >> positives. I would like to hear some of the negatives. >> No, I would guess that there's probably some green field, meaning areas in town that have not gone through any of our process that we would be delaying for here. Um, so that would be a negative from builders probably standpoint that they would probably be frustrated. So I mean, yeah, it would have some negative on that industry. >> Uh, I'm at the point where I can say ditto because uh, a lot of really good points have been made including some of the questions about downside. Um, I think because of there's just a lot going on particularly at the state and I think it does make sense to take a pause, take a deep breath and to um just assess where we're at and how we can respond to, you know, we have the council imagine 3 2050. We have our own comp plan. Uh, we have the state doing things. It would be nice to be able to do that. Um, and I'm confident about it because of the 1319. Um, I would also want to manage expectations that saying a moratorum for a year does not mean construction's going to stop. >> It's going to pretty much look like it it had been for a while. Um, especially right off the bat because once again, we have 1319 out there. Um because I I do agree that if that number wasn't at that point, I I think it would have have an impact more of an impact uh than it will. So I'm I'm supportive of it uh because I do think it's a good chance to take a pause and it is feedback get from the community uh quite a bit and so it offers us an opportunity to just uh take a breath and see where we're at. >> Yeah. I mean, I think Cedar Avenue really good example to say somebody could come in tomorrow and want to build apartment where now that there's not transit, it might not make sense. >> When would the year start? >> Uh, from when we enact the order. >> Well, so I guess my thought process is is that you wouldn't even want to re you wouldn't want to act it till it was closer to the end of session. I mean, so that you were timing it. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think we probably wouldn't have anything ready first meeting in May when I would I mean or we could do um it would depend on what the guidance is. I mean the ordinance or the draft that's in your packet can be ready to go. Um we had posted on the website after tonight. Um there is some language in um the proposed stat or this proposed legislation. who knows where it's going to go. That does prohibit um >> so we wouldn't want to wait >> does prohibit uh moratoriums like this >> and so >> unless they were already in effect >> that's >> or if it just doesn't matter they're going to cancel the moratorum if it was a week into it and >> I'd probably defer to our city attorney on that. >> At this point it's not clear how that would apply to an existing moratorum. I would assume though it would be not retroactive >> yeah from that council member Lee >> I just want to provide one little context just for listening public purposes um that your comment council member Walter about um just the legislation this is not a a partisan issue uh which is kind of interesting if anyone's following the these sessions there is bipartisan support and bipartisan descent on on this housing issue. And so, u I just don't want anyone tuning in maybe for the first time on some of this housing legislation to think that this is a council that's uh talking about a particular party. This is uh again bipartisan uh across the board support and and descent for this. So, uh, that's why we just don't know exactly how the legislature is going to to go, uh, or what's going to come out of this because it's a very interesting session when it comes to negotiations. >> Well, truthfully, I'm the only person here that doesn't want to do this, but everybody is like fully in charge, ready to rock and roll on it. So, I just want to make sure that if we're going to do it, then then it's a timing issue. I want to make sure that we've got the right timing on it so that you get um the results you're looking for. >> Okay. And our comments. >> Okay. I think is that >> Can I ask one question? >> Yep. >> Um are the different exceptions that are in the draft acceptable? Yeah, I'm comfortable with that. >> Yeah, I think that's only fair. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you, Tina. That's good. Appreciate it. Okay. Uh moving on to uh item B, water treatment expansion study. And homie, you're back up again. All right. Thank you, mayor, city council members. So, tonight I'd like to present again the water treatment plant expansion study um and see council's direction on how to proceed. Uh no more no formal action is u requested tonight. This is justformational item, but staff is looking for council direction on whether to advance one of the alternatives into design and long range capital planning. Um our consultant Bo Johnson is here um from Black & Beach. um if you have any questions for him and to assist on any technical questions. So again, this uh item was brought before the city council at the work session last year on a on August 25th to discuss um water treatment expansion and alternatives. Um tonight we are again going to talk about all those alternatives, but we've got some updates in terms of the costs and uh rate impact analysis that was done last year as well. So, just to review, um the water treatment plant um was originally built in 1998. Um originally was at 10 million gallons peak production per day. Um was improved or expanded to uh 20 million gallons per day in 2021 and then uh the filters were rerated to 26.5 million gallons in 2015. And that's where we are today with our treatment capacity. So, but looking projected wise at needing additional capacity down the road uh to meet our full buildout um and u projections that um for for the city. So, and the gap we're looking at is the the um capacity needed to to make um to go from 26.5 million gallons up to the 33.1 million gallons. And that's based upon um population um ex uh projections that we we have within the city the the peak um factors that are typically used for these type of calculations and the flow average um or the consumption per person um per u individual in the city um working on that. So >> my question is is first question is is based on that. >> Okay. You know, I I think what Met Council had us at 79,000 >> for now coming in 2026. I think it's low to say we're only 6,000 people in the next 14 years. So let's say we're we get it's 90,000 by 204 enough capacity. So there there is some redundancy and some additional future capacity that we are have built into the expansion um projection. So the firm capacity is at 30.5 um million gallons um per day. That's if we just look at the um population um projections and we do we are um estimating a need for 33.5 um which gives us a little wiggle room there. >> So that we're talking about basically if we're at 93,000 then we're out because it's 10% you know over. >> Yep. And then we got to think about, okay, so then then we have to have the conversation about, you know, in whenever we hit that 93 number, then we're going to need more capacity. So, well, maybe you cover this. In either of these alternatives, can we, you know, can a future council say, "Okay, we're at 90,000. We're going to have to actually expand more than what we had planned 2026." there there is some opportunity the alternate one to do additional expansion. Um alternate two is is a tight site so there probably wouldn't be additional capacity that would be available there. Um but >> but technically so you could still ex let's say so so to get the biggest expansion though >> populationwise and not cost it's building the secondary site and then if we get over that 93,000 then expanding the initial water treatment plant at another cost to meet a higher demand. >> That that that's that's an older alternative that uh definitely would be >> you can't reverse that. You couldn't just >> Well, he just said that this >> So, meaning you would >> No, no, you could do No. Yes. Or you could do it the flip. You could expand >> expand first there and then eventually build the second. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, so yeah, there's there's mult alternatives there, but >> course it costs more to >> Right. >> do years down the road. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Right. So that and that's that's the biggest uh thing we we'd like to talk about. Um so again let's see um again the uh the three alternatives that uh we discussed um back in April or August of last year um itre was expanding the existing water treatment plant existing site um that two was constructing a satellite water treatment plant someplace close along the uh raw water uh distribution main um piping u network. And then three is just looking at a max day bypass which would include no treatment um missions at this time, but we would um make accommodations to bypass the plant, still treat the water for the the EPA and Department of Health requirements of fluoride and and chlorine, but uh we treat for the naturally occurring minerals um maganesees and iron that's in our water. So, and again, so the two alternatives that we we looked at was expanding the existing water treatment plant which is shown here at IPAVA um Boulevard and then uh at right across the street from the CMF um central maintenance facility next to the Fiser property. And the lines shown on the map here are all of our raw raw water mains uh distributions that are collecting the water from the wells bring it to the water treatment plant. So again, alternate number one would be to add two additional filters at the existing water treatment plant. Um we would have to increase the um uh high surface pumps um to to facilitate additional water distribution out of the out of the treatment plant. um making those from a four MGD um uh pump and motor to 14 million gallons per day and then adding a 1.5 million gallon reservoir at the existing plant site as well. Then there's some ancillary chlorine expansion, some electrical needs as well to facilitate those improvements. Then alter number two was a satellite plant. This is one of the concepts that we we looked at was to um add the water treatment plant on our existing um property just north of 179th Street just east of the of the well or of the U water tower. Uh this is about a 20,000 square foot building. Uh access will be provided you know off of Graanby Lane. We that that that's can be either off of Granby or uh Dodd Boulevard. And then there would be a clear wa well that would be constructed at this facility and then a backwash tank as well. It would be underground. So we we talked about alternative comparisons um pros and cons for each of these alternatives. Um one of the biggest ones that we want to highlight again is the redundancy uh aspect of adding a satellite plant um to the network. It does provide additional redundancy um u during and during any uh closure or uh disruption at the existing water treatment plant. It would provide a average winter day demand uh throughout the community as well and it does provide re resilience as well. Um it we would be able to push water around to different parts of the city a little bit better than we are today. uh especially on the eastern side of the city where um the existing water treat plant's about five miles away from like pilot uh pilot knob road um we do in the summertime get some reduction of the water um pressures in those areas get some complaints the water treatment plant uh the satellite plant would definitely help that aspect as well. Um and then water qualitywise, um alter number one and number two are the same. Again, alter number three where we just have the bypass would definitely decrease the water quality, uh especially in the summer months at those peak period demand demand um time frames. And then uh operations and maintenance again um the alternative number one and number three would be more or less the same. we do uh have additional equipment um and operation maintenance uh needs for alternate number two. So that's the the big change there. And then future POS uh issues if there were to be um additional requirements where we' start have to start treating for PAS um you would be or any other contaminants within our our water. Um it would be a lot easier to to start with number two. um and work and um do additional treatment at the existing water treatment plant at that time. So um and again I I just want to stress the redundancy is is the biggest advantage to to number to the alternate number two. >> Um can I ask a really dumb question? I it really is kind of dumb. I'll ask Justin if um if we did one or three um would we give up the land that we have available um to be able to do a second water treatment plant and so then we at a future date we'd be looking for a place to have it. >> Sure. Um so staff would recommend that we hold on to that property regardless. Um in the upcoming meeting you are going to be seeing a proposal um for some future development concepts on the remaining parcels of that property um which is going to show that we're reserving this property either for public works usage of some kind or for a water facility. >> Okay. >> Sound a stupid question. >> Good question. >> We all had it. Okay, go ahead. >> Okay, thanks. >> Yep. So, uh moving on. So, the uh preliminary cost estimate that we looked at um uh we refined some of the numbers and gave a range of what potential costs uh we could incur by each of their three options. So, alter number one, the expansion is anywhere we're thinking between 22 and 26 million. The new plant uh satellite plant would be between 37 and 42 million. And the bypass is the cheapest alternative um with no filters and uh water treatment uh improvements at 14 to 16 million. So really the new water treatment plant the the delta between uh alternate number one and number two is about $15 million. And that's the redundancy benefits that you receive and the resilience of the ability to push water around to different parts of the city as need be. So, and then we did complete a comparison of our community with other uh similar size cities within the metro area here. Uh the uh re results were that you most of the cities our size have at least one treatment plant. There are a few cities that that only have one, but I know Maple Grove is looking at adding a satellite plant in the future. So that's just kind of another data point to consider. >> How many wells do we have? >> We have uh 20 wells. >> So oops. And then uh again so um >> can you go back one more? >> Yep. So in the so utility rates analysis that was completed last year as well um based upon the the costs that were provided um back then uh the satellite plan we would be looking at a five% uh rate increase between uh for 2027 and 2028 uh assuming a 20-year bond and for the expansion of the existing plant we're looking at a 2% uh increase in 2027 just for that expansion. Are we able and maybe this is a question for Miss Stall let's say you know if you think about the crunch right now in economy you know people are affordability obviously is a big question can we spread that out where we're doing two or 3% over a couple years versus a big push of five and five or does that impact how we can pay back the bonds? Um, mayor, we did factor in so for we with the CIP, we built it um based on the scenario one with the the satellite plant. Um, so that's issuing 35 million of bonds and um, you know, we could spread those rate increases out, but again, it's it's all in the timing, too, because um, we're already tapping into the operating funds for part of the funing. sources. So, um the bonding issues we could we could um it depends how we would structure that. Northland would be a guide on that. We'd have to consult with them as far as can we spread these increases out >> and what does that look like um for the stability of the funds that are helping to source this? >> Yeah, I'd be curious just to say if we were doing 333, 55 and 3, you know, whatever. And that's that's it. Okay. >> Definitely look at that. >> Well, I'm I know this is really goofy and maybe there's a way to do it, but is there like a way to borrow from ourselves so that you're using those um funds that you're going to use for the fire station, but you're planning on using it for water in the future? I can't remember what you call. Do you know what I'm trying to say? franchise fee. >> So there's no way to wiggle anything so that you pay for it through that utility. >> The franchise fees were we definitely structured those to be paying the principal and interest on the fire station and the first center bonds only. One of the questions I had was related to the footprint of the current water treatment plant uh seems to be um limited by road infrastructure, but I'm thinking about how the fire station that's there now may not be used in the same way in the future. Does that have the ability to expand our footprint to allow for larger expansions? So if we moved a road for example or a parking lot. >> Yeah, moving a road is is cheap compared to this infrastructure. So we can we can move roads and and push things around. Um maybe just go back to that oops go back to that slide alternate one. So um yeah, so again the filters would be on the south end of the of the building. So that kind of um it's there's really you know no impacts to that. Um uh the original water treatment plant um layout had already envisioned expansion of the uh the clear well up in the northeast corner >> of the site here. So that's that's already been planned for too. So I mean in in terms of needing additional property um I think the campus right now is is adequate for you know for this type of improvement. So if there was need for part two of an expansion in 2040, can you expand it further? >> Um well, yeah, that it would be hard >> or just like going to the max with alternate one. >> It it more or less is I mean we really don't have much room for additional clear water storage up in this area. We are pretty much I mean you can move the road down here a little bit. Um in terms of the uh the filters the problem is we really have to look at the distribution mains the plant as well too. So those I mean the I think the and B can help me out here, but I think the the um plant was only looked at to for one expansion and and up to a certain um gallons per minute in terms of the design for the pipes and for the uh the other infrastructure associated with the distribution um system. So that might have to be looked at if we go above and beyond um the first expansion up to that 33 million. So >> I mean one thing that I I appreciated about the planning of the water treatment plant is that when you're inside you can see the especially where the filter addition uh place. I mean you can see where the wall tended to be >> absolutely >> expanded. I mean that's exactly where it was intended to go. Um so great planning. Um, I don't know how many years ago this build building was built, but great planning there. >> Yep. >> Um, so I guess I alternative three I just I think we've already said is off the table. I don't think anyone really wants that as an option to just bypass the uh chemicals that we use to make our water drinkable and soft and all that kind of stuff. Um, alternative one, I I am really weighing how much redundancy I is worth the $20 million for a new facility. Um, because the current one is has redundancies built in, not to the level that I think you're you're the ideal is. Um, but I mean we have you you mentioned I I asked a couple questions via email and you mentioned that there's already redundancy and power with a generator. There are some other internal things that we can do to to manage some redundancies, but it's not to the the fullest capacity that we could um with a separate site. Um, but how much more redundancy is worth that 20 million is kind of what's going on in my head. And um I I just I can't justify it at the moment. I I think with the planning that was already done with this uh facility. I'd like to make sure we have that land on hand for additional expansion at a separate site in the future when we we need to think about that. But there are also other ways we can be thinking about managing peak water uh use when it comes to policy. Um how people use their irrigation systems in the summer. and we haven't needed to use that lever that much, but I think it is something that we can consider if we want to keep those peak use uh numbers down. So I that's why I think I I really am heavily leaning on alternative one. Um so I don't know other thoughts. Well, can you talk again about and I you haven't really covered this, but I when you talk about redundancy except for like site redundancy and cyber attack type stuff I get worried about. So having a secondary physical site >> I don't can't put a dollar on that. If you have any thoughts about that and then the other aspect you said you mentioned something about how site two can pivot a little bit easier future stuff versus site one. Can you talk a little bit about? >> Sure. So for um for the uh redundancy um again, you know, having two plants um as shown by other communities have our size that have two plants. You know, it's it's you look at it from, you know, just a sight perspective. So if there was a fire or tornado that would just hit one of our first hit the water treatment plant, we would be down for extended period of time. At least when you have a satellite plant, you could meet those winter day um peak winter day demands or even average day demand potentially if you have a satellite plant. So we're just looking at kind of we worst case scenario type of uh situations when we get that that that satellite plant. We do have again we do have a lot of redundancies within the plant but I mean there's it's a mechanical system. There's a lot of moving parts to that thing. So, a lot of things that can go wrong daily basis, but you know, um there there are a lot of different things that um or a lot of advantages to having that satellite plant. And it just, you know, it's something that communities our size have always looked at, you know, uh at least in the metro area here, having a at least having a somewhat of a backup system um if the main um water treatment plant were to go down. So that's you know that's that's the importance I think of the uh the satellite plant. Now for POAS um it's more of an engineering question you know once you get the filters in there um and the configuration just gets kind of screwed up of how to treat it are and Bo Johnson can you know can address that a little bit more but it's it's it's more complicated uh to to treat PAS after you get some more of the filters in here. So that's that's the only thing um that we want to note on on POS improvements. >> Thank you for having me here. Specifically related to PAS um that satellite usually with the PAS you have some sort of polishing treatment on the end of a plant. So um you know you're already treating the water and you're putting in another facility that is kind of handling that. um handling just the removal of the PAS. So um obviously with the existing plant you have large flows and the space is pretty much allocated. We don't have a lot of place to put another um building or another uh set of contactors to remove those PAS. Um now uh at a satellite plant we can plan for that a little bit easier. Leave a little bit of space if something happens. Uh now we have the ability to um uh to to send that water directly to that to that plant. Um right now uh we have taken as part of the study we did take a look at your POS. You guys currently don't have a POS issue. So, um, but there's a lot of lot of folks around there that have that PAS contingency plan on what happens if and so, um, it would be easier to kind of save space on that other facility for that type of treatment. >> I'm not an engineer at all or anything in any I can build a Lego. Uh, so let's say a well in one part identifies as POS. Can we direct that well just like we only adapt one FA and not the other one or would you have to have it on both? >> Well, um so we can kind of take a look at it from a uh it's kind of a it's regulated from a blended standpoint. So if you have a if you have one well that's high in PAS. Typically you would treat that one well. You can that's called wellhead treatment. If you have a number of wells that have POS now you're kind of going to a more of a water treatment plant uh uh treatment. So, we would try to direct those wells to that place where you have have treatment. And I think that there was a map. Um, all your current wells don't really have it. So, you could isolate that off and send all those wells to your current water plant because that's where they're going right now. You don't have a problem. Those new wells would need to go to that that new plant. >> Okay. >> Let's actually I told Burma, >> sorry, >> I thank you. I I was just going to say I mean as I read through all of this considered it I look at water and I go this is possibly probably the most life sustaining resource the city offers the community. Um every bit of emergency manager in me says redundancy uh is particularly important for something like this. So I I lean towards uh option two and having a a satellite uh system simply for redundancy and uh you know the mayor alluded to a cyber attack or something or any kind and you now have two places uh that that are going to be more redundant. Um so I I favor alternative number two. I have to say though when I look at the sticker on them, you know, neither of these is cheap. And you know, it's it's so it's at first my first glance it's like, well, it's only 15 million more. Well, that's a lot of money. Um, but I do think that whatever we do, uh, it's going to be cheapest to do it now, whichever. I mean, we can't do both. Um, I really appreciate I I appreciate the question earlier about population growth that if we did do two sites and our population still grew beyond our wildest expectations, we have the ability to add on to one of those to address that need. Um, and that's going to be obviously be more expensive in the future. So, I I recognize the cost. Um, I think that uh whichever one we're going to do, we're going to have to take a good look at the projects that we have going at at at any time and figure it out. But I I favor uh simply from a redundancy and a security standpoint. I I favor alternative number two. Council early, >> just going back to your PIFA's uh comment about where it's easier to build, but if we didn't have that second site on the table at all, are you saying you can't fit that facility? >> No, I'm not saying you couldn't fit the facility at this and and we did do a study. Well, it was a it was a technical memorandum specifically saying what what do you do if you have PAS? Um, and we did we did have a alternative that would convert some of the space in the back. You can kind of see up in the top of that that could convert it to this additional PAS. It will be tight. Um you you you you could do it. You could put some sort of treatment on there. It would just be a very cramped site on where we would be, but um we do have options there. I think the point is it would just be easier at the other site. >> Sure. I just I also don't believe we're completely landlocked in our current footprint. Um there are takes some negotiations and some movement around of things but uh this isn't the the borders here are not firm. We could figure out other ways to make this bigger too but >> they want to build the middle school on the other side of the road. >> Just to be clear though I think what Paul was saying earlier though is while we could there's a limit to how much >> span that can leave the site. >> Yep. So we could buy new property around there, but it doesn't necessarily mean we could produce more water out of it. >> Right. Well, and just to be clear, it was more in relation to the PAS, which isn't really increasing your capacity. It's just another type of treatment that you'd need to build on top of it, right? >> Plus, it also has to go into what the levels. >> So, you have 20 wells right now. majority of the wells I think there's a couple wells with some very minor lowle regulatory levels right now so there's some there but it's very low levels right so you have to look at it from the effluent after everything's kind of blended together and it goes out the plant now if you have a large plume that is in some wells that can add some stuff up or that can increase the uh pas on the back end of the plant then you have to put the the treatment in. But there are other options. There's wellhead treatment, putting it at the well, treating that directly, then putting it into the system and bringing it over. Um, typically that's pretty expensive. Um, I know that Woodberry put in some emergency well treatment while they got their water treatment plant up and running, but it is uh it is kind of an expensive ordeal if you're dealing with it on on that end. Walter, >> I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't complain about the the need to um um that we're we're planning for, you know, three days a year or whatever at that peak usage that that it it's the whole system is built for when when that first graph you showed when all the usage is well below that, we're all just preparing for that really hot day when everybody's watering their lawns. So, I I um >> three months of the year, not three days. I mean, it's the >> Well, I'm >> I mean, the water goes up. >> How many peak use stays do we have? I mean, how would we meet when do we get close to that? >> Right now, we're we're not close to our peak. Um uh it'll be a couple more years, but uh it all depends on the weather obviously. So we could have one, you know, the last five years, six years, we've had pretty mild summers >> that can change in a dime and we could be, you know, maxing out our plant on a daily basis really quick. >> So it >> Well, that's just no, that's just a general frustration. >> I wanted to broaden it. So >> that's okay. I I will rebut during your remarks as well. Um, so anyway, that aside, whether disagreements obviously on on that topic, I I think um regardless, I think we should look again at restructuring the water rates to to incentivize less water use. I I hate to raise that issue again, but you know, you've got a lot of people watering a lot of lawns. >> Yeah. >> And um that's driving up the rates for all of us. And um there's and we can't just flip a switch and turn off irrigation. we have our ordinance um on when you can water and not and you know >> half the people live by that half the people don't know it's there and and so anyway I'm just that that's my little opening vent ventilation here but um and not to muddy the water but I think I agree with with uh John on the redundancy piece um I mean we're in weird times um I I I don't think you can can articulate how valuable that is um and so I I'm I'm leaning towards that option I think but >> what's Sorry. What is it like our our timeline? Because the reason I ask question is if we had a little bit information to think about one if we tweak rates a little bit based on what you're saying on usage >> and then do >> how much I mean >> or look at it there is yeah look at >> we look at it under a new system and then also looking at >> spreading out the 5% over maybe a couple years. I mean do we have enough time to have that conversation? What's like our >> free raise? I mean, what is our conversation timeline? >> That that's fine. I mean, I mean, if you um we could we could talk about it over in the next few months. I mean, our our goal was to try to get um you know, something designed this fall and potentially built 2027. But, I mean, I think we still have a some flexibility in our schedule to to accommodate, you know, and uh look at those questions. >> Yeah, I wouldn't slow down any of the design stuff. I just think it'll we'll be able to have a better answer on financing and >> they have to slow down the design stuff unless we tell them that we're going with an alternate and then keep going and then have conversation otherwise they have to slow down because they don't have no idea if we're going one two or three. >> Yeah. I guess for me no matter what like I'm okay today with the redundant site at the five and five I'm just trying to think how can we ease this >> water users so that's why for me like I don't see it slowing down it's just at the same time can we parallel track conversations about the financial side of things and the impact >> yeah mayor and council we can we can probably get back to you pretty quickly on the the rate side of things um the what might be a little bit longer of a discussion we'd have to talk with Dor at who also does the water utility rate um structuring the tiers that might be a little bit >> more I guess what if we don't even >> we can come back to you probably in the next I would say on the >> yeah I guess you know how do how do you break up the 3% or three and a half% a year amongst the higher tier and the >> yeah we can I think the model's set up to where we can play with that we can okay we So, I'm leaning I'm leaning towards it's cheaper now. I realize it's expensive. I don't >> but on the to to build on the second site what because we have it. It's a great location for it and it's a great place to have the redundancy and it plans for the future in case we get even bigger. I and I have a feeling are >> agree. >> Um, >> you're kind of still at the same spot. >> Yeah. I'm not gonna end up agreeing with you all on that one, but uh it doesn't happen very often, but it's okay. >> Yeah. So, I think keep down the road on two and then we can continue having conversations about impact on rateayers. >> Very good. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Direction. You get to stay because now we're going to talk about the other large you want to spend money. >> Yeah, >> Paul. >> Yeah, but that one's needed. >> Jamming all of his requests at one time. Get them all done. 57 There it is. It's coming. >> We got it. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. All right. So, this is uh like to talk a little bit about our central maintenance facility needs study that was recently completed. So, um just uh the little background on the the facility itself. So the central maintenance facility was constructed in 2002. Uh building size isund a little over 109,000 square feet. Um the CMF does um house the street division, fleet division, park maintenance, forestry uh services employees, and then the construction services uh employees as well. So with a total of 46 uh full-time staff members to date and then we expand that to another 30 an additional 35 seasonals uh during the summer months. So the CMF needs study uh there was first uh CMF needs study was originally completed in 2016 and we recently updated it this year just to take it uh take a look at um how things have changed. Um the study did include um our current study did include the current operations, how we um um what's what's the operations that take place at the facility, the fleet inventory. We looked at deep dive into that, the facility conditions, um the building is getting a little old and then the future community growth as well. And so one of the key assumptions that we made was the that the maintain um all the operations um from public works and parks the services would be u maintained at its current levels. We're not going to um move in up or down on the service levels or that was just our our baseline. And then our goal is to identify long-term facility improvements to support those operations. So, um, looking at the city again, talking about growth from 20, uh, 2002, population back then was right around 45,000. Today, it's like 78,000, so it's about 73% growth. Uh, again, the the street lane miles, the center line, we have were at 210 back in 2002, and now we're at about three uh 335, 60% growth there. Plow relative almost has have doubled. park amenities. Uh park uh parks itself uh are up from 41 to 73 right now and growing and then um you know park acreage as well too is is up about 80%. So um a lot of growth that has happened over over the time um and looking out into the future we still have approximately 3400 acres left of developable land that's out there not including any annexations at this time. So there's still a potential for a lot of growth and then uh we are assuming a a full build out in 2040. So what we did look at uh again was the current facility and that uh what's what's happening at at the facility. So vehicle storage um where we house all of our vehicles is is undersized. Currently, our operations, we're parking part um uh vehicles, specifically most of our a lot of our pickup trucks in the drive aisles over over um just because we're we're out of space or parking them outside. Um and obviously parking vehicles outside um does incre increase some of the uh the maintenance issues and u longevity of those vehicles. parking vehicles in the drive aisles. That can be a safety hazard for the employees to try to get in and out and move move vehicles around like that. And then also with the loss of the old public works building, uh we did lose um some seasonal storage there um at at now that we had to find space for. So currently we are renting offsite warehouse space to accommodate um most of those most of that equipment. So for the maintenance operations, uh the fleet the fleet um um shop is currently we feel is undersized um for the amount of vehicles and the maintenance that's required for our uh fleet mechanics. Um and then um we only have one wash bay currently right now which um for all the vehicles especially in the winter months it really slows down the operations um clo cleaning and uh making sure those those vehicles are are well maintained and cleaned for the next say event. And then looking at the office lunchroom areas um there currently is no security barriers between the reception area and the uh the staffing um office area. So, we'd like to look at improving that. And then the lunchroom um is not very functional right now for meetings and joint um joint meetings and things like that, gathering areas. There's a lot of um changes that that should take place there. We did look at a space comparison from uh of other communities as well in shown here. So, you know, based upon where the city's at, um, at our current spot, we are one of the we have one of the smallest facilities. Um, based uh, comparative to our other, uh, cities, as you can see here. Um, you know, we're we have one of the highest amounts of parks or in park areas and street miles that that we maintain, but we have one of the smallest uh, facilities um, on this list. Even Rosemont's pretty big and fancy now. >> Is it? >> Oh, yeah. I just toured it. Yeah. Huge. >> Yeah. >> And then uh so again, the recommendation be to increase the size of our indoor storage um to accommodate full fleet um storage in in in one location. We'd like to add wash bays um to facilitate um you know operations and making sure that we're that operations are are taking place on a timely basis and not being backed up and and lingering for days on end. Adding a sa sanitary bay for parks for their garbage truck. Um for fleet area again we'd like to add additional service bay for um vehicle storage and then a welding bay and fabrication area which is are our the one we have right now is unsized for our needs. And then um looking at the office improvements. Um so again we would like to improve the reception area for security making sure there's a barrier between um the office area and the public space similar to what we have here at city hall. Uh reconfiguring the office space to accommodate uh current and future um staffing. And then re model remodeling the lunch uh area to have it a better meeting space. And then we'd like to add additional parking and some minor access improvements on the west side of the facility. So this is a um aerial view of what the improvements um are proposed to be. So the big red area again is the vehicle storage area. That would be the addition. Um the the blue area to the south. That's the mechanical um bays that would be added plus the welding bay area. um adding parking to the uh northeast side um additional parking area there and then some access off to the west by the by the existing culdeac. And then I just wanted to highlight this though the um stalls shown here in green are the stalls that already would be utilized u with our existing vehicles that we already have. So 58% of the addition that is being proposed right now is just to store um park the existing vehicles that we already have in our inventory. So here's just a real snapshot of the uh um quick snapshot of the facility improvements. Again, um security out in front by the reception area here, adding some walls, reconfiguring some of the uh office space here. Um the lunchroom is shown here in green too, so that better um uh better utilizing that space for meetings and meeting areas. Um office or the uh fleet area. Again, the wa the mechanics bay, the welding bay is here. Reutilizing the small uh welding bay here for additional service area and then re uh remodeling the fleet uh office area for for for small area as well. So the I guess the question is why now the city you know again has grown over 70% since the existing facility was built. Uh we are in need of additional storage space for existing fleet inventory. The existing uh facility again is is at capacity. The loss of the uh old public works building has reduced our for storing vehicles at this time and then the the city is currently paying to rent offsite warehouse space to accommodate some of that storage needs. So the plenary cost as put together by Ortel Architects um is shown here. Uh the rough estimate right now is a little over $28 million. Most of that cost is associated with a vehicle storage at 26.1 million and the associated cost um for the other areas is shown as well. So that's highlights of the need study and I'd open it up to any questions that you may have. >> Okay. Thanks. Well, I remember going to this my first year in council. I thought, well, I'll never have to worry about that 10 years from now. But here we are. Um, so my first question is Brad, how much of the first center are you willing to give up for inside storage? It's a loaded question, but um I mean there there is the warehouse being built down there obviously and it won't be occupied uh entirely by police and fire. So there will be some storage, but certainly less than they had in the past, I'm sure. Okay. Um, so then my my Well, I'll let you guys talk too. I I have some opinions about, you know, the office stuff makes total sense to me, the maintenance and all. It's it's the inside storage that I have a little bit of heartburn and I I'd like to think about, you know, how do we do everything when it comes to office space, lunchroom, maintenance, wash, and then thinking about maybe like not heated, covered for the vehicles instead. and what does that look like? And >> carport, you know, or or whatever it is. Um, so I I I don't know if you've looked at numbers and that or what other people have and at least where I was starting with it because for me >> a building for I've had I've had I've gone to lunch there and they definitely he's not kidding when you talk about lunchroom and all that kind of stuff and office and um it makes total sense to have more ability to wash bay and do sanitation and and maintenance for sure. It's just that, you know, we would all love heated indoor parking, >> but when you look at the fleet, I mean, you walk through the aisles now, our fleet is maintained immaculately. I mean, the the vehicles, I don't know how old they are. You can tell that they're wellmaintained. And I think part of that is because of the facility that they are stored in. Um, this expansion was a lot more attractive when we were talking about alternative one in the last one. Um, of course I have a really hard time. >> Imagine imagine I >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I know we could do both of these projects for >> as alternative too. Um that so that's really my only comment because I I do think that we need this to maintain our assets well because I think part of that is just maintaining the the value of the fleet that we have and being able to repair our fleet and store it. So I mean I I can't argue against any of these improvements. I just again go back to what we just talked about and I think we could pay for it all within the last budget of Thomas >> $26 million vehicle storage though is a lot different than a water treatment plant for 26 million do you do you see the difference to the public they understand you need to treat water what they will never quite grasp is why we're spending $26 million to keep everything undercover. So I I'm just saying, you know, there's a lot of story that's got to go with that, but one is easier to explain than the other. >> Sorry, did you have an answer about covered storage versus >> Well, I was I was just going to recommend uh Thomas Strostead is here from Ortel Architects. They helped us put together the need study. Maybe maybe Thomas has some ideas, >> you know. Facilitate uh >> you have here. Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Yeah. >> Um I I do think there's a way to create different solutions for different uh portions of the fleet. You know, Paul talked about rotational stock. I think there's something with a cold storage solution where we could downsize the warm storage, leverage some into a colder storage. I mean, right now we're looking at getting all of the fleet inside and planning for some growth. Um, I I think there's a a pathway that leads us to having all the fleet inside, plan for x amount of growth, and then facilitate offsite or on-site storage at a I don't want to say lesser quality, but a different environmental condition. So, I think there's flexibility in that 26 million. But, it's such a catch 22 because as the building gets more expensive, you know, all the rolling stock gets more expensive, too. I mean, you're looking at $650,000 for a plow truck and keeping that outside. But there are but there are things where you could keep the trailers, for example, is a very common uh thing that we see put into a cold storage solution. So, >> yeah. Well, I Yeah, I just Yeah, I just think there's a lot of stuff that trailers and lawn kinds of stuff. >> You have other Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. And I was just going to say I looked at this and you know, you read the water treatment one, read this one, and you go, "Wow." Um, but I I had the same thought. It's like, uh, I don't think I I totally agree that we don't want vehicle sitting outside exposed to the elements because the first time a hail storm comes through >> Yeah. >> uh, that's going to be pretty brutal. Um, so I think there's some value in having them at least covered, enclosed, probably enclosed, but whether or not it's, you know, warm storage or cold storage, um, I I think I think I would look for the cheapest alternative. >> It's just that we don't get any difference in insurance rates hardly. So, I mean, for having cars repaired for hail damage, we're having repaired for hail damage. >> Yeah. You got to repair them. No, when they're sitting inside, you wouldn't be insuring them. There isn't a different insurance rate for them being versus >> versus out. Is >> there an impact on insurance? >> I don't know if there's a difference there. >> Okay. All right. That that's just what I was thinking. >> And then just one thing to point out um you know much like the discussion we had with the water treatment plant, that plant was designed for expansion. This site was also designed for expansion. So, this isn't something that I mean, we've had I just >> Oh, yeah. >> the CIP for 10 years. >> Um, and it's always been two years out and two years out. So, >> it's probably about time that we try to figure something out. >> And I I don't disagree with the idea that it needs to be expanded and I think we need to protect the vehicles. >> Well, and it gets more expensive every year. just I'm just kind of figuring out trying to figure out if there's a way to do that a little bit cheaper and and that's big thing. And then the other question I had as I read it, it know you talked about long-term facility needs and planning that. Um and I really appreciated the picture with the green dots because I think that was really a good visual about how we can immediately begin to use that but that it won't be full the second we move those vehicles over there. So, I appreciated seeing that and I I just in the back of my mind I'm going how far in the future, you know, is it 10, 15, another 20 years because we will, you know, at some point we'll reach our our critical mass, but I think there's going to be some growth. you know, we we can value engineer the the storage uh facility a little bit more and try to reduce some of that cost and bring that information back to you at a future um business section as well. >> I mean, I think >> like to see get to the point though where they have more than one wash bay. That's just nuts, you know? I mean there we've been putting this off forever and a day since I first got re or got elected the >> No, I agree. I mean I think we're all kind of think at this point we have to it's time we've kicked the can for a decade and now it's time to do something. It's just how can we tweak it and maybe so I I think that makes total sense to try to value that up a little bit. Um but it sounds like we're all fine with the office and everything. just the vehicle storage. How would we get more creative with that? >> And I'll say just one last time, let's have one more conversation with school district because they have these needs too. I mean, they've boked at that time and time again, but maybe they're finally willing to have and maybe we'll bring it up at our meeting on 27th. >> A good point. >> We've had that >> where they've said for a long time they don't really want to partner on some cost for that stuff. And maybe they do. I don't know. >> Okay. Any other >> have any money though? I mean, it's not their fault, but they really don't. >> They're about to Well, >> I know. >> I'm not gonna get into that. >> Yeah, >> we can tell it. It's They're good for how long? Five years. Then they're going to come back at us and say, "Oh, we're making cuts and we got to take our vehicles away." >> Yeah. >> So, I think Do you have direction? Thank you. >> Appreciate it. >> Anything else last before we move on? >> Okay. Thank you, guys. Uh, council committee updates. I think the only thing I would just sent this out. Let's think about who wants to go to Park City. >> Uh, Nashville. >> Nashville for NLC. So, think about that. Um, it's on my 42nd birthday, so I don't know if I'm uh with that announcements. Uh, the state of the city is on Wednesday at uh Chart House. So, that's a Lakeville Chamber event with myself and city staff giving updates on what happened last year. Next council meeting is April 20th here in the council chambers. As we kind of alluded to, uh there's a special city council meeting with ISD 194 on Monday the 27th right here at city hall. That I'll take a motion to adjourn. >> Some moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. We're >> Yes. Luckily, she told me