uh good evening and welcome to the May 28th City Council work session if you join me for moment silence plge algi to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all um we'll move on to Citizens comments this is an opportunity for anybody citizens or business people that want to share anything that's not related to an agenda item typically it okay we'll move on to um our first item a pan frog update and I'll turn it over to Mr Omi I don't know if you're going to te it up for Paul or what yeah I'll just te it up okay that's right so yeah well thank you uh so P Frog's right around the B again so we getting close to Fourth of July so thoughta would this be an opportunity to bring representatives from the panod board in talk about U some changes to their events and new events that they're bringing in so um lot of excitement around this year's U Festival so with that Paul and Paul and Paul is here kind of balls it get easy Jo us we'll pull one more chair you EAS thank you very much 58 here we are so thanks for allowing us a few minutes um as introduced Paul and Paul um sponsored by our brother Paul so appreciate the opportunity to come B frog is right around the corner we're ready to kick off our 58th we've been planning for many months we never really stopped July 9th through the 14th Saturday through a Sunday other places struggle to get everything in a weekend we stretch over two weekends and we're pretty proud of that um 52 events this year all our favorites are back but what I want to send a little bit time to talk about some of the new ones because one things we did this year is we went out to our public and said hey it's not about the board trying to put on more events it's our community bringing events to us and labor and support and uh we were really impressed with the people who show up so um we weling a lot of new events in but what would really like about is the diversity it represents our community which is really exciting so our cricket tournament partnering with the AL Cricket Club is they put that on last year but they're bringing it in under pound progue and we're really excited about where that can go when we get our cricket pitch in Grand Prairie in a few years um another fun one we put on a puzzle contest brought To Us by the family connections PTO which is unique PTO that works with families with special needs and so it's a really fun to bring other parts of our community in um the lions are going to expand uh they're going to put some uh entertainment on on that Sunday the Second Sunday uh in addition to their first Sunday where they do the fly in breakfast but they're doing a Tex Mex family Fiesta trying to bring again another set of diversity in authentic Mexican food from one of our local restaurants and uh local Minnesota youo ban so looking forward to that uh probably the highlight of Sunday is we had somebody come to us and want to help us put on shock art in the middle of our Festival which we're excited we'll have 14 artists plus space for some youth to come experience it and do some chalk with the artist and so forth we'll do that on Main Street between 207 and 209 we'll start early in the morning with chalk artist we'll prep the service and uh start actually doing their work early about 8 n o'clock in the morning finishing up by 5 with a small uh competition or or award and so forth and then because we're doing all this we have a stage but set up Market class one of the things we're working on is how do we bring the community in well we reached out to our high school I've been working with the two pre band directors from the two big high schools and we're actually going to put music high school music on the stage on Thursday night and then we've got some high school students that are performing for us on Sunday so we're really trying to expand and broaden it uh and again Leverage The assets of the community so we're really excited about the new things that are coming in as well as continue to grow our Fitness in the park which was started last year was a evening event we're now a full day of that to cast percent so we're going to really provide a lot of opportunity for a different avenue of ppra U you know the execution remains a lot the same we uh are working with a lot of the same Partners which we appreciate uh closures are pretty much the same with the exception we are going toh work with Paul and and uh Jason to shut down f o on that Sunday 207 200 nights to provide a casual environment that where Friday and Saturday gets very very busy we think that Sunday will be a much more casual family atmosphere um the other thing we're working hard on is our Safety and Security this has been a big Focus this last year uh three main areas that big events our parade we know we have to do something we've noticed as we go to other parades if you put a line down and ask people to stay behind the line they do it so we're putting a line up we're partnering with our baseball association they're putting a chalk line all the way down the side of the streets and we're going to ask ushers which we're going to hire and ask people to stay behind the street and then our participants likewise you have to go all the way out the line we we we have to do that for the safety of our pray participants and those coming to visit um our Carnival we know that that's another area we need to keep focus on so we're going to shorten it it closes at 10:00 every night nothing good happens after 10:00 in that environment so we're pulling forward hour and working with uh Jason and the police department we're going to bring in additional security we're PPR is hiring at six additional for each of those evenings it helps support that so we hope that showing a presence and doing the right things will make that a continued safe space for our families and then the third big one is truise I think we keep clamping that one down but we have to be uh cognizant that there are always a few bad actors and so we're going to put radio pan frog and police across in our first part of our route and we're in if you uh get out of hand if you want to chirp your tires we will radio ahead and you will be asked to leave the grw so we're uh we're getting that structure set up so we can actually really enforce it not invite them back in Future we just you we're here for the benefit of everybody we don't need one or two Bad actors really standing out of line so um you want to yeah I'll uh kind of pick it up from there and just kind of talk about ppro the organization itself and the board and how how we've started to evolve and make some changes um we went through it and got buying from all the existing board people that were involved with pan progue we our goal was to make sure that we had an organization that could grow into the future you've seen a lot of communities where their festivals get shorter they move down to one day or they just completely disappear because some of the folks that are involved with them age out and there's nobody coming in behind that to kind of uh fill that void so what we chose to do is build a a new board we we were a board that uh if you were on the board you could be on the board forever if you were a past president you were on the board forever officially which got kind of weird sometimes so what we did is is restructured the board it's now a a 13 member board uh I think it's seven of those positions are uh elected and six are functional so we want a director of marketing we want a Director of Events we want a director of operation that would work with the city and planning all that stuff so those positions will assign there'll be seven elected the best part that came out of this whole transition of this board is we redeveloped what the ppro organization we like to call now team pan prog is and it's made up of of four it's still an all volunteer uh organization and we make it up of uh four functional groups first is the core team this is a passionate group that is always involved with panoprog they help us put on our our big events they may be volunteers that help us put on the cruise um they're in sponsorship or they're in fundraising excuse me or event planning things of that nature um our event Partners this is a group that we develop this is groups that they are though they're not a a a Civic organization they're a business that is a big part of panoprog and the events that they put on they do so babes would be an example of this um the uh other group is uh Community organization so that's the Lions which I'm a part of the BFW rotary that's part of the original charter of pan prog so we always keep that connection to the Civic groups that are involved with the community and then our Community Partnerships so this is the group that cities in this group which includes Park Streets fire police and the council also the chambers in this group the DBA um ISD 194 and then the visit Lakeville which has really kind of come on so we work in combination with all those folks and the board ideas to set underneath of that and support that group bring one of the best festivals in the state of Minnesota which we're always trying to do and uh we meet monthly there's uh one regular uh board meeting a month and then one work session sounds kind of familiar I'm sure um and then team pan prog the full group the forementioned groups four times a year we get together as a larger group uh one time post pan prog to celebrate successes next time to vote in the next year's slate of folks and get a preliminary and then we'll meet in the spring to kind of give a heads up to all the groups about what's happening and then one time right before ppro to really kind of nail down any last questions that there may be so ideally this will gr group will go the first meeting we had 25 people at it but we really expect that to grow and really become a four time year event where people who care about the city and the festival get get get together and a chance to talk about that and some change has uh um already started the the button Paul Paul number one or or number three depend on how you look at it uh they uh uh the button is here but the button is no longer except for one one last event no longer required to get in to anything it is purely a contribution to help offset a lot of our events already had the button included in the price and then the other uh events that that really provided the line share of the button sponsorship those sponsors opted up and increased their cash donations into sponsorship therefore we could find a way to to kind of move on where the buttons required to have a Bingle C in the Lion's example now the idea is that is it gives us one year off but it it sets in forward the motion to where we are looking at trying to develop an app a PPR app that lives and breathes all year long and that that app might be a cost item but the idea is you'll get a benefit from that by allowing smaller sponsor to come in help us with the app goods and services really making a kind of a year round uh finger on the pulse with what's going on pan prog and and different things we can tie to the to the city so we're really looking forward to that but ultim it's about the city uh about us talking about Commerce about the growth the business aspect but also with regards to a great Park system that we have that's our kind of self-imposed Charter what we want to do is that make sure that everybody around us understands that Lakefield is a great place to be and a great place to come and celebrate fantastic questions um first of all thank you this obviously is uh the biggest thing that happens in in Lakeville every single year so it's it's a it is a true partnership so I appreciate understanding how this is all evolving and growing um I guess my question is how your what are your measure measurements for Success you know there are a lot of different outcomes whether that's money raised by certain organizations so to State Fair measures number of people they report that out what do you consider your measurements for success yeah let me uh start and I'm sure Paul have some additional but part of it is a satisfaction index it's you know how I mean we say all the time and well it's hard to measure it's how many Smiles do we see during that week of P prog and how many different Smiles see um one of the things that we're working on hard is we don't need more people downtown on Friday or Saturday night what we need is to bring our community together in other spaces and so one of our measures is how can we bre Broad in breth of our types of events and again Leverage The the park systems are just a phenomenal asset that when we get people to them we hear all the time it's like oh didn't even know this was all here you know and that's part of the game is how do we get people to different spaces um you know another measure that I always say is are our sponsors satisfied and uh the biggest way to tell that is are they coming back they're not only coming back they're reaching out we've got sponsors as we not only work with them but also show them where we're going with their board and so forth we've had one that's already stepped up says when you get to that point I want to be a bigger player in this because I like where you're going like what you're doing so it's those affirmations that I think is the best I'd love to have a account we haven't figured out a way to do it every once while we talk we should get a drone doing we worked a little bit with the city and they said well we can't use our drone but at some point we need to spend some time and energy and buy some drones over and do some counts because our big events are huge go hear this well you're the same day as as Lakefront days I said well first of all we were here for oh by the way our crowds are bigger than theirs I think they their year they in August they worried about competing with us July no right on that's okay it's different type different crowd there's room for everybody there's room for everybody a lot of people in like bill I think uh we watch the social media though folks are not afraid to tell us what they think and message us we hope that through really communicating out to folks that the city doesn't take any of that on in in their Communications but we respond to everybody that's got a concern we follow up on it and we're uh watching it all deing before and after so I think those things like you said uh more events wanting to come more bands any big band that's in this in the state wants to come and play the event we only have so many slots so the fact that are people are trying to get here the food vendor line is uh two or three times longer than we can even accommodate that want to be here and uh so we think those are all good signs you know and then we we look at and review every event make sure that people that are putting on those events which is a great part about the festival pan aprag yes there's 50 some events but the the festival organizers really only put on about 15 of them it's all organizations the big real race is primr as a cany put that on and they do that thing uh the uh exercise in the park that's that's a group that does that the lies are technically not part of P prog they're just a group putting on uh you know a little bingo game on Thursday night so uh every new event came to us came not only with a good idea but with a way to execute it that's to me that's success when people are coming and wanting to be part of the game um and and we know I mean uh there are people in those groups that will ultimately I mean we always talk four years five years we're going to be standing in the corner beer BR drinking a beer while somebody else is keeping this thing going because that's the whole game it's it's what do we leave behind we want to leave it stronger than what we want that's really our goal I have more of a comment than question I I think it was two or three years ago I was on the cultivate a sense of community task force and one of our charges there was to take a look at our festivals and make a recommendation if there was the need for anything additional and I just have to say we were all astounded when you when we dove into the number of activities and events that you do um in pan Prague and then all of the um the diverse populations that that impacts and then also we were very pleased to hear um of your future plans to add events and I'm just really glad to see that you've added a number of them this this time with h with that Focus so great job on that guess I do have one question I noticed something on one of the Facebook pages yesterday that had a spoof article about renaming pan prog I'm assuming that was fake that was as a local uh social media person that does a lot of spoof in on the name of it but it was like it came to us and I and I they brought it to me it's like what you do I said just let it die more you interact with that the more you know we actually kind of have fun I mean one of the things we do is go out out we always try to take a different corner of the city and it's amazing when you get out to those Corners people don't know about P Rock and it's fun you know and of course we got all the neighboring celebrations p a frog I mean they have fun with it it's a great we got a story behind us yeah well I mean just a comment and a question so I think there's a lot of communities that would love to see this type of growth in their festival and this type of structure sure was sure that it keeps going for years and years and years so me kudos to the whole team on that uh are last year you guys had a portable cell tower yes um that was Verizon they are coming back same location uh it's great because it's fiber optic right on that corner that's why it was very beautiful downtown for sell coverage for that market share um but and uh T-mobile is also doing research going back on past years of pan Croc determine if they should be adding uh more equipment into downtown during that weekend so it's kind of nice to getting that response here's another measure when we reach out to those extended business they take it seriously they I mean T-Mobile reached out to us and said hey we heard can we help you and it's like okay let's start the conversation so that speaks about you know how the whole Community works together and you know we blessed we are very blessed to have a great team around us and that's our sponsors our partners the whole p p frog and some of the business community that we didn't know they knew we existed they're not only know we exist they're here to help us which is great I think that's another sign of success too uh we our investment is that we pay to put the fence around it U cell company works with fa City to permit it you know so it's everybody kind of working together the beautiful part was the year prior to that it was the number one problem that heard about through social media it was everywhere you know you fixed a problem when you hear absolutely nothing so it was that was kind of a nice so that you keep doing those types of things where you can and and and do it the right way it it turns out well for well thank you both we're looking forward to it how many days did you come 3 days 3 days right there thank you all right uh so moving on to our next item Credit River Development proposal and yeah come on up I I know Mr Johnson we might be teing it up and then developers got some comments all right good evening mayor city council members thank you for allowing us to share this uh proposal tonight uh I want to introduce uh Mr Todd stuts he's vice president of traditional development uh I'm going to start and then he's going to fill in some of the gaps uh we are here tonight to talk about uh tradition development's latest proposal it's it's Unique and that it's almost Lake bill it's very close um but lake is a partner in this so it's called tradition Highlands if you go to the next page Courtney it's located on the northwest corner of judicial Road in 185 street so just kind of w it's west of the balante subdivision and then just Southwest of Brackets Crossing uh next SL please it's approximately 100 acres uh there's two there's two Parcels that are involved uh there's also a couple of parcels directly at the corner that are not part of this proposal however tradition is working with them and that may be something that will be incorporated into that uh you'll hear me reference that as we get to kind the city of Lakeville participation uh they're proposing about 220 single family lots as part of their development that excludes uh the um exception parcels and it is subject to the city of crit rubber uh zoning and subdivision ordinances and with that I'm going to pass it on to you Todd I have a slide here this is the exhibit here that most recently out there yeah thank you Zach appreciate it um again I'm Todd stuts I'm vice president of Land Development for tradition development um obviously we've enjoyed I think a great relationship with the city of Lakeville over the years um specific specifically as with regards with regards to Spirit reine and Farms um we've been looking in this area general area the well surrounding areas including the city of K Uber for an opportunity to sort of repeat the successes that we had with Spirit of grent farms a development that would be of high quality would have strict architectural standards would follow the same sort of Street layouts um and really more of a traditional type neighborhood um you know we've had great success there we have some residents that have purchased not only the first home but their second home and the third Home and Community as a whole seems to fun very well so in looking for opportunities um one of the pieces of property that we came across was where there was a seller about 98.5 2 Acres which was Bartell's family um that had an interest in selling the property across the street um from Lakeville in the city of credit River in addition to that there's about 16.99 Acres on the corner um where at some point that property may have an interest in selling but at present time um they want to continue to live there and they don't have an interest in selling so the purposes of our sort of discussion with the city of credit River really have been with regards to two the 98.5 2 Acres um as actual development roughly 218 units in addition to that roughly 110 units on the 16.99 Acres um with the con family um which again that's more of a future and we're showing it as a ghost plat is part of our plan um so yeah I don't know if you can yeah so I think of you probably fairly familiar with this area um judicial Road um leading from 185th or County Ru 21 which I quickly learn it was County Ro 21 when you go just a little bit further so um judicial 185th or Jud County 60 was 60 depending about yeah get your choice right and so um our our access to the development is is primarily off of judicial Road uh the North South road that leads up to Brackets Crossing and development to the north um we have an entrance into our development um which aligns with Justice way and Justice way goes into Volante Town Home Development um directly to the east um and so our development pretty much again is the 98.5 2 Acres um that we're considering currently that we submitted to the city of credit River for as a PUD concept plan where we're at in the process is we've been before the Planning Commission on the 16th of of April ail and then on the 20th of April we appeared before the city council um on again on a concept conceptual basis only as pewd conso plan this wasn't a public hearing although as you might expect news travels fast and so there was a number of residents there that had interest in expressing their concerns and their desires for the property um the property again is was really considered um as being Urban expansion Reserve it's currently Gaz guided that as well as Zone her expansion Reserve er um and the reason being as part of the 2040 comp plan is that they never contemplated this property may have iMed availability of sewer and water um from the city of creta river and so our discussions with the city of Keta river is and it was even one of our comments I'll just I'll read that in our presentation it says we believe the extension of water in sanary sewer from Lakefield is consistent with the city of cred comp plan which supports collaboration with other jurisdictions provide services and manage growth by utilizing available infrastructure to promote fiscally responsible growth and that's within the comp plan we feel again there's nothing more fiscally responsible than using a pipe both for sanitary sewer water that's already on the ground the Investments already been made in it and to allow this develop to go forward to extend those pipes again we would think is is very fiscally responsible um that's been AR argument um the property is a great the property vast majority of it is farmed currently but there are some Wetlands on the property that we anticipate um preserving how how this all takes the final shape um I think it's still a little bit up up in air um as we sort of digest the con the comments that we received as part of the Pud concept plan process one of the things I think that will be consistent ultimately is that they we are looking at you know we've had conversations with Three Rivers parks about the possibility adding roughly 10 acres of Park to the existing Murphy hhan Park Reserve um the other thing we've had discussions which would be of interest to the city of Lakeville is the signalization of 185th and judicial Road I think everyone knows that's probably already to a point where perhaps signals would be a benefit especially as there may be events at bracket Crossing and you're getting these large Vols of traffic and they are able to Hue to especially go to the east to take that left turn and go to the East and so we have in our budget performance as part of our for the project um the signalization of that intersection um at least paying for a large percentage of it um and we anticipate that will be again a part of our plan and required by this development um in addition to that um we own property just to the east of judicial road on the south side of 185th um that is pretty much almost connects to rear farm and so we've had conversations with staff and they exess expressed a desire to potentially have a trail link or Corridor through our property in Lakeville on the south side of 185th up to um along 185th and then to the intersection and then either at the intersection utilize Crossing for trail users through the signalization of the intersection or through a tunnel or there is a bridge but again providing a real strong trail connection um that that trail connection would then um we have in plans to construct an additional Trail on the west side of judicial road we will be upgrading judicial Road currently the east side of judicial road is an urban section and we're looking at the West Side upgrading that to an urban section which basically means putting a curb and gutter on on that west side in addition to that providing a trail so we have a real strong sort of call North South connection between Ritter farm and in addition to that Murphy Hanahan Park a long judicial Road and in addition to that we're providing Trail connections that sort of Link all of our wetland High manity areas within the site again that go up to Murphy Hanan Park um I didn't realize snowmobiles was a big deal but that was one of the comment of the landing commission that they're a little upset because they currently use this property as a connection um through the property and that there's a left Ry ham Park it's actually signed in the winter but we haven't exactly know because that's fairly new new information to us we haven't quite completely figure out how we incorporate that into our development proposal um we have three different SE separate neighborhoods one which will be high higher end custom on the north side of a sort of East West Boulevard on the South Side will be more of I say first time first time move up product and then to the to the east of that um we'll have a fill product which will be single level really hanging towards empt ners and retirees and so three separate different products three different products that fit different lifestyle needs of individuals um so that that's sort of the plan I don't know um what else I can in terms of how might impact Lakeville other than the big item obviously and that being the availability of sanitary sewer um at the direction of Staff SE your consultant um conducted two studies that evaluated the availability of sanary SE as well as water and what was identified by that is basically the 300 units were basically proposing could be accommodated um in two locations one sort of on the North portion of the property and one on the south portion of the property um from the City of Lakefield there's adequate capacity in terms of pipe sizing adequate pressure in terms of water means um and it would not require any upgrades of existing lift stations um so it seems again you know this is sort of a a unique opportunity let's put it that way um to to extend those Services um from we did also have elders and Associates um in working with the city of credit R through the financial sort of tax analysis in terms of the benefits that this property would would lead to um the to total development of this property represent represents current dollars about $240 Million worth of value and that $240 Million worth of value as you might expect does generate a fair amount of tax revenue not necessarily land use conversation but a conversation that's probably important for most councils um a lot of that obviously goes to the city of credit Riv but also obviously the school districts County and you guys know how that all works better than I do um in addition to that there has been some conversations that's occurred with regards to the sanary and Sewer availability and how a joint Powers agreement might be structured and the financial um considerations regarding that there is obviously sewer connection fees water connection fees and all of those which from our perspective would be fees that would be paid to the city of Lakeville um in consideration to connecting to that existing infrastructure and those dollars based on your current fee schedule are fairly significant and that's not a land use conversation but do you know just factor in as you review this um just some some feedback from the Planning Commission city council meeeting again these were P at the P concept stage not a public hearing um I'm not sure how to comment on that other than um I think the density that we're showing was a little bit higher than what they're used to seeing um this roughly is three units per acre which for almost all cities would be considered to be low density there low density by their ordinance um so but that Stills I think they're BR a little bit push back on that RightWay with we're showing some 60 foot rways versus 66 you know there's there's a number of things that we need to go through um since they're relatively new as far as the city is concerned there's a lot of things that they have not yet worked through as a city to establish really what their vision is as a city and what types of um say ordinance requirements that they want to enforce um there is obviously a portion of city of CR river that want to wants to remain rural as I mentioned before this is urban expansion Reserve if you develop the property today would be one unit for 40 acres so it's definitely consider that to be Ral and three units per acre is not something that they originally considered Al we think that this property definitely needs to should be developed at a little bit higher density than one unit for 40 acres so we're somewhere between One units for 40 acres and three units per acre and so that convers that conversation will occur over time andol but anyway that that's sort of my I can can talk a long time about the development itself I I think I highlighted in terms of the signalization upgrad theal road Trail connection Venture Ritter Farm um all which we think are pluses not only that obviously add a lot of residents and opportunities for housing quite adjacent to leeville so from our perspective we just need to talk about our willingness to go through the city store and water kind of process and what that agreement look like um I have a couple comments but I'll let you guys I have a question would we be the um person to build for that city that was my that was one of my questions so that's the discussion that we've talked about and that's still to be deter um so we've had a couple different options one would be that we sell a set a bulk rate um and soell water Credit River as I understand they don't build for water right now they don't have anything like that so it would be something new for them as well so that's one of the details that we still have to work out I guess I'm just looking at it's our water I want to Bild for it that's an option yeah so my other question then is um is there been conversations about fire service I know that CR contracts with Prior Lake but I just I see this is like an Annex of Prior of cred River it's not where there's a ton of develop space in between the city if you will so about some conversation has come up at all I I have not had that conversation it's been very high level just I mean the most immediate question was is there even capacity in our system to serve this subdivision that's kind of where we're at right now mayor members of council add on little with Zach one of the questions did come up is is this exist all up and down the common border between pra River and L Phil you know an opportunity like this and I think the general comment is that hasn't been evaluated obviously but this is thought thought to be sort of a one off kind of opportunity I know CR had that concern is like are we going to see a parade of land owners and developers coming in here wanting to connect to Lakefield services for sanary sewer and water and our answer to that is at this point no we don't believe that's going to happen because again this is sort of a a unique opportunity I kind of almost disagree with that because in the fact that we've already had you know one developer trying to develop on the other side of judicial earlier than our comp plan um and so you know once you go in the pressure is on us to let the next thing go in that's in Lakeville um and then it's just going to move forward I think the pressure will be on Credit River to develop again down towards that end now and I don't mean to be rude I'm just that's my opinion on what would happen as you bring it they will come and more will come following behind it because it's such a grand opportunity um to be closer to Lakeville Lakeville school system Etc so um the the my biggest concern is you getting the approval for the lights because at this point we haven't been you know successful in that area and the number of units that you're going to be put in and the stress on that um intersection is going to be huge and that's one of the reasons why me personally as a council member I didn't you know I was concerned about the um proposal across the street of 185th is because we just that intersection can barely handle getting a left turn out of there as it is right now with the people that exist so um huge concern that you get that through beforehand now the other thing is is I don't know what that we have any say other than do we you know if if our staff says you have but we our system can handle the water and sewer I I don't I don't know what we do for that well two things first of all you still have to give an approval um just because we have the capacity doesn't mean that we have to provide it um the second thing on the on the street light or the um not the street light the stoplight most likely that's going to be a condition of approval from the count counties most likely so it's not whether or not they can get it it's probably going to be that they can't do it without that okay josa I I was just can say council member uh both Scott County and Dakota County are aware of this proposal and we have had initial conversations as to what impact this development would have you I think my question is that from a current capacity standpoint I'm sure we have the ability to handle this but what about that full buildout of Lakeville and then the serving communities like this along the border you know do we have the capacity in addition to full up capacity full build up capacity yeah one of one of our challenges is so we have a model of the entire city for both sanitary sewer and water so when we get these questions and we we we kind of it's kind of a plug and play and we see what kind of impacts this would have on our current system both existing and full build out uh so in this instance we're confident at a very high level that we would be able to serve both existing and the full-time uh capacity for this development we do though have questions and concerns primarily with like ear Iration and water usage uh in the summertime because that would put a high demand it's not that we don't have capacity but it puts Demand on our other services also our ability then to um get future water supply through future Wells as we continue our build out so that's one of the conversations that we're going to continue to have with credit River as you know how do we work through some of these things um Council marook you talked about you know up and down that Corridor Credit River as kind of a newer city is actively working on an up their comp plan they've engaged a consultant to kind of layout similar to what we have you know a long-term utility layout and one of the things that we're working with them on is how how quickly can they extend public services to serve this person um so again those are very high level conversation this is pretty new you know Mr St talk about just you know within the last it was was May 20th he's he talked with CR River most recently so we're still it's still a developing concept but there's more issues and more conversations to come before all of you with answers to these questions I think you're kind of touching on my followup to this we don't necessarily have to consider this a permanent solution depending on credit River's development plan this could be a term that ends at some point AG they serve right agreed I'd say that's ra that's rather highly likely with water meain sanitary is a little bit tricky from a capacity but absolutely yep we would look to see if this is kind of an interim feed uh we also do have water interconnectivity with Burnsville so it'd be very similar to sharing water for Mutual Aid things like that but yes that's absolutely part of the conversation my only other comment um you had mentioned potentially Trail connection at grade there and even with a stop like that is a very dangerous road um so I don't love the at grade idea um so I just I'll put that out there that Hill is very sced um anybody comments so uh if you just state your name and your address of the record and try to keep you know under five minutes short letters 18341 Justice Way which is in the bante development my concern is I just heard about this over the weekend there's been no notice to homeowners about any of this yet granted it may be premature but I don't want to be notified later after most of these decisions has there been a Powers agreement already been made no no there has not no again these are very they haven't even submitted a prary plat application yet they're at they're at a a conceptual sketch plan um if if to work to move forward we uh the city of Lakeville would have uh joint Powers agreement with the city of credit River to address judicial Road uh sanitary sewer usage how the fees were called the you know how the water is sold um there were more than likely would also be some sort of a joint poers agreement between Scott County and Dakota County maybe in the city of Lakeville and Credit River as to how that traffic signal would work as well too so very there's there's a number of conversations to follow is judicial owned by city of Lakeville entirely good question uh there is actually a current joint Powers agreement for maintaining uh judicial role today so it actually goes right down the middle so we have an agreement in place with credit River rof gr maintenance and construction Todd for you the question is um soon as I remember what it is um your upgrade to judicial U of upwards of 300 cars a day you're talking about curban gutter I assume only on the west side because it exists on the east side uh about that's a lot of traffic for that two-lane road and the that's the only exit a viable exit to go left on 185th or to go east on 185th because you're right turn only out of onto 185th so it seems like you need to develop another exit for the whole development if you know I've been over in Cobblestone and and some of those developments over there and it's it's a nice development you have a a very good track record however as I drive through there I'm constantly lost in figuring out how the hell to get out of there most of the time and I would not want to see that because it will impact belante one way or another with it you know two or three 400 cars a day in and out if most of it's on judicial way you yeah May c yeah I answer directly okay um we've not you completed the design of judicial Road um and I would suspect that there would probably be right turn lane that coming out to go on 185th so the number of lanes will expand probably as you get to the intersection that's all part of the sort of signalization of the intersection and what happens with that we've not anticipated Beyond sort of you know the northern portion of it that probably remain a two-lane road um at this point it's probably but again that that design has not been finalized when we say we're going to upgrade the west side of it I would expect that we probably end up rebuilding a lot of the east side of the road also um you know even though it's outside of what the original scope was just because sort of hard to completely build one half of a road it probably ends up probably ends up basically we' have in our budget pretty much to rebuild all judicial Roo we've talked about you know focusing obviously in the western half we are showing again we have not had conversations with Scott County where are showing her right in right out on the southern portion of the property um to Rel a little bit of that PR pressure um we have been asked to look at other uh entrances in and off of of the property um along judicial Road we're showing an entrance currently one entrance and that entrance aligns with the existing driveways sure you know where the existing driveway is right right across from Justice way we also are showing some connection that'll be sort flushed out to the asford property which is the property to the west of Bartell's property so when that develops in the future if and when never um that we would have also some ability to connect to that property to the west but that's not even it Clos to things the planning stage and that would also require additional sewer and water under the the same uh thought process and and I sure the concerns with capacity you current we currently have capacity within the city of Lakeville but will it deter future development in the city which affects the tax revenue of Lakeville versus you know you have $240 million of potential taxable property in the city of credit River none of it comes to the city of Lakeville and but we if we Supply some of that yes we get the money for the sewer and water but you look at tax revenue whereas if we get a development within the city of Lakeville then that tax revenue out actually benefits us for the your tax revenue currently doesn't yeah so may council members you know we look we looked at this development and came to the city to staff and we looked at it only as being this development and capacity that can we serve with the existing sewer and water this development only and so that's all it was evaluated in terms of there's no we have no desire to impact anything that would happen within the city of Lakeville in terms of ability to develop and so this was shown as capacity excess capacity that the pipe will just sit in the ground and have and continue that excess capacity into the future there is some great issues here this is sort of the end of the line in terms of the depth of the sewer and so the asle for property because of the grade difference as if you go farther to the West that will have to be served from what we'll call this The Savage sort of East Interceptor um which comes goes along the west side of murphrey anman Park to 175th and comes across 175th and then down to that their property um thank you okay I say if you have any more questions I'll set that aside because we have a agenda if you want to talk to you guys talk in the H anybody else want to weigh in y Mike sl24 Justice way also BL my more concern is that this is going to be a little Lakeville extension we have no control over anything and yet we're next to everything so how's everything going to be served you know we already have police going up and down judicial Road keep slow people down and the quantity of of individuals along the side of side of the road there I'm still worried about the infrastructure and who's going to support it is C River going to support it and who in Lakeville is going to pay for the events that happen in Scott County and we're Dakota County and we already can't talk back and forth between two counties and now you're asking a development to go right next to Lakeville that's where we are so my concern is you only have control of the sewer and water however that's a small issue as to what the effect on the city of lakei is going to be going down the line no comment is just a comment yeah thank you B ER 19081 indale Drive former resident member of the HOA board for Volante first resident the bartel's homestead is where the current um balante development is the Bartels was that was their Homestead and they L across the road built a new home um and I consider myself a good friend of the barels very quickly uh School District Lille school district has a brand new enrollment uh attendance foundary the students that would come from this development would be attending Orchard Lake Elementary check out the the capacity of C capacity of of Orchard Lake Elementary as well as the travel issues um what's missing what's lacking in Credit River I'm not being disrespectful um but there are no Community playfields the impacts on our system at our expense would be fostered by this development I'm talking about use soccer baseball hockey as an example I don't believe a common Playfield of that nature exists currently and I'm not just being disrespectful this is a time for them to address that this would impact less youth uh Youth System graphic study I haven't heard that there has been one is a need for one um and why would Lille pay for the semi for and I was glad to hear that more than likely and hopefully uh tradition check for that since they're causing requiring the need for that the storm water impact Orchard Lake I heard talk about water restrictions who would enforce them in a in a community where we don't so that would have to be a part of the agreement who enforces those kinds of issues which would be kind of interesting I'm curious if I'm assuming the Met Council would have to approve an amendment to the credit River comp plan which only identifies the connection that's been referred to in the south in the Northeast quadrant where they have residents have septic issues and where they would need sanitary sewer from Savage but that's the only specific reference in the comprehensive plan um Dakota County and the reason I found an interested this I'm part of the Community Committee that's been working on the issues relating to um the Ken Trail property issue and we're anxious to be contributing member of that but we were put on hold our efforts because Dakota county is currently doing a Greenway trail system study so the city staff I'm sure is well aware of that and one of the options is involves this property and so the reference about how the developer would address that is of interest but uh the the the trail study will be completed by December of this year and I know that because we been put on hold because of that as it relates to the property the K Trail so I was interested to learning today about SE about ERS um and in closing I I just can't begin to comprehend why the city would give away 100 Acre asset called sanitary sewer to another Community when they could benefit themselves by using that to to expand and to use and to to devel quality wed property west of 35 W so I'm I'm not convinced that this is in the best interest of the city and I and and the community is just learning about it it seems to me the public hearing before the staff would write a memo that says and I quote this was troubling to me it says the city and the county staff have had preliminary discussions on an effort to coordinate and Advance the project I was very distraught to to read something like that because it seems so out of sync with a major major policy decision that the elected members of the city council have to make and u i I appreciated the comments today uh my uh council member uh who who who she has appropriately addressed meaningful concerns uh going forward so I'm going to monitor this as a resident very closely and um um I can appreciate in closing the challenges that um Credit River is facing a community of 5,000 one of the largest uh City largest former townships um and has a quality uh Community sense of community with their neighborhoods but they also have had many challenges with puds um and U everybody knows about the territory and and for the administration in the city when the territory was proposed uh I don't know the person that stood tall and said that was not a good decision it has taken many many years to remedy the challenge that were generated by that development um we are the we are the resource for this development for this opportunity I just don't understand why Lakewell would give away a 100 acres of sanitary sewer and quality treated water to a area that has never been ant has never anticipated to be Urban developed at this time until 2040 and of St I very active publicly going forward from today on these on these issues by the way as a city administrator who inherited the challenge is that credit River inherited as Maple bro's first city administrator with 6,000 people when I started um I can appreciate the challenges that they're facing because you got to become in the context of an urban setting and you have to change your your guidelines and your rules and I've G there and done that and I can appreciate the challenges but I don't think it's should be done with a statement by the developer that we would like to start developing this year it's it's totally out of context in the in the situation where Credit River finds themselves and where why would we enable that before we look at the benefits of saving our 100 ACR of San SE for more meaningful development so if they're not interested annexation why are we considering this and of statement real anybody else all right um any other comments questions from otherwise we'll just kind of wait for you clarification annexations off the table now that they became a city correct it'd be a lot more difficult I mean we' have to there's a Detachment process once it on City so River would have to that this is crazy all right just wanted sh because I I thought that those were all off the table ones so we're kind of in just a holding patter we wait to see how the city of credit River works with you on whatever and then we'll just keep people updated as they move forward I gu yes and no I mean the reason that denied tradition did want to get a read from the council that something you'd be interested in I me they don't want to go forward with a lot more effort this is not going any so um we you know I guess I'm sure you'd want he that so yeah some some indication I mean just their council members I mean you know the residents that are present here I mean our intent was to have a neighborhood meeting obviously they have public hearings that are your C of credit River and that people would be notified right whether they're in Lakefield and cred River I mean this is a very preliminary stages we have not made a decision at this point whether or not we're going forward one of the things that hinges upon obviously you know is the SE SE study and believe it or don't believe it that was one of the things that we asked at our expense to have prepared um and if there's you know a general feeling among ccil members that this is not something they would consider um if they're concerned about giving up which I don't think is the case but they're concerned about giving up development opportunities within Lakeville because of extending s and water to this which that's a whole different conversation I'm prepared to answer Joshua well there are two main issues that I think that are weighing me heavily and that is capacity in schools and our our appetite for extending the life of our current water treatment facility we've talked about needing to expand that on multiple occasions but also have made efforts through even how we have created tiers for water use over the summer how to extend life especially during summer month so I at this point do not um I mean I with all due respect prodct is is very good I've been very happy with how the spirit of branching has been developed but uh with water capacities I just I I don't think this is the right time to get into that um and we're trying to extend the life of our water treatment facility not to say that there aren't benefits to this I mean judicial needs that light that trail connection would be amazing um I just I don't know that this is the right time to look at this okay other questions about capacity that could be answered for you or just don't you're not comfortable with it at all I think the I would need some significant Research into what that term would be um and how that I I just don't see that development of infrastructure from Credit River for decades to come um so unless there's more information out there that uh we wouldn't be taxing ourselves for that uh Expansion Project in the next five to 10 years I just I don't know what exp water treatment water treatment that's already bud that's going to happen whether or not this happened or not we've also been trying to delay that and actually this would help pay for that not that's not that not that that's a reason to do it but we're paying for that through hookup fees and and access charges this money goes would go into that for Michelle um I appreciate the bringing forward their ideas um and they do make a great product all of this is just way too vague for me to um to say oh yes please continue going forward with us um and I really feel it's really unfair persons across the street on 180 kids that you know don't they can't even develop till I can't remember what the year is 2026 is or 2029 I don't remember what the year was it's the same Builder but we've already given an indication we are not interested across the street on to start moving for to up what our comp plan was that didn't continue moving forward I don't know why I can only assume I mean I made my thoughts you know on the sub matter I can only assume other people did too and it wasn't a wise move to move that timetable up even though they could just connect to this you know that there would be connections um because those uh persons in that neighborhood weren't ready to move yet they were told there was a timeline and they want to work with it so um I guess I I what I'm just trying to say it's a little too vague yet to say oh that oh yeah totally approve so um until there's more construct Dialogue on on the water sewer situation and how that all plays out for the future and the terms on that and more concrete on what judicial would look like um you know and then that'll put pressure on to the other development that they own to probably come along even sooner than what we've anticipated and and rightfully so um at that point so um but I like I like that some of the concepts about the trail connections you know things like that that we've already talked about in the past that you know that they are willing to foster make that happen so I guess I don't I don't know what to tell you I get if you wanted to say do you have your support today I'd have to say no because there's just too many unanswered questions that I couldn't well I think the question I was asking is support for them to get some of these details in an agreement and getting more information like we're not going to find out all the things that you mentioned without saying yeah let's put together some sort of jpa to answer those questions I'm not asking you to say yeah tonight this is a good project I'm saying yes it makes enough sense to say yeah let's put some more information on paper and what a real agreement would look like they haven't even know a traffic St yet so I'm just but they're not going to do spend any more money if we're just going to say no even with all the great but the unanswered questions is even in public safety you know for the fire and the police services Etc there's a lot lot of things that really need to be worked out detail wise to make it more palatable I would agree you know and those are big things and I and I think the other thing is is that to walson and say to Credit River I would hate for us to walson and say to Credit River well L on board because we're not till all those details are worked out I mean in my mind you you know so I think um I don't know how they want to handle that you know with their presentation but I think that you know I think we need to have more dialogue between the two cities to determine really what's their expectations for that end of their city that buts up to us yeah I I watched their meeting they have a lot of questions to be answered so my point being is that if we don't want to have any conversation with cred I think what we're trying to get us to say let's keep the ball moving so we can answer some of these other questions I mean I'll just to me you know I've lived near this area or have had family since 1996 we've been complaining about a stop L judicial Hing F since then and so this is a project that can help advance that and get a trail I think me I want to find out more information can I ask one uh Zach you mentioned um we have an agreement with Burnsville I think do we have anything comparable to this anywhere else not that I'm aware I think what I was referencing council member Walter was an interconnectivity so when we extend Utilities in like a mutual Aid scenario that's what I was referencing I I'm not aware of anything like this um we we do have jpas for example where we share lift stations and things like that so as far as sharing infrastructure we do have those in place I think I would Echo the concerns that um Michelle and Joshua have raised just about the I mean I would be enthusiastic about this if it were in Lakeville I guess my concern is we are essentially subsidizing the development of a Township with the K City exactly so we couldn't Annex this land um and so now we're going to help them grow up um so I'm hesitant uh I have to say but your point about um that's not to say I can't be convinced if if we can answer some of these questions about capacity and and uh other things so I would say I'm hesitant so and I was going to ask the same question about the Burnsville thing so there's nobody in Burnsville that's using our water like we're proposing here it's just emcy correct yeah okay yeah and and what's been interesting for me in hearing this is I've seen a presentation on the development that's going to happen in Credit River and it's almost like we're discussing it as part of like like we're going to be voting and approving the development um I mean I understand that what our role is is is the water and I also understand that there's real benefits and probably the number one one is a stop light um and the number two would be the Trails um but I I did hear a concern Zach issu you know that you spoke about like I know what this is going to look like in terms of capacity in the summer and this is going to be a brand new development the brand new grass brand new trees brand new everything and I I think you know there's a potenti potential for there to be some real capacity issues plus um I haven't listened yet to Credit River meetings um so I don't even know where they're at with this I mean is this something where they're looking and going what we want to do this man and we're just you know hopeing Lakeville does this or is this you mentioned Tod that they haven't even had a public hearing on this yet yeah mayor council member there's not yet been a public hearing it's not required in fact it wasn't their PUD concept or doesn't even require you go to the council we just went to the council because we thought it would be a good idea right um I would say that um at the current density we're showing that probably not enough votes and I I just s of R te leaves on the council currently to have this go forward this is a comp plan amendment requires four fifths votes just reading the reading the audience we don't believe that there's four fifths votes okay um but is there a plan that they'll accept I would say there is a plan through negotiation that we will get more than likely um we're not interested in doing a well and septic project all done well and septic projects um we we think that just again this not does not impact the development potential of the city of Lakeville number one by extending sewer water to this there's no constraints on that there's no capacity issues and it generates a significant amount of dollars in terms of water and sanitary hookup and connection fees I think you know it's that's something that we want to answer those questions I think we have those questions answered but um we we feel something if if we can get something done with the city of credit River we just we just need some direction a lot of the decisions we make you know we we balance dollars and cents every one of those decisions has an impact way past this being built the light being there the trails being there and I'm really curious I we're talking not just two different cities we're talking two different counties and when people are I don't even know if they have a watering ordinance in terms of I mean they're going to be subject would be subject to our tier policies but I don't even know if they have a watering or that says you can't do this so we're victims in there that's we would actually be the victim in that but is the sky I'm assuming they don't have their own law enforcement so I'm assuming they either contract with Prior Lake or have Scott County come out yes um and served a lot of years in law enforcement I understand what priority level that is going to take um it becomes a problem so I'm in the place I I'm in a place where I would want a lot more information and not just on I I get the dollars and cents piece um but what is the impact past that in terms of response to this um you know if they require if there's a mutual F agreement assuming there is with uh Scott County and our fire department but I'm more I'm more concerned about the law enforcement um response and how uh how that would impact especially with the water I mean right now our decision is the water that's whether or not this is suitable for credit river is up to Credit River um but for us it's the water and the neighborhoods directly across judicial um but really the water is the biggest thing I'm not sure that the systems in place to handle what's going to come after the approval so I'd want to know more I'm in the same camp uh right now I'm leaning towards I think it could be a problem um you know unless I saw something that would assure me I think the only way to do that is is to get some more information and to see what an agreement would look like I mean we can draft agreements right I get but you're you're in a business and that costs money to do that that um and I think I'd want to see more of that before I supported it right now I not even 5050 I'm I'm more on the side of not doing it until it's a little more clear is it possible to get some more Legal Information about if this if we went through this deduction with credit River I mean is that totally Detachment Detachment sorry is that totally crazy to have that conversation ask I because it probably changes change change the conversation bit so but I still don't think I have like consensus to even get anymore have hesitation no no that's why for um anybody else change so I don't think that you have sens from us yeah and I appreciate that I mean that's if there was consensus that would be great there was no consensus at least we have that information and and make a business decision to your point going forward whether that makes sense to invest additional dollars to push the development forward the development again this is a p concept plan as as represented to the Planning Commission and City Council in credder River the ultimate plan will look quite a bit different than this is what we're assur of and so um we'll work through that process yeah thank youate work um all right moving on to first center design and thank youing Shar here the wrong so we' got rep from RJM LED we daily to discuss this so we had last design concept first center back in January we had pretty high level design and some high level costs um since then know Council gave us direction to keep moving forward with the project to hire construction management firm which is what rdam uh ultimately got that contract they're on board of the team now so I'm just going to turn over the top Dy that ince his staff and then they want to RJ introduce their team and presentation okay Todd we daily project manager anden said working with them City staff for quite a while on this um with me is Megan I'm AOL project architect I'm Brad Berman I'm Market sector leader at RJM construction or the construction manager I'm Isaac Lumberg I'm a estimator at RJM constructions I'm leing the preon efforts along with Brad and other people well thanks for having us today we definitely wanted to make sure we got in front of you today uh before moving on into the next phase of the project where we get a lot more detailed and it's more of a project that uh digs into the details and takes a a good amount of effort to get across the finish line so we we want to take this time today to make sure that everyone's kind of comfortable with where we're at today now that we have a a construction manager at redcon board uh have better numbers than what we had before um so the last three months or so we've met uh four or five times with the design team and the Police Department fire department and City staff on a couple occasions uh to review kind of how this all fits into the overall city um ordinances and whatnot and uh then we turn it over to to our gym for a three-week pricing exercise and um you'll probably talk about that a little bit more you want jump down I can I can talk about that um so the the pricing exercise that we go through It's a combination of uh we do quantity offs with Isaac and his team internally um just to measure the quantities for ourselves and apply historical unit cost uh we've done three similar facilities over the last four years or so uh so we compare that unit pricing with the actual measurements that he takes off on the plans in addition to that uh we get feedback from the subcontractor Market um just to do a cost comparison and what we're trying to do is ultimately present the I guess most realistic line item for each scoble work uh when we do that pricing exercise so we it's not always the lowest number that we take it's not a bid um it's a cost estimate um that we're comparing against our own historical information just to increase the accuracy of that thank you and as we had some time toh prepare documents we feel like we had a a really good schematic design set we had a little extra time um to to get to them so we felt pretty good about the documentation that we gave them uh one thing just as a background to this whole thing uh as we've been working through this process we've been um uh kind of balancing the idea of whether this project needed to conform to B3 requirements from the state of Minnesota um and we we kind of hedged our bets on this until now until after the session was over and there was no other funding that was uh brought forth that was going to require it to be B3 but until we kind of knew that for sure we carried along some uh design options that included that which is a lot of mechanical and um mostly mechanical upgrades to the systems that in has a price to it you'll you'll see that later um but as as of now we're we're not assuming any B3 moving forward with this so um next slide so this this is a site plan uh as developed uh currently we have about 50 spots on the lower hand side of the site the public safety training facility on the North side with the ranges on the left uh the classroom spaces and kind of the administrative spaces are in the middle of the project with this being the uh kind of the entry point here with the entry sequence there uh kind of highlight in a little bit of uh of the area develop that a little bit further to kind of accentuate the entry point and then from this point Beyond here is a is a vertical uh pivot gate for vehicles to keep uh Vehicles out of the back of the area of the training facility uh so that uh when there's training events going on the public or anybody that's at visiting the facility for other reasons wouldn't drive back there and get involved in a in a training um scenario that's outside U then we have some overflow parking here here we've have the separate Warehouse as well um that's storage for uh police and fire and then we've kept that access point that's up on the northeast corner uh for the sanitary um for the public works department and then we've got another area here for some water treatment uh basins here along here and then uh a little bit up in that area right there um I'll turn it over to um Megan to kind of walk through the development of the exterior design yeah so this gives you a flavor of how the building is evolving uh from an aesthetic standpoint um one of the things I'll point out first is the stair Tower uh during our last Workshop meeting when we met with you all one of the comments was why don't you look at um adding a third story or gaining additional levels for training so we've done that with this stair Tower here that we've also pulled out to provide additional screening for uh First Responders that might be training back there screening from that public entrance so with this St Tower you're not only getting a third level to train um but you're also getting a much easier uh roof access so it's a two-fold um kind of component you'll notice that these two blocks on the end we are envisioning those as pre-cast concrete with an etching to provide visual entrance interest but then this center block uh is has a lighter feel we're thinking it will have more wood tone siding glazing if you want to go to the next slide I think we'll get into that a bit more yeah so you see this Beacon uh provides a a great place to put signage screens so you can see what training is happening back there we've got this uh funnel or Hub like uh visual here in the center block with a warm wood siding glazing um and we're still working on this metal panel but some kind of additional metal panel here on the SOP and just one thing here we've kind of set up this area um due to the funding requirements of that that cash outlay uh there is a a art piece that has to be a part of this project that we're kind of putting a placeholder there not sure exactly what that is but um uh we're kind of initially thinking a be some kind of a memorial or some kind of a reflection space given the nature of this building yeah really focusing our energy on you know this area and letting the rest of the building be kind of what it is this just gives you a feel for uh the night view we are thinking there might be some kind of downlighting happening at the top of that uh stair Tower we're calling it a beacon um to light the the signage and uh kind of also serve as some kind of weight binding component go next slide now we'll get into the program a little bit so this just gives you a highle snapshot of where we were during predesign when we last met with all of you and where we're at today with schematic design so grow square footage at pre-design we were at 4938 uh today at SD we are at 43545 so we've come down uh in in size uh and we'll get into that a little more later but it was a process of balancing budget and rightsizing what the police and fire uh training individuals really needed um and also accounting for future growth as well yeah so some faes grew some fa spaces shrunk based on our conversations as they overall we were trying to force it yeah so this is the floor plan and not not a lot has changed since you last saw it we still have the firing range happening on this west side with support spaces we still have the 50 yard firing range and the 25 yard firing range to the north the center block that's those common spaces and your front entry we have front desk classrooms uh conference rooms break room and then this block here on the east side is the Tactical training the mats room and a multi-purpose room that we're envisioning can be used for either a VR room or classroom complete Flex based depending upon the needs so if we go to the next slide so this is the second level tactical training uh you'll notice this has decreased the most I think in size it um did take up a larger portion of the second level uh we have shrunk it down to 20 a little over 2700 square feet U and talking to uh the First Responders we feel like this is still a good size for uh achieving train TR needs and accommodating future future needs in the future so this gives you an idea of how the inside of the space is developing this is still really early we're we're we just finish up schematic design but we're thinking very simple material on the inside maybe playing with forms and shapes we've been in discussion that this front lobby could have some kind of a display uh case to uh showcase either the city of Lakeville police and fire or um maybe a partner agency we go to the next slide this is just another view this is that cor Corridor looking towards the Tactical training area um break room off toward the left and then this would be the outdoor patio space right off of that break room trying to create a space that is a little more Serene taking advantage of the Natural Area to the north uh and providing a break from some of the intense training that might be happening uh on the inside yeah so with costs um what you see here the column on the left was what we presented last last time and we were at a a total Capital contribution after state of Minnesota um contributions of 7.17 million was about $17 million uh just listed the uh escalation that we had at the time and the design and construction uh uh contingencies and the soft costs here uh where we're at today and and there's a caveat Aster Mark here that this does not include the alternates that we are proposing looking at uh is we're slightly lower than that a couple $300,000 lower um but that did take an count $800,000 from the the federal government as well that helped reduce the cost um escalation we've got at zero I'm G to throw it over to Brad to talk a little bit about that I your your when you went to the to the um the market it was kind of understood that they would be pricing that for the time that we'd be betting that so yeah so when we're within one year One calendar year of starting construction uh we don't carry escalation uh we communicate the construction schedule start date finish date with the contractors and with our unit pricing as well so carrying an escalation at this point is not necessary um we do have the the contingencies in there design contingencies um as Todd talked about some of the decisions are not made on how everything shaped and measured um to kind of pick up some of those finer details as the design evolves and then we would carry that construction contingency um through the duration of construction so the hope is that that captures any kind of ups and downs um Happ we'll still be looking for things ways to save money but there's going to be some things that come up through the design Development and Construction document phase that are going to be kind of captured within that dollar value there uh so the next slide is um you see the base bid is $6.7 million and these were some of the alternates that we started to think about is we can help reduce costs um save against some unexpected uh in an environment that we may not be seeing um and if we were to take all of these uh these are add alternates minus the baffles um so the warehouse was an add alternate so you add on that to the $6.7 million um there was a couple items within the range that we were looking at as uh cost savings measures um prefer to have them um but if push came to shove they could be taken from the project uh the one item here the hybrid range baffles is uh one item that I think would cost more money in the future to add in to the facility so we're really kind of hoping that that uh deduct alternate wouldn't have to be taken um but it's on the table right now is something that uh we're looking at and then there's just a couple items that we haven't quite got all the details on we had some screening for the HVAC uh that we believe um won't be required by the planning uh folks uh we've done some studies that show the HVAC systems really aren't seeing from the public way and and we want to just make sure that we're comfortable with that going forward with planning uh before before looking at that so there might be some additional dollars there um looking at some different agback systems and heating systems for the warehouse as well so we're still um in process of trying to find ways of saving money and still given a quality product but forgive my you know ignorance or what is a range baffle uh it's the protective uh baffles that are hung from the ceiling on the Range and there's really a tactical way of thinking about that so you can shoot from any anywhere on the Range if it's fully tactical if it the hybrid solution is once you get past the 25 yard Lane yard line from the 25 to the 50 yard line um it becomes a fixed shooting so you can really only shoot safely from the 50 yard line and then from the 25 yard line to zero um it's it's a it's a cost saving method that uh happens a lot but usually the the folks that are using it um regret it later uh it just takes the Tactical ability from a from the training out of that uh 25 to 50 yard U spot and to understand the cost so right now now with the 16.7 million those baffles are in there what you're saying is it's an option to subtract and where the other things of the positive number aren't currently in the plan we can add them yeah if you added all this up and did not subtract out the baffles it would be 17.7 million right now and that that's uh construction costs after the alternate and if you go to the next slide I believe there might be two more slides um yeah so if if you go to that the total cost is 24.7 minus the contributions the acceptance of those alternates essentially adds a million dollars to the to the cost so the total contribution of Lakeville would be 17.7 which is uh four or 500,000 higher than we were um if we back up a slide here we did uh uh look under every Rock to find ways to reduce costs from the time we um were halfway through construction or schematic design and had some input from the construction managers um we did look at some savings already to reduce costs and I just want to highlight those to you all uh we reduced as as Megan mentioned uh some square footage on the first level and second level of the reality Based training that's the block on the far right side we took 3,000 ft out of that space and that was about $525,000 in savings so we were up substantially before um coming to our numbers today um we also had some interior um kind of fake facades within that rightand block that uh as we worked through the process we felt with the police that it probably wasn't as necessary anymore as we worked through that uh we looked at changing the roof system from a builtup system uh which is a great Roof System but it just it it costs a lot of money uh EPDM uh uh fully adhered systems are are are a good product as well and we could save about $300,000 toing that uh a couple other ideas that we we came across too was we uh looked at um going to overflow roof scers is their secondary uh way of getting roof off or water of to roof pretty common practice we had in our original drawings had drains for that um so we save a little money there and then we had some modifications to the range not only with the equipment but with the HVAC and that HVAC number had a lot to do with not having to comply with B3 requirements anymore uh so that that savings we found about $1.1 million uh through that Val engineering exercises over the last few weeks uh over almost a month now out um and then the kind of surprising one I E3 have always known as expensive it's getting more expensive uh the um requirements now are to be 80% better than the code it was back in 2003 or 13 I can't remember when but uh it used to be 70% better it's 80% better now and uh that just requires like state-of-the-art mechanical systems to to get to to get there um but since we're not having to do that that was about $5 million savings there so if you go to the next slide there yeah the next so schedule hasn't changed much we're still looking for the end of the year for uh design completion bidding at the first of the year of 2025 um and then next slide um anticipated construction started spring of 2025 and uh completed uh hopefully about a year from now and then uh kind of just finishing up uh close out and making sure the systems are running and properly and whatnot um another couple months and fully operational by June and maybe we'll beat that schedule but we'll see any questions on that so mayor and Council for tonight is really Comfort level for me that give us direction to forward with this current design we'll continue to look at ways the costs and reduce um those costs the list that tded showing up where the alternatives are are um we can actually bid the project with some of those the alternates to to see what we get for pricing on those and then make more decisions as we move along that bids come in but really this presentation was to bringing up the speed we're the amount of reductions as much as we could and the design um so that we can give Leo daily and RJ the direction if you wish to have them continue to move forward and really moving forward really gets us into the project I we're going to go on full design specs and biding the project it's really given it a full go ahead so I just want you guys to have a comfort level if that's the direction you wish us to go question John and she work out potential Partners other agencies people that want to come into this you want me to answer you want to we haven't had many takers at all on construction Capital Partners we will have a lot of users um users Partners once it's constructed but um this is going to be a city of Lake V own building and right now there's nobody really stepping up to kind of be that top level partner so we're thinking longer term the ongoing cost of it will be BN by all the partners but we're front for the one of the elements that Leo daily is still working on and we'll report back to council with is performal for the project so um if we get to go in from tonight they'll continue to work in on that perform and we'll come back to council and say okay this is what it's going to take to operate this facility and this will be the annual upkeep and maintenance and operations cost of it and that'll then tell us um where we would be at with the partners and where would we either be for membership fees and that kind of St one thing we did take an analysis of was the upgraded HVAC systems make mechanical systems um according to the B3 requirements and and played that out over a 40-year span and see does it even even if B3 wasn't required doesn't make sense and the answer was pretty pretty easy to say no it didn't make sense but we have those numbers comparisons um to know where our operating costs would probably fall and now it's just a matter of kind of finishing up um you know the loose ends on that that study that $5 million difference is really a it's a big deal for us uh especially the 7 million we got from the state we got that through the cash yeah cash amount if it was through a bonding we required that B3 standards so it means five five of the seven million we have to go towards that B3 standards so it's a it's a good it's a good deal that we don't have to hit the B3 requirements um I also wanted to add and I think you're all aware that we have submitted applications to the federal government again for another 7 million Angie Craig Tina Smith and Amy Kar we've got a little bit of traction on it I don't know if we're g to get there but yeah so far both Angie Craig and Senator po Bashar have submitted it forward as part of their recommendation whether or not it gets through the full process is another question but at least they're that's a big step to get into get into the submission list but that for 8 and a half million I think iteven or seven so it wasn't for the remaining there was another 8 million she put in for the kind of 5 interchange oh okay that's where other comments questions about Joshua um question about the warehouse um can you remind me what we're doing in there there wasn't really much of a schematic in in there about I I'm guessing a warehouse is just an open space but what are we using that space again for yeah the warehouse was kind of an element that we've been carrying along the whole way initially it was to try to make up for the space we were taking away from public parks and all homies grw it s morphon to really being a much smaller building cost savings and really being a space for just police and fire uses um we've got the PD command trailer that would go on there we've got secured storage for fire police that might be put in there um P got miscellaneous items bikes and stuff like that that they collect or finding before the auction offer for sale fire departments have their safety trailer that would go in there and then some other miscellaneous stuff and they also have a Zodiac boat that would be stored in there so those elements would take up about half of the warehouse so we've got some still have some expansion space there um it's one of the elements that we could do as an alternate to see what that's a million dollar close to a million dollars that can go away if we don't build that warehouse we just need to find Space to where to house those items somewhere else it I guess my only question is this the right space for our storage um is that cmf is that somewhere on site of DV station or a fire department it seems like it's an odd place if it's a kind of a a countywide regional fac facility for us to be placing our our storage so that's my only comment there when you want to rent out some of the extra space to City well correct me if I'm wrong she some of this some of this won't fit at like the police station right and so that's why it's here currently we do have and we have had plans to expand the cmf that continue to be in the CIP that could be an area that we been doing this it could be I don't like to do it but if we do find that we can't do the warehouse here we might have to find some temporary storage space I have to pay to to leasing space and so we do cmf and build in enough capacity to do some of the other things where you currently stor like evid vehicles uh we have some garage space and our atpd those are shortterm like pending a search for but if it's longterm it's down with the old so that would be another use cage off to cover on for two years right put it there the other thing that um isn't necessarily building related is we do use this spot for some of the less attractive things that Public Works does um such as storage of materials other things like that um where freezer yep so we're looking at what to do there um it could be that it's incorporated as part of a land purchase with the fire depart new fire station as well so we're looking at those options but um Public Works does value something here that's unique and that's direct access to the sanitary sewer system um which you can't replicate everywhere and so we're trying to be sure we preserve that um I can't I might have stepped out while you're talking about the site plan but this does have some proximity to the to the troutstream so there's some setback issues there too so um these are all kind of moving pieces that what's like the drop debt on the warehouse like can we say let's see how the federal you know money comes in you know I mean we out is an alternate and when we accept the bids we'd have to make a decision okay that would be February February yeah I mean the everything that's an alternate there I mean the acoustic enhancements I would I would just put those in I me to me that sounds like something that helps manage health um heing typ say I think that's more personal safety issue we can do something to manage the Acoustics it it is a big deal um especially for the the training staff that's in there a lot um it takes a toll on your on your body and just the reverberations and I do know at one point the public safety Foundation expressed interest in like like how what what's a tiny piece of this project that they could think about raising money for and so maybe we offer some of the alternates that's as an idea Warehouse I think they've only Ever Raised a million over 10 years I well and to be clear I wasn't thinking of the warehouse alternate necessarily because of cost it's just seemed like maybe not the exact right fit for that building so I don't know it makes sense to me if we're we're if we're taking away their space that they're currently using you know like replacing the space taking away so empty space it's fill up yeah I know but in the time if we didn't have a warehouse then they're sping to try to figure out where to put the stuff that they're already using I really know yeah but I also would if we're looking to spend a million on storage you know does that makes it more sense to expand cmf to incorporate all the other storage needs we also have I would say that the um where it's located now to kind of to your point um you know kind of makes sense but it also on occasion would be disruptive to the training that would be happening on on occasion when you need to access things from fire police during when it may be rented out to some other agency what what um I think we're all still great mov forward come back and report on the pro for of stff and then ATT start inspects you're ready for bid it's thank you for the time appreciate it thank you you guys we're all back okay Miss fry great well I am here to talk to you tonight about real quick sorry just just said this up for everybody um if you remember this was something that we talking about at the goal setting session here um if there's one thing that we heard a ton about especially during our labor negotiations this past year was the cost of insurance um health insurance um and so we thought we'd also and we had carried over enough um a project from last year to do kind of a a slim down wage study comparison study this year and so um we're doing both anal analyzing both of those but one of the conditions that we put in the team contract is that we would bring this uh topic to a work session so we're fulfilling that tonight um and we did bring this to the Personnel committee last week and I'm sure that they can talk about their thoughts after sorry to interrupt yeah no thanks um so you gave a good uh summary of kind of why we're here to talk about this um compensation and benefits are two huge topics so I could probably talk a lot longer but I'm not going to so hopefully I do uh give these two topics enough Justice tonight but um I think just to start it off um talking about the compensation piece is back in 2018 we hired a consultant to do what's known as a job classification and compensation study um that was done in 2018 so what happened was all positions were surveyed um and reviewed and essentially the consultant used those evaluations to kind of create what we call our job descriptions so um you use those job positions or job descriptions um to then evaluate each position in the organization so each position um gets evaluated on the first part is called work characteristics so there's kind of six different skill sets in those work characteristics so you break it down by that and then the next step is evaluating it based on what's called nine different job factors so it's kind of like education training knowledge uh ability safety things like that um so there's nine of those job factors that each position um is kind of graded on so um once you have all of those in place you know you come up with kind of a score ranking for each position and how it is to be kind of compensated within the organization which then gets us to this is our lak Bill's um Compensation Plan so that's kind of how we know uh where each position should fall and how we should compensate them so having done that once you do those um class and comp studies really you're just trying to maintain this plan for as long as possible this is when you hire an a consultant to do those studies they are rather expensive so you don't want to be um kind of doing those um super often and um the only time you you know really need to kind of re-evaluate Provisions should really be when we have you know a new position that we're proposing that's never been within the organization before so then we kind of have to go through this evaluation process or if we have an existing position that really um you know a department is expressing significant change in the role then we would have to kind of go through that re-evaluation process but we um have kind of the tools and resources to kind of do that internally um once we have this plan in place so now we're to this kind of last bullet point which um Justin had alluded to too which is the occasionally um comparing to our Market comparison so that's kind of wanted to give you a little history of how we got to here and then kind of why we're doing um this comparison so it's also important to note too um that when we're looking at our Market comparisons every city that we use as a comparison has their own unique uh Compensation Plan and philosophy different from us so um just kind of keep that in the next slide um so what I have found um since I've been here is that that um we've had this compensation philosophy that Lakefield strives to have wages that are between 90 and 95% of the market average or better um and our Market average would be based off of our Market comparable Group which consists of 14 cities that I have listed there um but for the record those are Bloomington Brooklyn Park Plymouth Woodbury Blaine Maple Grove Egan Eden Prairie con rpid Burnville minetonka Apple Valley Edina and St Louis Park so all of them are you know Metro um cities that we use as those comparisons um and I think we'll go to the next slide so that was kind of what I've found to be um what our philosophy has been in the past um and then how that compares to what other cities do so I didn't hear get a ton of feedback from our comparable groups but the ones I did hear back from I threw them on here um so as you can see most of who I heard back from their philosophy is they kind of use a percentile and again I don't know who their Market comparable cities are so those could be vastly different um than what we use but a lot of them use a percentile of their comparable groups um there's really only a couple Rapids strives to be 100% of their Market average and then there is Maple grow who doesn't put any numbers to it and they just say they want to be externally competitive so on the compensation end um you know as we're kind of going through this preliminary market assessment with our compensation with our peers um our wages are are looking comparable to those of our comparable groups um we're definitely you know within that our current philosophy of that 90 to 95 you're always going to have some that are um above that range and sometimes you have ones that are below uh we really don't have many that are below the ones that are I think will they'll be addressed and um I think the main issue with those is they just don't have a lot of good comparable data to those um so questions on compensation would kind of be does it make sense who our Market comparable group is those 14 comparable cities do we want to kind of keep using that group and then you know also discussion on this compensation philosophy yeah I mean I can't think of a city that we don't the only thing man I would I wouldn't want to go down maybe Dakota County but I don't know if we want I me it's so different for County compensation in city for a lot of different reasons I mean I'll just step in real quick I mean I think our comp cities are fine we we're pretty consistent on that um you know the the philosophy it hasn't been like a set it's not in our policy handbook right anything like that just been more of a practice um the more I thought about it I just think it sends a little bit of a wrong message to say to our employees that were only worth 90 to 95% of the average right um I know that's not what we mean that's how it come across and so personally I like flexibility um and I don't necessarily I mean I like kind of like the Maple Grove example you know um you know it it gives us the flexibility on some positions to be higher than average on some to be maybe not as average um but that gives us the flexibility it doesn't box Us in and so if I were to recommend moving forward that we kind of go up with a different pay philosophy kind of be that we try to be externally competitive with our with our competitive for PES with the new state law requiring transparency of job POS and about you know every three years you approve a pay Equity plan and Lista can talk about what that is the pay Equity sure uh yes so once every three years we report on pay which is just payment of all compensation of all of our wages but it's really looking at kind of how we pay the difference between males and females within the organization and just um the goal of that is to ensure that um there's no inequities there so that a male and a female who have the same kind of educational background um years of service within the organization are being paid fairly or similarly within the organization yeah I like your idea of the changing you know maybe to Mir what mle Grove makes a lot of sense that's what we discussed at the personel commit have supported that as well yeah yeah I think in the end the proof is in the foing and if you say we're externally competitive and our pay shows that you don't need a percentage you know I'll give a little bit of a shout out to Courtney here we had money budgeted to hire a consultant to do this work um but what we found is nor they're going to access the same data that we could I mean they're going to go to the big Minnesota City database and actually courtne needs probably bit more work than that she has actually gone to some of their individual pay plans some of them weren't escalated to 24 numbers so she you know did that um and what we found and it's pretty tedious I you should see her spreadsheet but some have pay PL yeah some don't have pay PL but but we found and we only evaluated the non-union positions because we kind of did our own Market through the negotiations but around 86 positions or So Courtney um I'd say half of them were above the 100% average and when I say above we she looked at both numbers our starting wage and our top range right so about half of those we were really good about 90% of the rest were within that 90 to 95% range right so then we're just looking at the handful of others so that's why I feel confident moving into this year's budget process and going back and reporting to the organization I think we're pretty good on the wage side um where I do think we need to talk about is on the benefit side know this is going to get into that one done here there any other questions on the compensation side otherwise I'll move right into the insurance okay um so to just kind of catch you up to speed on what we currently offer um we have two high deductible Health Plans um and then employees have their choice of four different networks they can choose from um on either of those Health Plans um the network option are just park nlet elect Vantage and passport um and the premium associated with what an employee would pay depends on kind of what plan and then what network you you choose the passport network is kind of that Network where you can go anywhere um don't need to really stay combined to a primary care position or anything like that so that one is the most expensive of our plans um and then those employees who wa W benefits um receive $50 a month for waving benefits um and just to give you an idea of kind of where we're at for enrollment of numbers um we average around um it can change by the month depending on new hires and and people who would terminate off the plan um but we aage average around 199 employees on our plan for a month and of those uh 100 130 of those are enrolled in single coverage and then we have about 24 that are enrolled in one of the kind of employee plus one so I call that two-party and then uh 45 are enrolled in a family plan so just to give you kind of an idea of what those numbers look like and when you say family some in their family's plan like your spouse on our on our plan they so you're saying there's not very many people that W it um there's about 25 employees that wave so that wouldn't be included in that 189 okay yeah you can go to the next slide so then um what I had also included um So based on the feedback we were hearing from those negotiations and and we had had a couple meetings with our insurance committee um they really wanted to see well how do our benefits kind of compare to other groups and so we kind of use that same philosophy that we do for compensation using those 14 comparable cities um I received feedback from 12 of them which is the spreadsheet that was attached um that was kind of my um data that I had gathered from all of those cities um to try to make sense of how our benefits compare and it's really difficult because it's not always Apples to Apples it can be very unique based on each City so I tried to focus more so on the plans that were very comparable to those height adaptable ones that we offer um and so the things that I focused on um are pullet pointed on this slide which would be the annual deductible Co Insurance annual a of-pocket maximum the total monthly premium and then the monthly employer contribution uh monthly HSA or via employer contribution and then the monthly amount for waved coverage so when looking at all those things I think um safe to say that the feedback from the insurance committee to the biggest kind of area of room for improvement was um in that employer contribution and so if you want to go to what did the colors need that was for me um but yeah I can explain that so um when I gathered all that information um it's a lot to look at and so for me in order to kind of summarize all this data um anything in yellow was kind of neutral so that was similar to what we offer here in Lakeville uh anything in red was worse than what Lakeville offers and anything in green was better than what Lakeville oper thought the other way yeah J the same yeah I I would thought red is our areas that we need to think about fun my brain must work um so is there any thought process on if we had upped the the waiver like if we say $50 is not a lot of money do you think that we' had people say oh I'll just jump on my spouses and would we save money if we we hear anecdotally from people is that we have a lot of singles on our coverage because it's free right and so it get a build up their hsas right but their families are on a different their spouses plan right so I don't know if it would there is a little bit of an adverse selection and the the Brokers and our the carriers do get a little little scared when you start to make it too lucrative to opt out because then usually your healthier people are oping out your St question to and I think I figured it out looking at the chart but so sometimes you have single and family and family is when you have one person or 15 people you pay the same thing additionally but other family plans are a person and their spouse person and child spouse and child how does others work yeah so everyone everyone does that a little bit different um we do so you can have single which is just the employee then you can have employee plus child or children or you can have employee plus spouse so both of those kind of are what I consider the two- party tiers and then family coverage which would be the employee and all spouse dependence whoever you have in your in your okay um and comparable cities some of them have the same setup that we have offer all those tiers and some of them just have just two party where it it just means employee plus one other person doesn't matter who it is um and then I think there is one city on here I can't remember which one it is but I think they just offer single and family there's no two-party level yeah so yeah I'm aware of some to do that and it's yeah it's like my daughter turns 26 it's just me and my wife it's going to cost us same as if I had all four you know two of my kids so okay I was just curious about that because I think that there is some benefit to Le sending that choice okay so then this next slide is really um focusing on that employer contribution piece that we were hearing most of the feedback regarding so the blue bars are representative of the single premiums of um what the employer contribution is for uh for each City on the single side and then the red represents the family um employer contribution by each City so um trying to just show the difference I didn't I don't want to make it too complicated with adding all those different two parties in there um and for us it's a little little bit easier because I tried to focus on the fact that um we offer 70% of of the premium on the park nicholet end um for both two- party and family so I guess what this is kind of demonstrating is that you know if we're even a little bit lower on the family side we're going to be lower on the two-party side as well um so the dotted line you can see there that's that's kind of that trend line or the the average that we're seeing for what the family um employer cont contribution is and so that's kind of up near that 80 kind of percentage mark As to kind of what our comparables are are doing um and then I I did look at the numbers closer to on the um two-party side um and across our Market groups the employer contribution is running about anywhere from 86 to 90% of how that's um like a bla get to 180% on single is that hsas or um so bla and I think Blaine's the only one that might be unique in this situation but everyone does it a little different Blain would um they offer more of a true cafeteria plan where they give more dollars than than what the premium is and then they allow employees to allocate them how they see this so it might be that they yes contribute it to their HSA or um I think in their example they might use their dollars towards Dental too um and there's like some of those other higher cities um do something unique but I think Blain was truly the only one that was kind of like a true cafeteria style so I I think really just you know based on on kind of the feedback that we're getting and the data that we're seeing from our comparable groups um you know the recommendation would be to you know have an increase to the employer contributions specifically on that those kind of two-party and family contributions um the hard part is that we don't get renewal information and numbers until August so it's it's kind of like a a waiting game almost for us any other questions on this piece um this is not a truly reflective Pi not all pies are um equal but um just a reminder that you know when talking about benefits and and compensation um wages and benefits is you know a lot of times what we just want to focus on but um it's important to remember that there are more things that kind of equate to the the true compensation of what an employee receives here so you know that comes and some not all of them have dollar amounts that you can easily attach to them some you can some you can't um but there's there's a lot of other things that we can um also look to when talking about other areas of total compensation so then the last slide is really just kind of what potential benefit recommendations look like and so uh the first two would kind of coincide with the data that I just showed you that um a recommendation would be for an increase to employer contributions to monthly premiums and then um during renewal time we can potentially look at also some plan option changes but again that it totally depends on the carrier and um kind of what those numbers look like um but things that are different that we could also consider in the future and not saying that we have to consider all of these things at once but these are just things to note that other cities do and um for us to kind of stay competitive and and unique and an employer of choice we can also look at some of these other things would be an hcsp which the stand for healthc care Savings Plan um offering Citywide so we have um some of our Union groups that already participate in this hcsp plan I think it's been um brought before our Council before um but just hasn't really taken off on the non-union side um the the good thing about the hcsp is uh the focus is that you know your HSA and your via accounts are really meant for kind of like your your health dental your your expenses incurred today and the hcsp is for you know when you're no longer employed or you're retired that is so that would be equivalent to like a post employment Health reimbursement yes y yep um then some other things to consider would be a tuition reimbursement program Citywide again we have uh Union contract that does this currently um but we don't do this for any non-union employees um paid parental believe another kind of Hot Topic that's out there but um you know the state is coming out with a its own kind of Paid Family and Medical Leave in 2026 so um I think we'll see how that goes and then another thing that some cities do that's kind of unique and interesting to employees is a volunteer day but those are just some other ideas okay I like the idea of volunteer day yeah I think that's cool great idea the other thing this is not to replace a tuition reimbursement I think we have that conversation because the city is a member of the chamber our employees technically can apply for the chamber Foundation scholarships get that information so it's not a big amount of money but there's opportunity okay okay other anything from the Personnel committee that you wanted us to think about or what your kind of recommendation I think our recommendation was to let the staff determine where we should be at and I think the overall is is that our feeling is we just want to stay competitive and keep the best employees and if we're running into issues not necessarily with the wage but because of um benefits health benefits Etc insurance benefits if if that is scaring somebody off and taking a position here and yet they're the highly qualified person be nice to have the staff look at it and see where we can become a little more competitive was there any value in comparing to the school district's health insurance no okay not a good way yeah okay um I mean we do get that thrown at us a lot but um least the feeling is schools have better benefits we haven't seen their plans to know how to evaluate that that's what we hear I really appreciate how this was laid out and the recommendation is specific to a concern that's been brought up for several years um the Personnel committee has talked about this for a while um but now the data I think helps support a kind of a a very narrow or specific solution with the family and the two- party tier so I I I think that's why the recommendation from the Personnel committee was pretty clear that we should be looking towards that closer to 80% see I don't know if that's a a one-year uh recommendation or a tier you know over the course of several years recommendation but um I think that's why it was a pretty clear support from the Personnel committee because of data support at all thank you for the work that you all mining that thank you have we ever done satisfaction on the actual Plans offered you know like um you know we have an insurance committee and we see feedback um the biggest complaint we hear is um the out of pocket maximum um you know a lot of people still want to go back to the $5 co-pay days and you know we know that's not happening but that outof pocket maximum does hit um if you use up your HSA every year um and we've heard recently a couple about some emergency room stuff you know with some of the networks and things like that um but if you remember the reason we had this many networks is because when we switched to this plan two three years ago um we did receive a lot of feedback that the plan we were switching to change the network for a lot of people so we went back and off this so that people didn't have to change their doctors if they didn't want to but in some cases it did mean they had to go to a richer plan okay yeah now was going to be one of my I I'm assuming the passport is a pretty open plan it's going to cost more but I have a lot more choice and where I go and do I see so I yeah and I can certainly support being competitive with what we offer employees and I'm a huge fan of the hcsp um and I would just encourage I know it's an uphill for the people that aren't unionized because if you're unionized you can cont you can negotiating a contract but there are options that you have that don't necessarily take um require you know AG gree on a percentage to take out of everybody's check uh so I would just encourage you to keep keep exploring that because that's a that's a big benefit each of our unions does have it yeah it's the non-union group that we were there and I had to yeah no that's that's a tough that's a tough one well thank you all for the work on this and we'll look forward to seeing be part of the budget discussion as Sumer yeah um yes so Julie W to give us whatever yeah whatever works for you I don't well as you know first quarter um Haven been our stride with a lot of the seasonal type costs and that and revenues um we haven't gotten our tax money it comes in June uh we are slated to have 30 million roughly for revenues for taxes um we did include the numbers just to give you an update for first quarter and Licensing and permits you see we're not quite there to a 25% Court of a budget or those projections but if you go through May 16th um we got 125 single family units and budgeting 300 so we're almost halfway there already and then um Town Homes we at 48 neighborhood right one so um just highlighting some points in the narrative that you were given um charges for services we are higher than previous year know um no just in line with the budget right now for our 25% um Public Safety um it's all a timing issue we get our um our SRO contributions um we build those out in June so again this is a kind of cyclical nature of when it actually happens so um Public Works revenues again those are based on summer construction projects are just ramping up um parks and rep parks and revenues up 13,000 from prior year um so that is a good sign we are slightly under budget but again seasonal in nature and those are going to really um ramp up here um when we're looking at the expenditures in the general fund we are about 400,000 greater than the same time last year and we're at 23% of our 24 budget so um that's a good thing we right in line there and under budget just a bit um the comparative difference in transfers um when you bring that in because of how we used to do transfers we used to do a transfer in from these other funds we're now showing those as expenditures in those funds so it's a reduction in the expenditures shown on on the general fund side rather than transfer in of money so we're still going to have to get it to get to the explanation of what that means trying to figure out the best wor um Personnel overall in the general fund were at 23% of budget so just a couple percents under um the 25% Benchmark um again you know there's vacancies that are just filled um the fire fighters that we um just hired that was they were hired at the end of uh the first quarter so that plays into it as well um General fund the expenditures just uh pretty much in line there's not anything alarming um city clerk is higher compared to the prior because of the election costs and the county did Bill us for the election equipment in that first quarter so um legal fees are up 3% over the 25% Benchmark so a little higher than last year um Community Development is a little higher or 27% of budget um but we had the retirement of the planning director so that they into that piece um we did and we are now showing in the financials to Consolidated community and economic development and planning all in one group so um Human Resources a little bit higher than budget um same period again retirement of the HR manager so we did have some savings on professional because of all the money we spent and um the Erp things last year with our NE um those costs so those were some Savings in HR um for this year uh police they're within budget um being higher than previous year du the Staffing additions that we brought on um fire I mentioned that about the full-time firefighters starting uh GIS engineering Personnel is a little bit Bel low budget and we understand that because they've had that vacancy and and now we had that filled we're excited about that um so that's very positive I know I know Zach's happy um Recreation and arts center that was another one that was um we are exceeding the prior year but there's a lot of expenditures that they've had in this first quarter that have to do with the grant that they were awarded in 2023 by the way that is the biggest um grant that they've gotten from the state Arts board um the previous award record was 66,000 and then this latest one was 77,500 so it's great um and to Communications fund um as you all know revenues are contining to drop some historical trending downward people are looking for other ways to get their entertainment and so and that's not unique for us as a city other cities are dealing with that um the expenditures are over budget by 45 and they're up 45,000 from last year um the news printed newsletter is what um driving most of that um again that fund balance though is healthy it's not um we don't have to concern ourselves with that yet uh liquor fund phenomenal still going gang busters um they had a 3.7% increase over the same time last year so uh 4.8 milli increase and the gross profit margin is up so it was 27% that first quarter last year and now it's 29.7% 24 so um overall the total expenditures for the lior fund are right in the 25% budget Mark so they're doing well um and again our our transfers out of the liquor fund those were great that they were still able to that were a able to continue that process and that that practice water fund um typical again Lower revenues in the first quarter and just a slightly higher than last year's at the same time just because of the growth and customer base we're not summer water use yeah yes that is okay we'll take that um expenditures are below budget up again all coming in coming in strong um the major maintenance things in the water fund we've got 2.8 million and major maintenance so there are some large things happening most of that is water tower cleaning inspections repairs so we fund um revenues are exceeding budget so um but we do have that lovely met Council fee um that went up 6.8% over last year so we paid them about 5 a half million a year so um major maintenance for sewer roughly 100 $1.2 million of of different things so again fund balance is strong can handle it um Street lighting fund nothing extraordinary there uh revenues are actually up but that of course again said the customer base contining to grow because we did not have a rate increase for street lights um and by on our resources fund um our grants are inter governmental grants um budgeted at 69,000 so um the largest portion of that is roughly half a million for the Green Ridge Park water quality improvements um and then in the environment environmental resource fund to the Personnel expenditures are higher the budget due to those new employee transitioning between steps so just moving up um with that there's um I think just wanted to point out with this general fund summary if you're looking at comparing first quarter this year versus first quarter last year we are up 1.3 million um to the goods so those are the numbers that you know as I'm looking at this going comparing year over year so um with is there any questions on anything no we just need to run a campaign to get people sign back up for good luck replug uncut it's cheaper than all the apps yeah it will be I mean well when it doesn't work it's not yeah any other Yeah Yeah question thank you appreciate it um okay City Proclamation policy and just the reasons Justin and I talked about I get a ton of requests on this Justin pulled together I think Dakota County got a good example yeah I mean think the mayor teed it up get a lot of these I got one just last week after we spoke darts is asking for a proclamation for their 50th Anniversary um there's the list is inless if you wanted to go down this route so just um but it seems to come up every couple years and so I just wanted to see if there's any interest from the council to change the practice to create a form policy just I would just say I would I would like the ability to do more of them um a lot most of the stuff that I get or asked to do are very non-controversial it's like ALS awareness month I know so I'm I'm totally I would like to have a policy so I could say hey look yeah this is something we'll we'll do and you know I think it helps you know draw attention to certain well it does and I think part of the problem is is like if there was a policy in the process people would know you know I I have to submit this request more than a week before meeting and you know you see I'm not sure people are aware of the timing um you know so I think a policy would be good uh policy would be good for going to turn it down well that's that's the thing and if you do develop a policy I mean with the the spirit of yeah we want to do more of these unless it's this one you know that's I mean that's that's a reality so I think a policy would have to be really well written um in terms of what applies uh to what's going on in the city like we have people in our city that are experiencing ALS I have a friend that died from it it's important it's important for our community um so I think if we can find some TI at that would like to see a policy well and then if we go and Proclaim something like that then the communications department picks up and you know helps educate our citizens on what these people are going through that you know yeah as long as it's not political in nature and controversial I don't know how you WR the policy completely and I thought that's hard I mean and and that's I think we do we do a couple we do three now basically right we do National Day of Prayer manufacturing weekend sometimes sometimes we' Dr Public Works week in there and you know things that were more City departments and I think you know previous City councils just didn't want to be in a situation where they'd say well pick winner you know be picking in between which I I get that is a that's a challenge well I think but we don't really have a policy at this point if we were to stick to what we're currently doing I would feel more comfortable saying to somebody that reaches out through email Etc here's our policy sorry that we can't do that for you it's not with you know what I it's not within the policy but to basically get these requests and it you know just pulls at your heart string um and yet can't do anything about it but I don't know why you know I think the policy also it isn't just what to prohibit and what to allow but what the process is and so once again if if uh June is National ladybug month and it's June 1 and you're submitting this and it won't be heard until the next council meeting I I would think that wouldn't fit in a policy I I don't know I I think some timing things um would would be important for for it to but so do you know so this says ceremonial proclamations and resolutions are signed by the board J issued does the County Board actually vote on those or is it basically just like they get one on public awareness and the board chairs that's kind of done I'm not sure about that I mean I do know um previous Mayors here have done just mayoral proclamations you know not taken it to the council just done their own kind of thing and some some people just are happy with that I can't remember looking at any County agendas if they've had proclamations on there I don't seem for for that where do they go so it do a mayor proc whoever asked for it to the organization so they can put on their website right I mean just for an example I had terney terney comes up with a list of things scheduled events to promote throughout the year right based on month so example February is Black History Month March is National Women's History Month um May is Asian-American and Pacific Islander heritage month June is pride month um you know we have a list of those kind of things um but any one of those somebody could say is political right right so but we're already kind of doing it right I mean at least in social media I mean we're recognizing holidays religious and part of this was um growth out of the cultivated sense of community task force you know it was the request to be more inclusive recognize more groups within the city and so that's been a a direct impact or direct result to Ty being asked to do that maybe if we just stick to related ones to start out small well so there's I mean there's to me it's fine public awareness art and cultural celebrations and special honors it's pretty it's broad but I didn't see their policy as really restricting any proclamations um because it still offered space for there to be exceptions well it sounds like the bort though is discretion I read right I don't think that they take these to the board yeah I think they just signed by the so our equivalent would be the mayor sign in that would allow me to be any of you wanted approach by a group you could ask the mayor hey you mind doing you could do that want that responsibility it's kind of the deal of being elected together you know because the other option that I was thinking about with this is that if there were a true proc Proclamation that we were all behind there would need to be some time and some sort of way for someone to propose an idea that we'd have an opportunity to at least agree on as as it stands the proclamations that we have it's not that we've ever voted on it or I don't think we disagree with aror day or manufacturer day well but yeah it depends on how many trees I har support is that for that year but if you but if you do Proclaim something as mayor I mean there refusal from the council like no I don't like that Proclamation I I don't know because I've never done it I don't think Doug really did either so I think we're we're talking about eight years have gone at least probably seven I guess I didn't even know that it could sure but that's not writing anyway right no and that wasn't necessarily for was just something that was I don't know I mean if you think about it the the Day of Prayer could be controversial you know because now you're you're adding a religious aspect to something that we're doing and so I don't know I I mean and depending on so these things come up and it's like routine in need to us so we just like read the proclamation and nobody puts up a you know and sometimes I look at a proclamation I look at some of the information and I just okay no just gonna bite my tongue and move forwards you know what I mean it's like it's somewhat controversial to me you know but I'm not g to make a big deal out of it um so and there those that's the part I just never really understood they just happened so when some somebody was requesting something I was like I don't even know the process they just happened and I don't know why and it was you know just because I read something doesn't mean that I'm the one that brought it Forward I think that's another confusing part to him oh sure yeah that's a good point thought about that I usually just try to make sure everybody has a chance to do I know sometimes you know for the public they think that the person that read it yeah but that was their sure deal so I think for me the outcome I'd like to see is for proclamations to be very core to the operations of the city but to offer a channel for residents to feel more comfortable the com Council to talk about issues that they're that are meaningful to them because that would to me be more meaningful if more residents came to the council to Proclaim their own if you will when the last two that I did request that was my response back and neither took us up on it I think if you do it you I mean got a couple photo ops the beginning of every council meeting which is is good as well you're bringing them in raising Awareness on their issue I request these would a bit for my day job for Supermarket employee awareness day from Governor's offices so yeah I mean they just have very formal process they never edit anything thing and you know they send it to us and we do social media and post it break it that sort of thing so it's just I mean it's it's a nice way to give some validation to um yeah you're GNA get a wide range of them no question about it but I think it's I I think it's something you know still watch Burnsville Council meetings for some reason and they first 20 minutes is Mayor pranon up there with Proclamation so um but I think it can go overboard but also I don't think the council needs to vote on every the discretion to so then maybe that the policy to try out is say okay well Contin your proclamations for the the core but then also discretion of the mayor to do mayoral proclamations that just are signed or voted on and if it gets out of hand then you tell the mayor well think um I I well I think the the value though is to use the public meeting certainly to talk about it if it's like an not if it's you know this person retired and work you know whatever and that was an ask but it was an awareness month or so 100 birthdays sometimes yeah and and I and I've done 100th birthdays and that's just a sign card onent a mation but it was you know on City letterhead yeah it's hard to tell this person specifically I mean if they just want us to recognize like the ALS you know this is an issue it's an issue in our community but if they want somebody if they want it to be public like hey this thing should be read at a council meeting you I think I think that those are two different things so it's important to do that I like this paragraph about what we want to issue them for because I think it's going to it would be important to say no we are going to issue an opinion on the election which candidate we should support or anything like that you know I think I think it's important to have that piece but for the most part they're just really people that are passionate about something well we can take a baby step instead I think we're kind of still all across the board on this um that we stick to what we're currently doing but if you decide to do a proclamation for for whatever reason you mail it out that during our meeting when you talk about announcements yeah you just use that time as the announcement to say that as mayor I've signed a proclamation for this cause and then we then you know leave it at that I mean that would be kind of the baby step to this whole thing yeah I'll cover with that I mean I still will probably tell people they can come to public comment oh well if they come to public comment that's their prerogative yeah I don't Envision the M of other cities where every single one that invied them in adding 25 minutes to our right is I I didn't notice do the Dakota County policy require that b person live in Dakota County because that's every governor's office pretty much has that as a requirement because there's all these out of State Corporations requesting and we did this in pharmaceutical world you know every every little condition uh me your condition but every specific health condition they would request a proclamation for um maybe they don't care at the city level but I think you always have to find a resident of that state a resident or business person in the city I would you know if you meet the standard to be on the EDC you can ask for a proclamation yeah the county position doesn't say anything about that should send a request to see if it gets approved something up the currenty um so do you want to craft something based on policies saying you know it's got to be directly related to City business otherwise the mayor has the right to issue mayoral proclamations at his discretion or the request of council members on issues that works yeah and there should be an expectation that they provide language right you know most of them are local residents were on boards or something yeah they yeah they get a boiler plate whatever Association whatever uh okay items for future discussion do you want to go over the script Courtney we put on that for tomorrow um did everyone have a chance to look over the script for The Advisory Board dinner no because will be there when okay when council member V that she didn't attend I assume I was G to get a new one so I didn't read the other one I'll I'll send out an update maybe either later tonight or tomorrow um there'll be four I won't be there so I'll just kind of divy them up few boards per person if that's okay yep sure all right yeah I wasn't on the other script because I wasn't there last year so oh so it all work itself out perfect that works actually no what did you [Laughter] have all Bo are just as a note we have two food truck well one food truck in LBC um but as you know LBC will be a little bit more convenient um if you do see a line and or maybe a lack of a line at the F truck you know we might ask that you patronize the the other so is there getting like a thing you'll get a token what's the TRU tortillas cakes is gonna be where of the cakes will be in the Pavilion they're going to do like a display on the table AES lunch all these se you got some nice simp blankets with [Music] cool um any any commit 35W Solutions just boid 494 at all costs this summer that's pretty much we talked about um the ALF meeting was interesting to me um we had an update about some of the changes that the board approved um in January to allow there to be one paramedic and EMT on each rig um and they they requested that because they were having a hard time with some shifts Staffing with two paramedics and that change so far has gone very well um they've been able to build their trucks which then increas as the amount of trucks that's good out there um also this year they changed where the trucks are sitting and both of them are in Lake um and so they're at stations two and one no one and three thank um anyway they because they wanted to equal out some of the response times um and when they were playing basketball at my Park the other day it's not always three they were definitely OES part for a good half hour we'll good Community um but there was a significant change in our favor um terms of response time and I think it's equaling out the playing field in terms of response times between Apple Valley foring good gonna get him a test grun this weekend um the other thing that we don't know what the Imp is yet but the emsrb was repealed uh which that transition is going to happen over the nine months or so so um it's completely turned over January one of next year that was in that big building so I was a little unclear about that going into the ALF meeting but uh I don't know that there's much to report on it just that that will have some impact in the future yeah mostly on regulation not on operation okay anything else we public safety meeting that talked with both Chiefs it was a pleasant time and I got a hiring update um plan fir fighter status so they're really just updates um the police department uh has that new Support Services leaon position that will be working directly with uh the county worker and I think that's going to be a really good deal and the fire department has a dashboard that I I thought was incredible yeah and uh the potential is is once to get that up and running and get some data in there that ability like for us to be able to access on a high level and see some of the data so I thought was pretty cool um and then had Dakota 911 board of directors meeting it was a budget meeting and uh so the budget this year is uh $12.5 million uh for the DCC uh member fees went up about 7% 7% U but uh and it's for the next couple years it'll be like that and then there's some projection that later on this decade they'll start going down but pretty pretty uh pretty reasonable and just there any conversation about relooking at the backup after the situation in Wisconsin yeah there was uh there was some an update on that outage um if you remember correctly uh that was a storm in I believe the Madison area that knocked out that service for 41 different p saps uh Dakota 9911 happens to be the largest of those P saps um you know everybody was going yeah we're going to look at this we're going to get down to Grass tax and figure out what's going on that's going a lot slower uh than than people would have expected uh we had a conversation about um exercising our voice as the largest agency maybe starting to put some pressure there's not a lot happening at the state level um in terms of even just saying this is what we're this is how we can fix it there's not a lot going on there so we're going to start to exert a little bit of pressure and exercise our voice didn't anybody bring up that it's not just happening in our state that it's happening in States across the country yeah and I mean it just recently the last couple weeks it's happened again in some other states so something's up yeah something's up and you have I mean if you can imagine the technolog 911 Cil provider you got a Motorola that has a system you got the phone system you've got fiber I mean there's just so much I'm it's it's a really it's an amazing piece of technology but to your point you know there's something that's not working and um you know I'm not sure how much testing is going on to or just drills in terms of if this goes down how do we physically switch this so I guess what my point is it's not just a state thing it's probably you need to look at a federal level too to see if there's something that can be done so that this isn't happening across the US yeah but that was uh DCC here to we had uh EDC last week and they continue as a group to come up with kind of their long term strategy and plan so have good brainstorming session last week looking for I have a question well maybe a topic for a future meeting about just how our cities using AI in day-to-day work or how we might anticipate using it to make ourselves more efficient um seems to be the topic of the day so yeah I just a panel about that and every city approach some cities are totally embracing it and others we just talked about oured and with that I will I'll take a motion to I move to second second all in favor say I I