All right, we'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. We'll start with the pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Um, for our agenda tonight, I got one item I'd like to add. G5, the Carter Blaine purchase agreement. Is there any other items anybody would like to add or just not? I would take a motion to approve. >> Make the motion to approve the agenda with the changes as mentioned. >> Thank you, Ryan. Do we have a second? >> Yeah. Second. >> Thank you, Paul. All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Thank you. consent consent agenda. Is there any items on there you would like to discuss? If not, I would take a motion to approve as is. >> Make the motion to approve as is. >> Thank you. We have a motion from Ryan. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Thank you, Sheldon. All in favor? >> I >> oppos. Thank you. Uh, next visitors to the council. Megan farmers market. if you'd like to come up to the center podium, state your name and address. And >> just to preface that, we do have improvement in there, the information that was emailed to you earlier. >> So, just a background, um, the request there, you should be able to see that. >> Yes. Yes, there it is. Thank you. >> Um, I'm Megan Coker and you said address. >> Yeah. So, I'm technically a Byron resident, but it's 5059th AB Northwest in Byron. >> Thank you. >> Um, so I'm just here. I'm sure many of you got our very nice long email. Um, but to just to provide some clarification about possibly starting a farmers market for next season, our hope is to do a Sunday market from about 1 to 4 in the afternoons just to give opportunity to those who may go to church or come in from out of town who've been camping and such. Um, I'm a vendor myself. There's a group of us who are also vendors, have a good amount of experience um being a part of other or other events, but also have hosted a few ourselves. Kind of our goal is to create a sense of community. Um kind of Cassin's the center of Manorville and Byron and all these other little towns. I'm a Dodge County mom myself, so we know that like we're really friendly with everybody in the area. And so it'd be really nice to have the opportunity to do something on Sunday afternoons. kind of where we're looking for help is one the approval to be able to do it in a public space where to do it. Um I would leave up to you guys kind of we're happy to do it wherever. All we ask is that it's more of in like in a populated area whether that's a parking garage or parking lot um uh the park by the pool or something around [clears throat] there just so that we have enough foot traffic to support the vendors. Uh we're happy to purchase any signage if we have permission where we can put signage up. We're happy to coordinate that all ourselves. So, I guess as much as you would like to be involved or would not like to be involved, we're happy with there is a group of us that are hoping to eventually grant a nonprofit status is our goal. Part of that is to be able to accept grants from the state, but then our end goal is to be able to do um like the EBT token conversions to give more opportunity for people to get fresh produce and baked goods. Another initiative we're hoping to do is our little farmer initiative. And that's just to teach kids about agriculture and farming, but also give them a chance to do some entrepreneurship, allow them to vend for free, put up a stand, and kind of sell products that they would want on their own. Um maybe possibly eventually do a token system for them as well where they can go purchase a piece of produce or cookies or bread or something like that just to encourage them to get out and be out in the sunshine and do things like that. Megan, do you uh know what kind of space constraints you would need? >> Um enough for us to be able to safely block off a space for vendors so that vehicles can't drive through and then just a parking space, whether that be street parking or um anything like that. >> Well, when I was talking with public works a little bit, we were trying to identify potential locations. >> Yeah. >> And cuz I know for example like the u the folks over in Byron sometimes use the parking ride over there. >> Yes. It used to be. >> So I mean we do have a parking ride here in Kassen. Okay. Okay. >> And I don't know, you mentioned like you wanted foot traffic like that is not like it's off of 14. Yes. So it's not necessarily like it'd be very visible, you know, so I don't know if that would be potentially a location you would want to look at. Otherwise, you know, obviously Veterans Park is centrally located in town. Does have a large parking area. Potentially could be a positive. At least the only issue there I could see would be if there's baseball games conflicts with the parking that's already there in the summertime on a Sunday afternoon. >> Yeah. I mean, sure. >> Right. We we could mitigate some of that. But I mean, so I guess those are the the two sites that immediately came to my mind. Yeah. >> And part of it just a matter of do you want it to be in town or do you want it more visible? I guess would be what would you think would be your thoughts on that? >> I think the overall preference is to be visible. >> Like I don't know how many of you have like driven past like oo tents. I'm going to see what's going on. So I think that's kind of the goal. Obviously, we know we're kind of a little bit off 14 and part of that is signage to be able to put maybe somewhere close off of 14 with some good clear signage directing them towards. But I think the primary goal is some visibility. >> Okay. And I know you had mentioned a little bit about teaching kids and all that. Have you talked with the school? >> I have not yet. We were kind of starting here and then if we got approval we would um our hope is through this winter be able to talk to not only the Cass and Manville school district but Byron as well to kind of start to set those stepping stones for next year. >> That would be another prime location if the school was willing. >> Oh, sure. Okay. >> Cuz they would have the KM Tail KM Telecom Stadium that whole parking lot. >> Yeah. >> You know that's true. >> Which would be walking distance for quite a few people and >> it's just off of 16th Street. >> Yeah. and well central located per se in the school. You know, if they're interested in working, that's an option. Okay. >> Not that we're not. I mean, we're sure we're we're willing to look at options. I just thought that might be a nice one. Plus, with the training ability, maybe the school's got something with community ed or the school that >> Yeah, absolutely. >> feed into that, too. >> Yeah, I think we're kind of flexible wherever you guys would think is best. Um, I can definitely reach out to the school and see what they say and kind of go from there. But yeah, I think it's a good idea. >> I mean, I guess the council discussed it last meeting and I didn't have any objections to it. So, I think it's more of, you know, if we can coordinate with you, you know, for example, if it was the parking ride, we'd want to provide some kind of barricades probably because sure, >> we'd still want part of that parking ride to be available for parking even on a Sunday because folks are going to park there. You're going to want to park there off the side. You're going to have your other stuff. Um, same thing's true with with uh with veterans. There are a few more things at veterans that we'd have to work through just because we do have pool parking, we have baseball games, we got the festival in the park part of the year, but um I don't know if does any of the council have any other questions for I >> I like the foot traffic idea having it [clears throat] at the veterans >> fields just because you have the parking lot. You're going to have kids at the pool, their parents hopefully are bringing them there. Um so you might have more foot traffic just naturally there on a Sunday, but the constraints of parking could be an issue. Um and there are other events. So that was my biggest drawback was the number of other events that are going on on a Sunday. I like that you're having it on a Sunday versus Rochester is on a Saturday. So you'll get more vendors in and you're not competing with them and the fact that it's after a lot of the things that families do Sunday after Sunday early Sunday morning. So I think it's a great time. >> Thanks. >> I agree. I think it's a great idea. Thanks. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. So, I guess, you know, based on that feedback we've got, you know, I'll be in touch with you and, you know, we'll uh we'll work with Charlie and maybe Brandon, we can reach out to Mindot and see what their thoughts are. I mean, obviously they're they're using the one over in Byron. There must be a way to use some of that park and ride space, too. And, you know, I don't know. I think those are I mean, the three locations we talked about are the ones that kind of immediately came to mind to me was Park and Ride Veterans or possibly the school. I hadn't thought of that one, but >> that one just came on my head tonight when she started mentioning all the different training and I'm like, >> you know, the school's looking for involvement sometimes. Sure. They It's a prime spot, too. >> Yeah. >> If we choose the parking ride, make sure we give enough notice to people that, hey, we're doing this on these days so they know parking could be an issue on those Sundays just to >> make sure it's open and ready to go. >> Yeah. >> Our hope is to have some signage up once we get a location secured by like early spring so that it's up for a while, people recognize that it'll be there before we start toward probably towards end of May. >> Sure. >> All right. Well, thank you very much. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Thank you. [clears throat] All right. Since there's um mayor's report, I have nothing for tonight. Um next public forum. We have one card. Shannon Peters. Hi. Good evening, mayor and members of the city council. My name is Shannon Peters. I live at 6032nd Street Northwest here in Cassen. Um, I'm basically here tonight to ask for a greater financial clarity regarding that $1.3 million grant allocated for the ground solar project. Um, I do want to address um, thank you for the communication that I received from Tim on August 28th. Um, I felt it was a little condescending, but I do appreciate the response and that you are willing to put up a privacy fence. I cannot tell you how disappointed I am in the communication from the city council, from its members with the community. You all have my name, you have my phone number, you have my email address, you know where I live, but not one of you could come and knock on my door, u make a phone call and say, "Let's have a chat." I can guarantee you we would be having a whole different conversation. Um, if I'm that scary to approach to speak with, maybe you need to think about whether you want to be a council member because I am not that frightening to be quite honest. Um, I'm just here to say that the community deserves full transparency. Um, I'm here to demand the clear itemized public breakdown of that $1.3 million grant designated for the ground solar projects. The ground and solar initiatives are substantial infrastructure investments that deeply impact our local utility grid, land use, and public resources. As I said, I'm not against green energy, but when it's in my front yard, I have a little issue. And I agree, the grants are an excellent way to um pay for these projects. It's still public funds, and it's our community's tax dollars. The community has the right to know exactly where this money is going. We need an itemized ledger of what has been spent to date. You've already picked out the contractors, the terms of our grid interconnection agreements, and the exact road map of these ground solar installations. To ensure the public is fully informed, I am formally going to submit a public records request under the Minnesota Data Practices Act. And I'll be submitting this request to you, Tim, um, and the electrical, obviously, the Cassin Electric Department. Transparency shouldn't be this hard with the city here. I just ask that the council and the public utilities proactively provide a comprehensive update on the ground solar expenditures so all the residents can clearly see how you are managing our tax dollars. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. U next we have a public hearing. >> Right. including your package, you've got some information on a sidewalk extension. Uh we've got this uh it's been we had our first public hearing, I believe, in July. Is that right, Linda? >> And this is the second of a required set of two public hearings for that sidewalk extension. Um you know, I don't have a lot else to add to that. So, the council got any comments, >> any questions before we start? Okay. >> The one lot did end up putting the sidewalk in in Northwest. >> Yep. Looks nice. Appreciate that. did a nice job. >> And we were able to remove the other two that were on the list other than this one because the one did put it in the other one was sold for a home that's going to be going to be built there. So, >> council has no more. I will open the public hearing for the sidewalk extension. Anybody in the public want to come forward, talk, have any concerns, questions about the sidewalk that we're adding at what's the uh the address? Sorry. Uh let me see. >> Church of Jesus Christ. >> It'd be the Yes, it'd be the It'd be the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Saints on the northwest side. >> Okay. >> Off of Park View. Seeing none, I will close the public hearing. >> All right. Then including your packet, uh you have a resolution um that it's there that we would assess those cost uh to the property to be split out over the the period of time that's delineated >> and they they have time before >> they be able to prepay that if they chose to before uh >> November 15th. Otherwise, then it' be certified to the county for the for the process of assessment >> over 15 years. >> Yep, that's right. With an interest rate of 5.5% per. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> Council members, got any questions? I know this has been an ongoing project that we've been working on in the city. It's been >> five years. >> Five years. And there was multiple properties in the beginning. And over the time, people have stepped up and worked on getting their properties either sold the lots and built the house or working on building the house or putting in the sidewalks to match our ordinance. So, so it's the last property. So, I guess nobody's got any questions. I would take a motion to approve the resolution. >> I will adopting this assessment. >> I will make the motion to approve the assessment. >> Ryan, do we have a second? I'll second. >> Thank you, Mel. All in favor? I >> I >> Thank you. Uh, [sighs] do we have to Yeah. So, we've got a public hearing for this commercial plumbing ordinance tonight also. >> Um, so the folks from CMS let us know that one of their plumbers was certified to uh to meet the requirements of the code. So, that the when these plumbing well, you can read through it yourself, but it is pretty long when it comes through. Basically, right now, a lot of these plumbing reviews have to go to the state of Minnesota. So it does slow down that process. So they've been certified to fulfill that uh requirement. So basically us approving this would allow them to do those uh instead of having it go to the state. >> But it is it is a code change for us. So >> Sure. Anybody have any questions for Tim? >> Any cost additional cost occurrence to residents as they use that service or >> No, I don't anticipate any additional cost. They're already being charged the the plumbing fee for the inspection from the state. [clears throat] It could speed up the timeline. >> I I mean I would anticipate that was kind of what they had indicated to us is that it would speed things up significantly. Hopefully >> not 3 months probably. Council has no more. I will open the public hearing for commercial plumbing ordinance. Is there anybody in the public? Seeing none, I will close the public hearing. When if we approve this, how when would it go into effect? Right after tonight, >> as soon as >> publications y >> Okay. >> So, I would hope in October. October. >> We'll provide that ordinance to CMS so they know that they're able to to do that now. >> Okay. And the other question I have too, I get um we pass this. What if their employee no longer works there? Do we go back to the state? And >> yeah, I would anticipate that. >> I mean, these these things have to be inspected. So either the state does it state certified or it's a through CMS. >> Okay. That I just wanted to make sure that >> we weren't changing. >> Good question. >> And we can touch base with them too and ask him that. I think that's a good followup. I'd like to make sure on that so we don't have an issue and then we allow this and then all a sudden they're like, "Well, oh no." So, >> oh, absolutely. >> That would be my main concern. Um, would you need this tonight or could we wait for that answer from them? >> I think we wait for the answer for them. >> We'll have the next We'll have it by the next meeting. >> Okay. I I' I'd like that. >> No, it sounds good. and then we can have it published after that meeting and it'll be in effect then by October 1st. >> Okay, >> there. Any other questions anybody might have on council? Okay. All right. So, we will put that on the next meeting's agenda with the response from CMS. Okay. Committee report. See none tonight. old business number one the column bar I can't even say it >> colarium I'm sure um to follow up so we had present at the last meeting and Linda there were a few things that she wanted to follow up on the question was from council was related to the concrete costs >> and then I think to the crane costs I believe Linda is that correct >> yes and I got estimates on both >> so yeah if you look at that G1 that's in your drop box you can see that columbarium um the concrete foundation We had a quote um looks like u well first the crane is actually we were surprised it's it's a lot cheaper than you'd think actually if you can get them scheduled properly um you're looking at 260 an hour a twoour minimum so it' be potentially $500 for for a crane operator for that. Um and then I think she's got a second page in there and we did have a quote it was around uh just about $8,000 for that concrete. It would be an 8 inch thick 54 in circle uh with the sonot tube footers and then some sight work that would be done there too. So you're looking at about $8,500 for the concrete and for a crane on top of the the costs that were discussed previously at the previous meeting with the the calar >> and those costs would still come out of the cemetery fund. >> Um well since we subsume the cemetery fund and the general fund it would come out of the general fund. That's right. Do you remember off the top of your head what the price was for the >> Alamar? Oh, >> I don't remember off the top of my head. I thought maybe I didn't >> 6480 in the package. >> 64,870. >> Okay. So, that' be 64,800 plus the >> Yeah. So, you'd be looking right about, you know, >> 70 >> 73 73 74,000. >> Yeah. Okay. And then you had a price on each unit for >> we can we can um charge uh whatever we want for each unit and we can fit two sets of ashes in each. >> So you'd have up to 128. >> We could have up to 128 people souls in that colar. >> Okay. >> I wanted to make sure. So, >> I like that smile, Linda. She's She's just souls there. I like it. It's good. >> So, that that those were the questions I had last meeting. I was just wanted to verify that before we moved forward. I see that as uh an improvement and towards our cemetery if we got available lots sitting empty. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean between the ingground lots that we'll continue to have, but also this opens it up with with the cremations being a huge amount of the business, we feel like that is something continue to help keep that relatively solvent at least in that area. Otherwise, you know, there is a lot of maintenance and the nice thing about this is it'll reduce some maintenance too with mowing and things. >> Any concerns with having the crane on site? Any warranty or insurance issues at all? >> You know, I mean, I would anticipate that we have a bonded contractor and I don't I don't foresee a lot of issues with that. >> Hawinsons. Yeah, >> bonded. >> They are already bonded. >> Yeah, >> it's a sensitive area. >> Question, Paul? >> Yeah. Did um have people expressed interest in in having a place to store their remains like this? Is that what brought this on or is >> Well, I think this is a project that council's talked about on and off over the last two or three years. And I think the catalyst for us is do we want to do it or not? And if we don't want to do it, then you know we will lay on the table and as a staff we won't spend any more time on it, but we wanted to bring these prices to you just so you know. Um, as I said, you know, cremations are the biggest part of the business now. Um, so we do feel like it it would be useful to have at the cemetery. However, it is a want. It's not something that we absolutely would have to do. You know, in the fullness of time, we feel like it would it would be a break even investment in the property, but you know, it's it's not something we have to do. you know, it's a um you know, we're really proud of the cemetery and I think, you know, we're we're glad the mowers do such a good job keeping it up the last couple years, at least this last two years. You know, we've had a good um experience there and you know, it's part of keeping it beautiful and keeping it nice for folks there. But that's up to the council. Whatever you guys decide, you know, but if if we did choose to not proceed with it, then I think we would put this issue to bed for for a while. One thing citizens often times ask about is are we charging too much to where it costs more than what it needs to and if it doesn't it's just a break even like you mentioned Tim it's a good it's a good option to have for people in town. >> I mean I think you know we have to take a look at the pricing structure but I would expect that it would cost less to do cremations for us than it would to the burials. Obviously there's way less labor. That's the number one thing that we have is labor costs when somebody has to come and dig the grave. That's not a city employee. It's, you know, it's it's a private contractor and, you know, I know they increased their rates. A new person actually started for them this last year. So, >> we do break even on that. We charge the the customer as much as it costs. We're not making money on the cemetery. >> So, we're just breaking even um whenever we have a burial, call the digger. >> 124 more souls that can be buried in a town they grew up in or live in. Right. >> And we don't be losing eight spaces and we have plenty of of open spaces. We would put this right by the storage shed at the very front of the cemetery >> and it all comes out of the general fund. >> That's right. >> No increase to taxes for next year. >> No, >> it'd be funded out of this year's budget. Would this would construction be next year or would it still get done this year? >> We could if I can get um cement. That's that's the hardest part is finding somebody that can do the cement and um I've been trying to see if we can work with the people who are putting in the sidewalk. >> But um that's the biggest thing. We can get the calibarium here and the crane said that they can come. They only need a few days notice. >> Shel them know so hard is concrete contractors sometimes. I think it's there's still time. >> Yeah, I mean I think our goal would be to try and have it completed this year and if it doesn't it's the same thing with the sidewalks. We've Charlie could tell you we've run into a few hiccups with a couple of the sidewalk uh contractors that we're hoping to use. So that that's business is uh it's pretty busy right now. So, but yeah, the goal would be to try and complete it this year if possible. >> Any other questions or concerns? If >> not, I would look forward for a motion. >> I'll make a motion to proceed. >> Thank you, Mel. We have a motion to proceed. Do we have a second? >> Yeah, I'll second. >> Thank you, Paul. All in favor? >> I >> I should abstain. >> And Sheldon, one abstain. >> Thank you very much. >> Appreciate that. >> Next, we have our budget presentations. That's right. And I appreciate the staff being here tonight. So, first up, we've got uh Chief Hansen. Go in your packet. You've got a breakdown of his uh his budget request. And there's a couple different pieces to that. There's a um he's got some information from Axon as well as sort of a summary of that and then he's got his actual police budget and I'll I'll let him talk through that and if you have any questions for him that's that's one of the reasons he's here tonight. So So probably the biggest thing is the uh employee costs. So I'd like to add a half to 11.5 employees add half employee to uh overlap. We have an anticipated retirement and another officer that's just planning on moving on [clears throat] um going back to where he grew up. So I know that's going to happen. Uh next thing are just uh inflationary cost increases across the board. And then the biggest thing uh would be the new taser contract or axon contract which would include uh tasers last time. Uh we purchased them outright 35,000 paid paid it up front. Uh by contract is due for renewal. So we're trying to comi com combine our axon contracts into one. So, body cameras, uh, fleet cameras, and tasers all in one contract. So, if you look at that G2I, you can sort of see what uh Josh is talking about. And I think your 0.5 would be for possibly for Amy also. >> That'd be for Amy is anticipating she's going to retire in March. And then officers told me that he's planning on leaving in March, too. >> Sure. So, you can see that number there. The 25 budget for uh full-time was 94 um 946975 and then this year's budget would be 100 uh just over 1 million and then it'd be about a $90,000 increase um in that category. Um so you can see that's one of the larger lines that's uh that's seeing some growth there. Um one area that we are seeing some savings which is a fortunate thing is in workers compensation insurance. So that number has come down some from the peak of of uh back in 2025. Uh we saw a lot of spiking with those costs um due to some of the issues uh throughout the state with policing and things like that. So we're fortunate to see that come down. Um so anyway, >> would have you at 10 and a half or 11 and 12? >> 11 and a half employees. >> 11 and a2. Okay. >> How many officers? >> So 10 10 officers. 11 or one administrative assistant then a half overlap for primarily the administrative assistant for sure because I'd like to have uh the new person trained in by our current administrative assistant. >> When is our negotiations with the their union >> does that start? >> It has not started. Um >> will it be up this next fiscal year? >> No, it's scheduled their contract scheduled in this year. Moreover, um we received notice and that's actually included in your packet as item M2 that they are having a potential uh change in their union representation. So at this point in time, the two unions represent the police in Minnesota. Two of the biggest ones anyways, MPI and ALES are going to the Bureau of Mediation Services. So, uh we received notice that basically at this point, we can't do any negotiations or any discussion with any of the employees until that situation is clarified from the unions. Just trying to think of if we have to plan to budget any type of increase for that. >> We do have a a budget increase in their in their salary set um based on the pay study that we received last year. Um a lot of it will have to do with what staffing level you guys are planning on staffing the police department at. Um you know currently as the police chief mentioned he's he's asking for 11.5 employees um for his department. And we don't have to decide that tonight. It's just a matter of he's that's that's the the you know initial budget request from the police chief >> at in the current 2025. Was it 2025 we we ran with nine officers? >> That's correct. >> Yeah. >> And then we went to the 10 in >> 26. Yep. >> Do you know if the software program that you're using for ticketing is the county got that working properly? Yes, we just went live with that a couple weeks ago for ecitations. Yes. >> Because wasn't that something that they put on to us the beginning of 26 that they kind of wanted us to go to that system and >> Yes. And we have that's budgeted in here too, the contract increase for Pro Phoenix. Um but now the the East Citations is working. We were doing it manually for a while, but now it is working >> because it almost seemed like that was something the county forced on us per se. I mean, and then [clears throat] it didn't work. So, I kind of feel like that's yeah, a sore subject, but as long as it's working, that's Do you have questions about the Axon part? Um, I I think the Axon made a pretty good presentation there to kind of explain the costs and >> um I do have one cost on that. I see you got option A with a drone, option B without >> correct. What? Explain to me how that extra $13,000 for a drone. >> So, right now we utilize the county's drone program. This would start our own drone drone program. We have four officers that are interested in being operators, pilots. Um, so allow faster deployment instead of having to wait for the county to respond. So, primarily right now what we use the drone for, uh, barricaded subjects. Um, missing people is a big one. um get a lot of people that are uh dementia or autism that wander off. Um so that that would be the biggest use for it. And then this program, it's um a 10-year program and so you get a new drone every 30 months. You get to keep the old drone. Um about 5 years is kind of the life expectancy. So it would be about halfway through it life expectancy, but they're kind of like vehicles that still working, not using a lot, crashing it. um like you you keep on acquiring these drones where after um the 10-year period you you'd have four drones >> assuming that they all still work. >> Yeah. Right. Yes. Which at that point the first one's probably not going to be working anymore. >> What is the average response time from the county when you have had to have a drone? >> It all depends if they have somebody working or not. If they have an operator working. >> So that would be the same for us if you have four trained out of their nine and a half 10 and a half staff. It could be >> or it could be wait time. which that that would be a goal if if I have four staff members that want to be trained that we have them on opposite shifts. Yeah. So, we'd always have a drone operator on. And then it's just not the police department too. The electric department said there's some uses they could use it for. Uh the fire department. So, we we could use it for other things in the city too. >> So, so could we if you're going to use it in other departments, could we add part of that budget line to the other departments to help offset some of that cost? >> It's possible. You know, I'm just trying to >> I mean, it would be hard to determine exactly what percentage of time you would be utilizing. So, probably initially you would charge the entire cost to the >> the police department, but maybe over time you could say, "Okay, it's being used 10% of the time by electric or 10% of the time by by fire or something like that." >> Then you could you could sort of over time you could work those costs out. >> But who would who would operate it? >> It'd be our our operators. Let's unless they want to have someone want to be a pilot, too. But it it would the data the video feed would go right into our uh evidence.com which is part of Axon. So it just it integrates right into the system that we already have. >> So with that being the case is there is is there a requirement because the data is being fed into the police department system that the operator be a police officer. >> Oh no. >> Okay. Just double >> it's just if they if they need the video feed we could get that for them. >> Okay. Because I know they're a very strict >> Yeah. Yeah, we'd have to certain stuff has to be destroyed after it's not being used. So, >> and then uh your police officers that would be operating, they'd stay at the same level. It's no extra >> pay scale. >> Yes. >> Well, they they have contract negotiations. So, >> sure they haven't asked. >> I know it's not a budget line item and um Axon does not do flock cameras, but it's a hot topic right now. They do do outposts at about $3,000 a camera. Have you guys had any conversations about your thoughts on those? >> No, not not the not the mounting system. So, part of this too, we are looking to upgrade our fleet cameras to have the built-in ALPR in those cameras. So, it's already vehicles that we'd be stopping and and behind. So, it's >> we're already seeing the license plate. So, it's it's it's not at a fixed location. It's built into our cameras as we're making stops like instead of the cop having to run the the license plate is doing it automatically. Do you do we have to pay the county every time we use the drone? Do they charge us for that? There's no charge on that though. Okay. >> And they've been excellent to work with. They have >> Okay. >> several operators. So >> So it's if we didn't approve that, we'd still be okay for right now if they're doing a good job supporting us. >> Yes. Okay. >> That's 100% want right now. But it is the wave of the future. >> Yeah. Just with adding another officer in the last year and that budget going up so much and looking at our property tax increases for next year that's can be some money. >> Yeah. So >> the other part the taser adding new tasers that's our contracts up on that. So we >> Yeah like to do that. >> Yeah it makes sense. Yeah. Anybody else got any questions? >> All right. All right. Thank you. Up. Next, we have park and wreck supervisor and streets. Park and streets. My apologies. We'll we'll start off with uh I guess the quickest and easiest part, the streets and uh snow and ice. Uh so we'll have to we're making an increase for next year. Uh salt and sand keeps going up. Um and we have more trucks that are utilizing those things. Um and streets. We increased the budget a little bit for blacktop. We're going to keep trying to plug away and patching roads. Um and then parks. Uh, you know, we were fortunate enough to be able to do the Northeast modular. Um, came out fantastic. Um, and we're fortunate enough to be able to purchase a modular for the Northwest. Um, the soccer park. Um, I guess if you guys don't know, out by the Mormon church. Um, so we'll we'll get that purchased this year. That'll get installed next spring. Um, and we're going to do some updating to tot lot with another modular, a two to five year old modular. And then we have been fortunate enough also to be able to update some of our mowers for the park system and the storm. Um, we traded in uh a wide area mower. Um, they gave us quite a bit more than what we were expecting. I think it was 32,000 for it. Um, and we purchased a n 8 foot zeroturn um, which is more beneficial for us. And I'm working on trying to transfer us or transition us into gas mowers. Um, we've had nothing but problems with the diesel mowers. Um, and they're quite a bit more expensive. We spend 12,000 on a gas mower versus 25,000 on a diesel mower. Um, so next year I would like to add another gas mower, which we're budgeting for. Um, and I'm trying to add a bagging system for the grass, which is an additional $4,000. Um, we tried to utilize uh the old bagging systems from the diesel mowers. They just they're not compatible. Um, so we are looking to sell those, you know, once we start uh getting those gas mowers transitioned into our parked mowers. And then I guess uh with the pool, the pool's a big one. We're getting we're getting a little older on the pool now. Uh mechanical side of things, for the most part, we're okay. Um but things are starting to fail. Um the biggest one is the servicing of the pool. Um that's failing. We are working on some things to help limp us by in the meantime. Um trying some things to see if they work, if they don't work. Um but there's going to be some expenses with the pool coming up with the main one being the surfacing of the lab pool. Um, Steuartville did a resurfacing and it was a/4 million for their, but theirs is a whole one pool. So, with ours, you know, I'm not saying it's going to be a quarter million, but I'm not saying it's not. I mean, every year things go up. Um, but that's something we're going to have to look into. Um, there's some other odds and ends. You know, eventually I'd like to We had Newman Pool come down this year and do a full inspection of the maintenance side of things like our pumps and everything seems to be running fine. Uh they're coming back next spring to look at our heaters. That was, you know, that's been a huge topic the last couple years. Um essentially, we have new heaters cuz they've been both rebuilt. uh we just want to make sure that they're operating correctly and that we're not missing something on our side of things. Um with them being the ones that built the pool, they're going to know the most about it. So, um other than that, if you guys got questions, lay it on me. So, when they come to go through the maintenance of the heaters, is there going to be a staff member there? >> Yep. And they're going to be the staff member is going to be working. I'm I'm anticipating that they're going to be there training. >> Correct. So I will be there for sure and then our most senior person will be there. Our lead will be there so that we're both getting the information that we need in case there's something that we're doing wrong or you know whatever it may be. >> Yeah. I just wanted to make sure if we're going to [clears throat and cough] excuse me spend the money to have them come go through it that we are taking it as a training and taking notes. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. >> Moving forward so we don't have to have them unless it's an emergency. >> Yep. Okay. >> Anybody else got any questions staffing wise? Do we feel like we when I look at this? I think concessions versus staff a lot of our staff at the pool are concession workers. [snorts and clears throat] Not all of them they're they're lifeguards. Those are the vital pieces. Are we staffed appropriately for that concession area based on how much it brings in? >> I think, you know, this is with this being a new year, having a new manager, um, there's definitely some kinks that we need to work out. Um, whether we're overstaffed or understaffed, I I mean, obviously, I don't think we're understaffed by any means. Um, if anything, we're obviously overstaffed and I think that's things that we can work out, you know, for next year. Um, I haven't met with our new manager since we closed on the pool to kind of just see how the season went. Um, that's going to be a meeting for me and Tim and our new pool manager to kind of discuss like, hey, you know, what did you think or what did you see or what kind of things can we improve on? Um, can we, you know, send people home early or, you know, how do we staff that more efficiently >> as part of the park board? If I could be a part of that or if we could have them come to parkboard, that would be help. >> Yeah, that'd be absolutely. >> We did include some of the financials. U Sarah prepared those and those are in your packet. It's G2I also, just so you can kind of see where we're at. Now, that doesn't include all the maintenance spend that Ben's talking about yet, but does include the operations for the uh summer season. A few years ago, we we briefly discussed the the possibility or concept of a special a special taxing district for something such as this to fix the pool. Is that something we could revisit and see if we could do something like that? >> Well, I know we discussed uh like a um a local option sales tax if that's what you're kind of referring to. I think the issue with the aquatic center is that those typically have to be utilized for um something that has regional significance. Now, you could make an argument that it does serve multiple communities. You know, if Dodge Center and Byron didn't have pools, then I think it'd be relatively easy to make the argument. >> We did service Byron res. >> We did this year. I think they're planning on being open next year again. However, if if they were to choose to do something else, I think we can make that argument. Otherwise, I think they're, you know, obviously it's up to legislature. >> They did not they did not allow any local option sales tax at all this year again. So, they they voted those all down. So, it's it's possible that, you know, obviously that have to be voted on by the public. >> Yeah. Um, so I I don't know if that would qualify or not. That would have to be something we could do some research on. We'd have to be guided by our legislative u representatives as well and what they'd be willing to because they have to carry the bill at the state house and the state senate too. So, um, but I mean it is it is an interesting concept. I know you've brought up in the past, you know, the possibility of doing a larger project with possibly ball fields or something like that. That might be a easier cell in some ways to have the regional significance. >> Okay. Just one note on your meeting with your manager. Just remember this year we had different circumstances of far as Byron was coming here more. >> Yep. >> Um the it's a lot warmer summer as everybody has noticed. So those you got to take in consideration. And then when you're looking at staff and sending them home, >> just remember that some of these kids are getting rides. So if you're scheduling them, you want to make sure you're being fair on before you send them. you know, those things you can look at. Otherwise, those will be the ones that aren't going to apply for your next year and then you could be short >> staff. I I will say, you know, with with the assistant managers we [snorts] had this year, they were very transparent with me and they were very transparent with the staff about they would ask who wants to go home. Just just being aware that, you know, if you live close, hey, you you might need to come back if we get a mad rush. Uh so that that was good. And then I I hope that that continues. >> Um we we do lose a lot of assistant managers this year. Um and that were very good and very helpful and very [snorts] you know proactive with a new manager. So I hope that you know keeps turn the turnover is the same. >> Um but I yes I agree with that. >> Okay. >> I know a lot of our staff that started concessions eventually do move into that lifeguard phase. So when I ask that question, I still recognize that that's a big way for us to retain staff at the pool is you they start there and they move their way up. >> And I do, you know, that is kind of one of my questions when I do interview uh concession kids. Uh a lot of them it's siblings or friends that they hear about the position >> and I do ask them I, you know, do you have any, you know, desire to be a lifeguard? I'd say 90% or yeah, I want to work my way up, which is, you know, a great thing to hear. Um, thankfully with me being in my position or as long as I've been in my position, I have not had a staffing issue where I've talked to some of these surrounding areas where they struggle with lifeguards. So, we we've been very fortunate and it's been a very, you know, enjoyable place for these kids to work from what I've been told. So, I'm going to move to a whole different subject. I'm going to move into streets. >> Yep. >> Are you guys prepared for a winter if your road grader goes down? Have you looked at options? >> So, we've been actively looking at used graders. Now, we're going to ride this one out till we can't ride it out anymore. Um, and if for some reason it happens to go out during the winter, we're going to look at, you know, leasing a a grater for the the months that we need it. Um, it's it's kind of one of those niche items that we got to if we find something, we got to jump on it. >> Um, it's just hard hard to find something, you know, at that point used um that's that's for winter. Well, because my other question far as that, >> Yep. >> instead of a grater with your new dump you got this year with the belly plow, is that something that you could look for in the future to replace the grater with that downward blade? Plus, you'd be carrying the sand. >> I would I would definitely agree with that. If we could get another dump truck down the road with a bellyb blade, that's h that's hands down been the best addition that we've had to the snow fleet >> cuz I mean that would be a cheaper in the long run versus trying to get a grater from way I hear that >> you can't buy a new one cuz for the little you use it and anytime you want a used one anyone that's out there according to what I've heard if it's good it's gone before you see it and >> if it's a good price. It's there's a reason cuz it's worn out and it's going to be like the one we've got now. >> And and I'll be, you know, I'll be realistic with you. If to be able to keep one graater for our fleet would be fantastic. Um I understand that we don't use them year round. Um but they are very vital to our plowing system, but to maybe add another dump truck with a belly blade, that would be fantastic. Um those are the unfortunate thing is to we have to buy a new >> you can't find a used dump truck with a belly blade that is you know going to last. Um we've had you know our dump trucks are in good shape. They look nice, but they are starting to see that wear and tear. Um and unfortunately an ' 07 dump truck we're having nothing but problems with trying to keep it on the road and fixed. Mhm. >> Um, but I I don't have a problem with, you know, adding another dump truck to the fleet once that greater has seen its time. >> Well, cuz what's the timeline to get a dump truck? That's why >> this one took 3 years. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, you see, that's why I'm asking now. >> It has gotten better and of course, you know, they there are new um deaf standards. Um, so the I can't I don't remember off the top of my head, but if we were to order one, we need to order it sooner than later before those deaf standards become not optional. It's uh have to, right? So, I guess I would put it to you to come back just for future use to come back with a price and a greater versus that dump and the timeline and the option of which is going to outdo the other just so we have something to look at as a council for future. >> Absolutely. >> I know it's not this year's budget by any means, but >> I'd like to be proactive and thinking ahead. >> Absolutely. Anybody got any other questions? >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Included in your package, you've also got the uh budget request from the fire department. Uh just a couple things to highlight there. Um and you can you can kind of read what uh the fire chief's got there for yourself. My recommendation, he's requesting $5,000 to assist with events for their 150th anniversary. Um, my recommendation would be to to not fund that, but that we would look when they actually have their costs if you chose to at, for example, next year if they do have a cost for something, an actual cost, we would look at then potentially if we wanted to donate and we could use liquor store funds to help fund that then at that time. I mean, it's hard for me to say, "Here's $5,000. I don't know what you're going to use it for. You don't know what you're going to use it for." I think it'd be better for us to see what an actual need is. if, for example, he talks about um, you know, doing some uh, a family fun day for their anniversary, which sounds great to me. Don't have a problem with it. I just think it'd be nice if they said, "Hey, it's we need extra 1,500 bucks." Then I think that's what we would want to donate as opposed to budgeting 5,000 that we don't know it's going to be used for. >> Well, and on that note, I also [clears throat] like the option of they have the fire relief association which has gambling. I mean, that that's there to support the fire department, >> right? And to me that was a good option if they have it in there. And I >> So do we know how much they have currently in their >> 77,000 the report from last night it was 77,000 I think wasn't it Linda? >> So taking 5,000 out of their gambling funds to >> shouldn't impact anything too much >> back then versus fund balance. That's their fire relief associate. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't have a problem, like I said, if we if you as a council decide to to to donate towards it, I think that's fine. But I just think we we wait till we know what the actual numbers are before we would do anything. Um, as far as the chief's pay, the uh the current pay is 6,000. So, there is a that is a large jump. What the mayor is recommending is that uh we look at adding um Chief Fitch to the to a pay scale which would then have a regular steps and then there would be a cola applied as opposed to last year we looked at a he asked for a similar increase to the the pay line. Um I think we you're estimating 3% this year I think was what we're expecting. >> So that that's the recommendation from the the mayor is to put him on a pay scale, chief's pay scale. It'll be separate from all the other pay scales. Um, but it would be one where it's a regular increase and we don't have to necessarily talk about these larger jumps every year. I think that makes some sense as well. >> And and then it there's a guideline for future where people know what's coming and cuz I know for the first 9 10 years that he was the chief, he stay at one pay >> and then we upped him last year, but now I'm looking at more of a gradual increase. He's in we've increased his officers. So, he has more admin officers now to help. So, >> are there any other questions on anything he's got in there? >> We come back to the office or pay for him later. I think that we've asked multiple times to see what specific calls he's going on, >> right? >> What what additional rules justify that. We know he's putting a lot of time. It's it's a hard position. I don't question that. We've sat in interviews with them and heard how much it goes on. But I think showing the public and showing us at council, this is why I justify it. Anyone that would ask for a raise of that nature would want to justify why they're getting that. Yeah. And some of that information hasn't been provided to us yet. Um, but he also mentions their uh FOB system. He's going to he's told us he's going to get some estimates on that for the building, which doesn't necessarily sound like a bad thing. It could be very useful for them, a little faster access. Um the other thing would be adding a line for some turnout gear for pagers and radios. Um you know he mentions he got some more information to us on that. So um obviously we're waiting on a little bit more information before we make final decision. But thankfully this is our preliminary you know meeting tonight and we'll have another meeting in two weeks and then we we have plenty of time this fall to discuss those in more detail. >> I was looking at line item 210 operating the increase of 200 for computers and tech equipment. What uh what what are they personal computers are they using at the fire department that >> you know I'm not sure that'd be a question to ask to ask Joe. >> I would like to know. >> Sure. >> You know just make sure because I don't know if everybody needs a computer there. I'd like to that's a question you could ask him that. >> Sure. Well I can you know if there's questions for Joy certainly ask him to come and present in more detail on some of these items too if that's what you'd like. I just saw that >> when we built that fire station and they moved in there, did we not furnish it with brand new stuff? >> Um, I mean certain furnishings obviously there were chairs and tables and things like that. I'm not sure about laptops. I'm guessing probably not. Some of that stuff should have been brought over from their previous building. I think you know and there may have been some cost savings. I mean I think we anticipated them bringing over as many items as possible. Okay. >> So it's possible they do need some replacement computers. I don't have a problem with that but we can get some more details from him on that. >> I'd just like to make sure. Sure. >> We're getting the right stuff and not >> Yeah. >> Does anybody got any other questions? And if you do think it's more things, you know, any of the budget items, feel free to send them to Tim. >> Yeah. And that's number four on your list here. We do have the clear doc budget in there as well as online. Um so, you know, if there's any questions about anything, you know, certainly we're we're glad to uh sit down with you. know Sarah and I both are um to to chat with people about it and appreciate all the questions we do get on it. We plan on having that preliminary uh levy hearing at our next meeting on the 23rd of September. So, um next item G5 is the Carter Blaine purchase agreement. >> Sure. As discussed uh previously with the council, um Mr. Blaine has offered to sell that parcel uh that's to the west of Lions Park to have a park edition potentially. Um so included here you have a signed purse agreement. Um I believe the city attorneys reviewed that and had a few changes that were incorporated into the one that's been loaded into your packet. Um so uh staff would be looking for direction on moving forward with that purse agreement approval for $45,000 for the uh I think it's uh a little over three acres. >> Three quarter. >> Yeah. Okay. I will say this will be a great addition to our Lions Park. Um, in talking with some individuals that that use the discourse area, there's already groups that are planning to host big events when we complete that. So, Yan's done a lot of work with that and I appreciate that. On the parkboard side of it, I think it's going to be a great new resource and it's going to bring in people into town which will help our businesses grow hopefully. So, I think this is a good thing. >> We got any questions on this? >> Not. I guess I would take a motion to approve the purchase agreement. >> I'll make the motion to approve. >> Thank you, Ryan. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Thank you, Sheldon. All in favor? >> I oppose. Thank you. Um, new business. There's none. administrator's report. >> Sure. [clears throat] All right. Couple things to highlight. Um you can see there the LMC board has approved a preliminary dues increase of 4%. Um those numbers will be finalized before the end of the year. Um but that's a not to exceed. So that's the budget number we're going to work with. Um banking services proposal. Uh under my report you can see an RFP which has been provided to banks in our local area. Um, we've continued to face some issues with customer service at our current bank. Um, and we're looking at uh alternative options. There's no guarantee that we would switch, but we'd like to see what other options are out there. Uh, we've spoken with uh we'd also like to remain in our service area. So, Cass and Manville area would be where we'd like to stay. We prefer to do the banking locally. Um, so that's kind of where we're looking. Um, so we anticipate this process to take uh, you know, potentially another two or three months. Uh we've got um the proposals are due at the end of the month back. The RFPs are due back from the uh the banks and then we will review those and I think Sarah and I will try and have a recommendation for council. Um if you're interested in in reviewing any of those um you certainly um we can provide that to you or if you can you can join us for a bank presentation. Um if you're interested I don't know. It's it's very interesting stuff. Sarah really enjoys digging into it. Uh but I think that uh we're hoping that it'll be a little bit uh better process for us at the end of time. Do >> do you know how many local banks you send it to? >> Three. >> Three. >> We've talked with three. Yep. >> Not including Old National. So um just some updates from Compass. Uh they've got their annual meeting coming up. Uh Jared's going to be attending. I will be out of the office that day. Um they have had a positive budget year so far. So that's positive. Should be hopefully relatively flat. We don't anticipate a lot of additional costs for next year's budget. Um, you know, they're they're doing well. We're uh we're adding some staff there, too, to help with billing. Um, some new laws out there on HOAs and common interest communities. The state's created some new regulations on that. Um, we had the mayor and I had a good meeting with the uh the folks from the county to discuss that ice arena joint powers board. Um, I think we're going to have a stakeholder meeting later this fall to try and bring everyone to the table and have some more discussions on that. So, I think it's uh it was a good meeting, positive meeting. And >> on one item, too, I just going to ask council for their opinion. The county did want to know, the contract stated that we we would finish December 31st, but they wanted to know if we would stay with the current agreement while we're working on changing it through the end of the hockey season. So, so that way you know >> through end of the high school hockey season. >> Through the high school hockey. >> Yeah. Basically, we're looking like May 1st or May 15th. We were I mean we we gave them relatively informative answer on that was we want to support that at least through the end of the season before there's any changes. >> State hockeyy's in March and >> Right. >> But I just like >> hockey is year round just like any other sport now. So >> Sure. But >> yeah, they were thinking like May >> May 1. Yeah. Yeah. >> So I mean I don't think we had any objections to it ourselves but >> as long as there's a firm date, >> right? >> Yeah. Okay, >> good point. >> I wanted to make sure I verified that. >> Yeah. Um, and then just a few other things in there. I've got the the budget and levy. Um, as you can see, you know, public safety makes up uh a substantial amount of the budget, 63% of our general fund. Um, so, you know, we anticipate as we go through, we'll have more uh discussion at our our levy hearing next um next meeting. Any questions on my report? Otherwise, I've got that banking services uh RFP in there. I've also got a service and maintenance agreement. Uh the the folks from the city of Canyon came to us and noted that they have a couple of employees in their electric system who are going to be out uh potentially. One is having knee surgery and they're looking for us to provide some mutual aid to them, which uh typically emergency mutual aid, we wouldn't have any issues, we would do that. That's just uh part of our MUA agreement. However, if it's in a structured agreement like this where we might be providing staff for, you know, a full day or something like that, we want to have it structured so that um basically we're protected workers comp and that sort of thing. So, that's why we've got this agreement included in your packet just to review if there's any questions for anyone. >> Have they they seem agreeable to the pricing? >> You know, they haven't gotten back to me on I just Okay. Okay. >> Running up the flag pole tonight to let you know that's that's what we're looking at because we want to make sure that uh there wouldn't be any issues with the and I know I've talked to Jared and to the the staff there too. We have a small department. So, we want to make sure that obviously our residents and our our service comes first and that's noted here in [clears throat] the in the contract. So, if we provide any mutual aid support, it will be um you know, it'll be charged out to to Kenyon. >> That's all I've got for tonight. Okay. Next we have engineers report. >> Nothing for you. >> Any questions on anything? >> Oh, I see 16th Street is open and people are using it. >> Did we have to clean that up or did uh did they clean that up? The weeds. >> They did. >> They did good. I know. I wanted them to. So, it was kind of a mess when they first opened it. So, that's great. It looks really sharp up there. They put the road close signs up so people don't drive through 16th thinking that it keeps going to the gun club road anymore. >> And note that those trails are open also up there. And that is pretty neat now that it hooks through and it goes all the way down. >> We have a project scheduled for are we doing that next year for the trail extension into veterans or not? Or is that in 27 or 28? >> We have to have a plan for 28. >> 28. Okay. >> Continue that trail to the south to essentially park. >> Right. Give us access into a veterans park. Southwest is going to be done this year. >> I think they're bowed. >> Yeah, they're bowed off. So, we're expecting the final lift basketball to go down here shortly. So, >> that'd be great. Yeah. Get that one done for you. Try another one. So, all right. Well, thank you, Brandon. >> Uh personnel promotion of Lindsay. It's in if you see the the fire chief is put in there, he's looking to promote Lindsay from lieutenant to captain. Effective September 1st, she would be replacing Captain Miller who went to become deputy chief Miller. >> To her credit, Lindsay came and did a presentation at the school on u choking hazards and all kind. It was the most entertaining and educational thing that we had. I think >> she did a good job >> in our teacher workday stuff. So, kudos to her for actually keeping us all interested and focused. She was excellent. >> She really was. >> I sit on the fire relief association and she's on that board. And in my opinion, I think she's one of the hardest working members of that fire department, at least when it comes down to following through. And I almost think she takes on more than she should, but she seems to do just fine with Yeah, she is. I think she'd be a great asset moving her up to the captain's position. >> So, I would take a motion to approve. >> I'll make the motion. >> No. Do we have a second? >> Second, >> Ryan. All in favor? >> I post. Thank you. >> Let them know that. >> Um before we do the close session, there's just some correspondence under M. if anybody wants any questions on that. >> Not in the correspondence, but I know next meeting we're going to have our roundt discussion. I thought I would present it now. I talked to Tim and Dan a little bit earlier about, you know, we see a lot of concerned citizens. I know Shannon, you brought some things up the last couple meetings. We see it online. One thing I was researching is some smaller cities and municipalities do sessions of training for their citizens. Hey, this is what your water bill looks like. this is why it costs what it does. Here's how the water treatment actually takes in water and does what it does so that you know where your costs go. Here's how much your electric bill costs. Here's what it why it breaks down the way it does. Here's how our electric department works. And maybe each of us want to do some type of a research before the next round table to see if that's something we'd be interested in to provide to our citizens so that they have a better understanding of where do their tax dollars go. There there's a lot of things going on right now. There's the school district's asking for an operating levy. We're looking at our budget, but people sometimes combine them and don't understand how they're different and why they're different and where their taxes are actually going. Is there a way to help them understand that better so that they feel more prepared when it comes time to pay their bills and they understand why we take money from certain areas, from the electrical, from water, from sewer, so they feel more confident in what we're doing and we can keep supporting them. I always think about if we're going to have a problem, what's the solution? I say that in my class all the time. We have concerned citizens. We see it on Facebook. We see it here. Is there something we can do to to give the opportunity to teach them? Whether they show up or not, I can't control that. But if we provide an opportunity for learning and then people show up, more will keep coming. If they don't, we still we still can say we offered something to teach people. I mean, we've talked about a lot of things that have come up online. We talk about them over multiple meetings. It's online. We we post the videos. We try our best, but is there something more we could try to do that would be cost ineffective, but also would teach the citizens, hey, this is why your water bill the way it is. We took fourth grade parents years ago to the water treatment plant in Rochester. And so many of them said, "Wow, that's how much it takes to get the water from your house back into the Zumbro River. They didn't realize that how much it takes and what they actually have to do." Those people are specialized in their jobs. They work hard. They're professionals. And we respect that and we want other people to understand what their role is and why does it cost the way it costs for those things. And if we give people the opportunity, at least we said we tried. And if if nothing else, if you have the training sessions, they can be recorded as well >> and put on to YouTube or on city council page or various inundry places that people are able to access them when they do have questions and maybe be able to get an answer quickly and then if they need more information, they can contact afterwards. >> And I'm not saying it has to happen right away, but maybe we have that conversation about what we think would could work work with our staff and maybe that's something we try to roll out in 2027. And it's something we think could help people better understand the why behind their bill. >> Yeah. Cuz sometimes when we do an increase, people don't always see that that's for current, but also for future projects that we're planning ahead. As you know, there's plenty of future projects out. >> We discuss that kind of thing a lot in meetings, particularly when we have presentations about upcoming projects. So they're explained well at those, but folks don't necessarily have the time to be able to show up to every single meeting. >> Just something I want us to think about as a council for round table. I want to give you advanced notice so you don't feel like you see it in two Fridays from now and you're like, "Oh, that's coming up in 3 days. I got to look it up over the weekend." Just some thoughts I've had that I I I hear people, but I also want to try to help find a solution. We >> could definitely add that to a round table. If there's any other round table items, uh, feel free to let me know. >> And there was one thing I'll sneak back towards engineers. um in in some time if you could look back and see how much state money we've gotten for like local trails and local roads and roundabout just kind of a ballpark where you look up so we could just show how much we've gotten from state and federal that offset these projects that we didn't have to take out of I mean yes it's still our tax but we're taking it and bringing it back here. It's money that if we didn't have some other city might have, but it's just how much we can save. >> Yeah, we I I actually do have that number. She did an internal companywide presentation and then um we did post something on the city's uh Facebook page about 16th Street specifically which is a good chunk of that change um and improvements that we did. 16th Street going east over to the Dodge County Roadabout at the high school and then 16th Street over to the dump road there. So we got a fair amount of money to build those facilities. So and then some other trail projects we got too. So we can get that together. It's not a problem. Yeah, I think that just goes along with the same line that Ryan's got. So, I thank you with that. Uh, we will be having a close session. Before I close session, anybody's in audience is more than welcome to stay outside or we have a room over here. If not, I appreciate you for coming out tonight. See you later. Hey, we're number two on your fancy shirt. Number two, I like looking at that