Well, we might as well get going here. All right, welcome everybody. Um, Cass and Park Board, Tuesday, September 15th, call order. Has everybody got a chance to look at the minutes from last month? Any questions? Any changes? Any >> from two months ago? >> Two months. >> Yeah. I I make a motion to approve. >> Okay. Got a motion. How about a second? >> Second. >> Motion a second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Okay. New business public speaking parameters. All right. So, I wrote up a little thing. So, when we get visitors, and this can be changed because it's just something that I started out. When we get visitors to the board, I'll I'll read this or we can have it printed on this like city council does, but however we we choose to do that. Um, this section is limited to 15 minutes unless a board member requests a longer session with a second. The speaker will be limited to five minutes for speaking. Speaker will be required to state their name and address and the speaker is required to stand in front of the board. Can we tell them they have to stand >> or they physically can't? >> Speaker is required to stand if >> physically possible >> physic physically possible >> to approach the boardach >> or the committee. So then that gives us uh 10 minutes for discussion, conversation, correspondence. I like I like your suggestions. One thing I always think about is how does council run their open conversations? We do visitors to the council. So then we know ahead of time that someone's coming with information and we have that information. So if they're a visitor to Park Board, we know ahead of time what they're coming for. Is it youth baseball? Is it soccer? Are they asking for a field? Are they looking for grants? We know ahead of time. Then we can have that open discussion with them. And then we don't really have to have any rules about how we conversate. But if it's a visit, if it's a if it's public input, they get their four minutes. But we don't necessarily we don't as council talk back to them because we don't have the information. It's often times they're just here to vent. Like for example, the last meeting when the Lions Club or was it Lions or the Legion came and talked about their gambling that to me it wasn't on the agenda. Caught me a little off guard. if they're on the agenda as a visitor to the council, well then we have it in our in our meeting notes so we know ahead of time what's going to come to us so we can be prepared to talk to them. But if it's just to come to share a complaint about the messiness of the park or wanting another pickle ball court and we don't know they're coming to talk about it, it allows us not to speak out of turn. It makes sure that we don't say something that we're not supposed to because I probably spoke out of turn last time. I I don't know. tried not to, but it helps avoid those situations. It protects us as a group, but it also tells that person, hey, we want to help you, but you need to get on the agenda ahead of time so we know what you're bringing to us so that we can bring solutions because often times people come with problems and they're looking for solutions. It's hard to come up with a solution on the spot. We want to be cognizant of their concern. And maybe we institute the same. If you want to come and speak and you want us to conversate with you, you need to be in our agenda by the time we get that email the Friday before visit the council. If you're just coming to share a concern, we might not speak back to you and that's just general public public input. So if if either route's fine with me, but then it then we avoid having to worry about we I'd like to be prepared if someone shows up whether whether they tell us ahead of time or not. I want to know so I can be prepared to answer their questions. So maybe we make them visitors to council instead of just a public input. >> So do we, you know, do we just put a spot in the agenda for public >> in >> public input or public speaking just on a normal basis whether people show up or not? >> Yeah, I would put it in between your approval of your minutes and your new business. put visitors to the council and put public input and have the same cards that we use at city council. I mean, you filled them out, right? They're not hard to fill out and then that just gives you an open mic to say what you want, but then it protects us on our end where we don't we don't have to speak back during that time. We can bring it back at the next meeting if we if it's something that's a big enough concern. We can bring it back at the next meeting. Then we at least have some time to think about it and to give a a constructive response. So, we've had some great individuals come talk about life jackets at the park, >> at the pool, excuse me. We've had a lot of great individuals that come in ahead of time and let us know. That helps us prepare. That could be your visitors to the council. >> So, do we want to take >> So, we want to take if it's just a um unregistered, they just walk in as a visitor. >> If it's a public, >> do we a public? Do we want to limit that to like four minutes? >> That's what city council does. And then if they do let us know in advance and they do get on there, that's when they 15 minutes >> and we don't have a time limit for visitors to the council because they've had they have sent us a packet. They've sent us what they need. It might take them more than 10 minutes to present. Depends on what it is. >> But at least then we we know, hey, we're going to have this conversation. We all can come prepared. Oh, okay. That youth soccer wants a new soccer field at this place. gives you time to plan instead of putting you on the spot. >> Yeah. So the the I guess the lack of better terms, so the unannounced visitors or public visitation, what do we want to limit that to? >> Four minutes just like city council. >> Okay. And then um >> and we're cons >> with a planned visit. >> So visitors to the council. >> Okay. Okay. >> It'd be like the south post >> or visitors to park board >> or the life jacket. Like we knew they were she was coming and and going to plan something. >> So, we're going to do like the 15minute total >> with with that. >> We could put it we could put a time limit on if we want. That's up to the the park board. But I think if we follow at least the outline of the city council, it might be easier for someone that wants to come in because they've seen the council videos or they've been to council so they they're used to it. If we have different rules and procedures for our meetings versus city council, it might get confusing for people, >> it might just be easier and protect us a little bit just to follow the same pattern. >> I'm I'm okay with following, you know, I I'd rather just keep it simple. >> Yeah. >> Um I I think, you know, if if we have a open to the public discussion, keep it to four minutes, you know, that's fine. um a planned planned one. You know, I I don't necessarily want to leave it open. >> Last time we talked that might be 15 minutes, but then we can decide >> if we want to extend that. >> Y if I if I'd say anything to it, I would say uh uh when they request to come before the board, uh have them request a certain amount of time. That's fair. >> Can I have 10 minutes of the board? That way, people actually put together a presentation rather than just come in and just start rambling. You know, if you know, I've got 10 minutes, then hopefully you have compacted everything you're going to say into what you said you're going to take. >> Um, >> and then you have to provide the information to park board prior to the meeting. So, when the agenda comes out to us, it's in there. If you didn't get on the agenda, you got to wait till next month. You can still come to public input. It's just we're not gonna talk back because we didn't get time. >> Is there a timer that's visual? >> Uh, no. Um, I don't think we've ever had to use one. >> I mean, honestly, I think if we look up at the clock and just do a best guess, >> you could turn I could turn my computer around, click Google, set a timer, four minutes. >> It's more as the presenters are presenting, they you know, they should have something >> clock on this wall >> for them to see what they have. I think you see that in situations where you've got enough constituents that come >> I I think I think I mean I get where you're coming from but I think if we down the road if we for some reason see a huge influx of public >> and and time and and if they keep going on and on it's like yeah it's just a matter of somebody saying you know you're at the halfway mark >> and it's easier to just when the card comes when you start public input just as a reminder you have for about four minutes to speak. If you go over, we'll be kind. If it gets too long, over four, we're going to let you know. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> Say thank you and move on. Cuz you might not have anybody show up like today. Then you don't have to say it, >> right? >> Put it in the notes just like city council does. You got four minutes to speak. Okay. >> Remind them when they step up to the podium. >> I'd say just keep it consistent with city council. And then if you want to add the add the timeline, I like that cuz then we know what we're in for too. Well, you know, if we're gonna be here till 7:30. >> And that's just it. You could have five people lined up. >> Yeah. >> Two months from now or a month from now and go, okay, there's going to be and they all, you know, get old Ashley and say, "I want to speak." That could be, you know, there's an hour just listening. >> Well, if they're different things, they're different things. But if it's all the same, then you cut it off. Yeah. >> Okay. I agree. >> Not to discourage, right? I liked your idea. I just >> still have that still have that in. If if a member requests a longer session, then we just have a second. >> If we're still talking, we're still talking. >> That's fine. >> Great. All right. You were right there. >> Do we need to vote on that? >> Yes, [laughter] but we need to vote on it. I know, but I'm sitting here waiting to see if uh >> So, I would make a motion to adopt the same >> parliamentary rules that we follow at city council with park board having a visitors to the council >> that have to reach out to the park board prior to the meeting be in our agenda notes before >> a certain time frame that Friday before the meeting so we have time to look at it and then public input where they can fill out the comment card and speak for up to four minutes. Okay, we have a motion. >> I'll second. >> Have a motion, a second. Any more discussion? All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Anybody oppose? >> Okay. Pass. >> I'm just surprised it took us that long to >> Ashley's got it. >> Decide that. You don't like I'm had this. >> We've never really come up with >> Yes. years ago. Not not not now, but >> but I don't think even Greg at the time the pool was going on, you really never had issues with people just coming up. >> No, because because it was, you know, we always sat back. We're willing to listen because we're learning, you know, so I don't want to try to cut somebody off because you're out of time, >> right? And that's not the purpose. But if they come prepared, you know, we're willing to listen and most of the time we just, you know, table it to the following meeting so we can get more information on before we make decisions. But >> it'll help us be more prepared. >> Yep. Just preparing for what may not happen. So, >> okay. >> Great guys. Thanks. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. >> All right. Uh gas and aquatics and uh >> um obviously first on there's life jackets. I think we should just get a decision made tonight. Um, if if if everyone's comfortable with it, I think we need to just get this tackled and be done with it. Um, I'm not opposed to the life jacket policy. I'm not opposed to open discussion on life jacket policy, trying something new. Um, I just I want to try to appease the community, but at the same time, I want to make sure that our lifeguards are okay with our decision because ultimately they're the ones that are on duty. Um, obviously, uh, for the life of me, can't remember the gal's name that came and spoke. She, I mean, she was prepared and she had a lot of good information. Um, maybe we try it and see what happens. >> So, here's my thing. I'm a poor swimmer, okay? You know, I would be in favor of the life jacket because like I said, for those that hadn't heard, I I took every session twice and never got out of the three-foot side of the pool or barely into the 4 foot over in Dodd Center when they had it. So, eventually I just I was an edge hugger. Okay. To this day, I probably still am. So, um, monkey crawl. >> So, just from the side of safety things, I don't want to take one person to say, "Why can't we?" and then have something happen. I'm sure the lifeguards, in my opinion, would be able to adjust. >> I don't think it's somewhere else and everybody's going to be bringing life jackets. It's just a little bit of extra the learning. >> Yep. >> You know, making sure it's the proper life jacket and it fits the kid. you know, have the lifeguard pull them aside with the parents and say, "Let's just make sure this is proper." So, that's just my opinion. >> You know, I think um I think David did a really good job right off the bat by implementing the the swim test, you know, to make sure that kids are capable of swimming and and not needing a life jacket. Um it sound like it went over very well for the most part. I know, you know, during busy times it gets tough to try to do all that testing, but I have no problem with the life jackets. Obviously, we got to set the rules of, you know, no diving board, no water slides. Um, I'm I'm more than happy to try this for the 2027 year. Um, and we'll just have to make adjustments as we go if we decide to move forward with it. What >> about no life jackets on the deep end? You want a life jacket on the non-de. Great. >> Then then you don't have kids swimming in the part of the pool they shouldn't be in. >> Right. >> So, let's think about that a little bit. So, we're saying no no no diving boards. >> Yep. >> And the climbing wall, >> no climbing wall would probably be added to that, too. >> So, the so the deep pool along on the other side of the ropes is off off limits. Y >> So, the rest of that pool is up to five feet or so. So, a lot of kids would still benefit from a lifeguard in that pool if they were in that pool. So, so what would be considered the deep end? Is it just life uh life jackets in the shallower pool or >> Well, I think I think we would allow life jackets. I guess with that being said, we'd allow life jackets anywhere in the pool other than where the diving board is cut off, the the rock walls cut off. So, essentially anything that's, you know, 10 ft or you know what I mean, as it gradually slopes. I guess that also makes sense because we're declaring that an adult be >> they obviously can't touch in that area. So they Yeah. So >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Well, that should give the kids with the life jacks is little incentive to learn how to swim so they can >> be with their friends that are over on the diving board in the climbing wall and stuff. So Matthew, you got anything? This isn't necessarily related to the life jackets directly, but the [snorts] swim tests, if they continue those next year. >> Um, well, guess that doesn't matter. You only need a swim test if you're going in the deep end >> without a life jacket. >> So, yeah, >> doing a swim test with a life jacket is not a situation. >> No, you got to do it without the life jacket. >> Yeah, >> I do support the idea of having life jackets or at least having the option to have a life jacket. Okay. >> Um, like over the time I was thinking about all the arguments that were said in the previous meeting and all of them are really good. Um, uh, like some life jackets might not be the best suit for somebody and all that stuff, but I think if we have like life guards check them every so often, that should be fine. So >> yeah, I think I think we'll still stick to the standard of Coast Guard approved life jackets. >> Um unless you know designated for someone who needs different assistance. Will we how we need to do a good job of po if we change anything telling parents this change >> emphasizing the rules and then having our staff follow through. One of the biggest concerns from the public when we make changes to the pool every year off season is they don't feel like they get that communication whether it's true or not. We can put it everywhere social media. We can put on their their bills. they still don't see it all the time. So, we want to make sure that that anything we choose, we vocalize multiple times before the pool opens. Um, that they know what type of life jacket they can and can't have. We might want to see if there's a way to get training for our staff. I think we already have it for our life lifeguards on on the AD on the >> Coast Guard approved jackets and then how to check those. Explain to parents that they will be checked. Um, and then if they don't follow the rules, they'll be asked to leave. >> Y, >> if it continues, if it's a multiple time occurrence, they might be asked not to come back to the pool because it's making it an unsafe environment. I think I think the plan would be to do everything in our power to notify the public, you know, with it being Facebook, the city page, um the the aquatic cent's web page, um any way that people would be looking, you know, anyone who buys the membership is going to see that we're changing the policy. >> Yep. Um and and we're going to make it very vocal that and we've always stood by this prior that everything's got to be Coast Guard approved. Um with that being said though, um kids who have disabilities and things like that that there's exceptions with that. >> Um >> but I think we'll do everything in our power to make sure that it's vocalized and it's visible for for the citizens. Um, >> yes, there's going to be people that didn't see it or whatever, but that's that's on them at that point. >> Can we put add signage >> and we will do signage up at the aquatic center? Absolutely. >> Yeah, you can have a board you know update that allowed >> with these >> parameters. Yep. Not just a piece of tape over it with handwriting like >> you have Abble's draw something up or whoever. >> Um, >> is there a way with our online system that with people that have passes to mark as they have as their kids are in logged into the system when they scan the pass it says, "Oh, this child uses a life jacket or this kid is swimming tested approved." Is that already something we do or is that something we could add into the system? I because I think about that and there's kids that had to every time they went had to take the test. >> So >> my like my daughter who's passed every level of swimming we offer >> didn't buy a pass but every time she went had to wait to take that swim test even though she's passed every swim class we we give. >> Here's the deal. >> Is there a better way to do it? >> This year was a a trial year um >> and we gave out wristbands. Now, [snorts] unfortunately, both >> rip them off. >> Um, we're looking at options of maybe, you know, like even like these uh rubber wristbands for something that a kid can take off, put back on, take off, put back on, right? >> Um cuz realistically, as kids come into the pool, it's going to be I don't know how easy it's going to be to be like, "Oh, yeah, they've passed their >> Yeah. you know, when when we got a line, you know, clear across across the parking lot, >> like I know we have the we have the label that they scan when they have a pass. >> Could it be the same thing? It scans it and just says, "Hey, Nora Christensen still needs to pay. Doesn't have a pass, but she's passed." >> Is that I don't know. I'm just [laughter] >> that program change something option. Like I know on accounts like if there's any medical conditions or anything like that comes up. However, that's information that the account holder puts in. >> So I can call them like my wreck to see if there's a feature that our staff >> can enter in that information. So when someone scans in or >> I know what you're saying, Ryan. >> I have no problem with my kid waiting cuz I wanted to be safe for everybody. So, I didn't have a problem, but my 11-year-old was the one that was, >> which I I do understand like from that because that's taking away from their day or their time at the pool >> waiting to take a test. I get that. We are, you know, I know David is more than happy to try. >> I thought it was a good change, so I don't think it was a bad change. >> We just need to critique it. >> Yeah. Just adjusting if we if possible. If not, I have no problem with it staying the same way. I just more efficiently possible. >> The rubber the rubber band thing I don't think it would work because somebody's going to say, "Can I have that rubber band?" >> And now it's on a wrist of somebody that can't. >> And that's fair, too. And that's just >> I could see a kid doing that. >> I think at some point it's hard to at some point we're going to have to draw a line, right? >> Y >> um what's going to work? And there might be people that hate this way or hate that way. Um but we're just going to have to stick with a method that we decide on. So if they get a season pass that qualifies them and your daughter would have had to. >> Well, she Yeah. Well, she didn't have a season pass cuz she likes >> But if she would have >> I don't know if they had a season pass. Did they have to keep taking it every time? >> I don't remember. I don't know. >> And then that goes back to where you know now you don't have to stay in line every time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We get more input from David and see what he does. >> Just a thought change just an implementation change and correct that can change every day, >> you know, if that's something that we could work in and I'll talk to David and just see if they're how they did it, you know, for sure get confirmation. But if if you're a season pass holder or whatever and you took the test the first time you passed, is do they know that? >> Where the hell is it recorded? >> Because at that point then it's like, okay, we're doing our testing, our due diligence. [clears throat] Um, if you're not a season pass holder, that's just that's how it's going to go. You know, if if if you're going to be bop around different pools, that's fine, but expect to come to the Casting Aquatic Center and have to take the test. That might be the case. >> Going back to Emma's life jacket suggestions. Um, >> thank you, Emma. >> Yep. Um, what is the deepest end in the kitty side? >> Oh, 4 foot. >> 4 foot. What's the deepest and the non-diving rock wall side? >> Five foot. >> Five foot. So the difference is a foot. >> So coming back to your suggestion, you want only having that maybe maybe I the way I was picturing was just that one section of pool. >> Is four feet and five feet different enough to where we want to segregate it separately or is five feet is is it okay to say five feet? Because most parents are going to be able to stand in 5t. >> Correct. >> And so they still can supervise their kid. I think I don't want to segregate it to a pool. I think we let it open to the entire pool >> except for where the slides are >> slides and the diving board and rock wall which are roped off already. >> And we emphasize that parents have to be within arm reach. >> If it becomes an issue, we will ask you to leave the pool. >> Yep. >> So, we were going to get some metrics on that. Do you are are you aware? Did they uh have the lifeguards monitor the Sunday night with the with the uh uh life jackets, get back to us on what they saw for usage? And uh uh I think we're going to have them measure uh how many times they saw parents a distance from the life jacketed students so we had something to measure. >> I do remember that risks with >> um did we get that? >> I don't think I got the data from it. >> Okay. >> And that that's on me. Okay. Um, probably this might already be in our current policy, but just properly fitting along with the US Coast Guard approved. >> Um, and then some sort of thing that's uh, you know, the the pool manager [snorts] can can restrict if conditions merit or whatever. just a free pass to cancel it if we need to. >> Yes. >> Cancel the light jackets. >> Not necessarily cancel it, but shut it off for a certain period of time. >> Well, if it becomes an issue, it comes back to us and we adjust the rule again. >> Yep. >> Because it because I mean if it's if the rule is so strict, then we got to wait for a council meeting to change the rule. Is [snorts] that true? >> I would assume we would have to wait till our ne our next meeting to suggest it. Yeah. Yep. >> It is council that has to approve it, right? >> According to our minutes from last >> I believe. Yeah, we have to last meeting. >> I believe the rule would have to be approved by council. Yes. Well, it says in our minutes, it says >> council member, I don't >> It says in our minutes from last meeting, any changes that the park board makes to the current life jacket policy would need to be passed by the city council, >> which there's >> because it's probably a liability thing. >> There's probably truth to that. >> I would suggest that we if we vote on it to move to council, it'll get to council for next week, next Wednesday's meeting. >> We send it to council. Do they need the specific changes right away or can we work on it? Can we work on >> I would think you'd want to give them the specific changes before they vote on anything. Otherwise, they will just table it and wait for you to come back with more >> because they're not going to vote on something that they don't have concrete answers. >> So, if we want to move forward with this life jacket policy, can I recommend that we approve it tonight, get the verbiage put together by our next meeting, and then approve that, send it on to the city council, and it was going to have time. Okay. Nobody's going swimming for a while here. >> Well, if they do, there's >> We have plenty of time for months and years to go by to get this nailed down before December when things start kicking off. >> So So Ben's job is to come back to us with verbiage. He needs to contact Dave. David >> and they need to come back to us next month with verbiage on what he wants this policy to look like and sound like. They can work with Tim if they want to. Maybe they're getting along now. and then they can come back to us. >> Yep. >> With the language and we can we can discuss and vote next meeting in October, which would mean we would need to have a meeting even if it's the only thing on the agenda. We'd still want to meet to get that done with so that can get to council because a month later we're already starting to look at applicants again. >> Yep. >> By Christmas time, we're starting to talk about hiring. So, it comes really fast. Mhm. >> We want to make sure that we have enough time to get sign changes and everything else if we make changes. So, Ben, >> you are being tasked to work with David on the verbiage of this >> policy change for our next meeting. Bring it back to us. If you need to check in with Tim, do so. If you think you don't need to, that's up to you and David. Bring it back to us for the next meeting. We'll have another discussion. We'll vote on it then. still gives us enough time to pass it, bring it to council, and have it implemented before you start hiring and planning for in December and January. >> When would be the So, are you guys still once a month for >> We're twice a month now. >> Twice a month. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Second and fourth Wednesday. >> Okay. >> And we'll even if it's the only thing on the agenda, we we need to meet. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Yep. >> Which would be >> a short meeting. >> Yeah. Let's let's let's have a motion. >> Right. Let's just have a motion to um >> approve the life jackets. >> We need motion to table >> table >> table it. I don't even think you need a motion. We're just table it for next meeting. Ben will come back with the information. We'll vote then. >> Okay. I'll come back with make a detailed. >> This is our new policy. >> Okay. >> If you want to do the motion and make it Yeah, we can we can wait. We don't have to make it official. We should cuz I don't feel like we make enough motions here. >> We don't [laughter] we don't need to make it official twice. >> Feeling kind of emotional over that. [laughter] >> No, great point. You want Let's give it some more time to get it done. >> We did send out the old policy a couple months ago before next meeting. If you could just send the old policy and the new policy just so we can see. >> Yeah, I'll do a we'll do a comparison everyone. I'll try to print out one for everyone so we can have a paper copy of each. That would probably be a good thing for the council, too. Old, new. >> So, okay. All right. Any more discussion on that improvements for 2027? Um, I left that pretty open-ended just because I wanted it not only to be maintenance, but you know, Ryan, you're probably the only one that's had a kid up at the pool often, but like just things that everyone's seen or felt like they've we've seen or dealt with. Um, like for sure biggest one of the biggest thing as far as uh admissions side of things, you know, I felt like Dollar Days was fantastic. Um, I'd love to keep uh keep doing things like that. Um, it proved even I mean on paper it proved to be beneficial for the pool. >> Yeah. >> Um, but I'll run I'll just run through some of the maintenance things quick. Um, obviously we're still working with the flooring in the pool. Um, we're going to try to kind of clean it up and apply another coat of the product that we had. Um, water heaters are leaking. We're looking at trying to figure out what the cost is for new ones of those. >> Um, it's not detrimental that we get it done. >> Pool water heaters >> the hot water heaters. >> Yes. >> I was going to say I think we just put some money into the heater. So, >> yeah. Um, you know, they're they're still working. >> So, showers and sinks. >> Yes. >> They're still working. So, it's not crucial, but it's, you know, another one of those things that wear and tear. >> Yep. >> Um, one of the other kind of uh fixtures, shower head fixtures and things like that, those are becoming obsolete, the ones that we that were installed. So, we're going to have to eventually start transitioning into different uh showerheads, faucets, things like that because we we're not able to get those parts anymore. Oh, >> imagine that. >> Obsolete for a shower head. I mean, go down to Hardware Hank. >> Well, there it's a little little bit different than going down to hardware Hank and getting >> You just have the pipe with the water coming out of it. >> Yeah. >> Um I am in the process of setting up uh Newman pool to come in, examine the water he or our pool heaters, boilers. Um, so as soon as we open up for the first week, they're going to come before we open to the public. Um, working on getting an actual date set in place with them. Um, and then, uh, we're still kind of Tim and I have had some discussion about the steps up to the water slides. Um, it's been an ongoing issue. So, they're a solid step, but they have a grit paint put on. Um, we've had them redone. Y >> we've added paint that just doesn't hold up. So Tim and I have, you know, Tim's been to quite a few different public pools. Um he's seen some different, you know, processes of what people do. Um so we're kind of toying around with the idea of maybe switching them out completely. Now, obviously that's not going to be for 2027. It's just something that we're going to keep. mean switching out the steps period >> to be more of a a see-through grate type material like a plastic poly great material where it lets the water fall through instead of sit on top. >> A a no maintenance type material. >> Yes. Um other than that, that's kind of all we really have as far as uh the maintenance side. Obviously, like I said before, the biggest thing is the surfacing of the pool. Um, I don't know if I brought it up to you guys before, uh, Steuartville redid their surface of their pool. Now they only have one large pool. Um, but that was a quart million dollars and that was done uh, they prepped it in the fall and applied the product in the spring. Um, so that's kind of just want to give you a a rough idea. You know, I'm not saying it's going to be a quarter million, but it'll probably be pretty darn close. >> So, this this is more than that. >> This is this would be their whole I mean, they redid their entire pool. >> And what's what's our situation? Is there more areas that are >> Well, there are more areas. Um, but I think if you redo it, you redo it all. You don't you don't just redo that bad spot. you prepare and redo it all cuz that's, you know, there's cracks in the pool elsewhere. >> Um, one thing we did try different this year is we actually left more water in the pool than we would normally to see if that changes anything because of that that spot that's deteriorating. Usually, we drain the water below that. Now, >> that'll stay underwater all winter long. >> All the all winter long. Now, the only problem is whether it's a design flaw or if it shifted over winter. Um, ideally in my head, it would make sense if everything sloped to the deep end, right? So, in the first L part of the pool, it's sloped to that area where it's deteriorating. But from that area down to the very deep end, it doesn't slope at all. It just sits in there. So, we left probably a foot of water thinking maybe that will help because we're thinking that maybe, you know, an inch or two of water was causing things to crack and pop and break out. So, it's something we're trying. I don't know if it's going to work. It's if it makes it worse, it makes it worse. Yeah. >> I mean, >> I don't know how actually how much worse it can get, but we'll find out, I guess. >> Did anybody miss that umbrella that was taken out? >> We have not heard anything about the lack of umbrellas. So, that was three umbrellas that we removed completely. >> So, we're going to ride with it. >> Good. Okay. There was some complaints from the staff about the water slide umbrella >> top, [laughter] but >> I did get them a shade umbrella to put up. >> So, >> all right. All right. Anything else? >> Do you guys put an ice compensator in liquid in the water? >> I mean, [sighs] >> I don't really know what that is. I just Googled it. >> Um, but we do we do have a winterizing chemical that we put in the water. >> Yep. Okay. >> Whether that's what you're talking about or not, >> I'm just looking at and they one of the things they say is leaving enough water. >> Yep. >> Yep. Usually four to six inches below the tile line. Yeah. Trying to figure it out too. Winterizing chemical. Yeah. Polyquat algic enzyme treatment. >> I'll go with it. It is it is more of an algicide chemical to prevent any from sticking. >> Yeah. But >> yeah. >> Did do we get the numbers from the 2026 numbers? Did everyone get those or did I miss that? >> Oh, I didn't know if we all got them. >> That's that's next. >> Okay. [laughter] >> I'm so excited to see them. Uh, I can pass them around if you want. I didn't print out copies for everyone. If if you want them, Ashley or I can send them to you. >> Do we have those digitally next time? Maybe. Sure. >> Yeah. Just so we can look at >> That's my fault cuz I told her no. So, >> okay. [laughter] >> I didn't >> I'm a visual person. >> You want me to bring in some recycle paper? >> We just use it. >> I can have it online. >> Okay. So, I mean, our loss right now as it sits is roughly 84,000. Now, there's still some expenses or I guess some things that haven't been paid and things that will be done um that aren't added to that right now. Um but >> compared to the last three years, how is that? I mean Tim always told me from the day I started he expects 100,000 >> should lose 100. >> So I mean is 80 pretty difficult? >> I think it's better than it was last year as of now. I'm not saying that's not going to change. It's not going to change significantly. Mhm. >> Um I will say so from Byron residence we got an additional $850. >> So I mean that's a a decent chunk of change. >> You said 850 or $850,000. What were you saying? >> Oh >> 8500 would have been better. the differential between a non-resident and resident pass that the city of Byron reimbursed us for. >> So I I would say that I don't I guess I don't know how does what does that break down to? 16 two two individual and 16 family memberships. Is that what you That's what I >> individual passes there's a $25 difference between residential and non-residential. And then for the family passes, $50 difference. So we just charged the city of Byron the difference. >> Yep. >> For those that paid the residential rate. >> So essentially with opening it more towards Byron, we ended up with an additional 18 memberships. >> And they might not have gone enough times to to pay it back. So that could have increased our revenue. >> Yeah. >> Maybe it's time to start talking about adding Manville then. Manville is going to have a conversation. I I >> I thought they were going to. Maybe they did. I don't know. They don't put their minutes online very quickly. I look >> um but it might behoove us to bring in more revenue that way. If it worked with Byron, offer it to our Manville citizens who were asking if their council approves it. It might bring in more season passes, might bring in more profit, and then we have more data to track where we can go online and say things that we need for families with life jackets and stuff. Um, I will say, um, you know, we we had some increases in resident family memberships this year. Um, we had some increases in non uh resident. Obviously, I'm I'm assuming that's to due to Byron. Um, some of our other increases, you know, concessions was a pretty big increase of $7,000. Well, we'll just say 8,000 pretty much. What was the increase in staff cost from last year? >> I don't know if I have that on >> It's on the other pages. Yeah, >> it'd be nice to know if we if we spent more on staff, did we did we still make money on >> I mean I I'm fairly certain we spent more on staff >> because that would wash away your your gains in profit if we're paying more to have staff. >> Help me out. Where am I looking? Oh, wait. >> Oldtime employees, >> session stands, >> session workers. 6 report. There's no overtime on here. I'll have to double check with Linda, make sure that's correct. >> Um, but >> okay. So, we we did have >> employees. >> So, last year was 134,000. This year's 148,000. >> Okay. >> Would that be because of our restore? >> Yes. >> And that's all employees? >> Yes. All part-time employees. It might behoove us next year to have a breakdown between Well, maybe I'm off on this, but we have people that are just hired to do concessions. Correct. >> Correct. >> Maybe just have a line for concession costs for staff. So, we see if if we're spending too much money having staff run the concessions. I don't know how many staff members they have, how many kids we I think we talked about at the last city council meeting. I want to keep hiring people because we know those are our future lifeguards. We don't want to be Dodge Center where they're short staff and don't know what to do in a few years. So, I don't I'm not saying lower number of staff, but maybe more cognizant of how many how much time they're there so that we're not losing money. I think, you know, and and you had chimed in during the council meeting, but I think this is kind of where that conversation needs to be had with David and kind of see what he saw and what kind of changes that we could do, you know, to make it a little bit more financially reasonable for the city and not just having all these staff members on, you know, on the clock at that time, you know. And it and it is unfortunate because you know during those slow times is when people see all those staff, right? But they also don't realize that that can change at a flip of switch. It's hard to say, "Okay, we don't need you right now. Go home. But if we call you, we need you to come back." I mean, that's probably not a realistic thing to ask >> a teenager anyway. I think it would behoove us as we look at budget next year to have him here the day we look at it. >> Okay. >> So, whoever the manager is, they come and speak so that we can hear it from them, too, and how it went. That way, we kind of get the ins and outs. I don't think we've ever done that before. >> No, >> it might be. Even with Ronnie, we didn't. So, I think that might be a good change. >> I would be more than happy to have if if David is interested in running the pool next year. Um, I would love him to come in this winter and sit with all of our members here tonight and just kind of discuss things that worked well. Um, things that he sees that maybe we could change and and make more efficient. Um, and just just see if we can meet in the middle. >> Yep. a manager hearing that discussion would be valuable just just from the sense of okay this is the this is the stuff that the board is interested in what what you're being measured on and he you know focus on those things you know what what's what's his goal is his goal to serve everybody and save money or get everybody experience and you know little bit of direction would probably be useful for him on that side >> yeah I I mean, honestly, I think if we can balance out, you know, his objective versus our objective and then try to find a common ground. And I don't think he's far off. I don't think he's trying to, you know, overspend or anything like that. Um, with it being his first year, obviously, there's going to be, you know, we we had some substantial surplus of some products like concession products at the end of the year. Now, thankfully they were able to take a good chunk of those things back. Um, but that's, you know, that's kind of one of those things that, you know, he's never been involved in it, never dealt with like the concession side of it. Um, so [snorts] it's just a it's going to be a learning curve for him, but I I'd be interested to just to see his takeaway from the season. Mhm. >> So, if you can for next month, can you can have him come up next month because then we can deal with the life jackets at the same time. >> Yeah. >> I'd like to visit the budget when he's here. I think that would help us. Um, and then that'd be a great time to ask what we're going to do next year, whether he's here or not to increase increase attendance on days that might have been slow. That's where we we we sat here a couple months ago and talked about having a night where we have concessions outside of the pool, having vendors come in. Like 84,000 to me, that that's a that's a percent incre that's a 1% increase in the levy, maybe two. Like that's a big change. So I I would suggest we we need to come back with some ideas to increase attendance because we don't want I don't I don't want to raise rates because if the more we do that, the less people are going to show up. There's a balancing act. what can people afford versus what they can't. But if we provide opportunities that don't cost us anything, it might increase full attendance. So, I think we need to start talking about that more. I know we did the dollar days, saw greater attendance. Well, we know those kind of things are going to work, but we can't do that every weekend. >> So, what are we going to do to bring people in? >> I I would, you know, without trying to get off way off topic too much, um I would be interested to see if we could get some food trucks. Um, you know, uh, at council meeting there was talk about a farmers market. Um, Veterans Park is a fantastic location for the farmers market in my opinion. >> She didn't even look at that one. It was she posted on Facebook >> and and that's fine. Um, and I I understand there was some other discussion on it, but after after leaving that meeting, I thought, well, Veterans Park, we're already set up. Not that farmers markets use outlets or anything, but utilizing actually that side of the park. >> Yeah. >> Um not being parked on the road. I do understand, you know, her concern with visibility and things like that, >> but just trying to get more people and utilizing that part of the park more often >> um that we have set up for festival. It it's hard to justify to leave that side of the park alone for only one festival of the year, you know. Um, I would like to just see it utilized a lot more. Um, even if we can get some food trucks in there that, you know, people aren't going to the pool for concessions. >> Um, we might get a lot more folks coming into the pool [snorts] just to get a day pass because there are food trucks out there. They go swimming then go, you know, have some brisket nachos or whatever it may be. >> We charge their parents to come in and watch them, >> right? >> So, their parents then come too, which increases it. Do you have a numbers uh how many citizens or people were served by the pool each month? How many swimmers do we have >> each month >> just to get some >> month by month or seasonal total? Either way, >> potentially pull that up through the myrack system, but I don't have I mean I don't have that right off. >> So that would include like those with membership passes like each time that they're scanned. Yep. What you mean? >> Just feel like we used to get that years ago. Like a breakdown of each month and then how much we how many people came and how much money we profited based on what they bought. Like did they buy a pool pass versus did they buy a daily pass? >> For me, it's just a valuation. You know, $28,000 a month in order to have a pool. How many people are we serving? We're asking We're asking every citizen in Cassin to pay $14 to have pool. Whether you go to the pool or not, everybody in Cassid's paying $14 every year to have a pool. Well, who's it serving? How many is it serving? And do we need to adjust what we're doing there to make it less of an investment or is it worth it for me? I want to know how many people we're helping in order to do that. >> Okay. Um I'll have to take a look at that and I can send out an email tomorrow. Um cuz I'm pretty sure I know where to find the scan totals, >> the metrics. That'd be great. I'd be interested to see. >> These numbers here would have all the daily passes for the year already. >> Yeah, >> the daily passes. Yeah, >> that might give us a breakdown of when it does get slow. Obviously, we don't know. We'd have to look back, see what the weather was like, but I mean, if there's a routine pattern where every weekend be after Memorial Day, it gets slow the first weekend, maybe that's the weekend we try to boost sales by having something go on. Got to have data to make a decision, >> you know, and and just looking at it, you know, so for daily passes, um, we were up $1,800. So, a total of $56,415 for the year 2026. >> Dodge center closed a lot more this year. >> Uh you look at let's see family swim night, you know, we which was daily emission family swim was 15,000 which actually ended up being down a little bit. Was the dollar night on family night? >> No, but we have dollar night. Well, I guess I don't >> What was No, dollar days was during the week. >> That was a Friday. The Friday. No, no, the Wednesday of >> the fair. >> Let's Let's gather the numbers, get those out, and then continue this discussion. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I I I think we need some discussion on it, not not necessarily done in one night, >> right? >> Um, but I think >> we're getting to the point where now we can really start diving in and dissecting what we can do to make things better. >> How many days did the pool get closed? >> Any idea? Is it more than usual? >> Less than last year. >> That's I don't >> There were no complaints on Facebook this year. Okay. >> But we were open were we open the same amount of days as 2025? >> We were open less this year than last year. Right. >> It was last year the year that the last year that we did Memorial Weekend. >> Yeah. We opened it earlier last year and we closed it later. Yep. So, and we opened this year later and closed it earlier because of school and kids going back sooner. >> So, total days of operation >> next year will be a longer summer. School ends before Memorial Day next summer. This next summer, so you will have an extra week there. I think we need to be open Memorial Day weekend since the kids will be done with school. >> I mean, I think that's fair. I think the only reason why we avoided doing that because they weren't done with school, >> right? So, we'll have a whole extra week and a half of of pool time next year >> on the books. >> Great. [laughter] >> Okay. >> All right. Anything else? You all right? All right. Playground modular being ordered for 2026. So, Tim and I have been in discussion. Uh obviously we had as a group had a discussion about that northwest soccer field about that being the next area >> for modular. Um that would kind of really tackle all areas of Cassen as far as needing playground equipment. Um he gave me the go-ahhead to reach out to my guy with the playgrounds and um reached out got some fall specials to see what uh was available. This is what I have picked out. Sorry, I only have two copies here. Well, at least they're color. >> But so that is the obviously the top price is the price for the modular itself. Um the this the bottom price is what we save. >> So add those two together and that's the actual price. Actual price. >> That would have been the actual price. >> It's with installation. >> No, it is not. >> Okay. >> Cuz you >> Nope. Nope. >> You said we would not want me to do it. >> I will say do it again. I will say that was probably the most fun project I've ever done in my life was building a playground. >> Is there a reason he doesn't want you? >> Well, the whole time >> it took a lot longer to put it together cuz they've got other things they have to do. >> But I would love more nothing more than to build another one. But I do understand from Tim's point of view, time is of the essence. >> What's the age group for this? >> That is a 5 through 12. So >> 5 through 12. That would be so we're looking discussing with Tim we're looking at a 5 through 12 and a two through five modular. So obviously the 2 through5 modular would be quite a bit smaller not as elaborate >> probably around that you know 8 to $10,000 range. um which would take out, you know, we could, you know, at Northeast we did a 5 through 12 and then there was two standalone spinning devices. So maybe those two get removed and we just add the two through five modular >> and there would still be a double bay for swings. Um I will continue to update you on the plans for this. So obviously we are just in the >> um planning phase right now. Um my play playground distributor is working on actually making that 3D image for everyone so that we can actually see >> everything. Um we can get the actual square footage. Um it's going to be similar to the size of what's at northeast. >> Okay. >> So the the 5 to 12 and the 2 to four or whatever it is both of those at Northwest. Yep. Okay. Yep. So, the the plan this year would be to purchase the 5 through 12 this year and it wouldn't come till April, but we would pay for it this year. >> Um, but they would install it in the spring of 2027. So, the, you know, the 2 through5 modular might not be something that gets installed until fall of 2027. just kind of seeing um I don't know where you guys are at. I I am ex This is where I enjoy my job picking out playgrounds, things that I didn't get to see when I was a kid. >> Um I thought it'd be kind of fun to go with a theme. >> Um obviously there's a it's kind of a pirate ship type theme. So, I am working with our distributor to see if we can find a two through fives that kind of goes with it. Um, >> this isn't necessarily going to stick, but I'm just that's one of the options that Tim and I had looked at and actually both agreed on. >> Do you have to get bids for your projects from other companies or can you just go with the one? I look at like our fire department. We ask them to get multiple bids on a fire truck. I mean, that's a million dollars. This is not a million dollars. But after you've got a design you like, are and I know not every company's going to build the same playground, but are you going out and asking for bids from more than one? >> So, I I will I'll be honest with you. Um the distributor that I have gone through since I've started um they bend over backwards. Um there and now this is a false sale product, right? So this is already built. >> Yeah. >> Or manufactured. >> Um so to try to find something that's similar to that is probably going to be next to none. And not all distributors are doing like a fall catalog like this. >> Yeah. No, I get that. I'm just wondering if we if you I didn't know if you had to or not based on how other >> I guess I've never been asked to. I mean I have gotten other bids. Um, originally, uh, when I first started out with the Northeast Playground, far before we actually got to the point where we did, I got bids from two other companies. Um, the other company was a lot more involved and and and I want to say that as a kind of a negative way. um a little more too little too pushy as far as things that we need to do or trying to get you to buy >> something else on top of that. >> Yes. >> Can we also get a breakdown of like how much it's going to cost for mulch and everything else? >> So that's that's what they're working on right now. We're like I said, we're in the very beginning stage. Um I'll get that itemized list of you know what the modular cost, the border, the mulch, the the install. So, they're going to bid it out as like they did Northeast where it's turnkey where they did everything and it's all going to be itemized. >> What location at that park are you looking at? Are we going to see an overhead so we can see where it's kind of at? >> I will I will print something off at our next for our next meeting that shows you um Tim and I have kind of been throwing around some ideas. Um obviously, you know, with a playground going in, we're going to need to establish a parking area. Um, so we have kind kind of developed last time me and Tim met, we've developed kind of a parking area for x amount of spots. >> Um, so essentially if if you guys are familiar with the Northwest Park, uh, you got that youth football shed out there. It would go directly west of that. >> Oh. [snorts] >> Yeah. Yep. >> No concerns on creek flooding at all. Um, we are staying far enough away from it. Um, originally when I had kind of met with Tim about this, I think I [snorts] got a little too close to that for comfort and we we've kind of talked through it and other options. Um, we want to just make sure that when we do this project that we're not handcuffing ourselves as far as like not being able to add anything else. You know, ideally down the down the road, it be nice to have a pavilion placed out there. >> Um, and and make it a full-fledged park. >> And I know citizens are always asking when if this is going to happen, we can get notified because it it is it's near residential. Yep. >> So, I say once we have the plans, if we can have city staff send a note either in the bill or something to anyone that lives around that park, hey, spring of 2027, you're going to see construction. Here's what it looks like. this is what >> this is what we're doing in the parking lot so that they know so they don't come saying what's going on here why are you doing this well this is it's in our plan we've sat and had meetings so that people feel aware and heard >> and I know um you know that's a prime example of utilizing maybe our public discussion you know when we get to that point um St. Croy Recreation is willing to put together a poster board for us. >> Oh, really? >> To display the park. >> So, if we decide that we want to inform the public and let them come to a meeting so that they can see it in a large display versus just, you know, on a >> word document paper. >> It's a good idea. >> Do we have is there money somewhere that to be spent on this? we budgeted it for it. Is there is there a runner up if we didn't do this? Is there the next project in line and what would that be? >> Well, [sighs] as far as like a locationwise or I mean what >> I mean so one thing we could spend money on is new modular equipment in a park. >> Is there is there anything in mind on the list that would be the next thing in mind? Well, realistically, the Veterans Memorial would be a project that's, you know, still we're still working on, right? Um there >> I'm fine with it. >> Yep. Just more curious. >> And I understand I I wish I had a better answer for you. Sure. >> Um >> Tim and I have spoke about the memorial and basically we're going to really start attacking that in 2027. Um as far as how or that's I'm not in charge of the financial part of it. I just get told you want to do a park, you know, we can make it work or whatever. Let's do it. >> And now it's the time to do it when we're concerned. >> Y And that's that's my if Tim says you can do a park but you got to keep it at this price I'm going to find the sale. >> Yeah. >> So instead so like you're talking about different updates to the pool. This isn't money that we could transfer to the pool if we want if we said it's bigger need >> as far as I know. Yes. >> So it's already pre-allocated to our parks. >> Yes. >> And I'm guessing people would rather see a modular than we they don't see the heater that we spend money on. They they don't see the they don't see that. I mean, they feel it when they turn the hot water on, [clears throat] >> but they don't see it. And this is something that's that benefits the community either way. It's not going to bring in revenue no matter where we spend it, >> right? >> But it's going to make that park more feasible for families. It's more user friendly for them. So, when they go to their football games, their their other kids have somewhere to play. >> I mean, at this point, it's a green space out there. Yeah. >> Um and and that area of town is a little bit more >> I don't want to say secluded but it's harder to get out to vet the closest park is Veterans Park >> you know >> it's there is a walking path now which is nice to veterans park from there and maybe we extend their wa the walking path does not go all the way to the parking lot area >> right >> maybe that's something we look at extending too look at the budget to see if you can extend the walking path all the way to the parking lot so there's access for wheelchairs >> when they get So, so then like in uh 3 years, do we put in a plan that now you put a pavilion or a shelter >> potentially? Yes. >> You know, but >> visually stage it out. >> Yes. >> At least get it in discussion, >> you know. Um I I really want to have the addition of a pavilion at Northeast. Um I think the need for one out there is a little more >> so northeast first, then Northwest. >> Yeah. or >> still put it in your rendering so we know where you want to put it. >> So we see the long term, >> you know, get Yeah. Get it in the long term to to know this is yet to come because you know older generations like shade, young moms like shade because they got their young kids and it gets hot. So um Okay. Any idea what you know when you start talking the uh you know the up to five years you know you got the five to 12 on this. >> Yep. >> You know do they have anything in the fouryear-old three two to four >> two to five >> you know in a promo. >> So right now I'm like I said I'm you know they they send me or I asked for their catalog when they do their fall specials. Um, and I just reached out, you know, a couple weeks ago to our provider. He's getting a game plan, but I did tell him, you know, I am looking for a 2 to 5year-old modular >> um that if if possible, you know, we can design something similar to what we're asking to get now. >> So, that' be something that, you know, if they say, you know, we do have a 40% off >> Yep. And and if and if need be, you know, >> um we can always just, you know, match colors and things like that to make it >> look more >> aesthetically look like it's the same. >> Yep. >> Cuz I >> when I was speaking with him, he said, you know, when we do these sales, it's because our manufacturers made X amount of these modulars. Um so we're trying to unload them for the new new year, right? So for us to expect that there's going to be a, you know, a twin modular for a two through five is maybe a little >> Yeah, I understand that. >> But we I think we can get something that, like you said, is a little more aesthetically pleasing. >> Yeah. And they may say, well, yeah, we got a two to five that's, you know, black piping and got to change the color of a, you know, little freestanding unit or something. >> Yep. But like I said, as as things progress, you know, you guys will be informed. I'll keep bringing um the additional information >> and it's the other thing is, you know, the ADA accessible and all that other >> Yep. and and >> stuff. So, >> you know, all of our products are technically ADA accessible. >> Yep. >> Um wood chip fibers are ADA accessessible. So good. The next one I got too, um, Tim wanted us to make some improve more improvements to Tot. So I got some more. That's another one that's on sale. Once again, you guys can see this this saving cost. Uh, Sand Park Northeast. >> Oh, >> the pirate. Yep. >> Swing. >> Fourth Street. Maybe. >> Fourth Street. >> Fourth Street. Yep. >> So, that would be we would remove the existing Yeah. >> um metal contraption. >> And that that is something that our staff would install. >> Yeah. Just doesn't look like it would take too long, >> right? Would that be right now? >> He wants us to order that this year. But then again, there again, you know, that that order has to be in before December, but wouldn't be shipped until the new year, >> right? >> So, we're looking at potentially three modulars purchasing yet this year. >> Two modulars. >> These two. >> Yep. The two through five wouldn't happen till 2027. Gotcha. And >> we didn't budget for that one. Which age group is this? >> What's coming out of that? >> What age group is this one? >> Two through five. >> What's coming out of top lot then? Anything? >> The existing modular. >> The old one. >> Yeah, >> it's a slide with three ways up. >> Yep. >> That's all it is. >> I know. Yeah. We always look for it the for when they do the medallion. We always go there and it's never there. It's >> easiest. It's the easiest one to look for. Like when you're there, it's small. You'd be surprised how many people don't know it's there, though. Well, >> that's sand. >> It's funny because if you Google map it, it's labeled as sand park. >> There's no sand there anymore. [laughter] >> It is a nice feature for people in Northeast to bring their their younger kids to. I remember being a kid in Northeast. It was seven blocks away, but we still biked there and played there. So, it was an option because we well we also had >> we had Northeast Park, but now that's gone completely. >> Yeah. >> Those those are I guess the the two major changes >> Mhm. >> that we're playing. >> Okay. >> Maintenance equipment. Uh, just wanted to give you guys an update on park equipment. As far as our maintenance equipment, mowers, um, we have what, well, I call it a wham, but it's a wide area mower. Um, you know, we've had it since before I started. They're brand new. They're $80,000 on the lower end. $80,000 for them. They cut 12 foot span. Um, we don't we've had nothing but problems with it. >> Um, we don't use it on our ball fields because of its weight. Um, it's very heavy. Uh, so I reached out to a MTI Toro and talked to them about what a tradein value is for it. um and what we could replace it with. So, we actually ended up trading it in for $32,000. Um it's a it was a 20 we bought it for 60,000. >> And you traded in for $32,000 >> and we were able to purchase uh 8 foot zero turn >> which is considerably a lot lighter. >> Yeah. um more beneficial for what we would need it for. >> Um and then I'm working with uh Mankeys, which is a Toro distributor or sales rep, about switching our diesel zeroturns to gas zero turns. Um why we've always ran diesel zeroturns, I don't know. I don't know if it's just because um the city didn't want to have gas barrels or but a diesel zeroturn is at least double the cost as a gas zeroturn and we've had nothing but problems with diesel zeroturn. So I don't know why we haven't made that trade sooner. So essentially a 60-in diesel zeroturn through Toro John Deere, you're looking at minimum 25,000 where we just bought another one out of our storm budget for 12. And the only hangup right now is I want to get another one next year, which we are budgeting for. Um, but I had to get a bagging system. So, we got baking systems for our other ones right now. Um, but that's an additional $4,500, unfortunately. But the hard part is they don't take tradeins on the zero turns. So, we'll have to outright sell our zero turns >> to the however we do it to the public. >> Put a bit off. Yeah. But eventually I would like to get a lot of our stuff switched over to gas just because it's a lot easier to >> cheaper run. >> It is a lot easier to maintain. >> Mhm. >> Um they say the longevity of diesel is far more than gas, which sure maybe, but the wear and tear on our mowers is the same. So, just cuz your engine runs doesn't mean the mower works, you know. So, um I don't think there's a lawn company out there that doesn't use gas lawnmowers. You don't find many that are running diesel. >> Yeah. >> So, I guess I just wanted to give you an update on kind of those changes. >> So, we don't have the big big machine anymore, but we also got rid of headaches and downtime and stuff. >> Yes. Yes. >> Figure that makes up for the more time it takes to mow with the smaller decks. >> And and the the ability to utilize an 8ft mo over the 12T is unbelievable. I mean, we mow we mow all of our athletic fields with the bigger mower now. Um, and it's a zeroturn. It's not as bulky. It's easier to get into those spots. >> Perfect. So I it was a a much needed and good change for us. >> Are any of the mowers that you're needing? Were any of them purchased by the joint powers or joint ventures? No. >> No. Okay. >> Just seeing if there was something the school was housing or Manville that we could be borrowing. >> Okay. >> Since we share the cost on those. Okay. Pavilion maintenance. >> So, this has been kind of a a thing that I've noticed um people that I know that have rented pavilions. Um the topic that Ashley and I had discussed. Um but there's two time slots to rent pavilions, the morning, the afternoon. Um, and Ashley this year has been sending me all the pavilion rental times. Um, but biggest hiccup or problem that we have noticed um that I've gotten feedback from the public is trash. Um, if if someone rents it in the morning, fills those garbage cans up, then the people in the >> [music] >> Sorry, I don't even know what's playing. I was looking up mowers. [laughter] >> Um >> I thought when they rented it, the the group is supposed to take care of the trash and then they used to just set it out by the maintenance shop. >> Yep. Okay, >> that's about it. >> That's about it. Okay. So, I guess, you know, with us knowing when things are rented, we can probably mitigate that. Now, this is obviously more of a discussion for Tim and maybe Ryan about if we know that there's parties coming and they're double booked on a pavilion, you know, let's just take for instance the West Shelter at North Park. If you know there's a a rental in the morning and a rental in the evening, have a guy come in and make sure that the garbage is empty. >> Um, >> or even do we have roll bins that could just be delivered there if there was a party going on or they could sit there for the day? >> I mean, we could add garbage cans. I mean, we don't want it sitting there overnight and stuff, but I mean, if there's rather than trying to get there between parties, just deliver a bin and sits there all day. >> And there's options. I'm I'm open for discussion on it. >> Yeah. >> Well, do you do you got >> good >> What's the deposit they put down? >> Yeah, >> there is no deposit. It's just a $45 rental fee per time slot. >> So, if you put a deposit to hold it cuz they're booking ahead of time and in that deposit, if they remove their trash and they bag it up and they put it where they're supposed to be or take it with them, deposit's fully refunded back. If the trash is left behind, uh, you lose your deposit or you only get half your deposit back. Now, if you do half the deposit, people are going to say, "It's not my money. No big deal. I'm leaving it." So in that case that's not going to cover your cost to get somebody up there to look between bookings. So in that case the deposit would cover if you leave leave your trash the deposit is not the deposit is not refundable. Downside of that somebody say but we took our trash. Well whoever is the person that goes and checks in between regardless we'll take a snapshot say this is your pavilion. This is pavilion being empty. This is the trash we had all the way. So, you didn't. Here's the proof we're keeping your deposit. >> It makes people a little more responsible saying, >> I I see where you're coming from. Now, on on the on my side of it, the only time that I've heard about garbage cans being full is either way after the fact or from people who I know that are, you know, renting that pavilion. So, for us to try to do the blame game on who left the garbage, you know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. No, I got you. >> I'm not sure I guess the right way to go about that. >> So, they rent it on a Saturday or they rent it on a Sunday and I'll say you got staff around on a Friday to check and say, "Okay, make sure everything's empty at night before >> staff's gone." So, that way you know it's starting fresh Saturday, but that doesn't come here for a Sunday, >> right? which anybody can throw trash and >> you can have a walk-in noned party on Saturday morning. >> Yeah. >> It fills up the trash. >> You have somebody on standby on weekend or the pool. >> Yep. >> But they don't come in on a Saturday. They only come in on a Sunday. >> Can we add the pavilions to their their job description on Sundays? >> Walk around. and and we can, but that's kind of this is where, you know, you and Tim come into play because that would be a council decision, right? >> How much would that add to their time? >> Well, if you do it on a Saturday, you know, >> well, if they did it Sunday, they just add it to their So, if someone's already checking the pool on Sunday, >> I maybe So, you get you can no matter what get two hours for coming in. >> Yeah. Um >> it's one of the two of the pavilions are already at the pool. >> Yep. >> And our only other pavilion is at Lions Park. So we're adding one more check on a Sunday. >> Yep. >> Um >> um realistically it would probably be I mean an additional hour I would say just just rough. >> It's something they could add to the job description for the Sunday staff member that does it. I'm just thinking also though the parties when they're two parties on one pavilion, you know, on a Saturday. >> Would it So just would it benefit to add more garbage facilities there? >> I mean, I it could. >> Is it cheaper to add two more garbage cans or whatever you want to call them so there's more spot to throw your trash versus paying someone to come constantly clean it up? >> Right. Seems like the labor would be way more expensive. I think it would be. >> Example, you know, you have if you have two or three garbage cans now, you make it five. >> Someone that's going to throw their trash away is going to take another 30 steps and throw it away. Someone that's not going to pick up their trash. You could put 8,000 garbage cans around. They're just going to still leave it. >> So, it's not going to change their behavior, but it gives options to people that want to keep the park clean. It has a spot to put it. I guess I guess my opinion would be to add more garbage cans. Um, and maybe make that addition on a Sunday for the the staff that's checking the pool already cuz I already see that increase at the hockey rink. They've added two new garbage cans to the front of the building. It looks much better around the front of the hockey rink, Dodge County hockey rink because they've added more garbage facilities for people to throw their trash. more spots people are going to pick up. I think that's a good idea. >> Okay. >> Would we require the garbage cans like we have on the paths? >> I I think I think we do the nice garbage cans. Um so obviously there's going to be a cost involved with purchasing those. Um right off the top of my head, I don't know what they cost. >> That would probably go in your budget for next year. Yeah, there they would probably be, you know, a >> Aren't they Aren't they like >> they're expensive? Probably a can >> cuz you got to >> and they bolt down to the ground, which is what you need. >> We could look at raising the the cost of the filling rental to offset the cost of the garbage cans. >> And not completely overtime, but you could add5 to $10 a rental. And over time that would pay for those extra garbage cans versus paying a staff member to do it. >> You know what? $45 to rent a pavilion is really quite very inexpensive. >> Now, did we how many how many times did we rent it this year? Was it >> a lot? >> Substantial. >> Okay. So, here's where I look at what what do you get for what do you get for 50 bucks? Not much. But yet here we're reserving and you got this shelter pavilion that's provided. So [snorts] um you know you could easily raise that $45 to you know 55 or 60 bucks. You got to be cautious not to just jump way high but >> cover the cost of of running the park for that area. Adding the garbages helps to facilitate that area. Keeps it clean. Justification $5 to $10 seems fair. We don't, again, we're not in it to make money as a city, but we want to >> we cover the cost of paperwork and we want to cover the cost of those garbage cans. I think that's valid. And then is the two pavilions at North Park, they have bathrooms already there. Lions Park has portaotties, correct? So there's they're different pavilions for different people. to get bathrooms there. >> Add more cans. See what happens. >> Okay. >> Think about raising the price. >> No, you get like $45 in a rental is that's not very much. >> I don't think that would slow anybody down for renting it anyway cuz I when I go out there dang there all week weekend every weekend for during the summer, it's full. I mean, people are using them. Well, anybody's going to shy away because it's too expensive. Somebody else is going to come right behind and say, "I can't get a place for 60 bucks." That's reserved for us. So, >> was there quite a few rentals at like Lions Park? >> There was a decent amount. There were actually um several groups that booked Lions Park for like the whole day, which would be $90. >> Okay. during graduation season. Like that's probably >> I just think the a as you know as we build these these modulars and these playgrounds that the addition of um of pavilions is necessary to give more options for people to >> rent them rent them out. Mhm. >> Does the same company that does this provide you pavilion options, too? >> I'm sure they probably do. >> It was cheaper if you buy in bulk. >> Pavilions? >> I don't know if if you're already going to buy this. >> Do they have garbage cans? >> No. >> Okay. Well, that was >> so when you're looking at the 2 to five range for that smaller module, see if they what their cost would be and at least then you know how much it's going to cost and maybe it's maybe you have some cost savings because they're already going to be bringing it there. I will say from what I've seen, not that I've done a lot of research, but most of their >> structures for shade are like the canopy type, you know, so it's not something that we would want to have as a, you know, substitute for an actual pavilion. >> Okay. All right. Old business. Come on, you're up. >> Thank you. I'll try to be very brief. Just wanted to bring you an update on the project we've been working on in Lions Park. Uh you have two items there in front of you. One is a uh uh flyer that we'll be using for the solicitation of uh the funds that we'll be raising this fall. Uh you can look that over. Uh I've already run it by Tim gotten kind of his head nod uh to the idea. Uh we are uh uh hoping to uh do some training with uh local students in the community uh helping them learn the uh art of fundraising. Uh and uh the uh process would be they go out and talk to businesses, ask for their support for this. uh if they solicit a donation from the business, I I intend to give them 5%. Uh as a commission, so they earn a little something from it and they raise money for the city to offset the costs and build the park. You'll also see a uh spreadsheet just kind of a summary of the work that's been done this summer. Uh it's an underest it's it's a under recording of what was actually done for the number of hours and the amount of things that were donated but uh so far in kind donations between uh manh hours of about 83 hours and then uh uh rentals uh um equipment types things that have been donated uh total raised so far about $2445. Uh you'll also see an update to the course map. Uh a couple of holes have been redesigned slightly. Uh since the city has elected to uh purchase the 3 acres of private property, uh we're moving forward with uh this plan. I'm meeting with the uh disc golf folks uh tomorrow evening just to finalize hole locations. Uh we have about four holes left to rough cut in. So 14 of them have all been cut. Uh the trail has been rough cut. Uh we're we're doing well. We're now uh Ben and I are working together to say how can we groom the ground that has been cleared. Uh and we're looking at options to do that. Trying out different things. We're getting all kinds of all kinds of options available between buying a piece of equipment to do it, renting a piece of equipment to do it, or having a contractor come in and do the work. And we'll we'll keep the uh park board a breast as we move forward with the project. >> So, just on your map here, question about holes seven and eight. >> The two baskets are together. >> They are fairly close. They're separated by a brush and some trees. >> Okay. >> So, when you finish hole seven, you got to walk all the way down to the beginning of number eight and shoot that way. >> Correct. Yeah. And the reason for that is they're both water carries. So, this map doesn't show it because the satellite hasn't updated, but that's where the pond is. >> Okay. >> So, to create water carries, you do have to pretty much walk to the T of eight and then throw it. >> Okay. I'd love to put a bridge across the pond, but I just don't think it's practical. [laughter] >> But you did say people like those water holes. >> They love water carry. So >> So they So they'll walk to that because they like it. So it's Yeah. >> So you are right to identify a flaw in the layout. Normally you wouldn't want somebody to walk a hole twice. >> Yeah. Well, seven would have been kind of nice straight down to eight there and then eight shoots up. But >> but now you got water there. And I'd love to do that. Uh, but there's not space on the east side of the pond to put a basket. >> Okay. >> And you're not cheap houses, too. >> Right. >> Right. Everything Everything is is is designed to keep it away from residential yards. Now >> the fundraising these the funds that gets raised go to the city of Kassen and then get or or where >> the the city of Cassen will be uh um funding the project and uh so funds that we raise will end up becoming a donation to the city. I talked to Tim a little bit about this which way he wanted to go. Um, we're going to uh give people the option to write a check directly to the city uh if they want or uh if they want to do a credit card or online donation. Um I've offered to uh uh create a a fund through our church. We already designate funds for various offerings and we'll gather it all there and then make a donation from that to the city. >> Um the the the fundraising bonus that you were talking about. So, would the city be paying that out or where how how does that transaction work? >> Yeah, great question. I'm going to run that through the through the school. So, uh I will uh uh be bringing in these forms. We'll be bringing in what donations come through there. We'll track what donations go directly to the city. Um if there's something to be paid out that way, I'll pay it out through the funds that we already have control of so the city doesn't have to be involved as a payee. Did you say the city bought >> three acres? Is that that land that uh >> we were that we were crossing? [clears throat] >> It was Carter Blaine's property. Yes. >> He did agree to and we in the purchase agreement >> purchase agreement signed to purchase it for a good fair price. And so >> Johan, thank you for that. >> Yeah, I'm glad that worked out. [laughter] >> I believe you did. >> Yeah. A little bit of prayer goes a long way. I'll tell you. We are thankful that Carter was willing to work with you on that because that that does help a lot and >> good gesture from Carter as well. >> Yep. >> Helps improve our parks. >> So, I guess the only thing I'm asking for tonight is a approval of my uh donation form. >> And Tim's okay >> because I plan to start using it immediately after the meeting. Tomorrow I'm going to put it in the hands of kids. They're going to start making phone calls to phone calls and visits to businesses and individuals. >> Tim was okay with that 5% that you had mentioned to us. >> I mentioned it to him. He didn't have any uh >> as long as he okay at that then I'm fine. >> So get too into the nitty-gritty. But so someone's donating, they want to have it be tax exempt or whatever tax advantage charitable donation. And so they no matter which entity they give it to, they can do that. >> You cannot you cannot get a charitable donation for donating to the city that I'm aware of. >> Okay. So >> uh and I I wasn't going to offer charitable donations uh through the donation to the church. It's just it's mixing of >> that seems cleaner that way, >> right? It's it's just you're making a donation. you're actually if if you look at the uh uh form, you're getting a benefit for your donation if you're making any a donation of any size and that you're getting your logo put on something. So, even if I was b taking a donation to the church, I'd have to say and you're getting uh this much value in kind. I just don't want to do all that. So, it's not going to be a tax exempt donation. It' be more like an advertising expense or promotional expense for you or your business. All right. >> Well, I'll need a motion to approve the uh donation form here. >> I move. >> I'll second. Okay. >> Oh, any more questions? >> I have one more question. Sorry. >> No, go for it. >> With the legacy sponsor, >> says proposed course name. We're updating the course. We're not making a new one, but the Veil Corporation that we bought the property for to the west >> did have naming rights to and I don't remember exactly how naming rights their naming right plan worked. Does does this I think this is a Tim question. Is this because it's a redesign not count towards that or is do we have to be cognizant that maybe this is something that they would be interested in having naming rights for? I don't know. They they do have naming rights for a project in town. I don't know if it has to be a new project or updating an existing one, but that was part of the purchase agreement when we bought the land that has all the apartment complexes on it now by the by the water tower. I just maybe that's something we run by Tim. I don't have a problem with I fine with all of it. I just don't want to give someone a $5,000 option to name it. They name it and then the Veil group comes and says we were supposed to have naming right options. It would have been nice because this is a nice new feature that we would have liked to put our name on it because it's right next to what we owned. I don't know. But that's my only question. >> When when does Tim come back? >> Tuesday. >> I like the idea of giving that option to someone. I [clears throat] wish we did that with the hockey ring. Naming rights are great, but I just want to make sure we we don't mess with something that's been decided before and we're not insulting a group that gave us a really good deal on our property that's provided a lot of housing. >> Is there any way that we would be able to move forward tonight with donation and just kind of get the information from Tim on that? >> Yeah, I I I don't think that would be a problem. I don't know if somebody's going to give $5,000 tomorrow. So the the the legacy sponsor is given the right to submit a proposed course name to the park board and the city council. It's not saying you have the right to name the course. It's saying you have the right to suggest a name to the course. >> So I think even if we run into that, we're still covered by what's here. >> I just don't want to I don't want to make any groups mad that we've promised things. >> Maybe they get their name, maybe they don't. Maybe there's there's no guarantee of $5,000 and then and then it's competing buy their way into getting the name beyond that. Who knows? >> Right. >> So So the Veil Bucky Veil >> the Veil property that was to the west was the property we purchased for the apartment complexes. >> We sold that to all those businesses. And one of the deals with the property was like $300,000. Don't quote me. It's been six years. was naming rights for a new development of some type. Maybe it's a football field or it's a sports complex, something type of a naming right. I don't know if this qualifies because we're really redesigning. We're not building new. But I just want to be cognizant that that's >> But it hasn't been they haven't used their name on anything yet. >> No, that's why I bring it up now. >> Okay. Cuz I'm thinking >> No, we don't we haven't named anything yet, but we also haven't really designed anything for them to name >> sense in. I don't know if this qualifies as new. >> Okay. I got you. >> I love [clears throat] it. I just don't know if it's new. >> That's good to know cuz I didn't know that. >> Yeah. >> So, you're talking about the naming of the course itself, not Lions Park. >> No course. >> And I don't know if that's what they're looking at. I don't I want to just make sure we're cognizant of it to talk with Tim >> so that if the if the name if we pick a name and they want it to be their name like the Veil disc golf course and casting or whatever, I'm just making up a name. if they want their name on it and that's what they chose. >> I I want to make sure we're cognizant that that might be one of our first >> options because they have that in their agreement. I >> I did forget to mention something. Please forgive me. Uh I I was going to mention that because we're taking the funds through the church website, there will be a cost of like 3.25% if somebody uses a credit card. Just wanted to make get that out there so it was full transparency on what the cost would be of taking in those donations. So it'd be uh if they paid with a credit card, it would be a total of 8.25% for the 5% commission plus a uh the financing costs. >> Yeah. Covers. >> And Tim reviewed this document. >> He did. >> Okay. So, our motion still stands and our second. Any more >> I think Matt second it. >> Yeah. Yep. Any more discussion? All in favor say I. >> I. This approve. >> I abstain. >> Obviously that's there. >> Okay. Pass. Yep. All right. I'm sure a lot of people are talking about it. I couldn't be awesome. Of >> course, the line it's the Lion's Park. You're not going to name it. >> I know. I just But I thought I just thought, well, it's already >> not going to change the park name, but I I just >> I know that was something that mattered to that group when we got that >> that property and we >> trying the council probably would have known more than parkour would have known about that. >> It's a lot to remember. >> Sorry. >> No, you're good cuz I would >> It's been a long five years. It's hard to remember everything that's happened. >> You're dealing with middle school kids, aren't you? >> Union co-president, this that. It's there's a lot to deal with. >> Okay. Decommissioning of Veterans Memorial. >> Um Okay. Uh so I meet with them this Thursday. Um kind of giving them an ultimatum that we will be starting construction on the memorial. Um they've kind of given our group, the Cass and Veterans Memorial Group, a little bit of a ring around as far as time. Um they don't have time to do it. Um we were doing this out of respect for the veterans and out of respect for the Legion for, you know, providing that memorial in the 80s when they did. Um but at this point, we need to start moving. Um, so I will be meeting with them this Thursday um to discuss it and I'm not gonna try to sugarcoat it, but it's just going to be like, hey, you know, we do plan on doing this this fall. We're we do plan on saving parts from that memorial to add to the new memorial that, you know, that still stands. Um, but we had brought up the whole decommissioning of the memorial out of respect. Um, still want to stand by that, but we also have time constraints on our end. Um, so just kind of wanted to let you guys know where we're at with that and uh we'll move forward after that and I'll let you guys know how it goes. >> So basically you're going to give them a date. We're going to start after this date. >> Yeah. >> And do what you need to do before that. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Yeah, there's going to be no >> Let them know you have contractors that have dates that they want to start doing things and >> to to meet those deadlines for those contractors that we're paying money to, we have to have these things done in a timely manner. And this is your timeline. It's out of our hands at this point because we're working with contractors. >> We're getting anxious to dig. >> Seems better. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, that's it for that. >> Yep. All right. correspondence. >> I I do have one more thing to add. Um just a informative thing. Um so the Cass and Liquor Store will be donating um 50 daily pool passes to the uh >> Karen Sure. >> Karen Sure. >> Not Karen Chair, >> the elementary school PTA. >> Thank you. There you go. that um that was discussed kind of between Ashley and I and Matt at the liquor store over email. Um just we've done in the past, but just to let you guys know. >> Not that we have to care, but do you know how those are given out? >> Anybody? >> So, I make up like physical certificates and then I guess after their fundraiser, they're given to those kids. that one. So, they have like actual cards. >> All right. >> All right. I need a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Good discussion tonight, folks. >> Oh, the Yankees are winning three to one. turn your recording off. [laughter] >> Now you can speak.