6:30 >> uh at 6:30. We'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. Thank you all for coming. Uh first item on the agenda is review and approval of the minutes from the prior meeting. If anybody has any additions or corrections, if they'd be kind enough to share them. Otherwise, I'd look for a motion to approve the minutes. Please >> make a motion to approve. I have a motion to approve. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Motion in a second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Those opposed. Take care of the minutes. And just a single public hearing on the agenda this evening. Cassin public works subdivision preliminary plan. >> All right. And I'll just give a background of the request by the city of Cassen. Um before we open the public hearing. Um so up on the screen is an overhead shot of the property. Um, it's all owned by the city of Cassen and features all of the or the city's public works department offices and garages and shop down here in the southwest corner. Um, and then the actual wastewater treatment facility up towards the center in addition to some areas of open space around the peripheries of the site. Um, and then I'll just scroll down here to the actual exhibit. Make sure it fits on the screen for everyone to see. Um, so this is the actual preliminary plat exhibit. You can see that the entire uh parcel the entire parcel is just shy of 80 acres, but it's being proposed to be subdivided into uh five different lots arranged around around the different um around the different uses of the property. So, we've got um lot one, which is actually furthest towards the north of the of the public works property. Um for many years, it's been leased out to a local FFA group for an agricultural use. Um in the future, it's proposed for more of an energy park. So featuring a large um large area of solar panels which would provide uh generation to the city's uh electric utility. Uh lot number two here which is the waste water treatment facility plant. Um no proposed changes for this property at this time. um lot number three, which is a smaller one um down here on the the west edge of the site. Um just shy of 5 acres there. Um one of the proposed uses for this site would be a new substation. The city of Cassin doesn't have its own substation currently, so we rely on uh more of the regional transmission partners. So typically Excel would be would be that partner. Um lot 4 includes uh the public works department that I had mentioned before in addition to quite a bit of open space uh reaching up um all the way to the east border of the site. Um the one boundary here is the center point of Masten Creek that kind of cuts off the remaining site which is lot number five. uh over here in the south uh southeast corner of the site which is heavily wooded at this time. Um so the entire site as I mentioned is owned by the city of Cassen and that's not proposed to be changed at all at this time. Uh really the purpose of platting right now is just to ensure that each of these different uses has its own parcel and kind of fulfilling the city's intentions for expansions to our utility services. Um, so since we are creating lots that don't have uh direct street frontage off of 16th Street Northeast, um we're proposing to uh more or less guarantee access to the lots that don't have frontage um just through an uh an access um easement exhibit. and that would be recorded uh with the property um just because it's required to do so when you have um lots that don't have direct street frontage. And then also included in the public packet was a memo prepared by our city administrator uh Tim Ibish. Um so he just kind of describes more about the platting process overall uh in addition to the proposed uh uses for the different layouts which I described. So you can see public works facility there substation um potentially a future development um in that wooded acreage on the souththeast corner of the site um the energy park all the way to the north and then the sewer plant towards the center there. So just another example for you and let's see I think that's that's what I'll share now for the background. If there's any preliminary questions from the board can answer those or else move on to the public hearing session. >> Since it's all currently owned by the city >> what's the value in platting it out if it's all going to continue to stay with the city? Um, so it's there's value in separating the lots out so they each have their own use. Um, particularly the site all the way to the north that's being leased out to uh the FFA groups. Um, even though it's owned by the city and we wouldn't normally pay property taxes since there is an income source that's being generated from this piece of property, it is actually taxable. Um, so that's one piece. Um, and then this wooded acreage to the southeast corner that I've discussed, um, potentially could be a development site. Um, and so it would be beneficial to have that lot, uh, separated out. >> That that plot for that area is following Masten Creek for that area. >> Um, >> that's the way I seen the lines. >> Yep. So, it's it's a little bit hard to tell, but you can see um the different dashed lines show the the actual boundaries of Masten Creek, and then the dark solid line is the center line of Masten Creek, which would be the proposed boundary between lots four and five. >> So, you're planning to >> It's just a proposal. Um the purpose of this meeting night is just to talk about um subdividing into the different lots creating these new >> We will have a public hearing. So if you'd be kind enough to get us to that point and >> not that this is really a Q&A session, but if you have thoughts and I got questions, could you scroll up on the the page a little bit, please? So as Masten Creek continues up and around, why did the border stop for a dip? >> Uh because beyond that, it's not owned by the city. >> Yep. That would be my property. >> Yeah. >> Now myself, I am landlocked on my property. I would be interested in that property, be able to have access to my property from 16th Street. >> Okay. Sure. >> And just for my clarification here, the city can go and build a substation there right now regardless of whether or not we plat the property. So this isn't a question about a substation. This is a question about platting a piece of property. >> Correct. Yep. Yeah. Does anybody else have any more questions? >> Okay. A group of folks walked in after we started the meeting. Could I beg you all to sign in at the front desk, please? >> For sure. All right. We were trying to find a door that was unlocked. >> No, no worries. >> We will for sure. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Pardon me. >> Is it right up there? >> Uh, no, sir. It's right behind the gentleman in the green. >> Just on the little podium. >> I got only one thing to say. Um, could we um perhaps open >> We'll go ahead and open up the public hearing if anybody has any comments they would like to make. If you'd be kind enough to come up to the podium, please start with your name and address. And my only request is we keep it specific to the platting process. If we get too far a field, we're not necessarily in a position to ask a bunch of of whatif questions at at this stage in the game. And a lot of those questions could be posed to Ian at a later date. Okay. I'm his son. I also own property next to >> Could you come up to the podium, sir? We can't hear you that far back. >> Thank you. It'll help us for the recording, too. >> And forgive me, your name was >> My name is Dennis Holtz. >> Sure. And Dennis, you live here in Cassen? No, I live at 225676 625th Street, which is a extension of where the road goes down the road. >> Understood, sir. Thank you. Please. >> I got property beside your sewer plant. >> Yep. >> Okay. As far as I'm concerned, you're busting this all up for your future selves, you know, down the road. I can see you got a plot there that my son was talking about. It'd be nice if you going to put that up for sale. Put it up for sale and advertise it instead of get with your building buddies and all that kind of stuff and developing it. Now, as far as developing it, you got a perfect spot for a city park there. If the city wants to do something in the future that's going to keep it in the city and wants to do something right, they would clean up that lot. Put a city park out out there and you got parking and you got places everybody can go out there and do as they on a hot day. There's trees out there. It's all established. All you got to do is clean it up. I'd rather see it go into a city park than you sell it off and develop it. To me, that's a waste of city money and fill in your pockets, but nobody else's is concerned. So, that's my idea. If you want to sell it, I guess down the road, that's why one reason you probably got that busted off like that. I can I I've lived there for since 1966. So Cassen hasn't been a good neighbor. I'll tell you that. I went through the sewer plant and all that. So, but I've I've been on the same property or since 1966. So, I've kind of watched how things go. I've seen you a lot of stuff I don't like going. But how do you fight city hall? That's my statement. How do you fight city hall? >> Does anyone else have anything they would like to share? >> This is just a preliminary, correct? >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> Yep. So, uh, when we plat in the city of Cassen, it's a two-step phase. There's a preliminary and then the final. Uh right now it's just the preliminary. Um we have the public hearing for the preliminary phase. Um if the planning commission feels that they have enough information to make a positive recommendation, uh then it will get forwarded to the city council for review and approval. Um sometimes there's some review that can happen after the fact and um if there's any updates to the preliminary version of the plat uh those can be made before the final plat comes back to the city council for final approval and recording. Um so the final plat just goes straight to the city council. There's it doesn't come back to uh planning commission just the preliminary plat does. >> What is the expected time frame on that? Um, let's see. So, the next city council meeting, which we're anticipating to have the preliminary and likely the final plat as well, would be um next week on the 19th of August. >> So, the next week, you're going to take these preliminaries, get everything finalized, and push it through. >> Uh, assuming there's a positive recommendation from the planning commission here tonight, and there's no significant um things to resolve, then yes. And is that public as well? >> The city council meetings are always public. Yes. >> It's not a public hearing though. >> Yeah. >> Get a chance to speak. >> It's not a public hearing. >> So in in a week's time, you guys are going to push things through for what you want. >> Is what I'm understanding. >> We're going to push it through for approval by our elected officials. >> We don't We're a recommendation body here, sir. We don't make any decisions at this level. and we do our best or I hope we do our best to gather as much input from the public as we can. >> I just don't agree with that. >> I think it's pushing through for own agendas is a way especially these time frames and the extent of this and if it's just preliminary in a week's time we're going from preliminary to final with decisions made. >> Sure. >> Sure. Sure. Sure. Going back to what my father said. >> I perceived your father was in favor of this. >> No, he's not. >> Oh, okay. My my mistake. Forgive me. >> Yep. That's point taken right there. I just prove my own point. >> Did you have anything you want to come up and share on the topic? >> I think there needs to be more time involved. Chris Holtz, >> if you'd be kind enough to come up, sir. Please. My name is Chris Holtz. I live at 25668 625th Street and uh most of my property is borderline against uh the city sewer plant. >> Y and like I said, my land is landlocked at this point in time. I would be interested in the one partial, but the way it's partial out and shown on your drawings, which is first I've seen it tonight actually how it is partial out uh cuts off right on my property. Now, if I wanted to access my property from public roads, that would be my opportunity. So, I think it should be put out there for public bid and advertised so everyone has an equal opportunity to do that. I also agree that would be prime property for a public park as well. Uh what I don't like is the time frames that all these things are happening on. >> And forgive me when you say these things. Could you clarify that point? >> This property. I got this letter in the mail about a week ago. >> Okay. and we're up here tonight to to find out more about it. I understand that it was public or published on the internet as of last Friday. Today's Monday. >> Yep. >> And then all a sudden I'm hearing that uh what I'm sorry, what was the date on the >> the 19th? >> The 19th >> city council meeting. >> So that is next Tuesday, Wednesday. Next Wednesday. So that is a little more than a week from now and decisions are going to be made at that point in time. To me that is very little time for public to react. >> Okay. >> There should be at least a month or better for public to react. >> So there's time for advertisement to be out there to publicly publish it bether internet, newspaper, social media, all of the above. that is not being allowed to happen in a week's time. That's not enough time for that to happen. And yet, I'm being told on that date, decisions are going to be made and finalized. It's not right. Thank you. Does anyone else have anything like to come up and share? >> Can I just ask a question or not a statement? >> We we can try but >> ju just the the way it is if it was to be developed in the housing. Does the whole lot go up for sale and one anybody can fit on it or does it specifically sold out that a builder has to buy it so they can plot it out to whatever you guys decide to whatever wants? >> To the best of my knowledge, we don't have anybody interested or we're not even making it available for like residential housing. Is that what you're asking, sir? >> Yes. I mean, it's kind of what the letter implied, but it'd be a future residential housing >> that was mentioned earlier in the meeting for development. Well, it's just a proposal at this time. Um, if the city were to go down the route of developing it for, um, for housing residential properties, um, I think having a public auction would certainly be something that we could consider going forward. Um, but as of right now, I'm not aware of any offers or anything that are on the table for the city to consider at this time. >> So, I guess I'm just kind of back piggybacking I guess with his comments too with lot five. If it's a proposed or a potential residential area, wouldn't we want to define what that actually is before we say it could possibly be that? Because once it gets approved, >> there's nothing to go back on. >> I'm a bit confused. Where is this residential property proposal coming from? >> Um, lot five. It's what I thought. >> This wooded acreage down here. >> The city owns that, correct? >> Yeah. Yep. That's right. And there's there hasn't been a developer that's approached us asking to turn it into residential property. >> Not to my knowledge. No. >> So I I need a little handholding on where you're coming from. Ma'am, you'll have to forgive me. >> I guess that's where my confusion is as to what is that lot really going to be because if we're actually making you're making the proposal as to what's going to be going out here, I think from as residents, we want to know what is going to be there. >> I think there's a lot of questions about that as well. Yeah, we we there isn't necessarily any hard plans to develop this property. >> The purpose right now of this platting is to separate the parcels in case somebody comes up and offers it. It's going to have to be done anyway. If if it's going to be turned into residential, it's going to have to be separated off. >> Yeah. >> Excuse me. >> Correct. Correct. >> You're working on doing that. Right. And that's where we're separating it into parcels. Now, it's going to have to be done eventually. If somebody came and wanted to buy that or for the energy park on the north side, we have to separate this out. So this is just basically planning ahead for in case and and they want to and the energy park on the north side and then to keep the wastewater treatment plant in its own parcel and the public works building in its own parcel. >> Thank you. That was a good explanation. I appreciate that. >> Have there been any individuals inquiring into that property? >> Not that I know of. >> I know there has been. >> Who? Well, >> no. Who >> my place to say? >> Well, I I'll just say in the time that I've worked for the city of Cassen for a whole four years now, I have not been approached by someone offering to purchase this property, but I can't speak for the entire city on that regard. >> I have one I have a question about So, you were talking about you're landlocked in there. Can you explain that better to me? So like >> if you look at the the picture there >> where the the woods and then it turns into kind of the field that area there. >> That is my property. >> Okay. >> Yeah. You can see a little better here. >> Correct. That's that is my property >> and your house. >> How do you access it now? >> That is my house. >> So you do have access. It's just the >> I have an easement to cut across other people's property to get onto mine. Okay. >> So the direct access Okay. And that creek goes down through there. How do you So that bottom piece of yours, you you have h uh do you farm or hay it or something? >> I cut the hay for my horses. >> Cut the hay for the horses. >> How do you How do you get into that? Right. >> I go through other people's property to get over to it. So just just north of the blue line there at the creek crossing straight up on there we there's a creek crossing and that's how I get across there in order to make my >> you had said something about maybe being interested in >> how to get access >> if you scroll back down to the page and that's why I question the the lot it's how the lots are broke out because the lot follows the creek the creek cuts off right at that corner right there well if there was another 20 ft farther page north on the page there I could have direct access to my property and still wooded area hillside been there my whole life it's I mean I've cleaned up a lot of city mess over in that area I can tell you Yeah. >> Yeah. Never been up in there. Um other than aerial shots cuz and it's it's pretty wooded, but I've been around it up in the city side. That's why I was wondering how you access that. And I I knew you must have been farming something on it. Hayne. >> Yeah, it's just grass for the access. It's a pasture we use in the fall. We put the horses out there in the fall. Just quick question. Thought one, you are actually looking at an energy park. Then you're not going to do any subdivision subdivision on lots as far as residential. >> No, that's not the proposal for for lot one. Okay. So, what do you consider an energy park? Like solar panels or >> Yeah. So, I think let's see it's like let's see 20 acres just shy of 20 acres that one would be the proposal. Um and let's see, Linda, if you remember correctly, was it like 10 acres for solar panels? Something like that. Um, and then continuing to uh lease out for agriculture the remainder of it, at least for what we know at this point. >> How would you access that property >> uh with the I mean it's it's already being accessed right now. Um, but if you take a look at the the zoomed out version, this uh sorry, these dashed lines that kind of run through the middle of everything, that's that's the access easement that's being proposed that would guarantee access to the far north parcel. So you said that's what the that's what's being proposed where the dotted lines are. >> Yes. >> But did you also say that they do currently have access to it? >> Correct. >> So on that same path >> I'm confused when it's being proposed versus already have one. >> Well, the FFA is accessing that property, right? >> Right. Yeah. >> The FFA, Future Farmers of America. >> Yep. >> Yeah. They're they're accessing it >> through that >> through the dotted lines. >> Yeah. And and it follows generally the the path of the the existing driveway anyways. >> And and really so the aesthetics of the properties won't really be changed. There's BMS back there for a reason. Trust me, we get some water problems back there. And that's why we want to make sure that we're careful on that. >> It all runs through our backyards, >> right? Not a little bit. We're talking a lot. >> And close to the house, not just the backyard. >> Yep. >> We've had it approach the house, too. So, that's why we have to be careful in what's put back there. >> Understood. >> So, what do your house is? Probably that one on the very corner. >> 220213 right in that corner. Our backyard goes right into lot one and there's three low areas that run out of that field and all three of them have run before. I've seen water 20 ft wide and 3 ft deep coming through there on a real heavy rain. Uh last time they went through with the new sewer lines, they were supposed to put it back the way it was. They didn't. It's lower. And so what happens is it runs faster now. >> Yeah. I I've been up behind your house actually. >> Uh and yeah, and then it cuts through uh your your neighbor. >> We're right to the south of 21104. We also get it the next door neighbor at 21102 also. >> Yep. >> Goes down over that big embankment. There's a dry creek bed or >> and actually my neighbor to the north had to put rip wrap in his woods because the water was starting to wash the hill off. >> That's that's where it drops down in there behind. >> Yes, that slowed it down. That slowed the erosion down. >> Yeah, that was some big rock in there. >> Yep. >> Stop that. It was a lot of water. I remember that. >> I've seen water 3 and 1/2 ft deep and 40 ft wide in his backyard. So that's why we have to be real cautious on what we do. The tree line I would like to leave. That's really my buffer. It's even starting to wash the roots out. We've been trying to shore that back rock and stuff that comes out of the fields, but that helps a lot. I do agree with you, John. >> So if that if the proposal is for energy and and solar, that really shouldn't disturb a whole lot is if that's the plan, I would think, which would be beneficial to not making things worse. >> Correct. Correct. Yes. I've worked with the farmer back there, so he plants more end rows, helps slow it down. I've seen erosion in that field that was over 3 ft deep. Just some and it's not that long of a a pitch, but uh it does really run through there. Yeah, there would be one advantage with the solar in there as far as, you know, you'd still have your little access road, but you would have plants, grass, stuff, which would I'm would hope to have >> no problem with that. >> Yeah, that would be that'd be an advantage for you on that part. >> Yeah, just establish something for a footing. That's the big thing. Anything else? >> We need your input. >> As much as you mean >> anybody as much as you can give us. >> I I agree exactly with what he's saying because we thought just had to fix everything from over the years and we don't want to go back to that. >> Yeah. That all started with the waste treatment plant dumping all the excess water into the backyards. That was that was terrible. Now they finally got that problem taken care of. You know, now we just, you know, continue. We worry about the heavy rains. That's the key right there. >> I've had tampons and condoms flowing down my property. >> We have the we had the mayor out there where we showed them that in the backyard. >> And it does absolutely no good to have them people out there because they don't do nothing about it. >> Well, they did to us. It's fixed now. >> Is it good? >> Very minor comment. I would like to keep the sledding hill for the kids. >> That's why I say you should keep if you're going to do anything, keep it as a park. It's a good deal. >> Maybe you've already talked about this and I just wasn't listening. The I have a question about parcel five. What is the proposal at this point or what have what have there been thoughts about >> solar panels? >> Sorry, lot five is down here. >> Pardon me. Pardon me. Lot five. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um so I mean yeah we've just been discussing during this meeting one proposal which is to develop it for single family housing. Um but that's just a proposal. >> It's just a thought that we had. We haven't been approached. >> It's not locked in at >> a developer to do this or to buy it or anything. When we separate this out, this is what our thought was for this property should it come to that. And to parcel these out right now, um the public parcels wouldn't have they'd be tax exempt. Right now we have to pay tax because they farmed the top and that's and it's one parcel and we're taxed on that. So parceling it off will give us um tax exempt parcels >> effort to save money. Okay. >> Is that for the city or for the individuals? >> Well, that would all be for city property. >> It's all owned by the city. I assume you're talking about county taxes. >> It Yes, the county the county charges us tax on >> the parcel right now, the whole thing. >> So, if we can break it up, uh public entities and school districts don't get taxed on their on the parcels by the county. >> So, then will our individual taxes be affected by this money? >> No. That still gives you plenty of room for future development on the waste treatment plant. With these new subdivisions going in, I'm afraid that'll have to grow, too. >> Sure. >> Has anybody from the wastewater treatment plant looked at this? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. Charlie Bradford's been very involved in this. >> And yeah, there's enough room for when they need to expand. That was one of my biggest concerns too because once it's gone, you can't get it back, >> right? >> So, we want to be very careful in what what we want to do with it. So, and having that buffer zone back in there should be Charlie I I had talked to him a little bit about some future things, but um yeah, not on this, but just it was pretty overall pretty good about looking at things and making sure that the the future you're not going to do something that's going to be detrimental to make needing something. So, I'm comfortable with that. Perhaps it was discussed earlier too, but with the leasing of the FFA um leasing that land back there, has there been any discussion as to the value as to what the income is that comes in with that lease versus what the expenses are going to be determined with? probably not a conversation we have at the planning and zoning level. That better conversation to be had at the city council level. >> We we don't have privy to costs and and whatnot associated. This is purely a land use related >> conversation. Approval process though, >> right? >> You'll have to forgive me. >> No, that would be after the approval process then because this is our preliminary. The approval one goes next week which we won't have any feedback that we can discuss at that time. Yeah, I mean that's >> Yeah, I don't know if they're related. You'll have to forgive me. >> I'm asking if the FFA makes money on this or >> No, I didn't know what the lease if the FFA is leasing that. I would imagine that somebody does the city make the profit on what the lease that they're paying. Okay. >> No, >> I'm just asking from the part as from the cost benefits. >> No, it it's very nominal. It's we don't charge them a lot. I mean, we lease it for I I don't know the exact number right now, but it is not much. And we don't get any of the profits on whatever they they put in there or reap out of there. I'd like to throw my vote in if it's possible for the I I would like a park if that's possible. That would be my view. I went for a walk at Restoration Park this afternoon. It was very lovely. Albe it humid. Very lovely. Having a park there block from my house would be wonderful. >> Yeah, that's a pretty, you know, along with some when a lot of the subdivisions get built. That's something that the city of Cassen has been and Ian knows quite quite a bit and Linda um about what what the criteria is, you know, because parks are important. So, what keeps us beautiful. So, I mean, there's things in there that I'm sure they they know more way more about than I would um as far as where that stuff like that, how many how far they have to be dispersed and kind of an an overall shot of what where a park should be placed. So, I'm sure that's something that's in a big consideration, too, because we've got a more developments just to the east of that. And now, the ones to the south, the ones to the west are pretty established. I know there's a park right up there around the corner for that area that I just was up and that looks really nice now. So, back to my question earlier, we got just a little over a week's time when this is going from preliminary to being finalized. What's it going to take to slow that down a little bit so everybody can think about things and have the public aware of it? >> I think the timeline for most of these things are is set by the state of Minnesota. So, it's not something that we're necessarily driving at a local level. >> Yep. I understand that. And I also deal with the state at times as well. And there's ways to do it. I would another month for this to be thought through thoroughly. >> If you've got resources at the state level to to change those things, you're going to have to >> you're going to have to forgive me. So, that goes beyond the scope of what I >> I think the question should be asked. >> You're probably better off approaching your city council asking that >> because there is a 60-day rule. Well, >> yeah, >> it's 120 days for platting, but >> 120 days, but if you came to the city council and and asked them to table it until their next meeting, you could do that >> because I think that I think there needs to be some time to have thoroughly advertised and have everyone know what's going on. A week's time is not. >> Here's another thing that might you might want to hear too. Okay, so this is a recommending body. We have recommendation. We recommend to the city council and that would give a little more time just because the planning commission says how or however they vote um to give their recommendation and then the city council. So there is still it's not like tonight is a final >> tonight is not next week is >> next week is so there is some time I know this is >> according to right there he's not willing to recommend that from what I hear. >> I like >> I would like this council to recommend at least to the next council meeting after the one next week to move this forward. I would like that recommendation to come from this morning. >> Sure. But we've had our public hearing at this level. >> Um I I don't know if there's a mechanism to have a a second public hearing. Is that what you're you're implying, sir? Or or what do you >> No, I want time for the public to know what's going on instead of having the final decision be made next week. So, this board can recommend city council to bring it up at their city council meeting and table it to at least the next month for people to have knowledge of what's going on. >> I guess I'm not sure I understand how that that does >> cut and drag straight forward. I don't know what's not. >> What information are we going to have in 30 days that we don't have now? There's two, four, seven, eight people in this room. >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. >> This is actually quite a lot for what we normally get during public hearings. >> How much has been put on social media? How much has been >> But if you'd be kind enough to if you could stay on point, if you could stay on point for a minute and answer my questions or as directly as you can. >> What was your question? >> What information are we going to have in 30 or 60 days that we don't have? published publicly for people to have time to acknowledge it and to >> okay >> understand it. A week is not enough. >> Okay. >> It was published in the DCI >> last week. >> So we get a week and a half time frame, two weeks. >> It has to be published at least 10 days before the public hearing. That is what the state law says. That's when it was published. >> That's fine. I understand that. So I'm asking from this council is to extend that to give more time for people to understand. >> So you want it published again? >> Yes. >> Well, it it's not free for us to publish and I'm not sure they would. >> I believe that question should be asked. But for clarity's sake, I'm wondering, so what we're doing tonight is just giving the okay for the city to break these parts. >> Break themselves apart. >> We're making a recommendation. We're not doing anything. The city council makes that decision. >> Once that happens, nothing has changed. >> No, >> nothing says that that property will be done, sold. It's It's still sitting there, right? is still sitting there. But >> still sitting there there's been no butt. But >> there's a butt. >> Okay. But nothing is nothing's changing. If you come to the city in a month from now and say, "I'd love to buy that property now." They might say, you know, I think you're right. We've never had anybody talk to us about it. >> Maybe not in the time frame that you've been there, but I know people have. >> Could have. Can I just to clarify but but you never know because right now only it's just one huge plot one big building of land. So nobody could just go I want to buy this without buying all the land. >> Right. If somebody said I want to buy this little corner we'd have to do this anyway. >> Yeah. >> We'd have to plat it out and parcel it out. So that would have to be done anyway cuz Yeah. It's one spot. It's one parcel right now. So if you want to buy that land, you can't do it until that's done. >> No, I understand. >> So really nothing's changing. >> In a week from now, >> correct? >> In a week from now, that could be different. >> And further subdivision can happen after the final plat is approved anyways. In fact, it makes it simpler to do because you can go through a minor subdivision process which just requires a a survey, a recorded survey to cut off additional pieces of land. >> Understandable. And to me, that's part of the problem >> because you're you're eliminating the checks and balances of the system. So you got to put thorough thought behind it before that happens and that has to happen and people need time to be given that. That's why I'm asking for this council to recommend city council the table at least till the next meeting so the general public has time to digest it. >> There isn't another public hearing. >> No. So I'm >> Well, is there any I mean as it pertains to the plat itself and where the lines are drawn, are are there any additional questions or comments? >> If they run this meeting next week and as approved, are the lines that you have on that drawing now hard and clear? >> They are ultimately made as as as clear as any any property line is in the city. >> That's a very funny answer. Are you asking for the lines? >> No, I'm asking that the the lines that you had up there, they are drawn and that is is what it's going to be >> if they approve the final plat and we don't change them if they don't ask to be changed. Yeah, >> that's the question I was asking. >> Yes, >> because I think there could be some adjustments on it >> potentially for future buyers, whoever it may be. Would that be agreeable, Marty? But just asking, just check >> theoretically, >> right? But we have nothing. Nobody's asking this. So >> these are the lines that were drawn. >> I'm asking >> and Right. You're asking to buy it. >> You're asking to move the lines. >> I'd be interested partials, I guess. Well, then you need to talk to the city administrator and the city council about a proposal, but we still have to um parcel it off somehow. >> Even sorry, even if so, you guys go ahead and do this and you partial it like you want. So now you have your power up there, you still have your sewer, you have your utility buildings, and you have the transfer station possibly. And then in the future if it's progress with four and five, you can then have a completely new meeting to reshape four and five, >> right? >> Yes. >> Which would be easier with what Ian's saying. >> Yeah. Depending upon how many new lots you want to create, it could be simpler, straightforward process. >> Has it been surveyed off your has put dots online or did you survey? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. If you look closely at the um the exhibit of the plaid, I mean each each line has like bearings and meets and bounds and all of that. So it's it's very well surveyed. Yes. >> Out there. Um well I mean it hasn't been approved yet so I don't think they would put >> the survey the actual surve >> what >> if the survey crew to actually put those northerns and easterns in for pinning the ground they have not physically been out there >> well I don't think they would put in new pins before a plat has been approved that that's all >> yeah okay Sure. >> Going once. >> Good. >> Question is, is this council going to recommend asking another month from city council before this decisions made? I never heard an answer on that. >> Why don't we find out? Go ahead and close the public hearing. Thank you all very much for your input. Gentlemen, are there any questions on this side of the table? >> I just have one comment. Um, it appears on the preliminary plant that the north arrow is pointing in the wrong direction as well. So, that'll be something to fix for sure. That should be facing the other way. Thank you. So basically this is just it's just a paper shuffle around so that we can do something later >> and if we don't do it later >> nothing's happening later. >> Great. >> Yeah. I mean the only the only short >> we're just kicking the can down the street. The only short-term benefit I think we've been able to identify and it's really not a planning and zoning issue is that there is a minor tax savings or I assume a tax savings for the city, but that's a that's a city council related pursuit. Nothing we would discuss at this side. >> Any more comments from >> Sure. Even if we if we yay or nay this, it doesn't it's it it falls back to the city council anyway. Yeah, >> at the end of the day, our elected officials make the decision. That's not something well with one obvious exception. >> Any thoughts from you, Mr. uh Torqulson? No, just just thinking about it and you know I know we need to move forward on some stuff and if that brings it to the council I mean there's still lots to think about but in order to keep to keep this going as far as where it needs to go. And I feel more comfortable with what Ian had talked about as far as, you know, platting some of it and, you know, down along the river, listening to your concerns down in there. If that and if that's a road that I mean, piece of property like that and if you could make that work, it's near yours. I mean, that would be a definite something I think you should be interested in. And with getting it platted out makes it easier in the end for you're not fighting a whole lot of other things coming into there. We know what the city's own this and they have an idea what they would like in the back and in order to do anything on that and also to to stop some of the tax bleeding um and things like that. That's a positive part to there um positive point in your um with the water runoff and stuff. I mean that's something that's addressable back there. It's not going to be a field that is being manipulated to which would make a worse problem which I'm I'm comfortable with that. Um the time is shorter, but if we still plat this, we have a general idea of what we need to do. Um that's there's still some input to go into that with the council. I think there would be a lot of questions with it there. But as far as a recommending board that we are sitting here tonight, that's uh it it needs to something needs to happen, I think, as far as getting the ball rolling on this so that we can figure it out. That gives us a a little bit of time to to maybe do some thinking about it, too. But we do need the we do need some lines in there though and this is kind of what we're here for to get that started. >> Is there any value from your position at the city council to sitting on this for another 30 days? >> Well, is there's nothing that's sitting up there that I know of that you know this is a do or die thing right now. But um that would be something to bring up at the council meeting with the concerns from the meeting with the general public to emphasize some of that and because that's what a public hearing is. This is how if no one would have shown up tonight, we don't know anything as far as let's Yeah, that's pretty straightforward. But having a public come out to a meeting like this is is a good feeling because we get to know how the neighbors are feeling. It affects you know you all live there. So I mean there's something that we need to to look at and there's but we also need to move forward I guess too. Um but that we still have the city council and if it comes down to that and we need to say you know what maybe we need to table that part of it. I mean that's that's that meeting. This meeting is the where we would like to propose the lines. >> Does the mayor still accept comments at the beginning of the meeting? >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Okay. >> So, if anybody wanted to come to Wednesday's meeting, it's not a public hearing, but there is a public forum at the very beginning. You can fill out a card and then you could speak at the beginning of the meeting. Just throw that in there. >> Yeah. >> If there's now nothing else, I need a motion, please. Well, I would make the motion to plat it and then so that part of it's done and then we've got the lines and we could we could at least start there and we still have some time before the council meeting if if that would be the time that we could maybe say, you know, maybe we do need more time. But as far as this part of it, I mean, that's pretty cut and dried what needs to happen. >> So, we have a motion to approve the prelim preliminary P plaque. Excuse me. Do we have a second? >> I'll second it. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Those opposed. That would be our recommendation to the city council. >> Thank you. Is there anything else we would like to discuss this evening? >> I have nothing further for this evening, >> gentlemen. Anything? No. I'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting. Thank you all again for coming. >> City Council's email addresses are also on the website.