get started anyway. This isn't coming out for a little while anyway. >> We'll go ahead and call meeting to order and we'll start with the pledge. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Thank you, everybody. Um we just have one addition, the Paul Lindgren evaluation. Is there anything Excuse me, anybody else have anything for the agenda? Now, I'll take a motion to approve. >> Make the motion to approve. >> Make it, Ryan. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Thank you, Paul. All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? Thank you. Um there's no visitors. Uh mayor's report, I just have one little item. I was talking to the chief about it, he already knows. Just a friendly reminder to people out in the public, starting July 1st, you will have to have seat belts if you're driving your side-by-sides in town. And anybody under the age of 16 has to wear a helmet and under 18? Under 18, sorry. And there's quite a few that are not doing that. So, we just want a friendly reminder to remind people and that means people you see driving around with their little infants on their lap, >> Mhm. >> they don't make a DOT helmet for that, so that's illegal. So, we'll just a friendly reminder, the police will be watching for that. >> Does that apply to golf carts? >> That >> Cuz I don't think they have seat belts. >> Just side-by-sides for now. That's state statute. >> State statute. So, just And yeah, so that is what I had there. Uh no public forum, no public hearing, no committee report, old business. Council direction regarding curb stop lines. >> I think we have to approve the the agenda and the consent >> We skipped the consent agenda. >> I forgot the consent agenda. >> He's in a hurry cuz it's hot, that's why. He's going >> Sorry. >> That's all right, you're good. >> I was going to say, we did do the agenda. >> I forgot to send it to you. >> Okay, there you go. Sorry. Are there any items in the consent agenda? >> I'll make the motion to pass the consent agenda. >> Thank you, Ryan. Do we have a second? >> I'll second that. >> Okay, Sheldon. All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> All right. Sorry about that, everybody. >> Well, I just wanted to highlight off that the event permit for KM Telecom. So, they're having their anniversary party this year. So, if you're able to stop off, that's I think it'll be really nice. I know I think Ian, can you get that permit over to them or Linda? One of those. We'll get that over to them. Perfect. Make sure they're aware of it. >> All right. >> Now, on to old business. It's over. >> That is something. So, I will just bring this up. I know this was something that was brought up by Councilmember Johnson. Discussion and I think the city engineer is starting to do a little research, but it's a pretty big topic and he just wanted to make sure that council was all on board of wanting to do the research and spending the time on doing the research on the >> roll ownership for for that before we go whole hog into it. So, I don't know if you you want to talk to it at all. That's pretty much what you had indicated, right? >> No, I mean I guess the the question's been raised is being asked of, you know, ownership and should we be owning more in the public right away? You know, what do you guys need What are you guys interested in seeing to to make that decision if if the council is, you know, going down that road to have that discussion, happy to do it. Or is there going to be no discussion on that? Is that, you know, is it the council's consensus for us to put the staff time in? So, I just want to make sure that if we put the staff time in, what is what is your expectation? You know, do you want like a little report, a little little report, a comparison from other towns? Um because there's some advantages and disadvantages with any decision you guys make, right? And obviously some ramifications with potentially special assessments, um sewer and water rates, all that jazz. So, like what what is you guys's expectation if we put something together? Or >> Could you explain more in depth what is being asked here? Because just at face value, it's not super clear. >> Sure. Yeah. I mean, you go ahead May Paul, you can jump in. >> Yeah, I think you know about it more than I do. >> Sure. >> I can I can list my complaints with with the policy if you want, but >> Sure. So, um um ultimately, city mains out in the street, we own, right? Our water mains, our sanitary sewer mains. Um I think the question is being asked is the ownership of the water and sewer service um from the right-of-way to the main. So, you own all the way to the main. So, including to the water main and the sewer main. So, you would own the curb stop and you'd own the sewer line underneath the underneath the roads is essentially where the the hardship comes in replacing a road if your your private service broke, right? So, City of Rochester has like Service Assured through RPU uh for their electric and water. >> Just something we've talked about here as well. >> Which been discussed, so I mean, this isn't a new topic. Um and then we've been talking about now with the water um lead service line replacements kind of been brought up. Um and it's about it's a mixed bag. I don't know if it's 50/50. Um specifically of not having private ownership in the public right-of-way. Private ownership ends at the right-of-way. Um in the city as a whole, the utility owns the water and sewer services to the right-of-way line, which is not the case. I'm assuming that's the discussion or the decision that the council's going to be considering. Um and again, mixed bag. There's advantages, disadvantages both ways. Um I think Mr. Johnson referenced the the the burden to the property owner. Absolutely, if you have to dig up Highway 57, knock on wood, we just replace that, but that's going to be a you know, a sizable um cost. We have a petition waiver program, but at the end of the day, that's still an individual's cost. Um and then we talk about, well, what do we have to do? Do we have to go on and fix everybody's service up? Well, no, we don't do that with our mains now, right? We don't have an endless amount of the taxpayers' money to do that. So, um we could lay out advantages, disadvantages to that. And again, do we look at a service again in the Service Assured? That I don't think that's what it's called that we we talked about at one point. Um you know, what do you what do you guys interested in hearing? Or if you don't want to ask to put the time in, then I don't necessarily want to put the time in if if that's not something the council's interested in hearing. And again, one council member that's, you know, brought it up. And I'm not trying to, you know, I want at the council consent before we put a bunch of time into, you know, a big report or something, or maybe that's not what Mr. Johnson is looking for, either. So, I'll be a pause there. Is that correct, or >> Yeah, and then I can just add why I don't like the policy the way it is, right? Um and I wrote something in in here in the summary of the issue. Um and I'll elaborate a little bit in that um uh We like to use this word ownership when we're talking about this line under the road, but from basically any definition of ownership, it's not really owned by the property owner, because they don't have any rights at all. They cannot access it without permission. They cannot alter it. They cannot uh move it. They cannot choose to give it up. They can't sell it. Like I believe the law says that inside the city limits, if you're hooked to the city's system, you cannot legally opt out anymore. So, not only are people who are hooked up, they're they're forced to stay hooked up and pay the service. If a repair needs to be made, they're forced to pay it. And and I don't know what the rule is here, but in a lot of places, they're also not allowed to fix it themselves. They're forced to hire a licensed contractor to do it. Um so, to me, none of that is ownership. Basically, the city says, "You own it, so you got to pay for it, but you have to ask us for permission to do anything." Which to me is is like an ethical moral uh situation, and I just I don't think that's right. We shouldn't be saying that they own this, but they have no rights whatsoever. Secondly, and what's probably more concerning is the the burden that it puts on the one person who's unfortunate enough in town to have it happen to them. Cuz realistically, how often that line breaks from the main to the curb stop is probably fairly small. It doesn't happen very often, I would guess. But when it does, since it's that burden is taken on by one person, and depending upon what road they're on, you know, they got to dig up the road, replace the road to the standards it was at. Um obviously go through all the paperwork and permitting necessary to get the city to approve it and inspect it. Whereas for the city, the actual cost burden is relatively minimal compared to the total size of how much budget our streets department has. We've already got the staff and the knowledge to do the work and repairs. It could get done quicker up to the curb stop, at least, if there was an issue in that location. And And ultimately, I think it's just that we're talking and I've not not had to do this before, but I'm guessing it's in the order of 10 to 30,000 dollars, depending upon where you're located, what road you're under, the conditions of the soil, whatever the case may be. And that's that's a that's immense, I think, to to put on a single property owner and when they have a stroke of bad luck and it happens to be them. Um I noticed in our packet we had two water main breaks happen over the last Well, at least they got paid recently, right? One of them was for we had a $10,000 bill. Um that one you said it was on the end of a cul-de-sac or something, right? So, that's a water main, right? So, that's not the section we're talking about. But still, right? I assume the road got dug up, it got repaired, and everything put back the way it was. Right? So, $10,000 and then uh the ma- major one over here by Burger King, I guess. Um that one was a little over 20, 25,000. Right? So, if using that as like a range, if that's what we'd expect a homeowner to have to pay if if they were the unfortunate one that had an issue like that's that's a lot to ask, I think, where I think the city could absorb that a lot easier. Um and again, I don't know how often it happens, so I kind of that's why I put in here like maybe we need to look at how often these breaks happen, how much they cost, and how much excess that would be on the department um in order to uh kind of keep us a level cost if we make this change. >> What brought this on? >> Huh? >> What what spurred this on? >> Nothing in particular. Just I learned of this policy and then just to me it just clicked like this doesn't sound fair, right? Like if it's something if it's something that I I suppose that they own, I should be able to like inspect it and look at it and do something about it without having to you know, ask for permission. It just It just feels wrong. And then when I started digging into it, I found out that this is relatively commonplace across the country. Um the government gives the city the authority to do this. Um and the courts have upheld held it. Um though I have seen that some cities have started changing their policy. Um which again is why I asked uh the city engineer who probably knows a lot more about this thing, whether there's what the situation is in our area, and what pros and cons might there be other than you know, what just comes to my head. Um I had another point, but I just forgot it. So, uh >> And then one item on that, the city doesn't repair them. The city hires a contractor. The city doesn't have the capabilities to do repair those, to tear out roads, and >> So, when the water main breaks, we don't have guys go to >> We hire a contractor. >> Okay. >> That's why you see it in there as a bill. >> Okay. So, we but we go out and we at least have ways to shut off the water and divert it so it's not just going everywhere, right? >> Correct. Yep. >> And then I assume we've got contacts, we can call them up and get them out here in a week or a couple days. >> You got it. >> For a homeowner, >> We can. >> how long's it going to take a homeowner to get somebody to come out, get them a quote, get it signed off by the city? Like there's the city has a scale and and contacts to get stuff done a lot quicker and probably more efficiently than an individual homeowner does. >> Did we know of a single incident when this has been when this has happened and it was something that the homeowner had to deal with? >> Yeah, I mean yeah, they're lining and replacing services like sanitary services all the time. Um same thing with the water. Yeah, the homeowners are and um curb stops, you know, we we operate them but don't own them to to Paul's point. So if that breaks then they're replacing them so yeah, it does happen. >> I I've done a lot of work with the Service Assured. >> Is that it? >> A lot of water main replacement in Rochester Service Assured. We used to come in behind them and I've been on quite a few of those jobs but it is a good point. Um I remember one customer, the shutoff was out in the cul-de-sac. His bill was 45,000 to fix that cul-de-sac twice. Broke past that the other time. He was still on the hook. There's their stuff is set up that it used to be you had to join it. Which was a pretty good deal. It was like $2.50 a month added to your bill. I did it one of my customers, she figured it out. It took 47 years for her to pay that back at the $2. Her bill was about 13, 14,000 to fix her driveway with the cuz usually, you know, you'd stand a 50/50 shot of it. It's either in the yard or it's in your driveway. The Service Assured covers that. Um so then they went to their program now is uh everybody is included. It's just citywide. And then if you don't like it, you can opt out. Just better hope nothing ever happens. I mean, that's pretty cheap insurance. I don't know how ours you guys were setting it up. >> Yeah, I know we talked about it over uh you know, when and you know, council's talked about it. It's it's one of those things where there's always people that like it and don't like it. Like I think if if the council, you know, I look at the financial aspect of it. You know, the fairness argument, I understand, you know, obviously, you know, I don't want to have that kind of a bill on myself, right? That's very fair to consider. The financial aspect of it is the liability that's created when we start to assume that. I think that if you were going to implement a change, you would definitely want to implement that that reinsurance program. You know, it is a because what you're doing is you're spreading that cost out there. Because you're saying, okay, you know, individual homeowner, it's just like any insurance, right? The big insurance company, you get in a car accident, well, everybody's paying their premiums and not everybody has an accident every day. So, that's how they're able to make it work. The same thing would be true here. If if if we decide to take on additional liability, which is what we'd be doing, and we'd be acknowledging, yep, we're going to take more of this liability than we have right now, then you'd want to say, well, how are we going to pay for that extra liability? And and I think that is a good it is a good method. So, and we do have that framework from Rochester. We know how it works. Um, you know, and I think we could do it with water, sewer, and probably electric, too. I think they do all three of them over there. And and that way, you know, if somebody does opt out, that's the concern is how do we manage that person? Because they're still going to have that $40,000 bill or whatever it is. You know, if we're doing the curb stops, maybe it costs them a little bit less, but >> But you can Can you Now, I don't know if you can. Can you just line item it on everybody's account and don't give them the option >> we are. What you do is it's an opt out now. So, you know, you say, "Hey, you have to opt out." And that's how Rochester does it. They just automatically put it on there and then you have to go up there and say, "No, I don't want to participate in this reinsurance program." >> Would you have As long as you had a legal document that they signed saying they opted out then they >> Then it would be on it would be on them potentially still. And I think that would be a way for us to mitigate a lot of the risk to the city, the assumed risk, you know, financially. >> Yes. >> You know, what's going to end up happening is you're going to have this kind of slope curve, right? What'll happen is right away, you know, you know what'll happen. The first year you'll probably spend a couple hundred thousand dollars, you know, because I know that like I don't Those bills that we have are probably not the last bills. Cuz I know that 4th Street, which is a big big water main break that we had, is going to have to be rebuilt professionally. Like we're not going to be rebuilding that because we had a big water main break. We're going to have to bring somebody to repay that and re-curb it to a certain extent. And um you know, the county or the state came in and redid that panel on 57. That's why it was traffic was diverted a couple weeks ago up here. And so I don't think we've seen the last of those bills. So that's just two our main breaks themselves. And that's probably more like $50,000 a piece. So yeah. So I mean, you want to be able to say and I would even say and I mean Sarah is here, too. Financially, what we would probably do is we would probably set aside some money for the first year or two to try and mitigate any impact to the overall budget. We'd say it cuz I mean, otherwise like a good example is those water The water budget for water main breaks is out. Like they're You know, Charlie came in the other day and said we're broke. Now we're not broke, but but that aspect of their budget has been exhausted already and we're only in, you know, end of May. So we won't see as many in the summer. A lot of it has to do with water main breaks or heat, you know, it's the weather related. And we had a weird spring with weather cuz we had warm and we had cold, but um so to to Paul's point, like if you guys did decide to do that, I strongly would encourage us to look at the financials of it and say, "Okay, we'll do a set aside to make sure we're covered in those departments for the first year or two and then start having that insurance program where we would allow for some additional funds to come in to spread that risk out over a larger pool of people." >> And it is a I want to Paul's points, too, that you brought up in there is you know, it does fall upon hiring a contractor. Well, what you're dealing with is you want to be licensed and reputable for that because, you know, last thing you need is somebody back feeding something into them our main water. That could hurt a lot of people. So, you know, that's why they're so heavy on regulations on what they do and who's going to do it, licensed. So which you get licensed and it costs money. And that contractor is going to cost more money. >> I mean, what plus if we did assume those responsibilities though is we would we would be able to have hopefully a consistent contractor. I mean, we would probably would you know, instead of having to cuz with a petition waiver program you know, there's positives to that, too. You know, like you go out, you pick the contractor, you know, we sign the agreement and then we pay it to that directly to the contractor, so we know the work got done. But, that's the you know, that's the kind you know, if we had someone who consistently we were working with, it'd probably be a over time a smoother relationship. Okay, they they would know like when we call, they need to answer the phone because it's a good you know, employment aspect for them. They somebody might even be able to run their business off of more of that kind of customer base. So, it would probably behoove us to look at a a contractor that we would have set up already ahead of time. Just for consistency and for the time timeline of it. I don't Ryan, you got any thoughts? >> I I I don't have a problem with the idea. I think it's great to look into. I think we should. My my concern is we talked about doing something similar with even garbage, having one universal garbage company. And the uproar from people that we would even suggest trying to save them money and not give them that voice and choice. So, I think if we go this route, we want to be very cognizant that we want to explain it to people what the bill would be for, how much it would be. My my question is, well, Rochester has 170,000 people. How many households? That might be $3 a month to someone. Would that cost still be the same here or would it be much higher because we're a smaller base? >> Well, there I know we did like we average about 98 water main breaks in there, just the ones that I work for. Then you've got there's other companies. S&L does a lot. You know, uh Byron guys. I mean, there's their shared over there's like four or five different concrete or contractors that are in Rochester fixing >> the work. >> But, 90, I mean, we average about 90, 98, 92 a year. >> Yeah. >> And that's just a portion of what they >> Like I said, I think that it would ramp down. I mean, I think you initially would probably see some issues. And then hopefully your worst you know, connections would be already taken care of. You know, so I mean the fullness of time hopefully the pro I mean you want the program to be at least proven a neutral. I don't want to be you know, losing money on something that that we're we're creating. And that would be something we would just have to figure out over time. I mean I think obviously I want to try and keep it initially as low as we possibly could. So what we would say is we'd say, "Okay, you know, work with Brandon say, "Okay, let's estimate maybe there's going to be 10 service replacements in the first year and optimistically, right? And they each cost $20,000. Okay, well now we got to generate $200,000. Go back and say, "Okay, we have 3,000 connections in town. And divide by 12 months and I mean I could probably do that math here if I brought the calculator up. But I mean something along those lines would be what we'd want to try and figure out. And after a year or two we're going to have a better idea of how much utilization we're seeing. >> We do have a lot of people that are concerned with our water rates and our sewer rates and our electric rates and every rate. So I don't have a problem with the opt-out concept if we look into it and we have a plan. I just don't want to add that extra cost, the monthly cost and then people are more upset that we've added another fee even though it's like an insurance. I I I don't think it's a bad idea at all. I think it's actually a good idea. >> Well, I like the idea that the opt-out is there then. >> Right. >> So those people can opt out if they if they don't want to pay the fee, but then the people cuz the what I'm more concerned with is like Old Casson, right? This this our starter home area. That's where the lower generally I would guess the lower income people start. And the smaller houses in Old Casson and that's the places where I assume are going to have the most issues cuz they got the older service lines. So those are the people that at least can can at least afford it, too. Right? So I And maybe that maybe home owners insurance has stuff like that, but to me like it comes back to again like the property owner has no actual right to actually do anything about it. Um So that like combination of like we need to help protect the people who who can least help themselves because of their situation and then also like have a little more fairness in the sense that you know the right of way is is essentially not private property. So anything underneath the right of way just like anything above the right of way should also not be private property. >> Every person that opts out would then increase the cost for everyone else in that program. >> Yeah, or that would be the thorn in the side for that because depending on how many people did >> I mean if you increase the liability that's a choice you make, you know, and and you know, we all make choices on different things. So you know, I can see both sides of it, you know, like I don't want to increase the city's liability more but I also want to help our residents cuz that's what we're here for if we can spread out that cost and kind of institutionalize it a little bit. So >> What are the what are the costs that we think we'd encourage just looking into this and researching it coming with a dollar figure a price per month and if we did not just sewer we did electric we did the whole kitten caboodle like you had mentioned Rochester does. What are we looking at cost wise for that something like that and timing? >> Well, I mean we as staff I mean I think we would absorb some of the cost. I don't know Brandon's time, you know, Brandon you're going to be looking at comparisons with other cities and things like that potentially right? If that's what the council wants to do I think that's kind of what they're talking about right now. >> Yeah. >> Um you know, I think on the finance side of it you know, we will I don't think it'll be an extra cost to to to that. We'll do some research and try to come up with some we'll come up with some kind of number. I can't guarantee it's you know, accurate 100% because it's it's a hypothetical. And you know, uh anyway, hypothet- you know, President Reagan said I don't ever get in trouble if I don't answer a hypothetical question and there's some truth to that. Like I that I don't know what the right answer would be always but you know, we'll do the best we can you know, on on trying to figure out what'll be a good number. >> Have other cities grandfathered back a certain period a year or two or someone's already paid in cuz if I just had a water main break and I just paid 20 grand a year ago >> Sure. That's >> I'm going to be why would I want to opt into this when I just gave the city 20,000 to fix this? How do we >> My service line just got replaced, too. As part of the 57 project, but >> Do you have a new service line? >> I've got a I mean, they replaced it as part of the project, right? All the way up to the to the stop, right? So, it's not doing me any benefit, right? So, I'm only in this to help everybody else. >> And it doesn't necessarily mean that say you have a new a brand new service. I mean, I've seen this You know, it just happened in Byron not too long ago. We were over there. Brand new development, ran copper copper water lines in, thought it was really good. Soil over there ate holes in it. Brand new development. 10 houses. >> Yeah. >> Almost at the same time. All junk. Had to replace everything. >> Wow. >> They don't have anything like that? Yeah, city ate it. On that, it was it was nasty cuz it got into the street, curb and gutter, brand new driveways, brand new development. But, I mean, there's just you always got to keep in the back of your mind just because you've got a pretty new service doesn't necessarily mean you're immune to problems. There's other things rather than just breaks, there's the stuff that gets put in the ground, you know, things change all the time. I mean, Brandon can probably attest to that. You know, products are products change. Some hold up better than others. Some are in it for the long haul, some just don't work as good over a long period of time, but I mean, there's there's that to think about, too. I mean, I'm I'm kind of torn up about it, too, because it's, you know, who wants to add more cost every time? I've just seen some things that it's like, oh, maybe that's not the worst decision in the world. Um spreading it out. Um just things happen, you know, the bigger the city gets, the more problems we're going to have with infrastructure. That's just >> And we're going to add another water tower on the south side. I don't know what the water pressure is going to do on the south side. I don't know. I mean that would be one of my questions is you know that south work has got you know a different setup because it's private roads, private water. You know that will be something that will be interesting to see how that goes with a totally different configuration because even the way they do pipes with the south home in some of those cases isn't the same. So >> I mean it seems like there's some interest in doing some research on it. >> They probably would be excluded from the program. >> If it's private services. This would cover main parts. You know and if they were private >> If the city doesn't own the right away then >> Right. Just doesn't apply, right? >> You can start getting into water main breaks are one thing if there's in a little particular area or but when you start getting into the other stuff I I felt really bad for those people. I mean we went to bat for them with the city because it it's just almost $80,000. Didn't The guy was crying. I mean it was bad. He couldn't afford it. And it if that stop would have been in his yard he wouldn't have to cover any of it. But why it was in the middle of the cul-de-sac and that happened back then you know could happen I'm sure there's some here that aren't they're not placed in all the right spots. I mean some some we can't even find some of them. I mean we were just up by the fairgrounds and next thing you know I have half the driveway tore up and cuz we can't find the shutoff. And I mean we had a break on 34 where it took them the whole day to find one it wasn't wasn't one they found. I mean it was one that they had to call a retired staff member and Dan Trap remembered there was a shutoff over there behind that tree over there. >> Yeah. That's exactly >> Exactly how he said it and then we're like oh there it is. >> I remember >> Otherwise you know that was Linden Manor that was shut off maybe two months ago. So yeah I mean Yeah. >> So like my shutoff for my house is in my lawn. So, does that mean from there to the house is mine or is it from the street to us? >> from the street. You own from the main underneath the road in the public right-of-way. Your curb stop and then everything on your private property. >> the other question is if you do it to where you were going to do it under the right are you going to foot this insurance or are you going to cover it all the way to the house now? >> Well, potentially, yeah. >> No, it would cover >> My My recommendation would be cover it to the end of the right-of-way, which I think for most boulevarded areas is going to be the edge of the sidewalk, and that's where the curb stop should be, and if it's not, I would assume we would put it there if we ever had to do a replacement. >> Cuz the the odds of it breaking under the street are a lot more slim than versus it breaking in my lawn. If I'm going to pay insurance, I'd want it to have to go all the way to my house. >> Yeah, but the cost for you to dig up your yard versus the cost to dig up the street is a lot different. >> Yeah, but I'm just saying, if I'm going to pay insurance, I want it to cover it all the way to the house. I'm not going to pay insurance just to cover the street. >> But that's where the education component comes in of explaining to people what it is now versus >> Cuz, you know, I'm going to dig up my lawn. >> All right. The only problem with that is once it goes to the house. So, usually they're covered to the to the shut-off for the water box. Everything to that out into the road is goes under that service assured, but once it hits that and if it's faulty because we've had to go back in and once we hit that water box shut-off, but it was broken past that, we'd pull in new lines, but that usually the problem with that gets into the basements and they're not always right just inside the wall. Some of them are clear crossed. Well, you're jackhammering up somebody's brand new basement, so that that should be, I think, you know, it could Who knows when the who the builder was, who was concrete guy, who was excavator, that kind of stuff. Do is that something that they Did they put a foundation right on top of the water line cuz they didn't feel like digging any deeper or I mean so but when you get out into the road right away, those were contractors that were hired but were they did a pretty good job, I'd have to say. You know, they they do that every day. The ones that come into the house sometimes I've seen a lot of shady stuff. So, but you don't want to be getting into where you have to You're in there jack You want to replace it to the water meter. The problem is going to be you got a finished basement. It wouldn't take you long to do a $100,000 of replacement just inside the house if you had to jackhammer the floor up, take out sheetrock and walls and whatever to get to that thing. That would be a >> Cuz the concern is you know, probably 30% of people have their shutoffs in their driveway. >> Yes. >> Which now if you got to fix it at the curb but now if it's the homeowner's once you break let's say you open it up and under the street and find it there but then you find it gone bad up to there and you got to dig that out. That's another 10 to 15,000 dollars the homeowner would have to pay and they were going to assume they had insurance for it. >> Yeah, I mean like like somebody said I think that's where you educate I can't imagine that we would want to go in I mean I'm just thinking of my own water that's in my you know, laundry room or whatever in the basement like Yeah, if we there's no way we'd be going all the way through my garage my basement into the other room, you know, that would be cost would be extreme. >> Oh, man. >> So, yeah, I mean you would have to you'd have to draw a line in the sand and say okay, it's it's at this point. You have to communicate to people and if they want, you know, and that would be where an exception like that would be where a petition waiver might be the way we'd go, okay, where we're saying okay, now that extra 15,000 dollars or 10,000 dollars then we're going to have to do a petition waiver and we assess it back to you over a 15-year period and try to ameliorate those additional costs because I My opinion would be not to to go any further than that cuz I just don't I don't see that that would be >> But see that's where it's going to get muddy with people and >> I think we just I think communication is the key in all of them. >> But yeah, cuz people are going to assume they're paying insurance or they're paying for everything and you're going to have to lay it out and then they're not going to understand it. >> Yeah, but I mean I I I bet you if we had people here that we could ask most of them would have assumed that the stuff under the road wasn't their responsibility already. >> Right. >> Which isn't the case, right? So I think we're going to have difficulties either way. >> Most of them break right at the shutoff. It's usually the fittings. You know, >> But like Dan's, you know, yours in the yard to dig that up wouldn't be a bad fix at all. But if it was in your driveway, which you stand about a 50/50 shot of getting one in your driveway. Usually right there it freezes deeper because it's always cleared off. You get a lot more heaving and that's usually where they break or if the lid comes off and ice gets down in there and somebody drives on it or you know, even during the construction part of it in the driveway, skid loader over it, pushing down on that usually weakens it. But most of them are right at the right out of the shutoff is where we dig most of them up. That's usually you know, they'll start coming right up out of there, but usually past that there's never as many problems, you know, but there are some. >> Well, I think back to your question, I think there was an interest in it. I think we could probably bring this back into the work session maybe our work session and >> Yeah, I think maybe starting with RPU services shared would be a good maybe starting point and we can adjust from there because I'm just struggling I'm going to struggle on my end of like, all right, where are where are we going down, what level? I mean, I got a little better idea tonight, but um and I don't think the sanitary sewer is included with services shared. It's just water and electric, I understand. So that builds another question if we do anything with that, maybe there's an appetite to do that. So then how does that work? And then we're talking about sewer backups and liability. I mean, this is there's a lot to this discussion, a lot more than just conceptually I may not disagree with Paul of like, hey let's just maintain the stuff in the road cuz it costs a lot. Well, yes, but there's you know, assessments. We assess for that. You know, that's a benefit that you would not be able to argue anymore. Those sort of things are all important. >> When you're doing, I know you want to get that RPUs part, but can you kind of do a back check and see how many water services have been replacing cast iron in the last 10 years? Or 5 years? >> We'll see what we can find. >> I'm just curious, you know, if there's one or if there's five. >> Oh, there's more than one. I know that there's been a number of them in town, but I know there's been a number of them in town, but >> I was just north of Hy-Vee last summer had their entire yard dug up all the way to the house to the road. I remember biking past it for a couple of weeks wondering how long it was going to take them to get it put back together. >> Yeah, I mean I don't think we've had any this year yet, but I know we've petitioned waivered probably with >> In three or four years since I've been here. >> I've had 20 in the last 5 years. >> I'd like to know if the cost of the programs has gone up over time or that stays the same every year cuz if it continues to go up it's >> Rochester's increased it some over the time period, which makes sense considering I mean cuz 5 years ago labor was X. >> Yeah. >> And then then if we after we see all the the numbers and data, then how would we present that so that people can come talk to us about it cuz that would be a big change and again, we have people concerned about any type of increase in billage. I think this would behoove us if we do move to anything, we do have those conversations and I'm guessing it'll be a vote we'd have to have what people come talk about it and >> I don't I mean certainly whatever you guys want to do. I mean I think getting to the the the main aspect of it. I think if that works, maybe we'll talk about it. And is that going to be time frame is that enough time for you? A couple weeks? We get some basics on. >> Yeah, I might Yeah, I mean I'd at least get RPUs services shared down. >> Yeah, and maybe if it's possible to look for you know, if you can give me an idea of what other cities in our region might have. >> Yeah, we have some of the lead service line stuff, but we were looking at ordinances cuz we had to declare that for lead service lines in the old third ward. >> So, I think it'd be interesting to see what some of the other cities are doing, too, cuz I mean I've been in other communities that do it differently, too. >> Sure. So. >> Or a city our size cuz it's going to cost people different than people in Rochester. You just have more people to spread the wealth. >> And it took them a long time to get that thing to work. I mean it it's not easy. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's it. >> When I lived in Rochester, that was coming out. That was >> Yeah. >> the other component >> 20% staffing on the city side of things, too, and managing that. So, now it's new program, right? Staff time there, too, is not not insignificant, so. >> I think that's why they went to opt in everybody in and then just if you if you had a problem with it, just sign these papers and you're clear. But even just the fact of even a small town like this, even if there was something, say it covered from the shutoff out into the road cuz let's face it, road construction is just a killer for cost. You know, >> Yeah, it'd be nice if it included the shutoff in your yard or driveway. >> Yeah, if it got up to that, and you know, if it did get to that, at least they're not trying to mess with the road stuff, either. They're hiring somebody and then do we really Who do we want working on that road? >> Right. >> You know, we the one other I get advantage to it, I guess I just thought of, too, is that's the thing that the everybody's vetted through the city that's going to do the work as far as in the road right-of-ways and stuff. >> Yeah. >> We're going to know who it is, what they're doing, and you know, do they have a bond, or are they bonded with, you know, do they have insurance, or you know, who's digging that up? >> Yeah. >> No, I mean that's kind of I think the consistency factor, yeah, you you know, the insurance part of it, too, is you know, we require insurance with contractors who are working for us, you know, and >> Be there or there about that. You know, water tower, so yeah. >> Same thing here. >> Okay. All right. We'll wait till we get some info from you in June at our work session, which is 5:00? >> That's right, 5:00 on 17th. >> Don't forget that in June 5:00 work session. >> Oh, where did you find that agenda request form? I've never seen that. >> Tim mailed that out emailed that out sometime ago and I went >> Oh, I must have not seen that email. >> send it to you again, I'm sure. >> Oops. Just delete that part. >> Well, we got a round table now that you can kind of do the same thing, so. >> All right. Sorry, Mayor, you said the work session is June >> June 17th. >> That's right. Is it just before the council meeting? >> yep. And then council's at 6:00 p.m. >> June 17th. Work session. Can make sure I get that in my calendar. Okay. >> Tim will send us out a reminder when it gets closer. >> I sure will. >> I'll check my email. >> Cuz the summer months we only have the one meeting, so it's >> Right. >> twice nice to send a friendly reminder for us people that forget when meetings are. >> Yeah, you know. >> All right, next up uh review of the 2026 >> Yeah. >> CIP, capital improvement plan. >> Sure. So, included in your package you've got uh the CIP um and I appreciate Sarah. She helped uh put together this year um while I was out of the office this spring. Um she did a lot of work trying to make sure everybody's was up to date and uh so included in there you've got updates for a number of categories. Um you know, she went through and kind of cleaned up some of the things that were done. We took them out and we added new ones. Um you know, we want to bring this to you just so you can kind of see what we're talking about. You know, a couple of highlights um you know, we do have some projects we'll be talking about a little bit. Um First and Second Northwest right now is one of the street projects that's being contemplated that'll come up at the work session in uh next month. Um and that project potentially would be a two-year you know, two-year project or a uh we'd split it in half and it still might be two seasons depending depending on how it goes. Um a big a big project in town here, obviously. Folks that lived through the Third, Fourth, and Fifth, that was uh you know, it was was highly interruptive, but also a really good project in the fullness of time. Um, you've got the fire department, police department, both have a number of things that they're looking at um, in addition to their their their maintenance. Um, you can see that new truck schedule for the fire department there. We've got a couple of Um, the good news is with the replacement of the Yukon through the fleet program this year, we actually don't have anything on that schedule until 2029. So, that is a positive. Um, so we'll have a couple years hopefully where we we don't have some large real large capital cost there. Uh, streets and public works as I mentioned, you've got the the this year's projects are pretty small. We're finishing up the uh, South of Reese reconstruct, finishing up that 16th Street um, extension. We've got the um, seal coating, which you'll see those bids later in the packet here. We've got the street maintenance program this year. And then the long-term projects, you've got the you kind of got the the realest there. Um, and then some of the equipment needs. So, one of those is is a used grader. We have one that's continuing to work, but it's one that we know we you know, it's a I think it's a '99 or 2000 model and it's so it's definitely at the end of its life expectancy there. So, we're we're potentially going to try and buy a nicer newer newer used um, grader. Doesn't get a lot of use outside of the snow season, but it works really well during the snow season. Um, so park and rec, uh, we have the pool bond that's going to be expiring here in the next 2 years and then I think that the you know, so we're going to be putting some additional money into maintenance next 2 years to try and try and prevent having to bond for that one for a couple more years if we can prevent um, some failures. I know um, that'd be ideal. One of the projects I feel really good about, the library. Um, not perfect, but we haven't had the big structural issues that they did since those projects were done. So, you know, you can see on there, you know, uh, um, the director there, you know, you know, mold is something we do have to check on. You know, there is some water that uh, gets in and out, but we haven't had any dripping. It's some of it is still something that we may may have been from previous to the the project's completion. Um, they looked at some lighting out there. Think they may move forward with that in the future. Um, the water tower in the southeast is on, you know, as you know is is uh in progress for the water department. Uh, let's see here. Personnel, you know, right now we consider ourselves fully staffed. Um, we do have some staff turnover coming up potentially in the next 2 years. Um, not so much hopefully in the departments, but somebody might be leaving us here in a year or two. I don't know. We'll see. You know, phased retirements are always good, right Linda? You know. We'll see. She'll be phasing it out in Punta Cana or something like that. Anyway, um, you can see that uh the sewer plant thankfully with the reductions in I&I we've been able to extend the the life of that a little bit in terms of not having to hopefully do a big big project again um, for a while. The longer we can um, ameliorate those issues the the longer we would love to do that. The reed beds, we know that's in the back of our minds too. That um, that may have to be that that solution may have to be redone. The state's changing some of their guidance on the that sort of uh the reed beds. Electric is one of the big ones I want to highlight. Um, we have, as you know, as part of that rate study we did last year, we have some big projects in electric. One of those is the substation. We're hoping that we'll be able to order parts for that um, starting this year and it will necessitate some um, some bonding for that. Um, right now the the system has no debt, which is ideal. It has a good uh debt coverage, so we won't have to be looking at any rate adjustments for the initial uh borrowing. We'll cover that with our current um, rates. Um, so that that's ideal. Eventually we may want to look at a second substation. That's something that the uh the folks at Excel and and uh at uh Sempra, who both have lines going through town have said that in this area that would be a benefit to provide that extra coverage in case of emergency or something like that if one of the subs goes out. So, anyway, um, we're looking at probably about 9 and 1/2 million later this fall for borrowing for the electric department. Um, we'll work with Mr. Rubani and um, the folks at David Wright if we do bring that issue to you, uh when we bring it to you. Um stormwater, there is uh that potential uh southwest uh water retention project. Um and then of course there's uh always the arena there, which you know, that's something we have to keep an eye as well for capital issues. Uh liquor store um thankfully was redone recently, so that isn't a huge issue. And then the cemetery, we continue to maintain that. Um one project that I know Ian's working on right now is um doing some pricing on potentially looking at a columbarium. We see a a much higher interest in the cremations now than we did historically. I think it's almost like 70/30 now or even a little higher than that. And I expect as um you know, as it continues there probably will be even more of that, so one thing we'd possibly do to some of the some of the sites on the east side of the cemetery which are not owned by anyone, we might potentially just uh take those out of service for in-ground burials and build put a columbarium. And I think it's like 120 uh the one one of the ones you're looking at is 120 potentially, so might extend the life of the usability of that space, so anyway, it's a potential. No no idea. I don't know what it cost. Ian's working on it like I said, so um with that I think that's kind of the review. If there's any questions anybody has right now, I'd be glad to take those. Otherwise, I know that the work session uh especially on the street side, Brandon's going to highlight some other things next month. Anybody got anything? And again, thank you to Sarah for helping to put that together. I really appreciate it. >> Has the public works looked at another dump truck with a belly plow if they can't find a grader? >> Um you know, we haven't yet. I think they're anticipating still being able to do the grader, but that's something they can look at if we don't find anything this year. >> Okay. Cuz I know they they were quite pleased with the capabilities of the new plow this year. >> Yeah, it worked really well this year. I think the idea is to probably use that >> are able to drive that versus a grader. >> Sure. No, it doesn't take quite as much training. Um I think the idea would be try to find a used grader and if if the grader we have fails, we're going to use it until it fails, and then if it fails we would try and lease potentially lease for a month or two in the winter to get through the winter season. If for example, it failed in December next year, we would try and lease for, you know, January, February, and then um look at another option if if we can't we got something to purchase. Um the nice thing is that sometimes it works well well, you know, we have the like street construction people use the grader in the summer and then it might be available for lease in the winter months. So, there might be some ability to at least in the short term kind of handle that. So, >> I was just curious. I know they were >> Oh, absolutely. >> Please do that. My only question was on sidewalks. Do we have I know it's not uh it was not part of it, but we Do we have a final consensus on the three or four properties that don't have sidewalk? >> I've heard from one. And we have the public hearing set. They all got letters saying this is it. Uh there's a public hearing on June 17th. >> Yep. >> And we'll have an assessment uh list and we'll have uh I I'll get with Charlie to make to find out what the cost would be for each property. Yeah. And we'll have that ready for each property owner. >> Yep. Any other questions? Okay. We'll move on to administrator's report. >> All right. Uh let's see. A few high things to highlight here, kind of high level. Legislature completed their work. Uh no special sessions, nothing like that. And uh a lot of people have been uh really positive about uh the bonding bill that came out. Um so, that uh for a lot of folks that was a big deal. Um we didn't have any projects included this year. I think that we would probably include our sewer interceptor project in the next bonding bill proposal in 2028. There were a lot of uh individual projects for different communities that were included this year, many more than I expected. A lot of ice arenas up north and fire halls and it's all good. It's all good. It's all going to help people out, I'm sure. But, there's no reason that we can't look at trying to get some funding out of the state for our interceptor project, too. Um So, yeah. That That was probably the big highlight was the legislature approved that. There's a 1-year reduction in vehicle tabs. Uh well, so that's that's nice for for next year. Uh I know that uh who did I talk to? Somebody told me that they had a new truck and it was $1,000 for their tabs this year for uh for a new truck. And I know having a 2004 station wagon for, you know, 10 years before I, you know, got married and my wife decided I need a better car, you know, it was like down to the minimum $55. So, now anybody who has a new vehicle, that's, you know, I think ours is like 400 on our one of our other ones. So, it has gotten ex- ex- pretty high. So, that'll be nice for 1 year, but that was $250 million and it's uh going to be gone then. Uh let's see, what else? Uh the homestead credit for folks who uh have uh uh property tax issues or they have a big increase in their property taxes, they can file from the state, too. Um so, hopefully that's something that people can take advantage of. Did you have a question, Dan? >> No. >> No. Okay, good. You kind of uh caught my eye here. You were like >> No, I'm just reading and things. >> Sure. Uh Compass, we had a good meeting there. Um they are looking at uh some different options for uh some staffing. Going to be looking at adding a new person in the metro. Otherwise, that's that's going well. Um Ice Arena Board, we met and had a good discussion with them. Um You know, it looks like there's approximately a $30,000 uh loss for last year. So, that's something that in the it's part of our agreement we've split in the past. Uh the County Board rejected installation of those solar panels that we had a grant for, so um You know, I think we're going to continue to have some discussions with them about different things throughout the rest of this year. Uh public safety, some good things there. Uh filing, uh most of you probably have seen um our our representative um in the Senate, Carl Nelson's retiring. Um so, she's not seeking re-election, so it sounds like there are a couple people who are potentially running for that seat. Um the council mayor seats are not open this filing period. This is the county state and federal period. Um so our filing will be open on the 14th of July and it closes on the 28th of July. Um so so that's interesting there and then as well Commissioner Peterson who represents the south third of Casson is also not running for re-election. So Um those are highlights. The audit was moved to the 17th because able to complete their work as they continue their integration of the Smith Shaver staff and their software. So I I really wish it had been tonight. That was the plan but um hopefully um you know it'll all you know right now signs are good. Sarah's she's happy about it right Sarah? Not happy that it's late but you know a lot of the work is done so that's good. Um so we expect to have that at our next meeting at during the regular meeting we expect to have that presentation. Um then I did include a letter for uh the Vail property and I don't remember which year we completed that purchase. I don't Paul you might not have been on the council yet and I mean Sheldon you weren't. Um we bought that Vail property that's kind of where that subdivision has been developed out there. Part of that negotiation uh with the the Vail trust they wanted to have potential for naming rights for any sports complex that might be built in that area and at the time we had discussed it with them and we thought that that was okay. Um so not that there is anything necessarily planned at this point but they're closing out their trust now and this is a letter just going out to them letting them know that that's part of that agreement. So they needed that for their for their close out. Appreciate you bringing that to my attention Mr. Mayor. So Um other than that I think that's all I've got for administrator's report tonight. >> Um county? Oh that's true. >> Yes. Another thing. We did have a good meeting. We met with the uh the folks from the county. I got it right here and uh about the uh the sewer request for forgiveness. So I think we've come up with a solution for them uh where we'll work with them when they have a catastrophic failure. In this case it was a catastrophic failure of their their water main. So I think uh staff has the direction we need. So at this time we don't need to have any approvals from the council or the council for any forgiveness. So um Yes. >> I think when we last discussing that, we're talking about metering their sewer usage because they've got waters that's not going down the sewer. Did we come to a Yeah, I think >> I think that we came to a good conclusion. I don't think we're going to do separate meters, but I think that uh Mr. Harbaugh from the county um I think we'll be able to work with him on it, and I think that'll be a that'll be a good solution for us where we we shouldn't see those those big spikes for them usually, and I think it'll work out okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Tim. >> It says future sports complex in that letter. Current sports complexes would not count then, correct? >> No, I mean it's only at Lions Park. >> Only at the Lions Park, yeah. >> but so yeah, if we >> So, we're looking at changing the frisbee golf. Would that >> I don't think that's something that they'd be looking at since we already have that there currently. I think >> making sure. >> one thing I thought of is if we if we do end up having this the soccer fields down there, I mean, you know, that'd be a something like the Vail fields at Lions Park or something like that. And I don't think that would be a problematic thing to have a plaque put up or something like that. So, yeah. Good question, though. >> Okay, thank you. Uh engineer's report. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh two items tonight. Uh the first one that's in your council packet is the 2026 street maintenance project. Uh this is a budgeted item that I met with staff, um and we came up with uh a project here. Um and ultimately we quoted it out. Um before you um is some information then ultimately resolution to consider awarding the project. So, I'll jump in. First and foremost is the map. Uh you can see a map there. It's got some pretty different colors on there. Um the red stuff is crack filling and fog sealing and some trails. We have some older trails that are that are oxidized, so we'll fog seal them. We'll let them put oil on them um after we fill the cracks. So, that's the spot in red, uh which is doing majority, almost all of our older trails. Uh secondly, uh we have the Main Street portion from uh 57 to the west kind of through our core downtown. Um we're going to crack fill, chip seal on roadway. It was done some time ago, I think during COVID. Um then you see the second map there is actually re-striping that. Um there's been some complaints about the narrowness of the parking stalls in there, so we're going to widen those back up when after we re-stripe it. >> How many feet are you adding on there? >> And then that's going to eliminate about 13 stalls just due to widening those stalls out. We're going to have less, but we'll probably more usage uh cuz a lot of times they double park in those, so um widening those back out I think it's a reduction of 13 stalls. >> How many uh how many feet are you adding on, do you know? >> We're adding on to the width of the Uh it's just I can't remember. It's a couple feet. I'd have to look at it again. >> Okay. Not a big deal. >> Yeah, it's probably going to lose 13. It makes a a fair amount of pretty big difference, so >> We're not really losing the stalls though cuz most people are parking over the lines anyway. >> Correct. So it's probably not >> hard to park in them. >> They have added more parking behind or by the Legion. We did pave that. So there's more parking. >> So we think that that'll work. Um so that's that's also going to get re-striped. Again, that's from the uh roundabout Highway 57 through the west side of Mayo Clinic and into the core downtown we have parking. So um public works is also going to get there and do some patching before um that work happens and then obviously we'll have to work with the public if we're closing down Main Street or re-striping it and probably pushing traffic to one side or the other. So we'll have to work through them on that. That's included in the project. >> going to try to do that at the same time the county's doing 8th? >> Um haven't thought about that. That's a good point because Veterans Memorial Parkway is also going to have some roads uh some work done to it, so I will work with the county engineer on that. >> Okay. I just want to >> Yeah, so it'll be our striping from Main Street uh essentially from the trail on the north end of our 8th Street to the south around and Veterans Memorial over the railroad tracks around into 57. Um the concrete portion that they're going to do a fair amount of work too, so I haven't not talked to them on that, so I will do that and then work with them on the schedule. Um and then going maybe back to the first map there, the the other item that we we have on there is crack filling that's shown in blue. That's the third, fourth, and fifth area that we did I think in 2017 and 18. Um and then some stuff over um I think that's 6th on the east side of town that uh public works just um wanted to crack fill. So, that would crack fill some cracks on the ground. We're going to pour the tar in there and put the toilet paper everywhere to make a mess. Um but it does work pretty well. Um just one thing to note, um we are re-chip sealing Main Street because it did hold last time. Uh but in Southeast Minnesota and all of Minnesota for that matter, we've had a lot of failures in the chip sealing. So, this is where we put the oil down, put the chips down, run over it, um and then brush them back up. If you notice on 3rd Street Northeast, um we've had some pretty good roads that were built in the early 2000s actually start to delaminate and stuff. Pulls up and creates potholes. It's been pretty rough. Um or the golf cart golf course road, uh the Dodge County road, if you remember they milled and overlaid that because of the delaminating of those chips. So, we've pretty much eliminated that as an option on roads. Um generally we'd have said let's chip seal 3rd, 4th, and 5th, but if we tear up 32 blocks just because the chips don't hold, that's not a good spot that I want to be in and probably you as a council. So, um other communities have also abandoned it. I haven't got warm feelings from the chip people or MnDOT on what actually happened and why it's happening. So, something new in our industry that we're going to continue to monitoring. So, see how it goes. Um specifically I think on 3rd Street East uh Northeast, I think we're going to have to mill and overlay that roadway just cuz it's pretty rough. So, um we had did our road at a service there trying to do something that's been really good in the past. I was 100% behind chip seals up until now and now we're where we're running running kind of scared of it. So, that's just a note that we'll be monitoring as we move forward. So, um getting back to the second item there, the bid tab, uh so the tabulation that's just all of our pay items and how we pay it. See, we had three bids uh from Pearson's, Farner, um Allied, Durst, and Aztec did not bid the project. Um you can see the third item there, the resolution, um has the summary of those bids. Um our city budgeted item in my estimate was about 150,000. You can see the low bid that we're recommending nights from Pearson Brothers for 153,000 some change. Um so, that's what the resolution would ultimately um allow staff to enter into into a contract to complete the work this construction season. I'll pause there and see if you have any questions, comments. >> What's When do you think they'd be done with it all? >> Um we'll just see whenever they kind of fits their schedule. I mean usually come to town, I guess backing up. The other thing we have here is we kind of three phases project when we have the crack fill. And then we have the chip seal, and then we have to stripe, and the striping's likely going to be done by a different subcontractor, so it may be some kind of waves of work. Um so when are they going to be done? I don't know. We haven't put a real um tight schedule on them, but once we >> They're going to have to do it before it gets cold. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So we have a completion date, I don't ask me that date, um but on the back end of the fall season, so um we've left the general schedule pretty well open. So once we um move forward to that, I'll get a better idea cuz we'll have to do some coordination with the Main Street property owners cuz we know that that's um an issue to make sure we get get in there and get stuff done on Main Street. We did it during COVID, it worked really well cuz there wasn't a lot of traffic on Main Street, but now I got to worry about getting a lot more traffic than we do during COVID now, which is great. So we'll work with them once we get a contractor. >> Does anybody else got any questions? >> We How Do we know when they're going to close 16th to finish that? >> Uh yeah, so um 16th Street we told them it has to be closed um after school's out, so we're working with them on when they're going to come get that uh closure completed. >> Uh-huh. >> Um and then we'll likely close the east side, get the east side all built, and then reopen and do the west side western lane, so yeah, so that'll be happening here shortly. I just reminded myself too, I got to update the city website too cuz we have a construction um every spring we update it for construction, so I'll update that website, and then uh since we're talking about it, and we're looking for approval resolution, the water tower guys are coming I think next week, so you're going to see some action over there, so >> Awesome. >> Perfect. >> So you're looking for a bid uh approval for the bid. >> Motion to approve the resolution. Award. >> I'll make a motion to approve the resolution for bid. >> We have a motion, do we have a second? >> Yeah, I'll second. >> Thank you, Paul. All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? Thank you. All right, second item um is this more of a information item, and Ian, if you want to pull up in Teams there, I think you'll be able to see it up on the screen here. Uh but there's a link um to the city's GIS. I'm just giving you guys a general update tonight. Uh it's going to be kind of tough to see there, but I think maybe you can you can make maximize it maybe, Ian. Um essentially, what we've done is we've um taken over GIS um and working with public public um excuse me, public works more, including electoral department, water and sewer, um police department to basically kind of beef up our GIS, um which stands for geographic information systems, which is very powerful, right? So, um doing it one to serve the public, two to serve um our public works staff, and then allow developers some information to help out um their design squads. Um so, what we have is we have a general link that you have a link to that. Um I'm actually signed in, but it will be public, so there's some um this is publicly available. Um on here, we have um parcels, so you can see different parcels throughout town. You can click on them. Um here's the Hy-Vee store. Um finally, all the county parcel information that is also available on the the county's parcel um data that they have available. Um but then we also have like our zoning. Uh so, the zoning, so if you were interested in zoning um the city of Castle or a citizen and know what zone you're in, we have that. Uh we have the plats. Uh so, depending on your area and what was platted, so as your Castle has developed, we have different plats. We have civic information. We have some of our parks, um schools laid out in GIS, so if somebody wanted to come and learn about some civic stuff, um that's all available um to them. Um then have some contours if you're interested in contours. Um and then we also have some variances, so we've had some variances throughout town. Um so, you're able to click on that um and then go right to those variances um as needed. So, um kind of a cool feature there. Um we have also some more information. I'm going to switch now to the second layer. This is what um um administration has as just a viewer. Um public works also has this. Um and there's no editability. Uh we'll talk about editability next. Um and this is where we have a lot more. This is where the the fun stuff for the planners and engineers really like to play. Um so we have our sanitary sewer, storm sewer, water sewer systems. That's what you see here, all these pretty little lines in different colors. Uh we have that available also the contours. Um we also have our pace rating, which is the rating of our streets. So now public works staff is going to be able to um see the rating of our streets and what uh future maintenance um we're going to have out there. They can they can document water main breaks. Uh we also have the structures. Um didn't want to show the aerial map, you can look at the structures. Um then we have parcel labels, so we can uh um see who owns certain parcels. Uh so if we have a water main break or something happening here, we can turn that on. Um look at the parcel information. Um also plat zoning um and aerial. Uh something else is pretty cool. Um they can right-click in here and hit open in Google Street View. So if you're at the office um and want to see something uh from Street View, you can open that up if it's available. Um so it's pretty cool. Um you know, it gets public works pretty powerful, you know, either at their desktops or um the other thing is they have these all on their phones um and all their tablets that are hooked to the internet, so they're able to walk out um walk directly to a gate valve. So you can see this is 57 reconstruction, so we have the gate valves and the services all located, so they're able to, you know, water main break, walk to a valve. Um if it's snow-covered, walk to a curb stop. So pretty powerful stuff that um that we've made available to them. Um you know, I I kind of put it as we had a project early on in my uh career here on the city castle, we went to replace a water main that had already been replaced cuz we didn't have a good map of it, and it was like a $75,000 change order. Well, guess what? It's just paid for this to know what we have for information. Or the probably the most important actually clicked on this one is record drawing. So um where we had record drawings, we went scanned them all in, so now every record drawing we have throughout uh anything we could find is available via electronically and it's spatially available. So I can click on this pink layer here and find our latest 57 project, but old other projects that are now actually been replaced. So, you got to kind of work through it. Um but I can click on that and open a PDF directly um with that. Um same thing on our sanitary sewer, we can log when it was last jetted. Um so, if we have a claim, we can pull open our information, export that, send it to the league and say these these these sewers were jetted on this timeline. Um we can have it display if it's due to to ultimately go out there and jet it. Um so, staff has that. Um that's kind of Oh, the other thing, the searchability. So, um say uh we have a zone area request here. Um we can query from a parcel, say the ordinance is 300 ft away. We can query and pull off all the parcel information mailing. Um so, Linda, when she sends it out as the clerk, has that information readily available at her hand. So, um that's pretty cool. You can also draw on here um and then create um print out. So, say we wanted to print this area just of a map of um storm sewer layout, whatever it may be. You can just print this map out and then you have a PDF copy of it. Um I do that a fair amount if a developer engineers called me, I just print off a little map and send it to them and then they're like, "Wow, you you had it pretty quickly." So, pretty powerful stuff. Um there uh we can also export our stuff if we want to share with somebody. Now, I'll go to the third tab here, which is public works editor. Um this is where we're kind of putting the work in uh public works hands. So, again, all of our sewer and water um storm sewer and the pacer, which is our street ratings, um all available and editable. Um so, here you can just go to edits. Um so, I should maybe pull up in the gate valve that um administrator administration mentioned that was misplaced or not shown properly in the map. That's where now moved. Um so, they can go take a shot um and then ultimately move that gate valve um as they see it in the field. Um they're now going shooting curb stops in um cuz again, locating curb stops, uh nice to have a picture in front of the house you can see where it's at um in addition to have it spatially correct. Um so, staff can do that um and then it goes to our GIS staff. They're really good at catching stuff that public works maybe didn't map prep correctly. So, if there's questions they work that out and get it mapped properly so we have to prove it on our end uh to get it updated on the map. Um but that's all available. Uh same thing they can just edit information on here um as needed. So let's take the sewer line for example and it's going to pull up a bunch of attributes. Um shows what size it is, when it was constructed, last cleaned. Um no information last last line we don't have that information but um it could be added as as things go. Uh so really with GIS the possibilities are are endless so we're kind of putting it in staff's hands. Um probably likely that they're going to be looking at budgeting in a GPS unit so they can get better accuracy so they can kind of cut us out of it um as needed to uh to do some of this mapping, you know, sometimes during winter if it's slow and whatnot they may have some time to to get more information and I always tell them, you know, can be garbage in, garbage out. Some of our parts of town we don't have maps for and we don't really know where some of this stuff is. It looks just as good as the other stuff but now some of the new stuff uh we're really putting a big effort into locating everything, every bend on the water mains, um all the sub drains like Southwest is half built out now. If I go down to that uh for work that's even being in process um or partially complete you can see we have curb stops, we have sub drains, we have everything um in the ground here um shown so um pause there just more information only. Um I think it's great uh that you guys are pretty progressive in that that manner. You know, I've shared this with developers, engineers and they've really appreciated you know, helping them out and helping the developers know where our stuff is and where our future growth can go and what we can have. Um so yeah, I'll pause there any questions, comments, concerns? Happy to answer them. You want to more in-depth I can have a sidebar after the meeting maybe if you want to learn more. But uh like I said, the public is the only thing that you guys are really able to see unless you had a a login which um you know, administration's not interested in that ability uh so they don't screw anything up for our public works staff. So that was on the record I think at the first meeting so um but at public works >> Yeah, that's exactly how I put it. >> Yeah, with it probably works probably works and do a lot of a lot of good for the system and I think it's going to have a better how this going to help them and it's going to help us out and it's going to be a good use of taxpayers money so we know what we have track water main breaks look at the true pavement rating is you know the next street project is that the best spot is that is that how we want to do it etc. So >> I'll see your downtime will be so much less. >> Yep and they're going to be work orders generated from here haven't quite got to that yet but I think there's still be you know informal work orders done from this of hey here's go to this area here let's look at it in the map and go go figure it out or go fix this this valve that hasn't been exercised whatever it may be so >> Interesting. >> Yeah it's cool stuff so So I had just the just information I think you know we spent taxpayers money on it so we want to be conscious of that know what we're what we're doing I think it we owe that to to you as a council and taxpayers to the city so >> I think it's going to be a benefit in the long road. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you Brandon. >> All right that's all I had. >> Uh next personnel fire department probationary candidates. Uh including your package you have a letter from the fire chief he's recommending approval for a couple of firefighters as well as some EMT uh folks. So you've got uh Davidson and Brekke as probationary firefighters and McManamon and Williams as probationary um EMR staff so he's recommending approval for those um >> I'll make the motion to approve those. >> Motion do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Email all in favor? >> I. >> I. >> Opposed? Thank you. One thing just to note on that I know that the uh uh deputy chief interviews are coming up I think if he hasn't already he should be reaching out to you. >> Reach out and knock in the week of the 8th of June. >> Possibly doing them all four that day. Um there's four applicants for that, so. >> Day is the 8th of >> More than one, that's good. >> Yeah. >> Okay, we have nothing under attorney correspondence. Is your finance reports. So optimistic so far year to date looks good. Uh based on our numbers and then we'll be expecting to see all J probably in June and beginning of July, so that'll be backfilling the uh funds, so. >> Okay. >> Is there any round table tonight? >> Um I had a question on the utility billing stuff. Um did we get to a point where we can get better line items? I remember there was talk about, you know, we've only got like eight slots to put things in. And uh we were going to make that better. Are we still working on that? >> You know, I know I I don't know off the top of my head where Jessica's at with her project, but I can check with her and get back to you. >> Yeah, cuz I was looking at I got two very different bills for the last couple months. Obviously I was out of the country for 3 weeks. So I'm looking at it and I see electric. And I'd really like to know base rate versus like actual electric rate, you know? Cuz they're not split up right now. It just says electric. >> Do you get your bill electronically? >> No. Does it matter? >> Well, I know sometimes they have graphical errors where it smashes things together, but >> No, it just says electric and I know that includes like the $24 base rate. >> lines for electric. >> Yeah, it'd be nice to have base rate which is which is always the same >> be able to subtract the base rate out of your your total. >> I could if I go to the city's website and find the base rate on the sheet, you know, but I I know how to do that, you know. >> I don't I don't know that we're ever going to have like 80 lines available on the >> I'm not looking for 80 >> No, not 80, but >> hyperbole, but >> I I knew that was a limitation that we were working on. >> that all the electric-related stuff would be together cuz right now we've got like electric tax and stuff at the bottom and then we've got >> Yeah, the taxes is these are the ones that keep all the state fees at the bottom. >> Oh, okay. >> That's why that one separated out cuz that's just something that goes right to the state. >> Yeah, yeah. >> But so but yeah, I'll check with her and see how many lines she >> to have a little bit more granularity than what's currently there. >> Sure. I can ask. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay, if nothing else, I'll take a motion to adjourn. >> I'll make the motion. >> All right, do we have a second? >> I'll second that. >> All right, Sheldon, all in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? >> Thank you, everybody.