It was pleasure being flags nation indivisible and justice for and thank you for coming to the uh Z and uh first thing I'm going to ask is we uh kill the phone okay that we don't have that disturbance and um I presume whoever has wanted to sign in sign in time is is done. And uh they'll be announcing those later, but whoever's signing to speak, we require both a name as well as uh an address where you live so that we know where if you're local here, if you're not local here. So, at this point, I'm going to ask for a motion to approve the minutes, unless there's a question on the minutes from May 13th. Make a motion to approve the minutes. >> Brad second. Any questions? All approve. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. Likewise. And then we'll also I'll ask for a motion to approve the minutes from November 10th, the work session we had. So move Kurt Lauren second. Any questions or comments? All in favor say I. I. I. >> And oppose the same. The first business we'll have for tonight then is the review uh of the ordinance 180. Those changes in the PUB were just a single change. I'm sure you read that. that was a result of really it was an oversight for the uh August meeting where we deal with the ordinance 178. So uh any questions from the board here before we open it up for for public input? >> I can provide a little additional comments too. Um so back in August um city council approved ordinance 178 which was updates to the city's code section 1111 um which related to plan unit development or PUD. Um they held a public hearing and approved that ordinance that um made updates to the language of the actual ordinance itself. Um it was my oversight in the beginning of our zoning code. There's a list of definitions for terms that appear throughout the ordinance. One of the definitions up there was player duty development. We did not update the definition listed at the top of the ordinance to match the changes we made within the body of the ordinance. So really this is just clerical to make sure that the definition and the actual substance match. Um so the substance of the PUB ordinance was updated back in August. It's just the definition at the beginning of the chapter to make sure that those two sync up. And that uh update that was done was basically to bring us in line other communities. >> Yeah. So the way our PUD um ordinance was written uh PUD in the city of Pine Island only um apply to residential development. Um as far as we can tell we were the only ones who who did that. Um we kind of hamstrung ourselves into um only allowing PUD for residential development. Um, so to kind of bring us in line and be competitive with other cities, we expanded it to include commercial as well, just like kind of everyone else does. So that is the definition change that you see here. It takes out the reference to residential development only and it expands that. >> Anything else here? I'd like to open it up for motion to open the public hearing. Brad second. >> Second by Kirsty. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. >> We have two people signed up for um the public hearing regarding the ordinance change. So, first we have Janu. >> It should be. >> Yes. Just give us give us the name and address please. >> My name is Janu [clears throat] Southwest and um I will get to the ordinance saying I have I just am very concerned with the speed that the data centers move. They've come into town. They convince city officials to sign BNAS by our beautiful farm farmland and make statements that have no way that we have no way to verify. So I started following information from the city and from um other cities to try to find out the answer to what benefit does pine get from doing something like this. And I still have yet to find a definitive answer. extreme electric and water usage scares me to death. Um, we have no way to rebuild those people. So, I was trying to find an analogy or a correlation to what I read as 180. Um, I will admit now that you said that something about 178. I did not read that. So I don't I don't know if that wasn't this sick from the path. Um but um one thing that what is the correlation that I could probably do is to correlate it to um ordinance 149 and it truly is the only other ordinance that I know about in there. So, ordinance the proposed ordinance 180 takes up about a half a page in your packet. Um, ordinance 149 when I found it on the city website took up 4 and 1/2 pages and I thought really so you know about 149 is um it's an ordinance relating to raising chickens in Pine Island. Ordinance 180 is only a half a page long in your document or in your packet today. But um what I wanted to tell you is that based on what I found Pine Island, it appears that Pine Island is more concerned about the rules and regulations for raising a few chickens in the city limits than it is about putting a 480 acre data center within the city limits. My point is this. We need to slow down. We need to look at all the data, both sides, investigate, and then make your decisions. It says here that you need to sign this by the 16th of December. And I guess I just am I'm concerned with how fast we are being required to move. >> Okay. >> Thank you for listening. Again, this public input has for the orders. We'll deal with public input on on the Z center in a little bit. And you heard a buzz over there. We're we're living into two minutes for speaking. And thank you, Jan. So, was there somebody else want to speak to the ordinance? >> Uh, yes. Yes. Again, what we're looking at here for the ordinance is is simply the add-on language. >> Um, was it Robin Schmall? >> Yes. I'm going to defer and speak at the next. >> Okay. >> Okay. Anybody else? I'll give it. Okay. I'll take a motion to close. >> Second. >> Sorry. Second. R. Any discussion here? All in favor? >> I >> I Okay. So, done. And then we're going to look at uh the next one will be the preliminary plat for the Pine Island uh industrial. >> Um Chair Freeze. >> Yes. >> So, we did a motion and a second to close the public hearing, but we didn't actually vote. Is there a motion on recommendation? Perfect. Second question. Okay. Any discussion? Okay. All in favor of the change and we're going from ordinance 178 to 180 with the PD language in there for that uh really gives the city authority over the the development commercial development or industrial development. All in favor say I. >> I. I. opposed same side. My apologies on that, Elizabeth. So then reviewing the preliminary plan and I'll announce again when we get to public input, we're limited to two minutes and we need names and addresses so we know who we're dealing with. I know a lot of you, but Okay. All right, I can go ahead and start us off here. So, please >> um the preliminary plat application that we received from Ryan Companies um the applicant back on October 27th of 2025 um so almost two months ago now. Um the application proposes the platting um of what they call Pine Island Industrial, that's the name of the proposed plat um on approximately 482 acres. It consists of 12 total parcels um in Goodw County. Um most of this land is within Pine Island Township. Um I believe one parcel is within the city of Pine Island. Um >> you speak up please. >> I can certainly try. [clears throat] >> A little slow. We have a lot of noise there. Thanks. Um so again that was the applications received on October 27th um for approximately 482 acres. The name of the proposed plat is Pine Island Industrial. Um again not all of the land is within city limits. Um as part of an early annexation agreement that we have with Pine Island Township, they granted the city um planning and zoning authority over the 482 acres um prior to annexation. So that's why even though this land is not currently within city limits, um the township did sign off on us feeding the body to um oversee that we have the staff and the resources that a township does not. Um so um in the event >> I know, but I >> um I will do as best I can with the equipment I got here. Um but um so the current >> [clears throat] >> um petition that we have for um platting the city reviews plat um again city code um section 12 that's known as our subdivision um portion of the city code. um city uses subdivision ordinances as a way to um split land. Um so when a developer or an individual applies to the city for a plat um they're taking a larger parcel of land and usually breaking it off into smaller parcels for sale or for development um or restructuring how the lots sit. Um, so this is subdivision ordinances are the way that the city is able to, um, set regulations regarding lot sizes, structure sizes, things like that within a development. Um, so Pine Island, um, our planning process is governed by city code section 12.20 and 12.21. Um, at our work session, we talked about chapter 11, which is considered the city's zoning code. Um, chapter 12 is considered the subdivision code. Um so all platting goes through chapter 12. Um plat submissions that come to the city um undergo preliminary and final reviews um by both the planning commission and the city council. So for the full platting process, the city receives an application. Um we hold a hearing on the preliminary plat. Uh the planning and zoning commission issues a recommendation either for or against. That goes on to city council. They then either approve or deny the preliminary plat. If approved, um it's usually with a whole list of conditions >> that upon final application, the developer has to make changes and updates. Um then following a preliminary approval, if that were to happen, a developer would submit a final plan application. Um that would then again go between the four to planning and zoning commission. We would hold another public hearing on the final plat that would go off to city council. So really there's four four meetings or four um opportunities for a preliminary and a final plat to come through um boards of the city. Um so the planning commission uh your job is to review these plats and determine if they meet standards of code 12.20 and 12.21. Um in order to do so we require um plat submissions include a whole host of supporting documents. Um, so the official plat document, which um, I'll have some slides on here, is the actual map of [clears throat] what the boundaries and the lot separations um, and the easements and things like that will be. Um, it also requires legal documents. Um, we have to have title work, proof of ownership of land, legal surveys of lot lines and things like that, making sure that we're dealing with what we say we're dealing with. When it comes to land, um we require soil surveys, tree inventories, uh screening plans, grading plans, utility plans. Um all of these are documents that we require developers file and the city reviews them. Um city staff reviews them at an ad administrative level. Um the technical reports go on to the city engineer. Um they review them. We also send all of those reports as well as the plat to uh various agencies. Um Minnesota Department of Transportation reviews it. they provide comments um and recommendations that they want to see upon a final submission. Um it gets sent down to the Minnesota DNR um to review waterways, things like that. Um it also goes on to in this instance, Goodw County, their public works department as well as their um soil and water conservation district um so they can talk about um an issue comments and recommendations that they would like to see um when it comes to final approvals. So this is the plat document that I had mentioned earlier. Um this is the legal map where they show what the lot divisions will look like um for what they're titling Pine Island Industrial. This is the southern portion of the plat. Um there's two pages to it. So this is the south half in between um Highway 52 on the bottom of the screen and uh 195th Avenue on the north side. And this is everything south of 500 street. Um so the submission is requesting to split the parcel or the overall 482 acres into four lots. So they would be titled lot one, which is what you see on the bottom of the screen here. Um it's got more details to it. It has the proposed building layouts um as well as parking and storm water management things. And there's maps later on where you can see that a little bit better. But um and then they're proposing three outlots. So it would be outlot A, B, and C. Um outlot A is on the top of the screen here, runs along 195th. And then outlot B and C, you'll see on the next slide, are on the north portion of the property in between 500 street and 490th Street. Um so that's what's being proposed. Total of four lots. Um out lot A, B, and C are not being proposed to be developed on at this time. um in the event that they want to um develop and continue on to separate phases, they would have to come back to the city and file for a replat. So anytime they want to develop on outwats, you have to file for another plat. Um so we will do this process all over again. Um so moving on to this is now that north portion of the property. Um this is the area between 490th and 500th Street. Um this is outlot B. And then um on the far left of the screen uh north of Dryon Creek is outlot C. So again, they're only proposing development of lot one, which is on the south end along Highway 52. Um and then out lots A, B, and C would remain undeveloped at this time. Um here's a little bit better um view of that. I know some of these documents were included in the workshop we had back in November. Um, again, kind of some repeat information, but these are all documents that we require to be submitted with the plat um as supplemental information. Um, so again, on the top of the screen along Highway 50 52, you see lot one. Um, they're proposing two buildings. Um, one 300,000 foot um, data center building and one office building of 30,000 ft. Um, everything to the south along 195th is all um, potential future buildings. Um those alignments aren't included in this. It's just to show scale. Um so that is the proposed sketch. And then again, here's a better idea of it again color. Um the blue obviously is all of these storm water management ponds. I believe 18 and a half acres for phase one of storm water management. So that's why there's so much um waterway on the map. Um I think this is kind of where I kick it over to Craig to get into more of his review of um the documents that we received. Um we received a 300 plus page storm water management plan um as is required. Um his team at Woods has reviewed that and they have some comments on that as well as some uh comments on the actual plan itself. um they received comments from Mindot uh regarding certain servicing things like that. So I'll kind of leave it to him to see how far into depth he wants to go. >> Sure. Yeah. Thanks, Stephen. Uh good evening commission members. Um so um like Stephen said, some of the uh required documents that um that the developer submitted were a preliminary grading plan, preliminary utility plan, and then a storm water management plan. Now at this preliminary stage what we look at is really a proof of concept like how how can the entire development be uh how can storm water be managed uh for the entire development. So not just this initial phase of phase one which is a lot for lot one block one but also the entire development. Um we split this into two areas. So there's a north project area that's north of 500 street and then uh this south area here that you see that's south of 500 street. So this is the main focus of the um of the development at this time. So as you can see there are a series of um those blue areas those are a series of storm water ponds um to um control the rate of runoff of the storm water and then also to provide water quality for storm water treatment. So two of the main things that we look at in that 37 page document that Stephen mentioned that storm water management plan uh were both of those items. So, how are they managing the um the runoff rates and how are they providing water quality? And so, just from the charts from the um uh from the document, the um and we also look at the storm water review in a two-year storm, a 10-year storm, and then a 100redyear storm event. So, two-year storm is just less than three inches. uh 10 ler would be 4.3 and then a 100redyear storm is just shy of one or 7.5 inches of rainfall in a 24hour period. So the uh the we evaluate the uh condition of the existing uh site as it is right now and then we compare that to the proposed and that's how we determine uh what the runoff rates are and how they compare to each other. again ensuring that the post runoff rates are less than or or equal to the uh the pre-existing conditions. So in the 100year storm event the pre-existing or pre-development rate is around 874 cubic feet per second. Um so and then in the postdevelopment um condition is 540. So they're reducing the runoff rate um you know by 300 30 cfs in 100 year storm event. So that that checks that box. We also look at the water quality volume and um in total we look at acre feet. So that ends uh for every 40 35 60 cubic feet that is one acre feet. um with a series of ponds that are shown there. Um mainly on the south portion of the of the development because uh there there are both water quality ponds and then there are uh flood control ponds. And so the water quality ponds as shown provide over eight um the required water quality volume per MTCA standards is a little over eight um acre feet and what is provided what is shown here is 10.8 So they meet that by quite a bit too. So um they are proposing some infiltration bases uh which would again not only slow the water down as it leaves the site but then also um it provides that water quality um volume for storm water treatment. So um Mindot has also reviewed uh this uh this water management plan. Uh they did have some comments on it. Um actually one comment they wanted to see some additional modeling. Um it mainly because that is uh they are looking at a resurfacing project in 28 um 2028 with that they're going to be replacing some pulvers. So they want to coordinate the location of those as a gear up for their project as well. Um, in the memo that I included here, we had some, uh, review comments, um, A through G, and I can go into any of those in detail if you'd like. Mainly the cl verification items um, so nothing that stuck out to us and review and um, and the developer consultant engineer has has responded to each other agents as well. Well, that that is the storm water management plan and another review of the preliminary grading and findings. I don't have any questions on that. You have to answer. So in your professional opinion then how would you rate if you're a school teacher how would you rate this plan to what you would expect? Yeah. For a preliminary plan it's it's in that A range. Um it's just uh they provided a lot of detail uh for a preliminary plan and storm water management plan. So, uh, they did they did a nice job, um, uh, laying this out for us and and making it easy for us to understand as we as we review the information and there's a lot to lot to go through, but uh, they uh, they definitely um, yeah, we worked with them all the way through looking at the plan. So, uh, so they did a nice job in 402. And then just kind of just a point to note um any any and all plats that come through this board and they go on to council um are required to submit all of these same things. I mean every residential subdivision that comes through planning and zoning. Um we require grading plans, storm water plans and utility plans. Um obviously not to this scale. Um a lot of residential subdivisions will have one pond, not you know six, seven, eight. So um it's more expansive than usual but it is something that um we require of all developments and and this board is is well verssed in in reviewing. >> So in summary again um exceeding MPCA uh regulations um um that which is guided by the MPCA. If um if there are no questions on that, we can come back to it if you if you have some. But um again, looking at the preliminary plan, typically we will put various conditions on the preliminary plan, meaning uh that we look it over, do a thorough review of it, send it out for agency comments like Stephen had mentioned. Um we did receive comments from Mindot and those were impinged in the uh preliminary plan review comments as well. Um again mainly just a a boundary adjustment because they changed the uh the survey data. So that is something that they would like to see reflected on the uplimary class. So that was the end. They also asked that we um that mid hydraulics so the storm water fills see some additional amount on some of those. So those were the two main items. Uh the other one that access on board they wanted to see more of a concept which that has been provided. So, so with that we're we are recommending five conditions of approval of the preliminary plan and those are listed on the on the memo the preliminary plan comments memo and uh some of these just deal with uh future requirements or some for submitt final plat they'll also be required to submit the final rating utility and closure control plan. So that is in the city code. So we just highlighted that and outlined that code for the developer. Uh we asked them to address our city reviews. I mean US water management plan their utility rating plans which they have done already. Um a development agreement is another step in the development process. Again that will be recorded along with the the final. So we're a little based on that but that's that's also a requirement requirement we see and then any work within or any access that's required for on system does require a permit to use mind so we've been working with and various to address any items that so that will be required And then the fifth one would be to obtain the any easements that are outside of the public record that would be in favor of the city. Those are the five conditions that uh that we answer any questions. Um I do also have one additional condition um that was in my memo um on the administrative side of things. Um when we receive a plat um I had mentioned it comes with some legal documents, title title work for the land that's being um platted as well as surveys and whatnot. Um that all gets passed on to uh our city attorney Bob Bose with Canadian Graven. um he reviews all of that title information um and they issue before any final approvals they will issue a plan opinion they call it. So basically a legal opinion basically saying that all of the title work that has been submitted checks out um all of the property descriptions, the legal descriptions, the surveys all are in line with what is recorded um in deeds and wills or uh books of record things like that. just to make sure that again the land that we are planning is indeed where where it says it is. It's format formatted how it says it is and it's owned how it says it is. So um that in addition to these five engineering comments that would be a sixth conditional uh condition of approval that we would require uh the attorney to sign off on that before um any final approvals. And then just a a point to be made um before we move into the um public hearing. The preliminary plat itself is kind of just what we talked about. It's it's very engineering heavy. Um it's a lot about drainage and lot configuration um and easements of record and right ofway and things like that. Um it doesn't deal as much with um the use of the property. Um so things like data center whatnot. um those would be issued um by conditional use permit which would be a later hearing at a later date um with the final approvals. So in the event that a preliminary plot would be approved, we would anticipate getting a final application um we would then again reconvene here for another public hearing. Um that's when we would hear that conditional use permit which [clears throat] would actually authorize the use of a data center. So, um, tonight's hearing is really about the the preliminary plat document that Pine Island industrial plat um the legal document that basically subdivides the lot as they're requesting. So, anything else? Any other questions? We're basically dealing with medical utilities, rightways, that type of thing. Anything else? Then I'll take a motion to open up a public hearing. Make a motion to open public. >> Second, >> Chris second. All in favor? I so as we open up the public hearing the timer will be run two minutes and again name and address and [clears throat] really what we're dealing with tonight which was I think made clear here is we're dealing with a a preliminary plan that makes sure that rightways uh water and sewer storm and sewer these basics of a structure which is is in any any development housing or or anything else that has to be done and uh that's what we're really dealing with tonight. [clears throat] So with that we'll open up the public hearing and go ahead. >> Uh first let me have Wendell Zart. >> Wendle Wend I live at 838375th Avenue. Northwest or local. I operate a business in town here along with my family residential manufacturing. So we're certainly interested in this project. It happens that uh take my time that we were at leading you with Great Britain and Todd Robertson in regards to the sewer uh project that the one we're cooperating with other town >> and u this item came up for discussion because it had been announced in the newspaper here. This is some time ago. So our first questions were what about the power and what about the water? The same thing that these folks here and we were told in a preliminary way that they said well that you know the power company provides that power they have extra power and they want to sell it. Excel is the power supplier in this area. As far as the water usage, they said it shouldn't be a problem. Shouldn't be any more than a residential subdivision. I have I Google them and what what does the how does it residential? The average house uses about 100 gallons per person per day. So if you had 400 houses, that'd be 400 gallons a day. take that times and you come up with about with a year a year's time it comes to 160,000 gallons of water. So that's a lot of water than we use in a residential salvation. So it just gives you an idea to compare to what that's roughly what they're saying they're going to use at this this uh data center. interesting thing that u our I'm a member of the chamber of commerce of course and we've been we've been talking to our economic development people about when when can you bring some business into town here we need a bigger tax case that >> yes and that this of course would help with that tax base in view of our our state situation of money we the school out here is has bought land for additional schools. We need the tax base. PTM will raise about 60,000 a year for taxes and then we can oversee those taxes going up if we don't get some additional tax based finance. So the city council or the chamber of commerce is on record here supporting this development as long as the concerns are met and answer. Oh, thank you. >> Next we have Rodney Lanners. >> Good evening. My name's Rod Lanners. I live at 189 Court Northeast. And I'm here because I'm concerned that the whole process for the data center development is moving forward without key questions being answered by Ry company and without meaningful public input. Decisions are being made based on incomplete and potentially misleading information, much of which comes directly from the developer. Even the city's homepage linked the project sideway which seems to present only the developer perspective pause this process until the public is properly informed and our questions are answered. Believe previously we were told there's going to be a 60-day day delay in this process and that didn't happen. And the reason for the delay is for we get some public input here and get the questions answered because they have not been yet. The project continues without adequate engagement from residents. City officials should prioritize listening to the community, but it feels like our concerns are not are being ignored. Moving ahead without fully addressing these issues is disappointing and undermines the trust in the city literature. Please reconsider and ensure transparency and public involvement before making any decisions. So my simple request is please pause so we get the questions answered. Thank you. >> Next is Aubrey Dson 340 Drive Northeast. [clears throat] When residents on Henwood Lake in Benton County, Virginia, also known as center alley bought their homes. They were surrounded by farmland that the northeast side of town currently is now. Now their residential development is completely closed and all sides by data centers. Residents quality of life is down to crapshoot. They're unable to sell their homes because no one wants to live that close to a data center. Their only chance was to sell the entire development as one industrial parcel to a developer which in turn angered the border and Brierfield residential development because it would put them in the same position as Hiddenwood, unable to sell, exacerbating the problem rather than mitigating it. The reszone and the sale was denied by the county. Residents are left stranded in limbo. City officials have gone on record that they created the mess through poor zoning and planning decisions. Data centers don't occur as just one. They occur in clusters. One becomes four becomes 12 or more. Rosebound's data centers already bought more land. What began as one has turned into three. Ryan companies has already been getting purchase agreements outside of the AU region. The city just won't tell anyone for another few years because that's how they operate. Project Skyway has been in the works since 2023. According to the city's own admission, residents, particularly those most impacted by it, only began learning about it three months ago. We in Northeast enjoy being surrounded by farmland. For many, it's the reason why we moved here and why we stay. We see community, neighbors, and family farms. Ryan companies only see that they want to exploit residents to display so they can bulldo their homes to put more data center on, which will result in Northeast being completely surrounded just like Hiddenwood. I along with my northeast neighbors wishiously put in a position where we can't live with a poor quality of life and are unable to sell our homes because you made poor planning and zoning decisions without thinking about the human costs. Reject the zoning plat because we are not dispensable. Uh, we have Reverend David Dixon. Reverend Davidson 340. Like a lot of things with this plaque, we have a situation where we have vague langage that creates some issues. I had someone who has been in city government for over a decade look at this initial plaque and he came back with me with some concerns that are worth looking at. Uh in the legal description you have two historic railways mentioned Great Western Railway Company and the North Western Railway Company. Who has authority for these railroad easements? That's an important question to ask and answer. Are the easements formally quit cleaned or or vacated? According to my understanding from doing my research for these, even if they're abandoned, they have to be um ruled in court as vacated in can in Minnesota. So, has that happened with some of these? Next question. Does any successor railroad retain rights? All right. the Union Pacific has I believe the successor of one of these railroads. Do they have the rights? All right. And finally, does legal the legal description include or exclude the entire easement area? All right. So, we're looking at the plan here. We're looking at okay, are these do we have the rights? Do we zone this area or are these railroads still having these rights over this land? My frustration, one of my many frustrations with how all this is going forward is that details like this are not taken care of in the AU it there is a historic Catholic cemetery that is located on this land. And according to that description, there is nothing in that AUR that says that that has been dealt with appropriately. And that angers me as a man of the cloth that angers me. That's not right. Please do your homework and don't just push us forward without making sure these these questions are answered first. That's what reasonable and respectful city will do. Thank you. >> Darcy Simpson. >> My name is Darcy Simpson. I live at 2008th Street Southeast. I'm here tonight to ask for a pause on the approval of Zomi um that is before you. There remain too many unanswered questions from Ryan Companies to move forward and dictate to the residents of Time. We have asked for transparency many times from both Ryan Companies and the city and have been denied. We have asked for transparency regarding the benefits of the data center. We have been told there will be hundreds of jobs in construction and permanent roles and increase tax revenue for the city. The reality is that most of the construction jobs will come from the Rochester and metro areas and they will leave as soon as the job is done and there are very few permanent jobs offered in data centers. With regard to tax revenue, the city has yet to show its citizens what the city will be providing in subsidies to a multi-billion dollar company and what tax revenue will get in return. Without a fiscal impact analysis that estimates the public costs and revenues, the promise of economic benefits is empty. We have also asked for transparency regarding energy use, water use and disposal, traffic impacts and noise. We have not been provided the specifics because of NDA signed and trade secrets. We have not been told the number of diesel generators required to provide energy when the grid cannot. We have not been told what additives will be in the water in the closed loop system and how it will be disposed of to prevent water pollution. We have not been told what mitigations will be made for construction traffic in residential areas to keep our children and neighbors safe and our streets maintained. We have not been told what mitigations will be made to reduce noise pollution created from the data center itself, the diesel generators and the air conditioners. and Ryan Companies has asked for exceptions to regulations currently in place. In the land use regulation chapter under city code section 1111 subd1 purpose, it states to encourage development of land quote while preserving the health, safety and wellness of the citizens of Thailand. In subd6 preliminary development plan section B number two, the uses proposed have not do not have an undue and adverse impact on reasonable enjoyment of neighboring property. And number four, the PUD will not create an excessive burden on parks, schools, streets, and other public facilities. With so many unanswered questions, you cannot reasonably say that the plat application and HUD prepared by Ryan Companies meets the requirements set in the land regulation chapter in our city code. Until we receive more transparency from Ryan Companies and the city and can ensure that the data center will not cause harm to health, safety, and welfare or underfund our schools and other public facilities due to subsidies provided. The zoning of this land should be paused. >> Thank you by Matt Shimik. >> I'm Jesse Sherick. I live at 48th Street Southeast, formerly known as the doll house. giving me those teachers. I feel lucky to have contributed to Pine Island's community for about 10 years and my better half for about 20 projects I've worked on have had ongoing city support, most recently the Pine Island children's nature play trail. I have my relationship with the city council has been one of respect and appreciation for your work. But making space for the data center by resoning is not aligned with the other good work I have come to know from you. I'm a teacher. I teach people who study to become physicians, nurses, PAs, MPs, and they actually do it. I have Pine Island High School graduates in my classroom every day, and they are the best of the best. They go on to work in healthcare and many do return to Pine Island to live and serve. Our town should remain a place that looks out for its residents health and long-term stability. My primary care provider is a graduate of Pine Island High School and makes our community proud. Our health is our most important asset. It cannot be replaced. And I ask you to resist the promises of data central companies by not reszoning to accommodate this 480 acre compound. This is not health or a strong future. Data centers and their powerful backers rush into the unknown, share misleading information and attempt to underline undermine vital community leadership. Long-term profits turn us into prey. devastating impacts on property values, increased pollution, and resource depletion will last. Things that serve the real local needs of our community are essential instead of a data center that sucks the resources out of it. Thank you, >> Robin. Hello, my name is Robin Schmall. Um, I live at 805 Rodeo Drive South. So, um, I just found out about this project in June and as a 23 resident of Pine Island, um, I just didn't feel like it was really aligned with what the reasoning that I moved to this community. Um, I've attended meetings and work sessions, including the work session on November 10th, where Ryan Companies made a wonderful sales pitch about how great this project will be and how they've taken everything into account. Yet, they failed to address some of the most important things, energy use. They greatly minimized water impacts, traffic impact for construction, um, vehicles driving close to residential areas on paths that students use to walk to the park and to schools. Um, additionally, they'd asked for variances because what they're asking to do with this land is outside of the zoning regulations for the type of zoning that we're doing. Um, in regards to noise generation and the height of the buildings that they're planning to build, it seems to me that if there are that many unanswered questions, perhaps we need to take a pause and look at this through a different lens. Perhaps this zoning committee needs to consider having specific zoning regulation for hypers scale data centers and look into how specific regulations and zoning um requirements for this type of massive hypers scale facility that is going to use lots of land, lots of water, lots of electricity and have a real huge impact on our community. um if we can plan maybe we can avoid some of the situations that have happened to other communities that put data centers across the nation in such poor light. So I'm asking you guys to please pause. Please take time to really research this and figure out how to protect your neighbors, your friends, and the people of this community who are looking at you asking you to ask the art questions and to res represent our interests, not the interests of a global corporation. Thank you. >> That concludes our public hearing. >> Okay. >> Motion to close public hearing. >> Second. All >> in favor? >> Okay. Any further thoughts comments from the commissioner board commissioners here I will I will repeat we're dealing with a preliminary plan um dealing with rightways setback utility that type of information Uh I will say that land is a long range plan and u going back 20 years have been identified as commercial industrial land. Uh so I think that part of it fits been updated a couple times that it fits. So the issue before us is the preliminary that's our responsibility whether or not the preliminary plan fulfills the needs and requirements we've seen from the city state etc. and whether to pass it on to council or not. Some of the other information that came up and questions that have come up are not foreign to us and I know that uh there's been a lot of research and onsite uh study done that'll be coming at a later meeting if indeed the council passes this. So the uh the listed um conditions that we have here now Stephen what you had to comment on earlier is that going to be an additional condition is that what you intended >> the condition that I touched on specifically. >> Yeah. So if you wanted to make a motion um for approval it would be with the five conditions listed in the engineering report and then the one condition in the administrative report. So be the six total conditions. >> And then Greg after you know at this point now is there anything else that uh you feel like needs to be addressed as a condition before? >> No. Not during a period. No. Anybody else? Anybody want to present a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve the preliminary preliminary plat with the uh conditions the second. I'll second >> any other discussion other way of a call question. All in favor say I >> post sign passes. >> Thanks for listening. All we asked for was a pause and we were told we were to get one, but you still go ahead and approve. >> Okay. >> I don't care. you. >> I know. I know you don't care. No, I care. You're the one that don't care. >> Okay. Sorry you feel that way. Okay. So, as they >> not just we have our need to have our questions answered >> they will be. >> Yeah. But you're starting to proc it and you haven't got we don't hear anything about how much electricity. People have said how much water we don't know how much emissions. None of that has been provided. But you're still going ahead and blankly approving stuff. >> It's a preliminary. >> No, it's not. You start a preliminary and that's the start of the process. >> Mr. Lanners, the public comment period is over and >> thanks for giving us the 60 days you said you were going to give us. >> Yep. We did take a 60day. We didn't have hearings in October or November. So the it was 60 days. >> The public comment period is over last meeting and you get you dead. >> We will have to ask you to leave if you cannot control yourself. So the comment the public comment period is over. Well, this is very disappointing and upset. I'll say that. And that's why all everybody's spaying here, but you're not listening to anybody. >> Mr. If you could remove yourself without being >> Yeah, we're we're done. We're done with the public, but I will I will just say this. Questions have been written down. This is not a response. This is this is uh I'm getting questions have been written down. I've got questions written down. Some of the questions that were brought up here uh were answered at the uh past meeting and will be coming forth. There's research that's been done on site on a number of places. No, >> Mr. L. >> We're not we're not taking that. I'm giving you I'm giving you and I'm telling you, why don't you get the question answered before you start the process? That's all these people are asking. We don't have information at all. I mean, whether you're for this or against it, you'd want the question to answer [clears throat] before you start the process. Thank you. We still have >> We still have another item on the left. >> So, I got additions to that presentation here. Um so a lot of the information in this is um either kind of duplicate information or information that we had on our work session that we um have expounded upon. Um so we're just going to go through again. Um in your packet there's a memo kind of explaining PUD. Um as you saw in the definition um a PUD is an overlay district district um so you take a base zoning district in this instance um they are proposing I2 which is the light industrial um and then they are requesting a PUD um again an overlay which um either adds additional restrictions onto the I2 um changes or whatnot within that I2 Um, so it just kind of adds flexibility. Again, it's an agreement between the developer and the city um to change those. Most of the proposed changes to the I2 um exceed the standards of the city code. Um they kind of go above and beyond. Um so we will get into that. Um so as part of the PUD application um they have to the developer is required to file um what's called a preliminary development plan. um a lot of the documents required in the preliminary development plan overlap with what's required for the preliminary plat. So again um grading plans, utility plans um actually a requirement of a PUD and a preliminary development plan is to submit a plat. Um so that's why the two items kind of run concurrently um at the same meetings. Um so again the proposed underlying zoning district for the PUB is light industrial at I2. Um and then the applicant included a list of standards where they deviate from I2 um and kind of the rational why. So we kind of compiled it, watered it down to um what they're proposing be changed and what our current code states so you can see the difference between what's being proposed and what um it currently is. So um for noise is kind of where we're starting out. Um the proposed project um states that it would meet MPCA state standards for residential areas for noise. Um this would allow up to 60 dB during the day and 50 dB at night um at the property line. The current city code is very convoluted [laughter] when it comes to noise. Um so essentially it allows for up to six dB in excess of and then it's 50 60 or 70 dB depending on the time of day. So it's like 50 at night, um 60 during the day, and then um so current city code allows for six dB in excess of 50 at night, 6 dB in excess of 60 during the day. Again, very convoluted. Um the proposal of just a flat 60 dB during the day and 50 dB at night, um again, comes in under what city code um requires. uh city code is at six dB over. So really it's 56 666 76. What they're proposing is a flat 60 during the day and 50 at night. Um it's much more streamlined, much more easy to um gauge. Uh so again that standard that they are suggesting um is actually more stringent than what our city code allows for. Um and then in addition to that uh lighting the um proposed site design would have um cut off fixtures to uh minimize glare and spill over over boundary lines. Um what they are suggesting in the PUD is half of a candle foot um at the boundary line. Um what current city code allows for is one foot candle um to be cast beyond the P boundary line. Um, so again, they're taking what our current code is and they're making it even more strict. Um, cutting it down from one candle foot to half a candle foot. It candle feet are very odd measurements that you don't hear every single day. Um, so we went out and the city engineer um has a candle foot reader as well as a decibel um reader. So we were able to kind of take stops around town um get readings of decibb for ambient noise of what Highway 52 sounds like during the day. um what main street street lights look like when it comes to candle feet during the day. Um so we kind of compiled that into um a map. I apologize this is very small to see and hard to see. Um but these are the different decimal readings and candle foot readings. Um this entire presentation will be posted on the city website. Um so you'll be able to see the different readings. Um, so I guess just to um give an overview of what we saw for readings is a lot of the readings we got along White Pines Road um for noise um were in that 60 to 70 decel range. So that actually is over what city code is. Um that's just ambient traffic noise from Highway 52. Um we can't control highway noise. that's not something the city um can can oversee. Um so the proposed PUD proposed development um their required noise levels would be below what the ambient um highway noise is uh being proposed. So um same with candle feet. Um it's hard to see on here but um we took a candleoot reading of the street lights on Main Street. Um they were 1.1 candle feet. Um, so if you can imagine the street lights on Main Street at night, um, half of that would be what is proposed for the light fixtures on the campus. Um, Craig, I don't know if I know you did a lot of these readings on here, so I don't know if you want to speak to those, right? >> Yeah, we took um, so this is from three different data sets. We we took them at different hours of the day um mainly in the afternoon and then um um and then the light readings obviously took when it got that 1.1 candle that uh that Steven right outside of city hall up there that includes the Christmas lights that are that are being so there's a little additional light uh than what we normally see but uh but we did save that um right downstairs on the sidewalk uh it's kind somewhat in between light poles, but uh but that isn't one. So again, would be half of that half that light level. We also took some up in the U in the subdivision uh just east of White Pines there. Various readings throughout um they really range underneath the light. We had a 2.2 foot candle and then if you go in between the lights uh where it's then we got a zero reading. So uh any anywhere between 2.2 down to zero in between the legs. Um, as far as the noise readings, we took a number of those like Stephen had mentioned. And um, at the uh, proposed project Skyway um, property line just on the east property line. So, this would be on the west side of uh, 195th Avenue. Uh we were anywhere between that 47 uh to the highest one was um yeah 57 and 50 61 it's the highest. So just to give you an idea of because a lot of us don't know what a foot candle is. So it's hard to measure or gauge kind of where where that's at but um we we did go out and um so if you have any questions to answer those Yeah, I apologize. For some reason, I thought that was coming at the next meeting. So, >> Lauren, >> so you're saying that's like the foot panels proposal to five. Okay. So, how is that going to be polish? >> Yes. Okay. So, the developer they'll have a owner of the property will have a conditional use permit. So within that conditional use permit there will be various thresholds of these items that we're talking about noise um ill things like that. So that will be measured uh from time to time uh if when the when the property is developed we'll go right to the property line we'll have that light meter and we'll take so there are some um uh some mitigation strategies that they can use mentioned the cut off lights and so they're more directed onto the property than they are um out into the Anything else? >> I can kind of expand upon that too. I don't have a microphone so I'll try to talk really loud but I mean we it'd be like for enforcing a city code. So essentially what um this language does is it creates a set of um guidelines for staff to follow. And so we have that now, right? We have businesses all the time that we are writing code enforcement. I shouldn't say all the time um throughout the year that we've had lighting concerns where we have to enforce um our current lighting code to current businesses. And so we worked with that business to make sure that they know where they need to be um they know how they need to be um within within our code or guidelines. Um it's actually harder to enforce our current businesses because we don't have permits or licenses to essentially hold over their heads. Um that's the positive of having a PUD is it's by conditional use permit only. And so it actually gives the city more control because we can control we can pull that conditional use permit at any point in time and then they would have to cease operations. So >> and I I apologize. I should have mentioned kind of at the onset of this presentation. Um so the review of the preliminary development plan um the actual development plan will be approved by that conditional use permit um conditional use permits um are required to have public hearings um before planning and zoning and then go on to council. Um so we have received a conditional use permit application. Um that's what triggered this preliminary development plan review. Um, we will review, like I said, where they're asking to deviate from the code. Um, your recommendation tonight is if you think essentially those deviations are reasonable, um, you can obviously give input if you want to see things change. Um, that will then go on to council. Council will review the same thing. Um if council feels that the preliminary development plan, you know, doesn't go far enough one way or another, um they can impose um recommendations to when we would to receive a final. Um so again, this development plan won't be approved. Um tonight won't be approved by council this month. Um we will be back here for an additional public hearing when we receive the final. Um after they take the recommendations of you and council into consideration, they'll submit a final. um and then we'll go from there. So there will be another public hearing and another recommendation after that. So I apologize for not setting out that kind of timeline. So >> So then if there's no other questions on light or sound, I can kind of move on. >> Um the next big thing um that we have heard a lot about is traffic. Um so it is the goal of the city um and the developer to not have any construction traffic um come in and out of the county 11 roundabout and up white pines by the develop um by the residential development. Um so we've been in talks with uh the Minnesota Department of Transportation um to secure a rightin out access point off of Highway 52 at 490th Street. Um, so all construction traffic will be funneled to that right in right out. Um, in the event that any trucks need to be turned around, if they're going in the wrong direction, they're not on the side for that right in right out, they'd be directed down to the um, outrun interchange, which is where they would switch from side to side. Um, that kind of reverse diamond interchange actually suits this kind of um, turnaround very well because they hop off the interchange, they stay on the same side of the road, and they're able to get right back on. Um so that would be um part of this PUD would be those traffic concerns routing all of that construction traffic away from White Pines um just as um a future plan. Um they the developer would be providing a separated um sidewalk or path along White Pines Road. Um this is not in substitution of that construction traffic being routed elsewhere. It's just in addition to um just that's an area that we've sought improvement for a long time. Um so this is a good a time as ever if um we're able to get funding assistance with that. Um and then just the last point adding the bypass lane on the westbound county road um southbound ramp on Highway 52. So just if there is an increase in traffic um for workers and whatnot that will just have that extra bypass lane. >> Yeah. You know what I add on that add to that is that that was one of the uh the comments that I had again as part of their 28 project which is going to include the resurfacing of southbound 52 uh only from north of um down to just shy of Boro. So that that project is being under undertaken on 2028. So, as part of that project, they're also going to add a a shorter bypass lane. So, as you're coming across the bridge on County 11 coming into town, there'll be a left-hand turn lane. So, you can go southbound 52, you can jump on that um that on-ramp and uh so that bypass lane would be there for that. So, they just wanted us to make sure that we coordinate that. If that is an easy coordinator, uh then then we need to let them know. Um in traffic, patrols really will will get paid fast. So uh again the future conversations with Mind and and within um and also just I know this this PowerPoint's kind of sparse um all of these uh points of deviation from code um Craig wrote a memo um in the planning and zoning packet that's online um where he goes into each of these points at length um explaining the deviations our current code um where each um originate from um in long form. I I again just pulled out kind of the 10,000 foot view on it just to kind of hit on the key points, but there is a long form um explanation of each of these as well. So if I if I do miss something, it's most likely in his in his um so kind of going right in line with traffic um infrastructure additions. Um we talked about that walking path and the bypass lane. Um, additional infrastructure improvements would be the paving of White Pines Road, um, or 195th all the way to 500 Street. Um, again, this would be done at developer expense, not city expense. Um, and then also all city water main and sewer extensions. Um, that would be made to the property. Um, it's roughly three miles total. I believe it's a mile and a half of water and half a mile of sewer extensions to serve the property. Um, again, all be at developer expense. Um so I can move into now we have um again we we showed this at the the work session we had in November it's kind of just a exhibit showing the various um infrastructure improvements. Um on the top right of the screen it talks about that right in right out onto Highway 52 at 490th Street. Um kind of the different colored lines outside of the project area are um the water and sewer extensions. Um I don't want to hit on every bullet point. There's a lot in here, but um and then again that extension of the pave road up 185th 25 street additions >> questions that none of that >> seems like a lot of several of the questions that we as citizens have are trying to be addressed and communicated probably not every single detail, but it um a lot of things are being addressed. >> And then at that to that point, um at the end of this presentation, um there's a QR code and then also a link to the city website where again we hit on water usage, energy usage, kind of those things again in the long form. Um I try to keep this brief um just because I know you've heard it already in November and then it's in your packet that you reviewed um the days leading up to this. So, um, all of those answers again are in long form. Um, we've been collecting questions from the community over the last several months and tried to answer them, um, as best we can. Um, and so that page, if you go to our website, there's a big red bar across the top says skyway information. Click on that. That'll take you right there. Um, just another point that anything that the city puts out um about the project will be housed on the city website. Um, if there's a link that takes you elsewhere um to a URL that's not the pinealandm.gov um that's either a a developers website or a website that someone else has put together. Um so if you want information directly from the city on the project, it will have that pineandm.gov um URL. So um going into our next um code deviation that they have on here. Um so the uh the setback for the light industrial district um currently as code has written is 45 ft. Um the the applicant is requesting that that remain the same. However, the taller the buildings get, they're requesting to increase the setback. So every foot over the 45 foot height that a building goes, they would have to be set back two additional feet. So if a 45 [snorts] foot tall building turns into a 50ft building, their 45 foot step back then turns into a 55t set back. So for every foot they go up, they also have to move two feet back. Um and and just one clarification on that too. So the the front yard setback is for a building up to a 45 foot height is a 30 foot. So um so any it's it's just that delta. So anything beyond that 45 ft for every foot of building height that increases beyond that 45 ft two additional feet of setback would be would be required. So the setback is greater than what's what code is. >> The set well yeah the setback would be the same unless if the building is over 45. Yeah. And then it would be greater. >> And just for you know height reference the ability to cross here is 50 foot. >> You beat me to the punch. That's my next slide. >> Um so again moving on to height. Um the current building height for um light industrial is 45 ft. Four stories are 45 ft. Um they are this is the one standard they're requesting it be increased to 60 ft. Um we have buildings in town um that exceed that 60 foot, but again that's where that twoft setback um would increase in the event that the building height were to increase. Um they also are requesting that accessory structures, so antennas, things like that on top of buildings, um would be able to increase to 80 ft. Um that would only be with an additional conditional use permit. So they would have a conditional use permit solely for a structure, accessory structure going up to 80 ft. So again, we'd be back here, we'd have a public hearing on um whether an accessory on top of a building could go up to 80. Um so um the the Zoom information kind of cuts off unfortunately but um so we just kind of wanted to pull some real world examples just to give people kind of an idea. So the 301 Main Street apartment building um from the ground to the eaves or kind of the roof line is is 32 feet um and then to the the peak of the roof is 50 feet um approximately. So that is what you would kind of imagine for um a 40ft building would come somewhere in between there. Um I believe there we haven't seen official building plans um but the first proposed building um is is expected to be less than 40 ft um somewhere in that 35 to 38t range. So it would be very similar to um this building across across the way here. Um and then again for reference, a partners um they came before you I believe in 2023 um requesting a variance to height restrictions um because they were building some new grain bins and they are authorized to build up to 145 ft. I don't believe their new bins got anywhere near that. Um I think they're right around that 90 to 100 ft um currently. But um so again like I said it's not uncommon that in the middle of town we have a 100 foot building >> um distribution gate. >> Yep. So, um that's just again some real world examples that you're going down Main Street. You can kind of um that's what you would expect for um this first phase uh proposed building height. There any questions on that? Um so now we kind of move into some of the more internal um water, wastewater, things like that. Um the AU that the city council adopted um estimated approximately 152,000 gallons per day um water usage. um this water usage. We were able to take um readings of the entire um residential development on the east side of 52 um so the Pine Crest subdivisions um and areas like that and we took their water usage, extrapolated it out to um the 482 acres. Um so we're comparing uh this development to a residential development of the exact same size, exact same acreage. Um and I believe they came in around 146,000 gallons, 142,000 gallons. So very similar um water usage for residential development. Um the main reason for that is um when the project was first proposed to us, um we were pretty adamant that no water cooling systems would be used. Um that it would not be a water cooled system. There wouldn't be um wells drilled on the property to facilitate that. Um so all of the water usage that is being proposed is for um office purposes, fire suppression purposes, um things of that sort. Um so again in that same vein, um all water being used on the development would come from the city municipal water system. Um we would have it metered just like any other property. Um so they'd be charged for all water coming in and all waste water coming out. Um and there would not be any private wells drilled on the site. Yes. Well, just to expand on that too, the uh so like Stephen said, the the proposed facility would be air cooled. Uh so there are two types of cooling systems that data centers use. Liquid cooled, which uh those do require a lot of water. Um that is taken from October and then used to cool the uh to the equipment and servers and and the internal components of data center. um this proposal is um or this project is proposing air cooled uh which requires much less water than a liquid cooling uh facility. So it is true that some facilities um data centers do use a lot of water this this is not so again the water usage is very comparable to resolution. So that um that uh air cooled rather than water cooled that is dealt with with each building or is that dealt with as this whole project as it progresses or if it progresses. >> Yeah. So >> this number um and some of the other numbers in here I should have been more specific. So the 152,000 gallons per day of water usage is at full buildup. >> Full build up. >> That's both the south campus and the north campus fully developed. >> I understand that. I'm asking going forward is is the requirement for air cooled going to be in process for build up? >> Yeah. Um, so we would set I mean the AUR sets their a water um allocation um so they're unable to exceed that. So >> I don't think you can cool one data center with this amount of water multiple. Um >> so I just wanted to make sure you're on that. >> Yeah, >> that's a good question. The facilities will be metered individually as well. So uh so we'll know how much water is being used and um and again in the alternative urban area wide review that's environmental document that was prepared for this project. It does set that threshold. Um and so each of the proposals that you review uh will get their final estimated water usage um on each of the buildings and then we'll compare that to the layout just like you did with the traffic and other items that are >> um I know we we talked a lot about storm water when it came to um the plat. I won't kind of dive back into this, but um that just that phase one that lot one um development proposes 18 and a half acres of storm water treatment. Um Craig had mentioned that's above and beyond MPCA standards um for a development of that size. Um the city did receive like I said that that 341 I believe page storm water management plan. Um that again was reviewed by the city engineer as well as um the DNR and the county soil and water conservation district. Um so those storm water treatment basins um Craig kind of touched on talking about some are used for filtration, some are used for um flood mitigation. So um again these are a lot of the points that we talked about back in um November. These are the ones that haven't changed as much. We haven't gotten a lot of additional information on. Um so just to kind of get through these um the green space ratio um proposed within the PUD would require a green space ratio of 35%. Um so that's you know patunous surface to to green space on the development. Um the current city code only requires 25% of a green space ratio. Um so they are they are increasing that um phase one since there's so much undeveloped land would actually have a 65% green space ratio. um kind of on that same conservation uh tracked the tree and landscaping um during the grading of the of the area. Um there would obviously be tree removal and there will be a tree tree replacement planned of 1:1 ratio. Um and then they're proposing in phase one um 300 plus trees being planted or replaced in addition to 41 acres of native grass land and pollinator land. Um and then there is one I don't know how in the weeds we want to get. There is one um wetland along Highway 52 um that's used as uh Highway 52 kind of run off that will have to be mitigated um as part of the wastewater plant. Yeah, portion of that wetland um is in the mind that rideway and it it does come into the property some so um any sort of mitigation that is required for that wetland any disturbance to that I should say does require mitigation. So um um the mitigation plan is submitted to the technical evaluation panel which uh includes the good view soil and water conservation district uh core of engineers um board of soil and water conservation uh district. So um or resources. So all of those agencies review that and uh an approved mitigation plan is required prior to disturbance of that le because it's partially in in mind right of way. Um it's it's a similar process to what Mind would go through if it were to be clean up with and things of that questions. Um and I believe this is the last one here. Um so again uh talking about um what the PUB is proposing versus what uh city standards are when it comes to building aesthetics and materials. Um our city code um is pretty standard when it comes to classification of materials. I think it's you know concrete glass kind of bare bones definitions. Um what they're um requesting is just to specify um what those definitions of materials are. So instead of concrete it's pre-cast um things like that. So they just kind of whittle down what our definitions are to something more specific. Um the proposed buildings material fits within code. um they have to have certain percentages of um different material um which they meet. They just are trying to up those standards is the the building design is usually a little more modern than what our own anticipates in industrial. Um and then parking ratios. Um the proposed PUD um the reason the city has parking ratios is when we have a development come in, we want to make sure they have enough on-site parking um that they're not forcing employees, visitors, etc. onto uh city streets, city right away um out where they're located. Um there isn't really any parking on 195th that they'd be able to spill over into. Um, so that's not a major concern, but they are, um, our current city code has a square footage requirement tied to parking. Um, so once your your building exceeds x amount of square feet, you have to have x amount of parking spaces. Um, they're requesting that instead to replace that with um, they have to provide at least one parking space per employee on the maximum shift. So, whatever the most um the highest number of employees on a shift, they would make sure there's adequate parking spaces for those. Um this kind of works in the city's favor also um because shifting from that square footage requirement to the employee size. Um it cuts down on the amount of impervious surface on the lot and allows for more green space. Um if they were to follow our code, they'd have giant vast parking lots um eating up into that green space. So um and then finally um uses uh this is where the PUD would um authorize the use of technology centers, research facilities, technology campuses um and then those related uses. So that's that's the portion that would allow um just because our light industrial doesn't reference technology centers or data centers or anything like that. So questions on those? >> Can I ask a question or not? T >> t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t typically no. Um, so again, this >> Are are you going to be at the city council meeting next week? >> I plan on it, but I I've got a question on why is this considered light industrial versus heavy industrial? >> Seems more to be heavy industrial, which would change your whole point here. >> Seems ridiculous. >> So we don't we don't have a reszone before us right now. We haven't already received an application for reszone. So that would be a great question at the at the reszone. >> So there will future. >> Yep. So if we receive a petition for a reszone, >> but it sounds like you're already stating that this is light industrial on these on these pages. Yeah. >> Which doesn't make sense to me. >> So this is just the proposed. This isn't >> that why is your proposal for light industrial >> and we'll we'll go into all that at the at the reason I'm hearing. Nice. Thanks. Any other questions on this one? Otherwise, um this is again just that thoseformational sites that I had spoken about. Um the one on the left side there, a QR code and then the pine islandm.gov/skyways where um like I said, we have more long form answers to u those various points. Um water, construction, traffic, things like that. those are all broken out much more expansively than on here. So, um at this point, so before you is just to vote on a recommendation. Again, like I said, if you feel that these, um variations from code from um those standards are reasonable. Um if you have any suggestions, if you have any recommendations, um those would then get passed on to council. They would review the same thing. So these variations in code really for the most part are not expanding our code. They're actually within code what our code would be. >> Yep. So the majority of them are either at what current code levels are or more strict >> or more strict. Um and then the ones that do um loosen code such as like the height that the additive of like the increased setbacks are are an offset thought to be an offset to those variations. >> Any questions? >> I have one question just going back to the water. Uh so every after the complete build out um every 10 days that's a million and a half gallons that the whole development use that seems like an awful lot of water still even with cooling. I mean is there some I guess I don't know generally what an industrial uh complex uses in water but that still seems like oil. So just to touch on that um so all the water usage is purely domestic. So they're requesting zero water usage for industrial or commercial um uses. So I actually pulled up the numbers. So we we wanted to compare apples to apples and so we pulled up the um water usage for the Pinerest subdivision. When you break that down per acre, they use approximately 303 gallons um of water per day per acre. Um to put it in perspective, uh what Skyway is um requesting is 315 gallons per acre per day. So the water usage is strictly domestic, flushing toilets, >> people washing the dishes in the break room, things like that. And so it's >> it just seemed like a lot. >> It it seems like a lot. Um it It's the same as our our residential um I did go and calculate what an average four person resident whereas I looked it up and it's like 70,000 gallons a year and you know that's awful lot of homes that you know you're talking about 55 million gallons that the development is going to use. I was just trying to figure out why so much. So we we have currently industrial users in town that for example sit on a 10acre site and they use 40 to 50 45,000 gallons a day. >> So they're using a third of what this 482 would on 10 acres >> and they've been in business for a very long time. So try not to throw them under the bus, but there are large water users in town that use not this much water, but a third of this on 10 acres of what this would be on 182. Just to kind of put it in. >> Yeah. >> Anything else? Okay. So, we're looking at a recommendation for a preliminary development plan for this. Last order of business. Is there a motion? I'll make a motion so much for the PU all the recommendations and stuff that they have. >> Okay. So, you're making a motion to approve? >> Yep. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Brad, any questions, comments? All in favor? We come by saying I I oppose. >> And again, just to say it out loud to put it out there, not to rain on your braid. Um, so when you guys approve, it's a recommendation, >> right, >> to council because they get final say on it. So this is not an approval of anything. It's a recommendation to council that >> you have reviewed it as the planning commission. This is how you interpret things. this is what your recommendation to them would be. They then see that information. They review everything you have reviewed. They review recommendation and then they make their final decision. So, >> thank you. >> Anything else? Okay. Have a motion to adjourn. Second by Kurt. All in favor?