[5:48] I'm sure other council members will be coming shortly here. We have four people who called ahead of ahead of time and got on the list here. Paul Royer, there's Paul. Brian asking Brian. Steve, I don't see Steve. [6:04] And Elise join us? So what we will do, everybody will have 5 min and when you did 5 min I'm gonna cut you offer, but because I want everybody to have the same amount of time and we want to be even fair about this. [6:19] And we'll invite you as you start, you can just state your name, you can sign in afterward because that face just a little bit, and if if you have any questions at the end or if we have time, we'll we'll ask questions. It'll be a bit of a back and forth for what we're doing here tonight. [6:34] So we'll go in the order that I read and if Steve heard long makes it in we'll kind of put him at the end of the line here. So Paul, why don't you join us up top here? Thank you. I can see you right there. Welcome. [7:00] You don't show it. You're kind, thanks. Good evening mayor and council members. It's a pleasure to be here. My name is Paul Royer. I've been a resident of since 1998 so I have two boys. [7:13] Public schools, love everything. I've also been a business administrator at St. Steven Luthren Church for the past eleven years. Tonight I'm here on behalf of st. Stephen Lutherin. In France, you might have seen them before. The church was founded in 1959, the doors. [7:33] The church opened in 1961 and since then our mission has always been to. [7:39] Serve our congregation, our neighbors, our city, anybody in need, so same Stephen is all about. So in 2003, we had a digital partnership with a small business called Grounds Control, one maintenance company serving Blueton in the South Metro since 1980. For just over two decades, we've shared a mutually benefi. [7:59] Relationship with them, whether it's not only been peaceful but really profoundly positive for both our parties and more importantly for the wider community. Here's how it worked. Brown's control used a portion of our unused garage space. We had inherited some garages when the property joining us was living to us. So we let them use the garages for storage. [8:19] Bit of maintenance work quiet maintenance work, and then they would hold their morning meetings where they would get all their crew together and then send them out on their jobs. In return, we received free long maintenance and really favorable pricing on our solar pool. They prioritized clearing us out for Sunday morning services as well as opening the parking lot big days to our preschool. [8:39] Without any issue. So that are aged worked beautifully without a single NO complaint to us. [8:45] For 22 years, just until May of this year. And, and the city received a phone call from somebody complaining about a commercial operation operating out of our business which is so unresidential. So anyhow, but this what here isn't just about convenience for us or cost savings for the church. [9:05] Because the amount of work we have saved over those decades has really been reinvested back into our community because that's again what we do we serve. So e.g., some of those savings allowed us to build a large community guarden that supports feet right on the corner of our property. We expanded it. Once we expanded it 2nd time, a few years ago, we had. [9:25] Actually I think it's just over 2000 pounds of what defeat fresh produced and our gardening group is growing every year and they're passionate about this. So that, that's one way of supporting it. We also are involved in local events like and Pridefests other churches have intent there, you know, and and show up as way for the low of inclusion dignity, all of those wonderful things. [9:45] Things. So and we've also been able to offer some tangible support in our growing Hispanic community by donating two tafestry to local ministry that you know works with within that population for both cultural and spiritual care. And a great portion of this has been in part to the partnership with grounds control. They have freed up. [10:05] Probably close to $10000 a year for our church, which is NO small points for congregation of our size. So tonight, we're not here just asking for a variance or a conditional use exception or whatever the appropriate vehicle is to try to achieve that. We'd like you to recognize or preserve something that's already working something that's been. [10:25] Tangible and it's west it sorry tangible westing good to the people who live here. We believe that continuing this partnership doesn't just benefit a church and a small business it benefits our city. It supports food security, inclusivity, early childhood education, and strong local relationships. So I thank you for considering. [10:45] During our requests to allow grounds control to resume their responsible and valuable use of our property this fall, we don't think it's only fair, it's good for Bloomington. That is hopefully under 5 min. That is certainly under 5 min Paul, thank you for that. [11:00] So did you get a letter or do you with the city contact with you so we actually 1st received a phone call from Ryan I think it was and just just asking what the situation was. So I followed back and talked to him a little bit and then he sent an email and I've got a letter the following week saying we had to basically see some. [11:20] Because it was a violation of the current ordinance. So yeah it took some time but we complied. I mean there for 22 years. They had to move their equipment out of the garages, find a new location to rent to the house you know that and staffed their wares, but we got that taken care of. [11:38] Also additional questions. Do we have any and do we know where it stands now? Like, is there a formal request for Mary's mr. Mayork you know? I don't believe there is I'm in fact trying to figure out what our next step could possibly be. I did talk with. [11:55] I talked with Mike Sentinario. And, and his comment was that he felt that without changing the zoning laws, we wouldn't have a shot at this. That seemed like a bit excessive for what we were asking for, which is why I decided to come to the open listening session. So I'm really looking for guidance and what. [12:15] Are there possible next steps and if so, what might take? I would hate for us to shoot you again try and figure this out at the fly. Our city manager or city attorney, taking notes beveragely here. So why don't we've got your contact information because they've reached out to you already, in order to find you. [12:32] And so why don't we see if we can put our heads together, talk to some folks and see if there is a path forward. Not saying there absolutely is, but we will take a look and see if that's exactly what we're looking for. Thank you very much for your time as you please. [12:49] Ryan. Evening mayor. Welcome. Pleasure to be here. [13:04] I have a topic here that's probably know a lot about, get a lot of discussion about. It's the storage of trailers and travel trailers, but I'm gonna talk about my situation. I got a big piece of property, it's 19000 sq ft. [13:20] Roughly been there 38 years, been a residenti year and ahead of 20 ft trailers stored along my garage. It's 40 ft long. It's enclosed by the side of it's enclosed by a 6 ft privacy fence. Well I got a letter saying that it's I gotta move it, it's illegal. [13:40] It's an oversized black trailery states. Now, I talked to the. [13:45] The compliance that came here and we had a face to face, which is really good. So he's doing his job, I understand that. So I'm coming to the people that make the rules. That's how you get anywhere, right? If we get anywhere. So what I'm looking at. [14:01] Is why are these big long travel trailers allowed in my little 20 footer isn't? That's kind of the confusion I have, you know, when I bought it, I got neighbors that have them and motor homes and everything like that and I. [14:16] Never even thought about looking at the, the ordinance why I'm not in compliance. So you threatened me with a thousand dollar fine and all this other stuff. Well I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do that. So I moved it temporarily. So my choices are $2400 a year to store it or sell it. And. [14:36] And either one is really an option that I like. I was wondering. [14:41] What other option do I have can I apply for a variance or I mean if you saw, if you saw where it was, I think it's reasonable. You can see maybe the top four and a half of it, but for some reason this trailer is not allowed and that's why I'm hearing did I indicate the reason? [14:59] What was the reason why it isn't allowed? It's says that it's in Let's see here. Discontinue storing oversized black and closed trailer on the property trailers of this size are not allowed in the residential neighborhoods. Now, that's it. Now what it looks like is your typical construction. [15:19] Trailer, it's just a square, two axle trailer, it says has the ability to have a hundred and ten bowl power. [15:27] I, I go to I, I use it for different things. So that's why I have it. Why I'm curious is that some of these travel trailers, and we've all seen them, they're massive, you know, my little trailer in behind my fence and that's why I'm, I'm wondering. [15:45] Kind of how I got nixed on it and a lot of these other ones did, so for their legal, I should say. But I think we we made the distinction between that type of work trailer as opposed to a motor home or a boat or that kind of thing. I think. I think the reason was usually what those trailers come a home business. [16:05] Entirely different set of issues, so we were we were I think trying to avoid that and. [16:11] But the, you know, the, the larger vehicles and especially alongside the garage and they closed, I mean they are permitted so it's a good question. Without knowing the details or the specifics, without going and putting eyeballs on it or hearing from our our city folks I'm not exactly sure what they're the. [16:31] Nationale might be other than sized, and frankly, I'm not sure if there's a, if there's a remedy either considering the way that the ordinance is written, the discussions we've had and you're right, we've had these discussions over the years over a number of years and a number of different times, and this is where we landed just as a, a way to preserve neighborhoods and making sure that. [16:51] Other folks don't have to sit and look at yourself out their window wall winter, that kind of thing so but in terms of what can be done. [16:58] We're gonna have to take a look and as I, as I mentioned Paul, the answer might be nothing, you know, short of rewriting code or rewriting doing stuff, but we'll definitely take a look and see if there are work arounds or if there are options or what we might be able to come up with. Yeah, that's that's fair enough, and I don't really get into other people's business with their stuff. [17:18] You know what they have they have. I'm just talking about me like I don't care if my neighbor's got whatever. You know, my neighbors don't complain and you can't hardly see it. And like I said it the biggest thing is, you know, it's $2400 a year, a lot of money, that's a vacation for me you know but if there's something we could look at and come something reasonab. [17:38] Maybe not, you know, I guess I'd like to look at it and I know the compliance officer's looking at that's his job and so you know that's why I wanted to face to face with him. I don't, I don't like emails and texts. I dealing face to face when I deal with things. So that's kind of how I offer. [17:59] There's something we can look at and I'm all open for it. We will be hearing from us. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. [18:17] Okay, thank you. Welcome. [18:37] Thank you for the activity to speak tonight. My name's Ellie Jarvis and I'm a proud resident of course hill's neighborhood. I'm here to urge you to support two ordinances, one to prevent the retail sale of dogs and cats from most. [18:53] Head stores and want to prohibit wild animal services in our community. These ordinance are both about protecting the animals and people alike. [19:07] And the good news for us in Bloomington is this is currently not an issue. This is more about preventing the problem from happening. Let me begin with a personal story faster. Years ago I bought a cava weird team Charles Familielle from what I thought was. [19:25] He's a responsible breeder in the Southwest Metro. His name was Luke, though our friends called him little lemon because his health problems never stopped. He suffered terrifying neurological episodes that left him frozen and helpless. [19:39] After months of confusion, a neurologists at the increase of Minnesota diagnosed him with episodic following syndrome, very rare sease, and the only hope for him to live was to get in the study in Scotland where he would be able to use the experimental medication. [19:58] But to qualify, we needed blood from Luke's parents. That's when we learned the heartbaking truth. The breeder had lied. Luke had come from a puppy mill in royal Minnesota. The house we visited was a front. It was just a showroom for animals raised and cramped girl conditions. Luke was likely born in a cage, he trucked up. [20:18] For the cities and sold to us naive and hopeful new pet owners. [20:24] A humane festival ordinance would prevent this. Nearly 500 cities have passed similar laws include 13 in Minnesota, and more. These policies don't affect responsible breeders or adopters. They do not affect responsible breeders or adapters. [20:44] We simply stop stores from selling animals source from puppy melts. And now is the great time for Bloomington because we don't currently have any puppy selling stores. This would be a preventative move to protect our city for bad actors. Now let's talk about the surfaces that use while animals companies like car. [21:04] In international circuits performed locally through the Osmond chiners have long records of USDA violations for abusing and neglecting animals like elephants and tigers. These animals endure isolation and combinement and cramp cages. [21:24] It means me to be this blunt, but elephants have literally died from beatings in these surfaces. Beyond cruel TV shows also pose public safety risks with over a dozen deaths and frequent animals escaped since 1990. [21:42] We're not asking Bloomington to band all surfaces. Just to join cities like Minneapolis, to Luth Branchester, South st. Paul and prohibiting the use of wild animals and performances is a reasonable responsible step to broke protect animals in our community. [21:58] And the only circus that performs in Bloomington, the Royal Canadian circus currently meets this model. Together these two ordinances reflect Bloomington's values of passion, responsibility, and foresight. Let's be proactive. Let's be humane. [22:18] Thank you for your time, your leadership. Thank you. And just to clarify, to clarify the that you've mentioned, it would, it would not prohibit the sale of puppies in the pet store, but just puppies from a puppy bill, is that correct or just completely bad? [22:36] Do you want me to? You go ahead. Is it ok to speak at? Sure in 30 s. Now we're the animals. What this is about is realizing that the state is prohibited in doing the rate from. [22:56] Preventing the conditions of animals coming in from out of state. So 13 different cities across the state of Minnesota has been proactive with this specifically by making sure that these dogs are not coming from these deployable conditions of emails, and so it is saying that NO dogs can be sold in pet stores because it's a mask of hiding for northeastocks. [23:16] From you can still adopt or you can still buy from ethical breaters. Got it. Okay, thank you. Thank you. [23:25] No questions, just I'm supportive of both of those in case you're wondering. I'm sure that's not a surprise to you mr. Mayor not at all. Alright, well thank you very much for being here. I don't know mr. Mayor if that's something that we can talk about in organizational business in terms of like the work plan or for next year or whatever. [23:45] Yeah, thanks. [23:54] Good evening council members. Please see you many of you. I am here to introduce you to the next infill middle missing middle housing. [24:07] Proposal for Bloomington. It's the James Avenue city homes. This will be a planned urban development. It's eight units in four twin home buildings. These will be four sales, single family. The site is an acre, and the one item. [24:27] Health concern is the rear setbacks are only 20 ft where code wants 30 ft but this is a pod so there is whatever the site plant is. We'll make sure that we have adequate storm water control and snow removal and mobilization through the site. And I just wanted to prompt you to think more about. [24:47] How we get more housing in the city of Bloomington and I'm excited about this particular one and I think this is a great way of doing it. So I I don't have anything else for you. I just wanted to bring it by and and say hello, and if you have any questions about this, I'm happy to try and answer them now, but. [25:05] We'll be bringing the plats together here soon and getting it submitted. We've been through DRC and staff is supportive of this iteration. We made a lot of changes based on staff recommendations already. So, we get our plat finished and we'll get it into planning commission and. [25:23] For you to to hear and hopefully the only fireworks will be this weekend and none when we great. I appreciate it and I appreciate your your creative thinking on this and on this and other issues. I know that you're. [25:40] You're an advocate for housing in Bloomington and your comments, you need to start thinking about more ways. Believe me, we think about ways to create housing a number of different ways. The devil of course is in the details of actually getting it done. So appreciate your the work that you're doing to bring, bring this forward. [26:07] We just grab coffee sometimes. Okay, I owe you a phone call, so my bad. [26:15] Yeah, I just want to clarify mr. Mayor, if I remember correctly and I know we did have a conversation with about this, that the easement, the easement variance request is in the backside, correct? I have that right? In the, in the back of each units, it's the north and the south. Okay. The 20 ft setback as opposed to. [26:34] 3030 required right now. Okay, and you you have talked to planning or our planning team and they seem to think that that's reasonable at this point. Right yep ok. [26:45] Very good and and I think if we, if I remember when I was talking about this, you said eight units, basically 242 flexes kind of concept, right? And this the the garages. [27:00] What are we doing? What are we, are we supporting a single parking spot per unit? Is that how this works? Two, so two stall garages for each unit. Okay. Yep. And the garages would be connected in the middle. Okay. Right, ok. Very good. Thank you for that. [27:16] Anything else? Great, very good. Thanks for coming in. Is there anyone here who wants to speak, we haven't I think we can we through our four speakers. Very good. No, you don't get a second bite of the apple, sorry. They're all with me, so. [27:38] Council we are through our agenda for our listening session. It is six oh seven to journ. Motion by council member Mois to adjourn. Opposed motion carries, we are adjourned, and we will see you all now soon. Thank you all for coming in today.