". Good Evening And Welcome To The December 22Nd 2022 Meeting Of The Bloomington Planning Commission. Th Planning Commission Is Made Of Seven Volunteer Bloomington Ridents Appointed By The City Council This Evening There Are Five Which Is A Quorum The Commission Advises The City Council On Development Proposals Development Standards Long Planning And Transportation Issues Our Work Is Informed The City'S Comprehensive Plan Various District Plans And The City Code For Some Items The Commission Makes A Recommendation With City Council Having Final Decision Making Authority Which Is The Case This Evening With Items In Other Cases The Commission Can Approve Or Deny An Application And Subject To An Appeal To The City Council For Each Action Item There Will Be A Staff Report An Opportunity For The Public To Present And Then Time For Any Member Of The Public To Provide Testimony. Our First Order Of Business Is The Pledge Of Allegiance. Please Stand As You Are Able I Pledge Allegiance To The Flag Of The United States Of America And To The Republic For Which It Stands One Nation Under God, Indivisible With Liberty Justice For All. All Right. I Would Ask The Planning Manager To Ge An Overview Of How To Testify Remotely. Please Chair Rohman Commissioners We Have One Public Hearing Item Tonight And We Will Take Testimony Here In The Chambers But If Somebody Is Remote And Would Like To Provide Testimony They Can Do So. They Would Call Into The Number On The Screen And Then Adjourn The Access Code And We'D Be Able To Pass Them Through And We Will Have This Number On The Screen During That Public Hearing Item. Thank You. I First Item Is A Request For A Variance To Ruce Side Yar Tbacks. There Are A Couple Of Components This And Our Staff On This One Is Planner Oday If You Could Give Us The Staff Thank You . All Right. Good Evening Commissioner. I Did One Screening And Three Variances For Existing Structure. The Property Address Is 8906 Logan Avenue So This Property Is Just Located Just South Of Kenley That'S Around One Use. Those Are Single Family Homes . A Little Bit About Property History Because It Is Relevant The Property Was The Home Of Both The 1950 And 19 70. The Variance Board Approved A Three Fourths Nine Yard Setback For A Garage And Then Sometime Between 1972 And 1985 A Porch Was Built The Back Of The Garage And Then 1985 To 1989 A Cover Up Was Built Off The Back Of The Porch And Then In 2008 The Applicant Purchased The Home. >> Here Is A Snippet Of The Survey Provided As You Can See The Front The Ground Is Built At A Compliant Creek But The Fact That Garage Was Built That Angle Which Results In A 2.8 Or Stuff Out And Then Continuing That Angle Apartments Built That 2.7 Puts Up Back And The That We Call That A 2.6 The Couple Considerations For The Variance Because The Current Landowner Question Step Back And Was Proactive And Resolving The Issues Or Applying For A Variance And Then The City Is Unaware Of Any Complaints Or Issues From Neighbors And Then For The Benefit Of The Public I Just Want To Say That The Owner Intends To Continue The Use Of The Structures Is They Will Not Be Doing Any Modifying Or Expanding Or Renovating Of The Structures And Then There Are Some Practical Difficulties That The Variance Is The Name Including Removing Inches Of The Garage 37 Feet Or The Porch To A Garage And Definitely A Portion Of The Existing That And Due To The Proximity Of These Structures To Line The Structure Would Result In Acquiring A Paper From The Neighbor And Then I Wanted To Go Over The Step Recommended The First Two Have To Do With Mitigating An Impact On The Neighbor So No Window May Be Added To North Wall Of The Porch And Then The Second Condition Screening Must Be Added To The North Portion Of And The Springs Should Be Fully Opaque And. Staff Can Review Any Type Of Screening That The Applicant Proposes To Make Sure It Meets The Intent Of The Commission. >> A Tn The Third One Even Though The Variance Language Is Start To Be Structured No Additions And Structures May Be Added To The Property In Current No Portion Of The Structures May Be Added Then The Existing Step That Point And Then The Staff That Receive Two Emails And Support This Afternoon Have Been Emailed And To You At The Scene And Staff Is Recommending Approval This If This Through Tonight This Would Go Through City Council And That Would Be In The Morning Meeting And I Am Here For Any Questions That I Believe The Applicants And The Realtor Is On The Call For Any Questions Thank You Questions For Staff Commissioner Abdi Thank You Chair I Mean So They Could You Go Back To The Assembled Survey So I'M Trying To Understand The Survey Um The Variance Being Sght Is 2.5 Feet But The Details The Screen Here Show The Least Setback Is Point Six. What Is The Difference? Chair Commissioner Abdi With Two And A Half Feet Is Gives Us A Little Bit Of Margin Of Error In Measuring So As You Can See We Saw There They Measured To The Outside Of A Line If You Measure In Front Of The Inside These Lines You Get A Smaller Number So Two And A Half Feet Allows For A Little Bit Of Margin For Error And The Measurement But I Just Want To Reiterate That No The Structures Have Maybe Expanded Or Maybe Less Number Than The Currents At That Points. Other Questions For Staff Commissioner In Thank You, Mr. Chair. Mr.. Can You Walk Me Through The Condition Of Approval Number Two Again With The Screen Will Just A Further Explanation Of What That Means Sir Just First Chair Commissioner Cookson So I Mean Actually With That To The Portion That I Want To Talk About So You Can See My Cursor Screen Would Have To Be Added Basically In This In This Area And That'S To Provide Privacy For The Neighbors And That Screening Mus Beully Paid And We Can Argue Any Plans That The Applicant Proposes To Us To Make Sure That It Meets The Intent Of Fully. Okay. So You Could Put Out Some Kind Of Reading Wall Or Vegetation But I Just Want To Make Clear That It Does Have To Be A Fully Opaque Screening. Thank You. Have I See We Have Letters Of Comment From Folks In The Area Has Been Any Communication That The Staff Have Received From The Property Owner At 2001 West 89Th Chair They Were Notified Of Course Of The Hearing Tonight. I Have Not Heard From Them. I'M Not Sure If The Applicant And The Sessions With The Owner But I Let Him Speak Only Contact Of Course. Thank You. And Then One Additiona Estion If You Could On The Back On The Screen With The Conditions If You Could Share With Me The Staff'S On Condition Number Three Which Talks Additions Or Structures In Relation To The Existing Setback. What'S Your Intent With That Condition? Chair That'S To Make Sure That No Structures Need To Be Added Over Tohe Property Line An Existing Fire So If I Were The Homeowner And I Wanted To Just For The Sake Of Argument Triple The Size Of That That Covered Porch, That Deck I Could Do That At The 2.6 Foot Setback With This Condition. Um Yeah, That'S Incorrect. So You Can Expand On The Porch But I Mean Expansion Of Structures Would Have To Meet Code The Current Code So What We'Re Really Saying Is No Additions Or Structures That Are Part Of The Existing Structures Correct. Now Explain That Very Well But I Want To Be Clear That We Are Not This Condition Doesn'T Create An Entitlement To At A Shed Or A Massive Deck At That Reduced Setback For Okay Other Questions For Staff All Right Let'S See What The Applicant To Speak On This Item Mr. Chair We Have Kelly Right And On The And Steve Train I Will Unmute Both Of Them So They Can Make Comments Thank You. We Have Time For The Applicant To Speak If You Could Identify Which Your Name When You Speak And Feel Free To Let Us Know Anything We Should About This Application Hello Please A You Going To Speak Sir? >> Sir I Can Just Speak Really Briefly Steve Train I'M The Homeowner At 8906 Logan Avenue South. >> I Just Want To Say Thank You To Liz And The Commission For Helping Me Through This Process It'S Been Rather And I Think We'Re Moving In The Right Direction So I Really Appreciate Everyone'S Work On This. I Guess I Have Any Further Questions Or Comments. Thank You. Are There Any Questions For The Applicant Commissioner? Cookson Thank You Mr. Chair. Mr. Train One Of The Conditions Of Approval Number Two Is That Screening Has To Be Added To The North Face Of That Covered Deck. Does That Feel Burdensome To You? Is That Something You'Ve Had Heartache Over? Is That A Big Deal For You? Steve Speaking Here? >> I Guess It Doesn'T Feel Overly Burdensome. I Mean If It If It'S Necessary My Understanding That It Was That It Was A Recommendation But If It'S Required, I Guess I Want To Meet That Requirement Going Forward. Thank You. Any Other Questions For The Applicant? All Right. Thank You For Your Comments. This Item Is A Public Hearing. So At This Time I Will Open The Public Hearing. There Is No One From The Public In The Chambers Do We Have Anyone From The Public Online Chat Room And? We Have No One From The Public Online. Okay. Thank You. Seeing One In The Chambers And No One Online I Would Entertain A Motion To Close The Public So Moved Second Thank You. We Have A Motion And A Second To Close The Public Hearing Discussion All Those In Favor Say I I Oppose The Motion Passes The Public Hearing Is Closed Discussion On The Item Commissioner Cooked In The Thank You Mr. Chair Before We Get Into Discussion Our Conversation There With The Applicant He Was Under The Impression Condition Number Two Was A Recommendation On Being That You Were This Representation Of The Planning Commission. Could You Clarify For The Applicant That That'S Not A Recommendation? Right. I Think In In Reading I Could See Where You Read The The Screen Of You Read The Material And It'S It'S The Staff'S Recommendation To The Commission. And So If The Commission Adopts These Conditions, They Are Not Recommended They Become Required. So These Are These Are The Conditions That T Staff Is Recommending That The Commission And The Council Adopt Commissioner Abdi For Clarification This Building Off What Commissioner Kirkton Was Asking Conditions Of Approval Versus Recommended Conditions What Is The Difference And This Can Be Staff Yeah I Would Go Ahead And I Have A Planning Microgrid Comment There. Jerry Rohman, The Commissioner Of The The Recommended Conditions Or Staff'S Recommendations Both To The Planning Commission And The Council And Then The Next Step Will Be For The Planning Commission To Make Their Recommendations On Conditions And Then The City Council Would Make The Final Decision I Think It'S A Little Bit Different Here Because We Are Not It Was A Recommended Of Approval It Would Be A Recommended Condition To Approve This Structure To Happen In This Case It'S There And So This Is The Recommended Condition Essentially For It To Stay Since My Only Comment Is I Would Like To I Don'T Know If The Word Or To Clarify And Number Three That It Is Very Clear That You Know The Existing Nonconforming Structures We Be Approving But I Would Not Want To See Those Added In Any Way. I Would Not Want To See Them I Would Not Want To See Someone Put A Shed Also Two And A Half Feet. I Mean So Again My My Thinking About This Variance Is One Thing If It'S What'S Is Fine And Nothing More But I Just If Someone In The Next Owner Wanted T Make Large Deck The Way I Read This That Would Be A Right So You Know I Says No Additions To The Current Nonconforming Structures And I Would Say Or Structures I Just Worry About The Or Structures Part Leading To The Ability To Add Other Things Later And I Heard The Staff Very Clearly Say That Was Not The Intent. So If Anyone Has Any Suggestions On Wording Around That Or If Assistant City Attorney Task Is Some Ideas Or Whoever But I Think I Think The Intent Is There. I Just Want Us To Not Have Three Owners Down The Road To Have A Different Interpretation And When All The Staff And Commissioner Are Gone Oth Discussion Commissioner Cooked Sorry I Was Wrapped Up In The Screen Thank You Mr. Chair. I Was Wondering If I Could Ask Staff A Question Please Mr. Condition Number Two Where We'Re Adding Screening To The The Portion Of The Porch, Is There A Precedent For That Type Of Do You Feel We Would Be Breaking Or Setting A New Precedent If We Didn'T Require That Chair Commissioner To Put Them? >> I'M Not Aware Certainly We'Ve Had Screening Conditions But Nothing Of Particulars Of This In My Opinion. But I Welcome Amanda'S Thoughts On This Two Jerome And Commissioner Cooked What We Were Thinking With This Condition Is The Code Requires A Ten Foot Setback For A Deck Of That Nature Along The Side Bac Line And Given That It'S There It'S Very Difficult To It Back To The Code Required Setback And Condition Number Two Would Be A Way To At Least Mitigate Any Impacts To The Property To The North There Are Windows Fairly Close To The Property Line On That And It Would Basically Just Mitigate The Potential Impacts By Adding That Screen In Thank You Mr. De And Mr. Markegd That'S My One Hang Up On This Application. I'D Like To Hear Other Commissioners Thoughts On Number Two. You Know It'S An Existing Condition That'S Been Like For A Long Time And The Applicant Was Proactive In Coming To The City And Asking For This And I, I Don'T Feel Great About Someone Doing The Right Thing And Coming To Us And They Always Say That But You Got To Do This And I Don'T Feel Great About It I Understand Intent Mr. Marker Guards Comments Make Sense To Me So I'M Not Swayed One Way Or The Other. But I'D Like To Hear Other Commissioners Thoughts On On On Condition Number Two I Wonder If You Could Give Up Just A Couple Of Examples Of What Would The What Would Meet The Standard Of I Think You Opaque Screening What Would Be Some Some Solutions That Could Be Put In Place That Would Meet That However Minor Or Major They May Be Chair Bridging Of I Suppose Architectural Wall I Know The Applicant Wanted A Lattice Combine As Wello Make Sure That You Could See Through Those Gaps And Not I Don'T Throw Could Be Fully Wrong When They'Re On Make Sure The Clients Meet Those And That Would Be Fully So That'S Another Option I Those Are Kind Of On My Mind Okay Thank You Commissioner Abdi Thank Chair I'M Actually In Support Of All Three Conditions And Recommended Conditions The You Ow We'Re Requiring The Applicant To Remove Anything To Meet In Compliance. We'Re Actually Being Very Lenient By You Know, Making The A Non-Conformity In This Case And I Think The Based On The Staff Report The The Existing Owners Trying To Sell The Property If That'S My Understanding So If The New Owner Has A You Know, Big Issue With You Know And Owners Change Properties Don'T Change So If You Have Additional You Know Issues And Complaints It'S Just Going Be Very Diou For Each Neibor If You Haven'T, You Know, Loud Deck Situation And You Have No Protection From That And There' Nothing That The City To Require That Them To Comply Because We The Only Way We Can Do That Now Is Through This Condition. I Think That Would Just Be Very Helpful Considering That The Existing Property Is Already Too Close Then What Would Be Allowed For A Deck? And I Think Number Three Would Ensure That You Know The Expansion Of A Potential Deck Would Have To Meet The Ten Foot Setback That Is Required By Theumbe Two Wld Provide Some Protection For The Existing Usage Of Where The Existing Deck Is. Ms. O'Dea Is The Is Is The Opacity A Percentage Requirements Like 6% Operate Or Is It When You Say Full Full Capacity Is That Like Completely Blacked Out There Is Not Visibility Through Like If You Imagine The Six Foot Fence That'S Completely Private Versus One That'S Kind Of Like Decked Up Where You Can See Visibility Tough It . My Only Concern With Planting Allowing Planting For This Kind Of Thing Is Planting Can Be You Know Trimmed Or It Can Be Removed Or It Could Die And The Owner New Or Existing Will Not Replace It. So Then How Do You Go Back And Ensure Compliance With That? So My Only Recommendation Is To Actually Have A Structure Something Be Added To That So That It'S A Little Bit More The Presence Of That Stays Put Versus A Dying That May Or May Not Exist During This Winter . Salads Leave It At That. I'M In Support Of The Application That'S Proposed With These Recommended Conditions Additional Additional Discussion I Think The Planning Manager Did You Have Some Suggestions If You Had Any Suggestions On Language That Would Clarify Number Three Jere And Do And We Can Use This To Wordsmith On The Fly But This Is The Setback I Mean The Condition As A Was Drafted And Then A Potential Change In Case That Meets Your Your Concern I Like That Better. I Don'T Know If It Makes A Difference Others I This Is More Clear Okay Because It Actually Says That Does Not Meet Current Code Seack O Existing Setback So 2.5 Is Not Ten Foot I I Appreciate That I Think That'S That'S I Believe The Staff That This Was The Staff'S Intent I Just Worry About Someone Reading It So I Would Recommend That However We Want To Capture That Language Change Our Motion That Would Be My Preference. Any Further Discussion? Commissioner Cookson? Thank You Mr. Chair. I'Ve Been Thinking About It And I Don'T Think I Can Support Condition Number Two. I Appreciate The The Appcant Hasome Fward Protively. I Understand The Intent Of Why We Would Want Screening There But Being That Has To Be Fully Opaque I Mean That'S Something Real. I It Detracts From The Character Of That Home And That Porch. I Mean It'S A 100 And Or You Know It Turns The Corner 90 Degrees Is An Open Porch And I Think It Would Change The Look And I Think It Would Look And Unless You Hired An Architect Or Something It May Look Worse . My Parents Have A Neighbor Who Had To Do Something And They Put Plywood Up And It Looks Terrible. Fortunately They Don'T Live Bloington But I Don'T Think I Can Support Condition Number Two. I Think I Think We'Re Overly Burdensome In This Case And Their Neighbor To The North Was Provided A Letter In The Mail To Provide Public Testimony And They To My Knowledge Did Not And So You Know That That Would Have Been Their Opportunity And They Would Still Have An Opportunity To Testify At City Council Level If They Like Or Like My Proposal Of Getting Rid Of Requirement Number Two And If They Did Come Forward And And Say We'Re The Neighbor To The North And I Really Want That Ruirent Back, I Would Take That Very Seriously. But Being That We Haven'T Heard That I Find That Condition To Be Overly Burdensome And I Can'T Support That Conditional Approval In Chair When I Would Note We Received A Chart That The Applicants Are Interested In If On The Condition If You Wanted To Open The Reopen The Public Hearing What Would Be The Pleasure Of The Commission ? I Already Asked Them The Question So I Don'T Feel The Need To But I'Ll Leave The The Final Decision To You Mr. Trump. I, I Can Only Keep That Option For A Second And See If There'S Other Thoughts On This Issue Of Of Recommendation Of Virtue Perhaps It Would Behoove Planning Commission To Fully Discuss It Before We Get Back Into A Back And Forth And Forth That Discussion Right So Other Thoughts On And I Guess On Condition Number Two If Any And That'S Okay If We Have No Further Thoughts Commissioner Gorman Yeah I Think It You'Re Just Trying To Kind Of Reflect On The Different Comments About This Number Two But If It Seems Like Lik Mr.E Said There'S Some Flexibility That That I Think It'S Important That Like Commissioner Abdi Said Or Mentioned That Because Of The Change Of Owners In Different Owners Trying To Do Something Different With That Specific Area And In Changing The Structure As It Is Having A Structure That Is That Is How Do I Say It Now That Constant That Is Permanent That Looks Permanent Versusomethi Lik Vines That Might Go Away It Will Be Better Still Think That The Best For Me The Best Way To Go Would Be With That With The Inclusion Of That Second Requirement I Do Support That One But At The Same Time I Like The Idea Of That Type Of Flexibility So If They Have That Structured If They Can Still Add Something Different To That. So For The For The View For A Better View I Am I'M I'M In Support Of It I'M Okay With That Question For Staff Would I Assume Whatever If There Was Some Architectural Or Structural Requirements To Do Something At This North End That Would Require A Permit? Yes. >> A Chair It Depends On The Overall Height I Believe But Anything Shorter Three Feet Wouldn'T Require A Permit. Okay So But I Assume That The Height Is Probably Eight Feet Or Seven Feet Because There'S It'S Floor To Ceiling, Correct . Let Me Go Back To The Photo. The Reason Ask The Question Is I Would Concern That If I'M The Logic Here That If We Require A Solution My Instinct Is That The Rest Of That Railing On That Deck Is Not Compliant By Today'S Code And Are We Triggering Something That Would Force The Property Owner To Have To Improve The Railing All The Way Around. That'S That'S My Concern With That Are We Unintentionally Creating More Than Than We Are Trying To Solve I Can Be Wrong About That But Think That Kind Of Railing With The Gap There That Goes Out On The Front Is Not Compliant Today Correct I Think Jerome And Do You Mean This Okay On The Other Side? Well It'S Both Sides But I Assume That Once You Do Something With That You I Don'T Know Again I Don'T Know What Triggers What To Be Compliant Is My Concern And So The The Screening Requirement Would Trigger Kind Of Filling In This Area With A Solid Screen Whether It Permits Required I'M Not Exactlyure I Suspect It It Maybe We'D Have To Check On That But Yeah That'S Just Like Again I'M Maybe I'M Off But I You Know, I Could See The Inspector Coming Out And Say And The Rest Of This Railing Is Problem To That. So I Guess Given That I Would Lean Toward Commissioner Cookson'S Position Without A Clear Answer On That. Mr. O'Toole Yeah. Mr. Chair Thank You. I Just Want To Throw One Other Comment. Everyone Knows Where I Stand On This But Professionally I Work In Thef Design. I Work With A Lot Of Architects And Everything And You Know You'Ve Got A Unique Painkiller Here. You'Ve Got An Existing Structure That You Know Is Very Homogeneous And It'S In Its Current And If This Applicant Doesn'T Hire An Architect And You Know, This Could Be A Detraction If It'S Done Wrong Like I Could You Know, As Someone Who Might Dating An Architect She Would Be Upset If Her Neighbor Did Something That Didn'T Look Very Good And It Might Be Worse And I A Lot Of Architects That Would Feel That Way And So Just Again Considation My Fellow Commissioners Is It'S Not Easy To Make Something Look Good Especially On The Exterior Envelope Of A Building You If Unless You'Re Hiring An Architect This Might Look Worse. I'M Just Going To Check And See If You Have Any Comments Or Input From Or Assistant City Attorney Task Sorry. Let Me Just Start My Either Sorry I Was Out Shoveling Earlier So I'M Not Dressed In My Finest Today But You Do Have The Authority To Put Conditions On Variances That Happens The Time The Statutory Guidance Is That They Need To Bear Rough Proportionality To The Impact Created By The Variance So That'S Kind Of The Language You'Re Working With And For 62.35 Seven When You Look At Variances So The Impact By The Variance And B Does The Condition Bear Rough Proportionality To That Impact. >> So Those Are Kind Of The Two Things To Look At You Know Legally We Can Add Conditions That'S Fine But It'D Be Up To The Commissioner To Decide Whether The Impact In The Proportionality Are There. So Just To Send Some Kind Of Legal Background If You Have Any Other Questions You Can Let Me Know. Okay Commissioner Correct In This Picture Don'T Know If This Is What Mr. Tozzi Was Referencing. I'M Certainly Not Recommending We Them To Hire An Architect. Not At All. That'S Just A Warning For Planning Commissioners That As A Designer Myself I Know That This Tricky To Make This Look Good Especially If We Make It Fully Opaque And We May Choose To Have That Consideration As Our Head As We'Re Ponderi That Condition Of Approval. Commissioner Abdi Thank You Chair For Clarification For Staff And Maybe The Attorney As Part Of The Variance Analysis Is Consideration Of Financial Burden As Part Of The Different Conditions Of Approval That We'Re Looking At Is That Something That We Need To Take Into Account On Behalf Of The Applicant. You Know As Part Of This Analysis Do We Say That It'S Going To Be Costly For The Applicant To Do It? So Therefore Even Though The Structure Is In You Know, Has Been In Existence For 40 Years But For It To Be In Compliance You Know, This Condition Would Be A Financial Burden For The Applicant And Therefore We Should Really Not Require It. Is That Something That We Have Leeway In Considering Or Otherwise Yet? Yes, The You Know, You'Re Kind Of Dealing With What'S Called The Practical Difficulties Test That Comes Out Of The Statute And That Says Is That You Can Consider Economic Circumstances Or Hardship, You Know, For The For The Homeowner To Comply With Current Code It Can'T Be The Only Consideration It'S Just The Basis Of The Variance Is Economic Based Reason And Then That You Can'T Consider That It Can Be One It Can Be One Of Many Factors You Consider Okay Thank You. Yeah I Guess Will Say For Me I'M I'M Coming Around On Leading Away From Number Two That'S Kind Of Where I'M Leaning Right Now But Again If It'S The If It'S The Pleasure Of The Commission To Have Number Two It That'S That'S Fine Too. Commissioner Mcgovern Thank You Chair. >> After Listening To Commissioner Creighton I Would Have To Agree Number Two Would Be Omitted. It'S Kind Of Based On The Book If You Give A Mouse A Cookie. This Could Spawn Something More Than Just A Covering . Commissioner Korman So Number Two Is Removed. Is There Possibility That Then Evil May End Up Coming Back Later On Or The Specific Requirement? Not If We If We Don'T Really I Mean The Council Could Put It In You You Know If Let'S Say We Recommended To Move Forward With Condition Number One And Condition Number Three With Amended Language But Not With Commission Number Two. Condition Number Two I Think It Would Go Forward. Correct Me If I'M Wrong It Would Go Forward To The Council With All Three Knowing That The Commission Did Not Recommend Number Two Correct Jerome And Typically What We Do And My Staff Feels Very Strongly On An Issue Is We Would Change Our Recommendation To Match The Planning Commission'S. And In This Case I Think That Would Be True. We Would Probably Just Change To Match The Planning Commission. So Number Two Would Just Be Omitted From The Report Goes To The Council. Yeah. Okay. To Answer Your Question Commissioner Gorman. Yeah. Additional Or A Motion Or I Think I Think We'Ve Had Thorough Discussion And So Unless Anyone Strongly I Would Not Reopen The Public Hearing Planner Tay Cou We Get Screen With The Motions At Your Convenience Commissioner Captain. Mr. Chair, I'D Like To Taken Attempt At A Motion. Please Do So Very Slowly. Methodically. Well, I'M Going To Need Some Time Here In Case Feel 2022231 . Having Been Able To Make The Required Findings I Move To Recommend I'Ll Recommend Apoval Of Variances To A Reduce The Side Yard Step Back From Five Feet To Two And A Half Feet For An Existing Garage B Reduce Side Yard Setback From Ten Feet To Two And A Half Feet For An Existing Area And C Reduce The Side Yard Setback Ten Feet To Two And A Half Feet For An Existing Deck At 8906 Logan Avenue South Subject To Code Requirements Attached To The Staff Reports And Staff Recommended Conditions Number One Not Staff Condition Number Two That Was Recommended To The Planning Commission And Condition Number Three Clarifying The Language That The Mr. Marker And I Think You Heard So We Have Some Language Yeah I Do Want Me To Pull That Up. I'M Sure Mr. Tusk Is Cringing Here At My Pause In The Motion Here. Okay. Okay. That No Additions Or Structures May Be Added That Do Not Meet City Code Set Back Requirements. Well Said. Is There A Second Second If A Motion And A Second To Recommend Three Variances To The City Council? Any Further Discussion Commissioner Cook Then Maybe Just Clarify With Mr. Tomasky That That Was An Acceptable Motion Based On Our Conversation Advice Base Of Council. Yeah, I Think It Was. I Y Know From All Of Us Here We We Saw What The Planning Manager Put Up On The Screen. >> So With That Caveat I Think We'Re Good. Okay Any Further Discussion? All Those In Favor Say I. I Opposed The Passes. This Item Will Move On To The January 9Th City Council Agenda Where It Will Be On The Consent. Thank You. Item Number Two Is A Review And Approval Of The Proposed 2023 Planning Commission Workplan And Senior Jnson Is The Staff On This Item. Good Evening Chairman Rohman And Members Of The Commission. Good To See You All. Happy Holidays. When There'S A It Means It'S Time To Review The Work Plan So It Seems So I'Ll Share My Screen Here. Let'S See Here. Thanks For Your Patience . There We Are. You See That? Ay. S, Wean. Sounds Good. We'Ll Get Right Into It. So It'S Been A Busy Year In The Planning Division And At The Planning Commission In 2022. So A Couple Updates For You About Our Of Staffing Structure And Certainly I'M Sure Glen Could Share Insights And Anecdotes About Kind All The Different Staffing Elements We'Ve Had This Year But I Think I Heard Him Mention That We Have Ten Chairs In Planning Currently And I Think Seven People Have Changed Roles Or Come Into The Planning Division This Year. So A Really Significant Amount New Blood And New Participants Which Is Exciting And Involve A Lot Of Training And But There Are Opportunities For Fresh Eyes A Lot Of Things Excuse Me. So From That Perspective Is Certainly A Positive. And The Slide Before You Here Just Gives You An Idea Of Kind Of How The Planning Division Is Is Laid Out. I Know All Of You Are Very Familiar With That But Maybe To The Benefit The Public Too. So Certainly Glen Margaret Is The Manager. We Have Two Subdivisions If You Will Current Planning And Long Range Planning. Each One Of Those Subunits Has A Senior Planner Currently In Our Current Planning Unit. They Deal With Development Review City Code Questions, Plats Conditions Permits A Whole Wide Variety Of Development Services And Other Things. I'D Say The Most Significant Thing To Note Here Is That We Now Have Two Planning Technicians So That Helps Us Provide A Lot More Service With Respect Counter And Kind Of Other Planning Reviews And Permits That The Planning Division Is Tasked With. So That'S A Development For The Division. Just A Note One Of The Planner Positions In The Division Is Structured As Hybrid Position . So That'S Why You See Kind Of The 2.5 Planners. And So As The Demand For Development Services Escalates With The Ups And Downs Of The Market And Kind Of The Number Of Applications Weee Tt Particular Position Shifted Over More To A Current Planning Role Depending On The Volume Of Things That We Have To Process And Review In Times Where There Is A Smaller Volume Of Applications That Allows Allows Us To That Planner More Towards Long Range Planning Work. And So That'S Really Helpful To Have Kind Of That Hybrid Position Built Into It On The Long Range Planning Side. So We Marked Down 2.3 Planners. The Reason For The Discrepancy Is That One Of The Long Range Planning Positions Is Structured As An 8020 Split With The Bloomington Hra And So That Particular Planner Has An Emphasis On Housing And Other Related Items That Kind Of That There'S Collaboration Between There. But Just From A Fte Perspective It'S Structured As A 8020 Piece There. So Yeah, A Lot Of A Lot Of New People In Planning This Year We'Re Getting To Speed But I Think The Good News Is Is That For The Most Part We'Re Pretty Proud Of The Ability To Keep The Projectsn Track Thi Year As Far As The Work Plan Goes And As Far As Just Getting A Number Of Things Done. And You'Re Certainly Part Of That Story Too. So Just Looking At Kind The 2022 Year In Review So Just Broken Down Into Three Buckets Plans Rezonings Regarding And Special We'Ve Had Several Larger Ones This Year The Aqr Update For The South Loop Was Significant. We Are Looking At A Plan Update That Related To A Single Family Zoning Standard Which I Think Is Pretty Significant. We Have Processed A Number Of City Code Amendments This Some Of Them Larger Than Others But All Of Them Are Complex In Their Own Ways. So That'S A Fairly Lengthy List And Is Put Forth Mostly By The Longer Range Planning Team As Far As Major Developments, You Know Development Is A Little Bit I Would Say Just Partially Down From Previous Two Years But We Had A Significant Volume Of Applications The Last Few. So Maybe This Is More In Kind Of The Normal Category. But More Sigfica Developments 8200 Humboldt Currently Under Construction The Oxbow Heights Senior Apartments Just Off Lyndale There And The Seagate Technology Addition. You Know, All Of These Are Pretty Significant Developments That Were Reviewed This Year By Planning Commission And Council. So I'M Not Going To Spend Too Much Time About Naming The Projects Here In These Next Slides But I Really Want To Highlight To You Is That The Way That We'Ve Broken It Out In The Workplan Is That These Different Projects Kind Of Fall Into Different Buckets . So I'Moreust Focusing On The Buckets So Inevitably There'S Not A Neat Break Point Or Clean Ending To These Projects Within A Particular Year. It'S Always The Case That Some Of Our Long Range Planning Projects Carry Over Into The Following Year And So I Just Want To Highlight A Couple Those That You Would Have See On Your Last Year'S Work Plan Identify Those For You And Then Identify New Projects As Well As Other Ongoing And Supportive Projects That Fall In Different Categories As Well. I Should Have Noted When I Started That Julie Lang Is Here With Me Tonight To T City Engineer Presenting So I'Ll Hand It Off To Her When The Time Is. As Far As New Projects Go This Year You Can See I Think It'S A Fairly Ambitious List But There'S A Lot Of Things That We Want To Tackle Next Year. As I Said I'Ll Get Into The Individual Projects As We Go. That'S These Are The The New Projects That We Would Be Contemplating Wrapping Up Some Of Our Carryover Work And I Should Say That This Is The Projects That We'Re Identifying As This Is More Discrete Planning Projects As Opposed To Projects That Are Ledy Staff, Other Departments Or Divisions Within The City Where The Planning Kind Of Plays A More Supportive Or Collaborative Role Ongoing In Support Of Projects. We Collaborate A Wide Variety Of Different Departments Throughout The City. The The Planner Skill Set With Mapping Data Analysis Other Things Facilitation Comes In Handy So We Certainly Collaborate A Bit. So There'S A Number Of Things That We Do On An Ongoing And Supportive Bas Bot Inommunity Developnt And Outside Peer In This Bucket. I Just Have The Projects Broken That Specifically Tied To Transportation. Maybe We'Ll Circle Back To This Slide Later. But Just To Note For You That Currently With The Projects That We Have Included In Our Work Plan I Want To Note That There Is We'Re Estimating A Demand On The Demand Side Of 4550 Hours Of Of Need Of Hours With It Coming From The Planning Department Certainly Other Departments Also Contruteo These Projects As It'S Broken Out In Your Work Plan This Is Discrete Planning Hours Only. So I Just Want To Make That Clear As We As I Kind Of Showed The The Staff Staffing Structure And Staff Capacity What We Calculate Is That We Have 4174 Hours To Contribute To These Long Range Planning Projects. Now Certainly That Falls A Little Bit Shy Of The The Goal And We'Ll Talk About Why Couple Of Things To Know Just On The Supply Side Is That We Are Budgeting A Modest Amount Of Hours From Our Planning Tax To Help Contribute To Long Range Planning Projects That Helps In Cross Training And Development Of Certainly Of That Staff But Also Helps The Planners Working On Those Projects. And Then And This Also Takes Into Account Those Splits With Respect I Talked About A 5050 Hybrid Planner And Then The 8020 Hra Planning Split. So That Is Reflected In That Number. And So In Terms Of Why Would We You Know, Proposed Amount Of Projects That Exceed Our Staff Capacity, A Couple Of Thoughts About That. One Is That As We Found From Year To Year It'S Quite Often The Case That Some Of These Projects Stretch Stretch Into The Following Year. So Certainly You There Are Some Projects That We Can Talk About Specifically In The Second Half The Third And Fourth Quarter Of 2023 That Have The Probability Or Likelihood To Extend Into The Year. That'S Part Of That Analysis. Part Of It Is Also That Some Of The Projects That Are Budgeted In The Work Plan Or May Not Require The Amount Of Hours That We'Ve Budgeted For Them. So For An Example O Budgeting I Think It Was 150 Maybe A Little Bit More Hours Towards Transportation Studies ,Quarter Studies Right Now There'S Not A Corridor Study Identified In The Engineering Scope Of Work Although There'S Been Discussion Of One Site Possibly Coming. So That'S An Example Where We'Re Budgeting And Allocating Some Time To Something That'S Not Quite Clearly Described Yet Or Definite I Should Say. The Other Thing As I Said Too Is That Just With Our Staffing Model, If The Development Side Of Things Is Slower Next Year, It'S Hard To Forecast That Precisely That Does Allow Us To Pull More Resources Into These Long Range Planning Projects As Well. So I Do Want To Highlight That And If We Get Everything Done In Our Work Plan Then Certainly Some Of Those Would Fall In The Carryover Category Or Certainly With Feedback From Planning Commission And Council We Can Also Know What Projects Have Greater Priority Than Others As. Well. I Believe There'S Been A Question The Last Few Years Is How Does How Do We Estimate A Time For Projects? Glen Certainly Been Doing This For Longer Than I Have But So If He Wants To Add Anything I'M Going To Say I Don'T Have The Actual Hour The Full Spreadsheet Here Within The Slides But What I Can Tell You Is That All Of We Have These Kind Of Project Tasks That I Have On My Slide For All Of These Long Range Planning Projects That We Propose. And So Based On Kind Of , You Know, Similar Or Comparable Projects From Prior Years, We Have Kind Of A Good Handle Or Idea Of You Know, Depending On The Complexity Of The Project, The Type Of Project You Know, How Much Community Engagement Is Going To Be Involved With The Project. It Kind Of Allows Us Put Different Our Allotments In These Different Buckets Of All Of Our Projects And That'S Ultimately Going Project By Project With These Buckets. That'S How We Get To The Total Estimation. So Getting Into The Projects Themselves I'M Not Going To Belabor Projects That You'Re Very Familiar With Because We'Ve Been Working Onhem Recently So Won'T Spend A Lot Of Time On That Unless There'S Questions. And I Also Add That If There'S You Know, Certainly We Could Talk About Individual Projects More Detail If There Are Questions About Any Of Them. So I'M Getting To The Specific Individual Projects So The The Single And To Family Zoning Update That'S Anticipated Go To City Council Here Right After The New Year. So That'S In Process We Had Do Include That As A Carryover Project The The Transitional Industrial Zoning District That Was An Outgrowth Of The Lyndale Avenue Retrofit Plan That Is Also In Process So We'Re Anticipating That Tt Come To The Planning Commission In January And Anticipated To Go To City Council In February We'Ve We'Ve Done A Study Session On That One Recently So I Don'T Think I Need To Discuss That One In Too Great A Detail The Sign Ordinance Update This Is A You Know With Some Of The Staffing Transitions And People Taking On New Roles This Is One That Maybe Is A Little Further Behind Than What We Would Like But You Know, A Complex You Know, Zoning Ordinances Be Very Complex. So We'Re Digging Into That And We'Re Getti Some Legal Support On That One As Well Given All The Case Law Around Signs That Have Come Out The Last Several. So A Complex Project I Think Currently Budgeting For That One To Go Through. I Want To Say May Of Year That Hopefully We'Ll Wrap That One Up By That Point. Single Room Occupancy I Would Say In Addition To Signs This Is One Project That Was Identified On The 2022 Workplan That We Just Did Not Move Forward Or Get Off The Ground With Some Of The Staffing Changes And So That'S Something That That Will Come Forward Here Likely To Study Sessions And We'Ll Try And Seek To Seek Some Direction From Planning Commission City Council And Likely Some With Hra As Well In Terms Of A Evaluating The City'S Existing Standards Related To Saros And Evaluating Kind Of Best Practices From Other Jurisdictions And Identify Some Potential Policy Changes Or Solutions There. The Zoning Code Reorganization You Know This Isn'T A Snazzy Project But It'S Something That We'Ve Needed To Do For A Long Period Of Time. For Those Of You That Dig Into Our Code More Regularly, You'Ll Note That The Zoning Code Has Actually Two Chapters Within It Chapter 19 And 21 With Our More Kind Of I Guess I'Ll Use The Term Modern Or More Recent Content Out In Chapter 21 With The Older Content Being In Chapter 19. This Is More Of A Clerical And Kind Of Just A Workhorse Project Of Just Getting Everything Moved Over To Chapter 21. So Hopefully We Can Consolidate The Zoning Code In One Place, Make It A Little Less For Everyday Users Or Just General Users. It'S A Tough Project Because It'S Kind Of Like Putting A Puzzle Together Cross-References All Over The Code And So It'S A Little Bit Labor Intensive In Terms Of Getting Everything In The Right Spot And Getting All Those Cross-References Correct Missing Middle Housing Standards. This Is Something That We Reviewed At A Study Session Fairly Recently. The City Council Also Did That As Well And They Were Very Supportive Pursuing Missing Metal Housing Standards And Doing A Study About That. So We'Re Forecasting To Kind Of Tackle That In Middle Of The Year And Look At Those Different Housing Types How They Can Be, You Know, Shaped And Made Appropriate With Kind Of In Other Low Density And Such. So That'S Something We'Ll Tackle In The Middle Part Of The Year Short Term Rental Regulations This Is An Item That I Think Was Requested I Want To Say Back In 2019 That We Take A Look At And Leading Up To The Pandemic The Pause Button Was Pushed On That Project Just Given With All The Uncertainty And Kind Of What Was Happening In The Hotel Market Around That Time As Well. So Something That We Want To Revisit After Hitting The Pause Pause Button On That One. Pickup Window And Parking Standards Know As Kind Of Restaurant And Other Retail Uses Have Innovated Their Own Operations Of How People Collect And Procure It Makes Sense To Take A Look At Our Standards For For Pickup Areas And How They Can How They Can Function At Sites Seamlessly And Safely Kind Of Related Items To This Might Involve Drive Thru And Some Other Things But This Was An Item That Was Added By Planning Request In Our Annual Miscellaneous Issues Ordinance Of We Do That Every Year. I Don'T Think I Need To Spend A Lot Of Time On That. Okay Now Moving Into The Category Of Plans And Special Projects So We Have Some Kind Unique And Interesting Things On The Work Plan This Year The Resilient Communities Project Is A Program At The University Of Minnesota Where They Partner With Local Governments Sometimes Up To Even County Governments On Projects That Kind Of Check A Couple Boxes Sustainability, Resiliency, Equity Other Things That Their Is Part Of Their Mission But We Filed An Application Last Fall And We Were Lucky To Be Matched Actually Two Capstone Projects At The Humphrey School Of Public Affairs For Some Graduate Level Planning Students. So It'S Something We'Re Pretty Excited About What They'Re Going To Be Tasked With As Looking At Kind Of Looking At Both Land Use Policy And Housing Policy And Investments In Housing That The City Has Made In Order To Kind Of Capture What Is The Return On Investment Of Kind Of Some Of The Policy Decisions That The City Has Made In Those Two Arenas. So It'Ll Be Pretty Interesting. It'Ll Probably Involve Some Analysis Of Kind Of Assessing Data Cost Public Services By Land Use, Kind Of Looking At What Some Of The Impacts Are Of Investments In Affordab Housing In The Community And, Other Things. So It'S Something We'Re Excited About And I Think The Students Most Likely Will Be Making A Presentation At Some Point To Your Very Hopefully So Something Kind Of Outside The Box There Plan That Council Systems System Statement So For Those Of You Who Track Regional Governance You Not The Cities All Have Their Comprehensive Plans The Met Council Has The Regional Plans So In Their Last Cycle They'Ve Updated Their Regional Transports And Plan As Well As Their Regional Parks Plan And So When Go Through Those Cycles Cities Are Required To Update Their Comprehensive To Ensure Consistency Between Those Updates Within A Period Of Time. So In This Particular Case The City Is Required To Update Our Comp Plan To Come Into Consistency I Think By June Of Next Year. So We Do Need To Budget Some Staff Time To Complete Those Changes For The Most Part They'Re I Think Relatively Modest Are Not Too Complex Just Some Kind Of Simple Map Updates And Some Other Things But Some Text Amendments But Should Be Pretty Straightforward Sanitary Sewer Funding Projects. So The City'S Sanitary Sewer System And A Few Key Locations Does Have Some Capacity Issues And A Few Areas And The City For Several Years Now Has Been Contemplate In Differen Means To Kind Of Raise More Funds To Pay For Those Who Are Upgrades That Are Needed. So In Terms Of Why Planning Department Is Part Of Leading That Is Because It Really Plays A Large Role In What Development Is Feasible In Different Areas Of The Of The Community And So We'Re Taking A Leadership Role With This Project But It Will Be Heavily Collaborative With The Public Works Department Finance Legal Departments That Are Involved In Kind Of These High Level Policies Surrounding Fees Or Raising Money For Capital Improvements . So Yeahome Just General Rezonings We Are Budgeting Time For Some Additional Rezonings That Were Recommended In The Lyndale Avenue Retrofit Are Probably Pretty Targeted And Smaller In Scope But That Was One Of The Strategies Associated With The Retrofit Plan. So Now Moving Into The Buckets Of Ongoing Supportive Initiatives This Is The One On Your Screen Here Is Something That Actually Last Year But Sustainable Building And Design Practices Standards I Think They'Ve Hit The Pause Button A Little Or Kind Of Slowed The Process Down A Little Bit To Do More Engagement Frankly As Well As Do Me Legal Analysis In Terms Of What'S Feasible For What'S Required Versus What Is Recommended Or What Can The City Incentivize With Respect To Sustainable Building Or Characteristics. So This Is Something That The Planning Department Does Staff On A Collaboration Or A Support Basis But It'S Being Led By Our Sustainability Staff, Health And All Policies. This Is A Collaborative Being Led By Public Health But You Know The Cross-Sections Between Public Health And Planning And Zoning And And Many Other Arenas The Research Of That Continues To Rise And So One Of The Things That Is Being Is Whether Or Not The City Should Adopt A Health And All Policies Approach To Some Of Our Other Activities So This Could Take On Multiple Forms It Could End Up Being Potentially Some City Code Amendments It Could Be Evaluating Certain Policy Changes That The City Does Through Like A Health Checklist Or A Health Assessment Checklist It Could This One Could Go In Several Directions But It'S Important That Planning Has A Seat That Table Because It'S Likely A Lot Of The Work We Would Do Would Would Be Touched On By A Health And All Pilot And Health And All Policies Approach Another Ongoing And Supportive Project Circling Back To Sustainability Again And Kind Of Our Gis Staff But They'Re Doing A Wide Range Of Mapping Around The Community To Identify Different Environmental Hazards You Know, Insufficient Tree Canopy, Many Other Things That Relate To Kind Of People'S, You Know, Housing And Quali Of Life In Term Of Location Where They Live, The Community. And So This Is Pretty Early On In The Process But Staff Also Does Planning Does Participate In This Collaborative Project As Well Ongoing In Support Of Initiative So Commercial Node Redevelopment Is Something That'S Going To Be On Our Workplan Probably Every Year For Know The Next Long While A Community Like Bloomington Is Always Going To Have An Interest In Working To Enhance And, Redevelop And Improve Key Smaller Commercial Nodes At Key Locations In The Community. Most Recently We'Ve Been Working On Old Cedar Old Shakopee And Trying To Work Witharious Landowners And To Kind Of Stimulate Ideas. But We Want To Make Sure That We Budget For That As Planning Staff Works With Works On These Kind Of Collaborative Groups Within Community Development Look At Commercial No Redevelopment Housing This Will Mostly Be The Responsibility Of A New Planner Coming On Board Who'S Going To Fit In That 80 Planning Hra Role But Planning Is Involved With City Code Amendments Related To Housing Particularly The Opportunity Housing Ordinance But Is Heavily Involved In Preparing The Annual Housing Report And Doing A Whole Wide Variety Of Demographic Analysis Data Tracking Kind Of Regional Trends Related To Housing As Well As Some Public Engagement. So That'Ll Continue As Well. Equity Initiatives The Planning Department Is Pretty Heavily Involved In The Community Develment Equity Action Team. Each Department Has A Reach It'S Called A Racial Equity Action Team And So There'S A Lot Of Programs Kind Of Different Initiatives That Are Being Born Of The City'S Teams And The Community Development. One Is Pretty Active And The Planning Department Is Are Active Participants In That So Certainly We Want A Budget For That. The Justine'S Program Supports Some Of You Participated In This Program. It'S Anticipated That Some You Know Some Modest Amount Of Staff Time Will Continue To Support That Project. It'S Not It'S Probably Not That Significant But You Know As People Continue At The Work Or People At The City Continue To Help Support Expunging Racially Covenants And Deeds Sometimes, Planning Staff Gets Called In To Help With That As Well And I They'Ve Participated In Some Community Engagement Events For It As Well So Here Is Where We'Ll Turn To Julie Long The City Engineer And She Will About Our Transportation And Transit Projec As Well As Give You Some Updates On Some Other Plans And Programs Going On In The City So Thank You Julie . Thanks Nick. Some Of The Projects That We'Ve Worked On And Are Continuing To Work On In The Transportation Realm Is The 98Th Street Corridor Study That Is Been Underway For A Good Portion Of This Year But It Will Continue Into 2023 And Is Looking To Wrap Up Around June. We'Re Going To Be Doing Some More Engagement With The Community On That But We'Re Also In 2023 Be Working On The Neighborhood Traffic Management Program And The Electric Infrastructure Plan As Part Of Our Bike Pad Initiatives We'Re Updating Our Active Transportation Plan And Transit Projects Which We Will Be Starting Later In 2023. The American Transit Study That We Committed To Do With Metro Transit Will Continue With Our Proactive Traffic Calming Projects And Then We Have A Couple Of Regional Issues. The Riverview Corridor Planning Is Still Underway And Then Finally The 494 Design Build Construction Projects Should Get Started Here In 2023 And That Has A Big Impact On Our Community Next Slide. So At The Last Planning Commission Meeting We Were Asked To Give A Strategic Or An Update On A Couple Of Different Items One Of Which Was The Strategic Transportation Plan Update And The First Update I Have On That Plan Is It Renamed And It Got Morphed Into The Neighborhood Traffic Management Plan On That Contract Was Just Awarded On Monday Night And Kinley Horn Is The Consultants That Was Chosen. They Are Going To Be Looking At Speed And Along With That The Speed Awareness Program They'Re Going To Continue To Look At What Engineering Does With Our Proactive Traffic Management Program With The Pmp. But They Might Also Depending On What Kind Of Engagement Lel W Get Look At Changing The Streets Sections I Know We'Ve Had Some Discussions About That Is Is Now Appropriate Time To Consider Moving Those Curb And Gutters Make Narrower Streets Or Or Is Our Next Step So That Would Be Part Of The Study Will Also Looking At The Traffic Management Program That We Currently Have For Local Streets Planning Commission Is Well Aware That Louisiana Our First Neighborhood And Our Only Neighborhood Who Went Our Whole Process To Petitn City To Do Something Different With Their Road And That Process As We All Reviewed It Is Fairly Cumbersome So We Want To Streamline It And Make It Much More Usable For Our Neighborhoods. And Then One Other Aspect Of The Neighborhood Traffic Management Plan Is We Want To Make Sure That We'Re Dovetailing Into The Park Master'S Plan. Mark Park Master Plan And There Updates. So For Instance Park Is One Of The First Parks That They'Ll Be Updating. Wee Lking A The Different Crossings Of The Road And How People Get To The Parks And Do It Safely. Are There Other Transportation Or Safety Concerns With Those Parks? So We Want To Make Sure We'Re Doing Of That. We'Ll Also Be Doing A Lot Neighborhood Engagement With This Plan And I Talked To Both Planner Johnson And Mr. Market Guard And We'Re Going To Send Out Invites To The Planning Commison So That You Know When Those Engagement Public Engagement Meetings Are Happening Of Course We'Re Going To Post Them On Let'S Talk Bloomington And, The City Website But This Is Just Be Another Head'S Up To You If You Wanted To Attend Those As Well. >> Next Slide Sidewalk Trails Update We Have A Grant From Minda To Update Our Active Transportation Plan. We'Re Calling It Part One Because One Of The Unique Conditions Of The Grant Is They'Re Not Doing A Whole Lot Of Community Outreach. So We'Ll Be Looking To Hire A Consultant To Help Us With The Engagement Of That Program And The Planning Process Just Started In November Terrace. Elma Is The Consultant And We'Re Expecting To Conclude That In 2023 It Will Be A Citywide Effort That Includes The Special Districts Like American And South Loop And One Of The Hopes That Staff Has For This Active Transportati Pla Update Is Thatt'S Going Toe Opportunistic And More Deliberative Improvements. And What I Mean By That Is With The Last Update We For Opportunities When We Had Road Construction With Federal Grant Or With The Pavement Management Program Do Some Of Our Improvements For Sidewalks And Trails Well That Hasn'T Helped Our Connectivity Of Our System Our System Wasn'T Connected Before That And With These Piecemeal Updates It'S It'S Still Very Connected And Usable. So What We Want To Do Is Make Sure That We Go Out To Connect Those Disparate Links So That It'S A Continuous And That'S Going To Be More Challenging For Planning And Council Because There'S Probably Going To Be Pushback From The Neighborhoods. There Will Beome Right Away Acquisions But We Think In The Long Run Those Tough Choices Today Will Make Easier System In The Future, More Usable For The Users Next Time . >> Continuing On The Sidewalk And Trails Update You'Re Going To Be Like Well These Aren'T Exactly Sidewalk And Trail Items And You'Re Right But They Of Feed Into The Sidewalk And Trail Program In 2023 Engineering Is Going To Be Looking At The Pmp Program And This Is Mainly How We Financed Different Things. So Right Now We Have Our Firm Reconsider Our Overlays, Our Seal Codes. Is There A Way We Reallocate Some Of Those Funds To Allow Re Bikerails And Sidewalk Installation To Happen Or Are There Other Things That We Could Be Doing So? We'Ll Be Looking At Right Sizing That Program For Today . And Then The Other Thing Is Kind Of Tail Ties Into That Because Some Of The Funding For The Pmp Overlay And The Pmp Trails Comes From The Franchise Fees And We Committed To Updating The Franchise Fees Every Years Except For Our Covid Year. So We'Ll Be Also Looking At That This Year. And Then Thene Other Thing That'S Coming Into Play Is Bloomington Together Tomorrow The Strategic Plan Update Has A Measurement Component. It Is Directly Tied To Sidewalks And Trails And That Connectivity How To Do A Better Job For Our Transportation Users Throughout The Community I Think I'Ve Done I'Ll Turn It Back Over Today. Great. Thank You Julie. One Thing That I Just Realized While Julie Was Speaking Is That I Don'T How This Happened But I Think Lost A Couple Of Slides In My Project By Specific Projects I Realized That The Slides On The South District Plan Update The South Loop Air And Also The World Expo Support Somehow Lost In My Slides. I'M Not Sure How That Happened But Just To Talk Those Three Items Briefly For A Moment Both With The South Loop Plan As Well As The Air The South Loop District Plan Has Not Been Updated For Ten Years It'S Been Something That We'Ve Contemplated Updating For The Last It Was Identified Last Year As A Potential Future Project. So As We'Re Presenting It To You This Evening We Are Including It. We Did Include The Brackets If Necessary. Well As With That On The Air Updates, I Certainly Welcome Your Feedback On That But Budgeting Both Those Items For The Second The Third And Fourth Quarter Of The Year And The Reason I Say That Is That The It'S Anticipated That The World Expo Award For Their Award Site Is Going To Happen Right At The Midpoint Of The Year So Athat Point We'Ll Have Auch Firmer Understanding What We'Re Preparing In Terms Of If We'Re Looking At Preparing For An Expo In The South Loop In 2027 Or If We'Re Not That'S Pretty Critical Information For Both Of Projects Specific To The Air If It'S Not If The City Were Not Awarded As The Host Site It'S Likely That We Would Not Need To Update The Air Because We Just Completed An Eight Hour Update Last Year If You Recall The Expo Really Would Be Very Much The Driver For That Update The Sth Of District Plan Not As Much. There Could Be Some Compelling To To Look At Updating That Plan. As I Mentioned It Was The Last Update Was Adopted In 2012 We Want To You Know Certainly Some Existing Conditions Within The South Loop Area Have Changed A Fair Amount Just From Land Use And Other Elements Happening And Kind Of Traffic Patterns And Other Things. So One Identifying That In The Plan Do Have Kind Of Just Those Expo Caveats With It But One Might Be A More Compelling Reason Than The Other Or More Attached To One Than The Other If That Makes Sense. The World Expo Component That Was Included In You Can Kind Of See It In The Screen There In The The Secondary Or The Second Half Plan. It'S Really What That'S About Is Planning Staff Support For The World Expo Something We'Re Being Pulled In On To Collaborate On This Kind Of Thinking Through What The Regulatory Environment Will Look Like For That And It'S Obviously A Very Unique Situation And So As Plans For That Continue To Develop, That'S Something That Staff The Planning Staff Often Gets Pulled Into As Part Of A Broader Collaborative Team On That Front. So I Wanted To Highlight Those Three Things. I Don'T Know How I Lost The Slide For That I Apologize But Yeah The Actual Slide Before You This Is Something We'Ve Prepared For You Every Year. This Is The Project Timing And Prioritization Matrix And So We'Re Really What This Is Identifyg I Kind Of How We See The Year Playing Out In An Under Ideal Circumstances You Know If Some Of These Priority One Or Early Year Projects Get Delayed For Variety Of Reasons, You Know, It Puts Further Strain On Some Of The The Second Priority Or Second Half Projects Certainly. But As We'Re Balancing Not Only Just A Bucket Of Hours For The Planning Staff, We'Re Always We'Re Also Trying Think Through Okay, Our Staff Has Capacity Planning Commissioners Capacity Council Has Capacity. You Have To Balance All Of Those Things Over The Course The Full Year As Opposed To Kind Of Trying To Aim All At Kind Of The Latter Part Of The Year To Bring All Of These Things To Fruition. It Just Function Well. So That'S Our Attempt To Do That. Something That'S New This Year Is This Matrix That We Provided In Your Packet Some Of Content Has Been Provided To You Before And That Specifically Related To Community And Community Engagement. So The City Of Bloomington Subscribes To The International Association Of Public Participation Model Of Outreach And Engagement I'Ll Show You On The Next Slide Kind Of What Those Different What The Spectrum Of Public Participation But The First Column In The Supplemental Matrix Has To Do With What We'Re Anticipating As The Appropriate Level Of Community Or Public Participation In These Different Projects. And Certainly As We Kind Of Plan Out And Schedule Things Also Budget Hours That Has An Important Element Of You Know How Much Time Is Planning Staff Going To Have To Dedicate To Doing Public Rticipation A Outreach Events Depending On The Nature The Project So That'S What You See In The First Column. The Second Column Is We Just Wanted To Clearly Identify Projects That We Were We Could Put It In Three Buckets. We'Re Confident There'S A Planning Commission Required Role As Part Of This. Maybe Maybe There'S A Role And Then On A Few Projects Not Many I Think There Was We Identified As No Formal Role That Doesn'T Mean You Certainly Can'T Participate In Those Projects It Just Means That Not Required By City Code Or Kind Of In Your Advisory Is Kind Of The Charge Of The Planning Commission. The Third Column In The Supplemental Matrix Has To Do With Where We Think There'S Opportunities To Collaborate With Other Boards And Commissions. I Know That You All Had A Couple Of Collaborative Or Joint Meetings With The Hra. I Know There'S Been Some Desire Maybe Even Look At Some Other Boards And Commissions Of Where Your Priorities Align And Where Kind Of Opportunities Collaborate Exist. So We'Re Certainly Going To Look At That And This Is Our Attempt To Kind Of Identify What In Terms Of The Projects We'Re Putting Forth Where Are These Opportunities For Collaboration? It Might Not Always The Form Of A Joint Meeting. It Could Be Planning Staff Going To Present At The Hra. You Know We'Re Working On This Or We'Re Working On Missing Middle Housing Because There'S Certainly Other Boards And Commissions That Take A Keen Interest In Some Of The Things That We'Re Working On. So It Might Just Be Information Sharing And Kind Of Getting Their Feedback As Well. So As We Kind Of Lay Out These Projects Will Continue To Track That And Kind Of Think About Opportunities For Collaboration. I Know Glen Will Think About Opportunities For Joint Meetings Where They'Re Appropriate, Where We Can Get You Know, Multiple Items On One Agenda In Order To Kind Of Maximize The Efficiency That Julie Long Mentioned The Strategic Plan In The Fourth Column We Do Have We Do Want Identify Areas That These Projects Are With Different Strategies Of The Strategic Plan. So We'Re Tying Back To That. It Was A Very Robust Community Driven And We Want To Make Sure That We'Re Being Consistent Here Again As That Spectrum Of Public Participation Believe This Was Shared With You Last Year But If Not Here It Is Basically It Goes From Kind Of The On The Left Hand Side Is The The Lower Level Of Public Participation All The Way To The Empower Side As The Greatest Level. So It'S Just Kind Of Thinking About Kind Of What The What Role Public Participation Will Play In The End Product And Policy That You Or The City Council Adopts. Future Projects I Won'T Spend A Lot Of Time On Tha Right Now But You Can See Just Some Things That Have Been And Contemplated As Part Of Plan Past Efforts Right Now I Think Our List Is Pretty Ambitious As It Is So There Might Some You Know, Some Of These Things Might Slip But I Hope Not. But As As We Continue To Go On And Certainly The Expo Could Be A Driver Other Significant Changes Next Year We'Ll Continue To Add To This List As We Contemplate Our 2024 Work Plan So These The Kind Of Same Tickler Questions That Have Been Provided To You In The Past Should Projects On Either The 23 Or 24 List Be Removed? Should Any Projects Be Added In Your Estimation? And Finally, Should Any Be Prioritized If Yes, Then What Other Projects Would You Kind Of Put Further Down The In Terms Of Their Critical Nature, Their Timeliness? So I'Ll Certainly Stay On For Questions. Julie Is Available For Questions Glenn Might Answer Some Questions Staff Is Here To Help Us Work Through It So All Right. Thank You All. This Is Veryood Work. I Know A Lot Of Effort Goes Into Planning To Put The Effort So Thank You For That Discussion And Our Questions For Staff Commissioner Then. Thank You, Mr. Chair. Mr. Johnson One Item That Sticks Out To Me Is The South Loop District Plan Update That'S Something I'Ve Mentioned Before. I'D Like To See An Update Too And It Remains I Want To See An Update To I Understand We Should Wait Until The World'S Expo Has Been Determined And Hopefully Were Successful In That And That Changes Our Approach A Little Bit. But Even If We'Re Not Awarded The Expo I Do Think That Plan Needs An When You Look At Some Of The Development That Has Happened Particularly In The Last Few Years, I Don'T Think It Meets The Vision Of Is In That Plan Today And So I Think That Plan Needs To Be Updated And And Some Consideration Is Made Of How Do We The How Do We Get The Development We Want And It'S My Opinion That We'Ve Settled A Little Bit Or Not Gotten We Want Particularly Around Bloomington Central Station And Some Of Our Really Opportunistic Locations That We'Re Not Seeing What We Want And As Commissioner Rohman Knows The Vague Plot Of Oasis The Underneath The Runway, The North-South Runway That I Think Has The Potential To Be A Park And We'Re Not Maybe Totally Sure If It Can Or Not . I'D Like To See Us Look Into That And Find A A Firm Solution On What Could Or Could Not Be. So That'S The Thing That Sticks Out To Me. I Know It Has The Practice Of If Necessary To Me That Is Necessary And We Need To Get That Plan Updated. It'St'Sut Of Date And It Use Some Touching Up The Rest Of It I Did Look Closely And I'M Really Support Of The Way Things Have Been Grouped And Laid Out And I Think The Priorities Sense And I Don'T Have Any Other Comments I Think Staff Is Right On The Money With What They'Ve Proposed. Any Additional Comments, Suggestions, Feedback? Commissioner Korman Thank Chair. This Is Definitely A Lot Of Work. I Right Aot Of Time Put Into This Is Just Presentation Alone It'S Like A Lot It'S Well Done So I Truly Appreciate All Those Put In All Of This Together To Bring It To Us Tonight As Well As The Individual Work That'S Being Poured Into Each One Of Those Projects Throughout Throughout The Years And Especially The Last This Year In The Thoughts Of What'S Coming Next For The List That You Have For Other Initiatives ,If You Could Go Back To That List Yeah, I Think That'S The One You Just Went To One The Big One. Yeah When You Have Yeah That One Yes. For Those Older Where There'S Not A Specific Time Said I'M Guessing It'S Because Most Of Those Are Embedded Into The Ones In Green In Law Anyway But Just Looking More Into The Equity Initiatives Equity Because Everything We Do Has To Be Related Has To Have Equity Related To To End To Any Of Them. But Can You Talk A Little Bit More About Those Initiatives If There'S Something Else That That We Are Maybe Expected To See Happen That We Haven'T Heard About? You Just Talk A Little Bit About Please. Thank You. Yeah, Sure. Ramon Commissioner Korman, Thank You For That Question. I'M I Always Welcome The Opportunity To Speak About Clea Reads And Kind Of Different Activities That We'Re Doing. So I Mean Number One It'S Just A Really Great Opportunity To Collaborate Staff All Over Community Development. It'S Really Easy To Kind Of Put Your Head And Just Focus On Whatever Roles And Responsibilities You'Re Charged With In Your Particular Division. So This Every Division Within Development Has Participants And Members Who Kind Collaborate On Projects That Touch All Of Us As Opposed To Kind Of Focus On Our Particular Areas. So That'S One Significant Benefit Of It But It Also Just You Know, Thinking Of Cusing On Tngsrom A From The Mission Or From The Charge Of Improving Racial Equity, Getting More Equitable Outcomes In The Arenas Of Housing Zoning, You Know, Building These Are Things That Historically Have Not Been Very Favorable To Advancing Racial Equity Thinking About Kind Of The Last 100 Years Or Maybe Even Beyond That But It'S Things That Touch On Really The Fundamental Parts Where There Is Inequity Within The Community Kind Of Housing Outcomes, Otr Elements, Transportation, Other Things. So You Know We Work On A Wide Variety Of Things Similar To This Exercise Is What We'Re Doing Here Tonight. We Actually The The Cd Read Actually Has A Workplan And So We'Re About To Embark On Updating Our Workplan For The 2023 Year And Identify All Sorts Of New Projects. But It Turns Out, You Know, Things That Happened Last Year Some Of It Involves Auditing Or Evaluating Our City Code To See If There Are Areas That That Can Advance Racial Equity In Ter Of Anging Our City Policy There'S Programing Things. So The Building Department For Example A Set Credit Program To Help Entrepreneurs From Marginalized Communities Kind Of Get Their Businesses Off The Ground. So With Sac Fees And Other Things We'Re Evaluating Projects That Certainly Do A Flier For A Relevant Planning And Zoning We'Re Investigating For This Coming Year Doing Maybe Facade Improvement Program At Businesses And Other Things. We'Ve Also Done Some We'Ve Been Out At Some Of The Schools During Presentation And Some Opportuniti To Kind Bui That For Relatiohip With The Schl District I Ink Is Good And Getting Our Kind Of Our Names And Faces In The Community And So They Who We Are And Frankly Know That There Are Opportunities To Work In Government And Do Something That You'Re Passionate About And Get Those Opportunities. You Know There'S Things That Cory Works On That It'S Not Solely I Don'T Want To Say Claim Credit For It'S Just Cd But We'Re Also Talking About Doing A Workforce Development Program Or At Least Staff Is Involved In Supporting Kind Of The Design And Getting That Off The Ground. I Believe It'S Been Named Bloom And Bloomington. I Don'T Know If You'Ve Heard Of It But It'S An Opportunity To Work With Students Or Residents Of The Community To Try And Pair Them With Internships With Businesses In The Community. So These Are That This Is Kind Of The Flavor, The Type Of Things Kdhe Works On And I ,I Shouldn'T Say That All Of You Know,Ll Of Ourork With Related To Equity Initiatives Is Solely On Solely On Cd, Right? There Are Other Things That We Do Get Pulled Into For Our For Our Guidance, For Our Expertize. I Will Note That, You Know, Kind Of An Outgrowth Of The City'S Equity Staff Is Including Racial Equity Impact Assessments On Some Of Our Major Policies That We Look At. So Have Seen Probably Some Of Those Different Points And Some Of The Things You'Ve Reviewed Areas They'Re Called So Maybe I'Ll Leave It There I Probably, I Get A Little Excited. Thank You. Yeah. Mmisoner Abdi Tha You Chair Well You'Ve Shown Us Like The Amount Of Work You Guys Are Doing And Will Be Doing So I Really Appreciate All The Work That'S Happening . It'S Something That I Would Love To See In Upcoming Yearly And Reports Like These Are Like Adding Financials To It Because All These Projects By Name Maybe You Already Have Those On Hand But All These Projects Are Like Giving Just Like Name And Like Total Number Of Projects But How Much Investment Actually Came To Many Came To Bloomington At Yearhether It Is In Permit Value Or Estimated Project Cost Because You Have To Do To Determine A Permanent Imagine You Look At The Estimated Project Cost To Come Up With A Number But Those Are Really Know Kind Of Helpful Things To Look At Or Things That We Can Celebrate And So This Is How Much Investment Came To Bloomington So I'D Love To See That Be Incorporated In The Upcoming Presentations For The Next Year That German Actress Sure. I Mean That'S A Great Suggestion. Thank You For Doing That. Our Timelines Probably Don'T Fit Perfectly With Assessing But I Bet We Can Figure Something Out I Don'T Kno What Gn Tnks But I Think Assessing An Annual Or In Building I Would Think In Terms Of Their Permit Revenue But I Don'T Know. Do You Have Anything To Add Glenn Know Jerome And Commissioner Abdi Are Building An Inspections Tracks That Closely So We Could Definitely Add That Information To Our Reports As Well. Yeah Mr. Cookson Looks Like You Were Going To Say Something There. I Was Just Going My Observations Go Ahead. I Do Have A Specific Question, Mr. Johnson, I Shod Have Emailed You Because There May Not Be So Many To Answer It But On Your Future List You Add Trailhead Connections To The Minnesota River Valley That Was Also Included At Our Meeting A Month Or So Ago When We Review The Ten Year A.S.A.P And That Was In The 2023 Budget To Do Some Of The Trailheads In The South Loop. Can You Help Maybe Clarifier Close The Loop For Me What'S Being Done And What'S Not Being Done In 2023? Yeah Chairman Commissioner Cook Then You Know I Actually Am Not The Most Adept Or Adroit Person To Answer That That I Use That Word Person To Answer That Question. Julie I Don'T Know If You Have Any Feedback There. >> I Can Say Yeah We Are Looking At Doing A Trail Connection Near The Syrian Parking Ramp So We Need To Acquire Some Right Of Way So We'Ve Started To Investigate That Process. The Other Thing I Do Have To Share With You We'Ve Received Really Good News Is That The Minnesota Valley Tri-State Trail Has Recently Through The Federal Senate As A Project Passed And It Should Get Passed By The House Either Tonight Or Tomorrow To Build Another Segment From Lyndale Over The Nine Mile Creek And That Would Include The Bridge. So I Think Those Trail Connections Are Going To Ramp In Priority As The State Trail Continues To Get Constructed. Yeah. Thank You. Ms. Lg Yeah. One Of The Things I Hear Just In Neighborhood Is The South. The President Is People Are Very Excited About Those Trail Connections. They'Re Asking Me When They'Re Going To Happen And I Know If Some Of It Was In The 2023 Budget And So Yeah People Are Looking For Those And I Think That'S A Benefit To The Development Of That Neighborhood If We Can Show You Know Developers Look You Get Down To The River Valley Here You Don'T Have To Walk A Mile To Get To The Visitor Center And Walk Back Down If That If Those Trails Were Connected I Think That Is A Benefit To The City In Terms Of Developnt And Everything Else That'S Happening In South Loop And So Prioritizing That Work And Starting To See Some Of Those Connections Get Made Is A Priority For Me And I Hope To See That Happening Over The Next Few Years Years Will Just Echo Some Of The Things That My Colleagues Have Said. I Think To Commissioner Cook Dan'S Point I Think The South Loop Update I Think Is Of The Question What The Scope Will End Up Being. I Think It Makes Sense To Wait But It Does Sound Like I Defer To His Judgment As Seone Who Spends More Time In The Area Than I Do That If And I Know The Staff Feels Like There'S Probably Some Need For Update Whatever The Scope Of That May Be. So I Would Keeping That In There Whatever Scope Feels Right July I Think That'S Forgotten About Runway Park You Know To Our Parks Plan At Some Point I Think That'S A That Would Be A Maybe As Part Of The World'S Fair That Would Be To Get Some Leverage Some Funds To Do That. Absolutely. I Ahank You Engeer Lg For The Creative Approach To The Neighborhood Traffic Thing. I Think I Recognize That I Have Been A Squeaky Voice On Some Of Those Issues For A While. I Like The Idea Of Integrating Of Those Things. My Question Is How Does How We Also Then You Also Talked About The Atp. How Do We Integrate Some Of That In With This Or Should It Be Integrated Or Is Complementary Or How To Or Is A Yes And Mr. Chair, I Think They'Re Yes And And We Concerned About Them All Getting Integrated As Well So In Each Of The Scope Of Works That We Worked On We Mentioned That These Other Things Are Happening And They'Re Going To Have To Dovetail Together Because We Are One Community We Can'T Have One Plan That Says Do Thing And Then On The Different One That Says Do Thing B And Especially If They'Re Not Complementary So That That Going To Be A Challenge That Staff Is Going To Have To Keep Them Are Kind Of Hurting All The Cats In The Same Direction So That We Get A Good Product In The Out Of All Of Those Three Studies That Are Either Started Or Will Be Starting Here In January And Then The Two Potentially Two More That Will Be Coming Later In The Year. Great. Thank You. And I Think Just A Point Of Feedback I Think This Specific Slide In This Topic, I Think This Would Be A Possibly Area That Would Be Really Ripe For Some Sort Of A Joint Meeting And I Could See It Based On Some Of The Conversations I'Ve Been In The Last Few Months You Know This Gets Into Planning, This Gets Into Sustainability, This Gets Into Equity, This Gets Into Health And Our Policies, This Gets Into I Lost My My Last One Anyways The Point Is It It Overlaps Lot Of The Things That The City Is Working On In The Commissions Are Working On And So I Could See This Just This Topic Alone Being An Area Where There Could Be Some Rich Between A Couple Of Different Commissions And Boards As Well As To You Mentioned The Strategic Plan It'S Very Explicit About The Topic Of Alternative Transportation. So This Seems Like One Where You Know Maybe It'S The Consultant As Well But That Feels Like An Area Where We Could Have Se Cro Fertilization. But This Is An Overall A Good Plan And I Thank You For The Work And Anyone Else Plano Johnson Are You Looking For A Motion Of Approval On This Item? Yeah, I Think I'M Off My Powerpoint Game Tonight. That'S Okay Because I Didn'T Include A I May Or Recommendations Like Something In But Yes It'S On Your Cover Sheet I Think We'Re Looking For A Motion To Rec To Provide A Recommendation To The City Council For Their Meeting In January Takes Yeah Commissioner Korman Thank You In Case People 2022 To 39 I Move To Recommend Approval Of The 2023 Planning Commission Work Plan As Attached To Packet Second Thank You A Motion A Second Any Further Discussion Seeing That All Those In Favor Say I I Opposed The Motion Passes This Will Be On The January Ninth City Council Meeting As Well. It'S Not A Public Hearing But It Will Be There. Thank You Both Of You For This Good Work. Item Three Is Our Regular Policy And Issue Update And I Will Look To The Planning Manager For Items He Has Chair Room And Commissioners Looking Forward To Your Next Meeting. It'S January 12Th Three Weeks Off Here And We Have Three Items On That Agenda. We Have A Privately Initiated City Code Amendment Relating To Use New Use Definitions College University Complimentary Retail And Complimentary Medical Office. And Then Our Second Item We Have City Code Amendments Adding The New Transitional Industrial Zoning District. You Reviewed That As A Study Item. This Would Be A Public Hearing And Then As Associated With That We Have The Rezonings Of Land From The I3 District To The New Transitional Industrial District For Several Properties On Lyndale And The Third Item We Have A Study Item On Sign Ordinance Update. So That'S What We Have On January 12Th And Then The Next Meeting After That. The Agenda Is Not Set Yet. We Haven'T Hit Our Deadline For That Meeting Okay. I Will Note On January 12Th I Will Not Be Present. The Vice Chair Kicked In . Will You Be Present? I Don'T Have My Phone On Me But I Will Confirm That And Let Know If I'M Not. But You Can Assume I Will Be Here, Right? Thank You. Any Other Items For Me To Bring Forward This Time? All Right. Seeing Now Once Again Thank The Staff For Their Great Work This Year And Look Forward To Another Productive Year In The City In 2023. And With That Commission Is Adjourned Until January 12Th"