" EVENING AND WELCOME TO Th Marchinth Meeti Of The Bloomington Commission. The Planning Commission Is Made Up Of Seven Volunteer Residents Appointed By The City Council. The Commission Advises The City Council On Development Proposal Development Standards Long Range Planning And Transportation Issues. Our Work Is Informed By City'S Comprehensive Plan, Various District Plans And The City Code For Some Items The Commission Makes A Recommendation With The City Council Having The Final Decision Making Authority In Other Cases The Planning Can Approve Or Deny An Application Subject To An Appeal To The City Council For Each Actually And There Will Be A Staff Report An Opportunity For The Applicant To Present Then Time For Any Member Of The Public To Provide Testimony. Our First Order Of Business Tonight Is The Pledge Of Allegiance. Please Stand As You Are Able. I Pledge Allegiance The Flag Of The United States Of America And To The Republic For Which It Stands One Nation Under Indivisible With Liberty And Justice For All. And I'D Like To Begin With An Overview Of How To Provide Remote Testimony This Planning Magic Marker Guide Chair Chair Rohman Commissioners Good Evening. If We Have A Couple Of Public Hearings Tonight And If Anybody Watching At Home Would Like To Testify Remotely, They Certainly Can. What You Would Do Is Call The Phone Number On The Screen And Then Enter In The Access Code Will Apache Through Uh During The Public Hearing Portion Of The Meeting We Will Have This Number On The Screen During Those Public Hearings. Thank You. The First Item Is A Public Hearing For A Privately Initiated City Code Amendment. That Item Has Been Withdrawn By The Applicant And May Be Resubmitted In A Different Form At A Later. The Second Item Is Another Public Hearing. It Is The Bloomington Central Station Master Sign Plan And We Have Planners And Has The Presentation. The Co-Chair Okay, Great. Good Evening, Planning Commissioners. The Second Item The First Item Was Withdrawn But We'Ll Be Talking About Bloomington Central Station Specifically, A Master Sign Plan. So We'Ve Seen Various Developments Through The Planning Commission City Council Over The Years And This One'S A Little Bit Different. No Building New Buildings Are Proposed With Light. You'Ll Be Ask Act On Tonight But It Really Relates To A Coordinated Signage Plan For The Whole Plan Development And So I Have An Image Aerial Image The Existing Conditions On And On Screen Here The Blue Line On The Screen Is For The Blue Line As You Probably Know And. You Know One Thing I'Ll Note Is You Know, You See An Outline Of The Building And I Have An Image Of Of That In A Few Slides But. This Is A Site That'S Under Construction Carn 31Rocery Building As Well And Construction And You Can See The Footprint There. But Just To Orient Commission If You Can See My Cursor We Have The Hyatt Regency Hotel Just To The North Of The Park Indigo Apartments, Finley Apartments. We Have Reflections Condominiums Which Commissioner Kirkland Is Very Familiar With Health Partners In The Lower Center Portion Of The Site And Then In The Southwest Portion We Have A Parking Structure As Well As Some Surface Stalls. The Office Building South Of Easl Of The Road Ceridian Obviously Close Proximity But It'S Not In The Bloomington Central Station Development So We Have A Multiple Phase Developments Like Peaks Or Blocks In Central Station That Comes Along With A What We Call A Preliminary Development Plan Or Pdp And I Have The Bxp On Screen And You Can See You I Could See The Detail But You Can See The Footprints Of Buildings And A Lot Of It Is Phases That Have Been Completed. The Phases That Have Yet To Be Completed Are Obviously Much More Generic Because They Don'T Have Detailed Site Planning Or Architecture That Has Been Created Yet. So Those Are More General But But It Gives An Idea Of What The Scale Of The Development Is The Intensity Of The Development And Gi Where Different Land Uses Would Be Located Within Peaks And The Pdp The Basis For The Master Sign Plan Which Is An Alternative To The Just The Traditnal You Apply For Asylum Permit We Review That Site Permit In Relationship The City Code And If It'S Called Complying You Get A Permit This Master Site Plans A Little Bit Different Where It Allows The City To Consider Signs That Aren'T Quite Up To Compliant With City Code Essentially Allow Some Flexibility And Relation To Signage So You'Re Not Going To Read It But Blue Rectangle Represents Some Type Of Sign And A Couple Of Things I Note In The Staff Report That I Think Are Worth Mentioning Is Most Othe Sns Tt You See On This Image Existing And Code Compliant. So With The Indigo Or The Fennelly Health Partners Reflections For Example No Signage Is Being Proposed For Reflections. It'S Not The Developer'S Property And Everything That Is Out There Today Complies With City Code So There Wouldn'T Be A Need To Propose A Master Sign Plan. But There Are A Couple Things That The The Property Owner And Developer Feels Is Important To The Viability Of Their Development And To Advertise And Help Bring People Into The Site Through Signage And That Is Beyond What We Could Approve Just Through A Standard Permit A Little Bit Of A Few Several Images Of What Bikes Looks Like Today I'M Sorry This It Was Very Gray Outside But You See The Existing Conditions And You See The Indigo Family Both Apartment Buildings The Family Has Fiddlehead Which Is A Coffee Shop In The Center. There'S Actually Three Signs In This Image There Is The Health Partners I'M Building Sign Urbana Which Is A That Has A Blade Style Sign And Then Regency Which Has A Small Ground Sign In The Right Side Of The Slide You See American Boulevard In Each Direction The Top Right Is Looking Towards The Mall Really Isn'T Much Out There Other Than A Very Wide Right Of Way Of Course. And Then In The Bottom You Can See Facing East Towards 34Th Avenue And You See Indigo And Then Another Small Hyatt Ground Sign. So Just Gives You An Idea Of What'S Out There Today, The Scale Of The Signage That'S Out There Today And Will Compare That To What Is Being Proposed. One Thing I Think Is Relevant To The Discussion Is Different Zoning Districts That Are Applied To Different Sites In South In The South District So The Outline In Blue That Is You Know The Upper Limits Of Central Station Along American Boulevard West And Then To The North That We Have Predominatelyffic Development With, Some Hotel Development And That'S Zoned C For Freeway Office And You Know It'S Important To Note That Even Though These Developments Are Across The Street From Each Other The Current Standards As Opposed To Signage As It Relates To Signage Is Very Different. So What You Could Do North The Street I.E. A 20 Foot Monument Sign 100 Square Feet You Could Not Do South Of The Street And That I Played Into Whether Or Not The Applicant Felt Like It Was Worthwhile To. Seek A Master Sign Plan Milarly On T South End We Have A Similar Situation Where Ceridian For Example Is On C Four. They Have A Different Sign District That They Have To Comply With North Of So Shakopee It'S It'S The Hsr Which Is More Limited Or More Pedestrian Oriented In Its In Its Design Standards Couple Other Signage That Exist In South Loop That Would Not Be Permitted By City Code I Included The One On The Left In Your Staff Report That'S For Home Suites True And Really Bold. That'S A 20 Foot 20 Foot Tall Sign A Hundred Square Feet In A Sign Face The Limitation In The Hsr Our District Eight Feet So Quite A Bit Lower Than That And Then To The Right We Have A Couple Of Monument Pylon Style For Hotels Along American Boulevard West So Again I'M Trying To Give You An Idea For What'S Out There And Based On Our Traditional Zoning Code Standards On The Other Side Of The Street, What Permitted Now This Is A Proposed Monument Sign And That'S Proposed In Two Locations One Along American Boulevard And, Then The Other Along East Or Chuck Abbey Road. And This Is A That Requires Some Flexibility And You Can See The Sign Copy Portion I Have Outlined Is 58 Square Feet But You Can See The Overall Mass Of The Sign Is Beyond The Eight Foot Limit And The Total Square Footage If You Draw Box Around That Entire Sign Is Beyond Is Larger Than The 100 Square Feet Limitation So This Is A Sign Either Would Have The Developer Would Have To Seek A Variance Which Are Very Hard To To Meet The Findings For Or They Could Think More Plan Development Wide And Prepare A Master Sign Plan And That'S That'S What They Chose To Do. Kotkin Also Gave A Model Of What That Sign Looks Like Along American Boulevard East And That'S What You See Before You Again. This Is A Model But It Gives You Flar For What In This Case The 15 Foot Portion Is Closest To The Street. What That Looks Like Relative To, A Pedestrian Or A Vehicle Driving Along The Street. So On The Left You Have An Estimate Of What It Would Look Like 100 Feet Away And Then The Model Shows What It Would Look Like 150 Feet Away. The Alternative That They Are Considering Is A Sign Along East Valley Road But They Aren'T Quite Sure Where. The Master Sign Plan Shows Potential Locations They'Re Not Proposing Three Monument Signs They'Re Proposing One Monument Sign But They'Re Not Sure Where They Want It. So Just Give Them Some Flexibility. They Included Three Potential Locations For The Sign The Same Scale Height And Sign Area But Along East Jakob Road The Other Sign Of Signs That Necessitate Master Sign Plan Relate To The The Most Recent Phase You See A Space For Residential And This Is The Six Story Apartment Building With The Grocery And That'S As You See In The Image Well Under Construction But I'Ve Identified A Couple Of Areas Where They'Re Proposing Signage One Where That Kind Of Oval Is That'S North Elevation Facing Towards American Boulevard That'S Going To Be For The Grocery And That Is A Channel Letter Style Sign The Two Little Red Circles That You See Also In The North Elevation They'Re Proposing Those As Small Cabinet Signs So Bloomington City Code Does Not Allow That You Have To Pick A Building By Building It'S Either Channel Letter Or Cabinet The Caveat As You'Re Allowed To Do A Mix But It'S A Proportion Based Standard That We Have To Do Some Calculating Calculating But What They'Re Proposing Would Not Be Permitted And That'S What The Elevations Look Like. You See The Grocery Sign Where That Oval Was And Then You See The Two Sll Cinet Signs Along The First Level. So That Was A Whirlwind Of Images But We Do Feel Like This Development As As We Mentioned The Staff Report Meets The Findings For A Master Sign Plan The Overall Amount Of Signage If You Think Of Signage An Area Is A Fraction Of What The City Hall Allows But They'Re Proposing A Couple Of Signs That Don'T Quite Meet The Standard. And So We Feel That The Amount Of Time Taken To Design The Signs Is Does Warrant A Sign Plan Approval And That Is Our Recommendation For Thank You Questions For Staff I Do Have One Question If You Could And I Don'T Think Any Of The Signs That Are Proposed Are In These Areas But On The The Map Of The Of The Area On The Early Slides So The Signs That Are Proposed Are Perimeter And The Perimeter Part Of The Sign Plan, Correct? That'S Correct. They Know Some Of The Streets In Ts Developmentre Private Streets Versus Public Streets But All The Ones That Are Proposed Are On Public Streets And The It'S Actually Both Some Of The Signs Related To The Carbon 31 Those Signs That Were Shown In That Building Elevation Yep Those Are Be Adjacent To Private Street Where The The Monument Sign That We Depicted Those Would Be On Those Signs Would Be Along Public Streets Thank You Kushner Gottesman Thank You Chair Centenario I'M Looking At The Placement Or The Possible Placement Of These Large Signs. Are There Any Around Obstruction Of Visibility Or The Corners For Both Pedestrians And Or Cars? Sure Sure. Or Jerome And Commissioner That Is A That'S Always A Concern With Signage And To Address The Potential Issues Of Obstruction, You Know, Both Just Physical Obstruction But Then Also Especially Visible You Know We Want This To Be A Pedestrian Friendly Area, You Know, Where People Feel Safe Walking. We Do Have Setck Standards That Still Would Apply. And So There'S There'S Signs Setback Requirements From Property Boundaries And In Addition To That Depending On What Sort Of Public Easements May Be In Place Might Actually Increase The Setback A Little Bit If There'S A If There'S A Wide Easement, The Sign Also Has To Be Outside Of That Easement. And Then Also We Have Clear View Triangle Standards Where You You Have You Measure At A Distance From Where A Driveway ,A Street You Create A Triangle And Then The Sign Cannot Be Within That Triangle . Great. Thank You Commissioner Updated Information. Thank You Chair Just To Clarify In Question For The Folks Watching At Home I Know This Is A Huge And When You Say Developer And You Have Like Multiple Buildings And There Are Upcoming Buildings Planned For The Future Is It Like One Particular Developer Building This Entire Site Different Phases Over Time Are We Having Different Developers Who Will Would Comply Possibly With The Master Sign Plan That We'Re Trying To Approve Tonight Like Just Give Us A General Description Of That Jerome And Commissioner Ivey That'S Great Question In Terms Of Who'S Development Developing A Particular Site, It Could Be The Master Developer Mcguff They Are Developing Carbon 31. They Developed The Fennelly Or They Might Have A Transaction A Different Party To Develop A Future Phase. So It Could Be It Could Be Either. But Your Question On Would The Master Plan Apply To Them? It Would. So The Master Sign Plan Applies To The Entire Plan Development. So For A Future Phase If Whether It'S A Golf Master Developer Or A Different Entity, If They Wanted To Do Something That Wasn'T In Alignment And Compliant With City Code They Would Have To Seek A Revision To The Master Sign Plan. It Would Be It Would Be Back Before You Got It. Yeah, That Makes Sense. Thank You. I Was Just Trying To Remind Myself It'S Big. This Is Exciting For The Folks Watching At Home Like You Know ,Trying To Connect The Dots Essentially Does Wayfinding Clud Is It Included Part Of The Way The Signage That We'Re Talking About Goes? These Are Like Either Monument Signs Signs That Are Connected To Buildings Essentially But Are There Because This Is A Huge Site That It'S Not Like In A Box Per Se And All The Buildings Are Situated Throughout The Different Parcels In In The Development Are Like Wayfinding Is Wayfinding In Here It Was Even Wayfinding Included In The Calculations For Signs Jerome Commissioner Of The In The Master Sign Plan There Are Details On The Wayfinding And I Guess I Like To Think Of Signage At This Scale As It Comes In Layers. The Top Layer Is Essentially The Flexibility That They'Re Seeking For The Two Large Monument Signs That'S Kind Of Outward Facing To Increase The Visibility Of Tenants And The Development As A Whole To The Motoring Public. It'S More Of An Out Oriented Sign Along American Boulevard And East Or Shakopee Which Is Frankly A Very Auto Oriented Environment. But Then You Have Subsequent Layers Where You Have Monument For Individual Phases Or Or Sites But Then Along With That You Have Layers Below That That Are More Addressed To Make Sure You Know Where You Are. And Then There'S Also Wayfinding Signs Directing People To Different Locations. So All Of That Is Included In The Master Sign Plan Other Questions For Staff With The Applicant Like To Speak On This Item You Want To Comment Go Ahead And Sign In On The Sheet So We Have It For The Record Though I Know The Staffer Where For The Applicant Is But My Name Is Ryan Simpson I'M Representing The Architect For The Developer Developer Is Also Hereo Goo Ening Commissioners No Real Presentation Make I Think Mike Did A Wonderful Job Kind Of Presenting Our Proposal We'Re Just Here To Answer Questions As They Come Up So Thank You. Questions For The Applicant Commissioner Cook Then Thank You Mr. Chair One Thing Is I Drove Around Bloomington Or Any Other City Some Of These Monuments Signs The Tenants Change And Then The Signage Looks Little Difrentrom Every Tenant. The Brown Is A Little More Dark Or The Fonts A Little Different. I Think It'S Actually A Very Distracting From The Signer The Development Itself Is There A Plan Place To Make Sure That What'S Being Put Here Can Be Replicated As Tenants Change Etc. Know Of The People From Mygov Can Speak To I Think The The Intent Is That We Kind Of Maintain The Character Of The Sign. There'S Been A Lot Of Thought Put Into Basically Bringing Consistency Tohe Dferent Types Of Sign Whether It Be Wayfinding Or Building Signage At The Same Time I. Guess I'Ll Add That For The Building Signage Lots Of They Are Kind Of Communicating Identity For That Particular Property Or That Particular Building But I Think The Intent Of The Master Sign Plan Is That Within The Larger Bcc'S Development That There Remains Consistency Even If There'S Kind Of Turnover With Tenants. Other Questions For The Applicant Applicant Considering This Is A Master Sign Plan If You Will And Yet We Know That The Development Not Fully Built Out Do You Anticipate Eventually Will Be Requests For Additional Monument Type Signs Of These Big Ones That Are Really The Ones That Are Different Than Expected In This Area? I Would Say No Just I Mean Part Of The Purpose Of Putting Together This Master Sign Plan Was To Kind Of Forecast What Might May Be Developed And Part Of The Onus That Might Kind Of Put On Us Was To Anticipate Where We May Need Future Flexibility. So Right Now We Feel Comfortable That The Flexibility That We'Re Asking For Is The Extent To Which We Will Know What We'Ll Ask For Otherwise We Understand You Know, If It'S Some If It'S Something That' Not Whin Theramework Of This Master Sign Plan We Would Have To Apply For New Master Sign Plan Down The Road. Okay So Of Those I Think I'M Reading Materials Correctly The Those Larger Ones That We Saw The Mockup The 18 Foot Type Of Thing There'S Only Two Of Those Envisioned That Accurate Yes That'S Accurate Thank You. Other Questions For The Applicant. Thank You. Okay. Is Item Is A Public Hearing And So I Will Open The Public Hearing. Is There Anyone In The Chambers Would Like To Speak On This Item? Okay. And Do We Have Anyone On Line ? Truman We Have No One On The Line. Okay. Seeing No One In The Chambers, No One On Line I Would Entertain A Motion To Close The Public Hearing So Moved A Second. Thank You. We Have A Motion In The Second To Close The Public Hearing. Is There Any Discussion Seeing That All Those In Vor Of Clong T Public Hearing Say I Opposed The Public Hearing, It'S Closed Discussion Among The Commission Commissioner Ali I'M In Support The Application That'S Proposed I Think The Site Is Huge Enough That It Definitely Would Benefit From A Master Plan So I Am In Support Of Moving The Forward. Thank You. I'M A Little Bit Unsure I'Ll Just Where I'M At Is The Idea Of I And I Think Our Centenario Kind Of Alluded To It Is Is This Is Our Kind Of Our Dense Urban Walkable Area And Yet We'Re Trying To Figure Out How To Approve Signage That'S Not For The Dense Urban It'S For That But It'S Not Directed To That Areas It'S Really It'S An Auto Oriented Signage That'S The Two Big Ones Are The Ones That Are Big And You And We Seehe Cturef What It May Look Like Now But We See What It'S Superimposed In An Area That Is Vacant And We Will Have A Building That Comes Right To There. And So I'M Not Opposed To The Concept. I'M Just Unsure Of Of How The Location Ins That Are Proposed Will Eventually Fit In When It'S Fully Developed. That'S Where I'M Wrestling With Scale Based On What'S There Now Is One Thing Based On What Comes Not So Sure. Commissioner Cotton Mr. Chair, Thanks. You Know I'Ve Had Some Of Those Same Thoughts And I Think One Argument Opposed To What You Just Said Is That Limited Central Station Is Always Going To Have An Uphill Battle And That There'S Very Little Through Traffic If You Think About 50Th And France Or France By You Know Target Or Whatever They Have This Benefit Of Through Traffic And Peaks Which I Believe Is Actually Better And More Attractive Neighborhood Than France And Whatever Target Is And That Stuff It Struggles Caus You Don'T Dri Through There Unless You Need To Be There. And So Having These Sort Of Auto Oriented Toll Things To Get You Off The Street And Into The Neighborhood May Be Warranted Because You You'Re Trying To Get The People Off The Street Into The Neighborhood Which They May Not Naturally Be Doing Because Of Just The Natural Geography Of This Development. Thank You, Commissioner Mcgovern, I Have To Agree With You Chair As Far As How Many Nes In Where Are They Going To Be Placed When Reviewing This Of Course I Kind Of Age Myself But. I Thought Of The Song From Five Musical That Are Five Man Musical Play And Sang Science And It Kind Of Came To Light As To Is It Too Many But One Day I Traveled Through There And I Have To Agree That It Does Give You Clarity As To Where You Are Because I Drove In Not Knowing Anywhere Where I Was And This Givee Clarity Next Time I Go So I'M All For The Signs I Cooked In You Know This Chair The First Thing That Struck Me Was How Tall Signs Are. 18 Feet Is Huge. That'S A Two Story Building. You Know, That Is An Enormous Sign Especially As These Perimeter Buildings Become Wood. They Tend To Be Shorter Per Story Nine Or Ten Feet. You'Re Talking A Two Story Sign Here. That'S A Big Sign. So I Thought About What We'Ve Done Nearby And I Believe Before My Time On The Commission There Was Some Sort Of A Change In Signage, Something To Allow Something At One Of The Hotels Across The Street From The Mall. And Of Course The Mall Has These Gigantic Signs On It And I'M Sure There Were A Lot Of The Same Concerns At That Point Like Is This Too Much Signage? What Are We What Are We Doing? But I Think I Like The Signs At The Mall I Think They'Re Attractive And I Think They Are Within The Character Of The Mall And The Scale Of That Development. I Like The Sort Of The Different Signing And Lighting That'S Happening Some Of The Areas Between The Mall And West Of Development I Think Those Are Attractive As Well And I Think I Can I Can Support These Signs. Well, You Know, My Biggest Concern With Oh One Of My Concerns With X Is How Do You Get People In There? And And I Think This Is A Good Way To Get People Off The Street And Choose To Go Here To Get Coffee And Choose To Go To This Grocery Instead Of Something Off Of Penn, An American Or Something Where They'Re Already Driving Anyway If You Can Make It So It'S Convenient And Recognizable Comfortae To Drive In And Find A Parking Spot Etc. Then This Neighborhood Can Start To Win. And So I Think This Is One Step In The Right Direction And I'M In Favor Of It. Mr. Aldi Everything They Said Plus That Something I Would Definitely Echo In The Signage To Have More Community Stopping By In The Establishments That Are Going There Are Going To Be Coming Up At The Site Is You Have A Beautiful Park There And I Don'T Think You Know If I'M On And I Drive A Lot On American Boulevard And All Shakopee Unless I Know That There Is A Park There Won'T Know Because It'S Tucked In In The Middle Of All These Tall Buildings In Away The Main Corridors. And If I Were Out With My Family I Love To Just Pull Up To That Coffee Shop And Spend The Afternoon Watching The Train Go By And And See If There'S Any Way To Bring And Celebrate The Park That You Have There. You Know, Would Ensure More Visibility In The Community. So Is That At Public Park It Has Nothing To Do With This Application I Know But Is Part Of The Development. If It Is Thenwn Itf It' A Public Thing The City Should Own It And Have You Guys Put It On The Site If They Got On The Park To Romans As Far As It Is Action. Yeah It Is It Is Privately But Publicly Accessible So You Know We Don'T Work With The Parks Department On A Daily Basis But They'Re There There Is Quite A Bit Of Coordination As To My Knowledge Between The Owner And The Park Is That There Are Events B You Know We Would Love There To Be More You Know We'D Love To Do More Exposure To The Park As Well As More Activities Because It Really It Is A Very Environment When You Go From American Boulevard You Go 100 200 Feet Into Vc'S And You'Re Like Where I It'S A Different It'S A Totally Different Environment In A Good Way And Then You Come To This Vista Of The Park And The New Development And It'S Really Impressive So Yeah Mean We'Re Happy To Work With The Developer To Try It To Try And Celebrate The Park In Any Way We Can. Mr. Thanks, Chair. Could We See A Picture Of The Proposed Sign Against A Building? I Think It Was In A Previous Or The Model Yes. One Of The Questions That I And Maybe I Should Have Asked This When We Had Time For Questions But The Sign Presumably Will Be Lit So Our With The Residences, Their Hotels Are Thereny Conrns Around Lighting And And Light Pollution From The Sign? Chair Commissioner, I, I Can Confidently Say That The City Bloomington Is One Of The Only Cities In The Metro That Actually Inspects Sign Brightness. We Have And Are Truly I Mean I Don'T Know Who Who Else Does It But We Go Out At Night And We Have A Nits Meter Which Is A Measurement Of Brightness D We Wille Will Determine That Brightness Is When We Have Signs That Are Adjacent To Residential The Brightness Allowance Is Much, Much Lower Than It Would Be You Know, A Block To The North Along For 94. And So That Is Something That Is Identified In The Code Because We It Does Have An Impact Too Much Light In Your Living Room Or Your Bedroom That'S Not Something That Leads To A High Quality Of Life. And So We Do Have A Standard That Limits The Brightness And We Will Check. Great. Thank You. Commissioner Cook Then If I Could Offer Commissioner Goolsb In Is Neighborhoo S Dark You With Your Either Airports Across The Street It'S Tons Of Light Pollution A Lot Of Streetlights This Neighborhood'S Never Dark. I Wouldn'T Worry About That At All. Thank You. The Additional Discussion Seeing No Further Discussion I Would Entertain A Motion Question I Cooked In Mr. Chair In Case Poll 2023-5 Having Been Able To Make The Required Findings I Moved To Recommend City Council Approve The Bloomington Central Station Master Side Plan Subject To The Conditions And Two Requirements Attached To The Staff Report. Thank. The Second Second Thank You Emotion And The Second Is To Recommend Adoption Of The Subjt Master Sign Plan. Any Further Discussion All Those In Favor Say I. I Opposed The Motion Passes. This Item Will Appear On The March 20Th City Council Meeting And The Consent Agenda. Thank You. I Didn'T Have A Three Years As A Study Item And The Introduction Of Our New Port Authority Administrator And Planning Manager Mark Garrett Has This Item As Chair Of Rohman Commissioners. Today We Want To Introduce Charlie Messick And This Basic Is The New Port Authority Administrator. She Is In Her Third Week With Bloomington. So Nice Stumper Questions. Since The Wereere W Can Pull Out The Big Questions. But In Addition To Introducing Herself And This May 2Nd We'Ll Give You A Little Background On The Port Authority'S Role In Bloomington. So We Share Slides Of Hers Momentarily. All Right. Well, Thank You. Welcome. And The Floor Is Yours. Thank You Very Much, Commissioners. Good Evening. Thank You For Having Me Here. My Name Is Holly Messick. I Am, As You Were Told, Your New Port Authority Administrator. I Joined You Most Recently From Rochester, Minnesota Where I Ran Their Downtown Improvement District. Prior To That I Worked In Boston For, Aeal Estate Firm Called Ashkenazy Acquisition Corp. And I Have Also Worked Public Space Planning And Consulting As Well As For The Boston Redevelopment Authority Which Now Operates Under Boston Planning And Development Agency. And I From The East Coast. I Grew Up In New Hampshire. My Parents Live In Illinois. >> My Sister Is In San Diego. So When I Am Not Here Before You I Am On Airplanes A Lot Visiting Family. I Love To Travel. I Love To Be Outside. I Don'T Know What Else To Tell You About Mysf B I Am Here To Give You A Little Bit Of An Update On The Port Authority'S 2023 Planning And What We Will Be Working On. And To Remind You A Little Bit Of Context On In 2022 The Hra Actually Completed An Assessment That Ended In Some Recommendations For Both Agencies. They Work Side By Side On Economic Development For The City Of Bloomington. And From That Study Came A Few Recommendations Have Now Become Courses Of Action For 2023. That The Hra And Port Authority Will Be Working Together A Bit More To Optimize Their Complementary Strengths And Services. The Hra Will Be Focusing On Single Family Homes, Small Residential Development And Related Programs While The Port Authority Will Now More Actively Support Business Expansion And Retention. And We Will Expand Our Powers And Services Including Placemaking Citywide And Both Hra And Port Will Be Restructuring Staff To Support These Services Or These Priorities. Next Slide Please. And So We Are Dividing Into Those Three Different Areas Of We Have Our Creative Placemaking Director Alejandro Palanca Who'S Been With Bloomington For A While Who Will Be Expanding Her Work. We Also Have Jason Schmitt, The Assistant Port Authority Administrator Who Will Be Expanding His Team To Now Also Include A Housing Development Specialist Will Be Working Alongside The Hra On Some Of The Housing Program Work. And Then We Now Have Assistant Port Authority Administrator Wolf Who Will Be Managing Some Of That Business Attraction Retention And Support Work In Bloomington And. >> We'Ll Be Hiring An Office Support Specialist Which Is Very Exciting. The Opaque Backgrounds That You See Are People Who Are Already On Staff And The More Transparent Backgrounds Are People Who Are Soon To Be Hired. Next Slide. In General Our Workplan Includes Some Some Big Projects We Will Be Undertaking A Strategic Planning Initiative Which Will Help Guide The Rest Of The Work For The Coming Years We Will Be Expanding Our Powers And Services Citywide And We Will B Hirg A Number Of New Staff Members As You Saw In Previous Slide. And We Will Continue To Support The Work Of The World Expo Bid And Planning Should The World Expo Come To Bloomington. Next Looks Like Maybe Perhaps Trying Sorry Not Worry. So This Is Finch. I Looked This Up. It'S Very Large, Maybe Larger Than One Of The Sites That Just Got Approved. That'S Right. A Keyboard Here Is Legendary. So You'Re No Problem. Goldfinches Ten Feet High. 20 Feet High. Highly Visible Feet. >> The Sign And The Goldfinch Are Just The Finch. >> You Know The Sign And The Goldfinch Are Over 30 Feet. Thank You Very Much. How Was The Approval Process For That? >> I Wanted An Indigo Bunting But Oh Sorry. All Right. So Some Of The Development Projects That The Port Authority Is Working On Include The Mall Of America Water Park Inc Phases Two And Reemerican Square Phase Two Bloomington Central Station Including Future Phases 700 American And Supporting The Opportunity Housing Ordinance Goals In Development Negotiations. Next Slide. Oh Wow. This Very Manual. Okay. Hard Working Group. Absolutely. And We Will Also Be Expanding Our Business Support Programs . Many Of You Have Probably Seen Renderings Of The Business Supports Center Which Is About To Be Constructed. That'S Opening. Looking An Opening In 2024. Breaking Ground In 2023. We Will Be Undertaking Best Practice Research On Comparable Programs In Other Cities. We'Ll Running South Loop Business Group Quarterly Meetings Those Have Already Begun But Will Be Absorbed Into Barb'S Work And Then We Will Be Launching A Facade Improvement Grant Program And Business Displacement Policies And Those Were Launched Out Of The Work Of The Seed Route Group. Next Slide. And Finally Our Placemaking Will Be Working On Beautifying Not Just The South Loop Dirict B The Rest Of The City At This Point. Some Of Those Projects Include A Citywide Creative Placemaking Plan. Old Cedar, Old Chicopee Project Installation At Businesses A South Loop Community Garden, The Small Business Development Center, The Triennial Participation And The Hometown Poetry. Next Slide. And If You Have Any Questions For Me As Your New Port Authority Administrator This My Contact Information You Will See Me At Many Meetings I'M Sure And I Am Happy To Get To Know You All And Work With You To Advance The Economic Development Bloomington. >> Thank You. Great. Thank You. Any Questions, Commissioner Goldson? Thanks, Chair. One Of The Questions I Have Is Really Around The Placemaking And Expansion Which I'M Super Excited About. Have You Had Any Thought? I Know It'S Only Week Three About The Landfill Plans And What Could Be Done In The Landfill Corridor As They Start To Look At Redeveloping And Ritalizg That Are I Think That'S A Great Question And No, I Not Personally Have Any Thoughts Yet. However, I Would Love To Connect With Alejandro And Bring Some Of That Information Back To You And As She Works Through Her Strategic Planning Process, I Think That'S A Really Concern To Bring Up For Her. Great. Thank You. You'Re Welcome. Other Questions? Question I Cooked In . Thank You, Mr. Chair. I Would Like To Second Commissioner Goldman'S Desires For Lyndale. It'S A Big Visions And I Think The Can Do Something That We Haven'T Seen A Plan For And I Think We Should Be Thinking Bold On Lyndale And Do That Right? So Please Consider That Just A Comment. I Would Request That In Your Work You Continue Living The Tradition Linked Tradition Of Being Different. We Are Not Just Like Another Suburb Or You Know Eden Prairie Or Whatever We. We Differentiate Ourselves With Our Assets And Our Thinking And What We Do. And I Would That You Continue To Do That And Be Willing To Say No Sometimes If Just Not The Right Fits Or Not Big Enough Or Not Bold Enough And That You Continue To Make Us Different Than Every Other Suburb And Then We Stay The Suburb Of Of The Twin Cities. Thank You. >> Thank You For Your Thoughts And I Hope To Sit Down With You And Learn A Little More About Your Definition Of Different. It Seems Important To Dove A Bit. Yeah I Think It'S And This At Least In My Time And Almost Five Years In This Group This Group Has Had Times Where We Have Said, You Know, Development For The Sake Of Development Is Not A Priority Or You Know, It'S A That Comes Along And It Feels Like Well It Might Be Good Enough Sometimes There Are Select Areas Of The Cities Where We Have Said No That Doesn'T Fit The Vision And So I Think If What I'M Hearing Commissioner Cooktown Say That Sometimes Patience Is Hard But The Long Term Payoff Is Good And Again We'Re Not Telling You Anything You Don'T Know. But Having Sat Through Some Of Our Meetings Together Where We Have Said No It'S Always Fun To Say No But It'S Sometimes The Right Answer. >> Commissioner Abdi. Well, We'Re Making Plugs To Our New Welcome And I Am Glad To See Our Commission Already Giving You Some Ideas And I Hope To Have More Conversations With You In The Future. I Live On American 12Th And American Boulevard Is Very Heavy Box Big Box Stop Thing And There'S A Lot Of Residential We Don'T Have Small Businesses That Are Like Walkable Type Of Thing And A Lot Of The Creative Things That I'Ve See Onhe List Are Things That Are On This Type Of Development Or Other Like The Lyndale Area And There'S Not Many Residential You Have To Like Walk To These Establishments Or These Corridors To Get At. So If We'Re Doing Business Activities, Small Business Supports Like Let'S Focus On The Neighborhood That'S Sales And Services A Lot Of People And Young Families You Know In Minneapolis Or The Twin Cities Area Because Of The Walkability We Have Great Walkable Neighborhoods. We Just Don'T Have Places To Go That Are Fun. So If We'Re Doing Commercial Let'S Attract Small Businesses On Our Main Corridors. It'Ll Be Interesting To See How You Kick Out Old Establishments That Are Like Not Really Good Storefronts But Welcome. I'M Really Excited To Kind Of See The Work That You'Ll Be Bringing Before The Commission And All Of The Great Work They'Ll Be Doing. One Final Idiotic Question Why Is It Port Not? Why Is It The Port? Why Why Do We Have Port In The Work And The Organization Know Can'T Have A Port. Yeah So If I Were To Expin That Department Or The Group That You Do It I'M Like Oh I Relate To Housing Related. Sure. Yes. I'M Like I Don'T Have A Beach Here. So I Also Have That Question When You Told Me About This Subject. Where Is The Port? Yeah. So In Paul I Get. But Glen, Could You Speak To The History Of How This Happened? The German Commissioner Of The State Law Sets Up Various Potential Entities That Cities Can Have. You Can Have Housing And Revelopment Autrity Economic Development Authority And If You Are On A Navigable Which Bloomington Is And The Minnesota River You Are Eligible To Have A Port Authority You Don'T Have To Have A Port But A Port Authority Under State Law Has Certain Powers That A Housing And Redevelopment Authority Or Economic Development Authority Does Not Have. So It'S Highly Advantageous To Have Those Powers. So That'S Why We Have A Port Authority In Washington. >> Thank You. I Was Wondering Um How That Is Connecting The Dots And If That Was Really Helpful To Even Explain This To Any Developer I Work In Minneapolis In Related Economic Development So. I Want To See Cool Things Happen In Bloomington But I Just Don'T Know Like How Do You Sleep? I Work In Bed So How Do I Make That Plug? But I Didn'T Know And I Could Have Easily Looked Up But I Wanted To Take The Shortcut Here Tonight So I Appreciate It And Welcome To The City. Thank You Very Much Those Watching All Three Othem To Know What To Buy. We Have A Port Authority. Well Yeah. Okay. Thank You. Thank You. All Right, Item Four Is An Update On The 98 And 35 Corridor And We Have Our Traffic And Manager Robert'S Here To Fill Us In On All Of The News Commissioners Good Evening . All Right. As I Said, I'M Kirk Roberts Traffic And Transportation Engineer For The City. I Am Accompanied Tonight By Brian Nemeth Who'S Our Consultant Lead For This Study . We'Re Here On Behalf Of Julie Long, The City Engineer Who'S Also Here To Answer Any Questions Or Have A Discussion . So I'M Going To Run Through The 98Th Street Study What It Is What Been Doing And Where We'Re Going To Go With That. So 98Th Street Is A Fairly Familiar Corridor. The Study Limits That We'Re Looking Began Just At James Avenue Just Right Outside City Hall Here That Ends In The Parking Lot Over Here Across 35 W All The Way Over East To Lyndale And The In Terms Of Jurisdiction It'S Sort An Unusual Area The The Hennepin County Has Control Or Jurisdictional Control Old Shock Off Road Which Comes Up Here The City 98 Street Which And Then It Turns To Old Shakopee Road Across The Interchange So That'S All Under The Jurisdiction Of The Hennepin County The Interstate Is Obviously The Jurisdiction Of Mindat Input From The Federal Highway Administration And That Includes The Ramps And. So They Have A Lot Of Operational Interests In What We Do Here Across This Interchange. It'S Always Been A Key Interchange In The City From A Transportation Perspective And In Recent Years It'S Also Become An Important Transit Hub For The City And In The Nineties The City Could Have Been County Mindat Developed An Interchange Design, A Long Term Plan For The Interchange And This Is This Is What You'Re Looking At Here So The The Portion Ramp Here Is Existing The Ramp Southbound Off Ramp Here Is Existing. This Ramp Is Also There And What Is Not There Today Is The Large Cloverleaf And The Other Southbound Ramp That Was The Plan For The Future. This Was Adopt By The Tee Agenciesnd We All Marched Forward And Began Getting The Land To Make To Accommodate This To Deal With Those Ramps In The Meantime That Transit Came Into One Of Those Vacant Lights And Put In A Really Nice Transit Station. That Transit Station Has Grown And Become One Of Two Very Important Transit Stations In The City And So One Of The Obvious Things That We Want To Do Is Look At This Interchange In New And See If There'S A Design That We Can Come Up With That Handles Traffic Needs In The Future That Doesn'T Eliminate A Very Successful And Well-Used Transit Station With Ramps. We'D Like To Find Some Ways To Not Just Accommodate Transit But Maybe Increase It. This The Orange Line Opened Up Just Recently And Two Major Stops One Of Them Is Right Here In The City That Provides Service All The Way From Burnsville Into The Downtown Area A Very Important Bus Rapid Transit Line In The City . There'S A Couple Other Things That Have Happened In The Meantime Since The Nineties As Well The Vision For Land Use In This Area Has Changed Quite Substantially. We'Ve Got The Lyndale Retrofit Which This Was This Plan Was Conceived It Was Mainly Based On A Kind Of Auto Centric Model For A Suburban Community. We The Area A Much More Dense Development Model Now With The Lyndale And The Increasing Density And One Of The Other Things That We'Re Looking At Too Is Opportunities For Development Right On Transit Station Housing Retail Component Development Would Be Oriented Towards A Transit Use And So You Have People That Live Right Upstairs That Come Down And Catch The Bus Every Day. That'S How They'Re Basing Their Transportation Decisions. Metro Transit Is Interested In That Sort Of Development And The City Is As Well. And So Taking A Look At All That, We'Ve Also Got Some Bike And Pedestrian Issues In This Corridor. Anyone That Spent Some Time Out There Knows It'S A Wonderful Area Lyndale Avenue, You Know, Standing Right There On The Corner You Can Get Your Caffeine, You Can Go Get Some Clothes, You Can Get Some Medical All Within In Walking Distance From Right There. But It'S Not Actually That Enjoyable Of A Place To Walk Or Bike Around And So Can We Look At It Anew And See If There'S Some Changes That Can Be Made To Help That Talking About The Transit Hubs There'S ,Two Really Important Transit Hubs In The City One Is At The Mall Of America In The Basement Of The Mall Of America The Blue Line, The Orange Line, The Line Down To To The South 98Th Street Is Another Important One. It'S A Significant Transfer Point For The Orange Line For Routes Going Over The Normal Community College Route Down Nicollet Lyndale And So It'S A Very Old Shockley Road So It'S A Pretty Key Facily For That And So Whatever Ideas They Had In The Nineties And Their Vision We Need To Rethink That. So To Do That We'Ve Developed A Study And Then Just Top Level Goals And Develop A Long Term Plan For The Interchange That Preserves Enhances Transit To The 98Th Street Station Identify Near Long Term Changes To Improve Conditions For Non-Motorized Users And Generally Improve Safety For All Users Given Number Of Agencies Involved We'Ve Had Really Luck With That. It'S A Cooperative Effort. Bloomington In Some Sense Has The Smallest Number Of Roadways In This Area And We'Re Leading The Study And So Generally The Best Idea Wins. We Had Wonderful Partners In The Study So Far We'Ve Engaged With The Minnesota Department Of Transportation, Hennepin County Metro Transit Met Council The Hra Is Also Involved In Helping Paper Versions Of The Study The Bloomington Planning Department And Public Works And Engineering And All Of Our Outside Agency Partners Have Been Wonderful, Very Engaged With A Lot Of Good Ideas. They Share Our Vision For The Future In The Corridor And So Tonight We'Re Going To Share With You Our Preliminary Corridor Plans And Get Your Feedback. Next Steps Will Be To Come Up With A Staff Preferred Recommendation That Will Bring Back To You And Talk More And We'Re Going To Be Seeking Your Recommendation Of Approval Of That To Council And Then That Becomes The Long Term Plan For This Interchange That Becomes We Startevelopg R T Future And So To Us With Those Best Ideas That Hopefully When Brian Nemeth Is Going To Run Through The Rest Of The Study He'S With Portland Engineering Just To Stay Here. Okay. Thank You. As Kirk Had Mentioned, There Are Multiple Study Goals As Part Of This Project Effort We Identified Those Study Goals Into Project Goals As We'Re Evaluating Different Alternatives We Want To Make Sure That We We Encompass Just Those Study Goals Into Further As Part Of The Project So Improving Safety For All Users Improving Access Connections Comfort And Convenience Of People Walking, Biking And Rolling. I Think There'S A Lot Of Question On What Is Rolling That Is People In Wheelchairs That Is People Using Other Wheeled Conveyances Along Or Trails Such As Scooters, Skateboards Or Any Of The Other Things That Come Along. Also Want To Maintain Mobility For Vehicles Especially Transit. There Is There Are Vehicles That Do Use This Interchange That You Do Need To Get Through Here And Also The Access To That Transit Station . We Also Want Enhance The Transit Station Area, Make More Walkable For People To Get To That Train Station. We Also Want To Support Land Use Area Land Use And Redevelopment Plans As You Guys Had Mentioned On Lyndale Avenue Are Making Sure That We'Re In Compliance That Plan And Then Also Emphasizing Throughout This Entire Study With Communities Of Color, People Of Low Income People With Disilitie Olderdult Populations And People Who Walk And Bike You Know, Laying On That Is More Just You Know ,We Have Our Traditional Open Houses. We'Ll Look At A Lot Of Online Engagement Also We Have Small Community Group Meetings That We Have Worked Out With The City On Trying To Engage With Some Of Those Communities And Groups That May Be Using These Transit Stations That Wouldn'T Go Through Your Open House. It'S A Little Bit Of A You Know Information On The Safety That We'Re Talking About With Pedestrians And Bicyclists There Have A Number Of Bicyclists And Pedestrian Crashes Thatave Occurred Along The Corridor. One Really Highlight Would Be The Four Bicycle Crashes That Have Occurred Dupont And 90 Street Those Have Occurred Usually With A Returning Vehicle Either Northbound Eastbound Or Eastbound Southbound Vehicle. It'S Pedestrians Crossing That South Side Crossing Actually Dupont Avenue On The Let'S Talk Bloomington Web Page. We Have And At The First Open House In December We Had Some Initial Concept There'S A Lot Going On Here What It Is That We Had About Five Concepts Kind Of Like Three Different Areas Of Consideration We Have Like Old Shock Ap Road Is Near The Railroad We Have Dupont Avenue And I-35W Interchange Which Includes Dupont Avenue Intersection Both Ramp Interchange Intersections And Also The Bridge Across There And Then Lyndale Avenue On The East End Of The Corridor. Let'S Give An Update On Engagement Activities To Date We'Ve Had Publicity For The Study Through Sidewalk Decals That Were Put On The Sidewalks Out Here In Community On What On 98Th Street We Had Some Video Interview Kirk Here We Had Some Social Media Blasts Out To Everybody Fliers And Invasive We Have Email Subscriptions That We Sent Out Stuff To But The The Website Let'S Talk Bloomington That We Have Used Very Effectively Through The Study And Then We Also Had Some Focused And Pop Up Events. We Had A Farmer'S Market Also At The Transit Station And Th Also With Some Community Groups In The Area To Kind Of Give Information Out. Even Before The Open House Started And At The Open House We Were Just Promoting Project Understanding You Know What'S Initial Feedback, What Are Some Issues That People Are Dealing With Out There And Then Also Presenting Some Of Those Initial Concepts Just To Get A Little Bit Of An Idea On The Open House, Participate In An Online Comment Period We Had We Had About Four Weeks Of Common Period Open To Everybody. We Did About 7 People Visit This Website By 90 People Engaged Either Online Or In Person. So I Actually Provided Comments On The Website Or At The Open House You'Ll See A Little Spike There In December On The Bloodstock Bloomington Web Pag That'S The Open House Was Occurring. We Also Saw A Big Spike Of Smaller Spike Around The Holidays When People Were Home As Part Of The Project Engagement We Had You Know We Were Asking People Like What Do You Like About These Different Alternatives? What Initial Concepts At These Intersections And What We'Re Really Trying To Do Is Trying To Figure Out What Are People'S Preferences Not Saying Okay This Is The Alternatives Everybody Likes Because Everybody Can Have A Different Opinion On What They Like Best. So We'Re Trying To Really Understand Is The Overall Key Takeaways. So Just To Show A Map Here We Look At Old Shakopee Road And West 98Th So Near The Railroad Just Eastf Here At City Hall Looking Add Like A Signalized Crossings Foredestrns To Get Off Get Across West 90Th Street You Really Look At This Corridor Between Dupont Avenue And Actually James Avenue There Is Zero Opportunities For Pedestrians Across West 98Th Street. So If We Could Provide Some Kind Of Opportunity Within That Area That Would Be A Benefit. The Other Was A Preference To Eliminate. So If You'Re Traveling Along Walczak View Road You Do It Goes Down From Two Lanes In That Direction To One Lane And Then Go Through This High Speed Right Turn Curve And Then You Need To Ifou'Re Trng To Go North On Five W You May Have To Weave Across Multiple Lanes. So There Are Multiple Comments About That About The Dangerous Situation That Separates And Then Additionally We Had Reducing The Weaving Our 98 And Then Also The Pedestrian Access Across Us Free Right We Know That That Is Kind Of Hidden In Their Vehicles Going To High Rate Of Speed. So If There'S Any Way To Slow Down Vehicles And Improve That Would Be A Benefit At The Interchange Of I-35W And Dupont. Most Of The Comment Reay Related To The The West Side Of , The Interchange The Preference To Increase Pedestrian And Bicycle Space Especially On The South Side Where We Have Had Some Of Those Bicyclist Crashes Occurred. There'S Also Eliminate That That Southbound Right Turn Channelized Lane A Lot Of People Come Off They'Re Too Fast Coming Off The Freeway Unnecessarily Walk It Watching Vehicles And They'Re Not Especially Not Watching Like Watching For Pedestrians I'M Sort Of Putting Comments There At Lyndale On The East End We Had A Few Comments You Know More About Again Removing Those Channelized Right Turn Lanes Getting A Little Bit Safer For The Pedestrians To Get Across The Area Shortening Any Of The Pedestrian Crossings On West 98Th Or Lyndale Avenue Just A Big Sea Of Pavement There And Then Also A Concern With Any Capacity Reductions If We End Up Changing Lanes, Getting Rid Of Lanes, What Is That Going To Do To Traffic? So Throughout Our We Have Some Evaluation Criteria. So As We Look At Those Different Intersections We Were Looking At The Ovell Project Goals We Were Taking Looking At Safety, How Much Access And Connections We Have To The Community, The Mobility Of Traffic And Also The Mobility Of Pedestrians And Bicyclists This Area The Right Of Way Needs So If Any Changes On The Corridor We Need To Buy Right Of Way From Either Businesses Or Residences To Identify Where The Right Of Way Would Be Needed If Have Any Development Or Redevelopment Make Sure That We'Re Accommodating Any Development Or Redevelopment That Could Occur In The Area Looking At Equity To Make Sure That We'Re Equitable Between All The Different Modes And The Different People That Are In This Area. So That We'Re Not Saying That Only People By Car Can Get In This Area Or Only People That Are, You Know, Able Bodied Able To Get In This Area That We'Re Accommodating Everybody And Then Looking At Infrastructure Just What Kind Of Impacts We Have To The Infrastructure That Would Include Any Public Or Private Infrastructure That'S The Area Including Like The Bridge Or A Traffic Or Any Other Wat Sewer Or Anything Else. We Have And We Also Took In The Public Comments That We Have From That Open House Period And Then Public Agency Comments That Would Be From Hennepin County And Metropolitan Council Metro Transit That We'Re Getting Any Of Their Feedback Because Everybody Has An Interest In This And You Know Metro Transit'S Involved Is The Transportation Metropolitan Council Is Involved In The Freeway Along With Minot So They Both Have Authority Over There. So Speaking Of Some Of Those Development And Redevelopment Opportunities So We Did Take Into Account Any Traffic Growth Would Be Occurring Regionally But Also Because Of Potential Redevelopment Opportunities. So Right Now We'Ve Kind Of Identified Add You Know The Lyndale Study Identified This Area Up In The Northwest As A Potential Redevelopment Opportunity. So Looking At, You Know, How Much Retail Could Be There And How Many Residences Could Be There And Just Taking Into Account That Amount Of Traffic That Would Be There. And Then Again We Have The Ki Of North Of Stival Foods. There'S A Large Parking Lot Underutilized. Could There Be An Opportunity To Have Some Redevelopment That Occurs In That Area? And Then Again Third We Identified The Transit Station . So Currently That'S A Parking Lot That'S Used For The Park And Ride. It Is There'S More Space Than You Know Is Currently Used Nowadays Nowadays And If We Are Trying To Get This More As A You Know People Oriented Business Or Transit Station, You Know, Is There An Opportunity To Redevelop Or Either All Or Portion Of That Site And Provide Some Parking On Different Parking Structure ? So In The Short Term Mdot Currently Has Two Projects That They Actually Have Programed Out At The Interchange There Is A 2023 Project At The Dupont Intersection Currently If You Walk Out There As A Pedestrian There Are Is There Are Missing Pedestrian Ramps That Are Currently Ada Ty'Reon Ada Compliant So Part Of That Is That Mandate Is Going To Come Out This Summer And Fix A Couple Of Those Ramps To Make Them Ada Compliant. Additionally The Signal At Both Interchanges Are Have They'Re Out There They'Re Ending Their Useful Life So There Is A Signal Project Replace Those In 2026 Minot Ada Has Been Specified By Minot Traffic That Ada Always Reviews Construction Projects And Windows Doing And As Part Of That They Will Be Incorporatg Oer Measures That Would Improve The Accessibility For Pedestrians And Bicyclists Through These Area. So Part Of It Is Not Only Just Replacing Signal They'Ll Also Be Other Ada Improvements That Are Currently Unidentified. Through This Study We Have Identified You Know Some Geometric Cities Geometric Changes That Are Wanted The City That Includes Moving That Southbound Right Channel Ization That Was Complained About Quite Consistently And Then In Tightening Up That Westbound Two Southbound I-35W Jumped Back Here Really Quick To Give An Idea Of Where That Is. So Right Now The Westbound If You Come Across The Bridge And Are Making Move To Go Southbound On 35 W It'S A Pretty High Speed Curve If We Can Tighten That Curve Up And Bring It Closer To Intersection We Can Slow Vehicles Down And Give More Time For Vehicles To See Any Pedestrians That Are Crossing That Movement. So So Be It. You'Re You'Re Things Also Hennepin County We'Ve Been Talking About The Operations At That Signal Trying To Improve It For Pedestrians And Make It A Little Bit Safer For Vehicles Looking At Some Signal Phasing Changes And Then Currently A Transit Signal Priority Signal Out There So Transit Can Give A Little Bit Of Advance Notice That They'Re That They'Re Coming That Can Get They Can Hold The Grid A Little Bit Longer. They Can Get The Green A Little Bit Earlier That Is Currently Implemented. We Would Consider Keeping That Or Potentially Even Adding A Hub Kind Of A Shoulder Bypass Queu So That They Could Get Ahead Of Any Other Left Turning Vehicles. So Given That The Transit Advantage As We Are Looking At This You Know, We Were Talked About You Know, Kirk Had Mentioned, You Know, A Short Term And A Long Term Process Here Where We Kind Of Had Oc What'S Our Short Term Is What It'S Doing. Can We Get Anything Else Incorporated In That Project In 2026 As We Looked At This Area The Existing Bridge Is Really Restrictive. It Has A It Has A Ten Foot Wide Trail On The South Side But The North Side Is About A55 And A Half Or Less When You Get Circuit And Snow That With A Sidewalk There Also The The Lanes Are Currently Underutilized Especially For Westbound Is Probably Too Much Capacity And Eastbound There'S Not Enough And So Looking At You Know How Can We Use The Existing Bridge Penndot Indicated The Bridge Currently Has Probably Another 20 Years Left In It Least You Know There Could Be Some Rehab That Would Extend That Even Further But Cane Workith That Existing Bridge And Do Some Improvements On This Corridor To Improve Everything And Then Long Term Can We Look At That Possibly Replacing That Bridge ? So Looking At This Mid Term Project So I'M Going To Zoom Here Because It'S Really Hard To See. So With This This Let'S See If I Can Do That Or Not And Okay If It Would React Quick Enough And So I Zoom In Here So We Drop Any Of Those Intersection Alternatives That We Originally Presented Out To The Public. What We Ended Up Coming Up With Is Really Two Corridor Alternatives. So Taking The Top Two Intersection Alternatives That We Have And Developing It Into Two Corridor Concepts. So The First Concept Concept One Will Call It We Have First We'Re Talking Abo The Intersection Of 98Th Street And Old Chicopee Road Looking At Adding A Pedestrian Crossing On The West Side Of Humboldt Incorporating It With The Signal That'S Currently There. So Just Pulling Back Your Stop Bar That'S For Eastbound Traffic Tightening Up, You Know, Just Doesn'T Fix The The Merge And The Weave But At Least Tightening Up This Curve To Make It A Slower Vehicle Speed And Also Getting Pedestrians To Be Out Further So That They Can See Down O Shakee Road And Also Letting Vehicles See Them. So Two Advantages With This Concept As We Move Further East We We Are Looking At Adding A Trail A Ten Foot Wide Trail On The South Side Of This Of West 98Th Street. And As You End Up Over At Dupont Avenue, It Is Consistent With What We Had Kind Of Mentioned As Potentially Trying To Incorporate Into That Long Term Concept Would Be Potentially A Bus Bypass Here On The Left Getting Rid Of The Free Right And Also Tightening Up This Curve Additionally. We'D Also Be Tightening Up The Curve To Go Eastbound To Southbound And Then Adding A Trail Along That Side. So This Is Concept One Trying To Live Here As We Get Into The Lyndale Avenue Area Biggest Change Is Being Adding That Trail On The South Side Of West 98Th Street Expanding That That Ability There What We Are Looking At Is Getting Of That Dual Left Turn Lane Right Now The Inside Left Turn Lane Is Underutilized By Traffic So It'S Not Really Filling It Up. So Getting That Down To One Lane Still Operates Effectively. It Also Shortens The Pedestrian To For That Are And Tn Ao Eliminating All Three Free Rights That Are Currently Out There And Trying To Tighten Up This Intersection, Make It More Pedestrian Friendly And See If I Can Jump To Just So I Can I'M Me For That Just So It'S So Here It'S Corridor A Concept To Apogize Aave To Zoom In Here Again So Start Again On The West End Of The Corridor . So Some Similarities With The Previous Alternative We Considering Still Crossing A Pedestrian Crossing On Humboldt. The Other Option Here Is To Keep The Two Lanes On Old Chicopee Road And Actually Signalized That Right Turn Movement Part Of It The Left Turn Movement Already Takes Screen Time So That Right Turn Movement Can Make That Same Movement At The Same Time As That Left Turn Movement And We Can Actually Have The Same Capacity What We Do Today What This Does Is It Really It Provides A Pedestrian Crossing A More Protected Pedestrian Crossing With A Traffic Signal So Making Vehicle Stop For This Pedestrian Pedestrians Would Have No Right Turn On Red And Improving That Overall Pedestrian East-West Connection Across All Shakopee Road Further East Does Not Like Smooth Here One Alternative This Alternative Potentially Looks At Utilizing Some Of The Space On The South Side To Have The Trail On That Area Or Potentially Using The Third Lane And Shortening How Long That That Third Lane Is. So As We'Re Coming From That Dual Right We Only Need Two Lanes To Come Into And Could We Open Up And Use That Extra Space And Provide A Wider Boulevard And Less Right Of Way You Need To Actually Provide That. So Looking At Two Alternatives There Differences At Do This Apologize Really Differences Here Are Is On If We Can Get Rid Of That Right Lane It Provides A Little More Space On The Third The Southeast Corner But Overall Atupont There Really Is Only One Alternative That That Really Effectively Is Able To Move Traffic And Keeps Everything Moving There. So As We Move Lyndale Avenue There Is An Option Here To Reorientate Some Of The Space Hennepin County Has Indicated A Preference To Keep Right Turn Lanes Where We Can Because Part Of It Is When You Have A Green Light Especially In The Higher Speeds Are On Walczak Be Road To Be Able To Get Those Those Slower Moving Turning Vehicles Out Of That Three Lane Don'T Have The Same On Lyndale Avenue With Some Of The Slower Speeds That We Do Have And Are Experiencing There But This Option Provides Those Right Turn Lanes And Actually Gives A Little More Space On Bikes Such As The Northeast Corner For That Another Option Is Looking At Is If This In This Property Of The Clover Shopping Center Were To Be Redeveloped There Might Be An Opportunity To Actually Have A Right Lane There And Separate Out The Movements That Are Going To The Freeway With A Right Turn Lane That Would Go Up To I-35W Northbound And Separate Out From The Lane Next To It Which Would Actually Carry You To I-35W Cell Phone So Actually Separated Separating A Right Now Compared To What Is To There Today With One Lane So Overall We Have A Longer Term Long Term Corridor Project This Will Be Taking Some A Mix Of Concepts One And Two From That Midterm Concept And Looking At Replacing Bridge. I Do Have The Full Concepts Here On The Next Page I Think This Can Give You The General Idea Is Looking At Expanding The Pedestrian Facilities To The North And South On The Bridge. The Other Big Change Here And This Is Part Of What Metropolitan Council Is Very Interested In Fh, W.A. And Mdot Is If We Get Rid Of That 1990S Concept Can We Is Something That Can Be Don With Thexisting Bridge Or With A New Bridge That Would Give Them The Same Capacity As What They Were Proposing Back In The 1990S. The Answer Is Yes We Can Provide Additional Eastbound Left Turn Lane So A Little Bit Of A Wider To Accommodate Those Same Traffic Movements With An Level Of Service And Then Also Expand Those Pedestrian Facilities That We Want Along This Corridor. So This Would Be Your Potential Long Term Project Would Just Be Between Dupont Avenue And Really Aldrich Skip Over That That Sort Of Questions Other Potential Impacts Because Of These Concepts That We'Re Looking At Is Looking At Potentially 14 Feet Of Impact To That Transit Area Site That Would Be Additional Right Of Way That Would Be Needed That Trail It Keeps The Boulevard For Other Signage, Other Equipment That We Would Need For That Like The Traffic Signal Or Anything Else Near The Area. And This Currently Would Allow The Redevelopment Of The Site Which Would Be In Contrast To 1998 Plan Next Steps We Do Have A We Are Trying Set Up A Public Agency Critical Review Meeting With Hennepin County Works That Would Be Getting In All Their Different Departments And Sure That They'Re All On Board With This Project Looking At A Preferred Concept For Both The Mid-Term And Long Term And Then Refining That Concept Making Sure All You Know, Design Vehicles Are Be Able To Make All The Moves That We Need To Work Out At If There'S Any Public Or Private Infrastructure That'S Underground That We Currently Don'Tnowf That Hennepin County Or City Has In The Area Or Even Sometimes Has Some Stuff Hidden In The Area That People Don'T Even Know About. So We Want To Make Sure That We'Re Recognizing Those And Then We Also And Then Finalizing A Concept That Can Then Be Approved By Not Only The Project Partners But Also The City Of Bloomington. The Point The Different Commissioners And Also City Council. And We'Ll Also Presenting That Final Concept To The Public Currently Planning Our Next Open House Open House Number Two In May So In All The Concepts Of That Corridor Concepts We Have Achieved The Study Study And Project Goals Provide A Long Term Plan For The Interchange And More Of A Phased Plan For The Area Preserves And Enhances The Transit Station Maintains Existing Fully Vehicular Mobility Including Transit It Enhances The Non-Motorized Traffic Mobility And Especially With The Wider Trails That We'Re Providing And More Space Away From The Current Vehicle Traffic That'S Out There On The Street Improving The Safety For All Users And Becomes Bicyclists, Transit Users And Vehicle Vehicular Traffic In The Area And Then Allows For Traffic Growth Due To And Redevelopment With The Area I Believe That Is It. Thank You All Right. Thank You. So This Is A Study Item So I Believe You'Re Just Looking For Some Reactions And Feedback. So Reaction And Feedback And Discussion. Commission Cooon Thank You Mr. Chair. I'M Not Sure Who The Best Person To Answer The Question Is But When We Looked At The Lyndale Avenue Retrofit Plan One Of The I Think It Was A Recommendation Of That Plan Was To Eventually A Pedestrian Bridge Over 98Th Street From The Transit Center To North Of 98Th Street. Was That Considered In And You'Re Looking At This There Are Still A Future Plans That Off The Table Do You Have Any Information There? Yes. So We Are Looking At Other Transit Bridge Or A Pedestrian Orientated Bridge Projects And Alignments Both North And South Of 98Th Street. Currently We Are Looking At That. It'S Difficult With The Grades And Some Of The Private Properties On The South Side, North Side There Might Be Little Bit Of Opportunity With Some Of The Industrial Sites But We Are Looking At Some Of Those There Will Be Some Recommended Alignment Options ,Just Potential Impacts And Some Of The Difficulties Including Railroad Is One Of The Major Difficulties With Getting Something Through On The North Side. I Would Just Say This Commissioners Perspective Is They Don'T Want Us To Stop Thinking About That As A Former User That Transit Station It'S Very Difficult To Cross 98Th Street. They'Re Constantly People Coming Across Pretty Dangerous. I Know It'S Expensive But That Would Be On My Wish List. So I Think Whether It'S A Bridge Or A Tunnel Or Whatever It Might Be Helicopter Rides I Mean There'S Yeah I Think That In That Area That One Of The Comments That Was Made Was You Know The County Prefe To Keep Right Turn Lanes To Keep The Speed Up Which The County Is A Great Partner. I Don'T Want To Give A Bad Perspective On County. I Appreciate All That They Do To Keep Our Roads Rolling. But The County'S Job Is To Get People Through Here Not To Have People Be Here. And So I Appreciate The Right Here Perspective But It May Not Be What We Want Or What We Think Is Best. I Appreciate Especially When I Will Call Option To Be Which Was Actually As You Were Talking Through This My Thought Was Well Why Don'T We Put A Stoplight And Go Down To Two Lanes? So I Like That Idea A Lot. Which Then For Me Raises The Question Of I'M Sure You Thought Of It Because You'Re Far Smarter In This Area Than I Am On The On The Westbound Do We Need Three Lanes As Far As We Have Three Lanes? You Talked About Capacity And Whatnot. So Just As You'Re Thinking Through That I'M On Board Anything That Gives Us Slows Down People That Not Not Overall, You Know,Tops Here And There I Think Are Not A Bad Thing Especially. Is This Crazy As This Interchange Can Be Out Here I Like Your Ideas Of A Boulevard. No More Boulevard With With The Trail All Those Things You Know We Know The Bridges Will Last Far Longer Than It'S Supposed To. So Anything We Can Do To Make That Less Hostile I'M In Favor Of But This Is This Is Good Work. Commissioner Abdi, Thank You For Going Through That Presentation. Love It When I See A Project Or A Study That Goes Through In-Depth Community Engagement. So I Really Appreciate That Some Of The Greenery Or Some Of The Changes Saw Do You Expect Any Of The Alterations Coming To The Corridor Or The Entire Smooth Or Changes Any Private Land Taking Or Is That Still Going To State Within Public Realm Mr. Chairman Commissioner On The Depending On The Ultimate Configuration That'S Adopted There Could Be Some Minor Takings Along 98 Street And That Would Be To Residential To G That Tra In . What That Would Do Would If That Was The Alternative That'S Chosen In Is Through Council It Would Just Give Us A Little Bit More Room Between The Trail And The Road And That Can Give People A Little Bit Of Better Sense Of Protection. It Also On Years Like This Allows For Snow Storage Which Has Become Quite The Thing And So There Could Be Some Minor Takings Of Properties Along People'S Backyards There Everything Else I Think Of Apologies We Have A Lot Of Road That Doesn'T Need To Be The And So We'Reakin Up Road Not That The Property Would Stay With The City That That Road'S On But Yeah We Would Take Quite A Bit Of Asphalt Up Under Some Of These Alternatives. I Appreciate That If I May Add Believe There Would Be Another Round Of Presentation Coming Up To Some Bodies In In Our Before Us Maybe And Council And Maybe Other Groups. I Think It'D Be Really Helpful Kind Of Maybe Even Highlight And I Don'T Want To Scare Residents And Communities To My Bringing Up A Part Of Ur Presentation You Know We'Re Going To Take Some Of Land To Do You Know, Improvements But Realistically If It Does End Up Happening There Might Be Some Properties On The Chopping Block To, You Know, Relinquish A Portion Of Their Land And I Don'T Know It'S Going To Be By Force Or By Sale. I Think It'D Be Really Helpful As. Part Of Transparency And Engagement Is To Highlight That It Would Be Necessary To Acquire Some To I Think You The Way You Described It Was More Friendlier Like When You Said You Know Snow Storage Some Of The Like Ways That It Could Be Utilized But I Do Find It Would Be Really More Better In Transparency To Highlight That Without Some Acquisition Of Land It Wouldn'T. Some Of These Good Changes Would Not Be Possible. But I Appreciate The Work You Guys Have Done And I Appreciate That Feedback. Taking Private Property For A Public Improvement Like That Is Something We Always To Do Very Carefully And Very Transparently And So I Appreciate The. The One Area I Did Not Mention Is There Is If A Right Turn Lane Is Added In The Future This Would Accommodate Our Westund Northbound Traffic That Would Also Require Private Property From The Nearby Commercial Center There. One Of The Reasons To Get That Out There Is Because We Want Them To Be Able To Plan Around That. So They'Re Thinking About The Course Of Their Business Over The Future They Know That You Know, We There'S A Need There A Public Need And They Can Identify That And Work With Us In The Future As They Redevelop For Opportunities There. So Again To Your Point Being Open And Transparent About That Is The Right Thing To Do Now As Soon As We Know It. So Appreciate That. Commissioner Goldson Thanks To As Someone That Lives And Drives And Tries To Walk This Area I'M Really Excited That We'Re Trying To Make It More Pedestrian Friendly. I'Ve Tried Biking In This Area And It'S Terrifying To Say The Least As Well As Crossing The Intersection Where The Old Open 90 Split There Is No Place To Cross And So I Ended Up Jaywalking And It'S Quite Precarious So I'M Excited To See That We'Re Putting A Crosswalk In As Well As You Know As We'Re Looking At Traffic Flow And Pedestrians About This Building Is A Destination Many People That Will Live In The Lyndale Area As Well As You Know On The North Side Where The Clover Station Or Clover Ana Development Is Right Now Coming To The Farmer'S Market, Walking To The Farmer'S Market From East Is Almost Impossible Today. An Shink It'S Great That We'Re Thinking About How We'Re Moving Traffic And Having A Path I Think Is Is Wonderful Question I Had And This Is A Follow Up From Commissioner Abdi'S Question Is If We Do Put A Trail In In People'S Backyards, Would The Planning Some Types Of Screening Or Fencing To To Delineate The Trail And Those Peoples Backyards Would That Be Included In The Project Chairman Materials And That Is Yeah. So T City When We Come Looking For When We There'S A Need For A Public Need For Property Like That We It'S Not Just Acquiring That Property It'S Also Making Them Whole From Other Perspectives Too. So When We Normandie Boulevard Is A Good Example When We Came In And Acquired That Property There Is Also Retaining Walls Fences And Things Like That So People Just Didn'T Have To Look Out Their Back Window And See A Giant Arterial. So Yeah That'S All Part Of The Whole When We Go Forward We Are Required To Do That As Well So That'S Part Of It. It'S Great And If I May I Just I Think Normandy Is A Great Example Of Because It Was One Project It Was A Consistent Retaining Wall, Consistent Fencing It Looks So Much Polished And And Consistent And Appealing So I'M Glad To Hear That It Would Be Part Of The Project Versus Each Individual Puts Up A Fence And Ages At A Different Rate And It'S Just It'S Something That Will Look Nice I Think And Appealing To The Residents There Is Thinking Thank You Commissioner Eggleston The Other Thing I Was Right To Mention It One Of The Things Talked About Tha Thi I Think The State Would Be Replacing Some Signals In The Coming Three Years Or So And I Don'T I May Wrong But I Don'T Think In Bloomington We Do We Don'T Do Anything With Advanced Green Where The Pedestrian Or The Bikes Have A 3 To 5 Second Advantage And Maybe We May Want To Think About That Especially In This Area Where It Is Until We Can Improve The Realm We Can At Least Give People A Fighting Chance With Some Of Those Advanced Pedestrian Greens And So Maybe Some To Think About As To That That'S Rebuilt It'S A Good Feedback Commissioner That The County Has Done That We'Ve Explored I Don'T Think We'Ve Had An Application Where We Found It Would Make There'S It Does Help In Some Applications Always And I Think The Pedestrian Issue At Dupont Of The Things That That Area Suers From Tha Is O My Mind A Lot It'S Just So Broad It Is Such You Know Six Lanes Of Traffic And Medians In There And A Pedestrian That'S Got To You Know It'S Got To Move Across There Narrowing Of That Crossing Distance Is A Priority Giving People To React To Also Some You Know Turn Areas We In The County Kind Of Move Forward On Those Changes Together So Even If You Have A Permissive Left Turn When There'S A Pedestrian Call Either A Protected Area And So You Don'T Have Those Left Turners You'Re Getting The Pedestrians Out Of Their Periphery Of Their Vision So The Signal Improvements You Suggested Are Certainly There And Need To Go Forward With That Project Is It Thank You. Any Other Discussion Feedback, Reaction Stuff Did You Have What You Need From Us To Do As Mentioned It We Will Be Back With A Staff Recommended Concept And We'Ll Be Looking For Your Recommendations To Advance That To Council For Approval. So We Appreciate Your Time. Thank You. Thank You For All The Good Work On Our Last Item Is Routine Planning Commission Policy And Issue Update Letting Manager Market Guide To Commissioners. Their Next Meeting Is March 23Rd So Thank You. Let Me Start Over Jerome And Commissioners Your Your Next Meeting Is March 23Rd In Two Weeks And We Have Just One Item On That Agenda Which Is A Conditional Use Permit For A Pet Services Facility At Normandy Station 51 On One West 98Th Street And Then The Following Meeting After That Is April 13Th And We Do Not Currently Have Any Items On That Agenda So Not A Lot Coming Up In The Next Couple Of Weeks. The Deadline For The Has Not Yet Closed Correct? I Did Close Yesterday So If There Were Any Items Added They Would Be Study Items Or If There Was A Continuance On The Conditional Use Permit On The 23Rd Rate Other Items Members Of The Commission Would Like To Bring Forward. Nope. Well Then Seeing That We Are Adjourned Until March 23Rd. >> Thank You"