[0:01] He never does. He settled in here and I don't think the time feels. That is in metal. Alright of what we, what do we call list to order? Well I'll call our listening session to order tonight. [0:21] On the 26 August, thanks to everybody for being here. We have a quorum so we can get started. We've got three folks or maybe about three and a half, I think who called ahead and, and registered. So Brian Wolf to talk for us. [0:33] Sally, I see you there. Sherry I don't see yet. And then Pat I see as well. Are you Sherry? Oh I'm sorry Sherry I didn't see you, I apologize. It's, thank you for being here. I looked right back, I apologize. Thank you. And we have Pat also. Is there anybody else who is looking to speak tonight? [0:51] So given that time breakdown and make sure everybody's got the same amount of time, we'll, when we go with about 7 min a piece and we'll make sure we get out of here at 06:15 and get down to our counsel meeting. So why don't we start? Brian, why don't you start us off, please? Thank you. Thank you. [1:09] So I'm here again. It's good to see you. If you could just identify yourself for the records so we have it. Brian Wolf, the address is 3321 overlook drive. And as I started to say, I'm I'm here back again and it's good to see you again. [1:29] Little, same general topic restore the nine. [1:35] I brought with me some handouts because I want to talk just a little bit about education and I wanted you to know that when it comes to education I'm a bit of an authority on what kids need to, to succeed academically. I've done some research and I've worked on the back of the one page, you'll see that I received a volunte. [1:55] Award for spending a number of years teaching great school kids about biodiversity and conservation and that kind of thing. Also taught at college and became interested in, in how do you predict. [2:10] What students would succeed, which ones won't, and so I started collecting a lot of data on the background to students to find out what, what makes them successful. In addition to the many variables that I looked at in that paper and I didn't give you the whole paper, you can look it up online if you have any interest in going through that. I don't. [2:30] Expected to again that was just to give you some background on, on what I've done. [2:35] When I looked at all the different variables, found that this wouldn't surprise you, that students that came into my natural history and environmental biology classes, I I would ask them if they could name 30 plants and animals found in Minnesota. [2:50] Those that could tended to do much better in the class. Now they were taking natural history, so we were studying our native plants and animals. So you'd expect that they had a leg up. But there were some other interesting findings, not only were they better in my class. [3:07] But they were significantly better at mathematics. And their overall GPA was higher. So that prompted me to think about why that is. What, what is it that, that makes some students able to identify 30 plants and animals and also better at mathematics, and I. [3:27] Think I have an answer to that and it would have to be called a hypothesis because there are many many variables. I can't tease them all out. [3:36] But I think that that we know that children, even adults, have what has been called biophelia. We have a natural interest in the living world around us, and it's often through that, getting that excited. [3:51] That we get interested in the sciences as children and young adults. I want to think a little bit about my experience, and that's gonna bring me to 9 mi Creek. I spent a lot of time down there and I don't think there's any doubt about the fact that. [4:07] That had an influence on what I decided to do later. My willingness to get into the sciences and do the hard work to, to learn that stuff because I got turned on, the sciences in, in 9 mi Creek. I would say that when we talk about privilege. [4:24] That was a privilege I had. Not every young person gets an area like that, and to experience that, and it, it makes a big, big difference. So I'm here today. [4:40] To encourage you to save that Ninemouth Creek Corridor, that central Park area as an educational setting. I'd love to see it used that way. You're gonna hear more from Restore the nine about our ideas for perhaps some sort of educational challenge course that you could. [4:59] Work through as you went down that, that trail along the creek. A little bit like the physical challenge courses you've maybe seen in some of the parts where kids can climb over jungle jams and then they go down aways and do something else, 20 push UPS, whatever it is. But something that that to. [5:15] Get their minds engaged, an academic or educational challenge course along the creek. Love to see you be inspirational. Inspire future generations, inspire. [5:30] Professionals like myself, with what can be done when you really take $20 million and put it towards restoration. What a wonderful difference that can make. Inspire others to do that. And like I say, inspire children through doing that. I see something like. [5:50] You know, is it Harry Buttler, the garden, you know, bring back some of the plants, put them in there, some of those that are missing and make that a real attraction. And I'd ask you to aspire for something. Aspire to something more than what. [6:05] Has been done elsewhere. This stretch of my Mouth Creek isn't the same stretch that you find upstream, where we have bike trails. It's different and I think it deserves to be treated and used differently. [6:20] If you've been acquainted with the ideas of utilitarianism, I know that's a an idea that's somewhat out of fashion, but I think that that corridor has greater utility. It can be used as an educational corridor, a much greater advantage than it can be used for bicycles, e.g.. [6:40] And then if I can have just a few more minutes, do I have just a couple minute 30 right now. Okay, but I just want to tell you what I've learned since the 1st time I was here and I had just met these people and told you that I was not yet a member of a store the nine. I'm now a member of a store the nine. I've been going outdoor knocking. [7:00] Just last Saturday I knocked on a door on a hundred and 10th Street. Met one of my teachers from Old Grove Junior High in the 19 early 1970s. He's now, due to genetic illness, he has gone blind. [7:15] But he remembers that, that trail along the creek. And he just insisted I don't ask for money. Think about this. Your politicians, you go to doors, at least 85 % of the people I visit. [7:31] Our enthusiastic and immediately supportive. A great many of them, every time I go out, somebody gives me a check, even though I never ask for one, because it means that much to him. And that includes him. He'll never go down there again. He's blind. He'll never see it again, but he wanted to give me. [7:52] Because he remembers it and he thinks it's that important. And that's not the an abnormal situation. Seems like I see that every time I go out. In fact, I get invited in so often for cookies, donuts and coffee that I'm putting on weight. I go out walking and I come back. [8:12] Heavier than than when I started out I'm gonna have to cut you off right we're 7 min. I'm good at that point. Very, very good. Thank you. Thank you much. [8:21] Okay, so last time I was here I had some questions and I sent you guys the questions and they haven't been answered and to save time I'm not gonna read them again, but. [8:41] I would like them answered. I'll send him again and. About having, lighting in the parking lot. So on another topic, at the last listening session, a woman spoke about being followed by the police and stated quote, I'm speaking to a lot of residents on the east side and I find. [9:02] Found out that I am not the only one. Unquote. Shelsa stated quote, and hopefully other people will come out too and start talking about what's happened to them on the east side of Bloomington unquote. One example of what happened to me is directed Patrol reports specifically mentioning my name. [9:20] Thursday 5 December 2019 02:28 p.m.. Extra patrol due to fast issues with Sallyness and Alpharook members. Monday 9 December 2019 01:58 p.m.. Extra patrol in the area due to pass issues between Alpharook members and Sallyness. [9:38] Saturday 14 December 2019 02:24 p.m.. Extra patrol due to pass issues with sallyness and alphrut members. Tuesday 24 December 2019 1041aM. Extra patrol to pass issues. [9:54] Issued between Sallyness and alphroop members. Thursday, 2 January 2020 1030aM. Direct patrol due to pass issues with Sallyness and alphroop members appears peaceful at this time NO traffic ordinance violations. [10:10] Sunday 5 January 2020 1056 again, extra patrol due to past issues with stylliness and alproof members backed up 4862 with BP 4811. Thursday 16 January 2020 1020 70. Extra patrol at the temple due to past issue. [10:30] With members and neighbors sallyness. The reports make NO sense. The reports are from 19 December and January 2020. It is called so unlikely about the charter's school or the weekend religious school using the playground. The reports do not include a Friday or a religious event, so unlikely about the overuse. [10:54] Additionally, I stopped taking pictures 27 August 2019, when the officers came to my car while I was in my neighbor's driveway with her permission. Legally taking pictures of concerns such as the non compliance to the disability parking. [11:10] The officers incorrectly told me I should stop because I could be charged with violating the Minnesota harassment statute, which I could not have been because I was legally taking pictures. I'm asking the city to explain why the police were putting my name in police reports and driving through the neighborhood when I had not broken any laws. [11:30] I will. I'll have to get an answer because I don't know how they would identify you without naming you. I mean if there's a specific concern about a specific person, I think they named them in their radio calls and in their their information. Right, and I wasn't breaking any loss. I didn't say you were. [11:49] There was concerns enough that they wanted to identify you just to make sure that everybody knew what was going on. Just FYI, there was NO interaction between me and them. I was in the one time in the driveway, so it's not like these reports are making it sound like I'm walking. No idea what the reports are about or what, what they were talking about. 20 ninete. [12:09] But maybe if we did an internal investigation, as I had requested, you would know, but so far that hasn't happened and you just don't go and put somebody's name on police reports and drive through the neighborhood. There wasn't the conflict that these. [12:24] Reports show, and again, it's December and January, freaking cold out something. I don't know the details. Right. Do you know that our police obviously were concerned enough that they, they, they use that language in their. Yeah, and I want to know what they're concerned about because there was nothing. Please. [12:44] I didn't actually read the full site or the full language and in most of these it says I found NO ordinance violations. I found NO parking violations. It's, you know, like. [12:54] So you're dismissing the fact that they may have actually been responding to things that you were calling the city about at the time because you call every week about parking violations, noise violations, light violations, not having enough light, right? So if they could actually have been responding because you were submitting complaints to the city. And if you heard what I see. [13:14] Bad. What I had just read, if you had heard you didn't read everything. If you heard what I had just read, none of those dates are about Friday or an eide or every cool day. About Friday, are you reading the emails? They are about Friday. They are about eating, and I don't think almost. [13:34] None of us were on the city council at that time. Again, weren't getting those emails. And so the emails that you are getting, they are about Friday. Now they are. Now they are. These are from 2019. [13:45] And so you're talking about why you were getting kicked out, but they're about noise violations and traffic violations which are the things that you were calling about. No, NO, there isn't I have not called about traffic on a Saturday afternoon. Parking. The parking is Friday. [14:03] Seriously. This is, this is inappropriate. Well, what's the parking concerns are Friday miss mass. This is so I I rattle on with the police all the time, right? When they say extra patrol due to past issues or whatever, what, what that usually. [14:23] Is is that because of your reports, they are being diligent all week long. That's how this works. There's you what usually happens is in the roll call that happens at the change of shift, there's a conversation and anybody can go to a roll call and watch this if you ride along so you can. [14:41] You can confirm my point, ok? They go through the roll call and they say, hey, we're gonna do extra peripherals in this area. Could be sometimes and and e.g. recently it's been because of the issues that we're having at Zertzys and American Bullargard with the with the issues of, with parking at the heights there, e.g.. There's extra controls happening. [15:01] I had a recently in my neighborhood eight Emerson and and 85th, because there were extra patrols requested. They put one of the signs that do you know reinforcement of the, the speed, the new speed limit, e.g.. I'm just weird. Extra patrol due to past issues is their way of. [15:21] By saying these are happening more frequently and these are the reports from those more frequent reports, but I would agree with with council member Carter, most likely they happened because of the, the, the length of of the inquiries, so it was put on the role call to do for the week. Well, the police should be more diligent than that because the reports are concerned. [15:41] The traffic on Friday how it works. And how it should work is we have a problem on Fridays. We don't have a problem on a. [15:49] 02:00 on a Monday. Sure, we don't have a problem on Saturday. I'm pretty sure mr. Mayoron and you too assume mr. city manager. We do have patrols on Fridays that offerrooke. Yes, we do. Now they may not have been there in 2019. Again none of us can corroborate that, but they are happening today. So I think the things that you might complain about on Fridays can be witnessed directly by the police race. [16:09] And so again none of these include a friday. And again, the, the concern at the time because the concern at the time was the playground. [16:19] And the parking and the parking in the street is Friday. Sure. During eves, during events, this is none of that Christmas holiday, any Christmas holidays are celebrated by Muslims hunt. So like this is going on because of of extra activity. We're, we're we're we're at, we're at time and Sally I I think the bottom line is the, the police had a reason to do this. [16:39] They don't do things. Find that reason. You'll find that reason and you usually say, oh, if we give you an answer, probably not sally I'm not gonna go. Probably not. Oh it's something that happened six years ago to ask them to try and recall what they were thinking in December. It should be data to back up why they're going. [16:56] Directly into the neighborhood. And so you want us to expand time and resources to. I wanted an internal investigation and there's plenty of reasons why there should have been one. Sally, we're not doing an internal investigation. I know, I know, and this, this is reason there should have been back when I had asked for it. It wouldn't be years ago back when I asked for. [17:16] For it. Investigating you? Just for your recollection, the city of turning. Were They were driving in the neighborhood because of issues with me. There wasn't an issue with me. There wasn't my name should be. That's all I wanted to know. They weren't issues with you. [17:39] They weren't the best, they weren't there for you. And mr. Mayor council members just one comment too where miss Miss says that they're going into neighborhoods. Our police officers are always patroling neighborhoods Yes they are. [17:50] As they should be. Yeah. I've never been to one of these, like, hey! I wanted to bring up the fiber optic. Oh, please, yes. Yeah, the last time they came around to this. Sure if you could officially identify. [18:10] This helped us who we got you on the record. Okay Sherry, we'll we'll go with Sherry then. Very good. All right. Yeah, the fiber optic, the last time they came through, they said they were, you know, digging around the square things, digging the dirt out, they're gonna put fresh dirt in, lace some, seed down, and I said there was already grass there, you didn't have to do all that. I was mulling a right alright. It was fine. Well, then they dug two other. [18:33] Spots in on my property. And that NO NO rhyme or reason. And I went out there and there was around my sewer pipe. I got pictures around my sewer pipe. Why are you digging there? There's NO reason for that. They said, well, we didn't needed restoration. I said, well, then do the whole yard. Take a look at it like a crabross everywhere, you know? [18:55] So there was NO reason for that. I said put it all back. I made them put it back in those, there's NO reason to dig there. I said you're not allowed in my property anymore. That's what I'm done. Do you know what company you were dealing with? Do you know which company you were dealing with? Was there markings on the truck or did they identify that? ITTG yeah I think there was one in, uh. [19:13] And at afterwards if you could give us your address so we could take a look at it. We we've got we've had a number of complaints. Yeah. And we've been following up on as many as we get the information and can follow up on and trying to correct any issues that are there or make sure that folks who are blatantly violating any kind of rules or or the rights of neighbors. [19:33] We asked them very politely not to come back. So, so well, if we can get your information, but if you if you have any more. Yeah, and then yeah then the next, not too long after a couple days later, I thought it was actually ambulance, but it wasn't. He said Chicago fire Department at the top, he was pulling something behind it. [19:52] He was trying to back up, he went drove up on my yard, and I already called the city, you gotta need to come fix that. We'll put you on the calendar. You can see it's dipped down right by the curve. A Chicago ambulance. That's what it said at the top, and then you come down the road again and I was like. [20:08] An ambulance, and actually a siren happened to be going down the road at the same time and it wasn't it, NO, it looked like an ambulance and I'm But anyway, so they need to come and fix that because he come right up on my property and you can I was mowing my art and my foot fell down and I thought mr. Berugie, mr. council members Sherry can I ask you a couple questions? [20:28] When you say it's on your property, you know, are you or there's a certain amount of right away that they're allowed? So are they actually going beyond the right away onto your property, like into your front? I knew you were gonna say that's it. I maintain it, that's mine. [20:42] Well, if, if it's the right of way, they have the right to be working. Not that they're digging around my pipe. They do, they do. Not on my pipe, they're not, they break that pipe. They're. If they break the pipe, they have to repair it. But there's NO reason for them to be. Have the right to be in the right of way. [20:58] Our ability to control them is we can, we have to issue a permit to them. We don't have a lot that we can say in that regard, and then we have to try and enforce when they're not following rules, and as the mayor was saying unfortunately, our history with them have not been following the rules. So if they come in and they do a poor job. [21:18] Of digging and then not returning the property to the state it was in before. That's a performance issue. We have had contractors that have hit pipes, whether they're gas pipes or sore pipes, and they're required to fix those pipes, and it's a huge inconvenience for residents and, they're allowed to. [21:38] Either I'll show you the pictures cause NO, it wasn't a digging where the square is, where there's a pipe. [21:44] The pipes way over here, the squares over here. What are they doing over here across your entire front property? No, NO NO. They're digging around the pipe, they dug around the pipe this way, this way, right? Just to put dirt and put seed over something that they had NO business touching. Understood. So I got pictures there. No, I'm not trying to defend them. I'm just saying like what we all have to understand is that. [22:04] But the entire front of your property, the 1st five to 8 ft depending upon your particular plot is considered right away, including where you're talking about. I'm not saying they have the right to do that or not do that by their by the 1st. [22:16] I think that exactly was. She's saying that there was NO reason. I understand that. They don't have to have a reason as long as they have a permit. That's what I'm trying to tell you. No, they cannot just dig around my pipe just cause they have a permit. The permit's not to dig around my pipe. The reason is to dig put fiberaptic in. [22:31] The two are ways I'm not going to be the subjective judge of whether what they're doing or not is for that purpose I guess is what I'm saying. I'm not an expert in laying fiber optic pipe. It sounds like you might be, and that's great. So if you can call them on that and say that, hey, that's not laying that, I get that, but I'm, what I'm trying to say is they have two obligations to us. One. [22:51] Want to do the job that they're permitted to do and two to restore the place to what it was prior to their digging. I can't explain why the people in this particular not thought thought that they were doing that, but I also don't want to assume that they weren't. [23:05] Doing that, and to their mind, whether that was right or not, I agree. I understand where you're coming from cause it happened in my yard too, right? I get it. I have a big block in my yard too. I totally understand. I'm just saying like, if they thought that that was part of their order and that's what they were doing, I can't like I don't have the documentation to say that or not say that. No, I got pictures so NO, that sound. [23:25] That's part of the order. No business around my pipe at all. That's what I would challenge here. And i'd sent that to the city then. Yep. So have you called city staff up anyway? Yes, he was gonna have to. Yep with a dip down where he drove up on the thing? Yeah, they need to fix that. That wasn't like that. Yes I did and they said, well, we'll put you on the books. I'm like, Yeah there are a lot of complaints right now. [23:45] Wouldn't be surprising if you can't get out right away. So and and you can't fell and my footwent down into that Yeah. [23:52] Yeah, and we we've had uncovered holes in people's front. Yep enormous, enormous dan enormously dangerous. So if you could, right after the meeting, if you could talk to Safa, make sure we've got your address. We we have your contact information, we can get back to you and we will we will share any pictures and we will, we will follow up accordingly, if that would work for you, ok? [24:12] Anyway, I got something else. I've now we're out of time unfortunately. Yep. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was always next week. Yeah, there's Always till next week because I've already called the cops and they drive right by and don't do nothing. It cannot wait. Okay. We can get you after, we can talk. [24:34] Quickly afterwards we are on our way down soon. And Pat. Thank you all. Good evening and welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Please have you for the record? I am Pat Garren Bauker, and I am here on. [24:56] My favorite topic, which would be the new health and wellness center. [25:02] And I'm here, I am disappointed in Park and rack that after all the effort of collecting over a hundred senior surveys, which was the matching survey to the one sent out, Park and Rec chose. [25:21] Not to present it to you, they chose to look at it and let it go. And I think that's an indication of the Park and Wreck senior. [25:37] Opinion, and I also, so I was very disappointed that after all that effort, Park and Rec goes, ah, well, ok, now we've read it and did not, they're not presenting it to you, and I'm very disappointed. [25:57] So the the fact that they're not presenting it to us doesn't mean that they went, oh nice and and tossed to the side. We get a lot of feedback in a lot of different ways. What we're talking about tonight is a statistically significant survey. So I mean there's a lot of ways you can get information, but to get. [26:14] A statistically significant survey is a big undertaking and it's important because then it doesn't skew one way or another. It doesn't skew toward age or or side of town or gender. It's tried to balance out the entire community and get feedback from the entire community, not just from a single group. And when people self select. [26:33] With that other feedback form that we had, the other survey, it was people just chiming in because they wanted to. It was the same survey. It's the same survey, but it's not a random survey in that, in that manner, just people self selecting to participate. So they didn't just dismiss the information, but we want to focus on the information. [26:53] That accurately and entirely represents the city based on this statistics, the, the statistically significant results of this. [27:03] What I found significant is, they parking Rack came back to Creek site and they let us know that, and I think this is significant. [27:23] 44 % of respondents had participated in a Creek side program in the past year. So I think that is significant that of this significant survey, 44 % of all the households said that they. [27:43] Had participated. I also am curious why a kid's club would get 1500 ft and seniors. [28:01] Have shared square feet. If you have kids designated area, why wouldn't you have a senior designated area? And in that senior designated area, you could have the fixed. [28:17] Programs, like the botique, and rocks and all those six programs I would, I would like to understand why kid's Club gets 1500 sq ft. [28:34] And seniors have to share and don't get any fixed space. And the other thing of course I am always concerned about is cost. And I am concerned about the cost of nevership and you haven't even looked at it. [28:54] Based on three net. Where are you good? Okay. I'm concerned about the cost and how an average household that has a per Capita income in the last twelve months in 2022 $47791 is going to be able to participate. [29:18] I know there's, there's. Ah, I know a lot of people spend a lot in sports, but they spend it on programs like hockey or team soccer or team basketball. They're gonna They are gonna spend that money on their kids in their organized sports. They're not gonna go, hey, I want to go to the pool and. [29:40] I'm just presenting that because part of the statistical survey was how much do you spend on sports? And I know because I had my kids in sports is that that big money is for your kids in organized sports. So let let me just because we've got to wrap up here, and let me let me just answer. [30:01] The presentation that I got from Parks last week, I saw four different possibilities in terms of how the building was gonna lay out and where it was gonna go. None of it was set in stone. So to say that kids get 1500 sq ft and we're not sure what seniors get, that hasn't been decided yet. And if you had the conversation and if you saw the presentation with Park and Wreck, you know, they I'm sure they said that in that previo. [30:21] Presentation, so we are we are that that's placeholder now. We haven't nothing is locked in yet. The conversation continues. [30:28] And so, to, to say that, but we we're out of time here and the other thing that I want to say from a cost perspective, we're looking at running the the new community health and wellness center to recover as much cost of the operating cost as possible because otherwise it's a burdened taxpayers of whole and we want to make sure that we recover as much. [30:47] Is your cost as possible, and we're also working very hard to make sure that it's a sliding scale. So folks with less ability to pay pay less, folks with more ability to pay pay more. And that's, that's what I can tell you on those two issues that those two concerns that you might have. Very quickly here, 30 s. Okay, go ahead downstairs. Actually we had a presentation from Park. [31:07] And they said NO fixed space. They came two creek sides. They said NO single use space is what they told you, isn't it? Yes. That's different than fixed space. No single use space because we want to make sure the health and wellness center is available and usable by a wide variety of folks without saying this specific. [31:27] Fixed is, e.g., the boutique and only the boutique or this specific space is for, give me another example here. Or because of wood shop is a single use space and that makes NO sense in the city of 91000 to have a single used space except you have kids club. [31:46] Which is between 95 activities? I mean that's, that's not a single use. That's not a face that's set aside. So they're not gonna have a juggled in there? Don't know. I don't know, we're still trying to decide. Nobody's decided anything like that yet. We will we we can This conversation continues. So, last time. Thank you all for being here this evening. Appreciate.