[2:52] Okay, what am I doing wrong? Public works is aware. Okay, well, alright I will, I will call the city council listening session to order. This is Monday September the 30th. Thank you all for being here. [3:08] We will start, as I said, everybody gets now we're a couple minutes behind schedules, so everybody, you know, seven 8 min or so, we will start with Sally. So last time I was here, I commented again about my name being on seven police reports and then. [3:28] Two council members giving their, you know, giving reasons that the police would be having my name on reports, but I wasn't calling, I wasn't even at listening sessions. I was pretty much absent. So again. [3:46] I want to know why my name is on seven police reports. I wasn't calling the police. They shouldn't have been putting my name on a report, seven reports and they're on there and I should know. I should know why. [4:05] The police for putting my name in seven police reports. Seven that I know of. May I ask a quick question or make a clarification please? Just just for your information Sally, I I think the only those were given to you because you made a data request for them, correct? Yes. Okay, so they're not public record. You had to specifically. [4:25] Request them 1st off, so everybody's a public, that's not a public record. It is a public record, only if you ask for it, like you'd have to go get it. It's not like they just put it out in there either, right? I mean, those are call reports. They're not technically police reports. So what they are is, and, is when somebody is asked by dispatch to go to a place, they may. [4:45] Make a rep they make a call report that says they did this thing because dispatch asked them to, ok? That's different than saying like. [4:53] There was a reported robbery, and I went and I made a police report out of it like with a name and a case number and all that kind of stuff. So just for clarification purposes, these are a lot more like, think about it more like call notes and not an official police report. So I have police coming into the neighborhood with my name. [5:12] On a call note, I would like to know why. I mean, why is my name? Yeah, I get that question. That's my question around what it is that we're talking about. Because when you say I sent them all, I sent I sent you guys them the public. It has a certain connotation and I just want to be sure people know that it's it's not an official police report. [5:32] Well, it's. Theory saw the same to have my name, where police are coming into the neighborhood with my name. I mean, so that happens usually because, again, there's the reasons you two, two council members gave it last time, NO reasons. I had not called the police for several months. So here's what, what he. [5:54] Here's what I'll do. Jamie's obviously not he with us tonight, so I don't know if he he's connected with the chief yet. I he and I haven't talked about that. Okay. But I I will ask Jamie again. We will follow up on that. [6:03] And if the police can recall, and this was how many years ago now? So that was four years ago now. We'll, and we'll see if, we'll see if they We'll see if they recall why your name was put there and we will ask them, and then we will tell you. [6:22] Whatever we find out and then that will be the answer. I mean, are, are, are we, can we agree on that? No, it doesn't make sense. It's you, if my name is in report, there has to be something to support it. You just don't go, let's go into the neighborhood and put her name on a report. [6:39] I will ask them. And if they say it's because we had heard from her many times or we knew there was issues in the past or whatever that was, what whatever they say, and I have NO idea what they're gonna say, that will be the answer. Can we agree on that? No, because it doesn't make sense. My name went. I want to know why it's on the report. I. [6:59] Just said, we will ask them and get an answer from them and I will report that to you and then that will be the answer. [7:06] Previously, when I've received answers from the city, they haven't made sense. For instance, the disability parking, you know, I say there it made sense to everybody, but you apparently Sally because the city's staff was ok with it, the police were ok with it. Darren Brooke was ok with it. But it wasn't. [7:26] State statute compliant and now they are. So I have a city giving inaccurate information. I keep with it to get it accurate and now they are properly putting the buses. [7:38] To not block the disability parking. It made NO sense that the entire city. Okay Sally, we're we're we're talking about this issue. Let's talk about this issue, and what I'm gonna promise you, I will get an answer, I will give you the answer, and then we're done talking about it. All right? No, you to to say again with the disability parking, that's pretty much. [7:58] You said we answered it, but it was inaccurate. You should want the accurate information. I think we said that the police chief was meeting with Daryl Farouk and the state to fix it. That's what we told you. And, and it happened and fixed and and the city manager said they are temporarily parking there. That wasn't accurate. [8:21] As if temporarily parking there was ok until and I continued with it until it was fixed. [8:27] Until it was accurate, and similar to like the, with the ice cream truck. All right, Sally. All right, thank you. Thank you. Yep. Michael. My name, my name is Anne. [8:47] Jay Heali and I am eight years old and. Me and my grandma started going to the creek when I was about four years old and we started just going on the paved paths and then we started going on the unpaved paths like dear paths, and we've seen a lot of things since we've seen, I mean, a germinated. [9:12] The A corn, we've seen kayote bones, scare bones. And what else have we seen like we've seen just some, a lot of nature and we think that if there if we can keep all the stuff that we have there and not add bike paths, that it'll stay. [9:36] All it'll be really nice and that there will still be a lot of nature in that, like, animals can live there. And if there's bike paths, then that's, it's kind of killing the environment because there's not a lot of places for animals now. [9:57] Because of how much city there is and that's a place where every. [10:02] A lot of animals can just live in peace, and my background with the creek is good and and we, I think that just all. [10:18] The birdge tripping to the wind, to the creek just hitting the rocks. It's just a lovely place and that there shouldn't be bike pass, because. [10:34] There's, it's really sensitive that environment and it should stay like that. And that's why everybody here thinks that there shouldn't be bike pass and that it should. [10:54] Can stay that way. And we think that just having that place is super special, having all the trees, having all the nature, having all the nice. [11:12] Plant it's just super special. Thank you, MJ. Council member, do you have a question? I do HIMJ I'm Lona Nice to meet you. Nice question for you. How do you get to the park today? How do you get to the park today? Do you drive or do you walk like you there? He drives and. Yeah, we drive. [11:32] Five and then. We sometimes we explore places that we haven't been in some place and sometimes we go to places that we have been because there we every time we go there, there might, there's something that we find that's different. Yeah. What part of the, what part of the creek do you normally hang out in? [11:53] Well, when I was little, we hanged, we were in like the left side that path, but once we started to go on unpaved paths, like dear paths, we started going on the right side. Okay, great. [12:09] Wow, thank you. I appreciate it. And everybody knows that there's a lot of bike paths in Bloomington and that there shouldn't There has to be at least one or two places where everybody can go and just. [12:29] Feel like. This is really nice and not have to deal with the problem that maybe there's a bunch of bikes and that there's people just screating around and if there's bike paths, if they're too close to the walking paths that maybe. [12:50] There could be an incident when someone gets hit and run over by something, and that's not good. [12:59] Also any additional questions of MJ? Very good. Anything else to add? Well good. Well, thank you. Thanks for coming today. Thanks for your input. Robert. [13:17] Yeah Hi everyone. Yeah I know it's hard to do that. Hope he's out here too. That'd be really. They're common. Yeah. [13:33] I'm Robert Coleman and I'm here to talk about some of the things that are on the agenda today. Obviously there's, there's public hearing opportunities that I will be speaking at, but, I have some concerns about the the luther Kia application that is on the consent agenda, and so does not, you know, get anything like that. [13:52] So just a quick question, your discretion here, but normally we don't talk about things on the agendas and I also just want to recognize that we have, we have your email and have read it very thoughtful, so I think it was in the public package. Yeah in the public packet it was public. I think the fact that it's not a public hearing opportunity of being on the comp on the. [14:12] That agenda, but just wanted to clarify. Yep exactly. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. I think that I mean some of the stuff I have mentioned in what I, my written testimony, but I I just wanna, say that, to like connect it to some of the other things that cause obviously each individual public hearing is only for that, that specific item, but I kind of wanna. [14:32] Give like a, what I think is like a big picture view. Also, because, I think that the, when like I look at the intent statement for, the, the C five district that the luther Kia would be in, it, it really, has like a very optimistic, it has a very. [14:53] You know, it talks a big game about what that district should look like and, but then it it's a, the underlying code doesn't really back that up because there's this carve out from 2015 that allows the, the floor arrow ratio, which is one of the most important tools in that toolbook, to be arbitrary based on. [15:13] On if if there's like any increase to the, the, the intensity then it could be anything as opposed to being the minimum of .1. And when I look at the the application that it is, it it doesn't follow the intent of the C five district, if I can, if you can humor me for just a moment as I read some of it, the. [15:33] The intent of the C five district is to provide high intensity mixed residential and commercial land uses in locations where excellent, accessible transit services anticipated to be available. The intents, number one is to encourage the incorporation of high density residential uses to promote an attractive streetscape through building placement and design through. [15:53] We restrict in incompatible uses such as gas stations, auto repairing car washes, and four reduce the visual impact of parked vehicles by requiring the placement of vehicle parking areas to be to the side arrear of buildings. And it really feels like the the the 2015 carve out doesn't, it doesn't help towards that. Like I I remember we hearing in the. [16:13] The discussion about the RS one changes that. It's important to have the intent and the co underlying code be in harmony. And I don't see how there's it feels reconciliation how those two parts of the code interact together. So, I think that the important thing is that the 2015 carve out says May. The city council may give, you know, ways. [16:37] To the, the minimum floor ratio for those for auto sales in the C five district, and I think that. [16:44] It, I, I hope that you guys will talk about it. We'll talk about the intent of the C five district and to not grant that flexibility. And also, and when I, think about what the, when I, if I try to connect it in my head with the, the, the remote airport parking moratorium and the. [17:04] In south town, it really, if I'm, you know, if you're thinking if. Your Handifen County or you're the federal transit authority or you're the state or the, you know, or Congress trying to figure out, especially when it comes to money. Like, we're looking for an earmark for the sanitary sewer capacity and hopefully if American both of our transit way moves forward, they would. [17:29] Hannapping County will be funding most of that hopefully some from the FTA as well, and it really feels like. [17:35] The, the penn American plan and the South loop district plan and the city code intent statements, they really, they paint a different picture than what the actual underlying code, shows because if you're, if you know, if you're working at the FTA and you're like, yeah, I really feel like the, you know, the future. [17:53] Now, in the future, the American transit way corner plan, like it says a lot of good things, but if we can have if the city of Bloomington is, you know, putting in code these carve outs and then using them in 2024, to undermine one of the most important tools of the C five district and. [18:13] To, and the. And you have, you know, you have this awesome American penn American district plan except there's the secret agreement between the city and Crowds Anderson where they signed away most of the important stuff or, you know, the, the South loop district plan has, you know, says we're gonna phase out, remote airport parking. [18:36] And these are the tools and it seems like maybe we're gonna change that policy decision. It really doesn't feel like, it, it doesn't feel like it, it's gonna have like lasting effects for decades because, e.g., for the luther Kia, that building it they're gonna be building a brand new building and it, they're gonna have an. [18:56] Expectation that it's gonna stand for decades, we're not gonna see another opportunity to have it be look like the C five district for. [19:03] You know, could it be 2034 or 2044I don't know. I I just really don't feel like, those are the things that we should be, we, we should be looking towards the future and not using that carve out. Mr. mayor? Hi Robert. I'm sorry. No, it's great. Kind of ranting. [19:23] There's a couple of clarifications I'm gonna ask you about really quickly. So to your point on the key of thing I had asked some questions of staff earlier because I had a similar impression of what we had been working towards, so I'll be holding that and we'll have a good discussion about it tonight so can't tell any tell you what we're gonna vote, right? But that'll help. [19:43] Happened. At least I'll be asking to hold it. Regarding the other two things though, I just want to be I wanna be careful. I don't know that there's a secret agreement between bloom, the city of Bloomington and Cross Anderson about anything, and if you know about it, it can't be secret, so I just want to be careful with our terminology there. I guess what what I was thinking is that like when I was originally, you know, researching stuff. [20:07] And then later there was the, the, the development agreement. There was I I didn't know it existed until I was at the, the, the planning commission hearing and they were like, yeah, this agreement happened with Cross Anderson and like I looked back in the, in the, like the, the minutes of when it was passed and there was NO way for me to be able to see it because of course the the packets, I don't even know. [20:31] If it was in the packet at the time, but the packets aren't, they aren't archived and I wasn't it I only got it like 2015 itself. Yeah. And, I got I I only complete, I got a, data practices request and it only finished, I only got it back a few days ago. And even that it wasn't. [20:51] Really what I wanted. We're we're at time now, but I I would I would concur with council member Dallassandro, I mean words matter and you gotta be careful about saying secret agreement between the city and Cross Angeles and because again if. [21:02] It doesn't exist. I mean, it's, it's not easily accessible to the public. Well, that that's that's different than a secret agreement and I would disagree with the fact that it's not easily accessible also. But as council member Dallassandro said, she's gonna be pulling that so you'll be hearing the conversation I think later this evening. So thank you. [21:20] Yep. Well, and the K one will be public comment, right? That is correct. Yes. Yep. And Sherry, oops. I don't know how to go about going about seeing all this, but I have a problem with my neighbor. [21:40] Yeah, it's been going on for a while, and I've called the cops. The cops have been there, had to talk with them, and yet it continues. Apparently he has a problem with his horn at 1230 yeah 1230aM 1130 pM3. [22:00] Day in the morning, he doesn't just go to lock it. It takes him 45 min to lock it. Yeah. Yeah. [22:08] And then he does it before he leaves to work cause he has his little kids crawling there and beat the horn for about a half an hour before he can leave. Yeah, it's he's a piece of work. And recently, he went through some branches that were at the end of his driveway and somebody else put him in between the garage and mike fence. [22:28] He's close and he threw him over my fence. And I'm like, you can't do that. And he said, well, it's your F and tree? And I'm like, ok, we're done here. I called the cops. I know it, right? Yeah. And so I was kind of offended by the officer. I do have video as you know, I. [22:46] Have my cameras and I videoed all that and I was offended by his things he had said, because I didn't go over there and get the branches, put him in my yard. I said see my yards all clean, you know, so, you know, and the cup tried explaining stuff to him and he's not understanding. [23:04] He said if it rains in your yard, it's your rain. If it snows in your yard, it's your snow. You can't just throw it over there. He's not understanding this. Yeah. And then these little kids that he has, he has nine, had a recent one, yeah, great. [23:19] Yeah, and they get in the car unlocked and now they're slamming the car, they're getting in NO adult around. They're in the house. You don't know if they're gonna They get behind the wheel of that vehicle, you know, and so I don't know, I've sent the owners. [23:36] Certified return receipt letter. They have been there. They've seen me outside, you know, not a word. So, I don't know what, to the, you know, I keep coming here the day I, you know, I had I came here the next day, I called the cops, it was like I don't know start like at 1030 at night it's like really. [23:54] You know, we start beeping already, you know, and I can see in my camera oop, there goes a guy oop, there he goes. I'm like, oh, there's something wrong there. Did the beeping stop? No, it did not. Oh, at least left before the beeping stopped. Oh, NO, there we go. Oh he know he he he'll pause for a little bit. And you think he's done, you're like, oh, ok. [24:12] Nope 15 min like really? Yeah. He needs a time I don't know I don't know what needs to be done at this point. Well then I come to the police station and I said, Well, something needs to be done. This is this is almost every night here, this is ridiculous. And, so I played it for him while I was talking to the officer. I said, you hear that? And he goes, Yeah. [24:32] I said 45 min to lock a vehicle. Yeah. He says, well, call when it happens. I'm like, but I did. And then he said, he goes, Well, they come down, they might go sit down the road to hear it. It's not a matter if they hear it. I heard it. That's why I'm calling. This needs to stop. And, you know, and now they have the little kids in there slamming, takes them about an hour, they're in and out of this car. They're little. [24:55] They're like ages 234, and five and they're crawling in with NO adult around. And I don't know. So a couple of things I would I would say if as the if the beeping continues I would continue to call the police that especially late at night, I mean that's a that's a violation and and you can't be doing that kind of thing, so I would continue to do that. [25:15] Environmental health might be the people to talk to regarding. Branches or brush or whatever and and that lot line disputes so we can, we can make sure that environmental health reaches out. And in terms of kids playing in the car, I, that's not illegal. I mean unless he gives them the keys and, and fires up the vehicle, there's I I think the kids will play in the car. The thing in gear something oh boy. Not a. [25:38] Not a good idea, but that's not necessarily a legal or or in violation of city code or ordinance of any kind. So, and, and I would suggest I don't know if you've had an opportunity. I, I appreciate that you reached out to the owner of the house, I think that's a good idea and perhaps just to talk to him as well. I mean, has he ever explained why the beeping goes on or? No, I. [25:58] Have you asked it? Yeah, when they 1st moved in, my head issues with them coming over to my property, these, the little kids, they're digging in my rocks pulling stuff away from my window and doing all this stuff I know, but I don't want, No I don't want you over here. Got a yard over there. See over there. Cause they pull screens off, they take downspats off and I know my house is not looking like that. [26:18] They want to ruin that when you go ahead. Okay, have you talked to Have you talked to your neighbor about all of this? No, I I don't see them very often, but recently they've been there now the people on the other side, they start putting up bushes cause they want like boundaries and the owner got so mad. [26:34] And of course I had that recorded too, you know, but, so mad they started yelling at her finger in her face and everything saying you can't do this, I'm gonna sue you, and NO. This was the owner of the house or the renter? Owner of the house was saying, that's what I'm saying, so that's why it's like, it's not gonna matter what you say. [26:53] To them because i've told them before, can you tell them to stay over? I've told the the the woman, the owner, I said, can you tell him to stay over there? I don't want him, you know, I mean, there's not very much space here. I mean, my bedroom window here his driveways here Hong Kong Konk and then he had little kids coming over and I put a little plastic fence, they don't care, they go around it. [27:13] You know, so, and NO parenting. So now I'm to the point where now it's like now I want to talk to the chief, let's do something because, NO, nobody wants us sitting outside their bedroom window and you're hearing this and. [27:29] Even on a Saturday too when he's not going to work. The noise issues I I agree aren't are something that need to be dealt with and the brush issues and so on. Kids in the yard I mean that it gets, it gets a little sticky with that. I mean, we're, we're not gonna hallway kids for playing in the neighbor's yard or or playing in the car. I mean that kind of. I'm just pointing out because they're so little. I get it. [27:49] I get it. And. Yeah, I don't know I guess my other, my, my only other suggestion would be to to try and talk to him, to try and get him to understand your point of view and and to make these, you know, just to make the, the, the connection and talk to him and see what that leads to. I would say the renter then. Oh, NO, he's our NO he he's not here and I'm not with me. [28:12] Okay, he's already When I told him he can't do that through the bushes over he's already swearing at me. So right then I stop. [28:19] Somebody else needs to handle this because he's not gonna listen, he's No. Well, we can, and quickly we gotta wrap up here. Mr. Mayor. Noise noise violations are, are mismeaners, correct? And they, they can be cited. Does that go to the person or does that go to the property? So like in this particular case, would the renter be the. [28:39] The person who would be issued the citation for noise violation or would it be the property owner? I can check. Yeah, we'd have to check on that. The only other reason I bring that up is that that's also an avenue, if there is a citation that can be issued and it is to the property owner that might be incentivizing to the for the owner to actually work with the yeah. [28:59] That's a good point too. So you have last question here we gotta wrap up. Not a question. You clarify that there's a owner and a renter. We have very limited ability to make your neighbor be a good human being. [29:16] We can't do that. That's not in our ordinances to do that. Rental or the owner of our property, if they rent it, we have more control because that's a business. And one of the things I would suggest is a potential to look at because we decide not to go forward with short term rentals, but one of the things that short term rentals. [29:36] Tools have historically done is put in place rules regarding noise and parties and things of that nature, and we may have, we may have tools. I'm gonna be honest with you. [29:48] City government moves slowly. It's gonna take a while if it's something we are able to do, but we maybe able to do some things like that to deal with a rental situation, much more so than if if they own the house themselves. Well, that's what I said to the police officers what can you contact the owners then? Because other. [30:08] But it sounds like that didn't work. The owners didn't care. Didn't care about my letter. No. And so, and that's all I'm saying is there are. [30:17] It's still not right. Yeah. But there's slightly more there with a business that has to get a license to the city. Agreed. Yeah. Thanks for that. That's a that's a good perspective. Those if there's anything there or anything we can do, ok. I could have time and sympathize with. Yep, I do too much. [30:37] Thank you. We're out of time. Thank you much for tonight. Also, we are out of time, I look for a motion to adjourn our listening listening session tonight. So Motion in a 2nd, all in favor, please signify by saying i. Hi hi. Opposed motion carry six zero when we are adjourned, we will see you downstairs. Thanks everybody for coming tonight, Appreciate it. [30:57] Thank you.