[2:42] 2025, thanks everybody for being here. We had one person pre arranged to speak. Greg Pete was Greg here. I do not see him because there's exactly one person in this room there and Mike, you're on and. [3:00] The way we've got it set up now, it's we do limit people to 5 min we think you can sign in after you're done speaking and we will go from there. Sure alright just follow up to a couple of minutes from other meetings, apologies that wasn't here earlier today. [3:21] To address them because you just take your name for the recording like 0313 if that is Bloomington 55420, phone number 952-65-5358. So please reach out. [3:40] You can call me at any time, if there's any questions that you may have. In reference to reference to. [3:49] Licensing processes, and I think there's maybe some confusion and comments that I had made, and I just want to be more clear so people are understanding the situation. Been working through the group group home licensing process, been working on that for about. [4:09] Who hears, and emails with NO replies, not to you, but to the state met with my representatives to let him know that I have. [4:24] All of my researched all my information, who was given this contact information that this would be the person that he would recommend that contact, he's been copied on all of the emails and NO response I believe someone is just so you understand kind of the. [4:44] The box that residents are running into about these types of conversations. I started to copying more people that represent me, so they understood, so I do believe. [4:55] I don't know who had contacted Bloomington staff for me to meet with, I apologize, I don't remember the name, but very constructive conversation went very well. But in the end it's just when we originally started. [5:15] To be hosted at the location. [5:18] Everything was there. We've already thought this through is more of getting him up to speed and and really my concerns in that area is not only is it to the neighborhood, it's really to the detriments of the people that are being served with many of the issues that we're finding. As in staff not trained. [5:39] Drug use, you name it, I mean staff members literally passing out this isn't me, this is in the 911 lease logs, so this is all documented. If you, you know, need that information, I've got all of them and those are my. [5:59] Is that really the most vulnerable among us are not being served. And so I I I just want to reemphasize the position that I'm coming from is not only for the neighborhood, but for the residents they're supposed to be receiving cared. And I I don't. [6:18] Understand how I can see what I see being documented and nothing is being done, and to to the point where. [6:30] You know, my neighbor has not moved. He has left, which then gets me to 2nd point in that, you know, in licensing and so many times in zoning ordinances, we simply say there'll be some licensing. [6:50] Process. We, as we are loosening our R one characteristics and what we are. [6:59] You know, missing metal and many of the other conversations that are taking place. There also has to be some caregiven and some constructive feedback or some constructive controls in place. [7:15] To make sure that it's appropriate for everybody. So, you know, I am in a situation where if you think about, you know, the grid nine houses in the middle, four of the eight houses are in some rental licensing situation. [7:35] One of them being the group home, the other one became being the home that was so mismanaged the other person leaving and now renting it out. So now I have another renter behind me, other is a, so that would be a non owner occupied rental. [7:55] So what is that, what is that licensing process? What does need, what is the feedback for me in being able to approach people if, if there are issues? It's not clearly defined. There are NO definitions of of what is cloud and what is allowed. [8:11] In the house next to me, which is, you know, I didn't have to be very careful there, you know, you have had, as in the city hall has had restraining orders against the individual. [8:28] And he's a frencher, he's a landlorder. So now how is someone with this type of history then allowed to license, you know, to be a land do do these people know what they're getting into? What type of, what kind of, you know. [8:48] Question they want me to. So that's the house next door to me. [8:54] Final 4th and final example is the house and phosphony, non order occuoccupied home that was basically a commercial business where they brought in rented everything out to their crew and they're running at HVAC. [9:12] Operation out of the residency. So, my point being when we're rethinking and reimagining and redreaming, what we want Bloomington two point O to be that we as residents have to be there they're asking me. [9:32] More to it then. [9:33] There's licensing, and that's all I see. And I I get nowhere, and so my point being that we really need to think through these things, there's far more involved than what we're giving credit to. And it's happening. [9:52] In our homes right now. And you're over time because we don't have anybody else sitting out there, but I, and I wanted to hear what you had to say, but and I appreciate it, and I do appreciate the the sentiment that you bring forward also. I mean we there there's what we're trying to accomplish from a housing standpoint, but then there's also our. [10:12] Throughout the city who can be impacted some ways. And so I think we we understand and appreciate that. I don't know if in in your your questions there, if I know you've spoken to our our licensing folks and probably the city manager's office and so on. And I don't know if we've provided any answers. [10:31] To the other than the NO more the more questions that you had, which are good questions, but if there's anything specific about who gets what or how it gets done or anything like that, we can understand via email and, you know. [10:51] You know, he saw me in the hallway and you know verbal conversations just saying, hey, we're doing what we can have you know and you know the you know what what makes me nervous is I'm seeing money interests, right? That we're, we're starting to see. [11:11] At the higher levels of our government, you know, I don't want to say but you know you have lobbyists now at the state which are taking away, you know, our ability to do anything at the local level. And it's, you know, and there's. [11:30] So people are making enough money, they're going to protect that. I can't compete with that. And that's gonna get worse. That's not gonna get better. And I apologize if I'm running over, but I mean those are the things that make me extremely concerned and. [11:50] You know, just weighing the options of is Bloomington long term for me? You know, those those are legitate conversations taking place. And so, you know, I hear you guys talk about your. [12:05] Your models and I, you know, I don't know just Appreciate you coming in today. Question. Yeah just summarizing, I heard four different examples. [12:25] I think they probably each get a little bit of a different treatment depending upon whether it's a city license. Like, I mean I know we've talked about the group home thing before. I struggle with that too, but you know the state, the state took away our licensing capabilities there, right? And so that's a frustrating thing. I think we all shared. I don't want to speak for everybody, but I I do. [12:46] As it relates to operating a business within the with with from our residents I think we have rules in place for that, right? We just need to figure out how to enforce them and then also make it aware for us. I mean how how do how do we reach out? How do we report back? I mean. [13:05] There there's NO visibility to a resident. [13:09] To be able to, come forward and work with the cities. I mean, you know, it's like a lot of people don't like, I mean, listening sessions, I feel comfortable coming to them, but you don't, You never met the people that actually left, right? And they're extremely frustrated and they never came to a listening session and I just kind of told them, I said. [13:29] You know, I got your back. I'll take the heat on that and I'm still, you know, got their back. I'm still, you know, I haven't given up the, you know, you know, so there's many people that. [13:42] Just take it you know what I mean, you know, I'll take it, but you know I wanna have conversations. I want to see constructive moving forward types of things. No, that's ok. The, the 3rd question I have for you all, which maybe a city question is when you have a situation where you have a landlord and you. [14:02] They are. [14:03] License to rent here, but they have a challenging background or they have criminal whatever. Like, do we have any rights there? And and I know I don't expect you to be able to answer that, but that's a different 3rd, that's like a 3rd scenario I hadn't even considered. I don't know if that's I don't know if bad behavior is disqualifying. [14:23] From property rights are very, very hard, hard, hard to overcome. So I completely understand, but I think there's some unique situations right and I use the situation of. [14:43] You know. [14:44] You are protecting your own employees from this individual. I mean, you know, I've been That's why I'm curious. I've been warned this in, you know, as the last person walked out the warning that I got was any just recently bought a gun, so. [15:08] Why don't we do this we'd ask the city manager to to check into that whether or not anything is disqualified and then also I mean, do you have the address where you, where you think there's a business operating out of the home to. [15:18] If you can find the the house number, the address send send it on to me, I'll forward it out of the manager's office, we'll take a look if there's something there. Yeah, it will, I did some deep dives there and is the better business bureau and had flagged them for. [15:40] I mean that and that's all good, but we we do have, Assandro said, we do have requirements and running businesses out of home, so how that all works so be happy to look into that for you. All right. Okay. [16:01] Anyone else looking to speak to the council tonight? Nobody else in the council. I would entertain a motion to adjourn our listening session. [16:17] During our council listening sessions, NO further discussion all in favor, please take your thought by saying. We are attorney downstairs. Thank you.