"THE APRIL 27TH, 2023 MEETING Of The Bloomington Planning Commission. The Planning Commission Is Made Up Of Seven Volunteer Blooming Residents Appointed By The City Council. Tonight We Have Five Which Is A Quorum. The Commission Advises The City Council On Development Proposals Development Standards Long Range Planning And Transportation Issues. Our Work Is Informed By The City'S Comprehensive Plan Various District Plans And The City Code . For Some Items The Commission Makes A Recommendation With The City Council Having Final Decision Making Authority. In Other Cases The Planning Commission Can Approve Deny An Application Subject To Appeal To The City Council. For Each Action Item There Will Be A Staff Report An Opportunity For The Applicant To Present Then Timeor Any Meer Of The Public To Provide Testimony. Our First Order Of Business Tonight Is The Pledge Of Allegiance. Please Stand As You Are Able. I Pledge Allegiance To The Flag Of The United States Of America And To The Republic For Which It Stands One Nation Under God, Indivisible With Liberty And Justice For All. All Right. Tonight We Have Four Items One Public Hearing, Three Study Items. I'D Start Asking T Planning Manar To Share Information On How To Testify Remotely. Truman Commissioners We Have One Public Hearing Tonight. Item One And Just As The Public Can Testify Here In The Chambers, If You'Re Watching From Home, You Can Testify Remotely As Well. What You Would Do Is Call The Number On The Screen And Then Enter In The Access Code And We Will Have This Number Flashing On The Screen Periodically During That Item . Thank You. Thank You. The First Item Is A Public Hearing On Comprehensive Plans ,Text Amendments And I Believe Planner Rama Olsen Has The Staff Report And Here You Go. >> Yes, That'S Your Room. Sorry About That. That'S Okay, Peter. >> Sorry About That. Just Want To Make Sure Tt The Preseation Is You Viewable. Yes, We Can See It. Okay, Terrific. We'Re Seeing Perfect. There We Go. Yes. For That Introduction This Is A Public Hearing For Part To Consider A Comprehensive Plan Amendment And This Is In Response To The 2022 System Statement Issued By The Metropolitan Council Last September In 2022. Yeah, This Is A Summary Of The Proposal. This Is A Cpa Or Comprehensive Plan Amendment To Incorporate Provisions Noted In That System Stement And Also Noted On This Slide Is That The Bulk Of The Revisions Are Focused On Section Four. That'S The Transportation Element Of The Comprehensive Plan. But There Is A Figure In Section Seven That You Need Facilities Section That Was Also Revised To Respond To The 2020 Two System Statement. A Little Bit Of Background. The Metropolitan Council Provides A Definition Of A System Plan. It'S A Long Range Comprehensive So It'S A Suite Of Long Range Comprehensive Plans For The Regional System You See All The Plans That Are Encompassed. It Includes Capital Budgets For Wastewater Services, Transportation And Recreational Options Open Space The System Statement Is This A A Document That Basically Describes Updates To Those System Plans. It'S Specific To Each Community Within The Metropolitan Area It'S Summarizes Those Changes. It'S Prepared By The Met To Help Metro Area Communities Understand Updates To System Plans And It Helps Those Communities Appropriately Revise Their Plan To Be In Compliance With State Statute. I Think It'S Also Worth Noting That The Cpa Or Concept Of A Cpa The Cpa Is Distinct From The Decennial Planning Process . You'Ll Notice That Staff Did Not Do A Wholesale Revision Of The Entire Comp Plan And Even In Those Sections You Know Those Bigger Chunks Of The Comprehensive Plan We Stuck Strictly To What Was Noted In The System Statement We Did Not Veer Off. So Yeah You Know It'S Worth Noting That Some Things Are It Has It It'S Been In Force You Know For A Few Years Now But Some Things Are Out Of Date And For Those Things That Were Noted In The System Say That That'S What We Revised To Bring Up To Date To Reflect The Latest Editions Of The Or Those Latest Versions Of The System Plans. But We Did Not Revise Everything That Was Out Of Date Within The Comprehensive Plan That Wl Be Done In E Next Few Or In The Coming Years When We Read You Know, Do This Whole Decennial Planning Process. So I Just Want To Make That Point. This Is A Timeline Summarizing How We Got To This This Point In Time In 2015 The Council Adopted The 2040 Transportation Policy Policy Plan And The Regional Parks Policy Plan In 2020 That Council Updated Those Two System Plans In 2022 As Was Noted Unlimited Receive It'S A System Stament From That Council Which Obligated It To Incorporate Revisions To Reflect Reflect The System Statements Within Nine Months Which Would Put Us At The End Of Year In 2023 Which You Can See On The Timeline This Table Is Is Is Just Basically A Carbon Copy Of What Was In The Staff Report Summarizing All The Revisions That Staff Made To Bring It In Compliance With The Bring Our Car Plan Within Compliance Compliance With The System Stament. I'M Going To Go Through Everything But It'S There For Your Reference If You'D Like To Go Into More Detail If You'D Like If You Request That We Go Into More Detail And Have To Do That But I'M Just Providing You Here Just To Show You And The Public How Much Of A Change How Many Changes Were Proposed By Staff Summary Of Updates Looking At Section Four A Bigger Theme Was Changing The Project To The Status Of Projects That The Council Highlighted Within Thei Transportation Poly Plan The Latest Iteration. So A Lot Of Things Went From Planned Or Under Construction As Noted In Bloomington'S Comprehensive Plan To Complete And Then The Language Within Those Sections Describing Those Projects Was Was Changed To Reflect The Complete Status. So There Are Very Minor Language Differences Just To Basically The Current Status Of The Projects. Some Of Those Are A List Of Those Are Included On This Slide The Interchange I-49 Borghese Bush Lake Road And New Right Turn Lane At Highway 77 An Old Chuck B Road River Bridge Minnesota River Bridge Replacement The Orange Line And The D Line Which Came Into Operation After The Adoption Of The Comprehensive Plan. So The Comprehensive Plan Is Now Reflecting That Those Transit System Or Those Transit Ways Are In Operation And Otherhanges That Were Made In Addition To The Body Of The Text Of The Comprehensive Plan Were Updates To Maps. >> This Is The Regional Bike Trail Network. I Can'T Remember The Specifics But Your Clip That Nonetheless You'Ll See Clouded On This Image What Those Changes Were So Added Symbology To Show A Tier One Alignment On Portland Avenue They Had A Tierwo Ignment Off To The West Side Of Bloomington So Those Two Changes Were Made To Reflect The The The Original Bike Trail Network At The Top That The Council Has In Place In Their In Their New Transportation Policy Plan. >> And Another Update To Section Four Of The Comprehensive Plan Was A Change Of Funding Status For Specific Transit Based. There Were Two Ways To Describe The Status The Funding Status Of Transit Ways That Was Within An Increased Revenue Scenario Where Projects For Which There Was No Identified Funding But If There Were You Know, These Are The Transit Ways That Would Be Considered For That The Increase In Funding And Then There'S The Current Revenue Scenario Where There Are Projects Identified, They Are Planned And They Have Funding Sources. What Was Updated Was The Johnson Lyndale Arterial Brt Was Added To The Increased Revenue Scenario In The New Transfer Or The Latest Transportation Policy Plan And Also Worth Discussing Or Worth Noting Is American Boulevard Was Reclassified It Was For It'S Still Within The Increased Revenue Scenario But It Was Previously Identified As Consideration For An Arterial Brt But Now It'S A Corridor Under Study And I Believe That Study Will Kick Off Later This Year. So Later 2023 So Those Are Some Other Changes To The Funding Scenarios For For Transit Ways. Another Thing To Know It'S Not About A Huge Revision But Just Bringing The Functional Classic Classification Of Roadways Within The City Up To Date So There'S A There Is A Strip Between Normally Boulevard And Nman Road That Now Identified As A Minor Reliever. This Idea Was Applied To Several Maps So But Nonetheless It Looks Like This It'S Just That Little Tiny Strip Of The Road And Also I Suppose There Was A That'S Worth Noting That There'S Another Map That Reflects The Current Amount Of Lanes Within Its Roadway The Updates To Section Seven Are Focused On One Specific Figure And That'S Figure 7.3. This Is The Recreational Trail Network Within The Within The City I Have Clouded Off To The Left The Cp Rail Trail And Another Regional Trail Surge Corridor Was Added By The Met Council And So This Map Was Updated To Reflect That As Well As Another Portion Of A Regional Regional Trail Surge Corridor Extendingo Theest To I Believe Scott Park In The South The Southwest Corner Of Of The City. So There Are Some Edits Made To This Map To Reflect The The The Current Trail Network And Plans For Other Corridors In That Part Of The City There Is City Staff Sent Out Common Forms To Adjacent Jurisdictions On March 23R Ose Included A Mix Of City School Districts, Regional And State Agencies And Watershed Districts. Thus Far The Cities Only Received Several Responses They Have 60 Days In Order To Comment On The On The Proposed Comprehensive Plan Amendment We Did Receive One Form From Eden Prairie School District This Past Monday. So That'S Not In The Packet For Tonight But Just Want To Bring You Up To Speed On That Latest Comment Form We Received And So Far We Haven'T Received Any Public Comments But Those Are The This Debate Has Been Advertised So It'S Available For Comment By The Public And With That The Recommendation Before The Planning Commission Is Is On The Slide And With That I Can Take Any Questions That You May Have. Thank You For That. Questions For Staff . Okay. Seeing That The City Has Also The Applicant And This Is A Public Hearing I Would Open The Public Hearing Is There Anyone In The Chambers Who Would Like To Testify On The Comprehensive Plan Amendment Proposals? Go Ahead And Come Forward And Sign In On The Sheet For The Record And Introduce Yourself And You'Ve Got 3 Minutes . Good Evening. My Name Is Brian Selig. This Is A Pretty In-Depth Plan . There Seem To Be At Least A Hundred Pages Or More Of Information. I'M Surprised To See I'M The Only One Here But I Guess I Only Have One Comment On What I Saw And That Would Be I A Concern Over The Bike Trails And I Saw A Lot Of By The Way I Saw A Lot Of Very Useful Information In The Report. One Thing I Didn'T See Is Any Kind Of Concern Bicycle Usage Anywhere. Now I May Have Missed It In The 100 Plus Pages But Since That And So I'M Commenting On Section Seven As I Understand It That Would Seem To Be The The Goal Or One Of The Goals Of That Section. One Would Think That There'D Be Some Sort Of Count On You Know, Since I Would Imagine That'S A Significant Cost And In Extending These Trails And So Forth I Would Like To Think That We Would Have Counted Current Bike Traffic Somehow Some Way Even If It Was Just Cameras With A Loop Of Film Looking Looking At Every Movement That Went By Certain Locations. I Am Sort Of Concerned That If We Build It They Will Come As Maybe A Thought Process. I'M Also Concerned On Fundi It. You Knowf You Know I Don'T Know What Percentage Of The Citizens Utilize Bikes To A Large Extent I Mean Other Than Riding, You Know, Half A Mile Or Something Like That But I'M Just Wondering What Percentage Of The City Would Use This And Is There Any Thought Towards Increasing Costs Of Bicycle Licenses And Or If They Even Exist Or How How Will The The Bike Population If We'Re Going To Allocate Any Significant Amount Of Funds Towards This, How Will They Let'S Say Disproportionately Support This Since It'S Primarily For Them? I'Ve Seen Well, I'Ve Encountered A Lot Of Inconvenience Again, Part Of It Is Probably Just Adjusting To What'S Happened On The Roadway. But So Oftentimes You'Re On A A Two Lanes Each Way Street And I Realize That'S Outside Of This Discussion But It Has A Bearing On It And That Is You'Re On A Two Way Two Lanes Each Way. Suddenly It It Cutsown To One Lane Each Way And There'S A Lot Of Chaos At That Point On Any Road That'S Used, Particularly In Rush Hour And So Forth. But Anyway, You'Re Not To Avoid Rambling And I Don'T Have A Prepared Presentation And Those Would Be My Concerns. We Advertised The Trail That Was Put In From Lyndale Avenue East As Bloomington'S Newest Nature Trail And I Used To Go Down There A Lot. There Were Other Animals At Fox Populations They'Re All Gone. I Mean The If The Construction Process Didn'T Destroy It, The Usage Did. Now The Usage Is Probably A Good Thing. Citizens Are Using That Area A Lot More But You Know I, I Would Say It'S Bloomington'S Newest Freeway Not Bloomington'S Newest Nature Center Walk Trail Or Whatever Just Because At Least Particularly By Lyndale Avenue That Area Is So Narrow That Putting A Ten Foot Wide Paved Path Plus A 15 Or 20 Foot Wide On Each Side Took Out Most Of The Area For At Least Three Blocks Which Is Where I Noticed The And The Fox Populations. But Anyway That Would Be A Concern. I Realize This Is Coming From The Met Council So You Know It'S Not Entirely In Your Hands On Changing The Funding Or Anything Like That But I Do Have Concerns That Way. Thank You Very Much. Thank You. Anyone Else Like To Testify On This Item? Is There Anyone Online For This Item? Chai Rohman We Have No One Online For This Item. Thank You. Given That I Would Entertain A Motion To Close The Public Hearing. So Moved. Second, Thank You Of A Motion In The Second To Close The Public Hearing Any Discussion? All Those In Favor Say I. I Opposed The Public Hearing Is Closed. I Would Like To Take A Moment To Offer A Little Bit Of Comment Based On What We Heard. The Comprehensive Plan Is A Very Large Document And Commissioner Korman And I Worked On It When The Plan Was Developed Over About A To 3 Yeareriod. So You'Re Right It Is Long. The Plan Itself Was Adopted By The City In 2018. So While You Are The The Revisions We See They Are Very Focused. The Plan Itself Is Is In Some Ways It'S It'S A Directive But In Many Ways Also It'S A Visionary. So The Planning Manager Can Correct Me If I'M Mistaken But I Don'T Know That The You Know The Plan Sets Out Visions For Types Of Streets, Types Of Bike Corridors Potentially. But Those Are If They Were To Be Built Where They Would Be Built. I Don'T Think It'S That Prescriptive That Those Will Be Built In A Certain Period Of Time. Is That Accurate, General? And That Is Accurate. Okay. So I Think That That Gets To Some Of Those Questions About And As Far As Why There Aren'T Any Specific Details Again If A Certain Corridor Was To Be Converted There Would Be Those Details Would Be Studied. It Would Be Brought To The Planning Commission During An Annual Transportation Plan Or Thing Like That Where I Would Be Up For Conversation. So Those Are The My Observations On Some Of The General Things I Would Say. Personally For Me I Think Nothing In Here Is Is A Big Deal . I Think I Appreciate That The Council Is Updating These Types Of Information On A Regular Basis. Are I Think That I Would Encourage Somehow For The City And If That'S Me As A Planning Commission Member Or Some Sort Of A Communication Back To The Met Council, I Think There'S A Better Way To Incorporate This Information Than Using A Significant Amount Of Staff Time To Amend A Comprehensive Plan Notice That All These Things Have To Go To These Jurisdictions. The Other Jurisdictions Have To Weigh In . We Have A Public Hearing. There'S Nothing Wrong With The Content Of What'S Being Updated But I Think The Process That'S Been Given To Us Is Wholly Overkill For What This Is. So In Some Capacity I Would Like Us To Somehow Get In Again If It'S Just Me That I Can Write A Letter That'S Fine But I Just Think That Therere Ways For The Cityo Adop This Information Receive This Information Which Is Good Information. But As Was Pointed Out By Planner Ramsey Olson Accurately There Are Things In The Comp Plan That Are Have Changed And That'S That'S The Case When You Design A Plan Once Every Ten Years It Does Some Of It Happen. Some Of It Doesn'T. So That'S My Only Observation . It'S Not About The Content. It'S Not About The Good Work Our Staff Has Done. I Just Think That We Ask A Lot Of Our Staff And This Is Probably Not The Highest And Best Use Of Their Time But I Support The Amendments Because We'Re Required To Make Them. Commissioner Cookson Mr. Chair Thanks And If You'Re Going To Write A Letter I'M Happy To Sign It. It'S Funny How Sometimes You'Re On The Exact Same Page As Somebody Else It'S Just Feels Like A Gross Overreaction To What We Have Six People Here In The Council Chambers That Are Staff Members. Mr. Ramer Olson'S On Line I Imine Our Attorney Is On Line. We'Ve Got Eight Staff Members To Draw A Couple Of Shaded Lines In Our Our Comp Plan That'S Not To Devalue The Contents Or To Devalue The Work We'Re Doing Or To Devalue The What It Is. We Heard Good Public Testimony . We Take That Seriously. The Comp Plan As You Mentioned Is Not In Approval Of New Plans. It'S A Visionary Document And To Change To Change These A Few Maps And Put This Much Effort Into It, You Know, I Believe That Municipal Government Is Here To Serve Our Residents. We'Re The Closest Form Of Government To Our People. Right. That'S That'S What Municipal Governments For Is To To Serve Our Residents. And I Don'T Feel Like We Served Our Residents Onhis And Our Residen Paid Taxpayer Dollars For Us To Spend A Lot Of Time Doing Nothing. And It'S It'S Disappointing And I Support That If There'S A Way Whether It'S Our Mayor, Whether It'S Our Planning Department Or Whether It'S You And I, I Think A Message Should Be Sent Back To Whether It'S The Met Council Or The State Or Whatever Had To Do This That This Was Not A Good Use Of Taxpayer Dollars Or Staff Time. Questioner Albrecht Thank You, Chair. I Just Want To Echo What Chair Rohman And Commissior Oktown Haveaid About This . My Other Concern About This Is Sort Of The Public Perception Between What Is In The Council System Statement And What Gets Changed In Our Comprehensive Plan And What Things Are Probably Obsolete Already. The Comprehensive Plan That We Don'T Necessarily Touch When We Do Text Amendments Like This. So It'S Confusing Is What My Response Is At It Partilarly To Folks Who Are Not Planners By Day Or Even Planners By Trade. So That Is Just I Agree With Both The Commissioners On This And Also Willing To Sign Some Sort Of Letter That Goes Out. >> And Again, I Want To I Think I Said This At The Beginning I Want To Be Clear The Work That The Met Council Has Done To Update This Information Is Very Valuable And It'S Very Useful. It'S The Question Of How Do We Receive And Incorporate That Is That That Phase Of The Process Is The Part Where I Had An Observation So I Want To Be Make Sure I'M Clear That It'S Great That The Met Council Does This Periodically And I Think It'S Useful For Us If Anyone Has Any Other Discussion Or Would Like To Entertain A Motion Plan Around Also We May Want To Flip One Slide Back Or Forward Whichever One Has The Language For Us. Commissioner Clifton. Mr. Chair, In Case 2023-34I Move To Recommend Approval Of The Comprehensive Plan Amendment Revising Sections Ur And Seven In Accordance With The 2022 System Statement Issued By The Metropolitan Council In September 2020 To Second Thank You. >> We Have A Motion In A Second To Recommend Approval Of The Current Plan Amendment Any Amendments, Any Further Discussion. All Those In Favor Say I. I Opposed This Item Will Move To The May 22Nd City Council Meeting As A Public Hearing. Thank You. The Next Item Is A Study Item On The City' Neighborhood Transport Traffic Management Plan And We Have Our Esteemed City Engineer Julie Long Here With Ray Hayhurst From Kimberly Horne And I Will Turn It Over To You. All Right. Thank You, Chair Ramon, I Think You Did Most Of The Thing Because I Was Going To Do His Introduction, Introduce Three From Kimberly Horne Who'S Our Consultant Who'S Been Working On Her Neighborhood Traffic Management Plan And It Includes Speed Limits Looking At Traffic Calming And Other Things To Help Improve The Livability Of Our Community. Yeah, Thank You For Having Me Here Tonight And As Julie Mentioned We Have Been Working On The Neighborhood Traffic Management Program Since January And We'D Like To Provide This Commission An Update On The Work That We'Ve Done And The Work Ahead Of Us . So Our Agenda For Tonight'S Presentation We Want To Provide An Overview Of The Project Its Purpose, Its Goals And The Schedule Will Present The Proposed Speed Limits On Local Streets As Well As The Proposed Traffic Calming Request Program. We'Ll Provide A Summary Of The Feedback That We'Ve Heard From The Public Thus Far As Well As How We Will Incorporate Their Feedback Into Future Recommendations. So For Some Background The Neighborhood Traffic Management Program Is Focused On Local Streets In The City. It Does Not Include County Roadways, Arterials And Collectors. And So The Purpose Of This Program Is To Identify Not Only The Safety And Traffic Challenges On Local Streets But Also To Identify The Opportunity Needs To Create Strategies That Improve Safer Safe Neighborhood Mobility. So We Want To Build On The City'S Existing Neighborhood Traffic Programs As Well As Add New Programs That Reflect The City'S Commitment To Safety And Livability Of Its Neighborhoods. And I Want To Emphasize That This Program Is Only One Part Of The City'S Broader Transportation Strategy. We Realize That Local Streets Account For The Overwhelming Majority Of Roadway Mileage. You Know, They They The Local Streets Are Not Necessarily The Busiest Or The Most Well-Traveled Streets Nor Are They Where There Were Nor Are They Where The Greatest Safety Challenges Exist. So We Just Wanted To Acknowledge That Upfront. So Again Really The Purpose Of The Program Is To Strengthen And Integrate The City'S Existing Programs Tonight Will Present Speed Limits On Local Streets As Well As The Traffic Calming Request Program. Again, We'Re Creating A Comprehensive Approach To Manage Traffic Speeds And Improve Safety As Well As Increasing Access For People Not Traveling By Automobile So That People Walking, Biking And Taking Transit And Really Advancing The Goals The City Has Already Set Through Its Active Transportation Plan And Other Initiatives. So We'Ve Identified Six Overall Program Goals. These Goals Are Consistent With The City'S Comprehensive Plans And Existing Initiatives. Those Goals Include Safety, Mobility, Accessibility, Equity, Efficacy And Fiscal Sustainability As Well As Being Clear And Ey To Understand. I Want To Emphasize That Last One Our Goal Is To Develop A Program Processes That Are Easy To Navigate And In A Program That More Community Members Are Aware Of And Can Take Advantage Of And Know Their Benefits. As I'Ll Touch On Later In This Presentation Based On Our Review Of The Existing Traffic Home Request Program That Hasn'T This Hasn'T Been The Case Thus F. So This Slide Shows A Timeline Of The Project. We'Re At The End Of The First Phase We Have Reviewed Existing Programs, Collected Data, Talked To The Community And Presented Our Initial Proposals That Will Present Here Tonight Based On The Feedback That We Received From The Commission As Well As The City Council, We Will Develop Recommendations And Then Incorporate Your Feedback As Well As The Feedback That We'Ve Heard From The Community . We Will Present Those Draft Recommendations To The Community For Another Round Of Public Engagement Before We Come Back To The Commission And The City Council This Summer For With The Final Port. So The First Element Of The Program That I'Ll Touch On Are Proposed Speed Limits On Local Streets So Currently The Existing Speed Limits On Local Streets Is 30 Miles Per Hour Today There Are No Exceptions For School Zones Or Areas With Higher Pedestrian Activity And This The 30 Mile Per Hour Speed Limit Is A Legacy Of The State'S State Statute Which Only Recently Changed In 2019. That Allows Municipalities In Minnesota To Consider Changing Speed Limits On Local Streets. So You Might Have Heard That City Of Minneapolis Saint Paul ,Saint Louis Park, A Diner And Others Have Lowered Speed Limits On Their Local Streets . And So When We Considered Changing Proposed Changes To Speed Limits On Local Streets, We Identified Three Specific Goals. First Goal Is Promote Safer Speeds. We Know Based On Research That Higher Speeds Lead Not Only T More Crashes But They Also Lead To Greater Crash Severity Especially For Vulnerable Road Users Such As Pedestrians, Elderly And Young Children. So With That In Mind We Want To Set Speed Limits That Promote Safer Speeds But We Recognize That Just Changing The Speed Limit Alone Won'T Automatically, You Know, Change Driver Behavior Really That Change In The Speed Limit Needs To Be Accompanied By Traffic Calming Education And Targeted Enforcement Strategies. The Second Goal Is To Maintain Consistency. As I Mentioned Before, Other Communities Adjacent To Bloomington Have Lowered Their Speed Limits On Local Streets And So When We Consider Changes Here In The Cityo Local Local Street Speed Limits, We Want To Maintain Some Level Of Consistency Because We Know From Many Drivers Across The Multiple Communities In A Given Day A Given Trip And So Having A Consistent Speed Limit, You Know, Kind Of Leads To Greater Voluntary Compliance. And Third, We Want To Set Reasonable Expectations Based On The Data That The City Has Collected At Most But Not Certainly Not All Drivers On Local Streets Are Traveling Below The 30 Miles Per Hour Local Streets. So We Know Other Communities In The Metro Area Have Lowered Speed Limits On Local Streets To 20 Miles Per Hour. That Is Something That We Considered. But Ultimately Given The Conditions On Loop That Many Of Bloomington'S Local Streets Where There'S Perhaps Less On Street Parking Wider Right Away Different Block Lengths 20 Miles Per Hour Would Have Been Perhaps The Speed Limit That Would Be Unreasonable To Most Drive And Would Not Lead To Voluntary Compliance. So We Want To Find We Want To Set Speed Limits At A Level So That Most People Voluntarily Comply With And Then For You Know And Then For The Remaining Percentage Of People Who Don'T, You Know, Comply With That Speed Limit Using Other Strategies Such As Traffic Calming And Targete Enrcement To Bri More People Into Compliance . So Our Proposal Is A Statutory 25 Mile Per Hour Speed Limit For All Local Streets That'S Shown In Blue On The Map With Consideration For A Lower Speed Limit In School Zones . That Consideration Is For A Posted 20 Mile Per Hour Speed Limit On Larger Streets Around Both Public And Private Charter Schools During Arrival And Dismissal Periods We Would What We Would Propose Evaluating Straight Streets On A Case By Case Basis In Partnership With Schools Including The Bloomington Public Schools As Well As Hennepin County As We Recognize That Many Larger Streets Around Schoolsn The City A Owned By The County So France By Jefferson Or Chuck B And Nicollet By Kennedy As An Example. And So We Want To Have Those Conversations With The Schools And With The County And Not Have A Blanket One Size Fits All Approach School Zone Speed Limits As Part Of That As Part Of This Proposal We Would Consider Updating The Safer If The School District Wide Plan For K Through Eight Public Schools Recognizing That Any Proposed Changes To Speed Limits In School Zones Should Also Be Accompanied By Other Strategies Engineering Enforcement Education . The Next Element Of The Program That I'Ll Touch On Is The Traffic Calming Request Program. The Cy Currently Has A Existing Multi-Step Uh Resident Initiated Traffic Calming Request Program And This Is For Again Local Streets In The City. It Begins With A Petition By Residents And An Application With A Petitionupporting An Apication To The City Staff. In Summary, City Staff Reviews And Scores The Project Data Is Collected On Where The Applicant Application Is For Based On The Data Collected If There'S A Demonstrated Speeding Issue There Would Be Community Engagement Around A Potential Project Staff Would Make A Recommendation A Traffic Calming Device Subject To Approval By Planning Commission And City Council Before Final Cost Estimates Are Are Developed And The Project Is Put Out To Bid For Construction And Those Existing Traffic Calming Options. There Are Many In The City'S Toolbox The Most The Options That You'Ll Most Likely See Are Speed Humps, Neighborhood Traffic Circles As Well As Bulb Outs. So Based On Our Of The Existing Program As Well As A Scan Of Best Practices For Other Municipal Traffic Calming Request Programs, We'Ve Identified The Following Specific Goals For Any Changes To T Program. First Off, We Want To Maintain The City'S Commitment To Improving Quality Of Life By Addressing Persistent Traffic Issues. We Want To Simplify The Existing Multi-Step Process And Make It Clear And Easy For Residents To Understand And To Participate In As That As We Have Identified That Is Has No Been The Cas As Very Few Traffic Calming Requests Have Been Applications Have Been Submitted And Very Few Have Been Constructed In What Ten, Ten Years? Yeah. Additionally We Want To Provide Sufficient Off Ramps In The Process And I'Ll Touch On That Later. Elaborate On What I Mean By Off Ramps We Want To Use Screening Criteria That Reflects The City'S Priorities As It Relates To Safety, Mobility And Access And Equity . We Want To Streamline The Larger Of Toolboxes That The City Has Identified And Really Options That The City Has Experience Building And That Are Proven Counter Measures To, You Know, Reduce Crashes And Reduce Crash Severity By Reducing Speeds. We Want To Provide Trial Options For Traffic Calming So Being Able To Test Ideas This Has Been Done Recently As Part Of Pavement Management Program But Being Able To Test Certain Traffic Calming Options Get Feedback And Based On That Feedback, Refine The Design And Perhaps Make The Investment In A More Permanent Permanent Fully Built Out Traffic Calming Treatment. And Then Lastly, You Know We Want To Continue To Use City Resources To Manage The Program And Not Create A Burden On Staff Resources And Taxpayer Taxpayer Funds. And Lastly, A Goal We Identified Was Looking For A Alternative Funding Source. The Current Funding Source For The Traffic Calming Request Program Is A Special Tax Assessment And We'Ve Identified That As A Potential Barrier For Some Residents To Participate In The Program. Many Other Municipal Several Other Municipalities Have Gone Away From Special Tax Assessments For Traffic Calming Treatments They'Ve They'Ve Used More General Funds To Pay For Traffic Calming. So What That Lks Like Is A More Hopefully As You See It A More Streamlined Process That Is So Cyclical In Nature Will Highlight The Key The Key Difference Being The Public Request And The Request Screening Step In The Very Beginning. So Currently Staff Receives Applications From Residents On A One By One Basis And Kind Of Has To Make A Determination And Prioritize Just Based On Seeing One Application What We Think Will Work Better Is Having A More Of A Set Rolling Period Where City Staff Receives Multiple Requests Say Over Several Weeks Or Months And They'Re Able To Prioritize Requests Based On Established Screening Criteria. The Benefit Of This Cycle Is To Make It More Predictable, More Transparent And Allow Staff Prioritize And Perhaps Efficiently Use Resources In The Process Has Several Off Ramps One Of Which Is Related To The Public. So If Staff Receives A Request And It'S Deemed A Immediate Safety Issue. That'S An Off Rampor, You Ow, City Staff To Consider Other Interventions Not Necessarily Traffic Calming To Address Kind Of Immediate Safety Issues. Traffic Signals Out Pavement Condition Is So Bad That It'S Causing Safety Hazards For All Users Stuff Like That. Another Off Ramp Is Related To Step Two. So You Know Based On The Screening Of Applications, If An Application Is Does Not Score Highly Based On The Set Criteria That Request Is Not Advanced Forward But Could Be Considered In Future Rounds Of Of The Process. Other Off Ramps Include You Know If Staff Collects Speed Counts And Collects More Data And Determines That There Is No Immediate Issue, You Know, There'S No Speeding Or The Issue At Hand Cannot Necessarily Be Addressed By This Program And That Application That Request Wouldn'T Necessarily Be Advanced Forward. And Then Lastly Obviously The Approval Process If It'S That Brings A Project Forward To The Planning Commission And City Council And There'S Perhaps No Consensus Among Among The Community Or This Body And The City Council Doesn'T Feel Like It'S A Good Project That'S Also An Off Ramp In The Process. Another Benefit Of The Proposed Traffic Calming Request Program Is It'S The Ability To Kind Of Inform And Feed Into The City'S Pavement Management Program Process. What That Looks Like In Practice Informing The City'S Existing Pmp Look Ahead Neighborhood Meeting Where City Staff Discusses Issues Kind Of The Spring In The Year Before Implementation. It Also Allows An Opportunity To Do More To Test With Traffic Coming Projects Test You Know Certain Traffic Calming Treatments The Year Before Construction. So An Opportunity Get Feedback From The Community On A Certain Treatment Might Look Like And Also Know Based On That Feedback Adapt And Refine Or Perhaps Not Even Advance A Project And Again The Proposed Traffic Coming Request Program Would Be For Local Streets And That Would Include Streets With Planned Construction. So Either The Capital Improvement Program Or The Pmp Streets That Would Not Be Eligible Would Be Non Local Streets Streets With Active Construction Or Cul De Sacs Or Short Street Segments. This Slide Shows The Screening Criteria That I Mentioned I Won'T Go Into Much Detail But It It Allows City Staff To Prioritize Requests Where Community And Transportation Needs Are Greatest And It'S An Opportunity For The City To Be Very Transparent About The That They'Re Using In The Process. So The Proposed Criteria Would Know Include Would Be Related To Equity Community Destinations People So Kind Of Prioritizing Requests That Perhaps Have The Greatest Benefit For The Most Amount Of People So Kind Of Looking At Residential Land Uses And Residential Density As A As A Proxy. Also Want To Look At Safety And Experience As Well As Existing Traffic Volumes. I'Ll Note That Additional Data Such As Speed Countsnd Turning Movements Would Be Collected Later In The Process . So We'Ve The Toolbox Of Traffic Calming Options Into Two Tiers Of First Tier Would Include Extensions Neighborhood Traffic Circles And Then Vertical Devices. So That'S Speed Tables, Speed Cushions And Speed Humps And For All Of Those Options That Would Include Both Trial And Permanent Treatments. The Second Tier Of Options Would Be For Requests Kind Of Routed Through Pavement Management Program And That Would Include Chicane And Partial Closures Divert Ers And Chokers. All These Options Are Kind Of A Sp Above Iterms Ofngineering Complexity And Construct Ability And Each Of These Options Kind Of Especially Partial Closures And Divert Really Requires A Broader Study Of Adjacent Transportation Network As It Greatly Would Impact Not Greatly It Would Impact Traffic Within A Given Neighborhood. So Some Consideration For These Traffic Calming Options That We'Re Looking At Can Really Be Classified Into Three Buckets. So Kind Of Effectiveness How How Effective Is The Traffic Calming Device At Reducing Speeds, Reducing Number Of Crashes And Reducing Crash Severity? The Second Bucket Is Related To Costs So Only Capital Construction Costs But Also The For Life Cycle Costs Of Operations And Maintenance Which Leads To The Third Third Bucket Of You Know Considering The Ease Of Use And Other Impacts Of A Given Traffic Coming Option. So That'S Related To Maintenance. Ada Accessibility, Any Potential Impacts On Bicyclists And Pedestrians As Well As Environmental Impacts . I Think It'S Important To Note With Each Of These Traffic Coming Up Options It Really Matters On Context And You Know Each Of Them In Themselves Are Good Tools For Very Specific Problems So As We Advance In This With This Program We Will Provide Greater Details For Each Of The Options So That It'S Not Only Crystal Clear For For Staff And City Leadership But Also For The Public To Understand Some Of The Benefits And Considerations And When Certain Tools Are Appropriate For Certain Situations. So Again, Making It Clear And Easy Easier For For People To Understand What The City Is Doing And What Options Are Available. All Right. And Then I Want To Wrap It Up With A Summary Of What We'Ve Heard Thus Far From From The Public And Stakeholders So We'Ve Held Of A We Held A Virtual Open House Last Month On March 29Th And We Have Held Three Separate Pop Up Events One At The Winter Farmers Market, Another At Kennedy High School And One Last Week At South Gate Apartments. In Addition We'Ve Had A Interactive Map And Online Survey Posted To The Project Website On Let'S Talk Bloomington Platform. And So What We'Ve Heard So Far Is Kind Of Three Common Themes. The First Being Of Limited Awarens Of The Existing Traffic Calming Program Many People No Idea That Such A Program Exists. The Second Thing That We Heard And This Is Perhaps Not Surprising To You All Is The Importance Of Safety Near Schools And, The Safety Of Our Most Vulnerable Road Users, The Really The Most Vulnerable People In The Community. Our Kids. And Lastly We Heard Specific Safety Concerns In The Neighborhoods But Also Non-Local Streets. So Outside The Purview Of This Program But Think It'S Important To Notehat A Lot Of People'S Safety Concerns Are On Busier Non-Local Streets. So We Want To Acknowledge, You Know What We'Ve Heard And From The Community. So Again, We'Ll Incorporate Key Themes, Specific Feedback Into Our Recommendations And We'Ll Discuss These Recommendations With The Public And Stakeholders Based On Kind Of Who We We Heard From Thus Far And Who We Want And Who We Haven'T Hrd From. Weant To Refine Our Public Engagement Approach And And Reach A Greater Across Segment Of Of The Community So Again We'Ll Have Update Project Website Updated Survey An Interactive Map With Open Houses And Pop Up Events . And Yeah And Just A Recap Of After We Have Heard From The Community We Will Refine Our Draft Recommendations And Present Them To The Planning Commission Later This Summer. And With That I'Ll Take Questions. Okay. So This Is A Study Item So Staff And The Consultant Are Looking For Thoughts And Feedback On Some Of The Concepts That Are In Place. I Will Say I Don'T Know But Others I Did Participate The Virtual On House It Was You Know I Think It Was Well Received And Kirk Roberts Is Not Here But He Was Part Of That And The Staff Did Really And The Consultant Did A Really Nice Job With That. So Any Observations Or Discussion? Christopher Albrecht Thank You Chair. I Just Have A Question Based On The Experience Of Minneapolis And Saint Paul And Some Of The Other That You'Ve Listed On Reducing Or Having Citywide Speed Limit. What Has Been The Successes Challenges With That In Those Cities And Are We Are Those Being Incorporated Into What We'Re Considering? Yes. I Should Mention That My Firm Can Only Horn We Helped Send In In Minneapolis With Their Reduction Of Speed Limits On Local. So We'Re Very Familiar With Some Of The Challenges And Some Of The Successes That They'Ve Had. One Of The Challenges That They'Ve Had On Reducing Speed Limits On Kind Of Larger Streets Was The Need To Read Time Traffic Signals That Kind Of Match Up With The Newer Lower Speed Limit. Another Challenge That They'Ve Had Is Compliance While They'Re Streets Are Generally Narrower And There'S More Parked Cars They The 20 Mile Per Hour Sed Limit Is Perhapset To For For What Is Realistically Or What Most Drivers Would Find Acceptable And So That The Issue Of Voluntary Compliance I'M Sorry It Is And It Is An Issue And So I Think We Just Caution It 20 Miles Per Hour Would Probably Set Unreasonable Expectations Especially In Bloomington Where You Know ,A Lot Of The Streets Were Built Later Typically Water And Many Residential Neighborhoods Have In Properties Have Driveways. So Less On Street Parking So The Streets Themselves Feel Wider And More Drivers Have Different Expectations Of What Is Acceptable Speed. I So My Initial Feedback In Response The Difference Between Minneapolis St Paul'S It Was Park And Bloomington Is As An Avid Walker Of My Neighborhood That Does Not Have Sidewalks Which We Have Talked About Multiple Times The Increased Speed Of Vehicles Which I Understand And Because When I'M Driving Mean So Driving Those Know Speed Limits Makes It Less Comfortable To Walk And The Only Place To Walk Is In The Street. So I Don'T Really Know. Thatas Just My Initial Thoughtas I Understand That The Compliance Is A Is A Big Issue But I Do Think That There Are We Do Have Some Issues On Where Our Community Folks Can Walk In Terms Of Neighborhoods In Our City. Questioner Gretchen, Thank You, Mr. Chair. Mr. Hayhurst, Do You Have Or Does Cami Horn Very Large Company Do You Have Experience With The Reduction And Speed Limit Of Communities That Look Like Bloomington Suburban Larger Streets And Not Citywide But We Have Done Lowered Speed Limits And In Other Municipalities Around The Country. >> So Anecdotally With Our Wider Streets And The Chance Of Success At 25 Miles Per Hour Do, You Find That To Be A Reasonable Limit That That Could Be Followed Or Our Streets. So Why That Eve 25 Is Going To Be Too Low And People Are Just Are Not Going To Follow That Do You Have Any Anecdotally Based On That The Data That City Staff Has Collected Specifically? Kirk Roberts We Think 25 Miles Per Hour Is Reasonable Based On The Speeds That We'Re Seeing Today For. The Majority Of Drivers We Think 25 Miles Per Hour Will Lead To A You Know, Voluntary Compliance At Ancceptable Level. Thank You. If I'M If I May Again, I'M An Analytical Engineer Myself And I'M Curious Do You Have Any Analytics On Crash Data Pedestrian Safety Etc.? Is There Any Analytics To Me That Just Hasn'T Ahead Of Time By Minneapolis Or Saint Paul Or Whatever That Has Enactment Of These Changes? Is There Any Analytics I Can See Whether It'S Working Or It Hasn'T Had That Big Of An Impact Or Do We Have Any Data On That? Yes There There Is Research That Julie And I Can Certainly Provide Of . It'S Been Primarily Communities That Have Lowered Their Speed Limits. So For Example The City Of Boston Which Is Definitely Not A Pure Community Of Bloomington There'S Been Recent Research I Believe The Minnesota Local Yeah Commissioner Curtin The Local Road Research Board Which Is Funded From Part Of The Minnesota Gas Taxesecently Is In The Pcess Of Completing A Study Of The Lowered Speed Limits In Minneapolis And Saint Paul And Is Showing That They'Re Not Meeting The Effective Goals That They Were To. But We Can Provide You A Copy Of That Report Once It'S Released. I Don'T It'S Technically Been Released Yet But We Also Have A Report From The Lrb That'S Our Favorite Acronym For Local Road Research Board About Speed Limits In School Zones. So They'Re Doing A Lot Of The Same Research Because A Lot Of The Communities In Our Area Are Having The Same Questions Soe Can G Your Copies Of Both Of Those. The Want The School District One Is Out The School On I Think That Data Is Really Important. I Don'T Know Maybe I'M I Don'T Know If There'S Going To Be A Whole Lot Argument On Reducing The Speeds In School Zones. That'S A Very Practical Thing Provide Protection There. But As Far As A Citywide Thing Goes I Don'T Know. And So For Me Making This Recommendation To Council Data Will Be Very Important And I'M Hoping That We Don'T Take Action On This As A City Until Their Report Is Finalized And If If The Data Is Showing There Is There'S No Difference And We'Re Going To Spend Millions Of Dollars Retiring Our Streetlights. I Don'T Think We'Re Doing Our Residents A Service In That Case If There Is A Reduction And In A Crash Injuries, Etc. That'S Important For Not To. I See A Graph Is A Period Here If This Was A Graph Prepared By By Kirk Roberts Yes. Like You Commissioner Kirkland Were Geeks And We Liked Data So We Actually Did Do Some Speed Analysis Of Our Bloomington Roads And You Can See The Scatter Plots Of What Speed Limit Compliance We'Re Seeing. So 30 Miles An Hour Is Where The Line Is Drawn Across. You Can'T Probably See The Next Two Tic Marks But The Middle Is 25 Miles An Hour And The Bottom One Is 20. And So You Can See That We Have A Lot Of People That Are Already Doing That. 25 In Our Neighborhoods So We Think With Some Education Some Limited Enforcement Will Be Able To Get Those Peopleo Drop Into Compliance That'S A Better Graphic You. So We Think That'S Achievable So We Think We'Re Going To Be Able To Get That Voluntary Compliance On Our Streets And With Some Education And Outreach Be Able To Move People And The Needle If We Put It Down To 20 We'Re Going To Have A Lot Of People Who Are No Longer In Voluntary Compliance And We Think That'S Going To Be A Hard Bar To Achieve. So We'Re Trying To Balance The Safety Of Pestrians Walking On The Streets Versus Compliance In Making It Work For All. So We Thought 25 Miles An Hour Was A Great First Step. So Maybe We Implemented At 25 Citywide And In Ten Years We Revisit It And Think Oh It Can Go Down To 20 Now Because People Are Slowing Down Even Further. We Know But We Want To Continue To Monitor And Take The Data And I Would Again Ask The Question I Was Thinking Is Is What What Data Have We Seen The Places That Have Done It? I Think What Will Be Interesting And Maybe Not As Satisfying For Us If That Study Is Largely Focused On Experiences In Minneapolis Saint Paul Which Have Done This For Longer Echoing On What Commissioner Albrecht Has Said, You Know The Conflict Points In Those Cities As Likely At Intersections For Pedestrians And Vehicles Whereas In Bloomington Those Conflict Points Are In Most Areas The Entire Roadway Because Of The Lack Of Sidewalks So I Think Not To Dismiss The Data That May Be In There But I Think You May Not Be As Helpful To Us In All Areas As It Might Be In Other Areas But I Think It'S Good To Know And I Think You'Re Having Data Before We Go On Our Gut Is It'S Helpful. It'S More Defensible. It'S Easier To Explain, Michel. But I Think You Chair Another Question Is Much Does It Cost To Go Down Five Miles An Hour For Our City Itould Beosting The Signs As You Come Into The Community And Then Kirk And I Have Been Discussing All Of Those Signs Create Confusion Because They'Re Most Often Posted On Collectors And Arterials And So There'S A Sign Right Behind It With A Different Message. We Haven'T Quite Figured Out What To Do Differently With That So Probably About $75,000 For New Signs Because We Have A Lot Of Different Roads As You Enter Into The Community But We Would Not Hav To Post Every Street. Sure I Just Doing It At The Entry Points And That'S Allowed By State Statute. Sure. I Guess My Thought It Is And I Know That I Can Contradicting What I Said Earlier Is That But Based On This Graph Alone I'M Not Sure I Mean I'M Not Sure If The Goal Is To Get To 20 Then Yes I Think Going Down Incrementally Makes A Lot Sense But If We Hav Sort Of Voltary Comply It'S In That 25 Already And Most People Are Going Either 25 Or Less Then I Don'T Know If We Necessarily Need To Spend $75,000 To To Do It. I Guess That Would Be My Feedback On It. Commissioner Korman Thank You. I'M Just Curious With The Slide Where You Had For Speed Limits In School You Have The Flashing The 20 Speed Limit Flash When They Want That This Is You Know Speed Limit 20 When Flashing. So Is That How It'S Going To Look Like? It May Not Look Exactly Like That But Ray Will Indicate He Has A Study That Says They Most Effective When They Are Done By Flashing And Not By Times. I Don'T Have Kids. I Don'T Know What Time School Starts Elementary Versus Middle School I Don'T Know So As A Driver You Need To Tell Me Something I'M Happy To Slow Down But I Don'T Know What To Say When To Slow Down So When It'S Flashing That'S Clear Because I Think It'S It Will Be Really, Really Important To Make That Message Really Clear To The Residents Like You Have Expressed In Your Presentation. You Know The Most Vulnerable People That We Have In Our Community Who Are Also Very Valuable It'S Our Kids And So It Is Very Important That We Make Sure, You Know, Regardless Of Where We End Up Going With The Speed Limit In In Streets That In Those Streets Where The Schools Are That It Definitely Should Go Down And That And That Is Very Clear For People That That Lights There'S Going To Be Kids. So I Don'T Know If That Will Be Possibleecause When I Saw This I Was Like Oh This Is Great. You Know We Should Be Having More Lights All Around The City With This When We Have Kids Moving Much In Not Only The Schools But Like The Stadium, You Know That That'S A Pretty Busy Area Too. And So I Am I Want To Say Thank You For For For This Work. I Think It'S Very Important It'S Been Expressed By Several Members In The Community Throughout The Years Many Times You Know There'S There'S Been Requests To To The City For Specific Areas And Schools And I Know That One Of Those Speed Limits I Don'T Know How You Call Them Those Temporary Ones And What Are They Called? Well, You Know, When When You Try To Do The Study That You Puthis One Thing With The Number As You'Re Driving And It Shows You What Your Speed Is A Speed Trailer Then Okay. So Sometimes The City Will Put Those In There To Kind Of See And Steady In Really Determine If It'S True That People Are Going Fast But Obviously When Those Are Put In There People Slow Down But Then When Once That Is Removed They Back The Same Correct. Now The Other Issue Is In Schools Like For Example Hillcrest Community School There Are Cars Coming From Like A Street Like For Example Vincent Where There'S A Quick Left Turn And There'S No Like Speed Pump In There They Go Really Fast Into That And It'S Really Hard I Think For Some People To Really See That In Fact. There Is A School There That There'S Going To Be A Lot Of Kids And There'S No Sidewalks In That Area So That'S A Super Dangerous Thing. So My Is That You Know To Really As You Continue To Work In That Partnership With The School District To Really Look Into All That Different Things Besides The School You Know What Else Can We Do Make Sure That We Are Protecting Our Kids In Winter. It'S Another Issue. You Know When It Gets So Slippery, When It Gets So Icy And Then You'Re Making Those Turns And The Kids Are Right There Coming Out Of A Of A Specific Corner Or Or Into The Street And Or They Have Nowhere To Walk Because Of The Amount Of Snow Sometimes. I Mean Bloomington That'S A Wonderful Job But Keeping The Streets Clean I Obviously That'S True But Still You Know, It'S Weather And So I Do Appreciate What What You'Re Going To Do Here And I Do Appreciate That Bringing Down That Process Time You Know, In Working With The Community To Avoid Some Of Those Long Processes Then Maybe Sometimes They Don'T Even Get You To Do Something Different For Specific Streets. So Yeah. Thank You Commissioner Cochrane Thank You Mr. Chair. Just To Follow Up Again On The Cost Thing We Talked Aut 75,000 For Signs Wtever We Have To Redo A Traffic Signal . It'S Shockingly Expensive For Redoing Something That Seems Like It'D Be A Couple Of Clicks If You'D Done An Analysis Approximately The Only Signals Would Have To Be Redone At This Time Were Only Proposing Local Street Speed Limit Changes. We'Re Not We'Re Still Working On The Collector And Arterial And We'Re Getting A Lot Of Comments On Those But We'Re Not Ready To Present That To The Public And That'S Good Feedback On How Many Signals We Will Need To Re Time We Have Bloomington Operates 121 Signals Now Not All Of Those Are In Our Jurisdiction And Some Of Those Are Up Serving In Terminal Two Of The Airport. So Those Would Not All To Be Re Timed But There Would Be Significant Number That Would Need To Be Re Timed. The Hennepin County Ones Be Need To But When We Come Back With The Next Phase For Speed Limits On Arterials And Collectors We Can Have That Information. >> May I Ask Why It'S So Expensive To Re Time A Stree Signal T Re Timing Of The Street Signal Is Not Usually That Expensive It'S Probably 5 To $7000 At Staff Time And Running All The Different Trials And Making Sure The Computer Program You Don'T Have A Bug In It Because You Don'T Want To Put A Bug Out In The Street. The Issue Is Often When We Re Timing Them We'Re Also Upgrading Controller Because We Haven'T Upgraded The Controller Since 1950 And So The New Electronics Are Expensive And So The That Is The Physical Hardware Is Probably Theore Expensive Component Of It. A Lot Of Our Signals Don'T Have The Flashing Yellow Arrow Arrows. They Don'T Have The Ability For It To Be Plugged In Like There'S Nothing In The Cabinet So It Needs A New Cabinet. You Need A New Controller. It'S All Of Those Extra Add Ons That Are Probably The Costs That Seeing. Thank You. Commissioner Korman Yeah. Just One More Thing That I Wanted To Mention Regarding Education. You Mentioned Education And That'S A Really Point You Know Educating Once Again The Community Reminderf Where We Ne To Be Especially You Know When We'Re Talking About Those School Areas And Not Only That But Also As You Work Together With The School District Education For Our Own Kids And In Education Even To Our Parents Who Are The Ones Dropping Off Kids At A Certain Time. So There'S More Traffic And And Even Staff So Very Important In Especially You Know When Those With Those With The The Stops With The Bu Stop In Then The Side You Know There'S Times Many Times When People Just Keep Driving And So Education Is Really Important. So Thank You For Working On This. You Know, I Think We Talk About, You Know, The Cost Of Signs And Whatnot But There'S A Certain Percentage Of Signs That Get Replaced Just Because They'Re Lifecycle Has Worn Out And Sometimes We Stretch That A Little Longer Than Is Optimal Because Of Budget Or Whatever But You Know, I Think It'S Good To Have Those Data But I Also Think That Sometimes The Right Thg Is The Rig Thing And We'Ll See What The Numbers Tell Us. Other Feedback For Staff Anything Else You Need From Us As You Get Good Good Information Or At Least Useful ? I Think So. Thank You Look Seeing What Comes Next. Thank You. Item Three Is To Consider Previous Meeting Synopsis Adoption And The First One Document Up Here Is From March 9Th And On March 9Th Commissioners Korman And Albrecht Were Not Here So I Would Look For A Motion On That Item . Mr. Schurz Just Confirming It Seems To Come Up A Lot But Do We Have The Appropriate Number Of People To Vote On This Item? We Do. They Were Five Present And It Would Require A Vote Of Three And That Leaves Three Of Us And I Wou Like To Move Forward The Draft Minutes For March 9Th, 2023. So There'S A Motion In The Second To Adopt The Planning Commission Synopsis From March 9Th. Any Discussion All Those In Favor Say I I Opposed Abstain Abstain The Motion Passes. The Next Item Is The March 23Rd Meeting Synopsis And Commissioners Albrecht And Abdi Were Not Present. I Would Look For A Motion On That One So Moved I Second Your Motion In A Second To Adopt The March 23Rd Meeting Synopsis And Any Discussion All Those In Favor Say I I Opposed The Staying Abstain Motion Passes Item Number Four Is The Planning Commission Policy And Issue Update I'Ll Start With The Planning Manager Truman And Commissioners. Our Next Meeting Is In Two Weeks May 11Th We Have One Item On That Agenda And It Is A Privately Initiated City Code Text Amendment To Allow K-Rough-12 Schoo As A Conditional Use In The I To Zoning District And Then In Four Weeks May 25Th We Just Have One Item On That Agenda As Well And That Is A City Initiated Ordinance Granting Exceptions To Operating Hours Of Mobile Food Units Also Known As Food Trucks Located Within 250 Feet Of Residents All Zoning Districts And That What We He Coming Up. Al Right. And My Calendar May Be Wrong But Was There One On May 18Th That We'Ve Canceled Or That Was Not On My Calendar May Just Be Wrong. All Right. We'Ll Just Go With That. I'M Wrong And You Make A Note Of That A Rare Thing All Of It Other Items I Would Personally Make A Note For Anyone Who Is Again The Running The Three People Who Are Watching Or If You Know People We Do Have Openings For Three Seats On The Planning Commission Applications Are Being Accepted Through May 7Th Which I Believe Is A Week From Monday So We Might Know Ten Days. This Is A Great Opportunity For Anyone Who'S Interested In Being Involved In The Community. There Are Two Three Year Seats And One Two Year Vacancy And Those Applications Are Due The Seventh I Know Interviews Are Coming In In I Believe Those Will Terms Will Begin In July . So That'S My Own Personal Blog For Anyone Who'S Interested Thinks They Might Be Interested Get In Touch With Staff. There'S Information On The Website And I Think Anyone Who'S On T Commission Wld Be Hap To Chat With Anyone Who Would Like To Know More Other Items For The Good Of The Order Seeing None Then We Are Adjourned May 11Th"