[0:28] e [0:58] e [1:28] e [1:58] e [2:28] e [2:58] e [3:28] e [3:58] e [4:28] e [4:58] e [5:28] e [5:58] e [6:28] e [6:58] e e [7:42] thank you so much for coming out this evening I Dr K I'm a superintendent of this wonderful District here as school [7:49] and I thank all of you for taking time to come out find the information we really need your voice on this this is [7:55] just a starting point there no final decisions on anything has been made so I [8:01] really appreciate you coming out and putting your voice in the room so I also want to welcome our school board chair [8:08] uh Tanya Prince is here as well and we have several Administration team here [8:13] cabinet members here I think that's the only board member okay so we'll go ahead [8:20] and get started so today we're going to have a lot of information to share for you so you're going to come and you're [8:26] going to leave and probably have more information that you have in p and you probably end up honestly having more [8:32] questions as well so that's okay we have several ways that we be able to get more [8:37] information and to continue to put your voice in ground so the main thing I just want to let you know is a superintendent [8:43] once again no final decisions made we need all of your input to do what's best [8:49] for I call babies just mind you sending us your precious people but our Scholars [8:55] so we have a lot to cover this evening and you probably see up on the slid so once again we just want to share a [9:01] little bit about our school district here what is an attendance boundary what is that actually in town why do we need [9:08] to change attendance boundaries what is that process that timeline or when we that occur the parameters used to form [9:15] that where did that come from we just pull them out of the sky having that come about uh the proposed scenario and [9:21] details surrounding them what exactly is the transition plan for our young scholars and it is of course the [9:27] opportunity for you to me together to give us your input and your thoughts on [9:33] um the first round of potential scenarios so o schools this is my second [9:40] year as o schools as a superintendent and one of my goals when I came in is that I wanted to ensure that we are a [9:47] very large District but I wanted to assure that we are one Community for all [9:52] our goal is not to just help one geographic area but it's to help all [9:57] areas and it's also point to me personally and our goal of the district is to ensure all places [10:04] have value in the earth so you hear that said quite a few quite a bit so all [10:09] voices value and heard what exactly does that mean for o area schools it means that all of our stakeholders that means [10:16] our students and our staff and our parents and caregivers and our community members all play an important part in [10:22] this district and we acknowledge that so you should feel seen and appreciated as [10:27] a part as part of a your school district whether it's today whether it's tomorrow or 5 weeks from now we want you to [10:34] understand that you are important to us as a district so another foundational tool that we use here in a in uh schools [10:42] is a concept called holding space and what holding space is another way that we go about seeing how everyone is [10:48] valued and heard and I know you all know how to read but I'll just say it quickly so what is holding space so holding [10:54] space means that we're willing to walk alongside another person in whatever Journey they're on without judging them [11:01] making them feel that inadequate trying to fix them or trying to impact the outcome when we hold space for other [11:08] people we open our hearts offer unconditional support and we let go of judgments and judgment and control so we [11:15] are very transparent with us through this attendance boundary process so tonight we're going to enter into [11:21] holding space for each other there's no such thing as a wrong answer there's no such thing as a wrong question you are [11:27] able to come into your authentic self we know that it's could be emotionally charged we do want respect to be in the [11:33] room but please don't worry about your thoughts of how your thinking doesn't [11:38] agree with someone else at the table we need to hear all voices I'm totally going off script came and I hope that's [11:45] okay so thank you once again for coming this evening okay what is aier with [11:51] schools we're huge we're the fifth largest school district in the state of Minnesota so we're just going to look at [11:56] some real quick facts just for you to get kind of an idea who we are so a area [12:02] school encompasses all parts of eight communities the ranges as far from dating to Rogers and Cochran in the far [12:09] Northwest to parts of Plymouth to the South and gin Center to the east the two largest communities we serve at Brooklyn [12:16] Park and Maple Grove um with the city of L seal in the center about 160,000 [12:21] community members live within this entire area um we sered nearly about [12:27] 21,000 students and more than 15,000 of our students choose to utilize our [12:32] transportation that's offered so this equates to about 36,000 bus routes that [12:37] are done daily and we appreciate our drivers and our um staff of works and transportation so we have a total of 31 [12:45] school buildings So currently right now we have 24 traditional elementary middle [12:50] and high schools we have seven what we call special program sites including [12:55] area Learning Center and early childhood centers soon we have a 32nd School [13:01] building thanks to our community support for building a better future there will be a new Elementary School that'll be [13:07] built in the very northwest corner of the district and that is set at this time to open in the fall of [13:14] 2026 so if you look at all of our school buildings they all are between 24 and [13:19] 100 years old so the sizes of each building varies quite a bit from different uh from the different time [13:26] periods of which they were built correct so so some were created with capacity level differences amongst the entire [13:32] District we just have some are smaller some are larger so this is most noticeable at our elementary level so [13:40] the more older schools tend to be smaller and the newer schools are a little larger so the school buildings [13:47] were also place where Community growth was being experienced at that time during different eras and space [13:53] available so in a general sense Brooklyn Park and Brooklyn Center to be more [13:58] established neighborhoods right now and then we have maple gr de at plym our sites that are growing more so just one [14:06] last fun fact because you really don't care but we'll say it all the school buildings spread out on 703 acres of [14:13] land for osto area schools so next our goal is always we work for you uh [14:19] there's an old under armored commercial it's called we must respect this house this is your house this is your District [14:26] we listen to you and we have strong community support that shows that so it's important for us to know that our [14:32] community members feel that you like what we're doing and we going continue working towards that goal so 82% of [14:39] survey respondents say good or excellent on how well the quality of our school district is 87% or all of our most our [14:47] student needs are being met and 84% that they're proud of our schools and we recommend it to others that's not enough [14:54] for us we will keep continuing and for you to understand we work for you that is that's why we're here so what is an [15:01] attendance value let's get into it right that's why you came in on this evening so some of the lingual or the terms [15:08] we're using to share about this change can be confusing so we want to make sure that everyone understands that we want [15:14] to make sure it's clear understandable as you interact with this information so it's look at what exactly is an [15:21] attendance boundary an attendance boundary is a geographical area which students are eligible to extend in a [15:28] school distri this means your household address is a sent Elementary a middle and a high [15:35] school so in essence this process may change the Elementary Middle School your [15:40] household is currently set to attend so a quick note students may be moved [15:46] between school buildings within the district but attendance boundary changes will not impact which students are [15:53] assigned to attend AIO schools versus surrounding area schools like a Noah [15:58] White where I was there so what that means because we touched so many cities if [16:03] your address is currently in one of those addresses you will still attend those schools in another District so [16:10] this only obtains to those ACA area schools that are have addressed within our Cal area schools so why do we need [16:19] to change what's occurring why is this happening right now so the simplest way to be able to explain that is has to do [16:27] where our students are going and what what our students can hold so this can obviously change from year to year and [16:33] decade to decade so we have an enrollment capacity and management [16:38] advisory committee or it's called EAC and this is not a lot of districts have this and this is a really Stellar [16:44] committee that we have and we have had it for years so their goal is to monitor [16:50] enrollment ships in conjunction with their school building capacities for the last several years their most recent [16:58] reports that have detailed significant enrollment and balances that exist [17:03] across our district specifically there is significant growth in our Northwest [17:08] portions of the district and there's future Housing and Redevelopment are expected in those same areas so in [17:15] addition to this there are also some districts schools that are under capacity so ecac worked uh helped to [17:23] form a 2023 or builda better future referendum and there was a building a [17:29] better future oversight task force as well that agreed with our at Max [17:34] suggestions an additional facility space became a part of the 22 2023 referendum [17:41] as a result so again we want to thank our community support for that building a better future I thought that was M [17:49] okay building a better H John sounds like is it um so again we want to thanks [17:54] everyone from about our hearts for supporting our building a better future as we will will end up having part of [18:00] that a new Elementary School in addition to na grow Senior High School were approved to address those space [18:07] constraints so next why attendance boundaries May changing all right so [18:12] looking once again as we stated before looking at to 2023 building a better future referendum it was additionally [18:19] noted that attendance boundary changes were needed no matter what that outcome of that last referendum was going to be [18:26] with additional facility space been added with the Community referendum support attendance boundary changes [18:32] thankfully will be limited to just elementary and middle schools and impact fewer families than promised so just to [18:39] be clear it means there are no changes being made at the high school level no [18:45] changes made at the high school level so we understand that uh communities of course we all do we all do make lots of [18:52] decisions based on your household School assignment so this process is not something we want to do all often in [18:59] fact the last time that hosary schools had to do a boundary change was 15 years ago since the last one was done so we [19:07] come to a point where now it's needed to be done again so what's the timeline [19:13] what we what are we working on for this this attendance value change actually kicked off this fall so at that time our [19:20] community members had an opportunity to provide their thoughts on the parameters what how will we decide to go about and [19:27] how what do we need to do for this attendance boundary change so also there was a coure team that was established to [19:34] help us create proposed scenarios and you'll see four of those this evening so nearly 3,000 community members partic [19:42] participated in giving us thoughts of what should be our parameters for setting up the tenance boundaries for [19:48] this change and they're now called our community build parameters which will go through them [19:53] momentarily so since mayate September this attendance boundary change Court tee has been utilizing those Community [20:00] build parameters to develop the scenarios that you'll see today so tonight you'll be seeing those four but [20:07] between now April and May we will be reviewing the community feedback and considering adjustment to those [20:13] scenarios so once again I want to let you know what's there is not the end result your voice matters so uh we are [20:23] looking forward to hearing from you so it's early this afternoon just under 300 community members have already shared [20:30] additional thoughts on additional on uh uh the boundary changes so tonight it [20:35] just be an additional opportunity to add on to that so the final attendance boundaries are expected to be announced [20:42] by the end of the school year the new attendance boundaries however will not [20:47] go into effect until fall of 2026 nothing is occurring but we just wanted [20:53] to make sure we had enough lead way to uh have input from our parents be transparent again gather information [21:00] adjust as we need to give you the opportunity again gather information and adjust and let parents and I don't want [21:08] know by the end of the year without any movement into fall of 2026 so the new attendance boundaries [21:15] won't go into effect until then and the only exception to this is CH through Elementary these families will make [21:22] their moves in a fall 2025 and we'll explain why our building better future [21:27] plan Shar the elementary school will be repurposed and it's going to be repurposed to Ser serve uh prek grades [21:35] en richment Community Based programs and we're contining to gather more input on that school so after much research and [21:43] uh and consideration cresy Elementary School was the school chosen to do that [21:48] so cres was kindergarten through grade five students and staff will be moving schools in the fall of [21:55] 2024 and the start of 2526 school year so that's just the one school that was [22:01] uh done differently that school will only need to move once those students will not need to move in a fall of 2026 [22:08] because their adjustment will be happening because that building is being repurposed that those students and [22:13] families will move into the new site fall of 2025 so you likely put these two pieces [22:20] together but the 2026 timeline matches with opening of the new school in the [22:26] Northwest Maple Grove so this this time I'm going turn this over to John Morad [22:31] our Executive Director of Finance and operation to walk us through the parameters and propose [22:42] scenar thank you Dr H okay so we're going to start by [22:49] talking about the community parameters um that the core team worked on to create the proposed scenarios we're [22:55] going to show you in just a minute so here you have the list I'll go over really quickly um first of all Center our core values honor integrity [23:02] belonging inclusion Innovation Excellence transparency and intrinsic [23:08] value ensure scenarios can function within our system including but not limited to Transportation building [23:15] utilization and capacity enrollment both current and future teaching and learning [23:21] program offerings and financial costs ensure scenarios have longevity in [23:26] our system follow the teacher student class targets that were established by the school [23:32] board consider the number of students impacted for each scenario and consider [23:37] student demographics of each scenario a few more uh consider connecting more [23:43] schools levelto level meaning elementary students move together to Middle Schools more frequently than we do today keeping [23:50] neighborhoods intact as much as possible minimizing non-contiguous or [23:55] non- adjoining areas if you're not sure what that means think of here's your boundary and then there's a chunk that's [24:01] not connected to it that gets picked up and brought over it's it's trying to minimize or eliminate that uh maintain [24:07] the 8/10 of a mile Elementary and one mile secondary walk zone for transportation service areas maintain [24:15] safety standards in regard to bus routing avoiding major highways and so forth avoid leny lengthy travel time on [24:22] buses and comply with state laws award policy and negotiated agreements so as you can see this is a pretty thorough [24:29] list of parameters that was established and as we review the four proposed scenarios you may notice that some of [24:34] the the parameters are adhered to um in more scenarios than others so so we [24:41] we're doing our best but we also want to make sure there's differences in the scenarios to provide more room for [24:50] feedback okay so just a reminder um in a few minutes we're going to go through the four specifics on the scenarios as [24:56] Dr H mentioned you will have an opportunity to provide feedback and ask questions in the small group L of [25:03] tonight's event which is after the presentation so in the meantime if you do have a question that comes up please [25:08] just jot down your comments I know there's paper and stuff around at the tables and make sure that you have that and then we'll get to that in those [25:13] small groups um quick overview of the proposed [25:19] scenarios um bullet points two and three mentioned specific groups of students [25:24] that would be impacted as noted in the community growth parameters this was looked at for all scenarios and this is [25:31] just a snapshot so between 1,800 and 3,700 elementary and middle school [25:36] students would move which is approximately 8 to 18% of our total student enrollment again Dr H mentioned [25:44] high school students are not impacted in any of these scenarios as we promised we would not move those boundaries racial [25:50] demographics of schools wouldn't change by more than 5% in the majority of cases poverty demographics also wouldn't [25:56] change by more than 5% % in the majority of cases okay here's what you've been [26:04] waiting for here is scenario number one and I want to start by um explaining each map to ground everybody so we're [26:11] looking at it the same you're looking at a map that is a combination of middle school and Elementary Middle School is [26:17] based on color so orange the orange area goes to oio middle the red area goes to [26:23] Maple Grove Middle the green area to Northview Middle the Blue Area to Brooklyn midle [26:29] well within each color group you will see the proposed attendance boundaries for the elementary schools that feed [26:34] that particular middle school and you'll also see that some elementary schools in this case one has [26:41] a purple hashtag color to it those schools are proposed to split to more [26:47] than one Middle School one of the goals in the parameters was to reduce the number of elementary schools that split [26:53] students to different middle schools to give you a reference today we have seven elementary schools that splits to [26:59] multiple middle schools in this scenario we are at proposing one approximately [27:05] 3,000 students um and the other piece of the map if you notice this the the hatched area there's a little breakout [27:12] down to the bottom left of the map that shows you the specifics of that hatched area so in this scenario it's Edenbrook [27:18] Elementary that would split to two different middle schools being North View Middle to the South and Brooklyn [27:24] Middle to the north and so each of those sections as we go through the four will kind of show you where those breakouts [27:30] are um approximately 3,000 Elementary Middle School students would be impacted in scenario number one some of the [27:37] strengths of this scenario are its building use of effic and efficiency elimination of non adjoining Geographic [27:44] areas and an improved feeder likee structure as students would move with classmates from elementary to Middle [27:50] again in all but one building neighborhoods would remain mostly intact um as more natural [27:57] boundaries like May roadways Parks creeks and lakes are utilized all but [28:02] one school building Cedar island is within its own attendance boundary Cedar Island just across the street from where [28:07] it's the it's predominant and boundary is this mean that students closest to each school would be able to walk attend [28:14] attend that school and potentially even walk there Middle School non- adjoining [28:20] Geographic areas that currently exist in North View Middle School would be eliminated all school buildings would be [28:27] within their own attendance boundary so again students closest to each school would have the ability to attend their and potentially [28:34] Lo moving to scenario number two so again color scheme the same um but we'll [28:42] carry on on this particular scenario so this is built to provide a more minimal change while still meeting as many [28:48] parameters as possible approximately 2100 elementary and middle students [28:54] would be impacted in this scenario some of the strengths of this SC scenario are the low number of changes [29:01] functionality within our system including efficiencies with building use and transportation [29:06] services elimination of non- adjoining Geographic areas and an improved feeder [29:12] likee structure as students would move with classmates from elementary to middle school this scenario I didn't [29:18] mention this on the first one the first scenario this scenario um are would both [29:23] last for the foreseeable future so we wouldn't anticipate boundary changes would be needed again for longer than [29:29] many us will be around the elementary school neighborhoods would remain mostly intact [29:35] as more natural borders again highways Parks creeks and lakes would be are utilized all school buildings would be [29:42] within their own attendance boundary this means students closest again to each school would be able to attend [29:47] there and potentially walk if they're inside the lock Zone only one Elementary School would split to multiple middle [29:53] schools in the situation again Edinburgh Middle School non adjoining Geographic areas currently exist in [29:59] North View would be eliminated all school buildings would be within their own attendance boundary and [30:06] most um more students close to that school would be able to attend and potentially [30:11] walk so we're going to move to scenario number three this is a little more aggressive [30:17] scenario um and the one that moves the most number of students this proposal moves 3,700 students at the middle and [30:24] elementary level some of the strengths of the scenario are building use efficiency and elimination [30:30] of the non jooin geographical areas and again an improved feeder likee structure although here we're going to two schools [30:37] that have a split um rather than one in the first two proposals again more classmates would be [30:44] able to follow from elementary to middle school this scenario is also [30:50] um excuse me would also last for the foreseeable future Elementary School neighborhoods [30:56] would mostly be intact um again following the natural borders all but one school building um at the [31:04] elementary level again being Ceder Island would be within its own attendance boundary this means again [31:09] students closer to that school can walk a few more are eligible for within that [31:14] that attendance boundary to either be able to walk to school or go to the closest school to them um I mentioned [31:20] the two elementary schools that would split uh little different changes at the middle school capacity issues at the [31:27] middle school are addressed non- adjoining geographical areas that currently exist near North View would be [31:34] eliminated however three middle schools would be within the North View Middle School attendance boundary so right now [31:41] that would remove the ability of stum students who live very close to a middle school to be able to attend their [31:47] neighborhood Middle School moving to the last scenario this [31:53] is scenario number four um this scenario moves the least number of students this [31:59] moves approximately 1,800 students the strength of this scenario is the low number of its changes however because it [32:07] moves the fewest number of students new Middle School attendance boundaries would need to be readdressed [32:13] by the fall of 2028 so from an elementary standpoint it would last for the foreseeable future but from a middle [32:20] school standpoint we're really just kicking the can 3 years or so um [32:26] Elementary this is very similar it's the same scenario scenario 2 at the elementary level but the feeder like [32:31] structure as students move from elementary to middle school is not as improved as you see here there are three [32:37] elementaries that split between middle schools I'll explain why in just a minute this means students closest to [32:43] each school will be able to attend and potentially walk there the three elementary schools that split are Edenbrook parkbrook and Fa [32:51] Oaks um at the middle school level this is similar to scenario 2 the only difference here is that we would keep [32:57] two two of the three non- adjoining non-contiguous areas that currently exist at North View Middle School all [33:04] but one building Brookland middle Falls within its own attendance foundary and it's right across the street from it its line in this scenario that means [33:11] students closest to each school will be able to attend and potentially walk there is another page and we'll show you [33:17] we we have the four scenarios up at there there's a fifth board the fifth board is showing the middle school for [33:23] scenario 4 only to show you where those non-contiguous areas are so you can better see and again following the same [33:30] color scheme that we mentioned earlier um it's very similar to our current Middle School boundaries there are still [33:36] sections within North View that would go to oio middle and maple Gro middle however as I mentioned this is a [33:42] short-term solution and we would need to propose additional boundary changes at the middle level no later than the fall [33:48] of [Music] 2028 okay so now that you've seen the [33:53] four scenarios I'm sure you have a common question of starting with how does this [33:59] affect me it's kind of hard to look on a map especially if you're in a bound pretty close to a boundary so we have a [34:05] solution for that for you you can see the QRS up here um to help you with that [34:10] please check out the boundary website or utilizing these QRS will um take you to [34:15] an interactive map for each of the proposed scenarios where you can type in your address and then it will tell you [34:21] specifically this is your Elementary School this is your middle school this is your high school it's going to ask you to verify so when you put your [34:27] address in it's going to ask you to verify when your house pops on the map is this where the house belongs you say [34:33] yes it'll tell you which three schools there there are four different ones because there are four of these interactive tools one for each scenario [34:40] so you could see hey this is how scenario one affects me this is how scenario two affects me if there's a [34:46] difference again the website for the district is district279.org boundaries we do have Chromebooks [34:52] available over on the table to my left tonight if you would like to take a look or utilize that option those are set up [34:58] for you I want to take a few minutes to go through some very common frequently [35:03] asked questions U more questions can of course be asked in your small groups and there is a more extensive list of [35:10] frequently asked questions available on the website um as new attendant boundaries will be determined more than [35:16] a year ahead of their implementation um be kind of hold harmless so where students within their [35:21] School District boundaries can stay at their current assigned school um will not be an option [35:29] some I should clarify that so so within today if you're in school a as your [35:35] boundary school and your boundary changes but you didn't move you're going to be assigned to a new school um there [35:42] are some scenarios that come up and I'll go through that here so some FAQs on IND District transfer and open enrollment [35:49] just start with a quick reminder there's a difference between those two things so IND District transfer provides our [35:55] current Community residents people who live within our outer District boundary [36:00] the ability to transfer between some of our schools open enrollment allows students [36:06] from outside our outer boundary to attend our schools open enrollment is a Statewide offering and thus has specific [36:13] requirement processes current in District transfer or open enrollment students can remain at their chosen [36:20] sites if they desire applications do not need to be refilled out for this school board [36:27] procedure prohibits the district from offering IND District transfer to impact in schools during attendance boundary [36:33] transition years this means new IND District transfer requests will not be allowed at [36:39] District elementary or middle schools until the completion of the 2728 school [36:44] year doing this enables our district to see the most accurate representation of the changes that were proposed and helps [36:51] us to better evaluate the select success and long-term efficiency of the boundary changes you more frequently asked [36:58] questions so current restricted IND District transfer and open enrollment schools thank you um will remain in [37:06] place so so current restrictions will remain in place until a review has been completed which will happen no later [37:13] then today in 2027 January 15th of [37:18] 2027 um which will be in time for any new industry transfer requests for the 2728 school year Fernbrook is a great [37:25] example of this that building has been tight for quite some time and we need to see how the new changes are going to be [37:31] supported there um through a full school year busing information that goes along [37:37] with these changes will be shared as it usually is in the regular back to school session season so for fall of 26 [37:44] implementation expect to see communication in August of 2026 likely it will be searchable online [37:50] prior to this lots more answers to frequently asked questions have been added to the boundary website and please [37:55] feel free to check them out the same district279.org boundaries and at this time I'm going to [38:01] turn it back to Dr Kile to talk about transition and feedback [38:11] opportunities all right thank you we're almost to the point where we're going to let you get busy and start to gather [38:16] input so once again I just greatly appreciate your flexibility and working with these changes so please know our [38:23] entire a school district team is ready here to make this transition as smoothly as possible so we're all partners for [38:30] our babies and our Scholars and make it uh smooth as as we can so all of our [38:35] schools of course will be very welcoming uh to all of our students in the fallowing 2026 and for anything that any questions [38:43] that you have reach out to your schools reach out to the district you there's no point where you can't reach out and give [38:49] us your voice so we want to make sure you understand that also if you have questions don't hesitate to reach to our [38:55] hotlines as well if then build a better future better future at district279.org [39:00] or at the phone number 76 3391 899 and you can reach out to that [39:07] at any time okay so what we're waiting for let's get busy right for that feedback portion of the evening so that [39:13] shared Community voice is very important to us there are two ways that you can provide feedback so option one is to go [39:20] to your assigned small group there's a color on your name tag that matches the [39:26] small group you're assigned to to and a minute each facilitator of a small group will hold [39:31] up the color for that group so you can go to that assigned group feel free to go to our checking table at the entrance [39:38] entrance if they they'll get you set up for that if you don't have it the second way of course that you can provide [39:44] feedback this to utilize the QR code on the screen that fill out the Google form via the website we want to do it where [39:51] you feel most comfortable in sharing your voice so all of your feedback whether VI your group that you're in or [39:56] the form form that is filled out will be reviewed by our coure team in the next coming weeks adjustments will be made as [40:04] a result of your feedback so new proposed scenarios are expected to be shared in March and at that time once [40:11] again you'll have the opportunity to provide feedback so please make sure you stay tuned for those next uh future [40:17] steps so again here are multiple ways uh to still informed during the process [40:23] refer to district279.org boundaries for the L parent and caregivers can stay tuned to [40:30] regular updates via email and text all our community members can also connect with these following hotlines so thank [40:37] you again for coming tonight and we'll help uh and your help with making these needy changes the best as we can we do [40:43] have one more uh uh two school board members that have come so we have uh [40:49] director Kelsey Dawson who is here as the school board meeting and director uh [40:54] as well Erica Foster that's here who will be hey and director Keith tapate this here [41:00] as well so uh we have several people here for you so you go to your table we will try our best to give you the [41:06] answers that you need if you don't have it we'll make sure we get that answer to you so next steps are we're going to [41:13] have people hold up cards kid go ahead okay