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Brooklyn Park Planning Commission Meeting 3/12/2025
Brooklyn Park City CouncilWednesday, March 12, 2025
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704. I now call this meeting to order, um, let’s start with uh 00:00:12.467 --> 00:00:55.767
roll call. Present. Present Well Awesome. Let’s stand for 00:00:55.767 --> 00:01:01.834
the Pledge of Allegiance. I, I pledge allegiance to the flag 00:01:01.834 --> 00:01:05.400
of the United States of America and to the republic for which
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it stands, one nation under God indivisible with liberty and
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justice for all. All right, the next, uh, agenda item uh 00:01:20.233 --> 00:01:22.467
explanation by chair, please be advised that the public
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hearings are recorded and televised live on cable
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television and web stream over the internet at
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comments from the seating area. If you want to be heard and
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made a part of the public work group, please go to the podium
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or if participating remotely, turn on your camera, speak into 00:01:42.233 --> 00:01:45.467
the microphone, stating your full name and address. Please
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sign the public hearing logbook on the table near the entrance
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to the council chambers if you are attending in person to 00:01:52.300 --> 00:01:55.200
ensure accuracy of name and address in the public record.
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Please note that the agen agenda for tonight’s uh uh
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media indicates that the commission chair has the 00:02:02.500 --> 00:02:06.233
prerogative to evoke a time limit for speakers during any
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public hearing in the interest of maintaining focus and the 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.634
effective use of time. Thank you in advance for your
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cooperation. The planning commission consists of 9
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resident volunteer members appointed by the city council 00:02:20.233 --> 00:02:25.467
to advise the city council on planning and land use issues.
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The commission discusses and evaluates development proposals
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based on zoning regulations and comprehensive plan policies. 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:35.800
The planning commission vote is a recommendation that is
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forwarded to the city council for official and final action. 00:02:41.500 --> 00:02:49.467
All right, we’ll move to the next agenda item, um. Or the
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next item of business is to uh approve the agenda. Are there 00:02:53.467 --> 00:03:02.900
any additions or changes to the agenda? Uh yeah, uh, 00:03:02.900 --> 00:03:09.233
commissioner, uh, before we have uh. Oh, I thought you
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wanted some changes made. Now. Minutes. All right. Sounds 00:03:12.567 --> 00:03:20.900
great. I’ll make a motion. No. All right, the, uh, motion has 00:03:20.900 --> 00:03:28.634
been made. It has been 2nd, all in favor. Say aye. All right,
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motion carries. So, um, are we to go to the next agenda item, 00:03:34.934 --> 00:03:39.133
uh, which are the, the required duties. The election of
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officers, Mr. Chair. Sounds great. Let’s do that. Uh, so, 00:03:42.934 --> 00:03:46.033
uh, Mr. Chair, members of the planning commission, I can just
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introduce this really briefly before turning it back over to
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the chair. Um, so there, this is the organization of the 00:03:53.033 --> 00:03:57.300
annual organizational meeting where the commission elects
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officers of chair, vice chair, and general officer, the, um, 00:04:02.166 --> 00:04:04.800
the agenda also notes the election of a business forward
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liaison. Let me just say a couple words about that. Uh,
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you may recall last year, um, the commission actually struck 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:18.634
that lead. on position from the Bylaws because that group no
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longer exists. However, there is, um, some interest, as I 00:04:21.500 --> 00:04:26.100
understand it, and reconstituting that, that, that,
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that business forward group sometime this year. So what I 00:04:30.467 --> 00:04:33.266
would propose is that um because the, the group doesn’t
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exist now, it’s, it’s probably not necessary to appoint a
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liaison, but in the event that that group is reconstituted 00:04:41.400 --> 00:04:43.867
during 2025, uh, the commission could revisit the bylaws, add
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that lease. back in if it’s so chose to, and then elect a
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liaison to serve in that role. So my suggestion tonight would 00:04:51.734 --> 00:04:54.133
be simply to elect those 1st 3 officers, the chair, vice chair,
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and General officer. Um Of course, right now, the chair is, 00:05:02.467 --> 00:05:07.800
is, is Chehan, uh, vice chair, uh Kathy Frazier, general
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officer, uh, Tahiti Wacko. Um And um, so those are the 00:05:13.734 --> 00:05:17.367
incumbents, uh, as I mentioned in an email the other day, uh,
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the makeup of the commission is not changing, um, the 00:05:22.667 --> 00:05:25.000
commission did reappoint or the council rather did reappoint
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the three commissioners who were up, uh, for reappointment.
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So, um, anybody who is, um, currently serving and serving 00:05:32.367 --> 00:05:35.033
throughout this year is eligible for any of these.
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Officer positions. So with that, I’ll turn it back over to the
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chair. All right, uh, thanks, uh. Let’s start with the 00:05:45.767 --> 00:05:54.233
election of officers, so we have the chair position um. Um 00:05:54.233 --> 00:05:57.767
anybody interested and uh uh being considered for that, I am,
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you know, again more than willing to, you know, maintain 00:06:00.634 --> 00:06:05.634
the position. It’s, uh, but no one interested in also. Then we
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can have a debate. I don’t know. For 2 hours. Yeah. All right. 00:06:16.033 --> 00:06:23.634
Uh Make motion. Go ahead. I make a motion to appoint Chair, 00:06:23.634 --> 00:06:32.100
Kevin. To be vice chair for this coming cycle. A second All 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:40.166
right. Darn it No no no. All right. Any, uh, motion has been 00:06:40.166 --> 00:06:49.834
made, um, um, it has been 2, All in favor, say aye aye. 00
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yeah. You have. Uh, speech I’d like to say, um. Uh, Mr. 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.100
Chairman, uh, thank you very much for the wonderful job 00:07:10.100 --> 00:07:14.800
you’ve done this year and uh it’s an honor to have you, uh,
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reappointed for a second term, so. Thank you. Thank you. All 00:07:22.300 --> 00:07:27.367
right, and the motion has been made. It has been 2nd all in
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favor. I In the post All right, motion carries. Um, the next is 00:07:37.266 --> 00:07:44.734
the vice chair, uh, The commissioner, Frazier’s 00:07:44.734 --> 00:07:49.767
currently serving in that position, um. Um, anybody else
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interested in fulfilling that role? If not, uh, uh, can I get 00:07:56.567 --> 00:08:06.100
a motion to Are you interested in refilling. 00, I’d like to 00:08:06.100 --> 00:08:11.900
make a motion to reappoint uh the current vice president. Uh, 00:08:11.900 --> 00:08:16.400
oh, sorry, vice chair. Can we please promote her to vice
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president. And no last election did not go very well for the 00:08:22.767 --> 00:08:30.734
vice president. We want this, we want this one to go better 00:08:30.734 --> 00:08:35.000
appointed the current vice chair to another term. Like
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Right, motion has been made. It has been 2nd, uh. Uh, all in 00:08:41.533 --> 00:08:51.567
favor. Oh, God. Good. Uh, well, um, I think uh the vice chair, 00:08:51.567 --> 00:08:55.767
uh, the, the work she’s done speaks for herself, uh, when in
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the absence of the chair, the the vice has done a wonderful
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job, so. Uh, it’s, uh, my honor to, you know, uh. nominate her, 00:09:05.934 --> 00:09:11.467
so I, I hope she wins. Thank you. Saying is, it’s been 00:09:11.467 --> 00:09:15.467
absolute pleasure, uh, have you as vice chair and uh you’ve
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stepped up every time, uh, um, so it is an honor to, to have 00:09:20.533 --> 00:09:25.266
you as vice chair, so thank you appreciate it. Um, all right,
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motion has been made that that’s been 2nd. We’ve had some
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discussion. All in favor, say aye. I the pose. All right, 00:09:35.467 --> 00:09:40.634
Motion carries. All right, uh, the general officer currently 00:09:40.634 --> 00:09:48.100
served by Commissioner Waco, um. Um, anyone else interested in?
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General officer. Are you interested? All right, uh. Yeah 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:15.867
it Yeah it Sounds great. All right, uh. Uh Any comments or I 00:10:15.867 --> 00:10:25.500
didn’t right. you know I’ll second that. All right, um, All 00:10:25.500 --> 00:10:34.734
in favor. the post. All right, motion carries. Congratulations. 00:10:34.734 --> 00:10:56.900
I And All right, uh, let’s see here. Uh, the next agenda item 00:10:56.900 --> 00:11:00.667
is 4.2 adoption of the bylaws, is that? Yeah, yes, Mr. Chair, 00:11:00.667 --> 00:11:03.834
members of the commission, um, this year’s staff are not
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proposing any, any changes to the bylaws over the last year,
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we will, we will fill in the blanks for the officers based
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on the election that just occurred and put those names in, 00:11:14.500 --> 00:11:17.734
um, otherwise what’s before you is what’s what staff is
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recommending for the bylaws, you know, we do, I will just 00:11:21.467 --> 00:11:24.634
say some at times as staff, we do propose if the commission
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would ever be interested in moving the meeting to 6 p.m.
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and putting that in the bylaws we would be in. in favor of
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that, but we understand that that doesn’t work for 00:11:32.367 --> 00:11:34.767
everybody’s schedule, and I, in all seriousness, I won’t
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propose that tonight because we are missing a couple, a couple
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of commission members and if it doesn’t work for everybody, we
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need to make sure it does if, if, if that’s where the 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:47.100
commission were to go, so, um, That’s all I had to say about
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the bylaws and but the commission is welcome to, of
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course, discuss and propose any, any changes that it wishes to 00:11:52.734 --> 00:11:58.300
discuss. All right, thank you. Um, let’s see here, do I have
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the bylaws in front of me. Oh yeah, I do. All right, great. 00:12:03.634 --> 00:12:10.567
All right, um, uh, the bylaws are in front of us, um, any 00:12:10.567 --> 00:12:14.767
Discussion, uh, with regards to the bylaws or? Anything you
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would like to change or see different at this time we can,
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I believe we can revisit this. There are issues commissioner. 00:12:27.166 --> 00:12:34.200
I, I’d like to make a, you know, uh, suggestion for a change. Um, 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:39.634
the, uh, staff mentioned that uh we, we have issues with the
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um meeting time. Uh, changing it from 6 o’clock, my 00:12:43.100 --> 00:12:49.000
suggestion would be, why don’t we follow the uh Uh, like 7
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times, uh, uh, thing, you know, so, so that when the Dallas 7 00:12:52.767 --> 00:12:55.567
time changes, we drop them a meeting to 6 or sorry, we, you
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know, to 6 o’clock and we it. But then this we push it back 00:13:00.767 --> 00:13:06.266
to to 7 because uh because, you know, um, 7 o’clock in winter
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it’s a little bit harder to uh to attend than uh 7 o’clock
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this summer. Just a suggestion to consider. I Yeah Thank you. 00:13:22.100 --> 00:13:32.367
I get that. Um I think, uh, I think, uh, I mean, that’s a 00:13:32.367 --> 00:13:38.734
great point, um. Uh, because it is bylaw, you know, it would be
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nice to have. For the commissioners here to all. Uh 00:13:45.634 --> 00:13:49.400
Have a debate, if you will, on the, on the timeline, but I
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love your suggestion. Um, obviously we’ll have to work 00:13:52.667 --> 00:13:57.900
with the staff as well, you know, but uh. I think we should
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have this just my opinion that we should have um uh all the. 00:14:03.233 --> 00:14:09.734
commissioners here that, that debate. For discussion. With
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you. At the person this. Will you, let’s uh Am I going to 00:14:16.233 --> 00:14:29.467
guarantee? I, uh, no, no. I, I, I will just How, how that 00:14:29.467 --> 00:14:35.934
Sounds great. Uh, so, Mr. Chair, Dama, the question is how would 00:14:35.934 --> 00:14:41.266
it affect staff if, if we, if the commission chose to do base 00:14:41.266 --> 00:14:44.400
start times on daylight saving time, that, that’s what I mean,
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I, um, I think it could create some confusion, um, with both 00:14:50.233 --> 00:14:53.900
staff and the public, you know, because we have, of course,
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public hearings at these meetings, um. You know, I, I
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think having a consistent start time would be important, um, so 00:15:04.767 --> 00:15:06.500
people just know if, you know, if it’s a planning commission
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meeting, it’s a, it’s at 7 o’clock or, or 6 o’clock 00:15:10.133 --> 00:15:11.800
whatever the commission decides that that would be my
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suggestion. I mean, it’s that we can deal with it, we could,
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you know, make the change twice a year just like we all do with
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our clocks. Um, but, um, my suggestion would be to just 00:15:21.800 --> 00:15:26.100
choose a time and and stick with it. But again, I, I, I
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agree with that, the conversation should probably
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wait until we have all 9 commissioners present. Was that 00:15:38.300 --> 00:15:44.166
All right, any other discussion on the bylaws? Yes. Chair, one 00:15:44.166 --> 00:15:51.100
question I have is on, on bylaws, uh, number one. B In 00:15:51.100 --> 00:15:56.533
the event that there are More public hearings than can be
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reasonably expected to be concluded by 11 p.m. That’s 00:16:01.767 --> 00:16:09.367
like 4 hours window between 7. To 11 p.m. And Um, we haven’t
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reached to that level as far as I’ve been here. But, uh, where 00:16:14.800 --> 00:16:20.000
is 11 p.m. coming from, and I just wanna know. Uh, that Has 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:24.467
to be 4 hours window or, you know, uh. Just wanted to know
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where. That 11 comes, can it be 10? Can it be 9? Just a 00:16:31.734 --> 00:16:35.467
question about that, Mr. Chair, members of the commission, um,
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you know, the history of that, I would imagine that, uh, at
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least at the time that it was proved the bylaws probably 00:16:40.867 --> 00:16:46.266
matched. A similar rule the city council had for itself.
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There’s been a lot of that just trying to, you know, match with
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the city council does, um. But, um, but no, that, I mean that 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:56.834
there’s nothing magic about the 4 hours. That’s something the
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commission could decide for itself to change to a different, 00:17:00.467 --> 00:17:05.467
a different time if it’s so chose. But to your point,
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Commissioner Wacker, we, you know, as of late, at least, we
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have not had meetings that have Approach that, yeah. I’m, I’m 00:17:15.634 --> 00:17:20.800
not, oh, sorry. I’m not to release to just change unless, 00:17:20.800 --> 00:17:23.667
you know, majority, you know, many people needs to, to change,
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but. I do feel that a little bit lengthy. In terms of Scope. 00:17:30.467 --> 00:17:32.734
We haven’t reached to that level, but if this is
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consistent with the city council. I think I’m fine with
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it. OK. And, and one Just share one last question is, uh, uh, 00:17:43.934 --> 00:17:50.800
the last page. Uh, talks about any rule of order not covered 00:17:50.800 --> 00:17:54.500
by these bylaws shall be governed by the Robot rule of
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Order of Standard. parliamentary procedure and
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That is really to mention that every year if there is kind of. 00:18:04.567 --> 00:18:08.567
Maybe you know, 5 10 minutes presentation about Robert’s
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rule of law. Uh, that would be good. I have seen where that is 00:18:13.100 --> 00:18:16.367
very, very important in running commissions when I was in the
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budget advisory commission. Um Not everybody is, you know, 00:18:21.300 --> 00:18:24.767
yeah, the robot’s rule of law is out there. You know, the
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book is there, but. How the city You know, procedure
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function, you know, when we run commissions if, you know, if, 00:18:33.533 --> 00:18:37.300
for some, it could be repeat, for some it could be, you know,
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refreshing and new. Uh, I would like to see if there is any way 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:46.233
to add that, you know, um, at the beginning of the session.
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Uh, not every meetings, but, you know, cycle. There will be 00:18:52.100 --> 00:18:56.000
some brief presentation about Robert rule of law. Are you OK
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with that being at one of the working sessions. Yes, I’m OK
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with that to be one of the working sessions, yes. Uh 00:19:07.100 --> 00:19:08.634
excellent suggestion, Commissioner Waco. Uh, we’ve
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done that in the past and we’ll be happy to add that to, um, 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.634
you know, the list of, um, I’m kind of trainings that we’re
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doing over the course of the year at work sessions, so
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thanks for that suggestion. Great. Thank you. OK. Jeff The 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:39.634
light is on, so. Did you have something? now OK. You’re like. 00:19:39.634 --> 00:19:48.133
All right, uh. Sorry. Can I point out something to the uh 00:19:48.133 --> 00:19:54.033
the commissioner, um, if, if you look at this, uh Uh, bylaws, 00:19:54.033 --> 00:19:59.367
uh, if, if you look at number 1112, 13, going down. There are
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some aspects of the robust rule of law that has been mentioned 00:20:03.367 --> 00:20:10.500
here as, as it affects this meeting. So, um. We Maybe we 00:20:10.500 --> 00:20:13.367
will need to visit it, but we may not need to take a full
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course on it because it’s, you know, if it can be complicated,
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we should just take the parts that affects us. And, and, and, 00:20:21.800 --> 00:20:27.100
uh, listed out here as it is, you know, to simplify so that
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we don’t spend all time the betting on. On, on, on, on the 00:20:31.900 --> 00:20:35.367
role aspects instead of 70 public as as we’re supposed to
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do, that’s just my, my suggestion, we should
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streamline things as much as possible. With without creating 00:20:41.533 --> 00:20:44.734
no chaos, so that we become, you know, uh focused around.
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Our men Function in a while, you know, we know, we know why
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we are here and what we have to do. Sounds great. I like that 00:20:53.233 --> 00:21:00.166
suggestion, so and the training session and the working session, 00:21:00.166 --> 00:21:05.734
uh, uh, focusing on the uh Not the entire book about what’s
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important to, uh, uh. Uh This commission Sounds great. 00:21:16.734 --> 00:21:26.367
Frazier. Yes, so there seems to be a conflict with the quorum. 00:21:26.367 --> 00:21:30.867
That’s required, so it’s majority. Um, of members 00:21:30.867 --> 00:21:38.033
appointed. And then it says that public hearing should not
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contain. More than 3 or fewer. So Essentially we can have a 00:21:48.233 --> 00:21:55.166
public here and without a quorum if that’s the case. What 00:21:55.166 --> 00:22:03.634
So she’s 4A. That shall consist of a minimum of a majority of 00:22:03.634 --> 00:22:07.533
current appointed and seated commissioners in no case shall
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a public hearing be held if only 3 commissioners or fewer 00:22:11.867 --> 00:22:16.000
are present. I think that’s uh Go ahead. Oh maybe you were
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just going to say, a chair came in, um, and Commissioner 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:24.000
Frazier, I think the intent there is in the event that
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there are fewer than 9 commissioners seated as in
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there are open seats that haven’t been appointed. That 00:22:32.567 --> 00:22:37.400
will reduce the quorum for a meeting. Um, so let’s say the
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quorum was Um I don’t, so you could imagine a situation where 00:22:46.467 --> 00:22:50.800
there’s a lower quorum than we would have when, when all 9 are 00:22:50.800 --> 00:22:55.500
seated, um, but in no in any case, regardless of how many
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are seated, um, you can’t, you have to have 3 for a public 00:23:00.300 --> 00:23:05.266
hearing. Is that I’m, I’m not explaining very clearly. It’s,
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it’s we, yeah, right. So, so in the case where we’re fully
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seated and have 93 is not the number. 5 is the number. Yeah, 00:23:15.266 --> 00:23:41.533
right. Yeah, yeah. Right. It’s what I’m saying. There there 00:23:41.533 --> 00:23:48.934
might be a situation in which the city council uh failed to,
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uh, approve of members for them. For whatever reason and in 00:23:53.166 --> 00:23:55.934
those situations, uh, you know, you know, let’s say they are,
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you know, there are only 4 or 5 people, and in those situations, 00:24:02.166 --> 00:24:04.467
3 could become the decorum, is that what you are, is that
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where, what this is for a public hearing. Yes, that seems
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like an extreme case, but I think that’s what it’s, what 00:24:10.934 --> 00:24:21.467
it’s saying, yup. Yes. I, I definitely understand that. I 00:24:21.467 --> 00:24:26.834
think that’s what it was written for. But if we are a
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full commission. And members are missing and we have 3. 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.367
Members here, commissioners here, we’re not gonna be able 00:24:40.367 --> 00:24:45.567
to hold up. Correct. And I don’t think that’s clear. How
00:24:45.567 --> 00:24:55.734
this is written. Trying to think of a way of making it 00:24:55.734 --> 00:25:06.834
clear. Could we just do a matrix? That, you know, if 00:25:06.834 --> 00:25:12.734
they’re, you know, just 4 commissioners here, um, for a 00:25:12.734 --> 00:25:21.900
meeting and um uh. Uh That’s, uh, that, uh, I should say 4 00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:30.900
seated commissioners here. Uh You need at least 3. Oh, so the, 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:33.634
uh, for the majority, you wouldn’t have a majority vote,
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right? If there are only 4 because Right. There’s only 2,
00:25:37.934 --> 00:25:42.300
right? And so you need at least another person, 5 seated 00:25:42.300 --> 00:25:48.734
members to. I don’t know. I think a matrix could possibly
00:25:48.734 --> 00:25:52.767
yeah. Um, if this is a concern of the commission, I think 00:25:52.767 --> 00:25:56.000
rather than try to edit it on the fly here staff could er
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.166
could spend some time with this and propose something that is
00:25:59.166 --> 00:26:03.467
more clear, um, and, um, you know, so the commission could 00:26:03.467 --> 00:26:07.734
choose. You could, one action you might, you could consider
00:26:07.734 --> 00:26:13.567
taking tonight is a, is a proving. The, um, bylaws as 00:26:13.567 --> 00:26:18.033
presented here, um, with a direction to staff to, to edit
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this line. Um, and bring it back for approval at the next 00:26:22.100 --> 00:26:28.800
regular meeting. So move, I like. Yeah, I think you said it,
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yeah, you said it well, you know, so I would say that’s the 00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:36.200
the motion, right? I, I feel like I overstepped and made a
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:41.567
motion. I’m not supposed to do that. I, uh, I’m making the 00:26:41.567 --> 00:26:49.400
motion on behalf of the words that you’ve. It has been 2nd,
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uh, all in favor of proving the bylaws. I Any opposed? All 00:26:55.834 --> 00:27:05.500
right, uh, Motion carries. Let’s see here. All right, uh, 00:27:05.500 --> 00:27:11.233
the next agenda item, uh, the consent agenda which includes 00:27:11.233 --> 00:27:16.033
uh uh proving the meeting minutes, um. Uh, are there any
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changes uh to the meeting minutes. Uh There is uh a chain, 00:27:24.033 --> 00:27:28.467
uh, I would like to suggest a change on minutes of uh
00:27:28.467 --> 00:27:32.934
February 12, 2025. On the first page it says uh the chair is 00:27:32.934 --> 00:27:44.500
excused. But if you go to page. Um, Uh, page 303. Which one is 00:27:44.500 --> 00:27:48.634
it? What, what, what document are you not the work session
00:27:48.634 --> 00:27:53.133
but the minute the regular meeting minute. Regular meeting. 00:27:53.133 --> 00:28:03.567
OK. Got it. Oh, I see it. Yeah, on this. 3 or 7 page 3 it says. 00:28:03.567 --> 00:28:05.734
Commissioner Chair Kevin reopened the public meeting.
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That Change. Yeah. Fraser wasn’t here. Yeah. I think 00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:29.233
that’s, that’s all. Right. that change Yeah. Comments, edits. 00:28:29.233 --> 00:28:34.500
All right, uh, can I get a motion to, uh, approve the 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:38.867
consent agenda and the meeting minutes with the uh comments
00:28:38.867 --> 00:28:47.900
that uh Make the one added on page 30 7. OK. All right, uh, 00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:51.734
motion has been made, has, uh, can I get a second 2nd. All 00:28:51.734 --> 00:28:56.367
right, motion has been 2nd. Can I ask one question of clarity
00:28:56.367 --> 00:29:01.900
on last page of the work session minutes. says interim 00:29:01.900 --> 00:29:06.300
commissioner Chair Fraser. They not supposed to say vice chair
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or? Uh, she is the chair of the working. Um, session. OK. She 00:29:19.467 --> 00:29:26.300
is the chair for the working session. Also So uh Mr. Chair, 00:29:26.300 --> 00:29:29.133
members commission, I propose that we strike the words
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interim commissioner. Yes, yeah. OK All right So, um, So we do 00:29:46.100 --> 00:29:54.100
the motion. Um, so we’d like to make a motion to approve uh the 00:29:54.100 --> 00:29:59.934
uh consent agenda and uh meeting minutes with uh the and
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it’s of on the uh regular meeting February 12 to uh uh 00:30:06.867 --> 00:30:12.266
change from commission chair, uh, to commission, uh, or. Uh, 00:30:12.266 --> 00:30:17.033
Commissioner Frazier opening the public hearing and then on
00:30:17.033 --> 00:30:24.500
the working session changing the uh um. Number 5, their 00:30:24.500 --> 00:30:27.900
interim uh commissioner striking interim. Um-hum. All
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right. motion as we made, it has been 2nd. All in favor say 00:30:35.166 --> 00:30:45.367
aye, you opposed? All right, motion carries. The catch All 00:30:45.367 --> 00:30:52.000
right, uh, let’s see here. Do we have anything for a public 00:30:52.000 --> 00:31:00.367
hearing? OK. OK. Nothing for, uh, item number 6. let’s move 00:31:00.367 --> 00:31:06.734
to item number 7 other business, uh, 7.1, 2025 work plan. Mr.
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Chair, members of the commission, um, you’ll recall 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:16.266
that the February work session, uh, we included in the packet
00:31:16.266 --> 00:31:20.033
the proposed 2025 planning commission work plan and 00:31:20.033 --> 00:31:22.800
discussed it briefly with the intent that this regular
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meeting, the commission would take a vote, so I, I don’t
00:31:25.300 --> 00:31:27.100
intend to give another presentation on it, but I’m
00:31:27.100 --> 00:31:29.900
happy to entertain any questions you may have on it
00:31:29.900 --> 00:31:32.934
before, um, Before taking a vote on improving the work plan. 00:31:32.934 --> 00:31:47.233
Right, thank you. Um Anyone need uh, any. Clarification 00:31:47.233 --> 00:31:52.166
regarding the 2025 work plan or can we get a motion to Approve 00:31:52.166 --> 00:32:01.900
the work plan. Right I’d like to make a motion to approve the 00:32:01.900 --> 00:32:09.800
work. All right, um, Can I get a second? second. Alright, the
00:32:09.800 --> 00:32:13.400
motion has been made, it has been 2nd. Any further 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:20.900
discussion. Yes, um, I have, I have a question maybe for uh 00:32:20.900 --> 00:32:25.100
staff, um, in this work plan, I don’t see, you know, like
00:32:25.100 --> 00:32:30.467
anything related to budgets or departmental things. Uh, for, 00:32:30.467 --> 00:32:35.300
for the planning commission and the department, you know, uh.
00:32:35.300 --> 00:32:39.033
In their budgetary implication or. Um, and the other thing is
00:32:39.033 --> 00:32:42.767
maybe as part of the work plan is to add the training. You 00:32:42.767 --> 00:32:48.634
know, components that we, we just talked about. Uh And I
00:32:48.634 --> 00:32:54.500
think a year ago or, you know, some time we had a tool to 00:32:54.500 --> 00:32:59.834
Other city developments to see. You know how other cities are
00:32:59.834 --> 00:33:02.500
doing and planning commission has taken us to St. Louis Park, 00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:09.000
uh. to also Bloomer and all this and. Could this be part of
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.233
the plan if you could, could those be in here? Is my 00:33:12.233 --> 00:33:18.734
question. Um, Mr. Chair, commissioner Waco and members
00:33:18.734 --> 00:33:21.200
of the commission. So I heard 3 questions there, budget, 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.900
training, and tour are those are the three, OK, so on the
00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:29.767
first question of budget, um, so the certainly some of these
00:33:29.767 --> 00:33:33.500
projects do have um budget implications. Um, I can tell 00:33:33.500 --> 00:33:38.467
you that everything is budgeted for in the 2025 adopted budget
00:33:38.467 --> 00:33:41.000
that’s shown here, um, you know, typically it has not been the 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.634
business of the planning commission to or other
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commissions to work on budgets aside from, of course, the
00:33:45.734 --> 00:33:49.567
budget advisory commission. advisors, the city council on
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the overall city budget, as you’re well aware, um, um, but, 00:33:53.834 --> 00:33:57.500
uh, anytime I’m, you know, certainly happy to entertain
00:33:57.500 --> 00:34:00.200
questions whether tonight or any other time about, you know, 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.467
how how these, how these things are budgeted for, um, training,
00:34:04.467 --> 00:34:06.634
um, the training item is on the work plan, but I, I think we
00:34:06.634 --> 00:34:11.900
can. We can just take it as an understanding, um, based on 00:34:11.900 --> 00:34:14.033
your previous suggestion, Commissioner Wacker, that we
00:34:14.033 --> 00:34:17.834
will add the, um, Robert’s rules, uh, to our list of
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things that we’ll train on at at work session, um, and then 00:34:21.634 --> 00:34:25.834
the third thing, tour, um, for other commissioners who weren’t
00:34:25.834 --> 00:34:30.667
around, this was 2 years ago, 2023, that Commissioner Walker 00:34:30.667 --> 00:34:34.367
was talking about when the, when the city council enacted a
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moratorium on new development in the northern part of the
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city, and then we commenced that 6:10. development study, 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.100
um, that resulted in, um, new minimum expectations for
00:34:44.100 --> 00:34:48.867
development, uh, kind of along the 610 corridor, um. We did do
00:34:48.867 --> 00:34:53.033
a tour of some uh example uh higher density mixed-use 00:34:53.033 --> 00:34:56.367
developments in Saint Louis Park and in Bloomington, um,
00:34:56.367 --> 00:34:59.100
that was informative for that for that study. We we took both
00:34:59.100 --> 00:35:02.133
the planning commission and the city council on that tour. Um, 00:35:02.133 --> 00:35:06.367
I agree that was very valuable for that work. Um, we will
00:35:06.367 --> 00:35:09.400
definitely do tours in the future that go outside Brooklyn
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.767
Park. Uh, there will be a tour, um, this should be on your 00:35:12.767 --> 00:35:15.634
calendars. If it’s not, we will, we will make sure it is. Um,
00:35:15.634 --> 00:35:20.233
it’s on my list to announce later. reminder, but on April 00:35:20.233 --> 00:35:24.533
23rd, um, of this year in place of the planning commission work
00:35:24.533 --> 00:35:27.767
session, there’s going to be a development tour within
00:35:27.767 --> 00:35:31.033
Brooklyn Park, um, for both the planning commission and the 00:35:31.033 --> 00:35:34.800
city council, taking a look at um development that has been
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.033
completed and some of the many development opportunities, uh,
00:35:38.033 --> 00:35:40.867
that exist for future development. So, uh, look for 00:35:40.867 --> 00:35:53.033
that. Yeah, yeah. I, I, I think, uh, that’s good, uh. Uh, I’ll, 00:35:53.033 --> 00:35:58.166
I’ll take it and, and, and the area of budgets, you know, for
00:35:58.166 --> 00:36:00.367
commissioners to be advocates for the department if there is 00:36:00.367 --> 00:36:04.567
any way in the, you know, in the future, there are any.
00:36:04.567 --> 00:36:11.000
Either You know what role we could play to advocate for the 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:16.400
department function, so that’s where I’m. Coming from, and, uh,
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.100
I think, uh, we can take it in the work session, but the rest
00:36:19.100 --> 00:36:25.467
of it is very good and thank you again, thanks. All right, 00:36:25.467 --> 00:36:29.734
uh, motion has been made. It has been 2nd any further
00:36:29.734 --> 00:36:34.133
discussion. All right, uh, let’s vote, uh, all in favor 00:36:34.133 --> 00:36:42.000
say aye. Any pose? Right, motion carries. All right, 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:48.667
let’s move to the next agenda item, any um. Discussion items
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for the good of the group, right? Um I, I have noticed 00:36:57.467 --> 00:37:03.400
over time that um When the planning Commission, um, makes 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:07.166
that decision on on projects that have appeared before the
00:37:07.166 --> 00:37:13.000
commission, um, usually goes to the city council. And um Most 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.767
of the time, the liaison for the city council will tell us,
00:37:16.767 --> 00:37:23.033
you know, give us an update. But um on other items that we 00:37:23.033 --> 00:37:25.467
have approved that maybe the city council have also approved
00:37:25.467 --> 00:37:31.634
or whatever. Uh, we don’t hear about it anymore. Is there um a 00:37:31.634 --> 00:37:36.634
mechanism that we can follow up because I know that we approved
00:37:36.634 --> 00:37:42.367
several big projects. And um It’s been years and uh you know 00:37:42.367 --> 00:37:49.367
we haven’t really um Uh He um And anything, the last thing I
00:37:49.367 --> 00:37:53.533
heard that there was one, I had my brother the last time. The, 00:37:53.533 --> 00:37:56.166
uh, development by the uh police station right there. And,
00:37:56.166 --> 00:37:58.834
um, you know, and uh after years, uh, you know, we know
00:37:58.834 --> 00:38:03.100
we’re told that the president had some difficulties, uh, 00:38:03.100 --> 00:38:07.900
raising funds, um, you know, so we, we’d like to know. You know,
00:38:07.900 --> 00:38:10.634
um, you know, maybe have an idea of things like that until 00:38:10.634 --> 00:38:15.734
either the uh project is canceled. Or It’s no more
00:38:15.734 --> 00:38:20.166
viable. So is, is there a mechanism that we can just, you 00:38:20.166 --> 00:38:22.934
know, not that there’s much we can do, but we’d like to. Um,
00:38:22.934 --> 00:38:26.300
you know, have an idea of, uh, you know, what, what, you know,
00:38:26.300 --> 00:38:30.934
that, you know, what, what we’ve approved, um, you know, 00:38:30.934 --> 00:38:38.033
has, uh. done. Yeah. Uh yeah, OK, Mr. Chair, Commissioner,
00:38:38.033 --> 00:38:40.667
members of the commission. I, I think that’s a good idea, you 00:38:40.667 --> 00:38:45.233
know, they’re, they’re, it does happen on occasion, um, that
00:38:45.233 --> 00:38:48.000
the planning commission recommends an approval of a of
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.634
a project like a new building or whatever it is. that and 00:38:50.634 --> 00:38:56.000
goes to the city council they approve it, um, and then, um.
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.634
You look around the city and you don’t see it being built in
00:38:58.634 --> 00:39:00.934
a year or 2 or 3 passes and you’re wondering whats going on. 00:39:00.934 --> 00:39:04.734
I think that’s what you’re saying, right? Yeah, um, so
00:39:04.734 --> 00:39:07.734
yeah, you know, there’s all sorts of circumstances that can
00:39:07.734 --> 00:39:10.400
arise that cause something to not be built or to be delayed, 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:12.533
but I think, I think what your request is, if I’m
00:39:12.533 --> 00:39:15.734
understanding it, is that perhaps we as staff could, you
00:39:15.734 --> 00:39:20.533
know, maybe do a citywide scan or update for you maybe at a 00:39:20.533 --> 00:39:24.767
work session on, on what the status of some of those.
00:39:24.767 --> 00:39:29.100
Projects are, we would be happy to do that. um. And maybe the
00:39:29.100 --> 00:39:32.800
commission’s interested, yeah, maybe it’s uh I’m thinking of a 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:38.200
different city, uh, but that is that on the website and the
00:39:38.200 --> 00:39:43.166
building department to show here are the, the status of 00:39:43.166 --> 00:39:45.767
projects and I thought I read that or saw it somewhere or at
00:39:45.767 --> 00:39:48.300
least I try to keep track of Mr. Chair, members of the
00:39:48.300 --> 00:39:53.734
commission, we as staff do maintain and interactive map um 00:39:53.734 --> 00:39:59.000
online that, that does show, um, Uh, projects that are about to
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.734
come before the commission, projects that have been 00:40:01.734 --> 00:40:06.467
approved by the city council projects that are under
00:40:06.467 --> 00:40:10.734
construction and then projects that um have been opened in 00:40:10.734 --> 00:40:15.500
maybe the last year or so. So we have those 4 categories, um.
00:40:15.500 --> 00:40:18.900
What it doesn’t do is what Commissioner Odama is asking
00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:22.467
about, you know, whatever happened to that one project. 00:40:22.467 --> 00:40:25.734
It’ll eventually just fall off of that map. Um, so what I
00:40:25.734 --> 00:40:30.100
think we can do is we can present that map, um, at, at a 00:40:30.100 --> 00:40:33.634
work session, but also talk about some of those other major
00:40:33.634 --> 00:40:35.634
projects that have fallen off the radar and what their status
00:40:35.634 --> 00:40:39.000
are, because not, not all of them are dead, um, some of them
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:41.867
are still in process. Sure, yeah, yeah, but I don’t know, I 00:40:41.867 --> 00:40:44.800
just thought I saw it again, it’s probably a different city,
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:49.133
but uh. where it’s still, you know, the developer is still,
00:40:49.133 --> 00:40:52.900
you know, try seeking funding uh funding been paused for 00:40:52.900 --> 00:40:56.266
whatever, right, but reasons, uh, you know, they’re not
00:40:56.266 --> 00:41:00.533
funding or whatever it is, so that’s stopping that, uh, from 00:41:00.533 --> 00:41:07.266
moving forward, but I think that’s a great idea. All right.
00:41:07.266 --> 00:41:13.800
Any other discussion items? All right, let’s move on to the 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:18.467
next agenda, uh, verbal reports and announcement, uh, council
00:41:18.467 --> 00:41:25.734
member liaison is not present, um. Paul you have something 00:41:25.734 --> 00:41:30.900
that I can do that when we get to my right, sounds great. uh, 00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:35.200
commissioner comments. Any further comments? All right,
00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:38.734
staff liaison comments. OK, Commissioner Chair Kain,
00:41:38.734 --> 00:41:40.667
members of the commission, bear with me. I do have several 00:41:40.667 --> 00:41:43.834
items. Um, one is in place of council member Mugabe, who
00:41:43.834 --> 00:41:48.533
couldn’t be here tonight. I can summarize recent council
00:41:48.533 --> 00:41:50.567
actions forwarded by the planning commission, so I’m at 00:41:50.567 --> 00:41:54.900
the regular meeting of the council on February 24th, um,
00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:58.467
the council approved on consent the conditional use permit for
00:41:58.467 --> 00:42:02.900
the social club and banquet hall at 8432 Xerxes Avenue 00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:06.667
North. They also approved on consent, uh, the sign variants
00:42:06.667 --> 00:42:09.000
from True. that was the variance at what at what’s
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going to be the Clean freak car wash that had been previously 00:42:12.133 --> 00:42:17.166
approved over at the Edinburgh Center area. Um, and then they
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approved the first reading of the minor zoning code text 00:42:21.533 --> 00:42:24.567
revisions that staff had proposed and that the planning
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commission forwarded, um, the second reading of those. second
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reading meaning final approval will be March 24th. Um, also at 00:42:34.300 --> 00:42:38.567
the March 24th council meeting, um. Uh, the once and future
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chair of the planning commission, Chair Kain will 00:42:41.233 --> 00:42:44.567
present the 2024 annual report. Um, I think you’re still on the
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calendar for that, right? I am, I’m thinking about passing it 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:55.834
off though. Um, a reminder that, uh, and I just sent an email
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reminder about this a few minutes ago before the meeting,
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um, this coming Monday, March 17th, is a joint city council 00:43:04.166 --> 00:43:06.834
planning commission work session focused on the
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Northwest Growth area plan, um, that starts at 6 o’clock. 6 00:43:11.133 --> 00:43:18.567
o’clock, um, upstairs in room A 203, um, that is a, it is an
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EDA night for the council members, so they will be having 00:43:21.767 --> 00:43:25.533
their regular EDA meeting following the work session. So,
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um, it’s at 6 o’clock, we’re planning to keep that meeting
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to about an hour, um, so that the EDA can have their regular 00:43:32.100 --> 00:43:34.667
meeting after that. Um, it’s going to be really interesting,
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so I hope you can all make it and looking for your feedback
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on the next steps of that planning process. Um, that will, 00:43:42.634 --> 00:43:47.000
that meeting will take the place of the work session slot
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for the 4th Monday this month, so we will not have a work 00:43:50.266 --> 00:43:53.300
session on the 4th or the 4th Wednesday, we will not have a
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work session on the 4th Wednesday of the month. Um, we
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will have a regular meeting on April 9th as usual, and then as 00:44:00.767 --> 00:44:05.567
I just mentioned earlier on April 23rd, there will be that
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development tour, um, within Brooklyn Park, um, with the
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planning commission and the city council that goes from 5 00:44:12.634 --> 00:44:15.200
o’clock um until 8 o’clock. So I know for some that’ll be a
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challenge, but I hope most of you can make it 5:00 to 8
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o’clock. April 23rd. And we, we’ve sent all this in email 00:44:24.233 --> 00:44:26.467
that we will send reminders with all this information so
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you have it. Do think we need to prepare for for the March 00:44:31.867 --> 00:44:37.100
17th, all the materials will be provided at the meeting. Yeah.
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Awesome. All right, uh, With that sad, um, First, 00:44:52.100 --> 00:44:55.867
congratulations to uh all the uh commissioners that were
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reappointed, uh, excited to have you guys back, so, uh,
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looking forward to another great year. Um, And with that,