00:00:06.867 --> 00:00:11.300 Uh, I now call this meeting to order. We’ll start off with, uh, 00:00:11.300 --> 00:00:23.467 roll call. Yeah Yeah Here. Commissioner Wacko here. 00:00:23.467 --> 00:00:43.734 Commissioner. ro o Right. Yeah Right Here You know that Yeah 5 00:00:43.734 --> 00:00:52.734 the current I’m Yeah. Uh, chair, you have a car. All right, 00:00:52.734 --> 00:01:00.367 thank you. Let’s uh stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I 00:01:00.367 --> 00:01:04.100 pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America 00:01:04.100 --> 00:01:09.400 and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:19.467 indivisible with liberty and justice for all. All right, uh, 00:01:19.467 --> 00:01:22.200 please be advised that the public hearings are recorded in 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:26.467 televised live on cable television and web stream over 00:01:26.467 --> 00:01:28.734 the internet at Brooklynpark.org. 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Please note that the agenda for tonight’s 00:01:57.133 --> 00:01:59.667 meeting indicates the commission chair has the 00:01:59.667 --> 00:02:04.100 prerogative to invoke a time limit for speakers during any 00:02:04.100 --> 00:02:06.734 public hearing in the interest of maintaining focus and 00:02:06.734 --> 00:02:09.734 effective use of time. Thank you in advance for your 00:02:09.734 --> 00:02:14.533 cooperation. The planning commission consists of 9 00:02:14.533 --> 00:02:16.667 resident volunteer members appointed by the city council 00:02:16.667 --> 00:02:21.500 to advise the city council on planning and land use issues. 00:02:21.500 --> 00:02:25.200 The commission discusses and evaluates development proposals 00:02:25.200 --> 00:02:29.467 based on zoning regulations and comprehensive plan policies. 00:02:29.467 --> 00:02:32.634 The planning commission vote is a recommendation that is 00:02:32.634 --> 00:02:38.533 forwarded to the city council for official and final action. 00:02:38.533 --> 00:02:46.000 All right, we’ll move to the next agenda item, um. The, uh, 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:51.867 and that’s the approval of the agenda, um, any discussions? 00:02:51.867 --> 00:02:58.867 Any ads or changes. All right, uh, 9, not hearing any, uh, can 00:02:58.867 --> 00:03:05.800 I get a motion to approve the agenda. So, all right, the blue, 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:10.667 uh, the item that’s been moved. Can I get a second? Second All 00:03:10.667 --> 00:03:17.500 right, the motion has been 2nd, uh, All in favor say aye, aye. 00:03:17.500 --> 00:03:21.367 Any opposed? All right, we’ll move to the, uh, the motion 00:03:21.367 --> 00:03:27.734 carries. We’ll move to the next agenda item, but that’s the uh 00:03:27.734 --> 00:03:32.567 consent agenda, uh, and, uh, approval of minutes dated April 00:03:32.567 --> 00:03:40.400 9th, 2025, the regular meeting, um, are there uh Any, uh, 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:45.800 anything here we need to discuss, changes, additions? 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:49.533 All right, not seeing any, uh, can I get a motion? For 00:03:49.533 --> 00:03:52.734 approval of the consent agenda, including the meeting minutes. 00:03:52.734 --> 00:03:59.367 Most of All right, motion has been made. Can I get a second, 00:03:59.367 --> 00:04:05.734 2nd. All right, the motion has been 2nd, uh. All in favor say 00:04:05.734 --> 00:04:17.467 aye. Uh, and he opposes. All right, motion carries. uh, this. 00:04:17.467 --> 00:04:28.500 Uh 1.61 duties. All right. I think that’s part of the 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:32.834 consent agenda. Um, all right, we’ll move to the next item 5.1. 00:04:32.834 --> 00:04:38.233 Good evening, Chairca in members of the planning 00:04:38.233 --> 00:04:41.467 commission, for the record, senior planner Aaron McDermott 00:04:41.467 --> 00:04:46.000 here to present a park common experience requests, planning 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:55.233 case number development. A D 25108. Um On behalf of 7625 00:04:55.233 --> 00:05:03.734 Holdings LLC. Um The Principal property is located along Bono 00:05:03.734 --> 00:05:07.033 Boulevard and Brooklyn Boulevard, um. In our TODC 00:05:07.033 --> 00:05:12.367 zoning. It is right on the corner bounded by on three 00:05:12.367 --> 00:05:15.634 sides by public rights of way, Brooklyn Boulevard, Bono 00:05:15.634 --> 00:05:20.300 Boulevard, and Jolly Lane. There are 3 existing structures 00:05:20.300 --> 00:05:26.100 on the site, all constructed in 1993. The variance request 00:05:26.100 --> 00:05:29.900 before you tonight is for the, the Northwest building, um, 00:05:29.900 --> 00:05:33.634 many of you may be familiar with the location it is where 00:05:33.634 --> 00:05:37.867 uh there’s hooks, fish and chicken, um, and the Chipotle. 00:05:37.867 --> 00:05:44.900 As well as Panda Express. Um, the property is owned TODC 00:05:44.900 --> 00:05:48.634 transit-oriented development center uh to the north is a B4 00:05:48.634 --> 00:05:51.734 vehicle sales and showroom property and then on the 00:05:51.734 --> 00:05:56.200 opposite side of Bono Boulevard is the eye General Industrial 00:05:56.200 --> 00:06:02.634 zoning. Um The applicant has provided a number of visuals 00:06:02.634 --> 00:06:06.200 tonight before we, before I get into that, I would like to just 00:06:06.200 --> 00:06:10.033 remind this body about variances so that we can talk 00:06:10.033 --> 00:06:13.800 through the request before us, uh, while looking at these, um, 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:17.934 in addition to being a zoning requirement, variances are 00:06:17.934 --> 00:06:24.867 governed by Minnesota statute for 62.357 subdivision 6, which 00:06:24.867 --> 00:06:27.100 there are statutory regulations that we have to consider in 00:06:27.100 --> 00:06:29.767 addition to the zoning regulations, uh, first. and 00:06:29.767 --> 00:06:34.100 foremost so that they meet all three factors of the 00:06:34.100 --> 00:06:39.266 three-factor test, uh, which are in the findings of fact. 00:06:39.266 --> 00:06:45.133 Resolution attached in your packet. Um, so, The first 00:06:45.133 --> 00:06:50.467 factor for a variance that needs to be met. is a factor of 00:06:50.467 --> 00:06:52.734 reasonableness. The variance before you tonight is for a 00:06:52.734 --> 00:06:57.266 drive-thru. That will be wrapping around the exterior of 00:06:57.266 --> 00:07:04.400 the building. Uh, the zoning code under section 152904 E1 00:07:04.400 --> 00:07:07.367 states that a drive-through cannot be between the principal 00:07:07.367 --> 00:07:11.900 structure and rights of way. So in this case, the zoning code 00:07:11.900 --> 00:07:14.533 would not allow for the drive-through to go where it 00:07:14.533 --> 00:07:18.800 needs to go for it to exist on this site. Um, so for a factor 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:20.934 of reasonableness, a drive-through is a reasonable 00:07:20.934 --> 00:07:24.266 use. It is permitted with a conditional use permit in the 00:07:24.266 --> 00:07:31.100 zoning district. Uh, so for the second factor, which is that 00:07:31.100 --> 00:07:33.367 the landowner’s problem is due to circumstances unique to the 00:07:33.367 --> 00:07:38.133 property, which were not caused by the landowner. Um, the site 00:07:38.133 --> 00:07:40.467 was developed at a time where the zoning district looked very 00:07:40.467 --> 00:07:44.400 different. Um, zoning regulations have changed 00:07:44.400 --> 00:07:47.133 substantially, and so this, this site is considered legally 00:07:47.133 --> 00:07:52.934 nonconforming. In order to continue use of this site, um. 00:07:52.934 --> 00:07:55.734 As it is without having to, you know, tear everything down and 00:07:55.734 --> 00:07:58.867 redevelop it up to the new standards, which isn’t. You 00:07:58.867 --> 00:08:02.734 know, a reasonable request of the property owner, um. They 00:08:02.734 --> 00:08:07.634 would just not be able to have this drive through. Um, and, 00:08:07.634 --> 00:08:11.667 and there are a number of other existing legally nonconforming 00:08:11.667 --> 00:08:17.000 drive-throughs in the area. So this is not a different Um Use 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.934 in the zoning district, which also launches into the third 00:08:20.934 --> 00:08:24.533 factor that it will not alter the essential character of the 00:08:24.533 --> 00:08:28.734 neighborhood. Um, with this, the applicant has addressed the 00:08:28.734 --> 00:08:31.100 fact that the essential character of the neighborhood 00:08:31.100 --> 00:08:35.367 is involved in having active uses and many of the businesses 00:08:35.367 --> 00:08:38.400 in this area are leaving. Um, they have a number of vacancies 00:08:38.400 --> 00:08:43.266 just on this property alone. Uh, so to, to avoid altering that 00:08:43.266 --> 00:08:45.266 essential character of the neighborhood. They would like 00:08:45.266 --> 00:08:47.934 to make sure that they’re able To accommodate their tenants. 00:08:47.934 --> 00:08:52.900 Um, through the insulation of this. drive-through. Um, the 00:08:52.900 --> 00:08:55.934 variance request is the only thing that is before you 00:08:55.934 --> 00:08:59.734 tonight. The applicant wants to make sure that the variance is 00:08:59.734 --> 00:09:03.000 approvable before they spend the money to have all of the 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:08.934 engineered plans created for the site plan, um, So After 00:09:08.934 --> 00:09:13.734 approval of the variant. They, they will put the investment in 00:09:13.734 --> 00:09:18.400 for the site plan review as well as the conditional use 00:09:18.400 --> 00:09:21.233 permit review and this request, you’ll see that request come 00:09:21.233 --> 00:09:24.867 before this body. When they when they’ve got all those 00:09:24.867 --> 00:09:31.300 documents prepared. Um The site plan that they’re proposing, so 00:09:31.300 --> 00:09:36.533 this is their their schedule plan. They’ll, um. They are 00:09:36.533 --> 00:09:39.367 also proposing civic space along the sidewalk. Um, with 00:09:39.367 --> 00:09:43.467 this, just to make it more pedestrian friendly as is the 00:09:43.467 --> 00:09:45.567 intent with the transit-oriented development 00:09:45.567 --> 00:09:52.467 center district. Um, with the They’re showing the Drive 00:09:52.467 --> 00:09:54.900 through going west, counterclockwise around the 00:09:54.900 --> 00:09:58.467 building, um, and they did create um a pass by lane in 00:09:58.467 --> 00:10:02.767 case there are any emergencies just to make sure that they’re 00:10:02.767 --> 00:10:07.533 able to accommodate that. Uh, staff recommendation is that 00:10:07.533 --> 00:10:11.367 You consider and adopt the findings of fact as proposed in 00:10:11.367 --> 00:10:14.533 the draft resolution, and that concludesas’s presentation. 00:10:14.533 --> 00:10:17.667 Thank you, Mr. Chair, can I interject something real quick 00:10:17.667 --> 00:10:20.367 before we move on, just wanted to know I had a voicemail just 00:10:20.367 --> 00:10:23.533 now from the applicant, uh, who was on his way here and had car 00:10:23.533 --> 00:10:26.133 trouble, his car broke down, so he just wanted me to convey 00:10:26.133 --> 00:10:29.367 that he didn’t mean any disrespect to the process, but 00:10:29.367 --> 00:10:34.834 I just couldn’t get here. All right, thank you. Um, Aaron, uh, 00:10:34.834 --> 00:10:37.367 would you summarize those three points again, just brief 00:10:37.367 --> 00:10:41.100 summary on. The variants that uh those three. Bullets that, 00:10:41.100 --> 00:10:45.467 uh, We need to consider. Yes, sure, Kevin. Ari, you, do you 00:10:45.467 --> 00:10:50.467 want just the three-factor test or the applicant’s 00:10:50.467 --> 00:10:53.467 reasonableness, uniqueness, and central character, so they use 00:10:53.467 --> 00:10:56.767 is reasonable, there are unique circumstances that are 00:10:56.767 --> 00:10:59.533 prohibiting them from meeting the exact letter of the code, 00:10:59.533 --> 00:11:02.133 and that it won’t alter the essential character of the 00:11:02.133 --> 00:11:06.834 neighborhood. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. All right, 00:11:06.834 --> 00:11:12.100 uh, we will open it up for the public to anyone from the 00:11:12.100 --> 00:11:19.100 public like to Speak to this item. All right, not saying any, 00:11:19.100 --> 00:11:23.266 we will close the uh public portion. I’ll bring it back to 00:11:23.266 --> 00:11:32.934 the commissioners. Any, uh, Questions or For the 00:11:32.934 --> 00:11:35.367 drive-through, just for clarity, it’s building one and it would 00:11:35.367 --> 00:11:40.400 go. West, she said, and is it available to any tenant in 00:11:40.400 --> 00:11:43.133 there or is it one specific tenant that’s asking for it 00:11:43.133 --> 00:11:46.867 because I’m not quite sure what I can picture in my mind for 00:11:46.867 --> 00:11:49.467 safety wise, chair cave and members of the planning 00:11:49.467 --> 00:11:53.834 commission, thank you, uh, chair or commissioner Borer, um, 00:11:53.834 --> 00:11:58.033 this is specifically for Chipotle, who has occupied the 00:11:58.033 --> 00:12:01.467 building since 2003. Um, currently, Chipotle’s business 00:12:01.467 --> 00:12:05.533 model is to include a Chipotle lane, and, and so because they 00:12:05.533 --> 00:12:07.834 have been a longtime tenant, the property owner is hoping to 00:12:07.834 --> 00:12:13.533 work with them to ensure that they stay in this location. You 00:12:13.533 --> 00:12:16.800 said AAA, Chipotle. I said AAA. I don’t know there’s a AAA 00:12:16.800 --> 00:12:21.033 there. Chipotle. That makes more sense. Mhm. I know, I, 00:12:21.033 --> 00:12:24.200 that’s what I thought it was for, but I Just want to clarify 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:32.667 Looks good. Um, the, uh, uh, At the time of fire department 00:12:32.667 --> 00:12:36.133 will review it looks the the lane to get around the 00:12:36.133 --> 00:12:38.834 perimeter looks kind of tight, uh, maybe it’s just the 00:12:38.834 --> 00:12:42.367 architecture or what I’m looking for, but the uh fire 00:12:42.367 --> 00:12:45.467 department everyone will look at it, uh, at that time. 00:12:45.467 --> 00:12:48.734 Cherhan, yes, I would like to confirm that during the site 00:12:48.734 --> 00:12:52.000 plan review all divisions of the city will look at it. 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:57.467 Sounds great and uh we will, um, uh, any landscaping require, uh, 00:12:57.467 --> 00:13:00.100 they’ll continue to maintain that landscaping requirement as 00:13:00.100 --> 00:13:02.634 well. That’s correct the impacted properties will be 00:13:02.634 --> 00:13:11.200 required to meet the current code. Awesome. Anyone else 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:24.533 Commissioner O’Donnell. Um I just have a quick question here, 00:13:24.533 --> 00:13:28.467 um, I was looking at the, uh, Drive through area and um you 00:13:28.467 --> 00:13:33.634 know, it’s got that one. Um, area that you know, cars will 00:13:33.634 --> 00:13:38.033 come in and knowing Chipotle. Um, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s 00:13:38.033 --> 00:13:41.166 gonna be a kind of busy in there and there’s also like a, 00:13:41.166 --> 00:13:45.867 a chicken place in there and some other restaurants. So, um, 00:13:45.867 --> 00:13:52.734 With all that What is uh What consideration is given to how 00:13:52.734 --> 00:13:56.000 the traffic is going to flow in that area. Will there be 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.100 another open land somewhere to um mitigate the uh flow of 00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:04.100 traffic. Cherhaven members of the planning commission, um, I 00:14:04.100 --> 00:14:07.266 just, I would like to request clarification before I give you 00:14:07.266 --> 00:14:11.467 a firm answer, but are you talking about vehicular traffic 00:14:11.467 --> 00:14:15.367 or pedestrian? I’m talking about mostly vehicular traffic 00:14:15.367 --> 00:14:17.800 since this is going to be like a drive-through, and I don’t 00:14:17.800 --> 00:14:22.300 see a lot of uh A pedestrians are, you know, you delight in 00:14:22.300 --> 00:14:27.467 that service. Uh, so that is a consideration that we will look 00:14:27.467 --> 00:14:30.667 at for vehicular circulation, um, when we do our site plan 00:14:30.667 --> 00:14:33.133 reviews, we do requests that our engineering team take a 00:14:33.133 --> 00:14:36.233 look at it just from a vehicular flow standpoint, uh, 00:14:36.233 --> 00:14:39.367 so that will be reviewed at the time, um, we do, I do 00:14:39.367 --> 00:14:44.200 acknowledge that there, there’s a very tight. Area through 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:48.367 between those two buildings, uh, and that has been brought up 00:14:48.367 --> 00:14:53.100 with our applicant and his architectural team, um, so they 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:57.400 will be looking at more options as they move forward with the 00:14:57.400 --> 00:15:00.634 site plan. So this is just their sketch plan. It’s not set 00:15:00.634 --> 00:15:03.467 in stone. There may be modifications when the site 00:15:03.467 --> 00:15:17.133 plan comes before you. Right. So, uh I think in this, uh. you 00:15:17.133 --> 00:15:22.033 know, building that are multi tenants, right? There used to 00:15:22.033 --> 00:15:28.367 be caribou. Used to be I think Panda Express. Still there, 00:15:28.367 --> 00:15:34.834 right Still Still there, right? So. Would this You know Uh, 00:15:34.834 --> 00:15:42.300 drives through. Only for Chipotle or it also covers if 00:15:42.300 --> 00:15:49.133 interest arises for. Other tenants uh to, to use those uh 00:15:49.133 --> 00:15:51.266 facilities, you know. Thank you, Chair and members of the 00:15:51.266 --> 00:15:56.133 planning commission, this will only be for Chipotle, um, there 00:15:56.133 --> 00:15:59.533 are 3 buildings on the site if there need were to arise, we 00:15:59.533 --> 00:16:03.667 would be able to work with the property owner to see if 00:16:03.667 --> 00:16:05.734 additional drive-throughs were needed. If there was any way 00:16:05.734 --> 00:16:10.533 that we could reorganize, like to help them with that. But at 00:16:10.533 --> 00:16:13.367 this time there’s no interest for their other tenants to have 00:16:13.367 --> 00:16:16.934 a drive-through. This is only for that Chipotle tenant. So 00:16:16.934 --> 00:16:21.900 would, would the drive-through covers the Entire, I mean this 00:16:21.900 --> 00:16:24.033 buildings are connected to one another, so with the 00:16:24.033 --> 00:16:28.667 drive-through cover. All of this, you know, building circle 00:16:28.667 --> 00:16:33.300 or it comes from. Yes, it will, it will completely encircle the 00:16:33.300 --> 00:16:37.834 building, but it will only serve the one tenant. OK. So 00:16:37.834 --> 00:16:42.533 it’s utilization is one tenant, but it’s in circles the whole. 00:16:42.533 --> 00:16:53.200 Building, that’s great. OK, thanks. You’re man. All right. 00:16:53.200 --> 00:17:01.266 Any other? Questions. Oh JJ’s fish. All right, not seeing any, 00:17:01.266 --> 00:17:11.634 uh, can I get a motion? Commissioner Put him on the 00:17:11.634 --> 00:17:20.033 spot, huh? No OK, Commissioner Bohr, would you. Would you turn 00:17:20.033 --> 00:17:24.734 on your mic, please? Can make a motion to adopt findings of 00:17:24.734 --> 00:17:27.000 fact for the approval of a variance request for a 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:33.800 deviation from zoning code section 152. 904 E1 for the 00:17:33.800 --> 00:17:35.934 construction of a drive-through between the principal structure 00:17:35.934 --> 00:17:39.767 and public rights of way at 7631 Jolly Lane North, subject 00:17:39.767 --> 00:17:43.400 to the conditions in the draft resolution. Thank you. Uh, can 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:50.467 I get a second? motion has been made. It has been 2nd, uh, any 00:17:50.467 --> 00:18:01.100 further discussion. Not any, uh, let’s, uh, vote all in favor, 00:18:01.100 --> 00:18:08.133 say aye. Any oppose? All right, motion carries. This will go to 00:18:08.133 --> 00:18:19.367 city council May 20th. All right, thanks. All right, we’ll 00:18:19.367 --> 00:18:28.367 move to the next agenda item, uh, 5.2. Uh, good evening to 00:18:28.367 --> 00:18:31.000 cap and members of the planning commission for the record, Matt 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.667 Hayes, freaking associate planner with the City of 00:18:33.667 --> 00:18:37.867 Brooklyn Park, uh, presenting Soda Shine, uh, applications 00:18:37.867 --> 00:18:41.100 for site plan review and a conditional use permit. Um, 00:18:41.100 --> 00:18:44.800 from the applicants, uh, sort of China is proposing a unique 00:18:44.800 --> 00:18:48.467 car wash to serve the Minnesota market by providing a 00:18:48.467 --> 00:18:52.367 first-class top grade car wash, along with an indoor vacuum and 00:18:52.367 --> 00:18:56.100 car care facility. The indoor facility will be the first of 00:18:56.100 --> 00:18:59.834 its kind in Minnesota, and will be a record-breaking facility 00:18:59.834 --> 00:19:03.200 as the longest car wash tunnel in the world. It will provide a 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.266 great new setting for people to take care of their vehicles in 00:19:06.266 --> 00:19:12.634 the middle of a messy Minnesota winters. Um, so to shine is 00:19:12.634 --> 00:19:15.467 proposing their 3rd location near the southeast quadrant of 00:19:15.467 --> 00:19:20.100 the intersection of 10 9th Avenue North and Highway 169. 00:19:20.100 --> 00:19:24.467 Um, and as mentioned this this submission includes two 00:19:24.467 --> 00:19:27.634 applications, the site plan review and a CUP request for 00:19:27.634 --> 00:19:37.133 the operation of the car wash. So the site vicinity map I 00:19:37.133 --> 00:19:39.467 chose is actually from the preliminary and final path that 00:19:39.467 --> 00:19:44.634 was approved by this body last month. Um, and this location of 00:19:44.634 --> 00:19:48.867 the proposed development as is on undeveloped property in the 00:19:48.867 --> 00:19:51.867 business park zoning district and the planned development 00:19:51.867 --> 00:19:55.467 overlay district in the northwest North Park Northwest 00:19:55.467 --> 00:20:02.467 corner mixed-use development. Um Planning case development 00:20:02.467 --> 00:20:04.467 number 25103 approved the preliminary and final plots for 00:20:04.467 --> 00:20:09.300 the creation of two lots. And 3 outlets in the North Park 00:20:09.300 --> 00:20:13.400 Center 10th edition, and the subject here on the map, um, 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:18.400 highlight, highlighted or um It’s in red, um, the subject 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:21.000 property will be located on what is the subdivision slot 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:27.934 one block one. As detailed on the final plot. So here you can 00:20:27.934 --> 00:20:31.800 see the zoning, um, to the north is the city of Champlain, 00:20:31.800 --> 00:20:40.133 and um, For this particular location, um, it’s to, um, it’s 00:20:40.133 --> 00:20:43.000 highlighting the entirety of the North Park area, but most 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.533 of it will be within that business park, but you do see 00:20:46.533 --> 00:20:49.800 its proximity where there are detached single family and two 00:20:49.800 --> 00:20:53.467 family residential districts, so the R3 district to the east 00:20:53.467 --> 00:20:57.800 along with detached single family estate are one districts, 00:20:57.800 --> 00:21:01.634 um, also to the east. And then you have the urban reserve, um, 00:21:01.634 --> 00:21:03.734 that is marked for the Northwest Growth Area Plan. out 00:21:03.734 --> 00:21:08.934 to the west. Uh, the BP district, uh, is a district 00:21:08.934 --> 00:21:12.200 designed to provide areas in which to locate businesses that 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:15.400 enhance the city’s tax base. Um, have few customers coming to 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:20.400 the site, but may have a large employee base. Uh, involving 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:23.934 manufacturing, warehousing, office uses, and other 00:21:23.934 --> 00:21:27.133 accessory retail and services offered on site to serve the 00:21:27.133 --> 00:21:30.400 primary use of their employees. The properties and buildings in 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.734 this district must be designed to promote a campus-like 00:21:33.734 --> 00:21:37.200 setting that exhibits a landscape theme and high 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.467 quality exterior building materials. You can also see on 00:21:39.467 --> 00:21:42.634 the zoning map, um, that there’s a planned development 00:21:42.634 --> 00:21:47.467 overlay. So this property is governed by ordinance number, 00:21:47.467 --> 00:21:52.200 uh, 2015, 1193, which rezoned the property from urban reserve, 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.033 uh, with highway overlay, the business park with planned 00:21:55.033 --> 00:21:58.133 development overlay, and the purpose of the POD is to 00:21:58.133 --> 00:22:01.367 promote creative and efficient uses of land by providing 00:22:01.367 --> 00:22:04.533 design flexibility in the application of the provisions 00:22:04.533 --> 00:22:08.533 of a primary zoning district by um by providing an overlay 00:22:08.533 --> 00:22:13.100 district. on top of any of the primary zoning districts, um. I 00:22:13.100 --> 00:22:16.900 just stressed that because, um, as you saw in the staff report, 00:22:16.900 --> 00:22:20.266 you also saw that the specific criteria for this specific 00:22:20.266 --> 00:22:22.767 overlay, um, and then the analysis on how those 00:22:22.767 --> 00:22:25.367 provisions that were applicable, how they were being met by the 00:22:25.367 --> 00:22:32.500 application submittal. So for the site plan, um, site plan 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:35.000 approval is required for the construction of a structure, 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:38.266 but the grading or taking any action to prepare a site for 00:22:38.266 --> 00:22:40.834 development and for when we’re uh removing earth, soils, 00:22:40.834 --> 00:22:45.133 gravel, or other natural materials from um or place uh 00:22:45.133 --> 00:22:49.367 the same on a site. The staff has reviewed the site plan, uh, 00:22:49.367 --> 00:22:53.200 according to the code requirements, um, and, uh, 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:57.467 against the required lot lines, the lot in building dimensions, 00:22:57.467 --> 00:22:59.634 parking and building setbacks, and staff has confirmed that 00:22:59.634 --> 00:23:03.300 they’re after their review that the final site plan does meet 00:23:03.300 --> 00:23:05.567 zoning code requirements. Um, in addition to the site plan, 00:23:05.567 --> 00:23:08.567 um, I hope you had an opportunity just to see the 00:23:08.567 --> 00:23:10.734 lengthy submission that the applicants did provide. Um, it 00:23:10.734 --> 00:23:15.233 was a very thorough submission that included existing 00:23:15.233 --> 00:23:18.834 conditions survey, uh, a proposed, um, uh, building 00:23:18.834 --> 00:23:23.667 footprint. Preliminary grading and drainage plans, utility 00:23:23.667 --> 00:23:26.834 plans, landscape plans and screening plans, all of which 00:23:26.834 --> 00:23:31.100 has been um reviewed by city staff, um, along with this site 00:23:31.100 --> 00:23:35.867 plan application. Here is a rendering of what the 00:23:35.867 --> 00:23:42.200 elevations um are as proposed. For this location? And then 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:47.567 here is a 3D rendering of what it potentially could look like. 00:23:47.567 --> 00:23:53.000 I did just want to highlight here, um, the, the finish, the 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:57.166 exterior finish schedule in particular, um, section 152, 00:23:57.166 --> 00:24:00.867 1005 of the zoning code establishes building and design 00:24:00.867 --> 00:24:04.934 standards for a non-residential properties, um, applicants have 00:24:04.934 --> 00:24:09.734 the option, uh, to, to, to use one of two exterior material 00:24:09.734 --> 00:24:13.133 schedules. So for this project, the can’t proposed using the 00:24:13.133 --> 00:24:16.500 following material schedule of cast stone, uh, two different 00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:19.634 metal types, two different precast concrete types and 00:24:19.634 --> 00:24:26.100 stone. Um, it, it is my interpretation as staff that 00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:32.367 this um is uh. A good, uh, give me one second. I just want to 00:24:32.367 --> 00:24:37.100 go back to what the PDO requirement was for um the 00:24:37.100 --> 00:24:46.800 expectations. Yeah, yeah, that, the exterior schedule as 00:24:46.800 --> 00:24:52.100 presented, um. Demonstrates that this development is 00:24:52.100 --> 00:24:56.867 superior in quality and design, um. Because of this PDO over 00:24:56.867 --> 00:25:01.667 overlay. Um, so that’s for the site plan. Now for the 00:25:01.667 --> 00:25:06.000 conditional use permit, um, Car washes are conditional use 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.800 permit in the BP district, um, and the following factors that 00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:14.734 are on the screen are to, uh, are to be what are what are 00:25:14.734 --> 00:25:18.266 used when making a determination, uh, for 00:25:18.266 --> 00:25:20.467 conditional use permit application. Planning staff has 00:25:20.467 --> 00:25:23.667 reviewed the plan against these requirements and determine that 00:25:23.667 --> 00:25:28.467 the requirements have been met. And on the display here is the 00:25:28.467 --> 00:25:31.467 conditions of approval for this specific conditional use permit. 00:25:31.467 --> 00:25:38.000 Um This, uh, using these factors, staff determined that 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.800 the following conditions, uh, were taken were a combination 00:25:42.800 --> 00:25:44.367 of the non-residential performance standards for car 00:25:44.367 --> 00:25:48.200 washes in the zoning code, as well as applicable city and 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:54.500 state code requirements. So for staff’s recommendation, um, 00:25:54.500 --> 00:25:56.800 we’re recommending approval of the site plan review for the 00:25:56.800 --> 00:26:01.133 construction of a car wash, um, located and address to be 00:26:01.133 --> 00:26:04.133 determined. And then also approval of the conditional use 00:26:04.133 --> 00:26:06.867 permit for the operation of that car wash at the same 00:26:06.867 --> 00:26:11.467 address to be determined. That is staff’s presentation. I’ll 00:26:11.467 --> 00:26:19.166 stand for any questions. Thank you. Uh, That this time is the 00:26:19.166 --> 00:26:22.734 applicant here. They like to speak to. Yes, the applicant is 00:26:22.734 --> 00:26:28.800 here. You don’t have to, but I don’t know if you want. OK. Why 00:26:28.800 --> 00:26:37.200 not Not sure the rules. Uh, I’m uh Nick Netley, one of the 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.100 owners of Sodershein, um. Pretty stoked about this 00:26:41.100 --> 00:26:45.767 location, um, be able to break a world record in length, um, 00:26:45.767 --> 00:26:48.934 done, uh, this is our 3rd location, uh, what the first 00:26:48.934 --> 00:26:51.767 one’s in Waconia. Second one’s Maple Grove, and then this will 00:26:51.767 --> 00:26:56.066 be the hopefully the 3rd 1, um. But yeah, I think I came to 00:26:56.066 --> 00:27:01.367 this kind of epiphany of indoor vacuuming over this winter. 00:27:01.367 --> 00:27:03.100 It’s like you’re just dying outside trying to vacuum your 00:27:03.100 --> 00:27:04.800 car. So it’s like, you know what, I think we can do this 00:27:04.800 --> 00:27:08.800 better. And so, It’s a big building, uh, but at the same 00:27:08.800 --> 00:27:13.100 time, I think, I think people are gonna love it, um, and 00:27:13.100 --> 00:27:15.266 location’s great, great traffic counts, that’s what we’re 00:27:15.266 --> 00:27:20.000 looking for in car washes is traffic counts, um. But, uh, 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:25.000 this one will be a 305 ft car wash tunnel. The old record is 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.667 255, and then we’ll have a 33 indoor vacuums too, so. Awesome. 00:27:28.667 --> 00:27:34.000 Yeah. Can you tell me a little more about the overall 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:39.500 operation, so, uh. So folks drive in and what happens? 00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:43.000 Correct, so basically we have our 3 stacking lanes and so 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.867 stack up there, um, the two outside lanes are for members, 00:27:45.867 --> 00:27:49.400 and then the inside lanes for people who pay, um, then you 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.533 pull up to the entrance of the car wash, you enter the car 00:27:52.533 --> 00:27:55.300 wash, and then after you get done, you can choose to leave 00:27:55.300 --> 00:27:58.634 or go home or you wrap around the building to go into the 00:27:58.634 --> 00:28:01.300 indoor vas, and we kind of designed it like that, because 00:28:01.300 --> 00:28:04.800 at the indoor vas are full, you can keep making a continuous 00:28:04.800 --> 00:28:07.634 loop until a spot opens up, so we kind of addressed the 00:28:07.634 --> 00:28:10.734 potential backup spot in the kind of the back, the back lane, 00:28:10.734 --> 00:28:13.000 cause people are gonna probably be there for a while, um, 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:17.734 because it’s making it pretty comfortable for him inside, so, 00:28:17.734 --> 00:28:22.000 um, yeah, so basically you can leave, it’s about a 5-minute 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.233 wash, um, but I would say the majority of the people were 00:28:25.233 --> 00:28:30.100 probably going and use the vacuums too, so yeah. So, uh, 00:28:30.100 --> 00:28:34.800 no, uh, rest like, you know, food or anything inside that, 00:28:34.800 --> 00:28:38.467 no, we do have a cleaning. station inside, so again in 00:28:38.467 --> 00:28:40.934 Minnesota winters, maths get gross and so basically we have 00:28:40.934 --> 00:28:43.367 a kind of a centralized uh power wash station so you can 00:28:43.367 --> 00:28:46.467 walk the mats up to us and we’ll clean for free for you, 00:28:46.467 --> 00:28:51.367 um, and get, get them back. So, yeah, but no food of any good 00:28:51.367 --> 00:28:53.166 public restrooms and, I think we do have, uh, I think we have 00:28:53.166 --> 00:28:56.834 one in there, Boyd. Yeah, we have one public restroom, yeah. 00:28:56.834 --> 00:29:01.767 OK. Um, I’m gonna get to the public and then I’ll come back 00:29:01.767 --> 00:29:07.834 to the planning, uh, um. All right, uh, perfect. I may have 00:29:07.834 --> 00:29:10.033 a couple more questions uh for you afterwards here. Sounds 00:29:10.033 --> 00:29:16.400 good. Thank you. Right, uh, well, uh, opening up to the 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.734 public. Anyone who would like to speak, please come to the, 00:29:18.734 --> 00:29:31.500 uh Podium and state your name, address. Good evening. I’m 00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:35.634 Bonnie O’Brien. I live at 8203 100 9th Place North. I’m right 00:29:35.634 --> 00:29:40.533 on the corner of 109th and Xylon Lane. So I do have some 00:29:40.533 --> 00:29:43.634 questions. I’m not sure if you can answer them here or if this 00:29:43.634 --> 00:29:46.900 is for the city council, but I would be interested to know 00:29:46.900 --> 00:29:52.266 what are the hours of operation? Um, is this a 24 hour service 00:29:52.266 --> 00:29:58.100 is or not, uh, is it 7 days a week? Uh, when would the 00:29:58.100 --> 00:30:02.367 construction start and complete, would it be going on while that 00:30:02.367 --> 00:30:05.000 street is being constructed? Is this something coming up rather 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:12.467 quickly. And then, um, will the construction also follow the 00:30:12.467 --> 00:30:15.667 quiet times that Champlain has of not starting before 7 a.m. 00:30:15.667 --> 00:30:19.400 That has been a big issue with the other buildings that have 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.934 been built in that same spot and like I said, I live on the 00:30:22.934 --> 00:30:28.467 corner. And those construction vehicles beeping at 5:45 every 00:30:28.467 --> 00:30:34.834 morning is not really Very, um, Conducive to sleeping. And 00:30:34.834 --> 00:30:38.634 Champlain does have a 7 a.m. quiet time, so that is a big 00:30:38.634 --> 00:30:42.367 concern. And then as a resident within 500 ft, will we be 00:30:42.367 --> 00:30:47.734 notified when this goes before the city council. All right, 00:30:47.734 --> 00:30:53.000 thank you. We will uh address. those shortly if we can. Anyone 00:30:53.000 --> 00:31:01.634 else from the public. I’d like to speak to this. I. All right, 00:31:01.634 --> 00:31:06.467 not, uh, uh, send any, we’ll close the public portion of it, 00:31:06.467 --> 00:31:10.767 uh, bring it back to the commissioner and uh Uh, the 00:31:10.767 --> 00:31:15.467 staff, so we have the questions. Do you have uh some preliminary 00:31:15.467 --> 00:31:19.200 answers or answers that Yes, I will probably defer to, I, I 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.100 know, um, the applicants have specific information about 00:31:22.100 --> 00:31:24.000 their hours of operations, so I will defer to them um and 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:28.867 invite them back up, but, um, this is scheduled to go to um 00:31:28.867 --> 00:31:32.667 um your recommendation would go to the May 28th City council 00:31:32.667 --> 00:31:35.467 meeting. So, um I can answer that question. Um, I don’t know 00:31:35.467 --> 00:31:39.100 if you want to speak to hours of operation. Um, I can’t say 00:31:39.100 --> 00:31:43.367 if approved, the site plan. Um. I, I don’t know the timeline 00:31:43.367 --> 00:31:45.934 necessarily for development. As you know, this is a, this was 00:31:45.934 --> 00:31:49.767 just a subdivision at last month, um, they would have up 00:31:49.767 --> 00:31:57.667 until um. December of 2026, um, to complete construction, or to 00:31:57.667 --> 00:32:03.467 ask for an additional, um, your extension. From staff. Sounds 00:32:03.467 --> 00:32:09.467 great cause I, uh. Snell put in the infrastructure for? This at 00:32:09.467 --> 00:32:15.266 this time, um. I don’t think so. Not yet, because of the, as 00:32:15.266 --> 00:32:18.467 Matt said, the subdivision was just approved, um, so they’ll 00:32:18.467 --> 00:32:21.800 be working on the infrastructure this summer, um, 00:32:21.800 --> 00:32:26.467 and, uh, to the question from the resident about, um, quiet 00:32:26.467 --> 00:32:28.634 hours, yes, so the city of Brooklyn Park does have a 00:32:28.634 --> 00:32:32.000 similar ordinance to what Champlain has, um, quiet hours 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:37.166 end at 7 in the morning. So if you do or if you are hearing 00:32:37.166 --> 00:32:41.400 construction activities, either, you know, on 109th or on 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:45.200 private property related to the Um, please do let us know and 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.800 report that so that we can follow up um with the 00:32:47.800 --> 00:32:52.100 appropriate folks to rectify that. Does the county have to 00:32:52.100 --> 00:32:56.467 follow those same rules if uh if it’s the roadwork or state. 00:32:56.467 --> 00:33:03.000 Everybody’s expected to, yeah, right. Awesome. Um, the, uh, uh, 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.500 uh. Representative, if you want to speak to the hours of 00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:22.166 operation. Mm Again, uh, Nick Netley, one of the owners of 00:33:22.166 --> 00:33:26.367 Soda Shine. Um, so other car washes are open till 8, so 00:33:26.367 --> 00:33:30.533 we’re probably can do something similar. This is gonna have an 00:33:30.533 --> 00:33:34.800 indoor feature, so. You know, it’ll be light inside because 00:33:34.800 --> 00:33:37.300 it typically it dies down pretty good, um, during the 00:33:37.300 --> 00:33:41.300 winter time, uh, at like 5 o’clock, honestly, but 00:33:41.300 --> 00:33:45.634 summertime, I would say. We anticipate 8 o’clock, maybe 9 00:33:45.634 --> 00:33:49.667 if you find like there’s a need for it now that we have indoor 00:33:49.667 --> 00:33:52.100 lighting to vacuum your stuff out, so, but I would say in 00:33:52.100 --> 00:33:58.400 that 8 to 9 hour range. So, but 8 o’clock is our other two car 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:04.133 washes. Do you have uh, so typically we open up at 77 a.m. 00:34:04.133 --> 00:34:09.166 to 7 to 8 other locations, yeah. OK. Yeah. Um, and do you 00:34:09.166 --> 00:34:14.266 operate 7 days a week? Yep, so. It’s um car washes all like a 00:34:14.266 --> 00:34:17.000 membership platform now, so yeah, it’s, it’s 7 days a week, 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.533 yeah. Now, bad weather, we might shut down for bad weather 00:34:19.533 --> 00:34:21.400 or something like that, but typically, yeah, it’s uh it’s 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:25.100 gonna be a 7 day a week business. So, um, dealing with 00:34:25.100 --> 00:34:27.634 memberships. It’s like a gym, you gotta be open every day, so, 00:34:27.634 --> 00:34:32.567 yeah. And then the uh uh I want to just jump into my questions 00:34:32.567 --> 00:34:37.200 here, uh, and I know that the staff hate when I say this, so 00:34:37.200 --> 00:34:43.867 did I say like a a pylon sign. We monument sign. This is my 00:34:43.867 --> 00:34:48.100 brother. He’s one of the owners and builders, uh, he’s building 00:34:48.100 --> 00:34:51.200 of it too, so we do have a pylon sign application in there 00:34:51.200 --> 00:34:57.000 too, I think, where’s that place? Is that, uh, on the 169 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:04.467 or is on 100 on the northwest corner of 169 imaging, right? 00:35:04.467 --> 00:35:10.300 This is what I have Yeah, yeah. So it’s kind of kind of can see 00:35:10.300 --> 00:35:15.767 it, yeah, so. Sorry, uh, Boyd Netley, um, a minority owner 00:35:15.767 --> 00:35:18.467 and so I’m also with Franna Companies, general contractor, 00:35:18.467 --> 00:35:22.100 so we, we will be building the the building as well. Um, as 00:35:22.100 --> 00:35:26.300 you can see here, the Monument or pylon sign is up in this 00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:32.200 corner here. On the northwest corner. That’s, uh, uh, lit 00:35:32.200 --> 00:35:36.000 pylon sign, uh, digital backlit with a digital reader. All 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:41.834 right. The, uh, and I’m not, uh, yeah, I, I guess past memory, 00:35:41.834 --> 00:35:48.734 uh, uh. Uh, about car washes in particular water usage and the 00:35:48.734 --> 00:35:51.400 chemicals that’s used. Walk me through that and the 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:55.667 environmental concerns that folks have had. Uh, yes, so 00:35:55.667 --> 00:36:00.533 this, uh, car wash will have a reclaim system, so what uh we 00:36:00.533 --> 00:36:04.834 that does is it collects all the runoff water from the cars. 00:36:04.834 --> 00:36:09.100 It goes into uh tanks in which it goes into a sandpit for 00:36:09.100 --> 00:36:12.266 which fills the filters out garbage and sand, and then it 00:36:12.266 --> 00:36:16.467 goes into these uh three stage. tanks that filter out for 00:36:16.467 --> 00:36:20.400 contaminants, uh, that all those contaminants get pumped 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.100 out into a waste collection system. A truck comes and pumps 00:36:24.100 --> 00:36:28.266 it out like a septic system or something similar, um. And then 00:36:28.266 --> 00:36:32.033 that water gets reused on the initial stages of the car wash, 00:36:32.033 --> 00:36:34.467 so the prep, the stuff that doesn’t need you know water, 00:36:34.467 --> 00:36:38.000 it’s just there to knock off the, the big dirt, um, to help 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.133 reduce water usage as well. So that’s a a kind of a green 00:36:40.133 --> 00:36:44.467 element we try to introduce to help uh Reduce our utility 00:36:44.467 --> 00:36:48.567 bills and water usage. That’s awesome. Glad to hear that. Um, 00:36:48.567 --> 00:36:52.934 regarding the uh overall structure, any other, uh, plans 00:36:52.934 --> 00:36:56.734 for, if you will, making it green, any, what kind of roof 00:36:56.734 --> 00:36:59.900 are you using? So we’re we’re using a balanced EPDM roof, so 00:36:59.900 --> 00:37:05.133 pretty standard, but we are gonna have solar panels, uh, so 00:37:05.133 --> 00:37:07.900 it’ll probably be roughly we’re just, we got to get a, a model 00:37:07.900 --> 00:37:12.667 done but a 60 kilowatt uh 60k kilowatt system so or 60 00:37:12.667 --> 00:37:15.467 kilowatt system, so the location of Maple Grove has a 00:37:15.467 --> 00:37:24.266 54 um. Kilowatt system. something similar. OK. The 00:37:24.266 --> 00:37:28.634 other plenty, uh, comments from. Mr. Chair, can I just interject 00:37:28.634 --> 00:37:32.300 one thing, um, just want to correct the record, the council 00:37:32.300 --> 00:37:37.734 meeting for both this item and the previous item is May 27th, 00:37:37.734 --> 00:37:40.467 Tuesday, May 27th. It’s a little bit of a different week 00:37:40.467 --> 00:37:43.367 in that Monday is a holiday when council meetings usually 00:37:43.367 --> 00:37:49.400 are, so it’s on Tuesday, the 27th. Sounds great. And um For 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:55.800 before it goes to uh. The council will Maybe the 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.734 neighbors have been notified. Or will they be notified again 00:37:59.734 --> 00:38:02.367 have already been notified of the public hearing, which is 00:38:02.367 --> 00:38:05.800 right now, um, and then, yeah, there isn’t a separate 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.000 notification for the council meeting. There is, there’s not 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:14.767 a separate ratification, yeah. OK. All right, Commissioner 00:38:14.767 --> 00:38:19.867 Bohr. Um I know we talked about it last month, but the access 00:38:19.867 --> 00:38:24.734 to this is on 108th Court. Where is the access of 109th? 00:38:24.734 --> 00:38:31.100 Is that? Uh, not access into the. Car wash, but if you just 00:38:31.100 --> 00:38:38.000 curious about the traffic on the 109th. It’s down further. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.900 Uh, Che and Commissioner Borer uh just is the general question 00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:48.133 about traffic flow in this area, it sounds like it looks like. 00:38:48.133 --> 00:38:52.934 There’s different avenues to get in 2108 is kind of. That is 00:38:52.934 --> 00:38:58.033 correct, yes. And the idea behind this with the uh um with 00:38:58.033 --> 00:39:01.533 this application is, um, it’s very much viewed as an amenity 00:39:01.533 --> 00:39:05.233 um to the BP to the North Park area. Um, so definitely, I 00:39:05.233 --> 00:39:07.934 think, um, a lot of that traffic would be coming up from 00:39:07.934 --> 00:39:10.734 the North Park area along with residents, I would imagine as 00:39:10.734 --> 00:39:15.834 well. Um, I can tell you that our um transportation engineer 00:39:15.834 --> 00:39:21.800 to review it and didn’t have any concerns with the traffic. 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.767 And did we review this lot? it’s, you know, on outline 00:39:25.767 --> 00:39:28.900 outlot see. Is there something that’s going there? Nothing 00:39:28.900 --> 00:39:41.000 proposed at this time. Huh OK. OK All right. Any other 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:49.000 questions from the planning commissioner O’Don. Um Yeah, I 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:53.266 I have a short comment and then I’ll ask my question, um. I’m 00:39:53.266 --> 00:39:55.934 gonna miss all the festivals and events that used to be in 00:39:55.934 --> 00:39:57.867 that area, you know, you know, we used to take kids there and 00:39:57.867 --> 00:40:02.667 they had a great time, but this, this, this also uh is a good 00:40:02.667 --> 00:40:06.667 improvement. Well, A good thing to go there. Um, but that being 00:40:06.667 --> 00:40:12.533 said, um, you did mention that your Business model, uh, the 00:40:12.533 --> 00:40:16.300 little bit that I caught would be. Uh, more, more like a gym, 00:40:16.300 --> 00:40:19.200 you know, you got, you know, he, he’s gonna have some, some 00:40:19.200 --> 00:40:24.266 memberships and stuff like that. With that in mind, um, what 00:40:24.266 --> 00:40:28.634 would your full employment look like in that coward if 00:40:28.634 --> 00:40:32.300 everything is automatic. Yeah, so with this one we’ll have a 00:40:32.300 --> 00:40:35.634 little more staff for the, the vacuum part of it. Um, 00:40:35.634 --> 00:40:38.634 typically, if you go to a different or other car washes, 00:40:38.634 --> 00:40:41.634 we have, you know, a person out there loading towels up, stuff 00:40:41.634 --> 00:40:46.133 like that. Uh, this one will be more probably. I would say 00:40:46.133 --> 00:40:50.467 probably 3 people in, in the, in the back area. 3 in the 00:40:50.467 --> 00:40:53.133 vacuum area alone, probably on site, I would say 8 to 10 00:40:53.133 --> 00:40:57.367 employees would be there on, on site, um, you, you know, you 00:40:57.367 --> 00:41:00.634 have your sales booth, you have your loaders, you have a person 00:41:00.634 --> 00:41:04.400 at the exit and then the uh vacuum staff. So I would say 8 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:12.400 to 10 probably. We’re kind of ballpark in that. So just for 00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:16.133 clarity, as a customer, I get out of my car and I vacuum my 00:41:16.133 --> 00:41:19.934 car or your staff do all of it and I this is a self-ser vacuum. 00:41:19.934 --> 00:41:24.200 So pretty much, yeah, the vision, uh, yeah, like you go 00:41:24.200 --> 00:41:27.834 up and. They’re free to use after, after you purchase it. 00:41:27.834 --> 00:41:31.000 What’s nice about how we designed this one too is at 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.300 other locations, we have a lot of free vacuuming going on. Um, 00:41:35.300 --> 00:41:38.467 this one now you actually have to go to the wash to actually 00:41:38.467 --> 00:41:41.100 use it, because making this indoor part is going to draw a 00:41:41.100 --> 00:41:45.400 lot of people, um, and so we don’t want a million people 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.667 change not well and tires in there and stuff like that. So 00:41:47.667 --> 00:41:50.767 basically, we want you to use the car wash. Use the vacuum, 00:41:50.767 --> 00:41:55.567 um, but it will be for pain and member clients only, so. You’re 00:41:55.567 --> 00:41:58.266 kind of cut down on that traffic too, cause we do have 00:41:58.266 --> 00:42:02.100 some abuse, um. kind of have an unsupervised vacuum areas that 00:42:02.100 --> 00:42:10.000 are two locations, so. just a quick follow up, um. This is 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.266 not gonna be like, uh, you’re not gonna have like a full 00:42:14.266 --> 00:42:17.467 service situation that somebody can drop off their cars and 00:42:17.467 --> 00:42:21.233 have them detailed and, and this is, this is basically, 00:42:21.233 --> 00:42:23.800 we’ll, we’ll do the washing and we’ll make a a comfortable 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.667 environment for you to do the vacuuming, and then we we 00:42:26.667 --> 00:42:29.266 provide towels, uh, compressed air and all the vacuum spots 00:42:29.266 --> 00:42:32.467 too, so you, you can blow your car off and stuff like that, um, 00:42:32.467 --> 00:42:34.667 so yeah, we’ll provide everything for you there, um, 00:42:34.667 --> 00:42:39.100 but this is, yeah, a self-serve the vacuum area, but we do the 00:42:39.100 --> 00:42:47.867 washing. So OK, thank you. Yup. Look, go ahead. How many 00:42:47.867 --> 00:42:53.734 vacuums do you have? 33. How are you going to protect the 00:42:53.734 --> 00:42:57.634 employee’s ears. I mean, I, you know, I mean, that’s the 00:42:57.634 --> 00:43:01.367 vacuums are actually outside of the building. So we just we 00:43:01.367 --> 00:43:05.634 have they’re outside on the, uh, east corner of the building, um, 00:43:05.634 --> 00:43:08.667 and so it actually be pretty quiet in there, honestly. Um, 00:43:08.667 --> 00:43:14.634 so yeah, the vacuums will be outside, so we’re not. Not 00:43:14.634 --> 00:43:18.000 really they’re not bad. I mean, other two locations are vacuums 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.166 are out in the open and there’s been no complaints about them, 00:43:21.166 --> 00:43:32.233 um, so. Thank you. Thank you. A couple of questions, uh. Um, 00:43:32.233 --> 00:43:36.000 one question is maybe just yes or no, uh, are there any 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:45.000 entrants from 169? Uh, no, no interns from 169, uh. And my 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.734 second question is about, uh, you said, I think if people 00:43:48.734 --> 00:43:54.100 could drop a car and then leave. And the work will be done and 00:43:54.100 --> 00:43:57.000 then they come and pick, right? No, no, so this is basically 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.934 you would. When I say you can leave, that’s after you go to 00:43:59.934 --> 00:44:02.634 the wash, you can drive home. So basically, you, you don’t 00:44:02.634 --> 00:44:05.367 get out of your car, you don’t leave your car. You pretty much 00:44:05.367 --> 00:44:08.400 get in line to go to the vacuum, I mean, to go to the wash, you 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.667 go through the wash and you can either choose to go home or you 00:44:11.667 --> 00:44:14.467 could wrap around the building and use the vacuum, so there’d 00:44:14.467 --> 00:44:18.233 be nobody dropping cars off with us. OK, there’s no cars 00:44:18.233 --> 00:44:22.467 and then to pick later. OK, that’s good. Uh, second is I’m 00:44:22.467 --> 00:44:26.233 in the next question I have is about uh You know, this is 00:44:26.233 --> 00:44:31.467 indoor operations and I heard you mention that you go to the 00:44:31.467 --> 00:44:35.233 car wash and then you get out and into the vacuum area. Is 00:44:35.233 --> 00:44:41.000 this, uh, you go outside of the building or within the building 00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.467 that you go to the, we have a pull it up I can kind of walk 00:44:44.467 --> 00:44:50.634 you through what it looks like. Yeah mouse here work. So pretty 00:44:50.634 --> 00:44:53.867 much this is the stacking lanes over here, you’d enter the car 00:44:53.867 --> 00:44:59.734 wash here. This is the really long tunnel. And this way you 00:44:59.734 --> 00:45:05.634 can choose to exit. Or you can choose to come back around. 00:45:05.634 --> 00:45:09.467 Into the vacuum area. And let’s say these are all full for some 00:45:09.467 --> 00:45:13.100 reason, um, you can exit and then make another loop back 00:45:13.100 --> 00:45:16.934 around rather than stopping and waiting, um, so kind of created 00:45:16.934 --> 00:45:21.100 a little loop system here. So that you can reassure you that 00:45:21.100 --> 00:45:26.400 you could eventually be able to vacuum your car out, so. OK. OK. 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:31.166 So during winter time, you know, there is a. That’s basically 00:45:31.166 --> 00:45:34.367 outside you have to go out and come back. Correct, yep, so you 00:45:34.367 --> 00:45:38.367 do leave. The building after the wash, and if you choose the 00:45:38.367 --> 00:45:42.000 vacuum, then you come back inside the building again. OK. 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.133 It’s separated. Could you, could you speak to, you know, a 00:45:45.133 --> 00:45:49.367 snow during winter, Minnesota weather. Where do you store 00:45:49.367 --> 00:45:54.233 snow and all this, you know. Um, I mean, basically. With this 00:45:54.233 --> 00:45:58.500 one, we just use just honestly, out of those spots, we use a 00:45:58.500 --> 00:46:00.767 snow blowers, um, that way we can kind of angle it where we 00:46:00.767 --> 00:46:04.834 want to angle it, um, pile it up where we can pile it up, um, 00:46:04.834 --> 00:46:07.033 I don’t envision using plows here. I’d miss using 00:46:07.033 --> 00:46:09.667 snowblowers so we can kind of fine tune where we. Stack all 00:46:09.667 --> 00:46:13.934 this stuff like, like most properties, it’s hard to find 00:46:13.934 --> 00:46:17.233 good stacking spots, um. But with this one, we found a lot 00:46:17.233 --> 00:46:20.367 more success with snow blowers, for example, you know, you 00:46:20.367 --> 00:46:24.200 could stack it right here. You can stack it over here, um, 00:46:24.200 --> 00:46:27.834 that way, you’re not having a big plow mounds everywhere, so 00:46:27.834 --> 00:46:31.634 we use, we use a snow blowers other two locations, and we 00:46:31.634 --> 00:46:38.533 find they work better. OK. Thank you. Um, one last 00:46:38.533 --> 00:46:42.000 question is to. Uh, the other gentleman, I didn’t give your 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:48.133 name. I’m sorry about that, uh, you mentioned about uh some 00:46:48.133 --> 00:46:52.266 disposables and that will go in after filtering the way I 00:46:52.266 --> 00:46:55.533 understood it and then some will be picked up, you know. 00:46:55.533 --> 00:47:00.634 How frequent it gets packed and what time it gets picked and. 00:47:00.634 --> 00:47:04.634 Yeah, it’s, uh, it gets pumped up about once a quarter, so 00:47:04.634 --> 00:47:12.133 once every 3 months. Once every 6 months, OK. And I guess that. 00:47:12.133 --> 00:47:14.367 And during the wintertime, it might be a little more frequent 00:47:14.367 --> 00:47:17.133 than that, just all the sand and stuff we get from road salt 00:47:17.133 --> 00:47:20.100 and stuff like that. So we we we have a gauge, and so 00:47:20.100 --> 00:47:22.834 basically we kind of monitor it, typically this time of year, 00:47:22.834 --> 00:47:25.100 it’s once a quarter, but it’s not uncommon if we have a 00:47:25.100 --> 00:47:28.133 really snowy, like a lot of ice and sand on the roads, we’ll do 00:47:28.133 --> 00:47:31.467 a little lot more often than that. And so it could be once 00:47:31.467 --> 00:47:35.200 every 2 months, but typically we’re on a a quarterly 00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:37.400 maintenance deal, so. Is there, could you, could you speak to, 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:42.367 you know, when you pick, uh, This is basically a different 00:47:42.367 --> 00:47:50.100 uh. Disposable vendor, you know, I mean. Yeah, we have a pump 00:47:50.100 --> 00:47:53.634 truck that comes yeah, big pump tru comes and they usually do 00:47:53.634 --> 00:47:57.467 it, um, Like right away in the morning just to get it done 00:47:57.467 --> 00:48:01.166 with, um, but yeah, a big pump truck comes, sucks it all up, 00:48:01.166 --> 00:48:03.867 and then they take it. Wherever they take it, I guess, I don’t 00:48:03.867 --> 00:48:07.533 know, um, but yeah, we, we use a separate business for that. 00:48:07.533 --> 00:48:11.000 So the tank that store those chemicals underground or is it 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:15.533 uh? Where we’re just pumping out sand, honestly. It’s just 00:48:15.533 --> 00:48:17.734 all like rocks and sand and stuff like that. So that’s 00:48:17.734 --> 00:48:21.467 pretty much what we’re pumping out, um. When, when we, when we 00:48:21.467 --> 00:48:25.834 say pump out, it’s just debris and sand that builds up on cars, 00:48:25.834 --> 00:48:29.233 so. So it’s not like chemicals were pumping out and it is just 00:48:29.233 --> 00:48:39.100 sand. OK. Thanks. Yep. I, uh, I didn’t see a sight lighting, uh, 00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:43.934 plan, so, uh, the lighting plan will uh meet the standards. uh, 00:48:43.934 --> 00:48:49.300 I saw on the rendering light pole but and it also appears to 00:48:49.300 --> 00:48:52.634 be you know metric plan included, um, with the 00:48:52.634 --> 00:48:56.133 submission, and if that wasn’t provided. We can provide that 00:48:56.133 --> 00:49:01.467 to you, but the applicant did provide a photometric plan and 00:49:01.467 --> 00:49:11.467 that was reviewed. OK, perfect. OK. Any uh, any other questions? 00:49:11.467 --> 00:49:25.266 Right. I’m not sure I’m not sure if you closed the public 00:49:25.266 --> 00:49:30.800 hearing, just one of the I didn’t. I don’t think you did. 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.634 Sounds great. Yes, please come to the podium. I thought I did, 00:49:35.634 --> 00:49:42.000 but maybe I might have missed it, so maybe I didn’t and So 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:48.934 it’s perfect timing. Because my air. Good evening, Margaret 00:49:48.934 --> 00:49:53.767 School mesters 8225109th Place North, and I’m closer to the 00:49:53.767 --> 00:50:01.266 proposed, um. Car wash then my uh fellow chaplain person. Um, 00:50:01.266 --> 00:50:05.200 And perhaps you did already canceled, but an an item came