all right I will go ahead and call the meeting to order we'll start with a roll call mcke here lanman here bota here and a t-shir baron cam here Nichols here perfect uh and we will you like to stand and join in the Pledge of Allegiance flag of the United States of America and to the repu for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you on to agenda approval uh is there anything from staff uh looks like there's the One update uh yes mayor the only update is item 5B we had uh both of those resolutions under that item have updated language uh which you should have there at the Das perfect anything Cel I will entertain a motion to approve the agenda as uh amended second sure I'll do it I'll do whatever you ask I'll second there we go we got already going bar cam bot mayor and councel if I I could ask one thing uh the person who is doing our minutes has asked if mayor if you could uh repeat uh who made the motion and who did the second that would we can just say it we'll do thank you for doing our minutes favor say I I I perfect um on to open Forum anyone want us do that uh ladies and gentlemen if anyone wants to speak on something not on the agenda please walk up to microphone uh share what it is that you have to say and speak to uh the Das mayor I have received no cards at this point for the open form and we have no comments uh online how many online how many online folks do we have okay one of them is a staff member okay is's the other one Jeremy Jeremy's lged in um let's see here on to consent agenda which consists of items 5 a through 5K and I wrote seven actually on my agenda because I'm used to that um does anyone want to pull anything Mr Mayor yes um I have four 5B okay 5f 5H and 5j and I'll do my best to make three three of the four as fast as possible okay anyone else want to pull can I um can I speak during open Forum we already had it but we can can we pause for just a second sure so we can thank Jackson Jacob and Danny for the awesome job they did yeah night to night I know we're going to have a special presentation but it just happened and they would the key people and it went really well great night it was awesome I don't want to have this go by without thanking them thanks I forgot appreciate you bring that up yeah it was a great night for and appreciate everyone who was involved from residents to staff to Lions everyone it made it without everyone on board it couldn't have been as great as it was so fantastic night and Bucky said give them their credit she obviously was a big to anyway sorry Dean nope you were all over it so you had Dean you had I was going to do that towards the end so you had b f h and J 5B 5f 5H and 5 J okay anyone else have anything to pull one once advice old okay I will approve or entertain a motion to approve consent agenda items a c d e g i and K bottom up l you just said your names yeah yeah as Motion in second um that's implied yes all those in favor say hi hi Nicholls um K do you want to walk us through your four starting with b just clarification and Kevin I hope you can help me with this on page five of eight this on on 5B yes I'll go from Top the new resolution like the updated one it's just the way things were worded I I want I want Clarity obviously for the people on Hunters Ridge um it's that second paragraph there while not while not part of the Bell weather tth conditions specifically staff is aw questions frequently arise over timing of the hunter the connection to Hunter Ridge um I understand and everything else is there once one of those 96 units out of the 120 are occupied I'm assuming that is when that Hunter Ridge constructed okay that is when Hunters Ridge would open is that right that's when the Restriction the condition that they have to rebuild Hunter Ridge if they use it gets lifted so if they use it before if they use it for construction before 96 homes are buil then they would have that condition their Master agreement where they would have that street Improvement project okay so if they at 96 homes or 80% then that condition is eliminated so then they would be basically entitled to use that RO with okay penalty if you're calling in that Improvement project of penalty La of a better word all right um but then they're still on the hook for the intersection of hunters rigge and 116 that's a whole separate project yes that turn Lanes is a separate is a full requ when is the our current plan to put on a new how do I want to say it redo Hunters Ridge we've got 20 25 years from start to the life in in a overlay or something like that is that still in the plans but we're just pushing that out until this gets done what are we doing so if you recall we actually kind of have an open feedability study approved for that street right and with all the projects surrounding it it made sense for staff to kind of just pause that okay um if you recall the Northeast infrastructure project which is our third phase of our water supply project that's going to be kicking off here in a couple weeks we didn't really know what was happening with that so we just kind of paused it so we'll be able to reengage that conversation of what improvements we want to invest on on that that Original Pizza Hunters all right uh brid between 116 and weather and then at that time there would be a normal assessment for depends on the up to a certain amount if it's in Mill and over if it's an overlay project that is f still eligible for a free overlay we have a free overlay there's a free overlay condition still I'll call it in our plan okay uh so we've always followed that plan so you we have to deviate from that but right now they're on the free overlay all right list so if we do the feasibility and it warrants more than a free or if we think it warrants it then we'd have to have a conversation what to do that would follow into the cor cont East West project that we did a couple years ago if you recall that was a free overlay Street eligible Street we wanted to do more than that because we thought there was value in it there was an assessment did a neighborhood thing we went it very positive project folks that didn't do it but there was an assessment and there was a credit for the baked in the credit for the fre you've kind of set a precedence with that project or something like this or we did okay all right nope that that uh clears that up for me and such so it's cool thank you for that time I had an item on this one too so I I had raised this and I don't think we've gotten the entirety of the answer yet as part of this approval we're accepting 06 Acres of net Park dedication typically on the final plat I'm accustomed to seeing some level of cash in L if there's not a significant amount of land but because there are so many phases we may have already collected all that we needed to so I just wanted to confirm with staff that there's no further Dedication that we're due so this question was raised as we were coming up to this and and it's important to note the original PUD that was approved in 2018 had conditions talking about the long-term plan related to that uh we were not able staff believes that that's the case uh that it meets the intent uh if it did not and we had to do it we would have to redo the the D the development agreement uh staff is concerned at this point that there's legal ramifications of trying to redo a 2018 agreement uh our lawyer was not in the office this week so we were not able to confirm that so um that's our understanding is the conditions have been met uh if we needed to go back and change it because they weren't uh it could be very problematic so we we think that they've given everything they're supposed to give is that correct correct and on page seven of what I'm reading uh that's what was written in here I can read it it's Park dedication for the B will be satisfied to the combination of land construction of the private amenity Center associate improvements Trail easements pavement of trails and construction of the boardwalk Bell weather 10 will be the final phase Park dedication in this phase includes dedication of 006 Acres of Trail easement to satisfy the park dedication so this is the last little bit that okay thank you and with that I'll make a motion to uh 5 b approve 5 b that's V Camp Nichols second uh all those in favor say hi okay uh 5f 5f I know we'll probably do this but as John did so well about uh about night to unite I want to thank Ken for everything he's done for our city from mayor from all of this stuff so I just I want it on the record to now early his uh resignation his love and such for our Watershed is uh very very easy to identify very apparently and I wanted to thank him for that so that was all I wanted to do on that one are we going to recognize him yes we will will he be here I believe he's coming in that one more he's got one more to come yeah oh okay thank you would be a nice gestur as part of city park remaster that we dedicate a tree in the Wetland area can in the Wetland area a willow like that but yeah a swamp you would would be big big big shoes to fill on uh on that commission y for sure he's done a ton it's uniquely passionate for the Watershed he's easily the best mayor we've ever had absolutely better than the I'm just kidding so with that thank you for letting me do that I'll make a motion to approve 5f second Nichols so Baron camp and Nichols all those in favor say hi hi and 5 I read and I'm a little confused is there a timeline on the boardwalk I know there's still planning and those kind of things but a lot came out of the two Bell weather visits I made for 19 night many of the folks asking about that but understanding what's going they very much understood what was going on but is there a timeline on when that would be completed I think I can't give you a definitive timeline we've made some progress in understanding the kind of the Baseline conditions we've worked with a developer U that's where we're at that's was included in here in the out we're ly reviewing kind of their proposal response um once that's done once that's ready The Next Step would be go back to the parks and trails commission to basically finalize that um potentially have a conversation of if we want more what that would look like um and that was kind of kind of how it was packaged in the original in the original Master agreement was undefined Boardwalk um so maybe some lessons learned there but um I think we've made progress in kind of narrowing it down I know the city's interested in getting a built as soon as possible and I believe the developers here I don't want I think I'm comfortable think they would like to get it built soon as possible to fulfill their commitment so we're kind of in on that I think over the next four to six weeks you have a better timeline that's all right in you guys for the final appr instead of saying something now as you get closer the the folks were the folks were very understanding so one of type of projects you'd like to or need to do in the fall winter winter spring yeah I mean yeah especially with water we've got yeah I think just getting just moving it forward and will unpackage itself but progress has been made a better update should get a month or two we should better be able to that question okay that that's what I was looking for is something I'll let the folks know that I talked to there um so with that 5H I'll make a motion to we to on that one there no action necessary on that one I believe yeah that was only the information on okay and then 5j we've got an update I think I'm crystal clear on that but the last time we had a fee schedule update we kind of had a mess on the industrial side of sewer and water feed and stuff are we confident that won't happen this time so this one there was only one fee that was added and it's highlighted in the pack in order to clarify what it was no I saw that and same thing there thanks for letting me Pull It And to clarify the reason that was was with the change of structure with the Community Development Department our gr structure didn't appropriately charge to accomplish what it needed to for expenses uh with that new position of disted it was under charging and so we needed to adjust Fe appropriated and it was just one line then perfect oh I just wanted that too so sounds good with that do we need to make a motion say I'll make a motion to say okay to 5j thank you for your time the motion we have a second second Nicholl Nicholl uh all those in favor say I I he and that brings us through consent agenda on to planning business we have a public hearing for item 6A which is the bellweather easement vacation um and let's see here do we want to do we have a presentation we want to do first or should we do the public hearing first slide theic first okay uh thank you Mr May Council for tonight is the vacation of the drainage and utility e over out lot Bel weather 8th Edition um this is a public hearing tonight uh this is tied to the request that was passed as part of the consenter hold it past for Bell weather 10 um as the easements are no longer needed as that area is being developed um so the new easements that are needed for the drainage and utility are being provided with the new plat for the B weather 10th edition uh the city engineer has no objections to this request so the area you see is Outlaw B has an entire drainage and utility easement over it it will be vacated and then the necessary drainage and utility easements will be put in place for the 10th edition is this the public hearing no is the before so with the background and then public hearing um so the recommendation as you saw in the staff report is to adopt resolution 2024 d89 approving the EAS vacation for Bell weather 10th edition for Outlaw B of the eth Edition sounds good thank you is there something you wanted to say before I no I was just I don't just clarifying no I was prepared to make a motion we oh gotta gotcha gotta gotta we got open I will go ahead and open the public hearing if anyone would like to speak on this issue going once going twice all right I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing so move very Camp second Nichols thank you any further discussion all those in favor say I I perfect and then um can I get a motion on I'll make a motion bottom up perfect uh that is just to clarify um approving the what Kevin said to do resolution 2024 89 that a second second very any further discussion all those in favor say I I okay thank you on to item seven which is unfinished business we have a public Comon opportunity for two items which is 7A and 7B 7A is the uh discussion on the solicitation ordinance and 7B is the city cropland update uh mayor we have one comment card uh from M Carolyn pford uh on item 7ae you could just state your name and address for the record that'd be great hi Carolyn welcome carford I live at 9220 Fox line drive here in Coran um I'd like to say is on or about July 14th our neighborhood in Coran experienced a severe thunderstorm with hail over the course of the following week we had five salesmen from four different roofing contractors knocking on our door to ask us if we wanted a free roof inspection to look for hail damage one contractor stopped a second time even after we told him we were not interested they descended on us like vultures these unscript unscrupulous roofing contractors are a prim primary reason why homeowners insurance deductibles for roof Replacements are so high now the draft uh there was a draft ordinance um pedlers solicitors transient merchants or door too uh Advocates was discussed with the city council in 2011 and again on 2022 um thank you for bringing this issue up again for discussion hopefully we can wrap this up this year and get an ordinance pass um the issues that should be addressed or I hopefully will have addressed are registered solicitors and pedlers and do background checks these permit fees will cover expens uh administrative costs if residents post a quote no solicitation sign it must be respected better yet create a no solicitation list of residents who want to be out of solicitation similar to the no call list and provide it PR provide it to uh solicitors um the 2011 Draft ordinance was modeled after the M's current ordinance and is available online um again I'd like to uh thank the members that responded to our emails my husband and myself email um I do want to note that Mark lerman's uh comment uh also uh made it uh important for um this ordinance to pass if I could read your comment to me sure to us you stated in your email I'm not going to read it all just the the point that I want to make as far as how this ordinance is important for the city of Coran to be safe he reads he reads I had a similar experience a while ago and brought my concerns to a previous administration roofer yeah who knocked on my door turned out to be a convicted felon with a history of kidnap and assault this underscores the importance of regulating who is allowed to solicit in our community and I I have also heard other stories from other communities about how these people that are not registered with the cities um can be criminals um can take advantage of not only um us as people but as the older people as well um because when they come to your your door there's no way to know who these people really are they can tell you what they are but they can't uh they're if they're not telling us as a community who they are there's no way that anybody's going to do background checks so um yeah I I just think it's important that we get this taken care of right now because it's not going to get better it's only going to get worse so I thank everybody for listening and I I hope this can be resolved this year and if I could just thank you for coming out you know you should not be afraid to answer your door in corporate right well and and I know that um I as a as a resident here um and I know my rights as an individual in this in this America um we have now put up a no soliciting sign on our property so um it not everybody's going to know their rights not everybody's going to do what they need to do to protect their private property and uh I I had had one time where um some gentleman was next door um taking pictures of my neighbor's house and I didn't know who he was and I I'm sure my neighbors would have told me that this person would have been in over you know taking pictures because I know that I know my neighborhood and so I asked him and he looked at me he said it's none of your business so I took pictures of them um gave them to my neighbors and she said I don't know who this person is and even he even went around off the back fi so this is what I'm saying we need to make sure our neighborhoods are safe but we need to have ordinances to make sure that the residents and the city make it so so with that I pass thank you thank you thank you thank you Mr Mayor yeah just real quick something that I did and I don't know if I've shared with anybody and if I'm in trouble so be it I'm a big boy but I have a no soliciting sign on my end my driveway my driveway is 900 F feet long one of those folks came down my driveway I met him at their car I made the comment did you not see the no solicita sign no I saw it I said guess what our city has an ordinance that you owe me $25 for disobeying that sign right now and he's like really I said yep you owe me 25 and then he proceeded well I'm down here because I said you owe me another $25 because you're trying to sell me something I already told you I didn't want and I don't care what it is he turned his car on drove around and or turned around on my driveway in so don't know if that affected anybody or made him leave our city but I very much agree with your sign and that's kind of the way I work on my property but uh it is it is not a not nice um Mark's story we heard about that way back when it came not not something that we want in our city and uh I I I agree we need to do something true yeah if I could um you know this uh this sample ordinance I believe is a template from the leag of Minnesota cities yeah um I would urge staff to review the umina Medina solicit or non-solicitation uh ordinance I think it is much more clear it is certainly better written and uh I think that it um addresses um what I think we want addressed you know for you know one example in the league of Minnesota cities uh version under Section 8 prohibited uh activities under the it says conducting business before 8:00 a.m. or after 9:00 a.m. um you know someone knocks at my door at 900 a.m. I think for their safety that am or or or p.m you someone comes knocking at my door at 9900 PM they they have a safety issue and I think that uh we should uh look to uh M's more reasonable times of uh 9 to6 I believe it is yeah yeah I'm I'm uh in the LMC EP model to I don't I might have missed it but do they actually do a criminal back they they don't have to my knowledge they don't have an actual criminal background check required to get a that was one thing I would it is discussed in the information if the application is complete the city cleric must order any investigation including background checks necessary to verify the information provided with the applications under e on page three of the model ordinance yeah but it but it doesn't say anything there's a background check so if they're to verify information that's um oh okay so it it does include the criminal side within the last five years and gross Mis Meer and Mis meter and that kind of stuff listed okay that so I did miss it you want me to go through a brief sure presentation on we don't a public hearing and staff presentation on it we don't have a public hearing tonight on okay no I'm sorry the public comment period yeah go ahead um so again this as you as in the narrative that was uh last talked about in in April of 2022 staff was given direction to go forward uh as a starting point with that model policy at the time also directed to try and uh simplify the placard requirements make that a little bit easier for our residents and also look into explore standardizing what that Noti looks like for the no solicitation I think the um the feedback then and what I'm hearing the feedback now is to regulate to the degree legally permissible and one of the reasons that we included the um model or the model ordinance and the guidance from LMC as it has been updated since then it is a there's a fine line to walk because the level to which you can regulate um each of those different types varies depending on whether they're whether they're Peddlers whether they're solicitors whether they're transient Merchants whether they're canvassers and that also reg that also would change what our ability to investigate them or prohibit them so we look at the protections that we're that we would need to thread with this ordinance and we're U you know they're making sure that we're protecting the rights for interstate commerce freedom of speech equal protection freedom of religion but also protecting our residents to the greatest extent possible and so I guess the what we're looking for tonight is that overarching direction that you guys are looking for or that you guys have been providing as far as regulate to the fullest extent that we can legally permissibly do that um simplify by the Placer requirements consider reducing the hours um there is uh there has been not specifically around the hours but conversation or concern about um how far cities can deviate from this without creating legal exposure so I think we would look at working with our City attorney to get their recommended application of what you're what you're telling us tonight how far are we comfortable without creating exposure in regulating this um and incorporating as much feedback as you have so that's what we're looking for tonight is a hearing loud and clear go forward and looking for the overarching direction and we can certainly try and bring back um something in line with what you're what you're telling us so I I would and um perhaps you already have seen medinas I I reviewed it the other day in preparation for tonight's hearing but there are some um I think very reasonable carve outs to their um statute or to their code um that I think will address some of the concerns that perhaps the the City attorney may have but I guess I would argue I think that the safety of our residents uh should come first and if some magazine Peddler knocking at my door at 9:00 at night wants to sue me or sue the city I say go for it and I'll pay that bill know I just I just I just feel very strongly that this is a a safety issue and you know I I would urge you to be as tight on the code and inforce the code the best you can I think the modified Green River with the exclusion by fler would be my preferred approach so my my primary concern is what happens when somebody is violating you've done what you're supposed to do you've got the placard up the placard is as wordy and ugly as it needs to be to be effective um what actually happens to the person who knocks anyway can can there be any kind of penalty imposed because they're licensed we know who they are got a ring camera picture showing them knocking on your door you can see the no soliciting sign in the background is that enough to do something effective or is this going to be situation where they get on their segue and they go half a mile away and nothing ever happens to them so typically U you know this would likely be a you know first violation would be a misdemeanor um in henen County especially um first time offense on misdemeanors isn't typically a jailable offense back in the day um on some of the more restrictive policies there were cities that took that Hardline stance and faced some exposure to uh having the arrest and take down town on the first offense it doesn't go well um and I think we we want to mitigate I think we want to be as strict as we can but mitigate the cost for our residents of lawsuits and things like that as well so um if they continue to violate I think the first violation typically is making sure that they're complying and what would making sure that we're changing the behavior if appropriate um ass citation and if there's a repeat offense I think we can begin to make the case that they are continuing to violate and then there's as you get down that road if you can explicitly articulate what the risk is to the community continuing to violate there could become a point where you could potentially jail someone for continuing to break the law um our County and our judges um they don't put people in jail for anything yeah so good luck well I think unless you're a police officer so with our with our rental ordinance we developed strike system and the strike is assessed against the license and I'm wondering if there's some similar mechanism you could apply here where and I don't know what the burden of proof is Right does a police officer need to see the person at the home still there after having been told not to come if they're still hanging on on the porch then they get a citation they would have to witness it correct so is there a way to set up a system where there's some kind of an assessed penalty without that actually happening happening because the police are busy they're not going to get there in the three minutes that the person is arguing with me about why would the police have to witness it there are all kinds of crimes that can be charged without a police officer un there's limitations on unwitnessed misdemeanors so you can um and it's going to depend on what it is so you know usually the the ability to to which you can take action for an unwitnessed misdemeanor is a lot more limited than um if you did not but the homeowner could sign that complaint they could sign the complaint I mean typically you see that application regardless of the signed complaint you see that as trespassing um as effective or we've seen that occasionally in shoplifting for the unwitnessed theft but there are carots for that I'd have to see I don't know if that's been tried or tested the carots for solicitation for the unwitnessed mror sign complaint if that that same you into that I think getting looking at the strike system and certainly if um you know I believe that while they might not witness it they might not be able to site the first time they get there if the person's no longer on your porch if they encounter them on the street and the police officer warns them that they uh for engaging in that behavior and then they continue to do it if they can you know find those subsequent violations I think they're more empowered to be able to take stronger action at that point but to your point it we'd have to I think the strike system could maybe reinforce what the action points are could could a strike system trigger payment against the bond that they would need to carry under the ordinance I would have to I'd have to defer to a City attorney on that okay my my guidance is I would like to see this be structured in a way that there's actually a realistic consequence for violation not that we want to be unnecessarily punitive to people who are maybe ignorant the first time we don't want you know Girl Scouts getting tickets well there was language that speciic out foru like that people that come down my driveway give money one another time John sorry no I mean go ahead go ahead oh we got bogged down in the last time on what we can't do instead of what we can and I just don't want to get let that stand way of having something right can we add to our par sign solicit solicitation not welcome not allowed something strong the tower like what the Lions do welcome to cour yeah yeah let's put up a big sign yeah you are not welcome here go away anyhow if I could perhaps we consider a reasonable uh application fee to help fund the background checks uh I would like and I would recommend that that fee be $200 and maybe if they get away on their segue you'll catch them on your flock camera we'll see I'll see if there's any case law with our City attorney sometimes though a lot of times they'll they'll limit that to actual cost incurred so we might have to prove that fee um but we can try and work on those exercise as to what we believe is a good position for improving since the modified Green River model ordinance doesn't require registration for canvasing activity does a no solicitation sign under that model still prevent canvassers I don't believe we can prevent canvassers I believe that's protected Free Speech equ but I think that's going to be how restrictive we can be is going to be what out City attorney I get the free spee angle my concern is if somebody has a sign at their front door that says maybe the special word is no canvasing rather than no soliciting but there should be a mechanism to trigger that this is not welcome and the guidance from the league seem to indicate that you could bar people from your property for the purposes of canvasing if I don't know if you can enforce it criminally but we could make that understanding you know it can escalate uh from the criminal standpoint that if they're prohibited to sign certainly furthers under the trespassing ordinance that requires notification or warranty and if they're there um that wouldn't quite me the trespass but I think certainly verbalizing that that any continuing to be there um could get into that trespassing realm could people opt could we just could we have a blanket know whatever and have people opt in if they want to be um under the especially into the the interstate commerce people's having you know right to be able I'm just spit Bing ideas yeah well I think those are good things to try and start from I'll start there with the city attorney and see how far he pushes back something please please um please come up so you can be from carollyn Holford um I have talked to a lot of people outside of the um Community even in where from Wisconsin and they say so long long as the city of municipality um has an ordinance and it's um to to your liking the general public the private individuals can have signs matter of fact we had I bought a sign that that says no solicita and that even means political whatever because this is my property whatever the city decides is up to the city and however the laws pertain to to what you're doing but as a private individual I have a right because it's my private property and if it says private property no soliciting that means they have to abide by it and yes um in some cities um then in some states the the private individuals that have land that say private property if somebody comes on your property for pedaling or whatever it is um um you have a right then to charge them with um evading your private package that's not hard in Minnesota there are certain trespass laws that as far as Noti is required but yeah I mean certainly you can you can sign your property as you believe is appropriate um as as you so choose to what our ability to take legal action in rooted in the state statute does vary from state to state um and it depends on if we're falling under if they're conduct is violating this ordinance which will have different standards for solicitors than canvases um then they don't fall under our solicitor regulation we would look at how we can regulate them under the canvas and if they have permissibility under this ordinance as a canvas then we would begin to look at how we can apply um trespass or other applicable laws and and and as an officer um I found that uh one situation that I was in um that somebody did something um I videotaped it called the police um I don't remember who came um from the police station but they said I didn't witness it and I said well it just so happens I videotaped it and then after he saw the videotape of what had happened on my property then he went and talked to the individual so you don't necessarily have to see it but if I have a video to prove my point then you can take care of it from that point yes so that would be what that would be considered like a long form complaint so we would provide that data to the City attorney they would they could consider charges at that point but as we're looking at whether or not custodial arrest is permissible right um witnessing or not witnessing does make does make a difference but you can give them right you know and and that's what I'm trying to tell people is we don't know our rights until you as as a city help us um determine what we as a city can do and what we as residents can do there's there's also like I just want to be clear on you you are correct about your rights as an individual land owner but sometimes you there's a difference between a a criminal activity and a civil activity too so um our and you you can push it as an individual too you you're not limited to using law enforcement you can also go after people yes I can take civil but yeah and and that's that's an option too but we can't always like the city can't the police department can't always interject on a but they can never really interject on a civil issue but that doesn't mean it's not within your right to continue that on a civil but it's up to up to the city to educate the residents as far as their rights and and what the city can do for us yeah that's what we don't even yeah we still got to write it and educate people based on their own end it would be a newsl thing yeah could be and I would say from an execution standpoint that there will there are there's some capacity things because this obviously is since it has a licensing component a lot of the processed part of this resides in the clerk's office we're in a transitional period there we're doing an election um so I think the instructions are clear but the the execution is going to have to involve the clerk's office um with the city attorney and bring make sure that they're along for that and I could create some time constraints um certainly want to get it moving bur for too long the back yeah sta staff was talking about that and with our city clerk not coming on until later this month and with a national election coming up in November in which uh we're we're expecting a lot of Walkins coming in prior to that dat uh our our clerk is going to be very very busy preoccupied with that and so I would ask for patients I suspect that after they recover the week after the election uh this could become a focus of activity but but until then we really don't have the capacity to give it the attention it deserves it'll take it that long to get the ordinance done yeah I would imagine to get through a public hearing draft and public hearing and all that well procedurally to Matt's point we we really need clerk input in terms of the the nuts and bolts of how to execute it and and the analysis required to provide that procedural input we don't have that capacity between now and and the uh for that that particular role and and I'd be remiss to tell them how to suck the egg if I don't know how so we can focus on what's enforcable the legal questions we've been discussing it part figured out but the administration of the system needs to still be defined right okay yeah we could just call M and say Hey how do you do it I'm happy to ask their mayor when I see her next I think I talked to her one time about it a couple years ago and there wasn't any um issues of note that came up about it that was that they were having problems with or anything it it certainly would discourage people if we had an ordinance it I think one of the things that also heard is effective as the waiting period um you know we have a duty to respond in a timely fashion as Government but also outlining what that what that response period is for the application um a lot of times especially when you have the transient folks from out of state that come to that will chase storms and follow them through they're typically onto the next storm that um as we're as we're appropriate processing if there's a um know that we're building in enough time to make sure that we're thorough it will automatically discourage some of those people that are looking to to scam a quick button well take your time sounds good I will uh I'll make a motion to direct staff to develop an ordinance uh along the lines of the discussion you've had second D all those in favor say I I here thank you for what it's worth uh because it's a true statement I had a custom sign made uh says please do not ring on or knock or ring sleeping baby uh tired mother and two crazy dogs and it's pretty effective I think we've seen a lot of people come up and read that and then back away they don't want they don't want to see my wife pissed when the baby wakes up because the dogs are bring so I have I have a sign yeah says no solicitation by order of Smith and Wesson yeah that'll do that ring at your own R thank you we may make light of it but it is a very serious thing for sure and what I would love if we could do a ordinance related to people calling the check on my rof and stuff like that so Paul Paul Paul are you're a contractor that's what I do iner caller folks they'll advise you on what they can do well there is a a federal um law consumer that nobody knows about it's 1991 and I always tell people I always ask them have we done business before and they try to avoid the question and I said no just say yes or no have we done business before and then they'll say well no I don't think so I said then you have no business calling me and I will then tell them the the quote about the federal uh trade uh consumer Trade Commission um so act and uh they hang up real quick yeah they call you back people who made a lot of money off that law y oh I know thank you very much you thank you all right and we'll go on to our uh last item in unfinished business 7B uh City crop land update thank you may Council so just to follow up an ongoing conversation what to do with some of the the property that the city own primarily on the Northwestern side of of uh City Park um and then just North of city hall here on the east side of County Road 116 so um probably a couple months ago now we kind of had an interim solution uh knockdown from the Louise and now this call we want to capitalize on maybe some sort of more permanent solution that would minimize costs over time uh so included in this packet in primarily Focus maybe on the 116 property at least at a staff level our four programs that we met with u with different agencies uh primarily led by henin County um just related to options uh for some sort of um vegetation project um and really it's just direction do do any of these any information provided are they attracted to the city is it something you want us to pursue here and bring back uh any other ideas we're just trying to continue that conversation of how do we maybe permanently not permanently but like more effectively control uh and maintain those properties until we have a different use St just yeah real quick when I briefly read over this is hennipen County willing to pay for some of the cost to do this yeah I think depending on what program they're they're all a little bit variable but um you know maybe the I think staff recommended the second option um I know 90% cost share I think the count Watershed my offet a little bit um we'd have to go through the application process I did meet with their rep and the site they're aware of the site it's attractive to them for you know in terms of it's a grant so you but what happens if all of a sudden we were to have an inquiry to sell it to somebody and then all that goes away or it would be preserved there's different levels of commitment that one that number two the Coster probably has the lowest level of commitment it's the expectation is kind of 10 years there are some outs um the expectation that it's at least 10 years um but that's the least restrictive some of them have uh conservation easements that you apply over the property so there's different levels of commitment uh different levels of funding different level of project most of them we still would have some sort of maintenance cost to them uh it takes a while for native plants or vegetation to establish it's not like we're eliminating costs with most of them did you make did you make the comment you know if you just let us rent it out to Farmers and we'll give you the money for rent we don't have to do all of this that went nowhere I'm sure if you did say wrong part of H County I just what a bunch of monkey say I'm sorry I said it's the wrong part of h no what did you say that's first if you ever what up I don't know what it being said have you ever talked to henan County they didn't require us to pay $220,000 in taxes on $4,000 of farm produce we wouldn't have oh yeah yeah that's all I'm saying I mean it seems like we're spending a lot of time when there was nothing wrong with what we were doing originally I they just changed their interpretation of how they want to enforce that hoping one of to bring to Christen robins and I brought it to anyone I can think of and it's I disagree with it but apparently it is they're within their right to do it how they're doing it yeah anyhow in reviewing the options I liked I like number four with the idea that could this be a revenue Source I I noticed under the notes the second bullet was trees can be put into a carbon credit agreement when I see carbon credit makes me think there might be a Revenue Source there to having trees on some of those Parcels is that accurate then we tax that's not it's a it's a plan they're trying to develop so I don't know if anything's been set yet I think it's it would be a piece of property that they're very interested in they um that's one that they're ex really excited about I think that one if we went that route I think we want to commit some long-term thing I would I think would negotiate more and in terms of what the outcome that program's not even finalized so that one has maybe a longer play if it's something we're interested we can engage that and find out but at this point I couldn't promise it's Revenue I thought I thought field two and field three by the park where we're going to have that trail Corridor this would be a great way to get hmer County to Forest it for us as well I don't know if it would make sense for the others or other things might need to come in at some point but for those two we were going to have the trail come I thought that could be a really fit so so when we do Bark in the Park in September one of the things we're going to ask for feedback is would residents be interested in potentially having field 2 become a dog park uh which then would activate that space it would be low cost in order to convert it and maintain it any if you look at field two it's not a very large space uh it's adjacent to 10 uh it would address some of the problems that we're having DEC conflicting dogs in the park it would give people with dogs a place to go uh so that they could do that uh take care of that field so so that's something that we're going to get public feedback on in September uh for that public space you're again you were talking mostly the properties of the north the city hall here because of what we're doing around the properties down around city park yeah I think just the the level of commitment the unknown I mean most of these programs want at least a 10e kind of commitment to put it in there uh it certainly could be considered but I think just the proximity and the conversation just unsettled at the park um the other thing is you can do more options with the lane at the park it could it could vary wildly where you put different structures or uses uh and the fields to the north here they're lowland they're flood plane they're they're going to be a natural feature no matter what we do um really the only other uses could be maybe partnering with the land around them to offset mitigation some sort of kind of Blended approach when that property develops or Wetland bank or something but that's that's by the time that really develops you're probably at the 10e Mark so I think it's more of a reasonable area to consider a a 10year restoration if that's of interest to council we can do other things we can plant it with pass here and just where do we want to go with it what's the priority where do you want to spend time it's not an easy answer it's probably why we talked about it for two and a half years but uh we just if there's interest in pursuing one of these grants I know you would like I like that second option do we make a do we make a motion just I just direction for me to engage that and bring back maybe a more detailed plan with one of them just to try holding it down if there is interest in that and I and the reason we recommended number two is because it's the shortest commitment the least Capital we still have the maintenance and and and it would fit that site potentially can we break it down between two part two the the part parcel one and parcel two there's actually there's actually you mean one two three yeah two I'll make a motion we do program number two with field one two and three and so I'll just make that one do have a second hold on do you mean the top one we need the second first or I'll second it if it's what I think it is I'm trying to clarify the okay how about if we call parcel one or parcel two that Fields one two and three was what I time they said parel one okay top grouping okay I'll second that motion any further discussion on that all those in favor say I I so um May I make a motion on yeah person two um I'm going to make a motion we don't do anything with it because we don't have the any idea what the because that's all going to be Park I don't want to limit ourselves so we can do with the park plan so maybe this is something we send to the parks group as they're working with h KGI yeah yeah and I'll second it and then let's have the discussion Jeremy so because we're doing City Park planning now maybe this is an item we bring to the parks and trails commission for their input if they see any value for any of the four Fields identified to take advantage of outside funding to complete some of that work it could be a cost savings to the city and maybe an improvement in the quality of the park def I I think that's a great idea particularly in the direction that we're moving if you look at Field Four on partial two right now a portion of that already been kind of templated for additional Green Space for soccer fields Y and so that's already kind of happen happen as as the master plan is emerging um but that would just identify that as a key strategy to identify what to do with parcel two so I would propose a friendly Amendment to the motion still not do anything but uh bring it to yeah have City not take action now other than to ask for advice from the par yes friendly friendly Amendment accepted friendly second accepted any other discuss I have a clarifying question sure so that's related to pursuing any grants right on that second maybe I'll ask question my follow question would be is do you want us to plant that with like pasture mix now or just hold off this whole false planting season maybe we can deal with that after I just that was a clarifying question in terms of Direction the direction was no to Pur grants on those properties just because of the Comm bring to coun for ideas and then decide we just I think we can do it in our window we just have to try to precise or else we might have to spray or something next year but we're trying to implement more of a permanent solution sorry so you want also so within I think I think I mudded it up I think we'll get parks and trails Direction on if they want us to do anything with it and then if they once get that direction then I'll ask yeah yeah that's true so I think I muted up so I I'll withdraw that question okay did we vote yet nope we haven't so I will call that uh all those in favor say hi that's what I said yeah but it would probably be best done with us yeah yeah some more guidance all right and then with that we just have our 2024 uh city council schedule which is in the agenda uh and subject to change but there's some so the only point of clarification is we do have a work session schedule for the next council meeting uh to discuss the Oswald Farms Business Park y uh just wanted to bring that to your attention thank you and then with that I'm sorry what was the date August 22nd August 22nd thank you um there's nothing else I will entertain a motion to adjourn I move to adjourn a Kemp second all those in favor say I