We're going to call to order the Corkran Planning Commission meeting uh April 3rd, 2025. I'll start with roll call. Commissioner Lind here, Commissioner Hargreaves here, and Commissioner Kazaki here. And I would invite you all to stand and say the pledge of allegiance with me. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. And next, we'll move on to ask staff or any of the fellow commissioners if there's any um amendments needed to tonight's agenda. And if not, then would someone please make a motion for the approval of tonight's agenda? Sure. No changes from staff's point of view. I would make the motion to approve it. I'll second. All those in favor say I. I. Anyone opposed? Nay. Okay. And then we will formally open up the uh open forum. Open forum is an opportunity to be heard um regarding any issue that's not on tonight's agenda. So, if you're here and you'd like to make uh or address the commission um with an issue, you are welcome to come up to the podium. We only take in-person comments. I'm assuming you guys are all here for the item on the agenda tonight, though based on our extra little fuzzy furry visitors. Um, so if there's no one here who would like to address uh the commission during open forum, then I'll make a motion to close the open forum. I'll second the motion. And all those in favor say I. I. Anyone opposed? Okay. And that takes us to approving the minutes from the March 6th meeting. Does anyone have any notes or changes? Okay. Commissioner Lynn, I do. Um, okay. I don't think we have page numbers. So, under the motion for recommendation of approval for preliminary plat. I had voted nay. And the notes say motion pass 30. On which issue? The first one. Um, okay. Let me let me count what page we're on. It's it's under um the Chaz family farm. Okay. So, the motion let me know if you follow me. Yep. Yeah. And I have you saying nay. It says motion pass 300. Oh. Oh, I see what you're saying. Specifically above it, it says voting nay, Lind, but then it does say motion pass. Yep. It should just be 31. Motion pass. We can make those updates. And then one other one is um on the last page it says that I mo made the motion and seconded it. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't remember who seconded it, but I can't do both. I would have seconded it. Yep. We can make those corrections. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. And with that, um, I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes from, uh, March 6, 2025. All those in favor say I. I. Anyone opposed? Okay. And that takes us to tonight's new business, which is a public hearing, city file 25-005 on the commercial can kennel zoning ordinance amendment. And I believe you're doing the staff report, Dwight. Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, the only item uh under new business tonight is a public hearing for a commercial kennel zoning ordinance amendment. Uh this is a request from Marine and Jeffrey Clifford. We're requesting approval of the comprehensive plan amendment uh which would allow commercial kennel operations as a permitted use in the rural residential district. Um, this request would allow the applicants to expand their existing commercial operations at 1080 Trail Haven Road. Um, so just some background on um the request and previous ordinance. Um, the applicants in March 2005 received approval of a conditional home occupation license um, which has allowed them to operate their uh, commercial kennel facility over the last uh, 20 years. In 2017, um the council at that time directed city staff to revise the zoning ordinance to eliminate commercial dog kennels as an allowed use uh in all residential districts throughout the city. Uh and that that ordinance was uh approved in on June 28th, 28, 2018 uh and was uh voted uh three three yay and uh two abstain. Um so our ordinance identifies two types of kennels. Commercial kennels which are a structure or premise where dogs are kept or possessed uh for the business of boarding, breeding, grooming or training to profit. Uh whereas hobby kennels are structures or premises that are located in residential areas not operated as a business for the sale, breeding um for the sale, breeding, grooming, boarding or training. um but rather as a hobby wherein the dogs are kept exclus exclusively for personal or family pets. Uh so the zoning districts where uh commercial kennels are allowed are in the rural commercial, neighborhood commercial and community commercial whereas uh the hobby kennels are allowed in all districts throughout the city. Uh so currently there are only two remaining legal non-conforming uh commercial kennels in the residential districts. the All Seasons K9 Country Club, which is uh the Clipperton's business, and then the Red Farm Pet Retreat, the original facility on Steve Road, which is owned um by Daniel Benjamin. Um so, some background on uh some code enforcement history since that was part of the reason for the amendment in 2018 was concerns over uh noise nuisances. Um staff reviewed complaints over a 16-year span uh on all of the uh properties that contained a commercial kennel, active and inactive. And of all of those properties, um there were only two complaints that the city had received, neither of which were related to the commercial kennel or noise nuisances. Um staff reviewed some uh of the standards and zoning ordinances of our neighboring municipalities and found that uh appears that four out of the six that were researched um allow kennels within residential and rural residential districts of of some sort, whether it be through a conditional use permit or an intram use permit. Um staff found that many of these included some sort of performance requirements um whether they be licensing through the cup or IUP. Um minimum lot size requirements which we saw was typically 2 acres or more. Um fencing requirements to ensure that the dogs don't um run loose on the neighboring properties. um and having them open for inspections just to ensure that they're um meeting health requirements and um minimum minimum setbacks. Uh outdoor facilities so that the animals aren't um confined indoors all day. Um and sound mitigation specifically for panels that have a shared wall with another use. Um so based on on that research and the history um from the code enforcement side, staff finds that this request is reasonable and would recommend that um the ordinance be amended to reinstate this use as an this use as an intram use in the real residential district um with the following performance standards. Commercial kennels must have a secured fence area to prevent dogs running at large. Uh this fenced area must contain at least 35 square feet per dog and shelter from the weather. Uh and each uh kennel facility must be set back at least 75 ft from any residential structure of another property owner uh and must comply with all setback requirements identified in section 1030.020. So at this point, staff recommends that you open the public hearing and take testimony. Um and then we recommend approval of the draft ordinance amending the zoning ordinance to make uh commercial panels as an intram use in the real residential district. Uh and we also recommend approval of the draft ordinance approving the findings of fact for that ordinance amendment. All right. Thank you, Dwight. Okay. At this time, we would like to open the public hearing. Um, and this is an opportunity for any members of the public to um, come up to the podium and uh, address the commission regarding this agenda item specifically. Um, we also will take anyone else and then we'll give the applicant a chance to speak direct like if you want to. You're not required to, but if you'd like to. So, uh, if anyone else wants to come up to the podium, now would be the opportunity. Just state your name and address for the record. Don't feel like you have to though. We won't put you on the spot. But what um but now is the time. And if you're not interested in doing that, that's totally fine. Then we will make a motion to close the public hearing. I'll make a motion. And I will second. All those in favor? I. Anyone opposed? Okay. Um, so now we'll we'll give the applicant an opportunity if you would like to, you know, address the commission. We did get all of the notes in the staff report as well. So, we've been reviewing it. Um, don't feel like you have to. If anyone has questions and maybe we would ask you to come up to the podium and answer a question if we have one, but just want to give you the opportunity. Okay. And at that point, if there is a um commissioner who would like to begin discussion, I would hand it over to you. I guess um Commissioner Kazaki. Yes, go for it. Um so we didn't have a lot of complaints last time around the moratorum was put into place because there were too many requests for channels. I believe at the at the time and this is predates me but from my understanding at that time there were there was concern of an oversaturation with the number of of um conditional home occupation licenses being requested. At that time there were four throughout the city. Um now there are only two um and staff hasn't received too many requests for commercial kennels. So I don't I don't believe that to be um as much of a concern as it as it once was. And I guess my concern, you know, living out in this rural residential area, sound really travels. There's nothing to block it. I mean, you'll hear somebody's stereo or something come. You're not even sure where it's coming from sometimes because it can travel quite a ways. So, my concern is the outdoor areas and if there's if there could be some kind of requirement for fencing, solid fencing, and I've even heard about um like acoustic sound blankets on the fence. Also, I guess if you're 75 ft away from a kennel full of barking dogs, that could be a nuisance. I mean I my sister lived next door to one dog who barked all the time and this was in Corkran and and that was pretty rough. So my daughter worked at a doggy daycare and her first couple weeks there were pretty rough because the dogs bark a lot. I mean almost constant barking at at these facilities for my from what I've heard my experience with it. So, um, some kind of mitigation, sound mitigation would be my concern, whether that's screening like evergreen screening, um, sound blankets, fencing, solid fencing, um, farther away from residential, although the way sound travels, I'm not sure what that distance would be. Um, and then even knowing when when the dogs would be outside. How long would the dogs be outside? They wouldn't be outside after certain hours. Or we could add that as a as a performance standard or it could be something if this were approved as an interim use permit, it could be something that's also tied to each individual intram use permit. Um, you I think you could go either way with it. Yeah, that that's my concern. The sound sound travels. Dogs bark a lot. A lot of dogs make a lot of noise. Um I think I I read somewhere that the noise levels can exceed 100 dB and like a chainsaw is 110, motorcycles 95. So it's loud. That's that's all I have. Does somebody else want to or have anything they wanted to discuss? I I don't have any I guess um I wasn't as concerned about noise or necessarily concerns about this application given that you've been running for 20 years and no complaints. It's really impressive. Um so I didn't have any concerns there. I did have questions the other two kennels. So there's two including this one or there's three. This is one of the two. This is one of the two. Okay. Um, I was going to ask how long that one's been operating. That's the other one that is the only one that's non-conforming is the home site, but they're the ones that's that are building. Yeah, right. That's what I thought. So, this would be the only rural residential one to continue. I believe theirs is still the main site is still rural residential the of Redburn Pet Retreat. It's not rural residential. It's zoned urban reserve right now. Um and I my understanding is that they're intending to continue using that in conjunction with the facility. So that will continue to be a legal non-conforming use. Um but this would be the only one in the rural residential specifically. Okay. Because my other, you know, you think about justification and explaining for future applicants and okay, but if they're the only existing one apart from that one that we would be continuing based on the fact that they've been running for 20 years peacefully in the community, I see that as positive my opinion. Am I mistaken though? Isn't this to change the zoning so that anybody could open a kennel in the rural residential area? I don't have any problem with an existing one that hasn't had any problems and I don't think I would have a problem with you expanding it into training either because you've you've been operating and there's no complaints and it is a request to change the zoning ordinance amendment. However, anybody who wanted to create a new business would still have to get an IUP. So, it's not they couldn't just begin. Um but then changing the zoning ordinance amendment allows um this business that's been operating in Corkran to now add a different um service to their business. They couldn't do that without changing the the ordinance or they Yeah, correct. They wouldn't be able to expand without amending the ordinance. They couldn't get another I IUP or Correct. Yeah. Because it's it's no longer and they're sort of grandfathered in. So they can't make a change, right? they couldn't make a change unless the city was willing to make a change. Okay. I will I will just point out part of the interim use uh requirements for an IUP. Uh one of the requirements is that the conditional or the interim use will not be injurious to the use or enjoyment of other property in the immediate vicinity uh for the purposes already permitted. So this is something that would be reviewed with every single application. So things like sound and and uh hours of operation will be something that would be reviewed with every application. One other question on that line. So say another one was approved, it it went ahead and then the neighbors realized that it was it was a nuisance. There was a lot of barking involved. Then then what what is the recourse for for the neighbors once it's been approved and it proves to be a problem? Well, you can address specifically but there are already noise uh hours of like you know your neighbor can't blare music at 1:00 in the morning, right? You could make a a complaint. So there if it became an issue outside of what is already existing other like um so let's say all of the complaints came during hours that were appropriate to have sound then I think it would have to be um something that's brought up to the city in terms of making amendments. If the nuisance complaints were happening outside of the appropriate hours then there's action that the city could take to remove or restrict the IUP. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. if they're if they're violating any of the conditions with the IUP. So that would include normal hours of operation and um even just you know if they're exceeding specific noise concerns that are conditioned within that interim use permit the city does have the option to revoke that. What if the dog barked constantly? Have many many dogs barked constantly all day, eight hours a day between eight and five that would be okay. So I'm guessing in in a situation where we would issue that intram use permit, there would be a condition in there that would address that, you know, you know, hours. So if there's excessive amounts of parking, um, you know, we'd have a condition that addresses that. And if they violate that condition, then that IUP can be revoked by the city and they couldn't do that operation anymore on the site. Yeah, I would definitely like to see something in there that I don't know. You're in um Bellweather Red Barn Pet Retreat is over in that area. But that one is not does not fall under this. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. But soundwise and actually in a more dense area, the sound doesn't travel as much either because buildings and trees and everything. It It doesn't travel quite as much as the open area. Um I Oh, go ahead. I was just going to say it. You know, I I too have a concern about some and I noticed um when you did your research there were you mentioned the STC rating of 55. So if you were to add a sound requirement for this, how would you determine what that would be? So, we'd have to do some more research as to what that threshold would be because that S STC 55 is specific for commercial kennels that share a wall like if it was like a strip mall or if it was like a duplex or something that I don't that's what that 55 is. So, I don't know if that'd be applicable in this situation. So I'd have to do some more research to understand what a that reasonable yeah that I don't think that would be applicable for an exterior noise because that's right that's typically interior noise right so I think you it it would be I would be curious on how you would manage that noise level on the exterior that's where it might be well it might be like a temporal like you know how what's the duration of the barking is it ex eating a certain amount of times that the condition that we would want to add to it or and I think before we go too far down that road, we need to back up to remember that during the time when there were four operating, there were two complaints and none of them were noise. And so I think that we what what the staff report showed me is that the change in the ordinance amendment back in 2018 was unnecessary. And I do not want to be somebody who sits here and creates another unnecessary um restriction uh on a business that is is operating when there hasn't been proof or history of it being an issue. And so at this point in time, um I think that because each applicant would need to come through requesting an IUP, uh that the changes listed to the ordinance amendment um are they're standard to what we would make to any uh ordinance amendment moving forward. And so I'm not sure that there needs to be um anything else specifically added. Um there is always a first time for everything. So I I don't think personally I would I would prefer to have something regarding noise and my understanding. No, where I get concerned is I live in the rural res residential area and I have livestock. Let's say my chickens or my horses or my pigs start making more noise than somebody like at what point is it um is it that something that needs to be regulated versus something that is appropriate for the space that you have? they have enough acreage. The dogs have been in here the whole time without making a sound. And I just think that the city through the interim use pro uh permitting process has the um ability to make changes as necessary for each interim use permit. Mhm. So in the ordinance, why would we preemptively restrict something um through additional cost or unnecessary like you begin to put up um a 100% opacity of fencing and now you change the look of a rural area and the ability to perceive open space. Um and that's a huge cost as well. And at what point does um for which type of um outdoor animal is that required? Before we go down that rabbit hole, I would again go back to I I personally am not looking for any type of physical item that you would place to limit so sound. I just think it's good to have that looked at. So when somebody comes in, it's not saying, "Oh, you got to you got to do SDC 75 for your exterior or whatever." I'm not I guess that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is and you mentioned area. I mean, if the more area you have, the better it's going to be. So, I just would like to have the city cognizant of the sound issue before they go to work. So, I'm not I'm not requiring any type of limitation, physical limitations. So, I guess what I'm concerned about because in it it in the resolution, the language of the resolution, what are you asking to be added that's not already in there that would make sure that the city is aware of the noise issue? because if we're not willing to uh pass this as it exists, then we would need to suggest an amendment to be made. Where's the resolution? It begins on page, it says it's there's page 505 is the staff report and then page one begins the resolution. So, this is the terminology that makes the resolution that would actually be changing the amendment that's listed in our city code. So if there's something in here that you want to specifically include, then we need to propose what that language is. Otherwise, I believe that more than one of us is willing to just pass it as it exists. But we do need a three vote in order to have a motion pass. So if there's something that exists in this resolution that you want to amend, then that is uh what you would propose. I see some of these setbacks in the review of the other nearby cities. Um the outdoor animal areas must be at least 125 ft. I don't know if that would pose a problem for your particular one, but that you know that's double what the 75 ft. on double but almost maybe changing the 75 ft to 125 make a difference and it's consistent with what other cities have done you think that would be an issue that would be too much of a problem I guess my question would be how do you know that it is um one going to address your concern and because it is limiting them the space that a business owner owns but can use for their business. And so if we're asking someone to do that, I would want to make sure that it would actually address your concern and be necessary. Otherwise, it just feels like we're restricting. Yeah. And I have like herb burn about an existing community business making them make any changes that are going to detract from their mission when they've had no complaints for 20 years. As I said, I'm not looking for any kind of physical limitations. So, well, maybe it's okay with the permits being required. Yes, sir. If I if I can real quick, um, it's regarding the Red Barn retreat and such. We've had this discussion with that with that owner and such and it it's it's was one of the conversations that that owner has a policy of no barking and I don't believe that dogs bark period. Happy dogs bark, stress dogs bark. You can control together. Um knowing knowing the Clippertons and the group that they have training their dogs, it's it's mediated. It's it's watched. It's it's monitored by them. Um, Madam Chair, you had a good point. I've got cows across the street. I've got two barking dogs that are probably a mile away from my place, but I live in the country. It's going to happen. I call up. I know the owners. Hey, could you do something with your dog? Yeah, they're barking. We're sorry. We'll take it. It's just it's a it's a community. It's what it is. Um, Commissioner Lyn, you talked and this is a 20-year operation and what they do um by helping the veterans what they do by helping and it's not a favor to us. It's they help with they help with Zeke and now they're helping with Rocky. I mean, it's a good business. It's doing well. they're monitoring such. I understand the concerns and noise and stuff, but that's where we have to step in and make that determination to put it to in my mind to put it to paper and and stipulations related to some stuff. It It's just more regulations and stuff that makes it difficult to do. I'm waiting for Red Barn to open and being able to drive by and not hear about a dark barking dog because he he made the comment he has a contract. Your dog barks, they don't stay here anymore. So, dogs bark and and again, if they're being mishandled, misused, stuff like that, they're going to bark more. It's a signal for us to intervene and such. I I think for right now, it's something good. I didn't realize as a council member that we had the stipulation no more. Um I I did not know that. I did not know we had four out there back in 2017. So I'm learning right along with you all. But uh this is a good business. They're doing good things. Adding the training side that'll help train out some of the barking. We we've got our dogs in and we don't appreciate our dog in barking in our 13 acre parcel and when she does it's a it's hey there's something wrong. There's somebody driving down the driveway. It it's it's not obscene. But when it gets obscene it is time for for our police department, our public safety group to intervene and take care of those things. So that's that's my input on it. Um, again, Red Barn, huge building, beautiful place. Um, a lot of people from Belleather, Amberly, and the community up in that general area are all for it. It It is crazy how much support there was for the Red Barn Retreat to grow and such. So, okay, that's good to know. It's a big It's a big deal. And I think it was before you guys got on here and stuff. I think we're we're working with the with the owners and stuff to to do things right where Marine and and Jeff are and stuff. It is I don't know how close the houses or anybody is to you Marine and stuff but it's a distance away and such houses I'm the first property off 117. So, you don't drive any by anything. They drive by me. And my house is the closest to the building of anybody. I don't like barking dogs. And I have six, you know, because we breed, right? And they don't bark. If they bark, I tell them, "Hey, you know, we don't do that." Dervous dogs aren't meant to bark. So, yeah. I I mean I'm not a fan of art but this point in time unless somebody wants to make a recommendation to add something to the resolution. Um I would make a motion to pass the resolution as it exists. I'll second. All those in favor say I. I. And anyone opposed say they nay. Okay. And then that takes us to uh so then the recommendation for the ordinance amendment goes on to the city council. His tail's been his tail's been wed to introduce the guests. Yes, I think it's Jace and Kelly. So my husband and I have been breeding dogs specifically for service dogs for veterans and we serve Minnesota veterans and have trained. Um we've done 59 dogs and we have currently six that are from this group that are in training and when they get to be about 16 month old, 18 months old, um they'll be placed with their veterans. So, the building that we're repurposing that's been on our property um isn't for outside clientele. We're not adding to our business. We're just simply having a dedicated space um for these dogs because we'd like to instead of doing 10 a year, we'd like to do 20 to 25 because there is a demand for it. Um well, and I was going to ask, may I ask how you place? Like what is the process for placing a dog with a veteran? Word of mouth. We tell people that we're here and they reach out and they can apply to receive a dog. Um, they usually get clearance between we have a clinical psychologist that we work through that do the screening for us and then also like usually they're working with the VA. The VA approves them saying that they're um well mentally to care for a dog. Um, and then who do a um 120 hours worth of direct dog training with the dog that's paired with them. And really we don't pick the dog for the peak leadership. The dog picks the person they choose to um partner up with. And um it's it's very uh satisfying. For 10 years we've self-funded and done everything oursel and we placed our dogs through other agencies. But over time unfortunately we found that not all nonprofits are ethical. sadly and um and I just couldn't send our dogs through that anymore. And so we decided that we were going to just do it from start to finish instead of doing 85% and leaving the last 10% to somebody else that really didn't have the relationship. So these dogs, you know, live in our homes. Um they're welded in my bedroom. Um bleeps on the coat. Yeah. Um, and so it's it's really I mean it saves lives and like I said we do it all in zero cost to the veterans. So there's no cost to them for any part of any process of receiving a dog. And so how how old are the dogs when they when you pair them with a a 16 to 18 months. Oh really? Um dogs are sense trained. Um, you know, because we start at birth, we really have a jump on it versus a lot of people will raise dogs and then say, "Oh, 8, nine, 10 months old, I'm going to turn this into a service dog." We've genetically tested all of our dogs to the point where we know they'll have zero health issues um to distract them from their ability to serve as long as possible. And so, we've got dogs that have actually been in service for nine years now. And um they our goal is to try to have them be in full service capacity for 10 to 11 years, maybe 12. Um and with the genetics that we have um we don't keep male stud dogs. I just keep dogs that I like. We get the semen from them. Weific service dog. So we keep the the girls. So I've got great grandma, grandma at the house with me. Um, these guys are six months. Yeah. And this is, you know, this is well behaved, the crazy stage. This is active. Um, we train with all of our um volunteers. Jenna's been with us at all seasons for like 19 years. The beginning 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. I mean again said I mean I can't stand barking. I know Dr. Bark, but like your daughter's had an abnormal experience, but that's what you see when you have commercial cattle. I hate to say it, but in commercial buildings and things of that nature that are and that's I think you guys sounds ideal. No complaints. You guys have been there forever. My my concern was more opening it up and what are the restrictions and what are you know what are our repercussions? Um but yeah, I mean our hopes is that really eventually with the property um is that ideally I'd like to potentially donate this to the nonprofit and have it live on through younger people and myself and then you know um yeah you guys do an amazing job. And just real quick and I I know I get to say more when I sit up there the next time you come in front of us and stuff. someone like Marine and Jeff um and these kle these two kennels that we have so to speak and stuff help us write a a strong ordinance that's still respectful and honoring not only the dogs but the people that own those kennels and the neighbors that are close to the input that we had from the neighbors um around bell weather and stuff. Oh my god, we need this. These guys are great. This group is great trainers and stuff. That that's the support I like and appreciate as as on the council and as a member of this community that these folks do a good job. But I will do everything as long as I'm sitting up there to prevent something that isn't going to fit into our community or we've got owners that don't care as much as these guys do. I mean at our property just you know there's no planners, there's no nothing. If you drive by, you wouldn't even know who to and we kind of prefer it that way. You know, we don't advertise. We don't do anything. People have been coming to us for over 20 years. Um I know a lot of us love I just was at the birthday celebration of a 100th birthday for a World War II veteran on Monday and just have a very um deep uh a lot of friends and um so anyway, I just really appreciate um what you guys do and that you're working to improve the lives of people with invisible wounds. So, super appreciated. Thank you for coming and introducing your guests and thanks for bringing them. That was fun. [Music] high schools and things like that for kids that need to build their college resume and things like that. So we work with my dreams high school academy mom high school mom you know the out river kids just really for an ability for them because when we get them to the stage where they completed all their public service access work to get clearance to go everywhere. We then have people because the more people that get handling them it it strengthens their skill when they're at this juvenile phase. They stay with their like foster razors and things like that until their skills are perfect. And then, you know, we've got high school kids that will pick them up after school, take them for three hours, you know, go to the Nard, slam lids, make noises, drop things so that they work on picking up, you know, things sitting there, not having any distraction for noises because they have to stay focused for their job. Sign me up. I live I live off County Road 30. I'm coming. I mean, we try to do as much of that as possible. um to increase their skill set but also allow other people to contribute because at the end you know for 10 years now we've had a graduation for our dogs over at Rush Creek Golf Course and we used to get three 400 people to come every year and to see that kind of final handoff um and the changing of lives from those people like the narrative that I had sent in um it's amazingly different and then you create this you know, brotherhood and sisterhood of people that go on then to support the next generation that gets the dogs. So since we quit sending our dogs out, we already have a group of veterans that have come through a couple of times with their graduation and then they come back and we start the next training group and they like to help with that to help those other veterans part of it, you know, and so we do lunch on Wednesdays usually with the veterans at a different restaurant hopefully and ask River, you know, um, you know, uh, or Big and things like that or short and tall and stuff like that. So, we're around quite a bit with the doc. Awesome. And they are all like ESA certified. They've gone through flight training and the dogs are on airplanes and we have two on this week that were at the airport flying with dogs. So, um they get [Music] completed dedicated space. We very much appreciate train people. Cool. Well, we really appreciate you guys coming out and um we appreciate the work you're doing in our city. I think it makes it just another reason why it's a great place to live. Great, great bunch of people. So, appreciate that. Thank you. Have a good night. You're welcome to stay for the rest of it, but it gets kind of boring. It gets kind of boring from here on out. We're almost done. Good job, you guys. Thank you so much. When we do graduation, we will send things to everybody. Probably about February. We'll probably see you at the river in there, too. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And at this point in time, you have something else for us. Yes. Um, so the only item that I have left is, um, Mayor McKe requested that I just notify the commission of some online resources for you guys to look into and keep up to date with, um, some of the bills that are being reviewed at the legislature um because there's a lot of them right now and it's important because a lot of it does impact development in the city of Portland. So um, on our web page, corpor.gov, gov. You just hover your mouse over our government and then go down to council. You can see a tab come out for 2025 proposed bills. Um and this is updated regularly with all of the different bills that are being reviewed at the state. So, um these are all being voted on at separate times, but it's important just to um just keep tabs on them and understand how that impacts your role as a as a planning commissioner. And some of them are just in committee. So like when you talk about being voted on, they're not being voted on at the floor. They're just being voted to get through to committee or not get through to committee, etc. Anybody have any questions about that? I think I read there's a second committee deadline that they they cancel the hearing on the 25th, March 25th, and then there's a second committee deadline tomorrow actually. So I I think that's just for the hearing. I don't think it's to literally vote on them. Right. Am I right? There. No. uh right it's committee and so a lot of times like some of it is followup from what's been presented in the past couple of years so you I I believe if you were to go to each proposed legislation you could uh like on the um website of not Corkran but the state legislature you could see the history um so to the best of my knowledge nothing has made it to be voted on every nothing has come out of committee in the past few years so but I do think that like the fact that a lot of it is repeated information yeartoyear um that is something to watch out for. Oftentimes legislation at the state can take 10 years of being reviewed each year before it gets voted. So I just think when you start to see a pattern of it coming up time and time again year after year, it's something that um now is the time to get input on it. Just like when we're here like and we appreciate the public input, by the time it's here a lot of times the best time to give input is a few years before. And I think that's sort of why this exists. So um if something is of interest, definitely reach out to your uh representatives um and and give your thoughts and opinions on that as well. What I did see in a in a few of these was I don't know what you'd call it, a stipulation that infrastructure had to support whatever it was that they were wanting to do. A lot of it, a lot of it is, not to scream fire or anything, but a lot of the stuff that is in here would not work with the current destructure, sewer water, bigger pipes, things that have to be dug up. It would just blow up. And a number of these takes away the city's ability to have it ability and stuff to thoroughly think over some of these developments and those kind of things. One of them would just throw everything out willy of Billy and it would allow 75 foot I think the number one apartment buildings anywhere in uh the non non-developed part of Henipin County and stuff. actually the whole state would it just some of it is just so out of this world. You have a feeling that any of these may actually pass and be put into law. So I would just it's enough that they're up there and it it's something that our legislators have to know. Yep. Say it. Nope. I'm not gonna say it. Oh, come on. Nope. Um not gonna say it. Okay. Anything in the planning project update or the city council report? Does anyone have any questions for the planning project update for Dwight? Um or I hope you all had the opportunity as well just to I mean I guess I'd like to introduce Seth. Seth, do you want to introduce yourself and who you are and when you joined the city? Sure. Yeah. Uh Seth Gellman, nice to meet you. I'm the community development administrative assistant. So um came from uh Henipin County and uh worked at um for the state courts and the legislature. So happy to be here working for the city. So thank you. Welcome. Great resource. You have any questions about that or just want to, you know, jaw about it. I was going to say, do you live in the area? Yeah, I live in uh Golden Valley. Oh, nice. Okay. So, if no one has any questions for Dwight uh regarding the uh planning project update, does anyone have anything for Commissioner Baron Camp? I did hear something recently about the um mobile home park on Maple. Yeah. Way being purchased property. The way I understand it has been purchased. A new a new company owns that and there's some challenges to that ownership change and not much we can do as a city other than to assist both sides and such. But yes, it was purchased and the new company is making changes. How's that? Are they planning to redevelop it? No, nothing to any of us as of yet. It's just it's there wasn't time um right away. There was some uh we've got ordinances in our city related to um stalled vehicles, idle vehicles. they need to be registered to to exist and stuff. There's a number in in a few of those residents that are not roadw worthy, are not licensed and stuff. And this this company that purchased our cleaning some of those things up and such. And there's there's a lot of of things going both ways, but it it's not for the city to get involved. It's private property. It's their contract. It's it's their traditional use permit. It's they're they're following up with what's going on. So, um they the all of those citizens are welcome in our community and many of them been here probably longer than most of us and uh that's their home and we respect I respect that very much and and respect uh what they're doing and and how they're going about it. But there's some changes going on that some of the folks don't like and that's that's a problem between those folks and the new owners. So uh we are here public safety is very much involved keeping everybody safe and stay neutral and uh trying to mitigate everything as much as possible to the least amount of issues. So great question does planning expect the Kyani and the new temple to go forward on May 1st? Yes. Realistically, both of those are planned for May 1st. And I believe there's another application for May 1, just that you have it. It's my birthday. I was kind of like maybe it won't maybe it'll be like you're once you get to a certain once you get to a certain age, Lindsay, you can celebrate your birthday any day you want. You know what? All right. You're right. You're right. Okay. In add in addition to that the St. Thomas uh you also right what better way to celebrate your birthday. I would agree. I went to preschool there. Okay. So if nobody has anything else then I am going to make a motion to adjourn tonight's meeting. I'll second. All those in favor say I. I. And anyone opposed?