go ahead and call the meeting to order we'll start with a roll call mck here lanterman here bota yep Baron Camp here Nichols to stand and join the in theedge Ali flag of the United States of America and to the rep One Nation God indivisible withy andice for all thank you okay agenda approval uh is there anything from staff uh yes mayor uh item 6B is removed okay item 7 C was updated item 7g was updated item 7h was updated item 7j was removed item 8A was removed and item 11a was added no other Chang anything can councel hey I will entertain a motion to uh approve the agenda as amended so move second all those in favor say I I okay U Mr Mayor could I ask you for one thing as we are transitioning with our city clerk could you reiterate uh for the recording who made the motion and who made the second it will help us out a lot as we're trying to do minutes right now nich made the motion second by very C perfect that was 5 okay uh um where were we commission Representatives I've got uh Karen and Gary is online and Gary is online perfect and then we have open Forum if anyone would like to speak on a non-agenda item tonight now is the opportunity to on up to the mic otherwise we uh ladies and gentlemen if anybody has anything they'd like to comment or question about uh just direct to the council come up to the microphone State your issue and uh we have received no cards and we received no emails okay then we will move on to item six which is um a presentation we have several uh recognitions um blanking on the official title of the award yeah so just some citizen recognition items for some uh some of our citizens are really stepped up in a in a pretty significant way in our community so for those of you that don't know my name is Matt gutach I'm the director of Public Safety and corkran um and to kind of kick things off our corkran communities always prioritize safety and care for our residents and visitors and the evidence of these priorities are clear just about anywhere you go in our community both in the time and money year after year from our residents Our Community Partners like lions and JC's our elected officials and our First Responders and City staff um and the paid on paid and onall caregivers are not the only reason we're one of our safest cities in Minnesota um we're successful on the safety and care because of the relationship and our partners um within the community that share ownership that we have in keeping our home and our neighbors safe and cared for in C um the day in and day day in and day out work of our community caregivers is recognized and appreciated but this evening we're honored to have the opportunity to recognize a few very special people who saw the need for help in our community and stepped up without hesitation in two separate instance we saw special people emerge from our community to care for others they weren't unseen because they were called there or because receiving recognition they were there because they saw people in our community in need of help these acts of these brave men and women not only highlight their compassion and character but also their embodiment of the spirit and care and safety that our city aspires to provide all our residents so with that I'd ask our mayor Tom mcke to please recognize these individuals on behalf of the city of court all right you want to go with in by name sure um so um night if you would if you please step up Aaron Case John Shook and Megan McMahon and Megan for those of you who do not know on the morning of May 14 2024 a dump truck collided with a small car at the intersection of County Road 19 and County Road 30 in corkran the driver the car sustained severe injuries Witnesses called 911 for help and our First Responders started on their way at this time John shuk was passing through the area in an out of service ambulance when he came upon the crash Megan McMahon was driving home from her night shift as a nurse when she also came upon the scene John and Megan immediately began providing emergency medical care to the driver of the car they were joined very shortly thereafter by off duty St Michael firefighter Aaron Case Aaron began opening the mangled car door deflating the vehicle's airbag and assisting with patient care they continued to help provide care until the patient was removed from the vehicle this immediate care provided by John Megan and Aaron surely saved the life of the driver all right that and our second incident would like to recognize the following individual so your name please forward and forgive me if I mispronounced some name Adam Lang Doug dobinski Matt Clark Steve even R and Amanda R on the afternoon of May 18th 2024 a motorcycle in par glided on Drive in corp the driver of the motorcycle was seriously injured uh is this what you double up here my apologies I've got your back man I apprciate I appreciate it people scene in front of me uh tonight immediately jumped into action and began providing life-saving Medical Care to the motorcycl their assist with patient care CPR and moving the patient for transport played a critical role in the life-saving efforts of our First Responders Adam Doug Matt Steven and Amanda behalf of the entire city of corpin and the Corp Community please accept our sincere thank you and recognition of your Brave and selfless act and Serv what's that there one for me oh yeah thank you thank you everyone that was able to make it tonight and uh really again from our you know from the bottom of our hearts we really appreciate the work of of uh of you guys and the and the help in our community so thank you all right now you have to stick around for the rest we won't we won't do that to you you guys rock thank you so much the family and supporting people coming in though that's fantastic thank you glad to be proud of meet youo have a good night being here bud take care good job thanks man thank we'll see you later thank you good it's all right you're allow yeah you should that's so cool I think we all should just go I think we could pretty soon I believe Megan with the changes things are good family coming in from like out of state going for this so just got to clip my mouth pretty cool make the go f yeah that is really awesome they were asking thank you man delay it till they got here right couple minutes they made it they did yes okay we will move on to consent agenda which uh which consists of items 7A through 7 uh is it see here I I 7 a through 7 I now uh does anyone want to pull anything motion to approve consent agenda B second Nichols okay all those in favor say I I cares by thank you very much on to let's see your planning that item was removed from the agenda on to unfinished business we have a public comment opportunity for anyone still here and interested in speaking on items 9A or 9B I think we're good so we'll go into item 98 thank you mayor council um for those that maybe haven't been on the for that long a couple of years ago um developers started coming to the city and asking for early grading uh agreements or opportunities and so that the template that's included in both this item and the next item were developed by Council in connection with engineering staff and the City attorney so it's attached to the reference document here uh one of the one of the uh conditions of that policy is that the council also approves an early grading request so that's what we're trying to accomplish over the next two items of year formal approval for that request staff would then follow that template or any condition that you would want to include there's some additional recommendations um in the staff report so that's a little bit of context for that why it's here and why it's in front of you um the this agenda items related to the Woodland Hills development on the northeast corner of pack on the road to 116 um it's been entitled they're processing through final plat um and they're just asking to get going usually maybe four to six weeks early what they gain out of it developer in our that can be atent agj um U the recommendation is just to include some additional language related to a comp plan Amendment uh and then there's also an agreement on place for uh for this property related to a hackamore road project that we just want to maintain and gets carried forward I don't think they're problematic to the developer at all but we' recommend including that language uh in the form with that if be happy to answer any questions otherwise we would recommend to give them staff any questions for Kevin yeah I have a question um and I it's in the annoyance uh prevention department the yeah we had and this is not to say you're in this category but we had those people early grade and they had the giant Hills yeah on uh hack just on the other Corner um do we have this do we have cease and dis Authority on their grading if things get out of control or within with outside of the city code because if it's outside of the contract in the in the code yes I don't there's some hypotheticals in your question there but there is some discretion I would say that the the situation you refer to the other side didn't even have an early grading agreement that was was through their grading process oh okay your question above the stock piles is one Element consideration um usually those those conditions would be uh put into the development contract and titl but a lot a lot of times self con contain you can only get a a Two To One Max slope and so depending on what you're doing uh it's typically not a problem for smaller sites it it can be a problem for larger sites okay so when you get into the larger sites that is something that should be I guess qu quy question for considerations but on this side I think they're py constrained and I I don't think you'd see you'll see stock files because they're moving dirt but I don't think it and I don't think it will stay there for a long time because it's all one phase so nine phase development and covers multiple phases that's where that more problematic than I imagine it's a lot less dirt and like you said for a lot shorter duration they're motivated to not have stock files because they want to move forward so fingy all right any other questions they've already started so is that U they I assume it's okay so yep so they um I I identified that there is a land disturbance grading permit in place in the property that they pursued ahead of the development uh they went to the Watershed for all that so they met all the standards of our code okay that would expire and be replaced by this uh so that is something you know there are less limitations on height and setbacks in those land disturbance things so that would be a whole separate conversation if they were if that was a concern of council um but yes in this case they they are approved in through wat should for what they're what they're doing okay that's all I have thanks Mr Mayor anyone else I've got nothing on it so if there's no other questions I'll entertain a motion to authorize staff to execute a final version of the early site grading work agreement contingent uh upon the specified conditions in the uh for the future Woodland Hills development I'll second or I'll make that motion I'll second second uh any further discussion all those in favor say I iOS I vote you thanks man' luck on to 9B uh we have a early grading request uh regarding Corr storage yeah thank you may counil I'll take this one as well very uh very similar request so I won't repeat myself um the the additional recommended language that staff would like to see incorporated as a condition would be is also described in the report that basically making sure they're in good standing with all other permits within the city limits and that's actually a that we're going to would recommend you include in the overall template just to clarify for all developers going forward yeah there's never a reason not to have yeah that's just a enhanced document recommendation so um and so I guess if you have this is a little bit more complicated because this is actually a Cy a site performance agreement instead of a development contract so Corp and storage 2 is that property in the very Southwestern corner of the city of Corin up a Highway 55 so we have a formal Cy agreement usually for smaller site development projects instead of a mass development so um we're we're recommending because we didn't create a specific agreement for that this is the first cypa early grading request we've seen uh and they have signed all the cypa documents and provided the assurity they're still waiting on some additional information related to State Highway 55 minda and some buffer things they working through with planning so um they're making this request so they've signed everything there's mention that would accept that as the document but we wouldn't release the grading until all the same conditions so good standing with the permits water shed have approved so we kind of carry the same methodology forward and we would accept the cypa in of creating a new document so we feel it needs the intent of what we're trying to accomplish that would be the uniqu thisf and I be happy to answer any questions site or what perfect thank you any question questions for Kevin think we're good then I will Entertain Entertain this time and not make um motion to authorize staff to release the grading permit once the conditions of the early site grading work agreement have been met for the future Corr storage to development as recommended in the staff report I'll second no you can make a motion I'll wait I'll make the motion C thank you any further disc discussion all those in favor say I thank thanks D you're welcome that's first the stubborn hold that on kind of first all righty glor in making the second so there you go he's all I didn't like being I couldn't fair enough okay on to to item we have nothing in new business uh item 10 we have 11a which was added which is 24 uh 2024 cor strategies goals and measurables Jay I think yes mayor so this is uh both uh an update to provide you information on where we're at with our core strategy shortterm goals and measurables uh request to add two new measurables and to remove one measurable uh so uh going through there the document in front of you I am happy to report I was actually very surprised sat down with staff this week to see the progress that we've made to be at this point in the year so uh if you look at what's what's in front of you there for that document uh staff has successfully uh achieved at least 90% of the measurables that were established by Council in January that's pretty remarkable uh there's there's some significant muscle movements that happen so just to go through them quick uh one measurable was to create a map of existing Trails uh that was completed on March 26th another one is pero planning for city park and then the boardwalk and bellweather Bell weather 10 brief on August 8th will address the plan uh which we just met on Tuesday uh uh while City Park planning is continuous on goinging and just in tonight's agenda there was stuff related to City Park planning uh so that's ongoing uh update the park standards was part of course strategy uh that provide diverse Community amenities and recreational opportunities the park standards were approved by City Council on June 13 2024 uh and then you wanted a brief on the sources and uses and to do a joint work session both of those things were accomplished in our joint session on April 25th um going towards uh the desire to maintain excellence and safety in our community uh there was a measurable to plan and execute a brief on the potential of automated license plate readers uh all per uh brief occurred on the 2nd of February and then the contract was approved on April 4th and we actually just had our first all per hit when when was that Matt was that yeah we have the the systems are up and operational we're finally we're waiting for final uh authorization or acknowledgement from the BCA before we go live pushing it out but we did get the first hit and they're up in function was probably about a week ago uh measurable number two is to review and assess fire service action planning that's actually not supposed to happen till the third the end of the third quarter uh that's ongoing uh and then I'm asking Council to add a measurable number three in this category for Safety and Security uh for a cannabis ordinance and to complete that by the fourth quarter if you recall we currently have a moratorium that's going to uh end at the end of the year and so um having that as a measurable will help staff prioritize that to ensure that we're posted it's in January it ends in January January I'm sorry so it's January 25 yeah we just want to be done we want to be done by December I'm glad you brought that up because I was def when I initially saw that was sinking end of 2025 so it's and really end 2020 we're about seven that's so I'd like to add that as a measurable measurable number the a cannabis ordinance okay uh going under ensure high quality Market driven growth uh number one measurable was joint work session with the Planning Commission that occurred on May 21st and we discussed doning at that time uh number two was to update code to address the city's discretion to allow density of less than three uh happy to report that the new land use designation of conservation residential with a density of two to three units per acre did not require a zoning change uh so that wasn't necessary and we were able to um confirm that it was why didn't we go one to three on that thing uh it was the calculus so if you remember as you change it we we were able to accommodate the the two two to three yeah we're able to accommodate more land think yeah we do more land with a two to three and then we can maybe refine that number as we get closer to the 20 yeah 50 plan uh number three was to identify Financial modeling firms I actually shared with you on April 1 the Northland memo on property tax system that provided a financial modeling understanding that Egan used uh that addressed some of our concerns particularly related to fiscal disparities uh and uh I would like to add a measurable number four uh which is to clarify business part code to ensure that it aligns with desired outcomes uh part of the reason that um staff is asking for that we received a email from uh property owners who have property that is guided business partk and and they have some concerns and some confusion related to the code uh as we've had um staff conversations we've got some confusion in concerns and so I think it would be really helpful for us to invest some time and energy to clarify to ensure that staff is bringing you um options that align with uh what council would like to see align with the desired outcomes and so would like to add that as a fourth measurable under Ure high quality Market driven growth uh finally uh to provide high quality Innovative Municipal services that course strategy uh Bri fund Investments and use potential uses of Interest was the first measurable if you remember 4M and PMA rep briefed Council on March 28th uh on uh our current investment strategy uh number two is to create a subcommittee to meet and update related to uh future facilities needs staff is requesting that we uh move this to 2025 with current Staffing priorities and emerging needs uh we believe that this will we'll have the people in place to have a better discussion about this in 2025 we'll have uh greater capacity and flexibility to to have a better conversation so are we gonna RFP that by the way well if you'd like us to I think we talked about it that night yeah uh or what the our Municipal money management oh oh the forign park um I will come back with that um with our budget brief okay that's fair uh and then the last uh measurable it it's not my decision I'm sort of ask I mean I have a lot of opinions about that but I've expressed them yeah and I think we can have a discussion out when it comes to uh back with what J was saying okay that works yeah the way I remember the conversation on the 4M fund was when we had a finance manager we would want to engage with them and figure out is there likely to be something better than the 4M fund finance manager acting in fiduciary capacity of forn fund chance and one of those options could be an RFP there are other advisors that would be a fiduciary that wouldn't pick their own funds it's the pro financial advisor picking proprietary funds that is the irritating so sta sta will do some further investigation we do have a finance manager now uh with limited capacity if you remember we need to hire an accountant So currently dual haded uh once we have that accountant on board I think we'll have greater flexibility in order to provide better feedback uh lastly uh is to brief a brief of Staffing as part of the budget process uh we actually did a full City organizational reorganization that was briefed and approved by Council on April 23rd uh so that's where we are at uh and again staff would request that you add those two measurables and you remove that one measure sounds good and I think we can do that just by a motion yeah can I can I add some short commentary yeah absolutely um I had a meeting or discussion at North ambulance on Saturday and found out that they have a new um base it's 116 and 55 and historically speaking we didn't it's a base in theory it's okay when when they refer to Bases it's in some cases it's at a parking spot some cases it's a act you park the ambulance inside inside somewhere outside somewhere or at a fire department so maybe just a little bit down from like madina's building on by the McDonald's okay gotcha um so I know that at one point I was going to do the fire thing by myself and then maybe a couple months ago I said I could not possibly do that by myself so the we should I don't know if we'll get that done in the third quarter but we might have to move that or or that's a big project I don't know how that get accomplished especially when we tried to comb in my mind the fire and the um medical are related yeah and I don't know if they should be okay there's a lot of stuff going on there and I and I I don't even know where to begin fair enough fair enough if if I could follow that up mayor and councel I I also believe that this conversation about fire service and that action plan is directly correlated to our future campus planning like there are implications as far as the discussion and so they that probably could coincide so when you talk about delaying that conversation and doing the subcommittee in 2025 unless Matt would protest it might make sense to delay that to 2025 as well anything else any comments question oh do we have to approve or I want to I want to actually add something but not specifically in related to this document so so in this this was actually not not for a vote this was for guidance and then I'll bring it back based upon the guidance that we received on those action items next council meeting so I think we have consensus that we're good with the changes okay there yeah I want to talk about that there's the project that is on we had a uh look at it the United properties project on 116 and 30 and the feedback that we gave to them there's a couple kind of lines of feedback at least as I heard them and even said them myself um I don't I don't believe that what they're proposing um aligns with our zoning um I continued to say it's heavy industry and it's a distribution center which is not an office Park and his comment when he left was um well I'll continue to work with staff and whatever and um from what I see it's so far away from what we're looking for or and it's in in my opinion it's it doesn't even fit within Zone and so um staff continues to work with them in on some capacity and I just want to be I want to make it clear to the applicant that um their application uh as it as it sits as we've seen it is not within zoning and I would say the word unappetizing um and I would uh I would want to be clear about that so we don't put a bunch of work into it and maybe they don't put a bunch of work into it it in I've seen their other projects I've looked at it um and I just flat out don't think it belongs and we should have that be known rather than see a preliminary application that we already have said we don't like and and when you talk about tweaks like we're not I in my opinion it's more than tweets it's it's not the right thing for that corner and the sooner that everybody knows that yeah then the better gotcha and I don't think we need to rewrite code at all to make that very clear to the applicant okay so I would rather go on record tonight and say that um or just to emphasize and I don't know if you're all with me or not but maybe I'm maybe it's just me I'm one vote but I would like to emphasize to that applicant that that that preliminary or whatever we looked at concept plan the concept plan is so far out of what we're looking for that they should just stop um and it's not it doesn't call for tweets it calls for not the idea that they're putting together and and that would be my message to save everybody the trouble of all the work that everybody has to do in the costs involved gotta I don't know if you guys agree with me or not but was yeah so can you elaborate on the part that doesn't fit with code was it the truck parking area yeah how extensive that was in the back that lead you to conclude that or is it something more than that yeah I I think a couple things one um it it's the the definition of heavy industry is changed in the United States and heavy industry in America looks exactly like what they're proposing to me in my mind so that's not an office it's heavy IND heavy industrial um at least according to what they've seen and they have cited examples of other buildings that they've been a part of and it's just heavy industry and so it's not coded heavy industry it's coded um office we also don't allow distribu cent in there and if it's if it's it walks like a duck and claps like a duck it's a duck if it looks exactly like the aerial photo photo of a distribution center it's a distribution center and so when you have tons and tons of spaces for trucks which they did on their um concept plan and it's a giant buildings that you that look exactly like a distribution Center look nothing like an office complex um so there's that and then it's also like surrounded by um residential and we have Road capacity no matter what they do with 30 it's I mean that is not a place where you put um what they're putting so I would rather um pop that balloon before it gets too big got staff asked us let's do tours let's do stuff I'm pretty sure staff already knows we kind of do all of those things the the thing that I would be looking for is and I go back to something that's very nice very was done a long time ago and it's the it's the business park and everything down along Wedgewood west of 494 north of 10 um a lot of individual building uh the full gamut of businesses um medical device advertising a number of things down there just if you if you know where I'm talking the CVS Pharmacy and such just north of there was called The W Wedgewood Business Park Way Back in the day um it's was very new school but a long time ago um building improvements those kind of things some of those buildings are fantastic brick with large glass facades and such that stuff I would rather see there than as John is saying that there's one um other places like that I I think that covers it I've got it on the map right now in the size and in space and stuff like that there's four five six seven buildings they're different and they truly do hide any deliveries from semis and stuff in the back and they are splitting the highway and residential space that's that Wedgewood that's that whole Wedgewood complex there so again they're older buildings but that group has done a good job keeping them modernized keeping them looking right and belonging with with very little Demolition and such they've done a lot down there so Staffing or staff was looking for an example that's one example from me um the other example that I know it it's huge um the Opus complexes um down in Hopkins and such where the roads Meander and stuff but I think they're a lot more acres and again individual buildings that's a business part to me the four buildings that are there I know I said it's interesting bring the concept to the council I think we gave Fair feedback and such but the business stuff I'm I'd be looking for is something more like that um that's my input to it and I agree with John this this is turning more and more into warehouse and and stuff then so so if I made mayor and Council this this is actually our code which lists warehouses in three different spots yeah and that would be part of the reason why we're getting proposed warehouses which is why staff is asking to clarify business code because it's we hear you loud and clear that that's not what you want and there's also different types of warehousing and there's ways that we can bracket that and clarify that by clearing up the code but right but right now the way that it's written we have office warehouse we have warehouse and indoor storage used in conjunction with offices or manufacturing facilities uh and then it's under so it's in two spots in two spots but I'd also say a lot of those buildings that have a warehouse look you'll also see Laboratories and research facilities within those buildings and you'll also see the manufacturing so really there's at least four places where we have um what would look like a warehouse building a printing establishment would look like that they're going to look like a warehouse and so we staff hears you loud and clear if that's not the desired we're not going to get the desired outcome if the code is communicating some people that these are the things that we're looking for and that's why I'm asking for us to have as a measurable to come back and relook the code because we're sending a confusing message to someone if we're saying bring these sorts of things to us I want I want to correct the or I want to just talk about the use of Warehouse in here it's always used in conjunction with the word office so just because it's has Warehouse in it it's in the in the cont context of in conjunction with an office so I would make the argument if the building is uh I'll make this up 10,000 square feet and 99,900 square feet are used as a warehouse then it but there is an office there then it doesn't match the code because this is in conjunction with an office meaning that the office in my opinion has to be a significant piece of what they do there when I think of of an office complex I think of offices right and we allow warehousing as part of an office as part of an office not a humongous Warehouse with a little office in the corner but if we were to put percentages I'd agree with you but not putting percentages if they have an office it's an office with aare I think the lack of percentage I actually disagree with that statement okay because there's there's an there's an assumption if if the office wasn't a significant piece then we wouldn't put office in the context of warehousing in any language here if the office doesn't matter it wouldn't be in the sentence I'll just add to the the concept plan that is igniting this conversation we didn't get a breakdown of what was Office Space versus W housing space so he talked to us about it no fair enough talk to me about what the plan gonna look like yeah that we get four Flor plans as we process a site plan but as what as far as what the plan looked like it didn't have a clean breakdown of 10% Office Space versus 90% warehousing or what that would actually end up looking like because they're not going to have like know that until they have a tenant because each tenant's warehousing versus manufacturing Space versus office space is going to be different and so but he said it in the meeting what his expected percentage was and said it on a phone call with me also no and that's that's fair I'm just saying in terms of what the plan's going to look like and in terms of if we don't want to put a percentage to it and I'm sorry I'll go speak I'll go next so as as far as um what a percentage looks like there are business parks where majority of that is going to be warehousing space because warehousing takes a lot of space the office space and the manufacturing space uh can be more efficient but you need space to store the products that they are creating in part of as part of their business practices and we can certainly take the time to study what an appropriate balance would be um but that's yeah I think that that is something that you'd be surprised how much more warehousing there is because the office space simply doesn't take off as much as the warehousing does I can bring in some pictures of a tel Council of my office and we're in Plymouth and we have a big Warehouse in the that were general contractor have a warehouse in the back but you would going to a meeting there would think it's an office you wouldn't think it necessarily it's a warehouse so I think it Towes that line of what you guys are thinking a little bit more so I can try to bring in some pictures and see if that's helpful yeah I I I think one of the things that is becoming clear in the discussion is is that we do need to help clarify both for staff to ensure that we don't bring things that Council doesn't want to see uh we we make sure that then we're we're working with developers and it doesn't make it that far uh and uh that were also taking you know part part of the Catalyst for this conversation was was a concerned property owner in which they're confused about what the desired outcome is for their property uh and and for history lesson their property's been changed regid it was guided a different direction before and then it was regid and so they've been trying to work with developers to meet the desired outcome of the council and and they're not absolutely clear what it is so I think it's worth some effort uh it might be clear in some people's minds but it's obviously not clear to everybody or or we would keep having to talk about it D just when you wanted to add again I think we're all saying the same thing and stuff I don't think we're excited about three large strong buildings and then again it was concept it was napkin there wasn't a lot of data those kind of things everything that I'm talking about as far as wetwood or even you just reminded me the places down off of Plymouth there's there's a number right on 55 that are same kind of thing many many offices but a ton of warehouse but none of them are 45 ft tall either um none are on a County Road well just the warehouse site is understandable just not a majority of the building and then just anybody can build a p shed for Noah ARS whatever you want to call them they just don't look right it's not something that's appealing on that corner to me I understand our ordinances probably hasn't been visited for a long time and we haven't had interest so whatever we can do to get that Clarity I'm all for it I'm not saying no to Warehouse I just I think it can be done a different way than just four big rectangular boxes I think that's what Jon we yeah that's I'm saying some some conversation for staff to make sure that that we are bracketing it in a way that provides Clarity to all the stakeholders chairman did you have some I was going to ask if for those who are concerned about this design would something like the Boston Scientific campus off of weever lake is that the kind of facility that we would be happy with or is that also too industrial looking I'd have to go buy it again and think of it in that perspective I've been bu a py it's just not so from from an aerial perspective best I can tell they might have a half a dozen trailer truck parking areas in a building like that so there's a very different ratio of truck parking to building area and in that particular case they are all well concealed from yeah and being there working there and stuff for the time I've done though the warehouse size of that is probably 300,000 square feet on a million square foot campus and then like you said I'd be for something like that I think in building one there was three semi boox stalls in building two there was six and uh builing three it was three and then they just added the new portion out front which has none everything is delivered from the back and and nonvisible obviously to the neighborhood but again that all of that parking is facing interstate in the woods you can't even see it from there but that that that's a business part in my mind too that it was specifically built for the company too it's not as if some developer said hey we're going to put a giant building in pray to God that some yeah so that that's a helpful Point that's brought there uh and and staff has been talking about this there there's another reality is that this is not where Boston Scientific is this is on the corner 116 and 30 uh and what the market will actually support in terms of development may not align with the desires or the vision that we have for what we'd like to see happen there and so uh and the market may be different I'm just thinking of that market may be different what right now versus what it is when 610 connects for better wor so one of the things that staff was talking about is we we've definitely gotten feedback from the property owner adjacent the property we're talking about the one adjacent to the east in which they've actually brought feedback that it's currently guided in a way that they have not been successful in finding uh partners that want to help them develop that commercially yeah uh because of the so what what will the market support and that's one of the things staff's been talking about potentially one of the things in terms of looking at not just um this uh this particular category but potentially doing a a market rate study for this Corridor because this is the area that we had considered generating jobs this is the area that we were hoping to generate some tax revenue from commercial Industrial Development and if the property just it's they're dormant because we can't find a development we like uh that aligns with our desired outcomes or the property owners can't find a developer to come in and deliver on those desired outcomes it's just going to continue the way that it is and not generate tax revenue or jobs or or serve the residents you know as some of those potential development opportunities by Mr Mayor yeah just real quick and I mean no enough to anybody I I'm not a fan of build it and they will come kind of deal but is that where the markets are that we got to put up a building and then put up for lease then or so I I think that would be a great question for me to look into but it's not un heard of for developers to do speculative buildings um and they and they're typically not going to want to create something that they can't fill so there's typically a market that in the niche they're trying to fill um so I even though it might be scary to think of a speculative building like that they there's a there is a reason why they believe that putting in all this time and effort and money they a significant investment they're putting in that they believe there's going to be significant payoff as well because they know that they are creating a building that can serve multiple purposes and meet the needs of interested parties so I know that can be a scary kind of a scary term you're like oh that's a lot of building and we don't know who the user is but is not unheard of and we could certainly get some more data on that too if you'd like just looking back in history in that whole Wedgewood area they built a lot of those buildings on the west side of Wedgewood and then did exactly what I said for lease building for lease and they filled up crazy because probably we're so close to the interstate yeah and then the ones across the street were more specific somebody came in I'm going to build I'm going to I'm going to be the major tenant and then I'm going to rent out the rest so you see development happen y i just and I would say that's why this is kind kind of seen as a critical foror is because we know that County Road 30 County Road 116 County Road 101 this area um is going to have that access to highways that a lot of Quirk does not have access to so we know that there's going to be support So in terms of having them sit empty I I think that um there's always a risk that there might be some empty vacancies there's going to be vacancy yeah but at the same time there's also um I think there's a lot of reason to suggest that this is going to be in a high demand area the speculative building process uh to's point it happened both ways as I was in shock D I was on the Dr the development Review Committee there uh you had people come in and Natalie's point they're building because they want to make money so they don't want to build something and have it sit vacant uh and then there's also those where it's built for a particular specific purpose uh one point that I would bring up is the last time we did a market study in terms of commercial industrial potential within the community was in 2013 uh we're a way different world than we were in 2013 uh so can I make a point of clarification on sure the the language in the language with respect to Market Bas whenever we've talked about it as a council because I don't know if I was part of who drafted this but we've advised it and whenever we used the term um according to the market it was more of a response to like when hennipen County would come in and say you should do this or the Met Council would come in and say Hey you Corker needs to do this amount of whatever to support whatever and it the when we historically when the council has said Market based it's um it's not as if you hold your finger up into the air into the wind and say well whatever the market wants you can just do it in corkran um it was more or less like we'll do it according to the market not by what some hierarchy from St Paul or Minneapolis tells us to do so it was kind of like a um you guys have your fantasy land of what actually uh going to go off yeah yeah you guys should do this and this and we'll say no we we're not going to do some big government thing that you want us to do out here we'll do it we'll have a market base but also we as Council get to determine um what we what we uh allow um hopefully you know is there a chance that they could I mean they could redo it as housing in theory if they wanted to no no not the way this is guided right you could regu it though if they well yeah you change the guiding and Zoning you could it's it's the it's it's the only Business Park we have in the community well if if the landscape has changed so much maybe we move I don't know but it's not a business part that they're proposing they're proposing a distribution center B you can't say no if you look at the pictures and if you and if you read the description of what it is they want to do and if you recall the comments that were made by by the applicant know you can call it a business park but um I don't think that that's what they actually intend to do Mr Mayor can I if you'd let you want to come up and uh state your name and address for the record appreciate it Craig Espin 19251 102nd Place in corkin um we just met with Connor and one of his Associates last night in Bell weather we had about 70 people and the feedback was kind of what you guys are saying don't want a lot of traffic don't want warehousing trucks going back and forth that would be caused by warehousing um shared that the Aesthetics was not pleasing to the council so things on the roof people were saying we don't want to see all that stuff we don't want lighting we don't want uh exhaust all that kind of stuff people were very accepting of the fact that a business part John is kind of you're describing Offices Medical Research fulfillment potentially where warehousing is part of it but not a dominant part all were be kind of appear to be acceptable to the residents understanding that it wasn't going to be 100% visible from any direction so I think that the what council is saying in terms of minimizing the warehouse footprint relative to everything else is something that's going to be pretty acceptable to the residents there knowing that the tax implications are going to be somewhere in the 1.4 to uh 2 million something like that or 1.8 to 2.4 million uh people were pretty pleased that that was going because they all know that we need more business in the city and the neighborhood is willing to look at that and go okay we we know we have to have something there but it needs to be sheltered it needs to be low traffic it needs to be low burden on the community and so it was a very positive meeting and I think that from what Connor said during the meeting and after the meeting he's very amable to making some significant changes however it is a bit of a speculative piece because he said they will build one building at a time fill the building up build the next building so that leads more to a speculative build versus a we have tenants and we're just building to fill tenants so again just wanted to share that as it does have some play on what you guys are talking about thank you appreciate it thank you that's great well one thing that I did want to say regarding the market in terms of staff's perspective of the market uh it's clear council's guidance has been clear is that development pays for itself uh and so if we do want if if we do want a desired outcome for this particular zoned area to develop we should probably understand what the market is otherwise it's either not going to develop or somebody might come in and uh do a Scooby-Doo ending on us and come in and convince us that this is what's happening and then we find out that that's not what we actually got we're end up with a Bitcoin mining Center I don't know what a I mean I don't know what a study would actually do to be honest with you it's Fally have a study of what well if the study comes back says that distribution centers are in demand are we just going to do it I think we'd have the discussion on that I we need to have the discussion on it right now I think I think we're in general agreement that we need to do some refining some work some clarification on Business Park code AS Jay was suggesting um and then what that leads to down the road with it whether it's studies or other aspects we can we'll obviously have to vote on at the time well there there a couple things I think we it's I think we really need to be clear with the specific applicant that whatever they're proposing is hitting a bad note and if and if if he was here right now I would say as it stands like any form of what they mean you'd have to be so far away from what they're proposing that it's not going to come close to you know what we there's in my opinion there's so many things that we don't like about it that we should ve be very clear with him it's why they come in with a concept plan and I thought was very clear we didn't like it and I don't know there still working pretty hard to get the thing done and I just it it'd be uh graceful to you know not you're going to change it so significantly it doesn't match any thing about the original concept plan like it's like the message isn't being received so I would like to be stronger in the message that that is not what we want there I think we can do that I would like to do that and then the then the part two is how do we clarify what we do want there and that's I think what J was I think we owe it to the applicant to say we don't want what you're putting there okay but I I'm alone there I seems like no I don't think you are if you if you can read this two ways you can see Warehouse everywhere if I may I'm sorry go ahead you can see Warehouse in multiple places but it's officewarehouse I mean I can turn around and and talk to any developer saying warehousing and indoor storage used in conjunction with offices or manufacturing facilities when he was talking he was talking a small footprint of off office in manufacturing and then a large Warehouse out back with more than just boxing up what you manufactured that day and shipping it out it sounded like there was more than that but in itmi office SL Warehouse that means office bigger in a warehouse if we got to put numbers to it wow I think uh Mark a long time ago you just said we keep writing more and more into our ordinances and pages are more and there was more and more pages and we can simplify it by this but I guess we gota probably talk more and more just sitting here while John was talking reading this I'm seeing more of the stuff I've described the Opus the Wedgewood the those kind of things somebody coming in and saying I can build four large buildings warehouses looking like and just add offices in them and stuff I'd rather have more character to those buildings and I've repeated myself a few times so I apologize I just I mean it it starts out with banks Savings and Loans I mean Civic buildings such as it it doesn't say Warehouse is the main thing to me on a on a parcel like this so that's me if if I could adjust one one thing that did come up and I I heard from residential meeting in staff and I talked about this as as we are working with any applicant this one or any future applicant it's important to note that we can uh communicate ay a maximum use of for example trucks you can't have more than this volume of trucks come into a space we we can communicate those types of restrictions uh minimums maximums those sorts of things and so that's part of what helps us clarify two desired outcomes heard loud and clear that in that meeting there's concerns about traffic there's concerns about different types of Life pollution uh with noise pollution uh those are things that also would be helpful for us to communicate to people that are considering this potential opportunity to plant something here to understand what it is that they're signing up for so if I if I could just Jeremy for while sorry then you interrup so I was just going to bring up a lot of these uses are somewhat dated I I don't think we're likely to see any new radio Television Studios get built in the next 30 Years uh and I think there's probably some uses that we haven't considered and a market study might allow us to refine some of these potential categor so I do see value using that as a modernization tool I also think that we might find the kind of business park that we've been discussing may not be marketable for the next 20 years because there is a glut of office and especially for sort of an exurban Fringe suburb we might not be the kind of place where they're going to reinvest so if if we as a city really want to see this develop I'm not sure that I do but if that is a goal we might need to be more flexible in our vision for what that's going to what we would allow to into that kind of a space maybe it doesn't need a business park maybe there is something better than that so I'm open to reconsidering I personally didn't feel like the building layout was that unappealing I could certainly see a restriction on the number of dock doors or a restriction on not allowing trucks to be parked overnight so using it as additional storage sounds like somebody at the podium don't like what we're saying yeah you were the last to talk keep falling oh man I jumped a mile there I saw it happening so I you're a brave man failure to Flinch sounded like the building was cling but I certainly get you know we talk over and over about not wanting to look like Maple Grove and when you look at the kinds of buildings by Costco that's what I'm envisioning for or what they were talking about and so if we were to allow it to proceed we we want some restrictions to make sure that it's not just an extension of a 50 foot Office Park that really looks like a distribution center even if the businesses in them don't make use of all that facility bying you don't like the buildings by cost they're not my favorite no that's that's um so um I I I agree with the perspective of councelor Bama um I I do not support this application in its current form and I would almost recommend to them to start over I do want to clarify there's no application as of yet right con okay well the concept plan I saw I there's nothing about it that I like nothing about it that I would support that's clear pretty can can I make one point another point of clarification um I don't ever have remember city council having some sort of jobs mandate so I don't I don't recall saying we need to do this to create jobs like to me that's that's not something that like a city in a city council in a small town um I don't feel like creating job our unemployment rate in corkran is probably zero um I don't know if we have some directive from voters to go out and create jobs yeah I think it's only been mentioned maybe somewhere in the comp plan in our comp plan and the Northeast District standards that was the it talks about how it's an area that offers opportunities for expanded tax paats jobs and Retail and services it's the idea yeah when we worked on this plan just a couple years ago that this was a job creation zones why we got rid of this is the first area that we got rid of self storage and Mini Storage um and other uses that we had identified either as not supporting a job creation area as well as we didn't like we didn't it was if this is considered to be a Gateway into Corran we got rid of um contractor's operations and um we didn't want to see any re Trucking like the Nelson that had gotten approved so we had removed that as well um so it was there was some Aesthetics that went into removing those uses those was also because of the job creation so um it's a but I think regardless of the specifics that we get a business park code to it's still going to be comparatively a job creating area for us compared to what we have guess but I don't I would never take that as a consideration fair enough okay think feedback I think staff's got a lot of feedback all right uh and we will get to work on that thank you sounds good thank you guys um then we'll go on to let's see here mayor and Council reports I don't have anything anyone else I attended the Met Council discussion on the 2050 guidance don't give many spoilers I've got mine on the kiding but I've got mine their proposal is that they would increase the minimum zoning requirement from three units breaker to four units breaker and not allow any connection to the municipal system that doesn't satisfy that requirement so provided some feedback uh in the session that I attended and I would encourage other counselors who may attend the future session to do the same did the word extortion come up in that no okay I was just I'll leave that to you when you did you happen to know I I will fit that word in are you signed up for nich did you happen to notice how off their numbers were as well their 2030 numbers were lower than our 2023 numbers actually delivered so and during my session I called them on that and I said there seems to be a disconnect from your projections your projectionists and and your actual uh Auditors so details yeah so if anybody watches at home pay attention to elections because the elections decide who's on met Council met Council and election decides counil yes the governor decides well that that's an appointment yes the very specifically they want to cram more houses in newly developed areas including corkin wh while the cities that developed before us had no such qualifications so uh all they're doing is just um well they're screwing over cities like us because they didn't plan well enough yeah also saying that they have more than enough area in the Musa to support population both for the next 50 to 60 years so there's no need to grow the Musa which makes me question why there would be a need to increase the density requirement it's good point yeah I think that's probably coming from some competing interest within my Council and the legislature I know there's been some bills that were brought forward that would actually prohibit cities from being able who moved the Musa it didn't pass but it was introduced last year for the first time um and that was more of an angle I believe of the author was to stop urban sprawl and the climate angle that he had Light Rail yeah that type of stuff more um whereas then there were some of the other bills we saw about increasing density and all that kind of the same know we're seeing talk out both sides of the it also doesn't propose Redevelopment in order to stop the urban Exodus it's just pushing everybody out of the center out of the urban center out paint the state blue that's what that's about yeah I'm glad you brought that up Jeremy because I'm uh yeah thank you now all know to listen for that part specifically at that meeting I think it's on one Tuesday on Tuesday the next one yeah I've talked about that a lot and it I'm a voice like in the wilderness there they need to hear from other people they need to hear from a lot of people for them to register no no one voice that they care about a bunch of people so not only vertical farming in cor and vertical hous I'd like to see vertical farming incorporate we allow it maybe that can go in our business park let us quiet yeah I'm not talking about the increase to four I'm I'm a little disappointed maybe naively disappointed that it's already coming up I was hoping that would be maybe a 2060 plan thing maybe that is still but they're trying to know desensitize people to it but we may not want to expand the Musa right yeah I I wouldn't see a reason to in the near future it's crazy what they're more and more and more and more will be fed down the pipe until Musa all of their stuff non-market stuff right well especially it's going to be forced upon especially if you add to let's see bump out the mus a little bit and by the time that phase actually gets into it your two plans down the road and then is it six units an acre six units they all have to be five five stories Sky Rises yep um that's the problem when there's the mandates that can change way down the road at any time if you're not in the MAA you're yes protected a bit yes sure okie dokie appreciate that um other than that city council schedules on in the packet there uh always subject to change but got a good good amount coming up um and then last thing we have here is we are going into Clos session so with that city council is going into Clos session to consider an offer for Real Estate under the authority of Minnesota statute 13 d05 subdivision 3 C3 the city is permitted to close a meeting to consider offers and counter offers for the purchase or sale of real or personal property the city council is going into close session to consider an offer for Real Estate the following properties are the subject of the closed meeting P ID 0111 92312 00002 P 0111 92331 00002 P 01119 2332 00001 P ID 011 1923 32006 P 0111 92342 001 P 01119 23422 we're in close session actually I'll call the meeting back to order in the close session the city council discussed an offer for real estate and staff was provided Direction with that I will entertain a motion to adjourn oh that motion L second all those in favor say I I