thank you Mr mayor council members this is a concept plan for uh The 201130 luren Road Site I would preface this by saying it's a concept plan because our code requires a concept Plan before any development application the applicant uh as I'll talk about it does not have a developer um proposing this this is just a a tool to get some feedback on the idea of the reiding and the rezoning the uh request is to declassify the shudy farm uh from light industrial to medium density residential and for context as part of the 2040 comp plan approximately 10 years ago the council regid the property from medium density residential to light industrial because there was a lack of industrial they felt there was a lack of industrial property in town and wanted more industrial uh to expand the tax base and provide job opportunities because this was next to the exist existing development park that's why this property was selected in uh 2022 the council did approve a half a million square foot industrial park on this site uh that uh developer has since as I understand it gone away the approvals do expire at the uh at the beginning of December this year December 8th of this year as part of that industrial project in eaw was conducted uh including a feasibility study to talk about um the infrastructure improvements many of those would remain the same if this type of a residential project moved forward next slide um this image is just very hard to read I understand but on the left is the 2030 land use plan just showing this was medium density uh uh versus the current land use plan where it shows it as industrial which is again that EXP expansion of our existing Industrial Park can I is the applicant here they are mhm can I ask a question sure did you come before Council after that change and and tell us that you actually didn't want it to be rezoned can you go up to the microphone you go to mic great I'm just trying to remember I thought you did yes I I did give some history of the farm uh my siblings are here and I don't if you recall a lot of the South and West residents were here voicing their concern so um yeah it back when it was changed from medium density residential to light industrial uh at a at a open Forum meeting I did appear in request that our family was not in favor of that change yeah okay so if that answers your question yep that's I thought I remembered that yep okay the gears are moving that tells me in the C you woke up I did remember that yeah okay I just wanted to I mean it's helpful to know that you didn't I do remember you saying at the time you didn't want it to change it's helpful to know that because you're requesting a change anyways thank you the uh land owner is working with the applicant the applicant is a kreer and they do not have an end user but are asking for the concept feedback because they would like to come in with a reiding and a rezoning request to bring this back to medium density without a development proposal The Proposal that was submitted in your packet um provides some reference for what we might see but as we noted it does not meet the medium density density requirements uh it would need to add additional units to comply with the density standards there are some site plan issues that would need to be modified for example uh the street would need to extend to the northwest corner like it did with the industrial park if you recall uh going up there so that can extend ultimately out to 50 at an appropriate location thank you Natalie and uh uh we believe the county will still prohibit a full access onto County Road 50 on the North side and so the two access points would be on Larin Road um and to the north West as the primary points but we would want to see because this is residential we would want to look at a connection to uh the uh fan property to the uh West as well where that uh gas line sort of runs that's in the engineers memo if a pro future connection yes for future connection if a project did come forward depending on the number of units an eaw could be required um again it very much depends on the number of units the state uh triggers the eaw based on unit count for residential if an eaw is required a new feasibility study would be part of that if it doesn't meet the threshold for an eaw we would still need to update the feasibility study because the uh trip generation is different with a uh uh residential project than an industrial project um the the site requ requires a minimum of 331 units a maximum of 529 units and an eaw would be triggered at 375 attached units for context what's the difference between the medium and then the regular residential in you said between x and x what's the uh difference in density yeah loow low density residential is 3 to 5 years an acre right now might change you're aware of that the Met council's conversations oh yeah yeah yeah no so just something to keep in mind that yes but we have our new zoning to um yes so 3 to five and what's medium 5 to8 okay and so 5 to8 is where you get that 331 to 529 um The Diamond L Regional Trail Corridor does is planned to go through this site and so we talked about the the fact that that should uh ideally continue to run along that Creek alignment as it did with the um industrial property but really I think could be more of an amenity if if uh we had a chance to do again with a residential property the request tonight is feedback on the concept plan but again the applicant can speak to this this is not a developer we don't have lenar or some equivalent on the hook that really the idea would be if Council supports this idea the Next Step the applicant would like to proceed with is simply the map amendments the reiding and the rezoning without a de development proposal and what staff would say to council to keep in mind is you have a lot of discretion with ridings and rezonings and less discretion with plat and so if you think this is the right idea you certainly can move ahead out tell them you support it and they can move ahead with that alone alternatively you could give positive feedback and just say that you would like to wait to make it a part of a development proposal okay uh Jeremy then Mark I I know we have a code requirement that increasing the intensity of a use requires four fifths to approve would going from industrial to residential sorry medium residential require 3 fifths or four fifths all comprehensive plan amendments are three or four fths excuse me so the land use one would be a 4 in the code the 45th is for zoning not for land use designation and so just a standard rezoning to District to District not a PUD is a 3 fifths okay I thought there was one condition where it would be a four fifths and I wanted to check if that would apply on resoning specifically I'll I'll search for the code and see if I can find it I think there is but I think it would be the other way but I give it was IR rationale for why we changed the Pud threshold from 3S to 4 increasing intensity yeah but does yeah like it wouldn't apply if it was light industrial going to low density does it to medium I think is your question yes so I guess if someone I I think you should let the applicant know for sure if you're not if you wouldn't vote for changing it or whatever if you're set on having that be uh light industrial then you should let the applicant know so at least that's a pretty big step Kendra could I'm sorry Could you um help me with the history here I I was surprised to hear that the property had been rezoned from residential to L industrial without the owner consent do I understand that how does that happen yes the uh as part of the comprehensive Plan update there were a couple of properties that were reg guided and reone or Reid excuse me not rezoned including the property that was on the concept plan review uh earlier this night this evening uh that was flipped with the Ebert property adjacent to it uh uh and those Property Owners also were not supportive of those changes so sometimes during the comprehensive planning process that does happen it's a large L policy plan and the city council has to do what they believe is the appropriate um approach and I know our city administrator at the time met with Phil and other folks uh several times during that process to talk about that and what the council's feedback was I was in a couple of those but certainly not all of those meetings so so so is this the uh the Met Council no our city the corkran city council so our city council ignored what the land own owner said and rezoned it there's there's Provisions in I think it's state statute for amount of acreage if you're switching in a comp plan that you can do without going through a notice and and ESS but if he wasn't asking for it like what triggered the comp so so the comp plan came in and against the owner's Wishes the city council reone this it was ruid as part of the 2040 comprehensive plan just to be clear I know they're similar but it was ruid and yes along with some other changes that were made that weren't necessarily asked for by residents it did happen it's not unusual it did happen and I know the city did try to talk to the land owners about why they felt that was the right approach but at the end of the day yes the count the the residents did not the land owners did not request this change and it was approved by the city council okay thank you I I believe in in in my understanding and and I haven't been here long but I had similar questions about it uh my understanding is the reason was because it it was adjacent to the the current light industrial area and there was a desire uh in order to diversify the tax base and there were limited opportunities in order to do that so while while they but I I had questions why would you do that that's my understanding that was the explanation was was in order to do that s similarly why why do you move the industrial or sorry the business park uh was it had more to do with the access to to the the two County Roads you had better access on that corner that that was part of the reasoning I wasn't here I so I was here and I don't know I I just started on Council when that happened I don't know if we had conversations during that process or not but it it it certainly doesn't fit my values to take away prop property owner rights like so I would um I don't know if I don't know what happened there um but I I I don't know if it was as I don't know if it was as if it was exactly like you laid out that's not good and I I don't know if I would have voted for it I can't remember you might maybe have a dart board with me on it at your house I do but um but I do remember you coming up at some point but I I don't know if it was before or after but yeah that that's not I was I was a part of that but I don't remember doing it have been very early days probably 201 17 2016 yeah the we kicked off the comp plan in 2017 and it was through 2019 that we were working on it and then finally adopted in 2020 and again um that that is what happened so here we are today and it's light Industrial and now the uh applicant uh with the landowner support is asking for a change yep any other questions I do have a question go for it um you're so you know as always the devil's in the details on these are these uh are these market rate like you're not asking for the C to what I don't think they have that yet but if you yeah if you could come up to the mic that'd be great like you're not asking for City contribution into this plan who are you you're an attorney doesn't know him no I'm not an attorney uh this is uh everybody's done such a good job I don't have a lot to say could you please identif I'm a Streeter companies I represent oh yeah yeah I knew I recognize you it's been a while I don't know four years since you been a while yeah so uh first of all it's it's good to be with you and I'm serious everybody's done such a good job here I don't have a lot to say but I would say a a couple of things we are here to get your opinion and we do need your opinion because it is costly for anybody to submit any of the plans that come forward and we really don't want to start working with home developers and not know what we have to sell so that's that's really the purpose that we're here um we're not looking as Kinder well put we're not working with a particular home builder at this time because we wanted to find out what kind of product you want and the staff recommended that we come in with a plan and but it's not the plan and uh just a few comments I have on the staff report many of the things they talked about we're we're more than happy to comply with when we come in with with the plan uh but I would point out that that uh there is a slight a in the report and that there is uh uh excluded from what we're going to develop is 2 and a half acres which which does have a home on it Phil Phil actually lives in the home now and I I understand how that was decided by staff and the staff is looking at records and when you're dealing with a family and somebody breaks off a two and a half acres you don't always record a plat on it and so forth so anyway Phil has has a 2 and a half acre parel for the home and uh when it comes to the density issues you know we're going to obviously have to work with you to meet Co but we do have some impediments you have that map Kendra that shows our plan I never my qu I did I hear that whether the city was expecting are these market rate or is the city expected to make market rate okay all right if you look at that site plan you'll see we've got a a pretty substantial Chunk on the on the south on the bottom of the green there very hard to access I suspect that will not be developed with any homes with any developer uh and we've got some other impediments with the electrical lines and with the gas line and then wet line went line setback so density is going to be a challenge here but I'm convinced we can we can work it out to everybody's satisfaction the Market's been telling us for a long time this is not a light industrial site and uh the previous developer uh was a good developer and they worked with several people to try to put that project together and and they just couldn't do it and I made several phone calls to people I've developed light industrial with in the past and and it's just not a good spot for it the logistics just don't work and we believe that that putting it back to what the family wanted originally and where where it started out is probably a good idea a lot of things have changed in your city uh since that decision was made there's a lot of growth for light industrial on the south end of your town the north end of your town so the premises uh for three years they worked with one developer and and he these are good guy and he he's scrubbed like heck and just can't bring it about so we'd like to the family's ready to sell the land and uh we'd like to see you support our position that the two questions that are asked there we'd like you to support both of those and and I must say too uh I was very surprised uh when I learned that they changed that because uh corin's been trying to uh for many years has been proposing to have a nice downtown area and and you need you need rooftops for that and you need them close and this is close and we're going to have rooftops and the neighborhood supported it at that time that they didn't want to change and they support going back to residential now yeah all the people that wanted the the downtown are not with Council anymore so just just little history that's in there um sorry go ahead no go ahead I was just going to say I'm the devil's in the details but I'm fine with the change the two changes with the changes now or I'm saying no just they're asking for opinions right my opinion is I wouldn't be opposed to change changing the zoning and I wouldn't be opposed to um the other question which would be medium and I don't mean to interrupt but just to be clear what I'd like to leave with not that this is what you want to give me but this is what I'd like to leave with I'd like to leave with a firm that if I talk to a home builder I can say that I talk to the council and subject to you complying with their codes they're going to support this going to medium density that that's where I have to be articulated I don't know that we can give you we do that uh as much like a Defined answer like that all of the feedback by just how this process works as unofficial non-binding uh feedback we've burned by that got you okay so we got to be careful all right and there's an election coming so John's not running I am and there's four others or I never I never spoke like I was rerunning anyways certainly give you our our thoughts yes absolutely except the he's got to be careful nope I wouldn't be careful classic politician I'm in the same I'm in the same uh boat as you John this I I agree that should go back to medium density sorry you Ed the job so I'll try to give you some feedback on on my perspective on the site um I agree because of where this is located and because of the comp plan focusing on us having a core downtown I'm fine with this being residential I don't think this is medium I think this is low and I think if you what I would like to see is [Music] is because the Western Property is guided low density if this is going to be medium I would like to see if possible that trail go to the West Side to be part of a buffer to isolate it from the low density area and if it's possible to consolidate the footprint into apartment or condo to get more of the units more compacted so there's less roads to maintain aren't they they already are right those are Twin Homes and I I I will take the blame for that um I suggested that maybe with the single family that is there they may not want but we we can we can do what you're saying I'm just it's it's me that did that you can certainly phase it from the south and have you know town homes on the South Side once you're in you know 100 feet 200 feet you could transition it um the industrial properties to the east aren't going to care if it's uh a different development type than what they're in the residents to the East and to the South will um I've advocated that for things that are along the Diamond Lake Regional Trail that we take as much of the park dedication and land as possible to make that a nice natural Greenway which can be an amenity to your development I would even be okay considering this maybe not along the South but the parks that are more isolated I could see going above medium even to high density because it is in the downtown area uh if it allows us to get more Parkland as part of that diamond L Regional Trail I I want to change my answer and say I prefer um single family homes on 5 acre lots so I'll just say that I always will prefer that so the more houses per acre the less in favor I become of it there's some clarity actually iate no no no I'm here for that jar did you have anything else yeah I would be fine with the five units breaker too that's required by medium but if you need to do something different I would be flexible on it if it allows us to get more green space preserved long term Kendra do you know if any of the conversations around the 2050 plan are discussing potentially changing medium density ranges uh Mr Mayor the the 2050 plan is really just looking for that average uh right now it's an average of three and they're looking at that average of four y um so nothing related to specific land uses although I would say one of the things that they are uh getting stickier about is making sure that the use actually matches the land use and so if we wanted to allow apart we don't allow apartments in medium density right now so we'd need to look at that um uh thought we did make sure did I read that wrong I don't think we well in any case well that's one of the things are getting stickier we'll check that and make sure I hear heard what you said and I think so did Mr streer but um yeah for four units an acre potentially we're still not done there so maybe we won't get there but here crossed um okay so I think everyone's kind of given their feedback my my only concern I'm certainly open to looking at at different options and and changing it uh potentially down the road I would be much more comfort able doing it as part of a comp plan process so which will be starting in I don't know a year is um so we can look at it a little more holistically and and just see all the other effects that might happen by taking 70ish is Acres out of industrial and how that affects our some of our projections with um phasing and Sewer access and all sorts of stuff um so I would be more comfortable doing a review and looking at options at that time than now but I think the rest of the council has expressed some uh openness to to potentially doing it sooner than that so well I do appreciate the input and I appreciate the staff's uh guidance that we've got thank you very much thanks Mr Sher I guess asking for my opinion unless they get the app here before the end of the year it doesn't matter what I have to say I think we value your opinion so it helps us I should just go home so it looks like rmf2 is the one that allows it not rmf1 so we consider rmf1 to be medium is that correct yeah the what I meant to say uh sorry Mr mayor council it was in the comprehensive plan the medium density residential is a district for small lots and attached town homes and what I was saying is lately the Met Council again you'll be shocked it's going Beyond where I think they need to be getting involved and saying that if it's not listed as an allowed use in the comp plan they they won't give you the sewer permit so if a medium density uh land use doesn't say Apartments we probably need to amend that okay potentially need to amend that I I should say I like how the Met Council advocated against the bill that would have given the state control of our housing plans but now and they want it they are wanting to exercise control I don't know which one I fear more I I hate both of them at least the state is elected there's a certain party certain party that people should ought to think a little harder before they vote for it they like local control but like Jeremy said at least one is elected thank you thanks thanks appreciate you all right and we will move on to 7f uh which is the M&J wine tasting room concept plan thank you Mr Mayor yeah the the next item on tonight's agenda is another concept plan is that you too yes okay I thought so my my neighbors powers of deductions okay yeah so the applicants um Margaret and John Fernandez uh they're requesting a sketch plan review of uh the expansion of their current wine Winery on uh the property of 23020 County Road 30 um this is uh this is comprised of two Parcels a 5.84 acre parcel to the East and a 1.92 acre parcel to the West um the concept plan itself uh has all the proposed improvements um concentrated on that Eastern parcel and none on that Western parcel um both properties are guided in zone rural residential and they are located outside of the Musa um the applicants currently own both of the lots and use it to uh grow grap and um make wine for their U wine making business M&J MJ wine um and they're planning to or would like to expand their current operations to allow uh for a wine tasting room that would be open to the public uh and a private event hosting space on a uh sporadic basis uh the hours of operation are expected to be 12 a.m. to 800 p.m. uh Thursdays through Sundays uh and at this point they don't have exact numbers for anticipated number of guests but private events such as weddings May um they may expect up to um 100 guests the concept plan itself shows an expansion of the existing pole barn on the on the site uh this would be an expansion or an addition to the Eastern side an added porch to the north side side and an added patio to the South Side um these additions would exceed the allowed accessory structure footprint for the property which is 2,688 square ft uh the additions the square footage of the additions and the existing structures would come to a total of 4,292 square ft um so approval of of uh additions such as these would likely require the removal of the existing uh structures on the property uh the the uh the porch on the front would encroach into the front step back area um along County Road 30 it's a 100 foot setback and with this um addition here it would be a uh 94 foot setback uh the existing Barn looking through permit history was not um constructed in the approved location from the 2015 permit so this makes this building a uh non-legal uh non-conforming structure uh the existing Barn has sidewalls that exceed the front yard height limit of 10 ft and we did not staff did not find a conditional use Perman on file so um additions to this structure would require an after Thea cup um for those side walls to exceed uh 10 ft uh the concept plan also includes the installation of a nstall gravel parking lot in the front yard um and there's an alternate design um that would allow for 14 total stalls um this also doesn't comply with the minimum front yard setbacks which is also 100 feet from uh that front property line on on major roads um and their uh ex their proposed location would be a 50 foot setback uh If This Were to be reviewed under the uh Event Center standards in the rural residential district um the maximum capacity for a uh private event would be 18 guests as that section of code requires one parking stall per two guests um based on the Event Center standards uh class five gravel is an acceptable surface material um so they would have to um with a more formal application would have to revise the or clarify that that is a class five gravel surface um and lastly it does not meet the minimum Drive AIS width for 90 degree parking uh their Drive aisle is uh proposed to be 20 ft wide and code requires a 26t wide Drive aisle for that um angle of parking uh access to the site would come off of the existing access point for the property which is the the driveway on the County Road 30 and would tie into the the gravel parking lot um but the applicant would be required to coordinate with henan County to confirm that that access location would be approved um and Public Safety took a look at this concept plan and and would require that that existing driveway be widen to 20 ft to accommodate emergency vehicles and two-way traffic for people coming and going uh to the wine tasting room uh and just due to um traffic concerns on County Road 30 uh it's likely that a traffic study will be required for uh any sort of formal application for this site the site itself is uh located within the Shoreland overlay District as it is um very in close proximity to Rush Creek uh the boundary of the shoreline overlay district is highlighted in pink on the attach on the image to the right um so that engulfs the entire proposed um additions for this concept um existing structures within the um shorland overlay District have a minimum setback of 100 fet uh measured from the ordinary high water level um and then this concept plan this the ordinary high water level is measured from the uh Western uh the West Bank of the uh the creek so that the current setbacks in this proposal are roughly 43 fet and do not comply with that minimum setback uh and then the propos parking lot also is within that minimum uh setback and that's about 27 ft from the ordinary high water level uh and then Additionally the uh fee of 100-year flood plane elevation for this property uh engineering had uh noted it is roughly uh somewhere between 973 feet to 975 ft um and our code requires that first floor of structures um including accessory structures need to be constructed with at least 2 feet um 2 feet above the flood plane elevation um and the proposed additions would um be at elevations ranging from 9751 Ft to 9755 Ft um so that is not in compliance with that minimum uh the minimum standard so um that would be something to also consider and uh it's worth noting that expansions within the flood plane require a significant regulatory permitting and requirements um beyond the city beyond the city through the uh the water shed so would that mean there's regrading required or how how would that be approached yeah you so if you if you want to impact flood plane you have to mitigate for it so if you let's just say you have a a bathtub and you feel a quarter of it with sand you have to expand another quarter out so you have the same volume restore that volume so it's a that's flood playe of flood way is a little bit more complicated and more challenging and I think the flood way also Nicks this property a little bit so there's a couple things that would have to be evaluated is there space to do those things within this project it's a flood plane is easier than flood way but there's some modeling expenses that would be required to achieve those permits to do that likely so technically feasible but potentially costly okay thank you there seem to be a lot of hurdles that potentially could be overcome but it would there'd be a lot involved I think to to do so and it's not many of them are not like Twi said within the city it's County stuff and uh Watershed and other other uh governmental bodies does the applicant can the applicant speak and talk do yeah absolutely I would like to kind I mean it seems like we just threw something spaghetti on the wall here we did it so no I [Music] know there's still a couple more Natalie going to slides and then as soon as she's done you can it seems so daunting um but not quite as daunting as some of the other projects that we've seen tonight so um we okay so um excited to hear just finishing off the slideshow here um under the current code this request would likely be processed as an event center iup um this is because um the home occupation portion home occupation license would likely not be applicable in this situation as um part of their request is for um um having outside vendors um supply the food for uh weddings and and events such as that and um the city code doesn't allow for home occupations to have outside uh employees and um contractors come to the site uh only only employees can come and and set up or prep for for work but then they have to no not even that so all I apologize that was a mistake um but yeah the home occupation portion of the uh code would not would not allow employees to um enter the site um so that the event center iup would be uh one way that we could process this request but considering that hosting private events is only just a portion of the applicant's proposal um it may not be the most logical um and this event or this uh proposal may fall more under um an Agra bus category um which a lot of cities and the surrounding communities have ordinances established but corkran itself does not so um it may be something that the council may want to consider uh exploring the idea of establishing a um a Agra bus ordinance um for proposals such as this I'll I'll jump in right there I would strongly support looking into that route as opposed to the first route I think that makes sense I think that could also potentially be how we could address some of the existing structures too there could be an allowance as part of that for a more of a footprint to I'll just add so that could be a way to solve a couple different hurdles that we could I think it could also help promote other similar type of uses that we might like to see just make sure that you pay attention to loopholes that people would exploit and like everything becomes an Agri business after a while yeah for sure defin want to do a careful review and I would think there's I could think of a couple cities that would have probably some similar language that we could start with absolutely um so yeah so for next steps for the applicant uh they could uh submit an application for an event center iup with revised plans and requests for um multiple variances or um we could uh explore the Agra business ordinance route through a zoning ordinance Amendment um um and explore those nearby uh ordinances and and figure out what works best for Corin um so our recommendation is for the city council to um provide their uh their comments to the to the applicant and um just a reminder that these comments are not binding and um are purely informal Mark had one thing and then if you guys want do I uh I have a question question for you on a previous slide you said that a barn was built in a location that it was not built in the approved location can you give me some history on that sure yeah so just looking through the property file uh it looks like the uh approved permit from 2015 had the building pad location north of the other uh pole barn on the site and I don't know if I have the [Music] oh I cut it off but it' be North Northeast of that um it was constructed uh or it was constructed to the west but uh the file within the um within our files indicates that it should have been installed Northeast okay any idea why why that happened or didn't build it it was a prior owner that built it and I had contacted the um City to make sure that they had full teres okay and I guess I'd like to look into that a little bit further um but it was a prior owner okay all right that's all I we built up this Passa plan that um that we were within we were just adding on outside where somebody had already built based on asking the city or county or wherever we um can go as there's going to want some just for the record as we go minutes later it's helpful for us to have your we'll let you talk in the microphone when she's all done just well so we yeah the whole rationale and in building out the concept plan the way that we did is that we were under the impression that we were building on to an existing structure that the prior owner had pulled permits for and we had asked for copies of those permits um and received them so I guess I just want to I mean maybe we're not in a place where we can do that the house is also in the what once we you know we spent a lot of money getting all the information on the water district and and the survey and and all like we're we're a lot of money into this at this point in time and didn't realize that if we're going to do this our house is even in that so I guess I'm just you know a little confused as to why we're open to building where we need to or what we need to do to make this work um the best we can from a cost perspective because we're deep in it already um uh but uh just keeping that in mind that when we built this concept planned out and had the survey done um we had not had the water overlay done and our house is is literally within it so you're not the only one really they changed the yeah they changed things all time right no well it changed the expectations of 100 gear floods and stuff my house is in I'm sure it's in it's in the flood zone too and and I know you guys can't necessarily uh affect this or not I I work in new construction you know this year we had tons of rain and um you know we we've lived there for for a number of years now and we had no flooding so it's just frustrating to see the lines and and hoping that we can put something together that that work so that we can you know do this project but we're open to feedback and we love the arra business business idea um yeah so we were surprised that that permit was not in the right spot so I I guess I'd like a little more research on that I'm sure we can try to help you dig into that yeah see see what what was done when what do you think John did you so we can can we give him feedback yeah okay um I hope you can pull this out but um the challenge is I see is having a you have seven acres on 30 with neighbors zoned housing it's going to be challenging to allow a lot of events there because the impact of your neighbors and the small space that you occupy My Hope Is that we pull something together to allow you to have it be small scaled and then when it takes off you go and buy like a plot somewhere where it makes a little more sense um because it's I don't like to push in a business that's going to have that's going to impact so many people into a residential area My Hope Is that we could design something that works and minimizes like the number of days you have like I wouldn't like my neighbor to have um business that's open Thursday Friday Saturday and Sunday from noon to 8 with um cuz there there's a built-in expectation when you put in a house in an area that's zoned that there's not a business next to you so I want it I want you to have success but ALS we have to think about how we limit how you impact and I would agree with you 100% on that but I would love you to come out and see the property because we are literally on County Road 30 yeah at the corner and we have the creek our neighbors on the other side me I'm happy that we're Happ we know we have to go to all our that's cool I I live like Creek on one parcel of the property we won't even be using I live like three miles from you so it would be no problem for to so I think it's hard to talk about I I agree with you from a having a business you can't change the size of Seven Acres that's the I mean it's it's it's challenging and we have to be respectful to the people around you so if there was something we could do to like I want to think creatively on this and I don't really say the word creatively much so I want to get creative about how we can have you have something because you don't do the you kind of do stuff like this is your opportunity to get all in as I as I see it maybe I don't know but maybe maybe we have to get it in like a third or a half and then find a better location once Pro proof of concept or something I don't know that's just I'm just thinking aloud because that's what we're doing um so I hope we can find something to I I love it councelor Bott to your point we um we can certainly look at if we were to move forward with an aggra business idea we could certainly look at an iup that would allow for them to later to come back to further expand operations if there's success or and something that could be re-evaluated if there isn't success no yeah I I mean I don't want to R like before like if they had if it got to be a raving success and all of a sudden their neighbors and I I'll check out the space but you know you no I'm talking about success as far as not impacting the neighbors so I didn't mean successful in being well integrated into the neighborhood with minimal impacts that would be one that part of the Agra business yeah would be if he did it as an that would allow us for it to evaluate uh and then that could be something that maybe if you start figure out what you'd be okay with starting now and then like a phased approach and we could evaluate adding or expanding the business operations did we have someone turn in someone for something Rel that kind of was an egg business not that long ago when we talked about having a Edgar business somebody called the city because somebody was doing something um so that that's more of a Code Enforcement issue and that was one of the solutions that staff wanted to try to approach with that property owner part of reason was not successful anger business makes is it yeah this this this could potentially help resolve that could if it could have if the one party was open to talking yes but even now without that conversation this might help us advance that yeah I kind yeah I if there's a if there is a way to code have a code that encouraged Agra business I'd obviously be in favor of that I also like I also am very aware of how often we put some little loophole in and it you know we have people that have claimed that their property is a church and so so I would just be very cautious about designing uh an Agra business if it's like is a a you know is a a facility rental give you weddings there is a wedding on a property that also produces wine that has grape plants and that's why we felt it was a different category than the event center by itself if they were just doing events then I think we could want to the event center but because there's these other components but if like it needed to be yeah but if if if you're actually an event center and you have this side gig as aggr business like we're going to run into um you know here's Mark and I going to put a bowling alley on trail Haven and we'll also sell uh perennials on the you got to bowl with pumpkins then buy flowers from you two guys turkey well this this might clear it up a little bit we really our idea is The Tasting Room and we have the The Vines are there it buffers from our neighbors you'll have to look at cuz you have music too at these venues you know I'm I'm done talking about it so thank you I love it m Mr neighbor I was out or Mr Mayor neighbor my neighbors my neighbors Mr Mayor I was on the hook quickly for wine tasting and such but turn it into an event center with up to 100 you don't want Event Center I'm just saying if it goes that way I think we've had one on tan that is Fallen apart because it was parking all of those things but I don't know specifically on tan and west of beol east of beol south of tan there's more to it yep there was there's a lot to it but wine tasting love it wine making great I know what you got there it's a great little corner always wanted to stop in and say hi and you're always welcome you get your Halloween decorations up this year yet no not yet cuz we've been picking gra you better just get to work man um I'm just down on back road across from the dairy farm so that's where I am but uh no wine tasting all for that type of deal and and stuff but to to turn it into those next stages and stuff I agree with John it needs to be on a bigger parcel and something that's more adapted to doing that um limit the parking um 50 cars on Seven Acres you just can't fit them but uh that's a whole another conversation that would probably come in at a potential site plan and yeah and as staff riew at that point but in general if it got to that point things would that would be important are things like that screening to the neighbors um screening probably along uh Rush Creek Boulevard um a lot of stuff that we could get into as the screening now that's your that's your Vineyard is between the house and Rush Creek is all your plants right now on the side there and then it's County Road 30 so it's County Road 30 and then we've got two acres that's all wooded all wood Y and behind us it's all wooded we can't really see our neighbors very often the tough part is the person across the street I know them and there's a whole conversation there and then the folks directly to the west of you okay kind of a quaint little place there right now but uh I'd be neigh we've talked to them a lot they sometimes can be tough conversations but it helps a ton in the end talking to the neighbors early and often right huge help okay um but yeah I would be very interested in going the aggra business route and um I think there are certainly some challenges you guys have ahead to try to figure out exactly how it fits and getting approvals from all the necessary uh governmental agencies and bodies but uh if you can figure that out and figure it out with staff I think one point of clarity um the variant the several variances were discussed with the current building location um it would be helpful I think for staffs for sector is Council opening to granting that many variances or should the applicant consider moving the building to try to minimize the variances being requested my initial thought would be to try to minimize the to the extent possible um the number if not you know the amount of each variance um but I think I'm personally open I'd have to be a better look at the variance request itself um but I'd potentially be open to it if it was shown that it was necessary and and uh you had tried to solve it in a different way and it didn't work out I would be worried about the cost of dealing with all the floodway items I I love the idea I think it'd be great to have it in Corrin I'm worried that it'll be too expensive for you to support with whatever Revenue we generate just based on Kevin's commentary so I'd be very cautious before you spend a lot of extra money just double check the numbers my wife's uh Vineyard and wine tasting on on the agenda and was very excited so he might have one new customer Well everybody's super excited about and we're open I mean I don't want to move the location I we can leave that building there and move out of the flood plane I think but I would prefer not to so yes we would definitely it's already gotten super costly just to get all the surveys done so and this is the easy part yeah yeah I'm a new construction I I kind of have an idea but yeah well we appreciate you guys hearing our thank hanging out as long as you did yeah okay and with that we've gotten through the Kevin's Corner see here CL session no so J was that close close session removed we need a that's good to amend the agenda to remove that no we removed it the beginning okay I was not fully getting all those okay um Council reports uh I'll have a brief one I had a nice kind of impromptu tour of St theres the other day and uh theyve still got ways to go on some of the stuff but it it's looking good looked really really cool the rooms look really great and uh some of the common areas areen of these bar area the restaurant area are we is it going to be a public restaurant I believe so believe that's plan yeah what's with all the U-Haul trailers people moving in storing and everything they all went from U-Haul or do they like provide them to their people when the ones out front I saw some people backing some in I guess I don't know there's like dozens and dozens of identical U it's like a dealership I I sto Sunday and talk to the person at the reception desk and stuff and it's a lot of a lot of the materials stored in there to finish wores everything everything that is unfinished so there's a lot going on there's still they're making good progress but there's still a ways to go through most clo now so they should be able to work weather regardless um but once it's all finished it's I would highly recommended to where it's h very cool they have one room in particular that's going to have a golf simulator it's got this giant uh you know theater screen projector theater screen that has a golf simulator or you can just turn on they had Happy Gilmore on when I was in there um and it was just a pretty cool little uh bar area and the pools being installed and the chapel and all sorts of stuff so cool worth checking out are they doing the ice cream parlor um I don't think we got to that um but they are uh from various people that I've talked to including one the lady who gave me the tour they do want to meet with the city and uh talk about future project you know what the plans they have are for the future and what the area has for the future so um I'll make sure to ask them next time good does anyone else have any reports they'd like to share we we had a great time last Saturday at at Heidi for October Fest um and then the West Suburban yep West Suburban we went down to the Hamill fire department and uh the Madina Hamill celebration and such spent time down there with a lot of great folks so great Community we thank uh West Metro Chief flure was there things were uh it was just a great day it spent 10 till 4 at Heidi and met a ton of people um so fun of that great business there recommend you all going next year and then on down to Hamill thaning the fire department and such so we got a we got a heck of a community G aome do we have planning project update uh just think it's in the packet I don't think there's anything else just in that uh I I did have something I want to add uh for for those of you who weren't aware uh I Nish and I were at icma uh the international city and county Managers Association uh conference in Pittsburgh uh for the last 5 days uh interesting learned a ton but something of interest to our community I attended did quite a few seminars on leveraging artificial intelligence in order to approve efficiency uh in particularly for small communities in operations and so uh came back I admittedly uh I there was a briefing on that at the at the state conference a few months ago it scared me to no end I I learned a lot and heard about how it's working in practice I was skeptical if you look at today's Star Tribune uh Chanhassen is the first city in Minnesota to have moved forward to try and do just that so uh I'm friends with City administration's been talking to me about that so if you want to check that out uh that is going to be a hot topic of discussion as um you know to to your point we we want to be mindful of the budget uh we want to be uh intentional about leveraging technology in order to try and and maximize efficiency and Effectiveness and it's hard for me to see how AI will not be part of that equation to that point uh the best presentation hands down uh was a unpacking of generations um and I will share a video a little summary on that but but my take away from that is there's there's gen Z is getting a bad WP in some cases in terms of how they're entering and how they're operating within the marketplace uh but I I gained some helpful perspective on that one of the realities that came out of this for me was how each of Our Generations approach technology differently and as genz is entering the marketplace uh AI is so much a part of their common operating processes that even if we don't or we're not excited about AI being part of it uh it's going to it's slowly going to seep in anyway uh because it's just so common practice uh and then they used as an example just the difference is for each of us uh if you look from where you first started your first job which many of them are starting their first job uh they're starting their first job later so many of us probably had our first job in our teens uh the genz isn't is for the most part isn't starting their first job until after college so they early 20s that's just the reality and bad parenting that's a different topic but just just in terms of of talking about and the implications of that is they they become habitualized in terms of how they approach the world and technology is Central to their being and the way that they operate in the world and so it's it's changing the way that the marketplace is operating because the people coming to the marketplace operate differently so good Tom you should be worried because there was a guy running for mayor of Cheyenne Wyoming who bowed offload all of the decision making the chat GPT did he really Wow Let's see if he gets reelected I I I don't think anything's funnier than the city who elected a dog mayor first with a human opponent in a race and then proceeded to reelect the dog three times like the there's an interview online the guy was not happy about it at first that he lost to the dog I heard it was rough they'll be here all week folks but um f all right um then that just leaves us city council schedule is in there post session is removed uh I will entertain a motion to Second Nichols all those in favor say I I