Let's do this. Uh, what time is it? [Music] September 9th, 2025, 7:30 a.m. We are now in session. We have one remote which we now can vote which we've learned since May which is a pretty good gig and I think we do at least one remote ever so we should always do that. >> Man, do we when there is one remote do we have to do a voice vote for >> Yes, you have to do roll call vote and you need to be able to see and hear them when they are voting obvious, you know, to make sure that it's the right person. >> Yeah. >> So, we won't be able to see them. So you'll have to change those meetings are set up on Zoom. >> I don't think our system sets that up. >> If you're going to do that, >> we can do it. You had a a Zoom meeting, but why can't he do it and come >> saying right now they can't control their camera, >> so they can't turn their camera on the person on the phone >> on Zoom? >> I think I think they can. We we can >> the guests who join this link through the website are >> maybe we should like look into that for future things. Uh call to order. So that's all >> looking for an approval of agenda. >> Motion to approve. >> We have a motion. Second. >> A second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed. Does anybody want to add anything to this before we go to consent agenda? I think weren't we talking? And um I'd like to add to new business to to approve or have a discussion on letting our business partners, our land guys. >> I aging the property in Oaktown. >> Okay. Then we're going to have a conversation on this today. And we're missing uh J. John, did you hear that? Is he on? >> Yep. Let me uh turn this on. John, if you unmute your mic, you should be able to speak. >> Thank you. Yes, I uh I am online. I did hear >> Turn way up. >> Can you hear me now? I I did hear all of that. >> Yes. >> Does this have speakers in it? Try us now. John, >> I I can hear you. Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Can you hear a couple times? >> A couple times. >> There's some feedback. >> Good to go. We can run this. Okay. >> Keep going. John, did you hear the part about the uh Oldtown start the listing? Have a discussion on I heard everything completely. Yes. >> Yes. >> You heard everything. >> Okay. I'm going to need your help. >> Sure. >> That's what happens when you hang around loud cars your whole life. You can't hear nothing. Consent agenda 7:30. Okay. Eday meeting minutes of this 19th. Did everybody go through that? Have any questions or corrections on that? >> Looking for a motion to forward. >> I'll make a motion. >> I'll second. Okay, John. Second. All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed. >> You do them both at the same time. >> Motion carries. What's that? >> Both A and B can be done at the same time, right? With >> Yeah. Well, it's a new 10th agenda. So, there's really that's the whole package deal, isn't it? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Open form. Is there anybody besides John, one of our members on hold? Nobody. Okay. Okay, we were talking about old business. Nothing has changed there, John. John one. >> Um, yes. All right. So, we Yeah, I'll just kind of go over through these. So, nothing has changed on flower pots. Um, >> that's all done, right? >> The flower pots, >> it's all done, I think. >> Yes, they're still growing, though. >> Um, they're still growing. >> Yeah. Utility boxes. We have an item that's going to the council tonight for uh asking for approval for a a scope of services. Um sidewalks, there's nothing new. Railroad spur, uh Chair Hunter and myself did talk to some last month. Somestone has an interest in the spur, but not in any u anytime soon essentially. Um, I've had conversations with MDOT on a a transload facility, which is a facility where you load items from trucks onto rail. Um, their kind of recommendation is that we need to get a commitment from users before U BNSF would take it seriously or not. Um, I guess a question that I have for the the uh EDA is at some point we're going to have to spend real money on on figuring out if this is going to work or not. Um, so I am looking for some direction from the EDA. >> Say that last part again. >> Uh, so this project is going to cost millions of dollars to put together. Um, there is grants that are available. The grants do require a feasibility study. It costs it's going to cost tens of thousand tens of thousands of dollars to put together the feasibility study. I don't know if the EDA wants to move forward with that or not. What's I mean I know the vision is a rail railroad spur but is it I mean we've talked about various different things you know about one being I mean we have all these warehouses all along 81. Is there a thought that somehow these warehouses would use this railroad spur that we're somehow sponsoring or is this just a I mean the other side of the coin was See puts it in and it's private and >> they do whatever they want. They they could solicit business from these other businesses as well. So it's like is this a city kind of project or is a mini project versus independent? Well, city project versus a private project. >> Well, that building right to the south of him there, you see that one there? >> Okay, that's King Solutions. >> Yeah, King Solutions. >> I've had a discussion with um Jim Bergie, one of our old guys. >> Yeah. >> He went to the higherups over there and they say they are absolutely interested. How do we get it to conver king Solutions from working with some just having a private facility between the two of them? What would be that? >> Well, because King Solutions has access to the rail or they're adjacent to the rail. I don't know why they wouldn't do it themselves. >> They want to pay for it. >> They want to spend the money. >> That's why they want us to spend the money. >> Well, can King Solutions get a grant from the state of Minnesota or these grants you talk about or does this have to be through a city organization? >> No, it can be through private entities. So, they they could do this themselves. It it's a question. Is this an EDA project? >> It seems to me like maybe what you'd want to do is get the businesses together in a special meeting on this topic and try to figure out whether if there's a lot of interest from a lot of businesses. Is it something that they want the city to be involved in or do they want to do it on, you know, kind of figure it out on their own like a private? Well, I think John's asking us right now is do we want to move forward for at this point without spending tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> That's going to be the next step though, >> spending money. Yeah. If you do a feasibility study, but you could have a meeting with the business, more than one business, and figure out interest levels for next to nothing. >> Can you say more about what a trans trans >> transload facility is? So, I'm still learning as I go. Um, they vary in size. So, I know there's one in Fidley where it's just a a small building and you know, small is still pretty big. Um, but where you have a rail car or rail cars that are in and and you essentially load uh materials from trucks onto trains or you load trucks onto trains. >> Okay. The reason I'm curious is that if we look to the other side of 81, we now or will have two large tenants in the cubes >> that ship or receive pretty large materials and >> they would not use rail. >> They wouldn't. >> No, >> because >> um I I don't I haven't heard a good reason for it. Just that they they don't use rail now. They they probably wouldn't. Um, so like states, they build large buildings that aren't going to fit on a rail car. >> Yeah. No, I can see that. But they're also receiving large transformers and switch gear and all kinds of things coming in even if they weren't able to use it to ship to their final destination because that's going to be different every time. >> Um, I don't know. I it occurred to me that maybe they could use something like that just because of the bulk of or the size of the things in the air conditioning company. could be in the same situation receiving large materials because they're not building all that stuff themselves. They're assembling it, >> right? >> So, I think it's worth continuing. >> Is there other cities that have sponsored spurs uh or sponsored? I don't know a better term for it, but have there have there been other cities involved in developing a spur? >> Uh I'm told De Moines has an example. Um so that's a much larger facility than what we would be looking at. So they they have a 40 acre facility that's owned by uh it's the De Moine area Metropolitan Planning Organization. >> So it' be similar to our Met Council. >> John, in your opinion, would would your company use something like this if you were to if we were to explore it? >> Yeah, I looked into it. um for the most part because we don't ship volumes of equipment um there would be a use but but it would be maybe once or twice a year um for us and I could just as easily >> um you know I guess work with Simstone or King Solutions or or whatever if for example I needed to do a load that way. >> Okay. just uh RDO would use it once or twice a year, >> right? >> Or would otherwise work with King Solutions or Semb. >> That's what I was thinking. You know, >> it's hard decisions. >> I'm just not seeing the I I mean, it's great if the businesses want to do it. I'm just really not seeing where EDA is a part of this. I mean, one, we don't have the money >> to spend on it anyway. I don't I don't see it. I mean, it's not like anyone any business yet has came in and said, "I absolutely want this." Of course, they want it if it's free. >> But again, that's my stance on it. >> King Solution said they absolutely want this. >> Well, >> yeah, they want it, but they don't want to pay anything for it. >> They don't want to pay for it. >> We don't know what's going on yet. The question on the table today is, >> do we want to at least have a conversation with these guys before we start spending hundred,000? >> I think it's a waste of time, but whatever. You can you can call them up if you want. >> I mean, I would agree with yes, have a conversation with them and see how much participation or involvement they would want into this. That I could see, but spending money on studies right now. No, >> we're a to that point yet. I don't think we're at that point yet. We're not going to spend $100,000 to ask the questions. Everybody on the table, send out a flyer. Say, "Hey, if we did this, what would be your level of interest?" Okay. So, you think that makes sense? >> I do. I And I don't disagree with you. I don't think this is going to ultimately be where the EDA wants to spend all this money. But in the spirit of economic development, I think getting the word out that this is a possibility to these businesses and then see, you know, if they're all kind of lukewarm on it, then it's probably a no-go. But if I mean, there's real interest in it, then how do we facilitate this thing moving? And that doesn't mean us providing all the money for it, >> right? >> That's that's to me like instead of the city being like direct or EDA being directly involved in building something like this, I mean I could see where you could be a facilitating role. And that to me it's more than just King Solutions and Semstone. It's I mean it could be Greyco. It could be any any of the businesses, even some of the Rogers businesses. Mhm. >> You know, FedEx, etc. And then then it becomes if you facilitate it, it might still be a private thing that that either Stemstone or King Solution look at as a as a as a profit center. You know, hey, I we've got this railroad spur and you guys can bring your trucks and load them because I I've got a feeling that's what King Solutions is doing. They're just going to load semis on flat bed rail cars and >> kick them. >> Send them somewhere across the country cheaper than they can drive them. >> Pennies on the dollar. >> But >> so step one is let's generate interest. >> Okay. >> And and I like your idea about the Rogers thing. That makes a lot of sense. Why wouldn't they? I I mean I would think any freight kind of shipping company within four or five miles of this might have some interest in it but then it's really about just facilitating it for >> you know like a semstone or someone else is going to have to put it in. I mean I don't know that the city would put it in. That's my kind in a grant money if we make it immunity. We got to see what we get. Let's just see the interest level first. I get what you're saying. That make sense to you guys? >> Interest level. >> And I think we should take a put a pin on it and and draw a five mile circle just to see who's who's interested. >> Mhm. >> And then send out or call or email or talk to their EDA over in Rogers. Heck, we should be talking to EDA in Elk River as well and Champlain and Oka. And there's a lot there's a lot of big stuff in Champlain that would might utilize that. >> Mhm. Where's our next spur? >> You just wonder why they didn't do it themselves. I mean, Rogers got plenty of rail and but I mean like FedEx is closer to this than it is >> right >> where they would go, right? I forgot about the FedEx guys and they're all about shipping train versus plane. I guess if you're on a fiveday >> does that uh give direction to admin enough? >> Yeah. some time just to coordinate. >> Okay, >> John, you all great with that? >> Sounds really good. Thank you. And I can participate in helping define however I need to. I I'd love to reach out to people. >> Is that a yes? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We close that discussion or do we need to do anything about that? And do we need a motion for you to act? >> No, I've got direction. >> Okay. Lent property concept plan. >> Um, so nothing new with this. I I did send out an email last month that um we did offer a first right refusal to the neighbors property. Um they they turned it down. So they uh kind of their direction is is if the DA would like to buy their property, put in an offer to buy it. >> We we didn't go in person. We just sent an email. >> Um correct. Offer to meet in person. They did not want to meet. >> They did not want to meet. >> No. Got it. 26 EDA budget. >> See, the council will take action tonight on approving the EDA levy. So, the request is for 25,000. As you recall, the EDA did ask for 100,000. Um, the council kind of directed the department heads to keep the budget uh to reduce the budget by quite a bit. And so, this is kind of this reduction is applied across the board. >> Anything on that? Well, it it's a place to start. You know, I don't think it covers actual expenses for 2026. And looking at the the budget summary that came out with the the packet, if you annualize that, we're looking at more like 40,000. >> Yeah. >> Is for expected expenses in this year. So 25 isn't going to going to cover it, but it's it's more than zero. And I think philosophically it gets us kind of back into the mix here that we can talk about it in the future. I know we're going to be pushing the budget all over the table tonight. So >> you know I think that um if we if that's where we land or if that's where we have to land, I think that'll be okay. It's a start, but it isn't going to cover our expenses for next year. >> I wouldn't think so. >> So just to clarify that whatever gets approved for the EDA budget is what gets levied. >> Yes. Yep. >> And then if we need to spend more than that, it comes out of >> savings basically. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Scott, you on plan with that that budget for tonight too? Anybody petition any more than that or we just leave it at that? >> Well, I don't think you're going to I'm not sure where that conversation is going to go because we are still about 1% over where the council wanted to be. So, >> will our 25 versus 50,000 factor that 1% ever? Because that's like a >> Well, 50 will make it go up about another half. Not quite half, about a third of a percent. >> A third of a percent. >> Yeah. >> Something like 88,000 equates to 1%. >> Oh, that's the ratio. >> That's Yeah. >> So, that's why you guys got to cut >> 88. >> Correct. Well, to get down to eight, the the consensus is is 8%. >> We're at 8.97 right now with with the EDA getting 25. >> Are any other department heads cutting back on anything? >> What? >> Yeah. >> The wish list is smaller. >> Okay. I just want to get a a temperature on what you guys were planning tonight. Moving on to G. I know you wanted to talk about this AI placer software, but uh that kind of gone fast last session and it was because of a big brother episode and council decided that it was probably a very wrong idea for us as a government. >> Really cool software though. >> So the direction I have from the chair is that everything on new business or goes to old business. So this would stay on here every month until you direct it to be taken off. >> Take it off. We We can take that off, right? >> Take it off. >> Mhm. >> I think you can take flower pots off finally, too. >> Do we want to take flower pots off, too? >> No, they're done. >> I agree. The only thing we might want to talk about at some point is like we did last year, I think we gave a gift card to the gal that's taking care of I mean, she does a fantastic job. I don't know what her motivation is, but she's does a wonderful job. Yeah. >> So, >> and last year I think we gave her some kind of like >> this year we gave her $200. >> Okay. >> All at once or >> Yeah. >> And gift card. >> Was it >> Can we give her more than $200? >> It's whatever you ask. >> And you just charge more for the pot. >> Yeah. >> But we gave it we gave it to her this year for last year, right? For what she did last year. >> Well, I mean, we we gave it to, you know, so if we gave it to her today, it's for today. So that's >> if you give her two or no in 25 it's coming out of 25's money >> which you already did but whatever. >> So we already gave it to her is what we're >> for 25 you did. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Anybody want to >> All right. >> volunteer another 100 bucks or 200 bucks to her. >> It just seems kind of cheap for all the running back and forth. >> I can't get my milkman to show up for 200 bucks >> if I had a milkman. >> Anybody? >> Nothing. Do we wanna are we >> give her a little more? >> I'm a little confused on like if we just gave her a gift card then no. But if we need to vote on giving her another gift card at the appropriate time then yes. I would say we should. But I don't know what the appropriate time is because if she just got it then it's not the appropriate time. >> Well that might have an annual recognition. >> I don't remember. >> Winter or spring. >> Yeah. So I would say if you know if you want the intent >> January. >> Yeah. I mean that's fine. >> It would come out of the 2026 budget >> for January or whatever. >> I just think an annual appreciation for what she's doing is appropriate. I mean those planters look better than most people's home planters. I mean as far as the plants in them and >> okay >> she stops and waters them. We'll take a off and we'll look at uh giving her some more next year. We're going to leave the boxes sidewalk spur lint concept plan will leave the 26 budget that'll automatically fall itself off >> on the sidewalks. What What are we going to do? Just leave them on there? >> Are we going to do anything about it or just leave it on there? >> Well, concept plan. Yeah, we're going to have conversations on the >> sidewalks. >> I don't know. >> Are we going to fix them? >> Well, it sounds like >> is there a plan to do it in the future in the city? that just got done recently, but it >> it's not going to get done now again for another 15 20 years. >> Uh 2031, >> huh? >> Yeah, you're six years. >> They might not make it that long, but >> So the photo on the right, these trees are coming down and that's going to fix the the sidewalks. >> That's up by the church, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. That's right in front of the >> liquor store. Jack, the sidewalk in front of your h your house, that would be replaced by the county in 2031 when they redo the road. >> Okay. So, they're redoing the road in 203. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> is it just like those four or five not like >> sections of sidewalk that are bad there? >> Um on the photo on the left. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, I I should say it's so if it's a believe it's a quarter inch gap. So, um I don't know if you know the essentially the hole that's on the left if that's within that that uh threshold or not. I know the photo on the right it is with the tree roots. So, I don't know what the causes the cracking on the sidewalk, Jack. If if there's a any kind of a utility that's right by that hole. Uh, I have no idea. I Well, I do know that the parking lot at one time started sinking and I had uh uh Pat McNeel had to dig it up and replace. There was apparently there was a bar there at one time >> that burnt down and they buried the remains of it, I guess, underneath >> parking lot. >> Scott, what do you want to do with this? Well, I personally we're looking at one, two, three, five sections of black concrete. I would call a contractor up and then >> I mean this is >> 3,000 bucks and fix it, >> right? >> Just be done with it. >> This is just one section. I mean, we have miles of sidewalks in the city, >> but they're not all like that. >> So, would you petition or motion the fact that we direct staff to get bids on an >> at all? So, what? Okay. >> In the whole town, you mean? Yeah. >> I mean, get a first number. We can either leave it on here for another 10 months and and then do nothing or >> find out how much it cost. >> I agree with you. Let's do it. I'm go with the bid. Make the motion. >> I'll make a motion we get a bid and >> I'll second. >> Find out what it cost to fix them. >> All in favor? >> I I. >> All opposed? I >> What did you say, John? >> I'm in favor. >> Okay. Motion passes to get a bid, an RFP to fix these sidewalks on this picture. Okay. I'm sorry. Could we also revisit the pods for a second? Um, for recognition for the person that's doing the the maintenance, is she listed or or would she be willing to be listed on the site somewhere to say on the city's website to say special thanks to so and so in addition to um, you know, the gift the gift card because I think sometimes just for people to know who it is might give her recognition on the street. This is about the flower pots. >> Yeah, >> that's a good idea. >> He's just saying to to list the lady's name that's actually maintaining the flower pots on the website. >> There you go. >> We can look at including an article in the um quarterly newsletter. >> Yeah, you can do that. >> That'll get more attention than >> some kind of recognition >> that Yeah, that would be great actually. >> Okay, thank you. New business, we ready to move? >> Yeah. >> Yep. Public hearing resolution 0625 2025 approving the sale of personal property located at 15520 Lndale Lane North Dayton Minnesota 55327 PD 05-120-22-22-003 we are now at that point council would you like to open up on this one? >> Yes, your honor. Uh so if you recall at the last uh EDA meeting you directed um myself to work with Mr. Lucero regarding a purchase agreement for a home that is located on the property you mentioned on Lndale. He's going to be purchasing that home and moving it to a different lot. The uh before the EDA can officially approve that purchase agreement, there needs to be a public hearing. So you need to open a public hearing. I it appears as though nobody will be seeking at the public hearing. close the public hearing and then we can move forward with actually officially approving the purchase agreement. >> At this point, I'll open public hearing on this. Anybody online? >> Nobody's online. >> And there is nobody in our audience today. So, at that point, I'll close public hearing. And now we'll have a conversation on voting for this. We need a motion on that. >> Yes, your honor. >> Can I get a motion from someone? >> I'll make a motion to approve the sale. >> We have a motion from Scott to sell property. Second. >> A second. >> Dave Fashant is our second. All agreed. All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed? Motion carries. For sale sold. >> We can use names now. Is that what we're doing? >> Okay. >> Yes. Yes, your honor. So now everything will be public related to this sale. >> Gotcha. >> And my understanding is that the check from Mr. Lucero will be uh cut this week. >> Gotcha. He has until um October 24th to move the the home from the property, but his intention is still to try to move it either the end of September or beginning of October. >> When is the sale final? At as soon as you get the check or >> essentially as soon as I get the check. Yes, you're in. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Any hiccups along the way or was it a smooth transition? >> No, I think >> transitioning. I think it's Yeah. So, the second half of this is then now tonight, uh, he's requesting a vacation of the rightway on the lot that he is moving the house to. And so, that's something that's going before the council tonight. I I do not know how the council is going to vote on that. And I'm obviously not the council's attorney, so I won't be at the meeting this evening. My understanding is that Mr. Lucero will be at the meeting this evening to speak on what he's looking to do with moving the house. Um, the second piece is that he needs to get the building permit from the city to be able to move the house. And my understanding is that will be approved relatively shortly. >> If he doesn't get the right of way removed, will that still cause a problem for this our plan? >> No. My understanding is that the setbacks on the property would allow him to put the house and build a garage because the setbacks will be 10 feet and 10 ft and it's a 100 ft >> 100 foot wide lot. So it would reduce the way that he would like to lay out the garage if he's not able to get the rightway. >> But the sale is not contingent on the vacation of the >> No, the sale is not contingent on the vacation of the rightway. Okay. >> And the house can be made to fit without that. >> Yeah. >> Right away with some potential variance of setback on the one side. Is that >> Yeah. The issue is the garage, not the house, >> but it can be made to fit on the existing space. >> Well, we wish him the best of luck, Mr. Mr. Lucero in his endeavor and hopefully he can have a a quick run through his uh council meeting tonight. All right. Does that does that end that up there? Uh Telkcom Telkom new business. >> Yeah, Mr. President, members of the EDA, the planning commission actually reviewed this for uh consideration last uh week at their regular meeting. Um the Telkom uh company is out of Clearwater, Minnesota, and they are a utility contractor, and they're proposing an industrial building um off of 121st Street and West French Lake Road. Um the uh overall site's 8 acres. Um and if you net out the wetlands, it's really only about 5 acres. The property is currently guided I1 um and uh zoned I1. This was previously approved in 2023 for a similar use. Uh the uh person who was going to develop the property ended up never purchasing the property after getting entitlements. So it has remained an outlot for a couple years. >> I don't have the remote on me. >> Is that essentially right behind the GCO buildings there somewhere? >> Kind of. >> No, it's across from the Capital Partners or Invent. Um Okay. on 121st Street north of where the MTL property is uh along West French Lake Road >> by the trailer park. >> Gotcha. >> Yeah. Be just north northeast of the the mobile home park. >> Um so they're proposing a 26,000t building uh mixed between office space and warehouse. Um the act proposing a single access aligning with the one across the street for the Invent property. Um employee and customer parking are all there and through the review the parking requirements uh were satisfactory with their proposal. Um and they are proposing 36 12,000 square feet of outdoor space with a combination of asphalt and uh class 2 aggregate surfacing materials. Um I will say that uh the outdoor storage is about they're proposing about half the amount of outdoor storage that they would otherwise be allowed on this type of property uh given the zoning. So here's a general layout of the uh property. Um you can see where on the south be the southeast end of the property there is where the class 2 aggregate outdoor storage area is. Um large track vehicles being utilized there. Uh their request is related to um avoiding repetitive damage to the asphalt in that area. Um go ahead John. These next slides are just to uh show you what the building is proposed to look like uh consistent with the I1 district standards uh combination of concrete panels and metal finishing around the building. So after uh uh discussion at the planning commission meeting uh regarding some uh fencing proposed in the front yard of the property, uh they did unanimously approve that um with a couple of added conditions related to um height of materials that are going to be stored on the property trying to avoid them from towering over the proposed fence and screening area of that um to kind of soften the look from the right of way. So, um, from the public view anyways. Um, so that's that's a general view and you can see on the bottom of that picture, that would be where the invent property is. But, uh, as I mentioned, the planning commission unanimously recommended approval uh, for this development and the city council will see this uh, for review on the 23rd of September. >> Our task today is to nod our heads and say, "Looks good." >> It's up to the EDA. So, you know, every I shouldn't say every commission, but every uh commission that has something to do with the project reviews this. So, in this case, it's the EDA related to the site plan and the outdoor storage. >> My guess is anybody have any >> to me it's all more like seems like everything in this general area is this is consistent with it. What's you know, warehouse >> fits the area. Uh fits the area. Yeah, fits the area. Are >> you still asking for some reduction in fees? >> Uh so actually uh we had discussed that with the developers and we kind of discussed that with the city council related to that the net area that wetland and steep slopes on the property. Um when we took out those uh through the calculation um they were comfortable with moving forward with that. So, um I believe that uh the city council was uh provided with a comparative uh table of what a type of project like this would uh kind of gather in fees from surrounding communities. Um from my understanding, I don't know if there was uh any any needed direct or any um needed action from the council's part after seeing that. um if there was any uh discussion on what should be changed from the council. Uh I did not hear that, but that was my our direction was essentially that uh we're not far off was kind of what I was what my impression was. So >> yeah, I think it was asserted by the the developer that our fees were out of whack and that doesn't seem to be the case actually. um it is a significant uh difference when you uh compare builtout communities in that regard to um communities that are still extending utilities out to certain areas. Um so that play certainly plays a factor. Um that was the majority of the comparative communities that were provided by the developer. So >> I don't know if that's a motion for us or we just we like to like it or should we make a motion say we approve this move it forward? >> Sure. I'll make a motion then >> to approve it. >> Motion on the floor from uh >> John >> Sean. >> John second. >> I'm sorry. >> John second. >> Oh, I can't hear. Okay. Do we have a second from Mr. Weber? >> All in favor? >> All opposed. Motion carries to talk to council and say we agree with this conversation. Telecom staff members, before we jump into staff boards updates, I want I do want to cover the Oldtown AIG conversation. Um, I'm doing it. Uh, we should start getting AIG on task with this old town. Now, we have the discussion previous me and John one about uh fire suppression in the area, tanks, pieces, parts. I think it would behoo us to have AIG look at this piece and our low-level concept plan that they they made for this and figure out what what they want to do or how they can do this. As a group, we have to tell them that we support this and we had conversations about the flood plane and all kinds of stuff. >> Mhm. I'm just I'm just not convinced yet that we shouldn't give this up if without that other piece in the way. But he's there and he's not willing to sell. So we we we made our approach. We attempted to do this and talk to him and he can hold out and he can do whatever he wants to do. It's his his property of course, but I think we should direct staff to have AIG put this on the market and start moving it. >> Okay. I'll just clarify. So, we we don't have water capacity to service anything that requires fire suppression. >> Well, do we know that? >> And we've we've commissioned a study to tell us actually where we are with that because we need that because we've heard numbers from >> 70 new residences to 100 to now zero. >> And so, it's it's all all a guess. So, I don't think we should say that there's no water available. I think we >> we're going to find out. But that is a that is a potential real limitation, right? If we do find out there's no capacity to add a commercial sprinkler system in that area, then we then we have a problem and I A should know that as they start the conversation, but we're not out of water. We're just not sure where we are. >> Sure. >> Correct. >> That's correct. So we have a a thousand gallon capacity for Oldtown. Well, half the tank is air that air pressure that pushes the water out. So, it's a 2,000gallon tank with 1,000 gallons of water. >> Yeah. And I have qu I mean, I think this is we're not going to figure this out here, but I have questions for for Jason. We know what the capacity is, the tank capacity is, but what are the what will the pumps flow? And that's a question. >> How quickly can question for him. Can the pumps on the wells directly, you know, feed a fire truck? And >> you know, I >> I have more questions and that'll come out when the study gets done. >> I agree with Dave that something seems like it's not being fully vetted on what the water situation is in Oldtown because you got this tank situation, but then you got two wells that are on my former property. And I know I know for sure one's 500 gallons a minute. And I also talked to Stantech back, you know, a year or two ago and they said that there's about 100 additional house capacity for the s well and septic uh for homes for essentially what services old town. So, I don't know if it's just a tank issue and that they undersize the tank, but it seems like the wells are I mean I I looked into I think that well on my property, the second well was almost a half a million dollars to put in the city paid. Mhm. Mhm. >> Uh so something need someone needs to dig in and find out exactly what the choke points are because I'm I'm not sure it's like the whole system screwed up or is it one choke point which is this tank >> that only has a thousand gallons of reserve because I know the fire chief is obviously concerned about that, >> right? Yeah. And I think that well, we've got Stantech doing a study on that now. I'm not sure exactly when that's due, but sometime in the next couple of months, I would assume. >> Yeah. >> To tell us more specifically because I agree with you. I think the wells have plenty of capacity. It's the storage >> piece. And we're going to be talking about a water tower. >> Um, but that's a couple years out and hopefully grant money affiliated with that. But >> in the meantime, you know, where are we really? because I I I've heard several answers and I I think we need to know better, especially if we're going to promote some development. If somebody wants to come in and build a building and buys the land and then they find out they can't build anything, you know, we've done them a disservice. So, more to come on that, but I I think for IG to start marketing the thing, I think that's I don't have any problem with that. So the question on the table today is do we move forward with Santech and ask them to IG? >> Yeah, I'm thinking Stantech. We have two pumps at service downtown, don't we? Oldtown. >> Yes. Two wells. >> Two wells. >> Two. A bunch of pumps of some kind. >> I guess the question I think it I'd support having IGA market this. The only question I'd have is if they're marketing you to people that are going to require a sprinkler system like a restaurant, then you're going to have >> you potentially don't have the ability to market to them. Now, if you're marketing to >> people that aren't going to do that and I think the cut offs 200, >> uh, it depend. There's lots of variables. >> Yeah. Can we chemical suppress it instead of water? >> It's really expensive, but >> I I couldn't answer that. It's more building code. >> A standant tech question. >> Um I no it be for the building official. I mean there there's dried systems as well as as >> so to cover the question at hand is we need a motion to put this on the on the market. >> Yeah. And I don't think it's an issue that you can't sprinkle in the building. It's how much water how much water can be u put on the fire. I mean Lucero did the six plex that's all sprinklered. >> Oh, it is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, the chances of all burning at once are probably pretty thin. >> Yeah. >> I thought we were I thought we just had a discussion that we didn't have the water capacity to have a sprinkler system. >> That doesn't mean that the sprinkler system's in and functionable. That doesn't mean it'll prevent the fire from >> No, no, no. But there's two different things. I mean, if if if the water supply in Oldtown is not is sufficient to supply a sprinkler system, which you said is already recently done, then >> then what's the issue? >> Right. >> I see where you're coming from. I mean, I I don't you know, our issue about fighting a fire in Oldtown is a whole separate issue in my opinion. I mean, that that's uh do we have the water capacity to put out a fire once it starts? But if we have the water capacity to supply us a sprinkler system, that would be required, then then let's market this, right? Looking for a motion on that. >> I'll make a motion to have IGA market it, but looks like Zach maybe wants to say something. >> You just holding up the counter. >> Yeah, holding up. >> Don't let it move, man. >> EDA chair members of the EDA. I want to find some information about what the water >> conversations going about it. So, you have all the information. So, right now, the two wells can flow um more than one can flow about 550 500 somewhere in there, which um Jack had mentioned. And the other one can flow 600 at total capacity if we were to put it up to full speed. We do not run them at full speed. We run them typically around 3/4 speed to keep the motors from burning up and trying not to overuse them because they are a variable speed motor now. So there's a module on them that allows them to not go to full blast if we don't need them to. So they basically run at >> they're modulated. >> Yep. And so they they right now they run somewhere between three and 400 gallons per minute when they turn on and run. Um and so the the restrictor that we have which I think is the point that um fashion had mentioned is that the reason why Stant's doing the study is because there's a restriction along somewhere along the line is it the well is the storage is it the pipes in the ground and from what we understand right now it's the pipes in the ground that are the issue and the restrictor. So the wells can pump more water through the pipe than the pipe can actually withhold and withstand. So the gallons that are on hand there's 1,000 gallons on hand at all times. So if the pumps were to go down or the wells go down, we have 1,000 gallons of water to suffice in that area. That's not enough for anybody obviously and we know that. So then we're doing a study of how much water do we need? What kind of stuff information do we have? And that'll be actually be on the council meeting tonight to look at preliminary engineering for a Northwest um water tower which is on the council meeting tonight for conversation. But what the restrictor is is that it's the pipes in the ground which is obviously is the most expensive and most cumbersome thing to fix is it's easy to fix a well. When I say easy, I mean it takes time, but it's not ripping up a road. We're not taking out new pipe and putting new pipe in. Actual physical pipe is the restrictor. We do have a sprinkler system down in the historic village. I have no idea if it's even going to work. I have no clue, but it's in. It meets code. It does what it's supposed to do. Could we use chemicals? Sure. I think we brought that up to Lero when he put in his triplexes. Um I think it was just cost prohibitive. That didn't make any sense for him because he could just hook up to the water system and put a sprinkler system in. that would at least cover some of the fire if there were a breakout. I don't know if it will stop the fire from going um like it's designed to do, but it will flow for a while. Will it keep up? I don't know. Um so, if we added the two wells together, we have about 800 gallons a minute that we could run um for fire flows. From my understanding is maybe about a thousand. So, we have the ability to get there with the walls that we have in place, but we don't have the pipe in the ground to get the water to the hydrant to make it work. So, we did have a fire recently down in the historic village area. We had to bring in tankers in order to um >> put out that fire. Um they were going to hook up to the hydrant system and if we do hook up to the hydrant system it will drain everything and then um we'll have water concerns from every resident in town when every one of them is brown like that countertop and they're freaking out because the water gets the water pipes get shaken that much when you use that much pull that much water out here. We've had it happen on this side of town when we pull out of the hydrant in the back of the city hall here. And the pipes get shaken when you pull that much water through them. And then it disturbs all the sediment that's in there and all the stuff over time that's settled in those pipes. That's why we do hydrant flushes when we do them. Um that's what they're point to do. And the reason we don't want to do them when the hydrants aren't open is because that just ends up in people's water. So hopefully that provides a little more information. I don't think it's inappropriate to go forward looking for a business to go here. I wanted to make sure that was clear too. But just so you had all the information related to the water system because it is a big conversation that we've heard a lot about of we don't have enough water to we have enough water. So um I guess the answer is we're still reviewing it but the answer's the answer is not we don't have enough water. It's just how it gets used. So >> So I just have one question. How is a water tower going to solve that issue? Pumps pressure height. Um, >> no. I mean, if your pipe's too small, your pipes too small new pipe in. >> Yep. So, the water tower, what that would do would be sufficing a larger pressure so that if they were to use fire flows, we could maintain that flow for longer than a few minutes. So, if the if the water is able to go into the system at 800 gallons a minute specifically to keep that fire flow or whatever needs to happen, having a water tower there would be able to draw down the water if you're going to use it on the fire so that you aren't having to push water through the tank and then out into the pipe fast enough through those wells. So, there's enough water in storage to be able to push through the wells or push through the pipes consistently. >> Yeah. I mean, my only point is that if the pipe's the issue, the pipe's the issue and it's >> that's my understanding at this moment. I don't know if that's the issue. >> I mean, if that is the case, >> yeah, but that's the case then. Yeah. >> Then it's a hell of a lot cheaper to replace a pipe than it is to build a water tower. >> I mean, you probably have a lot water tower, $20 million. >> But you also can't guarantee that a well is going to be on site. I mean, we had we operated with one well in that system for over 20 years. Probably wasn't a very >> $7 million >> something like that. a water tower 2.2. >> Oh, really? They're that cheap. You ready to check? >> I know about I don't know if that's cheap for anybody, but >> I mean that's our estimate. We don't need a giant >> We're not looking for a giant one either. It's a small tower. We're not looking at a 1.5 million gallon tower that you're going to see on the side of Maple Grove. I mean, that's not what we're looking for. We're looking for like 250,000. >> So, is it admin's official position that you have no problems if we move forward with this? >> Yeah, I don't have a problem with it. But again, if if it doesn't meet fireflows, then we'll have to figure that next situation out. But at this point, >> we have one vote on or one motion on the floor. Do we have a second? >> Thanks. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I All opposed. >> Motion carries. >> Marketing the land. >> We're marketing the land property. >> So just for my clarity, the intent is to market it for with this vision. >> Yes. >> That we have. >> Yeah. That's you agree with that, right guys? >> Yeah. >> Then we'll we'll talk we'll have a diff separate discussion on cost. Got it. Anyone want to add to that? Y. Okay, moving on. Uh, petition to get new. We got that already. Staff board updates number seven. >> Staff update. So, this is kind of a roundroin of items. So, um, later this morning at 11:00 a.m. is a session by the Minnesota Attorney General's Office called Stay Safe, um, about, uh, safety for seniors or geared towards seniors. This is act the activity center. See, Thursday, September 13th at 3 p.m., the EDA and other commissions and the council is invited to an open house at States Manufacturing. Uh, this is at 3 p.m. at their Dayton facility. Can you send invites to the ready? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Just to clarify, John, uh, Thursday, September 11th. >> Thursday, September 11. Correct that. So, >> yeah, makes a difference there. >> We We'll be there. That was two days ago. >> Uh, Quick Trip will open October 2nd. I I've not heard if there's a grand opening or not, but um that is their target date for opening. Uh Elsie Stevens, uh Chair Hunter was part of a a committee for of the council and uh commissions that looked at the master plan. Uh the consultant is refining the master plan. We'll have we should have a boards that will go out with a QR code to the public um at Dayton heritage days, but otherwise this will come back to the council I believe in uh the first meeting in October is the plan. Did you state >> adopt a park? So that we have uh several parks in Dayton that are available. Uh sponsors would adopt it for the year and then would agree to pick up litter once a month. Uh cards cribage and coffee is held at the second and fourth Thursday of the month from 9:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. at the activity center. >> Uh the giving garden. So, I know we've have some commissioners that have donated uh uh produce for the the giving garden. Uh this is available right outside of city hall. So, if anyone has a large garden and has excess food, they can donate that for anyone to take. Uh the Dayton car show, we have uh one more date on September 12th. So, this is at LC Stevens Park. Stand by on that. I did not get my helicopter clearance to land yet. Jack was looking into it. >> Okay. Are you still having car show without the helicopter? >> That's true. >> Yeah. So, >> I just didn't I didn't know if there was still a thing that we had to go in front of council because it's last meeting tonight for that. >> No idea. >> Gotcha. But >> did we approve anything the last time >> like the monster truck? No. >> The helicopter? >> No. >> I don't remember doing it either. uh they had to have the the pilot needs authorization from the land owner to land on someone's property. >> It's an FAA thing and I when the mayor's wife did it, they had to get the same permission. >> Okay. >> So, I was just trying to get the >> I don't think uh Lisa did it last time. >> Uh the guy she sent over said that they did. That was their copter guy. >> Oh, >> okay. So, I'll have with Zach on that. Sorry. Dayton Heritage Day is September 20th, uh 10:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. So, this is in Oldtown. Um, and I believe I don't have this in front of me, but I believe uh Magnus is also sponsoring an event on the same day. I got a headnot. So, that's in conjunction with Dayton Heritage Day. Uh, two generations, one dance. So, this is Friday, October 3rd at the activity center, 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. And then the Jacko'Lantern pumpkin trail, again, uh this is the second annual uh pumpkin trail that we've had at LC Stevens will be on Wednesday, October 29th. So, if you buy one pumpkin from Dean's Pumpkins, you get the second one at half off. Uh, so I would encourage anyone who would like to carve a pumpkin, donate it to the city, and it'll be put on the this pumpkin trail on LC Stevens October 29th. >> Quick question. >> Yeah. >> Did John Weber chime in on the motion to pass the IG property? >> Did we hear from him? >> Okay. >> Yes. And otherwise, the next EDA meeting will be Tuesday, October 21st. That covers our seven EDA member updates. >> All good with that. >> Anything else? >> No, I'm >> okay. This is your opportunity for updates from the EDA members. >> Got it. >> Yeah. Open to our guys. >> Yes. What do we need? Anybody anything? >> Scott, >> I got nothing. >> John, are you there? >> Yes, I am. I've got uh no updates. >> You said nothing. >> Great. >> Nothing. >> Nothing. Okay. Nothing for me. >> Anybody want to find out when he's moving that house and want to watch the house movement? Is that Is that a thing? >> That'd be kind of a neat idea. >> Yeah, I'd I'd like to see this. I got a front row seat. So, I bet you do. If you guys want to sit there, you can have a back. >> Yeah. Whatever you want to do. >> We We did have a house that moved through the through Dayton and the village about a week and a half ago. >> That was one off of French Lake Road. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I seen that one. He He brought it up. He said he was driving by it. >> Pretty interesting. But this is way taller. >> Take a lot. I took pictures of that. >> I know you did. And do we need to discuss anything for that for us if we want to use this for future reference about moving houses? You had pictures? >> Um, I mean, I don't think so. It's quite I mean, if if if the company would allow us to be on site when they're doing this. I think it would be it'd be interesting to see the the process and how they do it. >> When does the permit when does you want to move it? before October 23rd. >> Something we could be attached to >> the end of September. >> Well, he has to move it by October 24th. >> He wants to move it end of September, beginning of October. So, he has about a what, a little over a month and a half. Um, but he's hoping to do it in less than a month. >> What has to go out from either himself or the city to notify people about I'm assuming they're going to have to take some power lines down. People are going to be without power, nothing. >> They'll raise them up. >> They'll raise them up. And there's no like road closure, anything like that. >> Um, no. I mean, the police, you know, if the assuming the house takes up both lanes, the police will shut down oncoming traffic or hold it up until the house passes. >> Yeah. >> I mean, similar to any other wide load vehicle that's taking up both lanes. So, who's the notifier when this happens? Who gets notified? >> Everybody's going to be >> That's all I was asking. Is there any notification that needs to go out to anybody? I don't, you know, if there isn't, that's fine. >> You have the wine ready if you come over. >> Yeah, I'll have EDA chair, members of the EDA, we did not get notified about the one that went through our city from Champlain. Oh, >> we got found out about it from through park district that they were moving on a certain date. So, I don't know any official notification that goes out besides with the county and the county didn't notify us at all that that house was going through. We had heard third party that we got notified that they was going through that through town. Um so, when you ask who and when, we'll we'll know because um likely Eric's going to talk to us and say, "Hey, I'm moving out of this state." So, we'll try to get everyone aware of it and send out an email or whatever. But as far as I know, the only official notification that comes from is Henipin County cuz it's their roadway that they're going to use. But other than that, there's no notification to the city. >> Wow. >> Um, so yeah, we we didn't get notified about the one that would just happened a week and ago knew about it was because Park District said that they were moving the property based on our conversations with this one. >> So again, I don't know how that works and why that doesn't get notified through us because I think it would be known. That one took up both lanes of traffic down the entire way and they had to get it out of here by I can't remember what time it was. 2:00 in the morning or something. They went through around midnight, but I mean there's certain times that they can go through the county lines. >> Oh, they do it at night. >> It was in the middle of the night. Yeah, it was at midnight um for the last one. So, >> Mhm. >> but >> Well, okay. So, if anybody hears you guys are going to be up pretty late >> I'm not coming at midnight. It >> Yeah, it'll be when they do this move. It'll be We're talking 11:00 midnight. I mean, they'll be doing the work maybe on the property before that to get everything ready to go, but actually physically moving down the road won't happen until >> there'll be signs. >> Yeah, there'll be signs and stuff, but like they'll have to raise all the power lines up so no one's going to go without power, but they'll have they have like these trucks that hold the power lines up way up in the air and then, you know, kind of like bracing or whatever, but >> I mean, I know on the Champlain one, >> they had it set up, it was like rigged up the tuck, it was parked in the driveway, >> so it was ready to go. So you you know >> Yeah. It was a way smaller house, man. Yeah. >> So that came all the way down River Road from >> Yeah. It went out to >> Was it Payneesville? >> Paynesville. >> To where? >> Paynesville. >> Oh, >> I bet that got us five bucks, huh? >> Yeah. >> There you go. >> Can we get a notification or email or whatever once the sale is final? >> Sure. You bet. >> Uh you have at the police department. I did a meeting with Marty the other day and they have these pamphlets that give you first notice like a Hoffman thing. If something happens, it's a text to service that gives you uh there's an active shooter, there's a flood, there's a whatever. Now, I did sign up for that and as commission members, I I would say at least look into it for your own personal safety that we uh engage that. >> Is it called Hyperactive? >> I believe that's what it is. >> Okay. >> Is that the one the state sponsors? >> Yes. should be on that one. >> Hyperactive, it's our emergency response program that we've initiated. Essentially gives a um area where you can either contact them if something's going on or you have um a geoence area. So say there's a some sort of standoff happening or something like that. Anybody in that area will be notified if you're a part of the hyperactive network. It's on our website. It's in the top left. It kind of rolls with your with scrolling if you're on our website to sign up for it. The reason why it's rolling is we're trying to get people signed up for it as best we can. It's a way for us to communicate with you as a resident if you're watching this now or later or whatever. >> So that's residents only. >> Nope, it's businesses, residents, no matter what. It's anybody, but it's >> What is a state funded one where it's elected officials and appointed officials? What is that? >> Oh, that one might be a different one than hyperactive. That might be something different. >> Will they use the same database to to transmit? >> I don't know that answer. So, I'm going to have to say I'll get back to you on that one because I don't know that answer. >> Well, it's better than nothing. Read about it on the news. So, >> yep. I will I will get back to the ed. >> Okay. And uh there's some property in Oldtown. It's uh take a right. Go in town. Take a right. It's on the on the right hand side. We talked about we were there one day. Has that been uh purchased from Henipin County? Is that ours or what? What about those? And we should start exploring houses and properties in the city so that EDA can be more of an effective tool. >> Yeah. what you're referring to EDHA chair is that you're referring to the tax forger parcel that's down in the historic village area. We have not submitted or started paperwork on that one at all yet um at least from direction from the city. So right now it is control in control of the city because it's under the city of Dayton. So, if that's a request that the EDA would like to make to the city council to move that off of the tax forward roles and put that back onto the tax role, then that would be something that the EDA would have to make a motion on to have direction to go to city council on from staff level and we can bring it to council and then council can make that direction. Whether that direction is move it back to the EDA or at least have it off the tax roles for the council to control >> is the decision of the council. that that was the property that he was originally we originally talked about moving the house. >> It is. Yes. >> So, so there's like what four or five properties in town that the city owns, right? >> Tax for parcels. >> Yeah. >> Three or four. Not tax forfe. >> Well, we have three. One of which is in a swamp. So, I don't know if we're going to do anything with that one. I mean, we can try to sell it, but it's not going to be worth a hill of beans. Um, one is the one down on the on the interchange, which we've already kind of initiated processes on. that's being moved forward. The last conversation that I had with that one, just an update, is that the state needed a reconveyance form that we had sent them already. So, I don't know how it got lost in paperwork or translation, something about a deed or a title deed. I don't know all the terms and legal stuff, but >> two on Robinson like one >> there's only one on Robinson Street. >> So, so we're looking >> the the one that you just talked about the where they're going to move the house. >> Yes, that one is tax director partial. There are two parcels that are owned by the city of Dayton. One um one's on the corner there >> and then one's a little further down on the south side Robinson Street. Those are not tax. Those are just city own. >> Yeah, >> those are just city own. Those are not tax for sorry if I city owned. So the I guess my question was should we think about IGA? I mean, well, I don't know. Maybe we don't want to, but marketing any of the properties that we the city might own in the town. >> Residential, >> huh? >> They don't do residential. >> Well, these aren't I mean, Robinson Street's not residential. >> I don't know if there's a bigger purpose for the two on the for the two on Robin Street. I don't know if those were acquired from parks, from park dedication dollars, or if those were just purchased by the city outright a number of years ago. don't know the history of those parcels. If it was done by park, we can't do anything about it. We have to keep it as park. We've had this conversation with the council level of Leathers Park that we'd like to >> because I also wonder kind of what's going to happen with the house that had the fire. >> Um yeah, I don't know what's going to happen with that either. I'm sure >> demo. No doubt. >> Yeah. Well, it'll be demoed, >> but I think that's a bigger conversation perspective or >> sure a lot of fires downtown, don't they? >> There's just one. So I think uh do you guys want to talk about trying to tell ask council to >> get us into those forfeited property or we going to move forward on that and transfer the other one to the EDA's name so we can start moving and marketing that one? What are your thoughts? At staff level, I would at staff level, I would suggest doing one at a time if you're going to ask for one just so that it's clear on what staff's looking to do for each parcel because okay, there's tax form and Robinson Street and there's two other ones that are on the main street. >> Let's look at the tax forfeature so that we can we can apply and negotiate our purchase price. >> So, we should be active on that one now. >> How about that one? >> I agree. >> Mhm. >> That would be a residential lot though. Okay. You agree? >> Uh, sure. Motion to uh direct staff to do that. Do I get a motion? >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed. >> John, what say you? >> I copy that. >> Okay, we'll move forward on that one. Anything else before we bounce? >> Motion to adjurnn. >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? All >> thanks everybody. We are adjourned.